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Hey everybody, and welcome

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back to another

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pod. This is

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pod number 145. inbox

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zero is dumb. And

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the episode's over. You

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already know the... There

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we go. Yeah, last week

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we were talking about

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my new inbox zero

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course, which is five

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seconds long. Yep. Inbox

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zero is dumb. I think

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it's just like an over simplified goal.

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Like I get, yeah, just get rid

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of the email, whatever. No, there's like

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a philosophy behind it that we should always

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be at zero in our email. I just

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don't use email that way. So yeah, I

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think it's like I personally don't understand that

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idea at all because it's just not how

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I use or work with email. Like I

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don't think it's dumb for everybody.

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Yeah, I'm sure for, especially if

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you have like an administrative role

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where like responding to emails. is

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a huge, huge, important part of

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your role. 100% get to inbox

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zero. Like that, this, these, what we're

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gonna talk about here doesn't apply.

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inbox zero is really important if

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email is like the primary function

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of your job or one of

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them. If you're, if you're some

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high-powered executive assistant, you know, people

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love, might love the fact that

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you promptly get back to them

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and that you're on top of

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everything in. Or maybe you have a

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job where you have clients who are.

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Oddly demanding and want responses

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right away. Like speaking actually

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is an industry where this

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is the case. Where speaking

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agency that I work with,

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they'll say like clients really

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want you to get back

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right away and be super

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responsive. So if you've ever...

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Hired me for a talk and

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you're listening to this hello You probably

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noticed that the agency got back to

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you like within five minutes because that's

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how that that's kind of the cadence

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of that industry. But with knowledge work,

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I don't know if email should rise to

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that level of importance and prioritization. Yeah,

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so I think there are a couple

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of things here. There are different kinds

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of emails, right? So I think you've

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highlighted, like there are some emails that

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are more important. And I know an

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example for me is like, I actually.

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get all my students to like note their emails

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differently so that I like they'd subject line

2:25

them so I I can get student emails

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responded really quickly. Oh do you have filters? Is

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that up for? Yeah so I always set a filters

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for my for my so I make sure I answer

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your student emails like ASAP because I don't want any

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student to be waiting on me to be like I

2:38

don't understand this part of the assignment like that is

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hard for a student to like if they really are

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at a barrier with an assignment like I want them

2:45

to have an answer really quick. So I try to

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have like student inbox zero. That is like a goal

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I always try to have when I'm teaching because I

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think it's really important to get back to students quickly.

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But there are a lot of other emails. You're

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kind of the holdup in their process. I

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don't want to be the holdup for their learning.

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So I treat student inboxes as zero. But there

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are a lot of emails where I get that

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are like, oh, we just wanted to let you

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know, we need a letter for you to fill

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out. for this grant that we're submitting in three

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months. And like, those are things that I actually,

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the way I treat email is I keep them

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there until I've dealt with it. So until I've

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either dedicated time in my calendar, or I have

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responded to them, or usually both of those things.

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So I say like, oh, thanks, I got your

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email. I've said it's I time in whatever date

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to do this, and I'll have it back to you by

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then. And then so by the time, until I

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deal with those emails, I deal with those emails,

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I don't. archive them or move them or like

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get rid of them or file them in whatever

3:37

way people do. So I think I treat email

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as like oh this is the outgo like

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the outstanding things that I need to take

3:43

care of and some of those things aren't

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urgent right like if somebody's asking me for

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a letter for a grant proposal that's due

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in three or four months like yeah that

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is obviously not urgent and so I'm not

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gonna like stop my day and say oh

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I gotta take care of this email right

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away if I'm like in the middle of

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writing a new abstract or whatever for

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my paper. So I think there are different

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kinds of emails and they need to be

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treated differently. So that's in my life like

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inbox zero makes no sense because there are

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so many emails I get that are zero

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urgent right like if I get an email

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from ethics saying you need to update your

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ethics thing by the next three weeks that's

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something I need to eventually deal with but

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it's not something I need to get to

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inbox zero right away. And some things take

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a lot of time, right? If I have

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somebody asking me for comments on like a

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co-author asking me for comments on a

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paper, that's going to take me a

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lot of time. And so I might

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sit on that for a day

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or two. Yeah, well, episode number

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46, we covered all or something

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thinking. Yeah. And where you, it

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was kind of like an extended,

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we haven't done an econ corner

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in a while. We haven't done

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an econ corner. one of your

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classic segments. I'll think about it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. All there's something

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thinking where, you know, it was

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kind of you, you know, not making

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the case, but it was, we

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were talking about black and white

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thinking, and how things are rarely

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as black and white as they

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seem. And inbox zero. is one

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of those things where if you

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have maybe one function in your

5:18

role like the emails that we

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receive they all correspond to the

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different functions of the roles that

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we have you know so looking

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at my own work there's the

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speaking role there's the you know

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research role where I'm communicating

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with researchers there's the books

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that I'm writing that role

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as the author. There's also

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personal roles that we have.

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We have roles as homeowners

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in our joint email box.

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We have roles as family

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members and friends that our

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friends don't really send us

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email really all that much

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unless it's like a wedding

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invite or something. Something of

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fish. like that. It's such an official

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thing to send a friend. Although I do

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have a lot of one of my closest

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friends and I we have like a calendar

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we send each other calendar and bites for

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all of our hangouts. Oh no. Well how do

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you function if things aren't in your

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calendar? I just don't talk

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to my friends that way.

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My friends, like, don't really

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care about productivity. Like, like,

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I have, I have the,

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the, like, work friends who

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really do. And I guess

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I do have, like, other

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friends that do, like, David

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really cares about productivity. But

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like, um. Andrew and Luke.

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We're not sending movies. We're

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not. We're not sending calendar invites

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for the hockey pool, for

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example. Maybe my friends are

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just cooler and we send each

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other calendar invites for dinner on

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Friday night. I don't know. That's

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cool. I think it's pretty cool.

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Or concerning, but yeah, the different

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functions that we have, like speaking

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versus books versus, you know, consulting,

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which I don't really do much

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of anymore unless it's an exciting

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thing. The speaking, I have to

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be responsive for. And so whenever

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I do an email sprint, which

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is my favorite way of answering

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email, you just set a timer,

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then you... plow through as many

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emails as you can until the

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next sprint, I'll prioritize those above

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all the others because

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they need responsiveness. The

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publishing industry though, the

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traditional book publishing industry,

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they operate on more of a

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glacial timescale in measured in not

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eons, but you know, longer stretches

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of time. Yeah, so the book

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industry, the researchers, the researchers, you

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know. messaging a researcher, it's kind

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of like sending a pigeon, like

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giving a little note to a

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pigeon and say, here you go

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to the University of California at

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Irvine. Please bring me back another

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note and I hope they're not

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on sabbatical. now. You know, the

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consulting is kind of up there

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with speaking where they need kind

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of a, you know, more of

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a responsive time within 24 hours

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kind of thing usually. But inbox

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zero all the time is, you

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know, there are some emails depending

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on the timeline of that function

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of my role that I'll just

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want to sit on for a

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day and really just think about

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and Put out a thoughtful response

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instead of the one that just

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impulsively comes to mind. I don't

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personally do this, but it does

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work for some people. It's one

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of those things where, you know,

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take what works, leave the rest,

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but some people, not me, but

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some people, love using their email

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inbox as a to-do list. And

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sometimes the functions that you have.

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in your job are more responsive

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than proactive and in that case

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that that can work pretty well

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for you. But it's such black

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and white thinking to always

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try to get to an

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inbox zero and it just

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doesn't map on top of

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the functions of the rules

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that most people have in

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their work and their life.

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Yeah, so I actually am one

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of those people who kind of

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uses their inbox as a bit

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of a tool. Oh, you are?

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Yeah, especially for things that aren't,

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well, yeah, that are not student

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emails, obviously, and aren't also

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those like things that need

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a lot of thinking, like if, like, yeah,

9:38

that aren't on student emails, obviously, and

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aren't also those like things that need

9:42

a lot of thinking, so it's like,

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like, So once I had decided on

9:46

that, I just responded to them and

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said, I'll get to, I'll do this.

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So I sat on it for like

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a day to be like, when am

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I going to do this? And then

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I did, I think it's important, we're

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not saying don't. to respond to people. Like

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I think it's actually bad practice to like

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leave people waiting for weeks for a response.

10:05

They don't need action on that response necessarily

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if it's not urgent. So like, this is

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a good example of that where I said,

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thanks, I'll get this to you next week.

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And so I think it's important, we're not

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saying here, don't answer people because I actually

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think that is really rude if you leave

10:20

people waiting for weeks. We live in a world

10:22

where email is a thing. It doesn't mean

10:24

you need to give them a detailed response,

10:26

but acknowledge that you saw it. And

10:28

we live in a world where expectations

10:30

are a thing. Yeah. And that's kind

10:32

of an interesting interplay with email there

10:34

too, where the different functions you might

10:36

have may have different expectations associated with

10:38

them. Yeah, so but getting back to

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this to do this thing, like that would

10:43

have been an example of word. I left

10:45

it in my inbox until I decided how

10:47

I was going to deal with it. And

10:50

I still did get back to them within

10:52

like 24 hours, but then I and then

10:54

I archived it once I set aside time

10:56

in my calendar because that's the action, right?

10:58

Like it's it's either you write the letter

11:01

right away or you set aside time when

11:03

you have more time to dedicate to that.

11:05

And so that once I had put that

11:07

in my calendar, again, coming back to the

11:09

fact that like I live by my

11:11

calendar, I knew it was there so I

11:14

had it like in a system where I

11:16

could trust. to do this, especially for administrative

11:18

things. Like if I need to, if I

11:20

submit an expense and it gets returned to

11:22

me because I need more details, like, I'm not

11:24

gonna put that in my calendar, I'm just

11:26

gonna leave it there until I deal with it,

11:29

right? Like nobody is really waiting for me to

11:31

get back to this response thing. And same with

11:33

like if ethics is asking for more detail on

11:35

something, and I need to get to it pretty

11:37

quickly, but I don't, it'll take me like. 10

11:39

minutes once I deal with, deal with it, I

11:41

just leave that in my inbox. So for like

11:43

little things that will take me more than a

11:46

minute to respond to, but I want to make

11:48

sure I don't forget it and isn't urgent, I

11:50

do leave it in my inbox. But I think there's

11:52

a very specific like class of things that

11:54

I will leave in my inbox and it's

11:56

stuff that no one's waiting on a response

11:58

for that isn't going to... to take one

12:00

minute so I can't deal with it right

12:02

away and isn't gonna take more than like, isn't

12:05

gonna take more than 10 minutes so I

12:07

don't wanna like dedicate time in my

12:09

calendar. And so I actually have like an

12:12

hour every week dedicated to like clearing

12:14

up those kinds of things. Oh nice. Because I know

12:16

that In like an admin cabinet. Yeah, it's

12:18

like a one hour thing at the end of

12:20

usually Fridays because those are like the time

12:22

when it's like there's usually no one else around

12:24

so I won't get distracted. I can just

12:26

spend an hour dealing with those like five

12:28

minute tasks. Like the thing that takes five minutes

12:31

to do which is too long to do

12:33

it when you're like just checking email very quickly

12:35

but too short to really set aside time

12:37

for so I do that once a week. And

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so those to -do lists I

12:41

actually think are really useful. So

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I do use my inbox as a

12:46

bit of a to -do list but only for a

12:48

specific type of task. Yeah, so

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there's like all kinds

12:52

of different classes of emails

12:54

that should stay in your

12:56

inbox. The ones you're incubating,

12:58

the ones you want to

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do but aren't necessarily urgent,

13:02

the less urgent messages, the

13:05

ones nobody's waiting on you

13:07

for. One also that I

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added here. So I use

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something called SainBox with email

13:13

which what it does is

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it's a paid kind of

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service but I love it.

13:20

I've been using it for

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years and years and years.

13:24

What it does is it's algorithms

13:26

learn what's important in your

13:28

inbox and it creates a folder

13:30

called Sain Later and what

13:32

it does if something is less

13:34

of a priority, less important,

13:37

it'll just put in your Sain

13:39

Later folder. So all the

13:41

newsletters, all the receipts, like just

13:43

everything that you don't want

13:45

cluttering up the more important things

13:47

and you can drag things

13:50

in and out of the folder

13:52

to train it over time.

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And another feature that it adds and

13:56

a lot of clients also have this

13:58

feature is snoozing a message. And so

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there are the things that I'm not

14:02

incubating, that are more of a to-do,

14:05

that I just don't want to do

14:07

today because it's not that urgent. And

14:09

so I'll snooze it until later day.

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Technically, you could just snooze all

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your email and get to inbox

14:16

zero. and be at inbox zero

14:18

all the time. But it's, it's,

14:20

so if you open up my

14:22

email client, it looks like I

14:24

have no email, but then these

14:26

messages are scheduled to kind of

14:28

roll back into my inbox at

14:31

the times when I've designated a

14:33

sprint, when I'm gonna just plow

14:35

through a bunch of them at

14:37

one time, because I don't wanna,

14:39

you know, do them piecemeal. I

14:41

wanna, you know, control that. amount

14:43

and chunk of work so that

14:45

I'm blowing through a lot of

14:47

less urgent less important stuff at

14:49

once. So this news, it looks

14:52

like I'm at inbox zero, but

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I am far from it. People,

14:56

I am far from it. And

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this is the problem with inbox

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zero. You can't stay there. Yeah, email

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is like rain. You can funnel

15:05

rain, you can have filtering systems

15:07

and folder systems, you can have

15:09

all this, you can snooze everything,

15:12

you can sane later it, but

15:14

more rain is gonna fall, more

15:16

email is gonna arrive, and worse

15:19

yet, you get to an empty

15:21

inbox by responding to messages,

15:23

which just creates more messages.

15:25

Yeah, okay, I'm getting work

15:27

you talk now. Yeah, you're

15:29

moving like you wish people

15:31

could see because this is

15:34

like really which it always

15:36

happens when you're animated.

15:38

We'll do video in like, we will. Yes,

15:40

yes, everybody's watching it. Okay, but all that

15:42

so I think the Yeah, this was a,

15:45

this actually happened exactly to me. So I

15:47

thought right before the holidays, I had a,

15:49

I got a concussion, right? So I was,

15:51

it was, it was very well timed because

15:54

I was going to be taking a week

15:56

off when we were visiting family anyway. And

15:58

so I thought, well, the day. before I

16:00

was originally supposed to take off anyway

16:02

I had it was like hard for

16:04

me to really focus on stuff so

16:06

I thought I'll just get through all

16:08

of my email like just finally get

16:10

to inbox zero before the holidays and

16:12

before the new semester so I've kind

16:14

of like cleared out everything that's waiting

16:16

yeah I got to inbox I sent

16:18

you a screenshot kind of just like

16:20

as a joke thinking oh that's nice

16:22

and outlook which I very seldom see

16:24

gives you a nice little picture of

16:26

a balloon when you when you clear

16:28

your inbox so it's very it's very

16:31

rewarding yeah but it within like

16:33

five seconds of sending you that

16:35

email I had two more emails

16:37

and I'm like what was the point

16:39

I got back to people and I yeah

16:42

of course they email me back so you

16:44

can't stay there yeah so it feels

16:46

like a the wrong goal because

16:48

there are just too many different

16:50

kinds of emails right yeah like

16:52

Inbox zero, 100% useful for some

16:54

kinds of emails in some kinds

16:56

of roles. But then at the

16:58

same time, there are also other

17:01

emails that are not urgent and

17:03

responding to them right away is so

17:05

distracting, right? That comes back to

17:07

weighing the pros and cons of

17:09

doing anything. If I'm in the

17:11

middle of writing and focusing really

17:13

deeply on writing. Taking those five

17:15

minutes to like respond to a non-urgent

17:18

email about like some expense detail You

17:20

climb down the ladder of what's important

17:22

you get distracted you completely derail

17:24

your focus and your productivity

17:26

at that moment and like

17:29

that just isn't worth the cost at that

17:31

particular moment So if a hundred percent I

17:33

like to try to do like email sprints

17:35

for those things that are that are urgent

17:38

like student emails I do that like throughout

17:40

the day, but I usually leave those other

17:42

items to like that later Friday block

17:44

where I just kind of bang out

17:47

all the things that would take about

17:49

five minutes, right? And doesn't require a

17:51

whole separate calendar thing to attend to.

17:53

So I think inbox zero is the

17:55

wrong goal, but it's and it's

17:57

also just like unobtainable. It's ridiculous.

18:00

You're you're never gonna achieve that and then be

18:02

done. It's not like you run a half

18:04

marathon and then yeah, you're done And it's complete.

18:06

No, yeah, like you run a half marathon.

18:08

It's complete if you get in bug zero It's

18:10

like a one -minute thing. Yeah, you'll never

18:12

complete There will never be a point

18:14

where it's like. Oh Okay,

18:16

I'm finally done with email. Maybe

18:18

when you retire. I don't know.

18:21

No No, because then if

18:23

you have friends that send

18:25

you calendar invites here. You're

18:27

gonna get all those like

18:29

our most important work Usually

18:32

doesn't happen inside of our

18:34

email inbox. Yeah, that's true Right,

18:36

it happens some people I do want to make sure

18:38

there are lots of people who really do like

18:41

emails a huge central part of their job

18:43

there there are the caveats

18:45

and and It also, you know

18:47

in addition to the functions

18:49

of the rules that we've got

18:51

there's also that Fundamental tension

18:54

with the work that we

18:56

do where we all do work

18:58

that is focused and we

19:00

all do work that is

19:02

collaborative and email is a byproduct

19:04

of work that is Collaborative

19:06

and so if you have

19:08

collaborative work that email is

19:10

an essential component of The workflows

19:12

that you have with other

19:15

people It's it's

19:17

just an important thing for

19:19

you, right? And this is

19:21

I think you know Focus

19:23

is great, but sometimes we can

19:25

prioritize it too highly You

19:28

know if you have a role

19:30

where your job is mostly

19:32

collaborative and the that's not to

19:34

say it's a you know

19:36

Let's say it's a high -level

19:38

collaborative role. I'm thinking like maybe

19:40

super collaborative role Say a

19:43

NASA engineer launching a shuttle into

19:45

space You don't see people

19:47

in that room, you know, and

19:49

they show the room They

19:51

don't have noise -canceling headphones on there.

19:53

They're not saying oh, I'm

19:55

in a deep work Right now

19:58

everybody didn't you see it? It

20:00

was time blocked on my calendar.

20:02

Can't we do this another time?

20:05

Can we circle back? Nobody's saying

20:07

that. So really account for

20:09

that ratio as well between

20:11

focused work and collaborative work

20:13

in your email workflows. Maybe

20:16

if your work is super,

20:18

super collaborative email should rise

20:20

up the levels of importance.

20:22

But with the work that

20:24

we do, focused work usually

20:26

should take priority, but not. Always, so there

20:29

is that to keep in mind too. Yeah,

20:31

and that's going to look different for

20:33

everybody, but yeah, in general, weigh the pros

20:35

and cons, like anything, weigh the costs and

20:37

benefits. Yeah, on one end

20:40

there's like the novelist in

20:42

the woods whose job is

20:44

100% focused and no collaboration

20:47

at all. And then there's

20:49

the NASA engineer or there's

20:51

the the high level admin

20:54

assistant whose work is completely

20:56

collaborative and responsive. So somewhere

20:58

on that spectrum is you.

21:01

And so mind where you're

21:03

asked. Yeah. But inbox here

21:05

is dumb overall. You can't

21:07

change my mind. Ignore all the

21:10

nuance we just talked about. And

21:12

email me if you want, but honestly

21:14

you won't change my mind. Your

21:16

email is so annoying because every time

21:19

I email you, I get your stupid

21:21

bounce back. Being like, hey, I don't

21:23

really check this very often. So email

21:26

all these other people who do check

21:28

their email often. Honestly,

21:30

it now goes to junk. Like all of

21:32

your emails, by default, go to junk

21:34

for me because I end up just

21:37

having to delete all of the first

21:39

responses from you. I should say

21:41

that auto responder is written from

21:43

a position of privilege where I

21:46

can say, you know, here are

21:48

the people who are better at

21:50

responding to email than I am.

21:52

But there's no privilege involved in

21:55

thinking inbox zero is dumb for

21:57

pretty much everybody. Mostly

21:59

right. I don't want to speak in

22:01

absolutes because that's some black

22:04

and white thinking over that.

22:06

And if you have feedback, just

22:08

email Arden. Nope, don't do that.

22:10

Just look her up and email her. No,

22:12

don't do that. Yeah. Please don't.

22:14

Yeah, please. There's a reason my

22:17

email is not on. podcast. Again,

22:19

I'm not even really a co-host.

22:21

Chris at Chris Bailey.com. We should

22:23

do another Q&A episode at some

22:25

point. If you have Q's that

22:28

you want us to A, just

22:30

email me. Chris at Chris Bailey.com

22:32

and we'll roll those up. Maybe

22:34

we should do like a mailbag

22:36

thing. I don't know. I don't know

22:38

what to call it. But sometimes

22:41

like a mailbag segment or

22:43

something. Are you going to

22:45

plan an Econ corner? Maybe

22:47

I'll mull it over. Okay, next

22:49

episode 146. I'll think about

22:52

it. Yeah, we'll see. Okay. We've

22:54

covered a lot of the good ones,

22:56

so I don't know what else.

22:58

We've covered like three. We'll

23:00

see. Yeah, Econ talk with Arden.

23:03

We'll see, maybe. Okay. That's

23:05

another episode of the

23:07

podcast. Mm-hmm. Around our

23:09

dining room table. No

23:11

video. Nope. At this point. What's

23:14

that expression? I have

23:16

no interest in doing video. Why

23:18

not? People would watch it. Not

23:20

the people listening to this.

23:22

That's what the survey says.

23:25

Yep. But those are self-selecting

23:27

into audio. I fully aware of

23:29

that bias. Those responses. I

23:31

am all aware of response bias and

23:34

you're completely ignoring

23:36

it confirmed what I already wanted

23:38

to do interesting I think they

23:40

call that I don't know what

23:42

it's a confirmation bias yeah 100% and

23:44

I'm fully aware of that I just

23:47

don't you just don't care I just

23:49

think the audience that I am talking

23:51

to you right now is the the one I

23:53

want to talk to you oh yeah I

23:56

like I like everybody that list you I

23:58

will say the people that email us and

24:00

that might include you after this

24:02

episode maybe a fiery response every

24:05

every response has been kind yeah

24:07

we do get a lot of

24:09

nice emails and well written

24:11

yeah yeah it is like occasionally

24:13

I somebody does look me up

24:16

and does email me directly yeah it's

24:18

happened a couple times but I

24:20

think mostly they go to you

24:22

because it's like the default for

24:25

the page yeah If you do

24:27

enough hunting, you can find my

24:29

email on the interweb. But yeah,

24:31

so occasionally I get emails. They're

24:33

always very kind. They're always

24:35

very nice. So thanks folks

24:37

for being friendly. And much respect

24:40

to you all back. Thank you

24:42

for listening. Share the pod with

24:44

a friend. We never say this.

24:46

We should say this. If you like it,

24:48

share it. If you like it, share it.

24:50

If you like it, write a

24:52

review. You don't have to. We're

24:55

just happier here. No ads. Where

24:57

are no ad streak is extended

24:59

145 episodes? Pretty good. Yeah, I'm

25:01

happy about that. Yeah, me too.

25:03

Yeah, ads are annoying. I mean,

25:05

I get why they exist though,

25:07

and it's a, I like that they

25:10

support work that I like. Yeah.

25:12

But yeah, it's a, they're unfortunate

25:14

reality. Yeah, this podcast

25:17

costs me money to do. But

25:19

you get to hang out with me.

25:21

Yeah, I get to pay to

25:24

hang out with you. in

25:26

our scheduled speaking time. Oh

25:28

my goodness. Yeah, love it.

25:30

That's another episode. Time and

25:32

attention for you. Episode number

25:34

145, inbox zero is dumb.

25:36

Next episode 146, what a

25:38

beautiful number. It sounds like

25:40

a number that is well

25:42

suited for Econ Corner, but

25:44

we will see about that.

25:46

We hope you have a

25:48

wonderful week and hope you

25:50

have enjoyed sitting with us, pulling

25:52

up a seat. around our dining

25:54

room table here that you can't

25:56

see on video but maybe at

25:58

some point well down the line,

26:01

line if her way, or her way

26:03

or I have mine, I have mine

26:05

be video, because that's the

26:07

way of the future. That's

26:10

the way of the

26:12

future. Maybe yours. future that's our

26:14

future. the I think of

26:16

it more as our

26:18

future, since we're married. more

26:20

Have a wonderful week. We

26:22

will see you since a

26:24

couple of Tuesdays. Bye. we

26:27

will see you in a couple of Tuesdays