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new European season. Today we're looking

4:12

at City's new Brazilian, big changes at

4:15

Man United, Killian and Bape's Real

4:17

Madrid ascension and Liverpool's apparent failure to

4:19

recognise the window is open. My name's

4:21

Ryan Bailey, joining me today, your friend

4:23

and mine, Taylor Wokko. Hello Taylor. Hello

4:26

Ryan, really good to have you back in the United

4:28

States where you belong. Thank you very much, I flew

4:31

back this weekend, it is good to be back in

4:33

Mi Casa, that was not Spanish, maybe

4:35

50% Spanish that one. You are

4:37

in Su Casa but you are

4:39

not in your daughter's room. Have you moved to

4:41

an office? Have we graduated from the

4:43

pink room to the green room? So

4:45

children are on vacation for the

4:48

summer Taylor, I've not negotiated use

4:50

of child's bedroom during child occupation

4:53

hours unfortunately. I

4:55

do like that you and I seem to have a

4:57

similar background paint colour, so for all Joe and Graham

4:59

know we're actually in the same room and just back

5:01

to back. We have been

5:03

all along, it's a kind

5:05

of a situation here. Joe, hello Joe.

5:07

Yeah, we've known all along the editing is an

5:09

absolute bear guys, it really is. You're

5:12

telling me, you're telling me Joe. Graham

5:14

Rothern, hello Graham. Hello Ryan, how are

5:17

you? I missed you last week, I missed all

5:19

of you but I was at Ryan's special

5:21

home of Centre Parks last week, so I felt

5:23

close to you in a sense, I'm not aware

5:25

of Taylor and Joe having been to Centre Parks.

5:27

So much Ryan, I love you, I care about

5:29

you, I miss talking, oh and like, wait who

5:31

were the other guys? I was just handling about

5:33

Centre Parks Joe, I didn't have anything on the

5:35

two of you going to Centre Parks, although you're

5:37

welcome to come, maybe that's where we should do

5:39

the next TSS Live shows at Centre Parks. Get

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6:00

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6:03

are white, right? Unless

6:05

they're babies, yes. Yeah, so there's swans

6:07

there. I just didn't show them on video.

6:09

I called the wrong one swans. Swans

6:12

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a sausage off my plate. It was definitely

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me so. I didn't know swans ate sausages. Here we are.

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I've learned something new today. Set apart swans, too. I

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6:25

Graham's holiday that he was so focused on the

6:27

difference in birds. And yet it led to Bird

6:29

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6:31

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6:33

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us. Taylor, we're in transfer season, baby. They're

6:53

coming in thick and fast. You feeling good?

6:55

Feeling good? We talked about this

6:57

a little bit with the Mbappe unveiling, which we

6:59

will get to later on. I

7:01

am feeling like I have missed a lot of

7:03

news. And hopefully this show will amend some of

7:05

that. But I think with the two tournaments going

7:08

on, and maybe a little bit of burnout

7:10

regarding soccer on the whole, I

7:12

don't think I've paid nearly as much attention to the

7:14

transfers that have happened. And it does feel like we've

7:16

gotten maybe more than we did at this point last

7:18

year. Maybe that's just a failure to remember. But my

7:21

goodness have there been a lot of moves, and we

7:23

have a lot to discuss. People

7:25

spending money, Joe. Joe Lowry, just for the courtesy of

7:27

the listener, he's actually got a yellow ticker with transfers

7:29

going across the screen as we watch him on this

7:31

recording. He's got his yellow tie on. He's about to

7:34

get his totalizer out. Is that right, Joe? Yeah, it's

7:36

actually just my special transfer window t-shirt that has

7:38

the yellow ticker. This is some really advanced

7:40

modern technology stuff. It's t-shirt tech, and I

7:42

wear it all month long until really the

7:44

end of August. Marvelous stuff.

7:46

Why don't we kick off the

7:48

transfer chat, Graham, with the Premier

7:50

League champions Manchester City. Savino or

7:53

Sevio? Which one are we going to go with first

7:55

off? The one that I can

7:57

pronounce, which is Sevino. Excellent. Brazilian

8:00

20-year-old winger played most of last season on

8:02

loan at Girona. What do we know, Graham?

8:04

Yeah, the negotiations were a real challenge for

8:07

City. They managed to get the deal over

8:09

the line, signing Savino from the City Football

8:11

Group. How did they do that?

8:13

Yeah. Amazing. Quite the marvel. Yeah,

8:15

there are all sorts of reasons to be cynical

8:17

about how this transfer came to be. He was

8:20

a Tois player in France, but I don't believe

8:22

he actually played a single game for them. Modern

8:24

football is quite something, but he is an exciting

8:26

player. Of course, we obviously watched him for Girona

8:29

last season when they were doing cool stuff in La

8:31

Liga. He is a wide attacker who is most comfortable

8:33

on the left side. That's where he played for Girona.

8:36

And if you look at his numbers, progressive

8:38

carries and successful take-ons, primarily, it's all very

8:40

impressive. And the way that City play with

8:43

Guardiola setting up his wide players, especially on

8:45

the left side to isolate defenders one and

8:47

one or cut inside and get a shot

8:49

away, that looks like a pretty good fit

8:51

for City and what they want to do.

8:54

What is interesting, though, is how

8:56

Savino will fit into the pecking order. Because to

8:58

my eye, at least, he is similar to Dokou

9:00

in the way that he plays. And then there's

9:02

obviously Jack Grealish, who is a different sort of

9:04

wide player. Guardiola often uses him as a retention

9:06

option, higher up the pitch to keep hold of

9:08

the ball. So is Guardiola

9:10

pitting Savino and Dokou against each other? Or has he

9:12

actually decided that he doesn't need someone like Grealish, who

9:14

was on the peripheries last season, of course, and didn't

9:17

go to the Euros with England as a result? Has

9:19

he now decided that he just wants two players who

9:21

can drive forward and beat a man? And what does

9:23

that mean for Jack Grealish? So that is one to

9:25

keep an eye on. It is indeed, Graham.

9:27

There's one thing that Manchester City need. Surely it's

9:29

more wide attackers like this. There was a period

9:31

where Pep used to just buy fullbacks all the

9:33

time. It is a wide attackers, the

9:35

new fullback for him. A team

9:37

full of center backs and wide attackers is

9:39

Pep Guardiola and Michael Arteza's dream. They share

9:41

that same dream. It's a dream. Taylor,

9:44

you excited about the Man City dream and then continuing

9:46

their dominance this season? I'll hold my hands up and

9:48

say that I was so not familiar with Savino that

9:50

I had to ask the Discord during a Brazil game

9:52

who this guy was and why a French second division

9:55

player was coming on for Brazil in a game they

9:57

needed to win. And then many people pointed out that

9:59

he was not. the

12:00

vroom vroom dribble dribble side of the spectrum.

12:02

And Jack Grilish is on the other side,

12:04

and that's the calf encyclopedia, better

12:07

on the ball, better passer sort of spectrum

12:09

for wide attackers. Savino probably fits

12:11

60% of the way towards

12:13

Jeremy Doku's side. He averaged about two fewer

12:15

attempted dribbles per 90 minutes last season with

12:18

Girona than Doku did with Man City, but

12:20

was still an extremely high volume dribbler. He

12:22

led La Liga wingers in successful dribbles last

12:24

season and was basically just a little bit

12:27

behind Niko Williams on a per 90 minute

12:29

basis, and we'll talk about Niko Williams later

12:31

on. I think Savino's a great bit of

12:33

business from Man City. It's a piece

12:36

of fruit from the multi-club ownership model, which Graham sort

12:38

of referenced earlier. I think he makes a ton of

12:40

sense in this team and gives them either useful depth

12:42

or a legitimate starting option kind of from the jump.

12:45

The only point that I disagree with, Joe, is in

12:47

terms of like Grilish playing on the other side, because

12:49

we haven't really seen that from him, at least for

12:52

City. I mean, for Villa, he was much more of

12:54

a central figure for Aston Villa, so maybe he does

12:56

have it in his arsenal to play on the other

12:58

side. We just haven't seen it for City. And if

13:00

you go through those three options, I think you're right,

13:02

Joe, those three players are the wide attacking options that

13:04

City now have, but they are all left-sided option. Like,

13:07

I can't recall Dokku playing on the right last season.

13:09

Maybe he did, and I think he was too. Most

13:11

of them are left, for sure. Yeah, so that's

13:13

my only worry is like, they now have

13:16

three players who are vying for

13:18

a single position, unless one's gonna get shifted over.

13:20

Yeah, I think Savino could very much end up

13:22

playing some on the right this season. I think

13:24

about how Bikai Osaka plays on the right side.

13:27

For Arsenal, he is often the width

13:29

provider on that right side, and then he times his

13:31

movement to arrive in a half space to receive and

13:33

cut inside on that left foot. I

13:35

think Savino could do that, although I take

13:37

your point, Graham, it is maybe not the

13:39

most natural of transitions for him right off

13:42

the bat, but man, talent and a position

13:44

of need in general in this City squad,

13:46

this one feels like a big old A. To

13:48

open up a question that no one might have

13:50

an answer to, does anyone understand why he signed

13:53

for THWA in the first place? To

13:55

my understanding, he goes there in 2022, he's

13:57

immediately loaned out to PSV,

13:59

THWA. are relegated. And

14:01

then he's loaned out to Girona last season. That's why

14:03

I believe we're relegated again. So I

14:06

don't quite get why he goes there and maybe

14:08

not straight to Girona. I'm assuming there are registration

14:10

issues or something along those lines or foreign player

14:12

quotas or whatever it may be. But that one

14:14

continues to confuse me. I don't know the ins

14:17

and outs, Taylor, but I presume it was something

14:19

to do with financial fair play. And obviously La

14:21

Liga has quite a hard salary cap. Yeah. Or

14:23

like there of, yeah. But Girona, I can't imagine,

14:25

had a very high, I don't have the numbers

14:27

in front of me, a very high salary limit.

14:31

So it's just about putting him to a

14:33

club that has the capability to accommodate his

14:35

salary and then learning about Girona to get

14:37

around the rules. Taylor, I

14:39

believe it's because he thought it was Troy. He's a

14:41

big mythology fan. That's what it was actually. That makes

14:43

sense. Big Brad

14:46

Pitt and Eric Bonner guy. There you go. And all

14:48

I know, don't forget him. Was he in the one?

14:50

I think he was. We can forget him. That's fine.

14:52

OK. Fair enough. Not

14:55

a big fan of the Katy Perry Graham. I'm

14:57

inferring from that one. Who is? As indeed

14:59

is the vibe in the world. At

15:02

the moment, the city making incremental changes

15:04

to get stronger. Good. All right. They

15:06

keep doing that. Tick. Arsenal. Ricardo

15:09

Califiori, Graham, he of vague

15:11

Maldini vibes at the Euros.

15:14

Exciting potential incoming player for

15:16

Arsenal. Yeah, most of the transfer chat

15:18

around Arsenal at the moment is focused on Califiori. As you

15:20

say, Ryan, we all remember him from the Euros, the new

15:22

Maldini, as he was dubbed for a game and a half

15:25

until he were knocked out in the round of 16. But

15:28

he is a big talent. Michael Arteta is certainly

15:30

a big fan. And all the reporting that I've

15:32

seen from guys like David Ornstein and a lot

15:34

at the Athletic is

15:36

very much putting the interest in Califiori

15:39

on Arteta. He seems to be the one

15:41

pushing hard for the club to sign him,

15:44

which is interesting because Arsenal had the best

15:46

center back pairing in the Premier League last

15:48

season. So you wouldn't necessarily

15:50

say it's a position of needs. Califiori

15:53

can play at left back, though. I would say

15:55

he's best as a left-sided center back. He's very

15:57

good at bringing the ball out from the back.

18:00

Arsenal backline I do think it was on the left

18:02

side whether that's as a left back or a left-sided

18:04

center back in a three and you can kind of

18:06

tweak the shape from there we know that

18:08

our Teta wants to be flexible we know that Arsenal

18:10

have targeted extremely flexible defenders in Generals and Cenko is

18:12

a great example of that. Timbrough is another one even

18:15

though we didn't get a chance to see him last

18:17

year he will sort of feel like a new signing

18:19

this year. Caliphiore is kind of

18:21

the latest in that long line of

18:24

very talented very very versatile defenders I

18:27

love this move I hope it gets over the line because

18:29

Caliphiore is a joy to watch and I think he's gonna

18:31

make this Arsenal team better. Taylor

18:34

in your opinion what do Arsenal need to do

18:36

to close the gap this season apart from somehow

18:38

make City worse is it is

18:40

it's probably not in the defense maybe it's up top what do

18:43

we think? I mean I think that's the

18:45

number one it's just like constant food poisoning for Man City

18:47

players I think that's that should be the route they should

18:49

be going I think when we

18:51

talked about Arsenal last season impressed as we were

18:53

by the run that they they made and how

18:55

deep they took that title race it

18:58

still felt like they needed more depth

19:00

right and they needed more like top-end

19:02

depth at that not just sort of players

19:04

who can deputize when one of the

19:06

bigger players goes down but players who can challenge

19:09

for that starting spot and then also deputize as

19:11

the situation requires and so it does feel like

19:13

some of the moves they have been linked

19:16

with both players out the door and

19:19

then potential arrivals move

19:21

towards ticking some of those boxes like I think

19:23

the the links with Marino who we saw with

19:25

Spain this summer make a lot of sense in

19:27

terms of strengthening that midfield getting them different

19:30

options but also greater depth there and then

19:32

as we saw with him with Spain he

19:34

can play as a number nine if the

19:36

situation requires not really but maybe so

19:38

maybe that also ticks a box there but it does feel

19:40

like Eddie and Katia was never going to be the

19:43

man for Arsenal and so many reports

19:45

linking him with a move to a couple different

19:47

clubs lot lots

19:50

of interest in France was what I was reading that does

19:52

feel like kind of steps in the right direction we'll see

19:54

if they end up pulling the trigger on some of those

19:56

deals yeah I like the make

19:58

a merino link Taylor I really do

20:00

hope Arteta did more with the summer than just watch

20:02

the Euros, because it seems like that might have been

20:05

the case based on his transfer activity so far. But

20:07

I like the idea of having him as the double

20:09

pivot with Declan Rice, and then you can have Martin

20:11

Odegard higher up. So I think that makes sense, just

20:13

to have another body in there as well. It feels

20:15

like maybe Thomas Partey is available for

20:17

sale this summer. So maybe he gets moved out

20:19

and Marino gets brought in, and I think that's

20:22

probably an upgrade. The most surprising thing

20:24

about Arsenal Summer so far is the lack of

20:26

talk about a new number nine, because that was

20:28

the big thing in January. It was

20:30

Ivan Toney and Victor Oseman and even Vlavic was

20:32

linked. And that was all swirling around. And I

20:34

think at that point, you thought, OK, well, the

20:36

priority for Arsenal going into the summer is going

20:38

to be to get that big name center forward.

20:41

Nothing has really, I mean, going on the reporting, and

20:43

there's still time, of course, for the situation to change.

20:46

But nothing's really materializing so far. It doesn't feel

20:48

like there's a number nine in the pipeline. So

20:51

I do wonder what the fan reaction will be if

20:53

once again this season. I mean, I've got mixed thoughts

20:56

on whether that actually was Arsenal's weakness last season. But

20:58

that very much seems to be the perception. If

21:00

they don't get that player in, how will fans respond to

21:02

that? All right. Quick break time when

21:04

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21:06

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I don't think either one of those guys is a game breaker. So

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is a common theme for what these top, top teams

46:16

are looking for, because they have so many

46:18

games to play, and he is a very, very

46:20

impressive young talent. I'm not, I don't think I have a great

46:22

read on exactly what his role is going to be, Graham, and

46:24

you kind of got to some of that in terms of how

46:26

much he's going to be on the field this year. But

46:29

early signs point to this being a good

46:31

and I think fun and smart signing. Quickly

46:35

looking around, rest of the Premier League, Taylor,

46:37

you mentioned, I believe, Mattsson coming to Aston

46:39

Villa, looks like

46:41

Moussa Diabes on his way to Saudi Arabia

46:43

from there as well, and Villa also targeting

46:45

Jow, excuse me, JWoww, Felix, apparently as well.

46:48

So a lot of activity in Birmingham, it

46:50

seems. Yeah, man. Yeah, to

46:52

run it through again, Moussa Diabes joining

46:55

Ali Tiad in Saudi Arabia for 60

46:57

million euros, they brought him in for

47:00

what, closer to 40. So

47:02

a pretty good return on a

47:04

player that was their record signing

47:06

ever last summer. A

47:08

good return, I would say. And then the

47:10

Ian Mattsson signing I think makes a ton of sense

47:12

and it is very smart. I really liked what we

47:15

saw from him with Dortmund last

47:17

season, from what I read also very good

47:19

at Ipswich Town the year before that. And

47:22

then, you know, anytime you can get Ross Barkley in there, how

47:24

do you not make that happen? They've been

47:26

smart with the players they have let go.

47:28

Douglas Louise is a loss, but for the

47:30

money made from that sale.

47:32

And then Omari Kellerman, as well

47:35

as a couple other players in there, it

47:37

feels like they have done a good job

47:39

of balancing their books at a time when

47:41

that was very much needed with the profit

47:43

and sustainability rules. They were potentially

47:45

flirting with violating those, so it feels like they've done

47:47

business in a smart way to make sure that they

47:49

don't. Yeah, and just about

47:52

50 minutes before we started recording, confirmed

47:54

the signing of Amadou Onana, who is definitely

47:56

not called Andre Onana. He will tell you.

47:58

in a very English accent that he has

48:01

not called Andre Anana, if you call him

48:03

that. But that is an impressive signing as

48:05

well. I think he might be the record

48:07

signing at 50 million pounds. He

48:09

was linked with, I mean, he's been linked with

48:11

everyone, Manchester United, Chelsea, Barcelona. So a bit of

48:13

a coup for Acevilla to get him in. A

48:15

slightly different midfield anchor to Douglas Louise. I'm not

48:18

convinced he gives you as much on the ball,

48:20

certainly in a progressive sense, as Douglas Louise. And

48:22

Douglas Louise was also a bit of a goal

48:24

threat with somebody's long range shooting. I don't think

48:26

Anana's got that in the bag,

48:28

but nonetheless, a very competent number

48:31

six midfield anchor. I agree, Taylor, on

48:33

the Matson signing. I think he could be one of the signings

48:36

of the whole season in the Premier League.

48:38

What I will say is he plays that

48:40

position left back differently to Luca

48:42

Dean, who was in that

48:44

position for Villa last season. He was much more about

48:46

getting wide, high up, and crossing the ball. Matson is

48:49

a ball carrier who will invert and come through the

48:51

middle with the ball. So that could take a little

48:53

bit of tweaking. It could change the dynamic of Villa's

48:55

attack a little bit. I think he's a high potential

48:57

player, and I think you just get him in the

49:00

door and you kind of figure it out later. But

49:02

that will be something that will be keeping an eye

49:04

on. Here we go. Real

49:06

quick, Graham, just looking at Ipswich's business,

49:08

Liam Delapp has come to Ipswich. I

49:11

feel 100 years old that Rory Delapp's son

49:13

is now a Premier League player. Thank you very

49:15

much. Yeah, and also, it's

49:18

funny that Liam Delapp, who, of course, his

49:20

dad Rory Delapp was the throw-in king. I

49:23

mean, actually, I was going to say maybe Kieran

49:25

McKenna is not so keen on those tactics.

49:27

But actually, he's more of a pragmatist than

49:29

people give him credit for. So maybe we

49:31

are going to see some Rory Delapp-esque throw-ins

49:33

in the Premier League again this season. But

49:35

yeah, I think Ipswich have been quite busy

49:37

so far. The biggest news for them has

49:40

been Mary Hutchinson returning after being on loan

49:42

last season. He was so important

49:44

to Ipswich in a creative sense last season. So

49:46

getting him back was crucial. I think he's actually

49:48

joined on a permanent deal. I don't think he's

49:50

on loan any longer. And as you mentioned, Ryan,

49:53

Liam Delapp coming in from City. It's interesting because

49:55

it does feel like there is a place up

49:57

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apply. That

1:06:00

was the guy that we were gonna build around,

1:06:02

and that was the guy that was gonna make

1:06:04

the difference. I think McTominay has just been a

1:06:06

very useful player who could do a number of

1:06:08

different things, but doesn't necessarily elevate overall, and I

1:06:10

think that probably goes for McKinney at Juventus. And

1:06:12

maybe it's the case with both of them that

1:06:14

they haven't been allowed to play

1:06:16

in their ideal spot. Maybe that's more so

1:06:18

McTominay than McKinney, but it's an

1:06:20

odd one that it does seem like people liked him. People

1:06:23

enjoyed him playing for UVA, not just Americans, but UVA

1:06:25

supporters, but at the same time, I don't think anyone

1:06:27

is going to be like, no, we must keep hold

1:06:29

of him. That's the guy that was going to do

1:06:32

Harry Potter celebrations, and no one else can do that.

1:06:34

Yeah, I'm ready to see Weston McKinney actually play as

1:06:36

the number eight. He's been stuck wide for far too

1:06:38

long at Juventus, which is the sacrifice you make when

1:06:40

you're not a truly elite player and you're at a

1:06:42

huge club. You have to be okay to go and

1:06:45

move around, and McKinney's been okay to go and move

1:06:47

around at every place he's been. I

1:06:49

would just be thrilled to see him actually play in his

1:06:51

best spot. There we go.

1:06:53

Time will tell on that one. All right,

1:06:55

that concludes our Transfer Roundup for today, but

1:06:57

of course we'll be checking back in on

1:06:59

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you very much for joining us on this

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one. Thank you, my friend. Joe

1:07:14

Lowry, pleasure as always, my good man. Aw, thanks,

1:07:16

Brian. Joe's about to get on the

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plane to All-Star, by the way, as we record a

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listener. So be prepared for some dispatches

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from Columbus. Wonderful. Looking forward to it,

1:07:25

Joe. It's patch season, baby. Indeed.

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Thanks, Graham. Thank you, Rainbelly. And thank you very

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much, listener, for joining us on this one. We'll

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