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people talking again and one

2:16

of the shows they're talking

2:18

about is the pit. And if we're

2:20

going to talk about the pit, we

2:22

got to talk about ER.

2:25

I'm Joe Sachs. I am

2:27

an executive producer, writer, and

2:29

also a real-world emergency physician.

2:31

I came in halfway through

2:33

the first season of ER.

2:35

and stayed for 14 and

2:37

a half years. For people

2:40

in our audience who, you

2:42

know, maybe weren't even

2:44

alive in 1994, can

2:46

you just help people

2:48

understand how big a

2:50

deal ER was? And why? Yeah,

2:53

you know, back in the day, there

2:55

was no streaming. There was

2:57

no YouTube. Basically,

3:01

there were four television

3:03

networks. There was NBC,

3:06

CBS, ABC, and Fox.

3:08

So, after I came

3:10

on the show, there

3:12

was a milestone. One

3:14

man's defining moment.

3:17

Over 48 million

3:19

people experienced it.

3:21

The show got a 50

3:24

share. That means that 50%

3:26

of all televisions in America

3:28

that were on. were watching

3:30

ER. So, you know, right

3:32

now a big hit show

3:34

gets two or three percent

3:36

of the American public is

3:38

watching you. And it was

3:40

really the classic water cooler

3:42

show. And what's fascinating about

3:45

the pit is that I've

3:47

heard so many stories and

3:49

so many online postings from

3:51

people who say that

3:53

on Friday morning, everybody's

3:55

talking about the pit in the

3:57

office. Joe

4:00

had half the TV watching country

4:02

eating out the palm of his

4:04

hand in the 90s, a feat

4:07

that's basically impossible to pull off

4:09

now unless you're the Super Bowl.

4:11

So we asked him why he

4:13

wanted to return to the

4:16

medical drama with the pit. Well,

4:18

after ER, I didn't have a strong

4:20

desire to work on a medical show,

4:22

and in fact, I worked for 10

4:24

years on a crime show. When

4:28

John Wells, no while in Scott

4:30

Gammel, first called me in to

4:32

pitch the show, they said, well,

4:34

what's changed? What's different? And my

4:36

answer was everything. And I said,

4:38

after COVID, you wouldn't recognize the

4:40

place. There's this thing called the

4:42

boarding crisis. Most of the beds

4:44

in all the hallway spaces are

4:46

taken up by patients who can't

4:49

go upstairs to be admitted because

4:51

they don't have the nursing staff,

4:53

they don't have the beds. The

4:55

waiting room is filled to the

4:57

brim and you have to try

4:59

to practice medicine from the

5:01

waiting room so people are angry,

5:03

people are frustrated, weights are

5:05

long and these doctors and nurses

5:08

who are trying to deliver quality

5:10

compassionate care have the deck

5:12

is just stacked against them. So

5:15

I said to them, you

5:17

want to make it real? This

5:19

is how it's real. And they

5:21

embrace that. That number one,

5:23

there's a crisis in emergency medicine,

5:26

and we're going to show

5:28

that. Warts and all.

5:30

And number two, post-covid,

5:33

there's tremendous post-traumatic

5:36

stress on emergency workers

5:38

who worked during the

5:40

pandemic. Therefore, there was

5:43

any effective treatments and

5:45

who just watched hundreds

5:48

and hundreds of people

5:50

die. And in order to

5:52

tell this story of what

5:54

it's like to be an

5:56

emergency medicine physician in 2025-ish,

5:59

you guys... to tell this show

6:01

in this continuous fashion where every

6:03

episode is picking up exactly where

6:06

the last episode left off depicting

6:08

the course of one long chaotic

6:10

gnarly shift at one hospital? Yes.

6:13

How can we make this show

6:15

different from anything you've seen before?

6:17

And that's to do a 12-hour

6:20

shift in 12 hours. where every

6:22

episode is an hour of the

6:25

same day. I wanted to ask

6:27

you about that. It's funny, you

6:29

know, I'm used to shows on

6:32

HBO being six episodes, eight episodes,

6:34

ten episodes. I just watch adolescence.

6:36

It's four episodes. This show is

6:39

15 hours, which it's HBO, it's

6:41

Max or whatever, but it feels

6:43

kind of like old school network

6:46

television where there's a lot of

6:48

episodes. Yeah, and the powers that

6:50

be at HBO Max. decided that

6:53

they wanted this show to be

6:55

unique from what people are used

6:58

to seeing, the seven or eight

7:00

hours. And 12 just wasn't enough.

7:02

So they wanted 15 to say,

7:05

wow, here's a streaming show that

7:07

can give you 50 in a

7:09

year. And one of the reasons

7:12

we can do 15 in a

7:14

year is because we're in the

7:16

same place, same set. We don't

7:19

go out on location. We don't

7:21

go home with people. to see

7:23

their personal lives. So we are

7:26

literally in this submarine for 15

7:28

hours. And that saves you a

7:31

lot of time and money with

7:33

location work and sets and costumes,

7:35

because everybody is wearing the same

7:38

thing for the whole, the whole

7:40

rug, except for Whitaker, of course,

7:42

who gets bodily fluids on his

7:45

scrubs every now and then. Oh,

7:47

throw something, man! Oh, I need

7:49

all the help here! Jesus! Noob!

7:52

Were you nervous that the amount

7:54

of stress in this... hospital in

7:57

this emergency room in this sort

7:59

of like tight 15 hour period

8:01

would overstress your audience out and

8:04

they might get scared off. Were

8:06

you at all nervous about that?

8:08

I honestly had no idea how

8:11

the public was going to respond

8:13

to our show. I just wanted

8:15

to do it as realistically and

8:18

as accurate as possible and that

8:20

was the bar that I sat

8:22

for the medicine but what a

8:25

delightful surprise. to see that people

8:27

responded in a way to seeing

8:30

what we worked so hard to

8:32

create. How do people respond? I

8:34

can say that people in medicine

8:37

are saying this is the first

8:39

medical show I've been able to

8:41

watch that feels real. And I

8:44

can also say that for many

8:46

emergency workers, they're saying... For years,

8:48

I've tried to explain to my

8:51

friends and my family what it's

8:53

like, and I've never been able

8:55

to put it into words. And

8:58

now I just say, watch an

9:00

episode of the pit and you'll

9:03

know what my work day is

9:05

like. And that's a big compliment.

9:07

And then there are the emergency

9:10

workers who see it and see

9:12

the flashbacks to COVID and say,

9:14

oh my God. I have been

9:17

dealing with such post-traumatic stress disorder

9:19

and I've been denying it and

9:21

I need to get help. Wow.

9:24

And that's a wonderful thing. The

9:26

show's also pretty gnarly at times.

9:28

I mean, if you're like, you

9:31

know, faint of heart, there's this

9:33

floating face moment early in the

9:36

show where I was just like,

9:38

I mean, the noises that come

9:40

out of me while I'm watching

9:43

the show are pretty hilarious. Yeah.

9:45

The skinless foot, I think in

9:47

the first episode, there's like a

9:50

needle in the needle in the

9:52

heart. Was there stuff that didn't

9:54

make it because it was too

9:57

narrowly or did you guys just

9:59

go for it? Not so far.

10:01

No. No. The first episode, the

10:04

de-gloved fractured dislocated foot. Train ran

10:06

over foot. Got caught between the

10:09

platform and the incoming train. Ma'am?

10:11

All right, ma'am, what's your name?

10:13

and faint. An artery is totally

10:16

transected. The smooth muscle and the

10:18

tunicommedia contracts with hemostasis. But if

10:20

it's a partial cut, get out

10:23

your umbrella. I'll stabilize the need

10:25

for the reduction. Dr. Langdon will

10:27

be distracting distally before moving immediately

10:30

to clear the tibia. Ready? degloved

10:32

fractured dislocated foot and I got

10:35

to have that on the show.

10:37

That came out of nowhere. That

10:39

came out of what can we

10:42

show that will just make the

10:44

audience feel the same way that

10:46

this young medical student feels. And

10:49

on other medical shows and on

10:51

ER, you know, we open chests

10:53

and we put in chest tubes

10:56

and we put tubes in every

10:58

orifice and this and that, but

11:00

the degloved fractured dislocated ankle was...

11:03

a case that I had actually

11:05

had as an emergency physician and

11:08

when I pitched it to the

11:10

room all the eyes lit up

11:12

and they all said that's it.

11:15

So what are you going to

11:17

show us that we haven't seen

11:19

before in season two? Stay tuned.

11:22

on the pit which had its

11:24

season finale last night on Max

11:26

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11:29

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11:31

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11:33

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15:17

talked about the pit with a

15:19

guy from the pit, but it

15:21

turns out the pit isn't the

15:23

only medical drama on the television

15:25

right now? No, there are hundreds,

15:27

thousands. You could be buried underneath

15:29

them. There are so many medical

15:31

shows right now. It's wild. What

15:33

are the big ones that we

15:35

maybe don't know of yet? Well,

15:37

so a lot of these live

15:39

on network television. And if you

15:41

have only ever been watching Netflix

15:43

or Max in the last couple

15:45

years, but you're like, I need

15:47

more doctors, where are all the

15:50

doctors? They're on network TV. They've

15:52

always been, they've never left. But

15:54

now there are all these other

15:56

options. There

15:58

is one called Watson non-CBS and

16:00

that one is your more detectivey

16:02

kind of medical drama not a

16:04

lot of blood not a lot

16:07

of guts a lot of people

16:09

staring at a board and being

16:11

like what if it's this genetic

16:13

mystery that's that's the vibe of

16:15

Watson there's a truly bonkers one

16:18

called Doc that's on Fox and

16:20

the premise of Doc roughly is

16:22

that the main character suffered a

16:24

traumatic brain injury and does not

16:26

remember the last eight years but

16:29

does still remember mostly how to

16:31

be a doctor. And so she's

16:33

just wandering around the hospital like

16:35

being a doctor even though she's

16:37

also you know not fully compost

16:40

mentis. But the other great thing

16:42

about doc is that it turns

16:44

out eight years ago she was

16:46

a jerk. And now, she's nice.

16:48

Oh, she's trying to understand everything

16:51

that happened to her in the

16:53

last eight years to turn her

16:55

into a journey. Wow. That shows

16:57

crazy. You're really selling me on

16:59

dot. Look, there's a lot of

17:02

options for people. If you prefer

17:04

your medical dramas to be not

17:06

in English, there's also Berlin ER

17:08

on Apple TV Plus that's quite

17:10

good. That's kind of the vibe

17:13

of Berlin ER. But if you're

17:15

like not that kind of not

17:17

in English, there are also several...

17:19

Korean new Korean medical shows on

17:21

Netflix too. So again, you're hurting

17:24

for choice, really. And you didn't

17:26

even mention the one I have

17:28

heard of, which is Dr. Odyssey?

17:30

Dr. Odyssey is the new Ryan

17:32

Murphy show on ABC, and in

17:35

that Joshua Jackson is a super

17:37

hot daddy doctor. And he wears...

17:39

pristine white uniforms and yet somehow

17:41

cares for people's blood and and

17:43

other liquids and and there's thresims

17:46

like that's kind of the vibe

17:48

of that show oh yeah that's

17:50

good that there's I haven't seen

17:52

one in in the pit yet

17:54

but I haven't finished it yet

17:57

so well fingers crossed Why

18:00

are there so many daddy, doctor,

18:02

doctor dramas, doc, Watson, etc? So

18:04

there are, I think, a couple

18:07

of reasons why we're suddenly seeing

18:09

all these medical dramas. One is

18:11

that TV just tends to go

18:13

through trends, right? And we have

18:15

been in this period where there

18:18

are tons and tons of... cop

18:20

dramas. There's been this huge proliferation

18:22

of the Dick Wolf style shows,

18:24

but the medical drama has always

18:26

also been a TV mainstay. But

18:29

the dial has just been turned

18:31

a little bit more toward cop

18:33

drama, I would say, in the

18:35

last decade or so. I do

18:37

also think that there is this

18:40

moment in Hollywood and sort of

18:42

politically where it's like, hmm, how

18:44

are we feeling about cop dramas

18:46

right now? They used to be

18:49

the great American pastime watching somebody

18:51

get murdered and then somebody else

18:53

be like, you did it. But

18:55

we are currently in this moment

18:57

where everyone is like, our cop

19:00

dramas, is this a partisan thing

19:02

now? How do I feel about

19:04

this? And network TV wants to

19:06

be a big bucket. It wants

19:08

to get everybody in. And the

19:11

medical drama does not have those

19:13

same kinds of political associations. Now

19:15

a show like the pit, I

19:17

would argue is. radically political, but

19:19

we just sort of as a

19:22

national discourse have not turned to

19:24

the medical drama and been like,

19:26

this is where the culture war

19:28

is happening. And so it is

19:30

this political procedural safe haven for

19:33

TV right now. Tell people how

19:35

the pit is radically political. Yeah.

19:37

So the pit, because it takes

19:39

place in the ER hour by

19:41

hour, and because it's co-creators and

19:44

writers, make this really deliberate choice

19:46

to be focusing on the stories

19:48

of the patients who come in,

19:50

not the personal lives of the

19:53

doctors. The cases that show up

19:55

on the pit are things like

19:57

a situation where a black woman

19:59

comes in and she is experiencing

20:01

an incredible painful crisis because she's

20:04

having a sickle cell crisis and

20:06

she is instead assumed to be

20:08

drug-seeking. Stop fighting! Come the fuck

20:10

down on the cops. My men's

20:12

at all work working! I have

20:15

sickle cell! Okay, stop. Everybody's shot.

20:17

Later in the season there is

20:19

a measles case and this becomes

20:21

a big... and very fraught discussion

20:23

about vaccines. Georgia was sick, but

20:26

she got better on her own

20:28

quickly. Yeah, many people get better

20:30

on their own, like Georgia, however,

20:32

as many as one in 20

20:34

kids that get measles, get pneumonia

20:37

like your son. Are your children

20:39

vaccinated against measles? No. The MMAR

20:41

vaccine is... perfectly safe, measles is

20:43

not. And then there is this,

20:46

of course, this huge season arc

20:48

that's about a mass shooting, and

20:50

that includes a lot of implicit,

20:52

I would say, commentary on like

20:54

why on the role of guns.

20:57

As the nearest trauma center, we

20:59

are going to be getting the

21:01

majority of the victims. We don't

21:03

know yet how many we are

21:05

getting, but we are instituting hospital-wide

21:08

emergency protocols. And that's sort of

21:10

interesting to me because people are

21:12

watching this show as escapism. Our

21:14

colleague John Quillen Hill was explaining

21:16

this morning how she feels like

21:19

watching the pit is like, oh,

21:21

this is my new family. These

21:23

are the people I hang out

21:25

with every night. And yet when

21:27

it's getting so political and when

21:30

people are constantly dying are almost

21:32

dying, like how is that escapism?

21:34

Yes, I have a theory about

21:36

this for the pit in particular.

21:41

Your brain knows that things are

21:43

crazy, that the world is very

21:46

stressful right now. And even when

21:48

you are seeking escapism, it is

21:50

very hard to turn off the

21:52

part of you that is like

21:54

alarm, alarm, alarm. So things that

21:57

are purely escapist, things that are

21:59

like... A fantasy world that has

22:01

absolutely nothing to do with what's

22:03

going on right now are hard

22:05

to enter into. Something like the

22:07

pit is instead this incredibly comforting

22:10

fantasy of... competency. Emergencies that are

22:12

happening that people can deal with,

22:14

they care about, and they want

22:16

to deal with in the best

22:18

way they possibly can. The world

22:21

is a mess, but you don't

22:23

have to care about that. All

22:25

you care about is what is

22:27

in the emergency room in front

22:29

of you at this moment. What

22:32

I'm here from you is that

22:34

it's escapism in that someone has

22:36

your back in this world. One

22:38

million percent, I think that is

22:40

the nature of this. And I

22:42

truly cannot emphasize enough just like,

22:45

not just that they have your

22:47

back, but they're so good at

22:49

their jobs. And like, I cannot

22:51

imagine anything more gorgeous, fantastical, and

22:53

escapist right now. seeing in television,

22:56

whether they're, I don't know, on

22:58

the sort of tail end or

23:00

somewhere in the middle, I'm not

23:02

really sure. But I mean, the

23:04

pit exists in the same televised

23:07

universe as the third season of

23:09

White Lotus and the second season

23:11

of Severns. And these shows don't

23:13

seem to have much in common

23:15

with each other except for the

23:18

fact that people are talking about

23:20

them a lot. right now. Yes,

23:22

they actually have one very very

23:24

important thing in common that has

23:26

directly to do with what you

23:28

are saying, which is that they

23:31

are released weekly. TV used to

23:33

know how to create conversations, and

23:35

it did that by releasing one

23:37

episode a week so that your

23:39

friend could be like, you know

23:42

what shows really good, the pit,

23:44

and you're like, how many episodes

23:46

are they? And either they say

23:48

two and you're like great. I'm

23:50

gonna catch up or they say

23:53

like there's seven season that they

23:55

all came out four years ago

23:57

And you're like well, that's never

23:59

gonna happen. Yeah And so I

24:01

strongly strongly believe that the weekly

24:04

release is a huge part of

24:06

why all three of those shows

24:08

have been so discoursey lately. I

24:10

think both White Lotus and Severance

24:12

are built on this prestige TV

24:14

model, this peak TV thing, where

24:17

it's like you find a guy

24:19

and you give him a billion

24:21

dollars and then he goes off

24:23

and creates a whole season of

24:25

TV and he's an a tour

24:28

and he's a genius. And the

24:30

pit is like, what if we

24:32

made... Can I swear on this?

24:34

What if I made TV as

24:36

TV? Like what if I just

24:39

made the most, like, it feels

24:41

like a show that you watched

24:43

in 1995, but we're gonna streaming

24:45

it, right? Like we're gonna be

24:47

able to have gory medical procedures,

24:49

the run times are gonna be

24:52

just a little more flexible, you

24:54

don't have to hit the commercial

24:56

brakes quite so hard. It has

24:58

been very frustrating to watch. streaming

25:00

shows from the last 10 years

25:03

forget how to make television. And

25:05

watching the pit feels like somebody

25:07

finally remembered how to make television

25:09

again and put it on a

25:11

streaming platform. And I'm just so

25:14

hopeful that other, other, streamers look

25:16

at this, and are like, great,

25:18

we can make suits again too

25:20

and put it on Netflix. And

25:22

for all the people out there,

25:25

Catherine, who are... you know, mourning

25:27

the loss of their precious pit

25:29

or their brief sojourn to Thailand

25:31

or hanging out with the severance

25:33

kids. What are you excited about

25:35

in the coming weeks and months

25:38

on the TV? I was not

25:40

actually the biggest fan of the

25:42

last of us season one, but

25:44

I've very much enjoyed the last

25:46

of us season two and that

25:49

will have that weekly release rhythm.

25:51

There are seven episodes, so you

25:53

get to... You've already seen it

25:55

all. I have, yeah. I'm really

25:57

excited about Andor. It is not

26:00

quite weekly, it's not quite weekly

26:02

release, it is in chunks, it's

26:04

like three episodes a week for

26:06

a couple weeks. But I think

26:08

Andor season one is astonishingly great

26:11

television. And it is also the

26:13

kind of thing where you're like,

26:15

oh, it's escapist, it's a Star

26:17

Wars show, and then you're watching

26:19

it, you're like, actually, no, this

26:21

is the most devastating text about

26:24

fascism that like any entertainer has

26:26

created in the last decade. Another

26:28

great example of escapism, but not.

26:30

A hundred percent. Something more like

26:32

full escapism, the sex in the

26:35

city spin-off, and just like that

26:37

will be coming out again at

26:39

some point at some point. that

26:41

I want to mention about the

26:43

pit though is you won't have

26:46

to wait that long for it

26:48

to come back. It is actually

26:50

on a network schedule like they

26:52

are going back into production this

26:54

summer. Okay great so what you're

26:56

saying is if you're missing the

26:59

pit don't worry you can watch

27:01

the pit. Yes yes. Van Arandong,

27:03

New York magazine, fan of the

27:05

pit. So is Hadi Muagdi, who

27:07

made the show with help from

27:10

Miranda Kennedy, Miles Bryan, and Patrick

27:12

Boyd, who's not sure he needs

27:14

the stress of the pit in

27:16

his life at the moment. I'm

27:18

Sean Ramos for him. This is

27:21

today explained, we'll be back Monday,

27:23

but don't forget, we got a

27:25

Sunday show now. It's called Explain

27:27

It to Me. This week, they're

27:29

gonna explain it to you why

27:32

high school grads aren't automatically being

27:34

funneled into college anymore. You can

27:36

find that where you find this,

27:38

except on the radio. That show

27:40

isn't on the radio. This one

27:42

is, shout-outs to TV on the

27:45

radio. You