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Hey guys, welcome to another huge

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episode of Trigger on this liberation

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Thursday. What we're seeing this

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week is a fundamental

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fight between American industry

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and globalization. This isn't about

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one day in the stock

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market or the endless stream

0:34

of media hysteria. This is

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about growth, long-term growth. And

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frankly, we're already seeing... positive

0:41

results. You'll obviously never hear

0:43

about that. People will do

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the immediate panic. We've based

0:47

our entire system on making

0:49

stupid short-term decisions so a

0:51

politician can get elected in three

0:53

weeks, even if it screws us 30 years

0:55

down the road, it doesn't matter. It's

0:57

about a fundamental departure from the

1:00

decades of open borders, globalization,

1:02

multi-trillion dollar peacetime deficits, and

1:05

taking this country in a

1:07

different direction that puts American

1:09

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1:14

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Yesterday was Liberation Day guys where

4:20

fair trade, America first, common sense

4:22

policies were on full display. And

4:25

to be clear, what we saw

4:27

yesterday was a message that we're

4:29

investing heavily in our middle class.

4:32

We're not going to be an

4:34

economy for international global oligarchs. For

4:36

the rest of the world, the

4:39

gravy train is over. For America,

4:41

it's an upward shift to put

4:44

money back into the pockets of

4:46

the American workers. And yes, guys,

4:48

reversing decades of decline might not

4:51

please Wall Street for a few

4:53

days. Totally get that. Totally. Totally

4:55

get that. But if it doesn't

4:58

happen now, the consequences will be

5:00

far, far worse. There's a point

5:02

of no return. And we're getting

5:05

very near that. We need to

5:07

fix it now. We've got to

5:10

start making long-term decisions, not short-term

5:12

rapid ones to get some whatever

5:14

person to donate to a politician

5:17

while they sell our future down

5:19

the river 50 years from now.

5:21

Here's JD Vance laying it all

5:24

out. Forty years we've had an

5:26

economy that rewards people who ship

5:29

American jobs overseas and raises taxes

5:31

on American workers and we're flipping

5:33

that on its head. We're going

5:36

to cut taxes for American workers

5:38

and for American companies that build

5:40

here. We're going to make it

5:43

harder companies that build here. We're

5:45

going to make it harder to

5:47

ship American jobs overseas. It's a

5:50

total shift in the way that

5:52

we've done economic policy in the

5:55

United States of America. But that's

5:57

not about offsetting the tariffs. They

5:59

work to get. We want to

6:02

penalize people for shipping our jobs

6:04

overseas. We want to reward hard-working

6:06

Americans. It's all part of the same

6:08

policy. And my father had what

6:11

I think is frankly a great

6:13

analogy. Writing on truth social, quote,

6:15

the operation is over, the patient

6:17

lived and is healing, the prognosis

6:20

is that the patient will be

6:22

far stronger, bigger, and better than

6:24

every before. Kind of nails it.

6:26

No longer are we going to hollow

6:29

out our heartland. We're going to

6:31

actually rebuild it. And American companies

6:33

are tating notice. Just

6:35

listen to a Ford executive on the

6:37

good this will do for Americans. Exactly right

6:40

for the next couple of months we're going

6:42

to offer our customers the same deal that

6:44

our employees get and as you say that's

6:46

worth thousands of dollars you come into our

6:48

store you get employee pricing this is kind

6:51

of to call a little bit of a

6:53

time out we've heard some some uncertainty from

6:55

our customers and we want we want them

6:57

to be assured that Ford the most American

7:00

auto company is going to do right by

7:02

them. as our dealers. We make the most

7:04

cars here, we employ the most, we

7:06

export the most, and so we

7:08

here afford, we're in a good

7:11

position to address customers' concern and

7:13

give them a really great deal

7:15

on a great vehicle. And by the way,

7:17

this is what my father said he

7:19

was going to do. He campaigned on

7:21

this issue going all the way back

7:24

to 2015 and was even saying it

7:26

on Oprah back in the 1980s. And

7:28

as Fox Business host, Charles

7:30

Payne asked... Is our patriotism tied to

7:32

Wall Street? Or should it be

7:35

tied to our own personal ability

7:37

to achieve the American dream? Well

7:39

guys, I don't know about you,

7:41

but I think it's the latter.

7:43

President Trump ran on tariffs.

7:45

What we just saw was a

7:47

president who did what he said

7:49

he was going to do. Every

7:51

single day, the media said Trump

7:53

is running on tariffs and people said

7:55

we know that. And they went and

7:58

pulled the leverage for him.

8:00

mind-boggling to me that the media's

8:02

focus on pain pain pain you

8:04

know listen to me I heard

8:06

someone earlier today in another network

8:08

say that countries send us wine

8:11

cheese and Mercedes and we give

8:13

them a piece of paper as

8:15

if like we're getting a better

8:17

end of the bargain people sweat

8:19

they work hard they sacrifice families

8:21

families are broken up people commit

8:23

crimes for this piece of paper

8:25

it represents an investment our life

8:27

our energy it represents a lot

8:29

it represents a lot You know

8:32

how that money comes back to

8:34

this country? They buy this building.

8:36

They buy our farms. This system

8:38

is unsustainable. It's unsustainable. We have

8:40

to figure it out. So if

8:42

the American people can make a

8:44

short term, you know, hey, that

8:46

beach won't cost 50 cents more.

8:48

I won't buy it. This is

8:51

what's really amazing to me. And

8:53

unfortunately, I hear all our network

8:55

and that lot of networks that

8:57

somehow we all want a good

8:59

GDP. We all want a good

9:01

economy. but doesn't have to come

9:03

at the expense? Is it patriotic

9:05

to always stay in debt? Is

9:07

it patriotic to spend my entire

9:09

paycheck so that the economy is

9:12

good? It's a patriotic so my

9:14

kids can't afford to go to

9:16

college. I don't have a retirement.

9:18

I don't have a decent home.

9:20

Is that patriotic? Is our patriotism

9:22

tied to Wall Street? Or should

9:24

it be tied to our own

9:26

personal ability to achieve the American

9:28

dream? We need to rethink all

9:30

of this. Just look at your

9:33

screen. Look at these trade deficits

9:35

and tariffs that other countries are

9:37

charging us. They've been doing this

9:39

for decades. This is not something

9:41

new. This isn't the response. This

9:43

is the ailment that put us

9:45

where we are. From China to

9:47

the EU to frankly, pretty much

9:49

every other country, Americans are getting

9:51

and have been getting a raw

9:54

deal. Now, you've probably heard the

9:56

media shriek about protectionism. You know,

9:58

the usual nonsense. But as Palmer

10:00

Lucky pointed out, reciprocal terror... are

10:02

the opposite of protectionism. The whole

10:04

point is to encourage free trade,

10:06

rather than the lopsided free trade.

10:08

It's free trade. You can't sell

10:10

our products in their country

10:13

and whatever, you know, minor

10:15

details. We currently have with

10:17

so many countries. It's

10:19

very simple. If they charge us,

10:21

we charge them. It's common sense.

10:24

It's sort of a no-brainer.

10:26

And remember this. is also

10:28

an example of national

10:30

security. For our energy sector,

10:32

for our agriculture sector, and

10:35

for our manufacturing sector, for

10:37

too long we've given other

10:39

nations, even hostile ones, frankly

10:41

many hostile ones, unfettered access

10:44

to the American marketplace. But

10:46

why? Are Americans really benefiting

10:48

from any of that? For

10:50

example, we've covered repeatedly the

10:53

dangers of letting CCP link,

10:55

that's the Chinese Communist Party.

10:57

linked entities buy up our

11:00

farmland and infiltrate our food

11:02

supply chains. And according to

11:04

a new report, the Trump

11:06

administration is now ramping up

11:09

its investigations and scrutiny of

11:11

this nefarious behavior with companies

11:13

that are linked to China. HHS,

11:16

the FBI, the Treasury Department,

11:18

and many others are making

11:20

it clear that business as

11:22

usual is over. We're not

11:24

ceding our sovereignty. and our

11:26

critical supply chains and our

11:29

infrastructure to the CCP or

11:31

any third-party countries who are

11:34

doing their bidding. But, of

11:36

course, Democrats are doing everything

11:38

they can to stand in the

11:40

way of all this. The good

11:42

news is, this week, Wisconsin voters

11:45

did overwhelmingly vote to make

11:47

voter ID the law in

11:49

their state, which of course

11:52

everyone knows is common sense.

11:54

The Supreme Court didn't go

11:56

our way, but the voter ID

11:58

law is massive. By the way,

12:01

for the future guys, we all

12:03

have to get in the game.

12:05

We all have to be involved.

12:07

The GOP, that party, needs to

12:09

create the same machine that gets

12:11

this Democrat ballot harvesting, nonsense going.

12:13

We have to play the same

12:16

game. Because if Donald Trump's not

12:18

in the ticket in the future,

12:20

we still have to win or

12:22

our country will be in just

12:24

as much jeopardy as it was

12:26

in 20, in 16, in 2024.

12:28

So we have to start playing

12:31

that same game. But how is

12:33

the left responding? As Senator Mike

12:35

Lee pointed out, the DNC, along

12:37

with Democrat leadership in Congress, have

12:39

filed a lawsuit to allow non-citizens

12:41

to vote in American elections. Just

12:43

so we're clear, they want illegals

12:45

and non-citizens. to vote in American

12:48

elections. The further away from America

12:50

that you can be, they probably

12:52

want you voting in their elections.

12:54

They would love our enemies to

12:56

vote in those elections too, because

12:58

they would all vote Democrat, because

13:00

that would lead to the destruction

13:03

of American hegemony, sovereignty, and everything

13:05

else that we stand for. And

13:07

as Doge revealed, there are five

13:09

million non-citizens who have social security

13:11

numbers. Five million guys and thousands.

13:13

are registered to vote. And that's

13:15

just the ones we know about.

13:18

Check this out. That's a draw

13:20

dropping number. Where did all those

13:22

people come from? Well, it made

13:24

my draw drop too when I

13:26

saw it. You know, we were

13:28

in Social Security looking for fraud,

13:30

waste, and abuse. And to do

13:32

that, we actually looked at the

13:35

enumeration system, the system by which

13:37

people get numbers in America. And

13:39

we found that there were just

13:41

about five plus million of them

13:43

that came to the country as

13:45

illegals. We're giving various forms of

13:47

parole or allowed in the country.

13:50

And they got through an automatic

13:52

system, so it's good numbers, so

13:54

they get into our benefit systems.

13:56

And we tracked that through and

13:58

found that they were on the

14:00

benefit programs. just because we were

14:02

curious, we then looked and see

14:04

if they were on the voter

14:07

rolls. And we found in a

14:09

handful of cooperative states that they

14:11

were thousands of other voter rolls

14:13

and that many of them had

14:15

voted. And as we close out

14:17

the news rundown, we'll play this

14:19

video. The White House put out

14:22

today laying out the five trillion

14:24

in American investment secured under this

14:26

administration. Check this out. President Trump

14:28

pushing ahead with his America-first agenda.

14:30

Breaking News Apple announced it's going

14:32

to work with FoxCon to build

14:34

a server factory in Texas by

14:36

2026. The company says it is

14:39

now planning to invest $500 billion

14:41

in the U.S. economy. The CEO

14:43

of South Bank, pledging to invest

14:45

$100 billion in the U.S. over

14:47

the next four years. This is

14:49

President Trump delivering on the promise

14:51

he made to the American people

14:54

on the campaign trail. Build greatness

14:56

in America, build four. American customers.

14:58

Project Stargate. It's a joint venture

15:00

between Soft Bank, Oracle, and Open

15:02

AI. And they're going to create

15:04

a data center that will eventually

15:06

be expanded to other states. Shows

15:08

people are listening to Mr. Trump's

15:11

pitch to bring new industry to

15:13

America. This is the latest pledge

15:15

from a foreign business leader, promising

15:17

to spend big in the US

15:19

as a result of Trump's election

15:21

victory. Founder of Trump's election victory.

15:23

Founder of the property development company,

15:26

Damak Properties Properties is pledging the

15:28

money. from Taiwan semiconductor, three in

15:30

the company's total American investments to

15:32

165 billion. The most powerful AI

15:34

chips in the world will be

15:36

made right here in America. Things

15:38

happen so quickly in the Trump

15:40

world, right? It's 100 days, it

15:43

feels like it's 100 months. This

15:45

is leadership, this is taking control

15:47

of the problem for military, for

15:49

everything, for industrial, for our economy.

15:51

Even if it causes short-term pain,

15:53

the reality is it is the

15:55

right decision. Donald J. Trump furniture

15:58

maker prepack or shifting their operation.

16:00

from Canada to North Carolina. Johnson

16:02

and Johnson says it will invest more

16:04

than $55 billion in the U.S. over

16:06

the next four years. Hyundai pronounced a

16:08

$20 billion investment. With your leadership, Mr.

16:10

President, Hyundai Motor Group is proud to

16:13

be stronger partner in America's industry and

16:15

future. It is the automobile industry. Now

16:17

those plants largely have stopped and they've

16:20

stopped and they're moving on. to our

16:22

country. Honda is really one of the

16:24

biggest plants. The trade story is certainly

16:27

picking up speed here and pushing more

16:29

countries to make these bigger investments. It's

16:31

another example of the Trump effect. G.E.

16:33

Aerospace announcing a nearly $1 billion investment

16:36

into American manufacturing. Relay will be announcing

16:38

plans to expand its manufacturing here in

16:40

the United States. 27 billion additional spend

16:42

bringing our total of more than $50

16:44

billion. The money is rolling in and

16:47

this is in the past 60 some

16:49

odd days, Charles. These are deep-pocket of

16:51

folks who want... to have a relationship

16:53

and It's just smart moves. We are

16:55

CMA, CGM, one of the leaders in

16:57

shipping and logistics around the world. Today,

17:00

we are investing 20 billion dollars. Foreign

17:02

leaders from around the world, investors

17:04

from Silicon Valley to Wall Street

17:06

to Main Street, have confidence again

17:08

in our economy and our markets

17:10

and in President Trump. The

17:13

Trump effect this morning,

17:15

a string of massive

17:17

wins for American manufacturing.

17:20

The numbers speak for

17:22

themselves. Wisconsin-based Clarios is

17:24

putting up 6 billion

17:27

dollars. to expand its

17:29

American operation. It was

17:31

driving these decisions. Well,

17:34

President Trump's aggressive made-in-america

17:36

policies and his commitment

17:38

to bringing industry back

17:41

to American soil. This

17:43

is exactly what Trump

17:46

promised. America first is

17:48

back. 5 trillion in

17:50

new American investment, I

17:52

promise you, whatever histrionics

17:55

you hear on TV, whatever you see in

17:57

a short-term blip in the stock market,

17:59

this... is going to make up

18:02

for it immensely, okay? And

18:04

with multiples, you just have

18:06

to let it take its

18:08

effect. That doesn't happen overnight.

18:10

Remember, it was like January

18:12

20th, my father gets sworn

18:14

in, and about seven seconds

18:16

later, the Democrats are saying,

18:18

egg prices haven't gone down

18:21

yet, of course they had,

18:23

like, this stuff takes time,

18:25

nothing's immediate, but we live

18:27

in an instant gratification society,

18:29

society, that makes that so

18:31

much harder. Let it take

18:33

hold. Trust it. And guys,

18:35

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interview with NFL legend, awesome

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guys joining me now, NFL legend, Hall

20:00

of Famer, Brett Farve. Brett,

20:02

thanks so much for being here.

20:04

Really appreciate it. Well, thanks

20:07

for having me, Don. Appreciate

20:09

it. Well, I want

20:11

to start by asking how we've seen

20:13

sort of this intersection now between

20:15

sports and politics. We're actually having to

20:17

debate whether boys should be competing

20:19

in girls' sports on the flip -flop

20:22

side. My father's administration is now making

20:24

health, wellness, and protecting our athletes

20:26

a priority. How do you see it?

20:28

As someone that's competed at the

20:30

most elite levels in professional sports, what

20:32

do you see what's going on

20:35

here? Because it's almost hard for me

20:37

to believe that we're even having

20:39

these conversations. No, I'm

20:41

totally in agreement with you.

20:43

To have to even

20:45

discuss this is beyond me.

20:48

But, you know, it's

20:52

a state of our

20:54

country right now. And if we

20:56

don't stand up and voice our

20:58

opinion and get

21:00

out and vote and do the things that

21:02

we have to do, then we're going

21:04

to see more of this. And

21:06

so that's why I really got

21:08

involved in, and I

21:10

don't want to say too deep in

21:12

politics, but enough. You

21:14

know, I'm not the smartest guy out there, but I

21:16

know that men should not

21:18

be dressing in girls' locker

21:21

rooms or eating against girls.

21:23

I mean, it's hugely unfair.

21:25

It's not right. And

21:27

I have two daughters,

21:29

and they're older now, but

21:32

I would certainly not want a

21:34

man going into the girls'

21:36

restroom or locker room or

21:38

competing against them. It's totally

21:40

unfair to the girls, and

21:44

absolutely absurd to even have to

21:46

talk about it. Yeah, no, I

21:48

see it. So, you know, I have five

21:51

kids, but I always sort of joke, you know,

21:53

my girls are sort of the athletes I

21:55

wanted my boys to be. They're just really good

21:57

athletes. But, you know, if I put my,

21:59

you know, my... my daughter, either one of

22:01

them against, you know, the comparably

22:03

aged, you know, they play golf,

22:05

you know, whatever, I mean, there

22:07

could be a 67-yard difference in

22:09

an opening drive. I mean, easily,

22:11

easily, and it starts to diminish

22:13

the skills of one side, but

22:15

it's crazy that you could see

22:17

someone so dedicated, so this, if

22:19

I put my, you know, my

22:21

oldest son, if he makes contact,

22:23

He's not even much of a

22:25

golfer, he doesn't even care that

22:28

much. But if he makes contact,

22:30

man, it's going. And it's a

22:32

whole different world, and that, you

22:34

know, the mothers that go to

22:36

these soccer matches, and they watch,

22:38

you know, a triple header of

22:40

T-ball can just watch their daughters,

22:42

you know, scholarship, get stripped away,

22:44

or whatever it may be, or

22:46

just, you know, lose a state

22:48

championship every day. And even they're

22:50

not willing to speak up. You

22:52

are one of the original guys

22:54

to actually start talking about it.

22:56

And then you saw the wave

22:58

of guys doing the touchdown celebration,

23:00

Trump dance thing. I mean, there

23:02

does seem to be a pretty

23:04

big switch in professional sports from

23:06

the competitors themselves that they're not

23:08

just accepting the nonsense anymore as

23:10

well. Well, you know this better

23:12

than anyone died. People are scared.

23:14

They were afraid of the backlash,

23:16

the hate. And look at Elon

23:18

right now. You know, Elon is,

23:20

I mean, if there was ever

23:22

an example of ridiculousness for a

23:25

guy who, and the same goes

23:27

for you now, you know, you've

23:29

taken a pay cut to help

23:31

this country. You know, Elon Musk

23:33

is sleeping on a couch in

23:35

the White House or in a

23:37

Tesla outside to make this country

23:39

better. the backlash that he has

23:41

gotten. Now, I know it's a

23:43

small minority in the big picture,

23:45

but nonetheless, I think that in

23:47

itself is what scared a lot

23:49

of people away. Like I'm, you

23:51

know, I'm with you, but I'm

23:53

not going to say anything. And

23:55

that's part, I was a big

23:57

part of the problem. I think

23:59

now we're starting to see the

24:01

wave, as you said, of people

24:03

who are voicing their opinion for

24:05

the good guys. Yeah. And that's

24:07

what it's going to take. I

24:09

think that's a good point. I

24:11

mean, Elon was a darling of

24:13

the left until like two years

24:15

ago when he decided to be

24:17

like pro free speech and then

24:19

he said, hey, I can make

24:22

the government more efficient. This guy

24:24

was beloved and I think part

24:26

of you're right It's it's not

24:28

even a majority of the people

24:30

But the ones that are vocal

24:32

get a majority of the attention

24:34

that's sort of the click bait

24:36

society in which we live But

24:38

I do sort of feel like

24:40

there's a purpose. It's designed to

24:42

stop others from coming out and

24:44

doing the same thing You know,

24:46

others who, you know, if you

24:48

have, you know, another Elon type

24:50

that would say, hey, I'll get

24:52

into government, I'll help for a

24:54

little while. Like, that seems to

24:56

me, like, if you attack the

24:58

threat, it was the threats and

25:00

the attacks and the lawfare against

25:02

my father, same thing. We don't

25:04

want another Trump-like person to emerge.

25:06

We want them to see what

25:08

happens to Trump. It's designed to

25:10

stop them from ever getting in

25:12

the game, let alone participating. And

25:14

you know, hopefully that's backfired, but

25:16

you're right. I mean, what they're

25:18

trying to do to Elon is

25:21

it's wild that it's happening in

25:23

America right now. But all the

25:25

more reason guys like you, people

25:27

I think understand that it takes

25:29

guts to come out and I

25:31

think you've probably earned a lot

25:33

of respect from a lot of

25:35

people who are probably your fans

25:37

anyway beforehand. on X. You know,

25:39

I don't do a lot of

25:41

interviews and TV stuff. I don't, I don't cross paths with

25:43

a lot of people in public, because of where I live and,

25:45

you know, the way the people are here. I mean, they're good

25:47

people. They believe what we believe. But I'm sure if I went

25:49

to some of these roads. cities and I

25:51

would I would catch you know

25:53

some some friendly banter from you

25:55

know from some of these people

25:58

but you know I'm I think

26:00

the key is again you know

26:02

this your dad knows that your

26:04

family knows it because you dealt

26:06

with it you gotta you have

26:08

to be steadfast yep and not

26:10

wavering because that left some of

26:12

these people are evil pure evil

26:14

and will stop at nothing to

26:16

justify their calls or whatever you

26:18

want to call it and so

26:20

we have to be steadfast in

26:22

our beliefs and and stand by

26:25

is you know because a small

26:27

minority you know what I do

26:29

I see a you know someone

26:31

sends a nasty comment to me

26:33

I just blocked I don't even

26:35

worry about dealing yeah you know

26:37

just walk I mean they're not

26:39

worth my time yeah that that's

26:41

actually my superpower is that you

26:43

know what what people say about

26:45

me doesn't bother me at all

26:47

which allows me to actually function

26:49

in this world but not everyone

26:52

has that if if you're affected

26:54

by all of that you know

26:56

the hate you know that that

26:58

can change your whole outlook but

27:00

you know I've been to some

27:02

of those cities lately that you're

27:04

talking about it honestly you'd be

27:06

surprised how much more willing they

27:08

are to acknowledge that what's going

27:10

on is actually really good so

27:12

I think I think we've made

27:14

a big shift and a lot

27:16

of that has to do with

27:19

you know again guys like you

27:21

stepping up and just being willing

27:23

to open the door for others

27:25

to be vocal Elon did that

27:27

David sacks did that then you

27:29

saw like all these other people

27:31

like okay they're they're actually right

27:33

about this this is not let's

27:35

do something about it so I

27:37

just want to applaud you for

27:39

that thank you you're you're actually

27:41

getting involved a little bit more

27:43

now you I saw you had

27:46

a new op -ed out with your

27:48

plan to create the Congressional Fitness

27:50

Challenge this I remember this from

27:52

my like when I was like

27:54

in elementary school then it sort

27:56

of went away as they let

27:58

you know boys become I guess

28:00

soy blobs or whatever that they

28:02

did but it also really sort

28:04

of aligns with the Maha movement

28:06

how did all of that come

28:08

about because you know so much of what

28:11

we can do to help our kids is actually preventative, right? I

28:13

don't want to give them, you know, drugs to fix a problem

28:15

afterwards, but like being healthy can actually stop you from ever doing

28:17

these things. And we're just making sure, you know, they're active exercising.

28:19

You know, what can you tell us about

28:21

all that you're doing? Well, I mean,

28:23

to be real simple. A. We have

28:25

a mutual friend, Arthur Schwartz,

28:27

Arthur Schwartz. me getting involved.

28:30

And, you know, I don't know a

28:32

lot, but I do know about

28:34

exercise and stay and fit.

28:36

And as you know, I was

28:39

diagnosed with parking since about a

28:41

year ago, and I've met with

28:44

five different specialists.

28:46

And all five said the

28:48

same thing. Exercise, exercise,

28:50

exercise. You know, we found

28:52

that the best remedy

28:55

for controlling Parkinson's, it

28:57

doesn't stop the progression,

29:00

but seems to maybe slow the

29:02

effects is exercise. When you throw

29:04

in the towel, get on the

29:06

couch and say, my life's over. That's

29:09

when you're in trouble. And

29:11

I know there's a lot of people

29:13

out there that used to exercise

29:15

or eat right. And look, I like

29:18

my chocolate. I like fried food

29:20

from time to time. I like

29:22

to indulge. And I'm not saying

29:24

you can't do that. I'm just

29:26

saying be more confident. My dad

29:28

died at 56 of a massive

29:30

heart attack. And I can't tell you

29:33

how many times time. And he was

29:35

an athlete growing up. He

29:37

played college baseball. But you know, as

29:39

I think back to my growing up

29:41

days with my father, if I would

29:43

have said, dad, let's go for a

29:46

job. I can't even tell you what

29:48

he would probably say to

29:50

me. You know, I get

29:52

out of your damn mine.

29:54

You know, and that

29:56

to me that.

30:00

that was really kind of the

30:02

last generation. I mean, now it's

30:04

not uncommon to see 50 and

30:06

60 and seven year old guys

30:08

out on road bikes biking. I

30:11

mean, we need more people to

30:13

take the initiative to work out,

30:15

eat better, you know, be healthy,

30:17

and set a better example for

30:20

the next generation. And we're all

30:22

to blame. We're the smartest country

30:24

in the world. We have the

30:26

best technology, but we have to

30:28

be the dumbest people in the

30:31

world as well. You know, what

30:33

we, and how we live. So

30:35

that's really what this is about

30:37

is maybe changing the culture. Yeah,

30:40

I love that. And it's sort

30:42

of amazing. You see it with

30:44

some of the people, you know,

30:46

a couple of the big tech

30:48

billionaires and everything like that, you

30:51

know, they... They discover a little,

30:53

you know, whether it's testosterone or

30:55

lifting or maybe a little combination

30:57

of both, a little testosterone boost

31:00

and all of a sudden their

31:02

entire worldview changes, they become much

31:04

more conservative. So maybe we're not

31:06

only we're starting a movement towards

31:08

being, you know, in better shape

31:11

and taking care of yourself, but

31:13

we're also adding to the movement

31:15

of coming to our side. Yeah,

31:17

listen, I think it's pretty clear.

31:20

The studies are there, the correlation

31:22

between increased testosterone and political ideology

31:24

could not be more clear. So

31:26

yeah, listen, you get them all

31:28

a squat rack. I think that'll

31:31

do a lot. You know, you

31:33

just a little boost there. We

31:35

could get rid of definitely some

31:37

strange stuff that's going on. But

31:40

Brett, you mentioned, you know, you've

31:42

been very open about your Parkinson's

31:44

diagnosis, and I think you've really

31:46

been. a source of hope and

31:48

encouragement for so many families. fighting

31:51

that same battle. What can you

31:53

tell us about, you know, where

31:55

the journey has taken you and,

31:57

you know, are you optimistic that

32:00

we can find, you know, better

32:02

treatments and ultimately a cure? Now

32:04

that you've done the research, you've

32:06

spent the time, you have access

32:08

to the best. What can you

32:11

say about it? Well, first and

32:13

foremost, your dad, when I spoke

32:15

in Green Bay at the rally,

32:17

I had a chance to visit

32:20

with him backstage. You know, I've

32:22

known you dad for quite a

32:24

while. I wouldn't consider as great

32:26

friends, even though I think the

32:28

world of it. But he said

32:31

to me, in private, me and

32:33

my wife, Johanna, we were sitting

32:35

there talking with him. And he

32:37

said, Brett, if it's out there,

32:40

we're going to find the treatments,

32:42

the solutions, not only for you,

32:44

but for everyone, if at all

32:46

possible, we're going to we're going

32:48

to provide our country with what

32:51

they need, not just medications. And

32:53

that was reassuring. There is no

32:55

cure for Parkinson's right now, but

32:57

I would say since I retired

33:00

in 2011, 2011, I was kind

33:02

of on this passionate crusade to

33:04

solve the concussion puzzle. Come up

33:06

with a solution. Better helmets helped

33:08

a certain degree, but look, concussions

33:11

are going to keep happening. I

33:13

bring up concussions because every specialist

33:15

I talk to. Where do you

33:17

think I got Parkinson's? And they

33:19

each one said, if it's not

33:22

in the family, then I would

33:24

say head trauma and or environmental

33:26

chemicals, exposure to things you eat,

33:28

you know, cellular waves, whatever. But

33:31

they all said, based on what

33:33

you've done for so long in

33:35

the amount of head trauma is

33:37

monumental. You know, whether it be

33:39

small or big. would be the

33:42

root cause of Parkinson. And so,

33:44

what I changed things, if I

33:46

could go back, probably not. It

33:48

is what it is. I'm a

33:51

deal with it, but as I'm

33:53

trying to, you know, control the,

33:55

the progression, if you will, I'm

33:57

also trying to find a cure,

33:59

or something that would at least

34:02

stop it in its tracks or

34:04

the progression. And so that's. You

34:06

know, I'm trying to take a

34:08

negative to make it into a

34:11

positive. It sucks to have Parkinson's.

34:13

I have to take medicine for

34:15

four hours. And, you know, if

34:17

I'm slow to take my next

34:19

dose, the rigidity and the shaking

34:22

and stuff, you know, constantly remind

34:24

me, hey, it's time for your

34:26

medicine. And, you know, it sucks.

34:28

But it is what it is,

34:31

and I'm going to make something

34:33

positive about it. Yeah, I know

34:35

we've spoken offline. You know, I

34:37

lost my best friend to suicide,

34:39

but you know, pro football player

34:42

played high level college. He was

34:44

an incredible athlete, but I think,

34:46

you know, what he said to

34:48

me and I didn't even know

34:51

anything was going on. And then

34:53

one day he shot himself, right?

34:55

We spoke eight minutes before it

34:57

happened and he was, you know,

34:59

breaking my balls. Like it was

35:02

like, it was a regular day

35:04

and then someone else was in

35:06

the driver's seat for that short

35:08

instance. He sort of said, hey,

35:11

listen, I was I was fast,

35:13

but there were guys that were

35:15

better than me. So I used

35:17

what I had as a weapon

35:19

to, you know, make a tackle.

35:22

And if I tackled someone and

35:24

I didn't, wasn't seeing stars, I

35:26

wasn't hitting hard enough. And I

35:28

was like, that, you know, they,

35:31

they sort of blamed that one

35:33

on CTE. But what do you

35:35

see, you know, with football with

35:37

that, you know, there's people complaining

35:39

about some of, If my kid

35:42

wanted to play tackle football, I'd

35:44

say maybe, hey, play soccer or

35:46

something else that doesn't have the

35:48

head trauma. How do you see

35:51

how all of that relates to

35:53

football? Would you let your kids

35:55

play the same way that you

35:57

did? How do you sort of

35:59

take this cultural phenomenon that is

36:02

football, like the most American thing

36:04

there is, but also stop these

36:06

things from happening? Because there are

36:08

a lot of those stories. Like

36:11

I guess at once really personal

36:13

to me, obviously yours, you know,

36:15

that's probably what it is. Environmental

36:17

factors are a part of it.

36:19

How do you see that whole

36:22

combination of things going on right

36:24

now? Well, as you know, football

36:26

is not going away. It's a

36:28

multi-billion dollar industry. And it's the

36:31

American way. That being said, knowing

36:33

that it's not gonna go away,

36:35

what I would like to see

36:37

the NFL to do, and let

36:39

me back up. I got three

36:42

grandsons, 14, 11, and eight. They

36:44

have never, first of all, they've

36:46

never played football. They have never

36:48

asked me what I help them

36:50

or teach them how to play.

36:53

If they did ask, by all

36:55

means, I would help them. But

36:57

I don't think. that a 14

36:59

or 15 year old definitely younger

37:02

than that should play tackle football.

37:04

They should play flag football at

37:06

least until high school and that

37:08

should be across the country and

37:10

that would that would eliminate some

37:13

head trauma. Not all, but it

37:15

would you're protecting the kids because

37:17

an eight year old should not

37:19

be playing tackle football when their

37:22

their head and their skull is

37:24

not even close to being completely

37:26

formed. You know, so that's one

37:28

way that we can we can

37:30

help with this with this whole

37:33

concussion deal. But I would like

37:35

to see the league commit more

37:37

to treatments. So, you know, a

37:39

solution, not rule changes. Granted, some

37:42

of them help. Some of them

37:44

are kind of head scratchers. Yeah.

37:46

But at some point, we gotta,

37:48

we gotta find a, you know,

37:50

you have a a concussion or

37:53

the trainer thinks you had a

37:55

concussion, you go to the sideline,

37:57

you know, you take something, you...

37:59

you put something through the

38:02

nose or whatever, to stop

38:04

the inflammation in the brain,

38:06

because that's basically lack of

38:08

a better term, concussion is

38:10

inflammation in the brain.

38:12

And so, much like a

38:14

sprained ankle or where you

38:17

put ice on it, you

38:19

take anti-inflammatory, there is nothing

38:21

for concussions like that. You

38:23

know, sit out is the best

38:25

solution. So we need something. And

38:27

there's a lot of money, obviously,

38:29

going through the NFL. Put some

38:32

of that money into a treatment

38:34

that can stop the inflammation

38:36

in its tracks. Have you been

38:38

involved in watching those sort of

38:40

treatments manifest or mature what those

38:43

treatments could be, what's working or

38:45

what could work? Is there enough

38:47

on that yet? Because I'd love

38:49

to see some of this waste

38:52

fraud and abuse that they're discovering.

38:54

you know, instead of funding circumcision

38:56

procedures and Mozambique, maybe put it

38:58

towards, hey, some of the biggest

39:01

ailments, you know, that are happening

39:03

in America. That'd be sort of

39:05

nice. It'd be nice to also

39:07

watch then the NFL maybe match

39:10

them of those things, if it's a recurring

39:12

theme, which it seems to be. I'm totally

39:14

with you. I think a lot of the

39:16

money that has been wasted could

39:18

be better served for, you know, concussion

39:20

or things in this country that

39:23

matter. I think there's

39:25

a concussion drug

39:27

that is in

39:29

clinical trials in

39:31

Australia that is in

39:33

like 2B, phase 2B and

39:35

has shown a lot of

39:38

promise and you know where

39:40

that goes, who knows, you

39:42

know, the process in which

39:44

that all goes through

39:46

is pretty detailed as

39:48

it should be. there's a

39:51

chance that there'll be something

39:53

in the near future at least

39:55

you know there's hope that that

39:57

it will be other than that

39:59

I really don't know of any,

40:01

you know, I'm sure there's people out

40:04

there trying to, much smarter than me,

40:06

are trying to come up with something,

40:08

but I don't know of anything that's

40:11

gonna be readily available in the near

40:13

future. So I guess I gotta ask

40:15

you, this one, I mean, with the

40:18

NFL draft coming up in April, you

40:20

have perhaps the most iconic draft photo

40:22

of all time. back in 1991. I'll

40:25

make sure that he flashed this up

40:27

on the screen, but what's the story

40:29

behind that moment? How is the draft

40:32

process different today than it was back

40:34

then? Well, first of all, it's different

40:36

because there were 12 rounds when I

40:39

play. Yeah. Now I think there's seven.

40:41

Okay. Now it's a big spectacle. You

40:43

know, it's like the Super Bowl without

40:46

the game. the draft in Green Bay

40:48

this year is going to be fantastic.

40:50

It's not a better place to have

40:53

it because that's football Mecca. Yeah. My

40:55

draft a photo I was in and

40:57

I shared a bedroom with my two

41:00

brothers. And as you can see, if

41:02

you look at that photo, the posters

41:04

and sports memorabilia was all over the

41:07

walls, the ceiling and our dad was

41:09

baseball and football coach. So that's what

41:11

we did. That's what we gravitated to.

41:14

And so everybody came over, you know,

41:16

I didn't go to New York. I

41:18

wasn't invited to New York for the

41:21

draft, but not that I would have

41:23

went anyway. And we just had a,

41:25

you know, a big party. And, you

41:28

know, later down the road, I never

41:30

thought that an NFL player, of course,

41:32

as Baker Mayfield would do a, a,

41:35

you know, I thought he did a

41:37

hell of a job recreating that

41:39

draft day photo. to go through the

41:41

trouble he went through. It actually, I

41:44

thought it was pretty cool, not knowing

41:46

that George and the old cordless phone,

41:48

which our kids have no clue. about

41:51

any of that. You know, they're not

41:53

even a little bit. You know, they're

41:55

carrying cell phones and we thought the

41:58

coolest thing was we got rid of

42:00

a cordless phone. I mean, you got

42:02

a cordless phone in the house, but

42:05

you could walk in the next room

42:07

and talk because you'd lose them. Yeah,

42:09

it's basically accorded cordless phone, but yeah,

42:12

exactly. So, but you were, I mean,

42:14

you were actually drafted by the Falcons,

42:16

right, but you ended up in Green

42:19

Bay. I guess Packers GM Ron Wolf

42:21

traded a first round pick for you.

42:23

What sort of confidence did that inspire?

42:26

I mean, that's that's a pretty big

42:28

deal. And what do you remember about

42:30

those first few years in Green Bay?

42:33

Because you were, you were there a

42:35

while. Yeah, so I'll back up and

42:37

I was drafted with a 32nd pick

42:40

by the Falcons. The pick after was

42:42

the 33rd pick was the New York

42:44

Jets. That was their first pick in

42:47

the draft pick. So their first pick

42:49

in the draft was right after Atlanta's

42:51

pick. And they were going to take

42:54

me. Ron Wolf was assisted GM at

42:56

the time. I didn't know him. So

42:58

Atlanta takes me. I go to Atlanta

43:01

and I always tell the story because

43:03

I think it's it says a lot

43:05

about my year in Atlanta. So I

43:08

was drafted on Friday. We had a

43:10

mini camp the next morning in Atlanta.

43:12

So I was I was living at

43:15

my mom and dad's house down on

43:17

the Gulf Coast, Mississippi. and there was

43:19

two flights out of Gulfport Mississippi to

43:22

Atlanta. One in the morning, one in

43:24

the evening. The morning when I was

43:26

scheduled to be on, it was delayed

43:29

a couple hours. I get to Atlanta,

43:31

the guy picks me up, one of

43:33

the scouts, his name was Danny Mock,

43:36

picks me up, it's just he and

43:38

I, we got a long drive to

43:40

Sorani, Georgia, and I'm saying, uh, Danny,

43:43

man, this, this is not good. I'm

43:45

late, my first practice, he said, Brett.

43:47

It was out of your control. This

43:50

is Minnie Camp. It's no big deal.

43:52

Coach Glanville will be happy to see

43:54

you. So I get there, they're out

43:57

on a project. I ran out and

43:59

I grabbed my shorts, a red jersey,

44:01

my helmet, I run out. Danny waits

44:04

for me when I walk out there.

44:06

Glanville has got his back to me

44:08

and he's got a windbreaker on. I'll

44:11

never forget he's shorthead. The old coach

44:13

has been mute shorts on. He had

44:15

a horn in his back pocket. He

44:18

had a cowboy hat. Then he said,

44:20

hey coach, coach. So he turns around.

44:22

And he says, and he's got sunglasses

44:25

sunglasses on. And he says, I got

44:27

your quarterbackator. And he says, Mississippi? I

44:29

said, yes, sir, coach. He says, what

44:32

school were you from? And I said,

44:34

yeah, I'm thinking of myself, hell, he

44:36

just drafted me. Surely he knows what

44:39

school I'm from. And I say, I'm

44:41

from Southern Miss Coach. And he says,

44:43

damn it. We drafted the wrong guy.

44:46

We wanted a guy from Mississippi State.

44:48

And I was like, am I supposed

44:50

to laugh at this? Or is this

44:53

a joke? And it never got better

44:55

from there. It only got worse. Needless

44:57

to say at the end of that

45:00

year, I got traded to Green Bay

45:02

who had hired or fired their head

45:04

coach and GM prior to the end

45:07

of that season. And I didn't know

45:09

this, but Ron Wolf, we played the

45:11

Jets that year. I was with Atlanta

45:14

late in the year in Fulton County

45:16

Stadium in Atlanta and Ron Wolf came

45:18

down and pregame to watch me throw.

45:21

I had no clue. I didn't know

45:23

I was on, you know, on on

45:25

on alert that someone was potentially looking

45:28

at the trade for me. And he

45:30

gets the GM job at Green Bay

45:33

and he said his first order of

45:35

business after hiring Mike Holmer and his

45:37

head coach was the trade for me.

45:40

And I was, you know, what's so

45:42

cool about the whole thing is I'm

45:44

drafted in the second round. I don't

45:47

play my rookie year. So I do

45:49

nothing to earn the right to be

45:51

traded for a first round pick. So

45:54

it's really like you're drafted in the

45:56

second round. You do nothing. You end

45:58

up getting back in the draft, but

46:01

this time in the first one. Yeah.

46:03

It's better what it amounted to. So

46:05

the best thing about Atlanta was it

46:08

got me the Green Bay. You know,

46:10

you just never know. Yeah, no, I

46:12

mean, stranger things have happened, but yeah,

46:15

it's a great one and obviously go

46:17

down as a legend in Green Bad.

46:19

I know you have some funny stories

46:22

about learning the nickel defense. What was

46:24

that process like? How are you able

46:26

to read defenses so well? I

46:30

started all four years at Southern

46:32

Miss and I don't say that

46:34

braggingly. I say that because we

46:36

were not really a throw-in-te, we

46:38

threw it some, but I was

46:40

never taught because our offense was

46:43

not a complicated system. Most of

46:45

the time we ran toss-a-weet option

46:47

and if we threw it, it

46:49

was like a sprint-out, you know,

46:51

something that you didn't have to

46:53

read. So no one ever taught

46:56

me. the various defenses. You know,

46:58

I knew what cover two was,

47:00

I knew what cover three was,

47:02

I knew what man coverage was.

47:04

But it really, in the offense

47:06

at Southern Miss, it didn't really

47:08

matter. Because you called a play

47:11

and you ran it, you didn't

47:13

check out. Very rarely did you

47:15

have audibles and things of that

47:17

nature. So when I got to

47:19

Green Bay in the West Coast

47:21

offense and Mike Holgren, who had

47:24

coached Joe Montana and Steve Young

47:26

before coaching me. It was what

47:28

I considered very complicated. The playbook

47:30

was like this thick and formations,

47:32

motions, check with me, audibles. I

47:34

mean, it was overwhelming. So I

47:36

end up getting not really thrust

47:39

into Don McCowski gets hurt in

47:41

second game. They put me in,

47:43

am I ready? I would have

47:45

told you yeah, but I was

47:47

far from ready. So, you know,

47:49

I'm running around there blitz and

47:51

we had it picked up. I

47:54

didn't know we had it picked

47:56

up. you know I wasn't waiting

47:58

around I was just running around

48:00

with like a chicken with his

48:02

head cut off and I would

48:04

always hear you know I was

48:07

not one to sit in the

48:09

meeting rooms and coach would be

48:11

going over stuff that I say coach coach.

48:13

You talk about you know they're doing this

48:15

man and I was never wanting

48:17

to do that because I was

48:19

really embarrassed I'm starting quarterback how

48:21

can I be asking questions about

48:23

stuff that I don't know so

48:25

I just played dumb and relied

48:27

on ability ability. But I would hear

48:30

him talk about nickel and dime all

48:32

the time. And it was like, I

48:34

hear this all the time and Ty

48:36

Demer, a good friend of mine, and

48:38

you probably honey with Ty. You

48:40

know, I felt comfortable asking

48:42

him questions because he would

48:44

ridicule me too much. One day

48:46

I was like, Ty, I need to ask

48:49

your question. He's like, yeah, what is

48:51

it? I keep hearing him talk about

48:53

nickel and dime. This is like three or

48:55

four years in. Plenty of time to

48:57

learn what it is. Are you serious?

48:59

I'm like, yeah, I hear

49:01

him talk about nickel, they're

49:03

bringing nickel in or dines coming

49:05

in and when you see dime coming

49:08

in, we want to run to that

49:10

side. I'm like, I'm just curious,

49:12

what the hell are they talking about?

49:14

And he said, well, nickel is

49:17

basically, you take a linebacker

49:19

out, you put in a DB. And

49:21

I said, what's dying? He said, you

49:23

take out two linebackers and you put

49:25

in two DBs. And I go, who

49:27

gives a show? You know, I

49:29

call something complicated. That's how that

49:31

all played out. But I'm proof

49:34

that you don't have to know all the

49:36

ends and outs of the game. to be successful.

49:38

But by the way I think that's like anything

49:40

else whether it's you know banking or otherwise I

49:42

mean these guys talk and they talk in the

49:44

acronyms you know ABC you know and like if

49:47

you just say the words it's like oh I

49:49

know exactly what you're talking about but you know

49:51

they sort of make you feel foolish by not

49:53

necessarily you know articulating what the actual stuff is

49:55

and just you know talking in the you know

49:58

banking speak so yeah I think that's probable. pretty

50:00

common. And I'll tell you a funny

50:02

story. My freshman year at Southern Miss,

50:04

I'm starting. I'll never forget. We're playing

50:06

Memphis State. This is 1987. Now they're

50:09

Memphis, but then they were Memphis. And

50:11

my quarterback coach was a guy named

50:13

Jack White, great guy. Now, this kind

50:15

of tells you what kind of offense,

50:17

you know, our system. So we're watching

50:20

the film of Memphis State and they're

50:22

blitzing like crazy. And I'm like. I'm

50:24

18 years old, you know, I'm bulletproof,

50:26

but I'm looking at this and I'm

50:28

thinking, this can, I mean, this is

50:31

a jailbreak every time they're playing someone.

50:33

And so I say, Coach White, what

50:35

do I do if they blitz? If

50:37

I see blitz, and he said, I'll

50:39

tell you what you do. You make

50:42

some shit happen. And I was like,

50:44

now that I can deal with. That's

50:46

the kind of coaching points I like.

50:48

You need to check this, check that,

50:50

move this style around. You make some

50:53

shit happen. And I said, I can

50:55

do that. That's amazing. So speaking of

50:57

interesting coaches, you had mentioned your dad

50:59

was a coach in high school. What

51:01

was that like for you? I mean,

51:03

you know, I can't imagine that always

51:06

being easy, although it obviously worked out.

51:08

I mean, you're an NFL legend. How

51:10

did that shape not just your football

51:12

view, but perhaps your worldview? Well, it

51:14

was tough. He was way tougher on

51:17

me and I got two brothers as

51:19

I said earlier, my older brother and

51:21

my younger brother both played quarterback for

51:23

my dad as well. It's kind of

51:25

funny about the whole thing is he

51:28

threw the ball with my older brother,

51:30

he threw the ball with my younger

51:32

brother, but in the heart we threw

51:34

maybe once or twice a game with

51:36

me. So I'm like, what am I

51:39

chop liver? But he was so hard

51:41

on me. I can't I can't speak

51:43

for Scott or Jeff because I was

51:45

not there, but I don't think you.

51:47

Maybe he saw something in me that

51:50

he did another two. Another two both

51:52

got scholarships and playing college, but he

51:54

was a hard act. That's on me.

51:56

And the good thing about that was

51:58

the more he pushed me, you know,

52:01

some some kids will go the opposite

52:03

direction. They'll just say shit on it.

52:05

You know, it ain't worth it. I'm

52:07

tired of you riding my ass. Yep.

52:09

It drove me to to work harder.

52:12

And maybe that's what he saw on

52:14

me. If he said, you know, you

52:16

can't do this. I said, oh, yeah,

52:18

well, I'll show you. And we put

52:20

it heads a lot. I have a

52:23

dad a little bit like that myself.

52:25

Luckily, he didn't fully break me, so

52:27

I guess it worked out in the

52:29

end, but there were times it was

52:31

probably pretty close to break, I get

52:33

it. Well, there's no doubt. Your success,

52:36

my success, are due in large part

52:38

because of our dads. There's no question

52:40

about it. And like it or not,

52:42

this younger generation today, and I blame

52:44

the parents rather than the kids. There

52:47

are softer generation. Yeah, we want everything

52:49

for our kids, you know, that we

52:51

didn't have or we always wanted and

52:53

you don't want you want to protect

52:55

them from, you know, evil and granted

52:58

some of that is good, but you

53:00

got you got to kind of learn

53:02

the ropes the hard ways. You got

53:04

to let them fail a little bit.

53:06

You got to let them get their

53:09

ass kicked every once a while. My

53:11

dad, if I got in trouble school,

53:13

my mom and dad talked at the

53:15

same, where I went. first through 12th

53:17

was all right there together so I

53:20

go 12 years without missing a day

53:22

of school and everyone's like holy crap

53:24

really it's kind of hard to skip

53:26

when your mom and dad are driving

53:28

you to school every day exactly you

53:31

know along with that and the discipline

53:33

that my dad you know I can't

53:35

tell you many times Don I would

53:37

say dad let's throw the ball he

53:39

says look you let me worry about

53:42

running the place and calling employees and

53:44

running this team you do what the

53:46

hell I tell you now I didn't

53:48

like that But if he were here

53:50

today, he would say damn sure worked

53:53

out pretty good. Yeah, no, yeah, sometimes

53:55

they get the last word even if

53:57

they're not there to enjoy all of

53:59

it But yeah, I

54:01

can relate a lot. Speaking

54:03

of fathers, my father

54:06

was at the NCAA Rationaling

54:08

Championships recently in Philadelphia.

54:10

And so much of the

54:12

greatness of America, I

54:15

think, can be found in

54:17

sports like wrestling or

54:19

football or these contact -aggressive

54:21

sports. What sort of lessons

54:23

have you learned from

54:26

each chapter of your career,

54:28

from high school to

54:30

then Southern Miss to playing

54:32

professionally? Yeah, you

54:34

know, the

54:37

different phases or

54:39

times from high school to

54:42

college is a big

54:44

leap socially

54:46

fitting in. But

54:49

I think with football,

54:51

it really, you

54:54

go on to a team, you

54:56

walk into the locker room the first time, I'm

54:58

17 years old, and you were the big dog

55:00

where you just left. Yeah. And you're just the

55:02

guy. You got tape on your helmet says far.

55:04

They don't even spell it right. Your

55:07

name's not the easiest one they just come

55:09

up with. I know, and they still get

55:11

it wrong. And

55:13

I understand that. You

55:16

know, and I think to your

55:18

question, the good thing

55:20

about football in the team

55:22

aspect of it. So, you know,

55:25

when I came in to Southern Miss

55:27

at 17 years old, I'm last on the

55:29

totem pole. Guys were busting

55:31

my balls, you know, giving

55:33

me shit. And I

55:35

didn't particularly like it, but it's part of the

55:37

process. But then all of a sudden I

55:39

ended up starting the third game as a 17

55:41

-year -old. And they needed me

55:43

to perform. And all of a sudden

55:45

I was one of the guys. Yeah.

55:47

And the same can be said as

55:49

I went on to the next level. And

55:52

then to play 20 years, I

55:54

really had a chance done. And

55:58

most guys, it's over. before

56:00

they wanted to be. Yeah. And they

56:02

never had a time, really a chance

56:04

or much time. You know, the latter

56:06

part of my career, I was actually

56:08

like being a TV time out. People

56:11

sometimes would say, Brett, what are

56:13

y'all talking about in the in

56:15

the huddle? You know, when they come

56:17

back from a commercial break. And I

56:20

said, you would be surprised. Sometimes it's

56:22

like check out that dude over there

56:24

on the front row. You know, what

56:26

a dip shit. Or it may be. Or

56:29

it may be. the cheerleading squad. Yeah,

56:31

yeah. Look at the girl as topless

56:33

and as 35 below. Yeah, they're gonna

56:35

be gone the next day. They're gonna

56:38

fall off. You know, I made the

56:40

crazy stuff, but oftentimes I was especially

56:42

in the latter part of my career.

56:44

I would sit there and I'd be just

56:47

thinking about it. I'm like, this may

56:49

be the last year that, you know,

56:51

I'm in this this stadium and being

56:53

able to really just soak in

56:56

the moment. you know, it wasn't

56:58

like when it was over, like why

57:00

didn't I enjoy it? I had a

57:02

chance to really, because of those

57:04

20 years, you think about grade

57:06

school, first through 12th, how much

57:09

first grade to senior year,

57:11

dramatically different. Now you go

57:13

20 years of national football

57:15

league as a first year

57:17

guy to, you know, all of a sudden,

57:19

you had kids, I had a grandson

57:21

at 40. And it's, it's, it

57:24

looks totally, it looks totally

57:26

different. But I was able to really

57:28

soak it in. And when I look

57:30

back, I don't go, I wish I would

57:32

have done this, or I wish I

57:35

would have done that, or I

57:37

regret this. Fortunately for me, I don't

57:39

have those regrets because of

57:41

the longevity. What helped you

57:44

with that longevity? I mean, 20 years

57:46

in the NFL, I mean, that's almost

57:48

unheard of. I mean, it happens. you

57:50

know but i mean what's the average

57:52

career spans like three four years right

57:54

i think it's three years yeah i

57:57

mean that what what let you go

57:59

five x I think there's still I

58:01

think there's two things. The toughness that

58:04

my father instilled in. I'll never forget

58:06

I was playing little league baseball and

58:08

I slid in the sector and I

58:11

got I got tagged out and I

58:13

was embarrassed. So I laid there like

58:15

I was hurt. And my dad was

58:18

not my coach. He was in the

58:20

bleachers and of course he and my

58:22

mom didn't come out there. But after

58:25

the game, my dad said if you

58:27

ever do that again. You'll sit out

58:29

there until you rot, because I will

58:32

never come out there and get your

58:34

ass off the field. Now, if you're

58:36

really hurt, that's a different thing. But

58:39

I, you know, and I can't tell

58:41

you how many times after that, you

58:43

know, that moment that them tell me

58:46

that resonates just as if he just

58:48

told me. And I can't tell you

58:50

how many times on the field, I

58:53

was, you know, high school, college, pros,

58:55

where I was, yeah, I was dingedued

58:57

up. that that moment would just would

59:00

be right there and it's like get

59:02

your ass up. There's a difference between

59:04

being hurt and injured. And your team

59:07

is counting me on the one thing

59:09

I would say more than anything he

59:11

instilled in me is the team is

59:14

way more important than one guy. And

59:16

that is so true, especially in football.

59:18

And so I got my job because

59:21

the guy in front of me hurt

59:23

his ankle and came out. And I

59:25

come in. And he's probably thinking, I'll

59:28

screw it up, which would have been

59:30

a good assessment. But I did. And

59:32

he never got his job back. Nothing

59:35

he did or didn't do. He got

59:37

injured. And so I can't tell you

59:39

many times I said, if you lay

59:42

down on this field, you're giving someone

59:44

else a chance to take your job.

59:46

And that's and I would say, keep

59:49

in mind how you got your

59:51

job. It can happen to you. So

59:53

I would get up off the turf

59:55

every single time. It's sort of what

59:58

happened with you know another great like

1:00:00

Tom Brady. I mean, I was watching,

1:00:02

I was watching, you know, that game,

1:00:05

when the Patriots were playing, when Drew

1:00:07

Bledsoe was taken out. And I was

1:00:09

watching it with a bunch of guys,

1:00:12

we were in, like, hunting camp, and

1:00:14

I was watching it with a bunch

1:00:16

of guys from Massachusetts, who will affectionally

1:00:19

refer to as mass holes. And, you

1:00:21

know, for them, it was like the

1:00:23

end of the world. I'm like, well,

1:00:26

I didn't really watch Patriots football, so

1:00:28

it didn't matter, I didn't think of

1:00:30

Drew Bled, You know, young kid quarterback

1:00:33

comes in Tom Brady and you know,

1:00:35

who would have known that what was

1:00:37

the most devastating things for these like

1:00:40

diehard fans was actually, you know, the

1:00:42

start of the dynasty. Yeah, well, you

1:00:44

know, Kurt Warner's another one who's a

1:00:47

friend of mine. He was with me

1:00:49

in Green Bay for a year. Trent

1:00:51

Green gets hurt. They said, our season's

1:00:54

over. He leads him to the Super

1:00:56

Bowl. exactly like Tom Brady. And there's

1:00:58

two flies affected, the one who got

1:01:01

hurt and now has to find a

1:01:03

job somewhere and the one who takes

1:01:05

that moment, seizes it and runs with

1:01:08

it like those who ran with it.

1:01:10

And so it's a tale of, you

1:01:12

know, totally two different stories. Yeah, I

1:01:15

mean, that story about your dad is

1:01:17

great. I have some similar ones with

1:01:19

mine like that that they just... You

1:01:22

know, you don't know why, but it

1:01:24

resonates and it's a driving force that

1:01:26

makes you keep going. So that's

1:01:28

pretty amazing. You had mentioned, sort of,

1:01:31

you obviously have such a love for,

1:01:33

you know, Wisconsin, you know, the fans

1:01:35

over it, you know, for Green Bay.

1:01:38

You know, what was so special about

1:01:40

playing at Lambeau Field for you? I

1:01:42

mean, it's really a sort of a

1:01:45

small town with a football team. Yeah,

1:01:47

well, what is that like in Green

1:01:49

Bay? It's not like New York, right?

1:01:52

There's other things, you know, like that

1:01:54

was, that's the epicenter of everything, isn't

1:01:56

it? Yeah, it was. And I say

1:01:59

that's all the time. It was, if

1:02:01

you were there to play football, that

1:02:03

was what you really wanted to do.

1:02:06

Yeah. Then there's no better place in

1:02:08

the world to play football. They started

1:02:10

off the even news with the latest

1:02:13

on the Packers. They ended the news

1:02:15

with the latest on the Packers. What

1:02:17

happened in the prior 15 minutes? You

1:02:20

know, everyone knew who you were. I

1:02:22

mean, it's a small talent, so if

1:02:24

you went out, everyone knew about it.

1:02:27

But that was okay. The people, and

1:02:29

I think for me, it was a

1:02:31

perfect fit because their blue collar, I'm

1:02:34

blue collar. And, you know, I didn't

1:02:36

play the game for them necessarily. but

1:02:38

I played it like they would have

1:02:41

played it had they got a chance

1:02:43

to play it and I can't tell

1:02:45

you how many times more so today

1:02:48

than any other time in my life

1:02:50

even though I'm 15 years removed from

1:02:52

playing I get this probably more than

1:02:55

anything the game is missing the enthusiasm

1:02:57

and the excitement that you brought you

1:02:59

would though it was like I hear

1:03:02

this one's often every touchdown pass you

1:03:04

through seemed like Christmas morning to

1:03:06

you. It was the greatest thing. And

1:03:08

that's true. You know, when I first

1:03:11

heard that, I was like, you know,

1:03:13

I never thought about it, but I

1:03:15

was just excited about the last one

1:03:18

as I was the first one. And

1:03:20

there doesn't seem to be that joy

1:03:22

and excitement much in the league anymore,

1:03:25

but I think fans in general, whether

1:03:27

you like me or not, could relate

1:03:29

to that. how I played and the

1:03:32

enthusiasm because I was always, you know,

1:03:34

very thankful that I got an opportunity

1:03:36

to do what I always wanted to

1:03:39

do. And on top of it, make

1:03:41

great money. I'm like, can you believe

1:03:43

they pay us to do this? I

1:03:46

would do this for $50. Yeah. And

1:03:48

I played that way. And I think

1:03:50

the people of Wisconsin in general or

1:03:53

that type of person blue collar hard

1:03:55

working love their deer hunting, love their

1:03:57

football. And You know. It was a

1:04:00

perfect fit. Yeah. Do you think that,

1:04:02

you know, sort of the money in

1:04:04

the game? Obviously, you did very well

1:04:07

for yourself in the game, but it

1:04:09

seems like, you know, every five years

1:04:11

out, it's like an exponential shift, you

1:04:14

know, towards, you know, more money when

1:04:16

you look at some of these contracts

1:04:18

being signed, you know, do you think

1:04:21

that has a role in sort of

1:04:23

the, that that change in the game

1:04:25

to you? Yeah, you know, I do,

1:04:28

Don, I really do. what percentage I

1:04:30

have no idea, but I think, um,

1:04:32

and the same to me said for

1:04:35

college, NIL, I can't say that I

1:04:37

like it. It is what it is.

1:04:39

But I think you take out of

1:04:42

the equation, the bonding of the

1:04:44

team, but the transfer portal, the, you

1:04:46

know, 500 million dollar contracts. There's not

1:04:48

a lot to strive for. You know,

1:04:51

if you get a guy that has

1:04:53

a a tremendous contract like they're giving

1:04:55

that, but plays the game like he's

1:04:58

12 years old. You really found something

1:05:00

special. Yeah. You know, so I do

1:05:02

think it's drastically drastically affected the game

1:05:05

today. Yeah, you know, my daughter's a

1:05:07

great athlete. She's, you know, like the

1:05:09

ranked, I think, in the top 75

1:05:12

in the L overall already. So, you

1:05:14

know, as you know, she's treating it

1:05:16

sort of like a business. So it's

1:05:19

a way to monetize that for a

1:05:21

future. It does seem like it's problematic,

1:05:23

right? You draft a great quarterbrack, you

1:05:26

bring him to a college, he learns

1:05:28

the game, someone offers him 10x the

1:05:30

more money, you leave, you break up

1:05:33

that entire dichotomy that the team was

1:05:35

formed around this one player, and it

1:05:37

does feel like it'll create a lot

1:05:40

of chaos. I get it. I think

1:05:42

the NCAA was definitely taking advantage, you

1:05:44

know, of the name image and like

1:05:47

this of all of these people for

1:05:49

a long period of time, but I

1:05:51

don't know what they came up with,

1:05:54

doesn't create. Again total chaos and the

1:05:56

inability to sort of you know grow

1:05:58

someone well because if they keep flip

1:06:01

and out each and every year just

1:06:03

for the next best offer. I think

1:06:05

it probably does that player a disservice

1:06:08

despite the money, but also everyone

1:06:10

else that the team is

1:06:12

building around them. Absolutely. And

1:06:14

I don't know Nick Savin personally,

1:06:17

but his retiring press conference,

1:06:19

he said it so clearly.

1:06:21

It used to be about

1:06:23

mentoring and seeing the maturation

1:06:25

of, you know, a kid as he

1:06:27

goes from a freshman. graduation and on

1:06:30

to the pros. And he said, you

1:06:32

know, I would go into these homes and

1:06:34

I would talk about what I would

1:06:36

do with your with your son and how

1:06:39

I would build him up over the

1:06:41

years. And he said, didn't became

1:06:43

how much are you going to pay?

1:06:45

Coach. Yeah. It had nothing to do with

1:06:47

all the stuff that led him to

1:06:49

be a coach. It was all about what

1:06:51

what what am I going to be

1:06:54

paid? Not even am I going to

1:06:56

start? You know, you know, just What

1:06:58

kind of car are you going to give

1:07:00

me? And I just don't see any good

1:07:02

in that. Well, it also feels like it

1:07:04

would, it's going to aggregate and you know,

1:07:06

you've forgotten more about this that I'll ever

1:07:08

know, but it's also going to aggregate, you

1:07:10

know, the top talent exclusively, you know, to

1:07:13

the top, you know, to the top, you

1:07:15

know, five, ten schools that could be great

1:07:17

football schools just aren't going to even get

1:07:19

a shot at that talent to be able,

1:07:21

so you're just going to have this sort

1:07:23

of like, three dominant teams that have all

1:07:25

the best players. And again, maybe it doesn't

1:07:27

matter if they're not working as a

1:07:30

team. Maybe maybe that overrules, but

1:07:32

you know, that talent per se.

1:07:34

But yeah, it feels like it's

1:07:36

gonna cause a lot of problems

1:07:38

there as well for some of

1:07:40

these smaller programs that have produced

1:07:42

incredible players over the years, but

1:07:44

it may not be Michigan, you know,

1:07:47

X, Y, Z school. Well, I'll say it

1:07:49

in relation to me. I started as

1:07:51

a true freshman at Southern Miss and it

1:07:53

had the NIL been around and I got

1:07:55

one offer. That one offer was Southern Miss.

1:07:57

So it was an easy choice for me.

1:07:59

I often think about, or I get

1:08:02

it, I asked, what do you

1:08:04

think you would have done had

1:08:06

the NIL been in play then?

1:08:08

Let's just assume, we're back in

1:08:11

1987, and I end up starting,

1:08:13

and at the end of that

1:08:15

year, my body of work was

1:08:17

good enough that Alabama or LSU

1:08:19

or Ole Miss, Mississippi State, all

1:08:22

the regional closed teams, said, we're

1:08:24

going to go for this kid.

1:08:26

We're going to give you we're

1:08:28

offering 500,000. Now, my mom and

1:08:30

dad were school teachers. My mom

1:08:33

taught special education in Mississippi for

1:08:35

35 years. My dad was the

1:08:37

driver's head and coach for 35

1:08:39

years. Um, and as you know,

1:08:42

Mississippi's bottom tier and teacher salaries.

1:08:44

So that would have been a

1:08:46

hard thing to not take. Correct.

1:08:48

But I may not be talking

1:08:50

to you today because I may

1:08:53

have gone there and just slipped

1:08:55

through the cracks wasting $500,000 like

1:08:57

in three years or balling it

1:08:59

maybe in a year because that

1:09:01

very easily could happen. And then

1:09:04

I'm scrambling around trying to find

1:09:06

a job somewhere, teaching school and

1:09:08

coaching high school football. And what

1:09:10

would have been is just a,

1:09:12

you know, a former dream. Oh

1:09:15

yeah. Well, there's something to be

1:09:17

said about like not letting 19

1:09:19

year olds have unlimited sums of

1:09:21

money because like that. I remember

1:09:23

when I was 19, it was

1:09:26

like, I like, I think the

1:09:28

best thing my parents did, and

1:09:30

I'm not saying I wasn't blessed,

1:09:32

I'm not saying I wasn't spoiled,

1:09:34

but like, it wasn't like, here's

1:09:37

whatever you want, because like kids

1:09:39

are gonna make really bad decisions

1:09:41

more often than not. Yeah, you

1:09:43

know, you're absolutely 100% correct. You

1:09:45

can't blame the kid, just buys

1:09:48

a, or is given a, you

1:09:50

know, a Lambergen. Yeah, you can't

1:09:52

blame the kid. But what what

1:09:54

does that teach you now in

1:09:56

a positive way? I don't, I

1:09:59

don't. I mean, it's the wild,

1:10:01

wild west. You can see double

1:10:03

A right now. No question. What,

1:10:05

Brett, you know, what, what role,

1:10:07

if any, does, you know, faith

1:10:10

play in all of this for

1:10:12

you? When you reflect on your

1:10:14

successes and how you're fighting this

1:10:16

battle now with Parkinson's and working

1:10:18

nonstop for better treatments and a

1:10:21

cure, you know, how hard is

1:10:23

that? Can you find peace sort

1:10:25

of in this new calling? Absolutely.

1:10:27

Catholic kid, my mother and father,

1:10:30

we always went to church and

1:10:32

it was, you know, as a

1:10:34

young kid, sometimes it doesn't resonate

1:10:36

with you. I mean, it was

1:10:38

like something we had to do

1:10:41

as a chore and we were,

1:10:43

oh, you know, we don't want

1:10:45

to go to church. But then

1:10:47

experiences in your life, perfect example,

1:10:49

your dad, you know, it's not

1:10:52

for me to say he was

1:10:54

a Christian or he wasn't a

1:10:56

Christian. That's beside the point. Your

1:10:58

dad almost died. But by the,

1:11:00

in my, in my view, by

1:11:03

the grace of God, he was

1:11:05

safe. Now, some people may look

1:11:07

at that differently, and that's fine.

1:11:09

I'm with you. No matter how

1:11:11

much faith you have or don't

1:11:14

have, you look at that moment,

1:11:16

you say that's not a coincidence.

1:11:18

There, there, there's never a better

1:11:20

moment to show to someone that

1:11:22

if there was ever the grace

1:11:25

of God, step in and, and

1:11:27

show in mercy, it's that. And

1:11:29

I think your dad certainly recognizes

1:11:31

recognizes recognizes For me, you know,

1:11:33

I can point to several. I

1:11:36

had a very bad pain pill

1:11:38

addiction that I was taking 16

1:11:40

bikes in the US at once

1:11:42

every night for years. I had

1:11:44

two seizures, one during the season

1:11:47

that no one knew about, except

1:11:49

the doctors on the team and

1:11:51

Mike Holgren easily could have lost

1:11:53

my job. But yeah, I overcame

1:11:55

and overcame and I I shouldn't

1:11:58

say it that way. I... God

1:12:01

night really God gave me the

1:12:03

ability or the wherewithal or the

1:12:05

strength to overcome it because I

1:12:07

can't tell you many times time

1:12:09

I tried you know I'm like

1:12:12

I'm done well I'm done I'm

1:12:14

flushing down and told and then

1:12:16

two weeks later I'd go get

1:12:18

another script and in two days

1:12:20

I was I would go through

1:12:22

a month's script I mean think

1:12:24

about that and But

1:12:26

the best example for me is when

1:12:29

my father passed away and I played

1:12:31

against Oakland that night several nights before

1:12:33

Christmas and And I tell people this

1:12:36

you know there was a lot of

1:12:38

talk will he or won't he play?

1:12:40

I was gonna play But what I

1:12:42

was really concerned about was I wanted

1:12:45

to play better. I wanted to do

1:12:47

something that I've never done in the

1:12:49

game of football now that was 2004

1:12:52

I'd been playing in Green Bay since

1:12:54

92. So I've accumulated some pretty good

1:12:56

statistics and games. Yeah, but I but

1:12:58

I prayed. I was it was a

1:13:01

Monday night game. So we're out there

1:13:03

two days prior and I just prayed

1:13:05

and prayed. I want to honor my

1:13:08

father by doing something I've never done

1:13:10

before. Now that's a tall tax. Go

1:13:12

and we're going in at halftime. My

1:13:15

statistics at halftime were better than any

1:13:17

four quarters in history for me. And

1:13:19

I knew as I walked off the

1:13:21

field at halftime, God answered my prayers.

1:13:24

And that made me more at peace

1:13:26

with the whole deal. But I tell

1:13:28

people this as well, like becoming a

1:13:31

Christian doesn't mean you're going to be

1:13:33

perfect. In fact, you're going to become

1:13:35

out harder by either. You're going to

1:13:37

be attacked and you're going to fail.

1:13:40

No, there's only one perfect person that

1:13:42

ever walked this earth and that was

1:13:44

Jesus Christ. Don't think that you have

1:13:47

to be perfect or you're going to

1:13:49

be perfect or being a Christian is

1:13:51

is going to. Oh, that's not going

1:13:54

to be cool anymore because you you're

1:13:56

gonna fail, you're gonna get knocked down,

1:13:58

you gotta get back up and stay

1:14:00

with it. And when you recognize that

1:14:03

and then recognize different experiences in your

1:14:05

life that you can say, I don't

1:14:07

know if that was me that can,

1:14:10

you know, yeah, I can't say that

1:14:12

that was me that that put up

1:14:14

those statistics in two quarters that I've

1:14:16

never even come close to in any

1:14:19

game prior to. So, you know, I

1:14:21

hated that my father passed away, but

1:14:23

there's always good that comes out of

1:14:26

bad. There's no question about it. And

1:14:28

that's God's lesson. Well, that's really important.

1:14:30

I'm really glad you could honor him

1:14:33

that way. I'm sure he's very proud

1:14:35

of you before then, but that was

1:14:37

a little icing on the cake. Right,

1:14:39

right. Well, Brett, thank you so much

1:14:42

for the time. Your incredible story. Look

1:14:44

forward to seeing what you continue to

1:14:46

do with the administration as it relates

1:14:49

to... you know, the health and well-being

1:14:51

of our children and physical fitness and

1:14:53

everything else that you're doing on Parkinson's

1:14:55

research. So thank you so much for

1:14:58

just staying involved, never giving up, never

1:15:00

quitting and fighting. That takes a lot

1:15:02

of guts and you're doing an awesome

1:15:05

job with it. Well, my family loves

1:15:07

your family and we take the world

1:15:09

of all of you and where your

1:15:12

dad is leading this country and what

1:15:14

you're doing. Thanks for having me on.

1:15:16

You know, we said this last time,

1:15:18

we're going to hunt together. Yeah, we

1:15:21

got to make that happen. Yeah, this

1:15:23

year was a little bit, I lost

1:15:25

so much of my hunting season because

1:15:28

we were focusing on saving the free

1:15:30

world with this election. But next season,

1:15:32

I mean, so let's get together this

1:15:34

fall and make it happen, buddy. You

1:15:37

bet, Don. Thank you. Good to see

1:15:39

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