0:00

The last 10 minutes to try

0:02

and get and get to and

0:04

get the to working Wi-Fi working and

0:06

we eventually discovered in our

0:08

Norwegian cabin here is that here

0:10

is that? What What was it? Upstairs,

0:13

one, two, Wait, you one, two, three, four. I just password.

0:15

showed all hack our Wi -Fi now. Upstairs,

0:17

one, two, three, four, all work downstairs. And

0:19

you'll never guess what it is, downstairs. two, three,

0:21

four, I don't think having different passwords for

0:23

the you never -Fi is a good idea. is,

0:25

do, like, just for the record. Downstairs. I'm just

0:27

going to tweet, gave no notice or anything and

0:29

I just went live, so I'm just

0:31

gonna tweet and share. Oh, yeah. Can you

0:33

just talk about where we are while

0:35

I do that, and then I think we've

0:37

desperately to open the while I well. that and

0:39

then I think we're desperately into open the wine as It's

0:41

not that far north is it

0:43

from the bottom because Norway's like a

0:46

very thin, long country. north is it we're

0:48

still kind of down near the

0:50

bottom end Norway is you can't really see

0:52

out the window behind us. of down there

0:54

the bottom it's you ski resort in Norway.

0:56

the Is that behind us. saying that our

0:58

very, very large ski resort in

1:01

Norway. all disappointing, really. a bit disappointing really. Well that.

1:03

Well, there's not enough snow, is

1:05

there? like because least half of the runs

1:07

are shut are our experience today. But

1:09

it was it was years ago, too.

1:11

I think it was very, very similar.

1:14

it was Yeah. I feel like winter

1:16

got later, cause we used to go

1:18

because we from the to go running definitely not

1:20

snowing there, is it? It's definitely not snowing

1:22

feel like we used to go we used

1:24

to go skiing in winter, well winter, British

1:26

person, December. and it could be like

1:28

it could be the at the start

1:30

of of and you'd have absolutely no problems

1:32

whatsoever no now whatsoever I just feel

1:34

like feel are here weeks deep into

1:36

December deep into December and quite literally like closed the

1:38

there's not enough snow on it because there's

1:41

not enough snow on it don't know I don't know maybe a

1:43

sign of sign of things to come we

1:45

have to start going skiing in February. in

1:47

February. That said when... Oh no, you went here in January

1:49

but when Charlotte and I were here

1:51

with the kids in January there was was

1:53

copious amounts of snow Well when I when I

1:55

when we were in we're in in didn't come we

1:57

to the the mountain zone. and stuff. But another month is...

2:00

You know? Yeah. But it used to be

2:02

unquestionable snow at the start of December.

2:04

And now it's super hit and miss

2:06

if you're going to get snow. So

2:08

yeah, maybe it'll be like the February

2:10

holidays now when we start doing the

2:13

snow thing. I gotta put this on

2:15

bluesk on here too, don't you? I

2:17

mastered them. I've already done less of

2:19

them. It'll literally just go through all

2:21

the social platforms to post it. It's

2:23

actually gotten really hard. And if you

2:25

try and automate it and do all

2:27

the platforms together, people get really, well

2:30

they get upset. Have you found a

2:32

tool that can reliably do that across

2:34

the other? No, I think the, the,

2:36

uh, the, the, uh, the API as

2:38

well. What's your, uh, Blue Score? No.

2:40

No underscore. Because I was early enough

2:42

on Blue Sky to get my name

2:45

and not have to put an underscore

2:47

there. Oh, here we go. Do I

2:49

follow you? Post. All right. I'm done.

2:51

Better do. Okay. Now can I open

2:53

the wine? Yeah, anyway. So we have

2:55

come to a cabinet in Norway. So

2:57

this is now week four for Charlotte

3:00

and Kids Night Travel. So we are

3:02

pretty much ready. to go home and

3:04

get home and stop winding and dining

3:06

every single night and actually get a

3:08

little bit of consistency as well. It

3:10

sounds like a it sounds like a

3:12

bad thing to complain about but I

3:14

know exactly how you feel because we

3:17

did four weeks in America this summer.

3:19

Yeah. And yeah like I think you

3:21

just ultimately miss home is kind of

3:23

the core of it. You want the

3:25

normality of life back? There's a bit

3:27

of it as well in terms of

3:29

the impact on your dieting. Eating out

3:32

three times a day. it's not at

3:34

least we're snowboarding here so we this

3:36

is day two of snowboarding so what

3:38

did I so yesterday about 2,800 calories

3:40

what's a calorie which yeah I was

3:42

just gonna say which apparently you guys

3:44

don't even know what calories are what's

3:47

a kilojules what's a kilojule I think

3:49

it's something a little bit less than

3:51

a killer people watching Does

3:53

anyone else use else use

3:55

killer jewels? that jewels? Isn't that

3:57

something? It's like

3:59

everyone who uses Celsius

4:02

in kilometers an

4:04

hour. or We use

4:06

Celsius everyone who uses temperature.

4:08

We don't use like

4:10

free -to We don't use like

4:12

So what did I do today? So what did

4:14

I do today? Oh, today today wasn't as good. We

4:16

do have do have content by the way.

4:18

Yeah. I feel like it feel like it was

4:20

a little bit of a slow start

4:22

to get to to get to there. But this and this is

4:24

this is late too because it's Monday, isn't

4:26

it? it? yes that's the the other thing that

4:28

happens happens and if you start to

4:30

lose track what day week is to lose track

4:32

what day of the week is yeah I don't care I

4:34

don't care don't it's the wine will sterilize that so yeah

4:36

I would have done this day have done this

4:39

but I guy, but I'll I'll wait

4:41

until I'm here geez chance wait till I'm here and

4:43

then at least we can I'm here and

4:45

then then at least we can

4:47

do this at a well because well we've

4:49

got here two two days we really didn't

4:51

have a chance have a chance to just

4:53

chaos just chaos wasn't getting ready and packing and

4:55

getting right, So let me me do the

4:57

not a sponsor bit first first and then

4:59

we might jump into, you know, you've got some

5:01

some stuff. I've definitely got some data

5:04

got well. I've actually loaded it.

5:06

Loaded so I've since it went away. loaded

5:08

a load of data breach since we went away. Oh,

5:10

about that, different too, you can ask me and

5:12

I'll tell you too, There we go. different

5:14

the bad things he did and I'll tell

5:16

you about that, Did he Yeah. Well, Did he

5:18

me and any you live. There All right, so, all the

5:21

we can talk about that you did, and I'll hear

5:23

in January, here in January it that was the

5:25

iceberg thing. thing. Oh yeah, yeah, we'll come

5:27

back we'll come back to it.

5:29

this week week password. One password is to

5:31

an access management which of course

5:33

access management, which of course has been

5:35

there many many times this year already

5:37

every -in for every app on every device

5:39

It's been a been a big will be my second last

5:41

be my second last one of the

5:44

year do a week do a annual roundup on your

5:46

home But it it has been a really

5:48

big year for for one password and it's

5:50

been really good to see them really good

5:52

to see them too in Montreal. Have you any calendar

5:54

before? Only like out

5:56

an out trip though business.

6:00

Yeah, Yeah, twice. cool. So anyway, we saw

6:02

we saw Niagara Falls when I was

6:04

there, there where I was. where that's close. that's

6:06

I'd like to go there like to go there, actually.

6:08

Charlotte and I were there

6:10

and I were there at Montreal with one password

6:12

and we the you about Cap, and

6:14

well, ice hockey. the hockey as

6:16

call it ice hockey, just

6:18

call it hockey. Kennedy, don't it's

6:20

just ice hockey. You just call it hockey. It's implied.

6:22

It's Canada. It's all ice. Yeah, anyway, so they've had

6:24

a massive year, and they're doing

6:26

a lot more than just password management these

6:28

days as well. So go check out one

6:30

password. I go check That will be the second

6:32

last will announcement of this year as well. So

6:34

of this on the as run. So we're on the home

6:36

run We probably should should mention Stefan thing

6:38

now that I raised it. So Stephen employee I'd say

6:40

he's employee and .0 I like 0.1 I or

6:42

something to that .2 like to beat the test employees.

6:45

I know, I know, I know, we passed, we were

6:47

upgrading. So we had Seth in We for a

6:49

couple of nights. In fact, it we had

6:51

ago, so we spent Monday, all the a

6:53

couple of nights a lot of the Sunday

6:55

and a week ago. So

6:57

we spent Monday like like being Monday

6:59

last week and a lot

7:01

of person. Yeah. and lot about just

7:03

as well just trying to just know,

7:05

it's to figure to just person. to figure

7:07

out just trying to was a lot about

7:09

just trying to figure out out a bunch

7:11

of priorities are. One of the of the

7:13

priorities we we've got, we I was just

7:15

telling you this the other day, we're

7:17

doing a full rebrand a full Been

7:20

Poned. So it won't just be me

7:22

so it won't just be me with like like paint anymore. Doing

7:24

version corners. corners. I've wanted to do like a

7:26

new a new brand for ages. I just

7:28

feel like I've I just doing really liked

7:30

doing graphic design and stuff in the

7:32

past. I could not find enough time

7:34

to engage the left side of

7:36

my brain and get it done. brain and

7:38

get it done. I tried Fiver. I I showed you

7:40

what it like. like. Oh my god. That also looked like

7:42

also looked like being, it's pretty far. Yeah, except paid

7:44

for except I paid for it. have a

7:46

professional designer that we do have a professional

7:48

designer is Oslo-based, knows came and hung who is

7:50

this for little bit as came and hung out

7:52

with us for a little bit

7:54

as well. So we actually saw some

7:56

of the branding stuff. So in a

7:58

in a good direction. now but it's a

8:01

much more, it's a much more complex

8:03

process than what I experienced with Fiverr.

8:05

with fiber let's just say so anyway yeah we're on that

8:07

path that path now. a lot of prioritization stuff

8:09

so what the the biggest thing in and

8:11

that you and I spoke I lot

8:13

about a challenges your challenges with things like

8:15

invoices and quotes and all the

8:17

formalities and complexities where we look

8:19

at it as, I think, reasonable

8:21

humans, as I think and go, is

8:23

it so hard? why is so hard You

8:25

know, you know it like, like I'd like like

8:27

to buy your service which is

8:29

listed on your website for $3 .95.

8:31

Could you please send quote? Send

8:33

quote. Oh, cents. Could you please send me a quote?

8:35

Oh, I knew that was coming. on the on the website.

8:37

you put our name on it? on

8:40

the home page. But You could

8:42

print put name name on it? Well, you to

8:44

put your name on it. Put your name

8:46

on it. not going to do that.

8:48

I don't get it. Yeah, I don't

8:50

get it's so bizarre, so bizarre.

8:52

flip flip side. The upside

8:54

of it that that it

8:56

is all because we are

8:58

very heavily dependent on stripes.

9:01

on stripes, everything. got APIs into can

9:03

So we this. this. your your quote

9:05

automatically though? Yeah, not automatically, but they're

9:07

their APIs do create quotes. So you can create a

9:09

can create a quote that takes products

9:11

that you have in product is an enthoothen stripe, you can then

9:13

choose can then choose subscription cycles. create You

9:15

can create quotes. that you It used to be

9:17

that you had to be on a

9:19

higher tier to do that and you'd pay

9:21

an extra 1 % of your revenue whatever it

9:23

is. whatever it is. forcing And now plan everyone

9:26

onto that plan. free And I think we

9:28

just got it for free for a

9:30

little bit. so we'll have that we'll have that. And

9:32

then you can convert a quote into

9:34

an invoice an you want. you want. But we have all

9:36

have all of these, this weird this weird of of

9:38

different things. So we've got got companies

9:40

that want an invoice before paying.

9:42

So okay, well, the problem then problem then

9:44

is you with Stripe you must activate

9:46

the subscription before you can issue

9:49

the invoice. Then there are there are

9:51

resellers that want to quote for

9:53

a customer. then you can do the quote then

9:55

you can get to do the to be the quote

9:57

has to be valid for a period of time anyone.

9:59

So this is why we just... any stripe.

10:01

Everything. everything that

10:03

we're doing is automatable there's APIs and everything. So

10:05

all we need is interfaces, but I kind

10:07

of want to get all the rebrand done because

10:09

we want to get new templates for what

10:11

a form looks like. want to rebuild all of

10:13

that. don't want to have, I don't want

10:15

to build all on the count, you know, 11

10:17

and a bit your old model and then

10:19

rebuild it all again. So we're trying to push

10:22

the rebrand along. We're going to have to

10:24

get someone else to do all the front ends

10:26

as well. And then it's like, well, what

10:29

client side libraries do we like

10:31

did everything in bootstrap and jacquery.

10:33

what do we do today I

10:35

don't know what's the end thing

10:38

so that there'll be there'll be

10:40

another end thing and I'm just

10:42

not sure what it's going to

10:44

be and I know if I

10:46

ask online so hey are any

10:48

fun in developing, may as well

10:50

last tub versus spaces that's another

10:53

controversial comments comments before, yeah,

10:55

Matt, on the Gold Coast, I saw we had a lot

10:57

of rain, So on the Gold Coast, I don't think I've

11:00

missed much there for a while. Well,

11:02

there's Nick. There was in Hofgarten, Austria.

11:04

Don't you've been in Hofgarten, you've been in

11:06

Austria though. Yeah, we're nice. know we're in

11:08

Switzerland together. Yeah, snow

11:11

here is pretty decent, not wanting to brag

11:13

here, thanks mate. man. which

11:16

is there. a Christian Anderson. any snowboard videos

11:18

are Scott falling this year now you haven't

11:20

seen is but i haven't done either of

11:22

those things i don't know you know well

11:24

i don't know what i don't know regarding

11:26

No, so you know it hasn't synced iPad

11:28

yet oh no what a shame you and

11:30

you and your wife came down the mountain

11:32

a bit earlier to do some shopping and

11:34

Charlotte and i took all the kids out

11:36

and you know when you take that twin

11:38

chair on the way home Twin Shared come

11:40

in and down through the trees by the

11:42

hotel the drop shop at the hotel yeah

11:44

Yeah, Ari, who's my 15 year

11:46

old son now has properly started

11:48

snowboarding on this trip. He really

11:50

properly started yesterday. He had one

11:53

day in January proper actually going

11:55

really well. He got so stuck

11:57

in a tree. Yes!

12:00

And while he was... not mentioned that since

12:02

he got home. he got the video. Oh,

12:04

I got the on that device. just that device.

12:06

It just doesn't he was stuck there in

12:08

the tree, I thought of you. stuck

12:10

there in the tree, I thought if this And if

12:13

you. is Norwegian you... Stupid have a couple

12:15

of videos of Scott getting stuck in

12:17

trees. stuck in trees. So when and he was

12:19

so stuck was couldn't reach his bindings

12:21

to his them. That was like, to

12:23

and them. was like me it was. Oh, I have

12:25

to go It'll make you smile. But

12:27

mine was like a tree make own. That's

12:30

how I got so deep in. Like that's how I

12:32

got so deep-en. There's to have proper to have proper serious

12:34

problem Yeah. It's a serious I remember the kids always

12:36

had to carry a whistle because if you

12:38

fall down a tree well you might actually

12:40

just disappear under all the snow. when I had to carry

12:42

a was pretty scary. a carry a. No, I'm Oh,

12:44

I'm glad I'm I'm not the only

12:46

person to have issues with Norwegian Norwegian love

12:48

it. I'll love it. I'll share that later. Why don't we

12:51

talk about the Why don't we talk about

12:53

the Well, I think? some I find some

12:55

other content the diary stuff. Yeah, I mean, we've Yeah. about this a

12:57

mean, we've talked about this a few

12:59

different times, so. the project kind

13:01

of ago, the project nine years ago. I actually

13:03

founded the company seven years ago for it

13:05

was free for many, many years because it

13:07

was, was... I guess like however was a side project

13:09

it was a side that I built because I thought

13:11

it would be cool something then it grew

13:13

and grew and grew and I was like,

13:15

oh, I would be need to start charging for

13:17

this it because it's costing a fortune. need to

13:20

start charging money for this or four months

13:22

ago, we were looking at it and a fortune.

13:24

it's in the blog post, but like

13:26

98. ago we were of our customers want a

13:28

free plan. months And we're literally just It's by

13:30

on the paid customers. but like And I

13:32

was like, this, it's just not working. And

13:34

we have a on a a month plan

13:36

as well back then. then. and And I guess

13:38

the free plan was enough and a half thousand

13:41

and a half thousand people were using that.

13:43

And then we had like a few

13:45

hundred paid customers. and we got to the kind of got

13:47

to the same kind of it I was like, it

13:49

either has to stop or we have to

13:51

we have to change it because it's just

13:53

not working. We can't grow. I have

13:55

a backlog of a million miles long. We

13:57

couldn't even afford to bring on another

13:59

developer. developer. like not. It just isn't going

14:02

just isn't gonna work long So I made the So

14:04

I made the announcement, was like, look, the

14:06

free have to go. to go we'll keep the the

14:08

month month to there. And my my

14:10

argument if you're using the service using

14:13

the service and it's not giving you

14:15

enough value for a month, then... a month. really

14:17

anything enough for... Like, yeah, it's obviously it's it's

14:19

not it's obviously not that important or

14:21

valuable to you But at the same

14:23

time I was like we can't just

14:25

keep allowing keep allowing... 98% know our traffic our traffic

14:28

and our processing is free then the tiny little

14:30

then the tiny little percent at the the

14:32

other end of of paying. So I was like, like

14:34

it has to change because there's a

14:36

million features that I want I need at

14:38

least two developers on board now on board

14:40

we need the income to sustain that

14:42

because we just couldn't there's no possible

14:44

way we could have afforded it could have

14:46

afforded knew that some people would be

14:48

unhappy. would be unhappy. And then I then I

14:50

forgot my years of my years of

14:52

experience on the internet. And I completely

14:54

I completely underestimated. How

14:57

how unhappy people would be. obviously

14:59

naming names, names, but can you

15:01

give the audience some examples?

15:04

of of feedback you Well, just to

15:06

be clear, so be clear, so this is people

15:08

who had had something for free for a very

15:10

long time a now you've said Yeah, and still

15:12

there, but it's 10 bucks there,

15:14

but it's 10 bucks exactly for yeah, yeah, They

15:17

can stop, They you didn't make them

15:19

pay, did you? them pay, course, you? No, no,

15:21

no, cost like we gave and we gave like 100

15:23

days notice or something as well. as well.

15:25

like time to evaluate their options and

15:27

decide what to do. I

15:29

mean, well, what to you a couple of them, I've showed

15:31

you a couple was like, because I was like,

15:33

I do do with this? Let's get some beers

15:35

and read the feedback. read the man. Yeah,

15:37

I mean, like half of the emails

15:40

I can't even repeat because I think repeat

15:42

would age restrict this broadcast. this But

15:44

yeah, people get really nasty. get really nasty.

15:46

I showed you a couple showed you

15:48

a couple of them. nasty stuff, just. stuff.

15:50

Just. You know, know, I've been using this for

15:52

so many years and now you're taking

15:54

it away. It's like now you're taking it away. It's like F

15:56

And I was like, like, you. And I was it's

15:58

just like, just like, my God. like wow you're you're that

16:00

I gave you something for free for free years

16:02

six years and like, I'm I look I can't I'm not I'm not

16:05

really in a position to keep going on

16:07

the way for free. I just need free tiny,

16:09

tiny, tiny a bit of money. tiny little bit of like,

16:11

it's pretty weird and tough in a way,

16:13

because I was just like. just like well no one ever

16:15

said anything no one ever said anything positive

16:17

about it. And I understand that. gonna come

16:19

and be like, oh, thank you for

16:21

taking away the free things. But at

16:23

the same time, at the people get get like

16:25

nasty and stuff like that. that It's the

16:27

the aggression that gets me. And I said so many

16:29

said so many times before, it's aggression

16:31

that you never get face -to -face. face. You

16:33

know, your travels. No one has ever

16:36

come out to where there's in a

16:38

conference out to where there's in a conference and spoken anywhere in all

16:40

I think we know what it would

16:42

sound like. It would be a we know

16:44

speech, know. like. It would be a Trump speech,

16:46

you know. But just it just never

16:48

happens. So, All right, All right,

16:50

so, but we're We're still doing it. it. Yeah,

16:52

you're doing it it anyway. Well, that's ultimate.

16:54

We just don't have a choice. It's

16:56

not sustainable. not sustainable. Like, it would be

16:58

we don't make any more changes or

17:00

improvements, improvements. Yeah. now we've got... like, he's not

17:02

on the website yet, but on the website yet but we

17:05

do have a developer now because he's in

17:07

his probation period as soon as soon as that's complete

17:09

in in he'll be on the website as well

17:11

and then well. And then it's really cool. Like, don't

17:13

have to be a to well. I think this

17:15

is one of as well. the issues that we've dealt

17:17

dealt with, our own pain stuff well. well. And to

17:19

be clear, like we have no intention

17:21

of changing the free bits that

17:23

are there are we because we enough in

17:25

other areas. well enough in other areas, but frankly, like we and

17:27

you are you are under no obligation

17:29

to provide an online service for free

17:31

to everyone at our own I think most

17:33

Yeah. And I think most reasonable

17:35

people can see that. And I know

17:38

that the times that we've increased prices

17:40

been painted, I honestly can't think of a

17:42

negative reaction to that. to that. It's it's normally

17:44

Well, I guess I guess increasing so for already

17:46

paid. that's guess paying actually yeah I guess

17:48

they're last time we but the

17:50

last time we was like August,

17:52

think. we we We didn't

17:54

change the entry level price.

17:56

the entry level price which is

17:58

where I think most people and the least

18:01

amount of actual revenue is. And

18:03

the higher prices, I think it just

18:05

goes into the big machine that is

18:07

corporate enterprise. And the only time we

18:10

get questions, it's usually it's like resellers,

18:12

it's like, customer wants to renew your

18:14

quote, also please provide justification for

18:16

the price increase inflation. No, I

18:18

want my money. Well, but at least

18:21

for price increases people get that

18:23

over time. I guess it's like

18:25

an infinite price increase to go from

18:27

$3 to $10, right? Yes. Anyway,

18:29

yeah. Some data breachy stuff. I'm trying

18:31

to remember when I did the last

18:34

video. So today is a Monday. Since

18:36

that was yesterday. A week? 23rd. So

18:38

that'd be the 16th. I must have

18:41

done it on about the 14th. So

18:43

what I've done since then. I did

18:45

have a bit of downtime in... the

18:48

airbene being Oslo. So it's not

18:50

I go to Oslo now, you

18:52

usually try and get an airbene and

18:54

it just feels a little bit

18:56

like you're living there and you're

18:58

not, it's not like good morning sir,

19:00

what's your table number, like every

19:02

single one? Yeah. So you go to

19:05

breakfast and you're under penalty to not

19:07

get looked up on there. Yeah, they

19:09

only had a few, so Tiber, never

19:12

heard of Tiber before, apparently they're a

19:14

German electricity provider, 50, 50,000 records from

19:16

them, all in the press, 56% of

19:19

those already in have a bean pine.

19:21

I've got another one here, which

19:23

is a Senegalese payment platform. Who's

19:25

your favorite? Who's your favorite Senegalese payment

19:27

platform? But they have what? We

19:29

classes are large payment provided there.

19:31

Well, apparently they have one called Junima.

19:34

They're an e with a little

19:36

acute on the top, so I made

19:38

it pronounced it wrong, but first Senegalese

19:40

data breach. Welcome. That's how I have

19:43

a big bone. Whoa, we're called now.

19:45

It was only 36,000 unique addresses. 52%

19:47

of all those were already in having

19:50

a pain, but it was kind of

19:52

like, it is abreast, the data's out

19:54

there. I do have... to

19:56

draw the the line

19:58

somewhere. Now ,000 records the

20:01

amount of effort

20:03

of effort the impact and the

20:05

usefulness the has the community. actually

20:07

has to community. Yeah it's hard to justify.

20:10

Hmm. was that one. that one. There are more interesting

20:12

ones here. ones here. So what was

20:14

that Senegalese? What's my thing? Where'd it

20:16

go? One in lost my thing, think

20:18

is it go? interesting. In fact that's that's

20:21

particular to think is quite interesting. fact,

20:23

be the two be ones to talk about two

20:25

last ones to talk about, quite

20:27

interesting. do how I I do here? Well,

20:29

Hopper Media. No, No, there's even even another one

20:32

for that. MC2, Data, 2 .1 million customer

20:34

records. records. Looks like

20:36

a market a different a like

20:38

some, look like some... Oh, I

20:40

said I said there are Shah 25 password

20:42

Sorry, Sorry, they're assaulted password hashes.

20:44

Oh, I said there was

20:47

a Oh, so they were secure. 60% already

20:49

never been paying. Hopper Media, 24 million. that

20:51

was a big one. a

20:53

big HopperMedia. Media. No one one really

20:55

knows what it is. it like, there's this

20:57

there's this breach. It's maybe. Was that the huge a

20:59

topic. Oh, you're a got the email from you.

21:01

I was like, I have no idea. Yeah, yeah.

21:03

But the yeah. I got wasn't it? It was.

21:05

you. I was like, I have no I But the was doing

21:07

a talk at Microsoft that day. So It

21:09

was at Microsoft on Tuesday was week. a talk

21:11

at And I was showing them how my

21:13

old Pfizer email address, which I haven't

21:16

had for nearly 10 years now, my old turning

21:18

up in all these data breaches. And

21:20

then suddenly the breach, like I'd loaded that

21:22

morning, was like, Oh shit, not because me. Well, but it had,

21:24

yeah, I think had. my I think I have

21:26

my Pfizer email address I I think I

21:28

have my my phone number two, which wasn't great

21:30

I think that one that one also, or another

21:32

one had the one or another one, had the telco?

21:34

Oh, which one was was Yeah, it was, Now

21:36

you know what? This one,

21:38

No, you know what? This many so many This one,

21:41

my personal data was in because

21:43

here it is, right? in, because in the

21:45

right, like That had my So yeah that's and no

21:47

a credit card? Just knows what it is. A

21:49

whole bunch of people are like, hey still knows what

21:51

it is. And a whole bunch

21:53

of people are like, hey, send me

21:55

the data and I'll try and

21:58

figure it out. out. That's laborious. And

22:00

we'd kind of gone through enough people. I think this

22:02

was the one you were in, wasn't it? it? Cause I

22:04

had you, did have you talk to it? Or

22:06

do I give you the other one? You gave me the

22:08

other one to check my data. Okay. BitView.

22:14

Bitview is a video sharing platform.

22:16

It sounds like someone owned

22:18

them in the midst of a

22:20

live stream or something to

22:22

that effect, so it was a

22:24

very, very public incident. Oh

22:26

no. Six ,000 e -mail addresses, 27

22:28

% already in Habibam Pone. So

22:31

that wasn't good, particularly not when

22:33

you have private messages in there too.

22:36

And comments, but the comments are

22:38

from the public timeline. Never read the

22:40

comments. But the comments tie back

22:42

to identities, so if you're there... And

22:44

if you're there under a random identity,

22:46

abusing Scott for putting the prices up

22:49

and report your eye. And then suddenly

22:51

a data breach who you are against

22:53

the thing. Oh That's not great. Hmm

22:56

there So there was that, that was a

22:58

bit for you. German

23:01

store shank you. It

23:04

sounds like a crime. It

23:06

sounds like several things

23:08

I can think of, 237

23:10

,000 records. There

23:12

are also salted char 256, 52 already

23:14

in Habibam pan and in the last

23:16

two which I thought were kind of

23:19

the most interesting for a couple of

23:21

different reasons. So one is young living

23:23

essential oils which appears to be I

23:25

think the I think the correct or

23:27

more polite term is multi -level marketing There

23:31

are less polite terms. know, you not

23:33

multi -level marketing is. Yeah, but how did, where

23:35

did that come from? So, well, they

23:38

sell essential oils, but their business

23:40

model is MLM, so they have some

23:42

people at the top. Let's call

23:44

it colloquially a pyramid. Some people at

23:46

the top of the pyramid. I

23:48

see now. And they do quite well.

23:50

And when I was, I guess

23:53

a couple of interesting things with this,

23:55

I tried doing disclosure. I just

23:57

could not get a reply. I multiple

23:59

people only. in tech executive positions,

24:01

I tried the published email

24:03

address for reporting it.

24:05

As you can see here,

24:08

it is on a

24:10

popular hacking forum. hacking forum. I quoted

24:12

hackmanic that shared this incident. I saw Hack

24:14

Manic saw them. I met

24:16

them in Dubai the other day

24:18

day. The folks really good people. really good

24:20

course they Of course they but they're

24:23

Italian Oh but they're Italian. They're Dubai

24:25

Dubai. So anyway, multi-level actually

24:27

really interesting. I'll tell you more

24:29

about that later. So anyway, marketing

24:31

and as I

24:33

was googling around trying

24:35

to find more

24:38

info about find more info about,

24:40

about not living young living,

24:42

are a lot of articles in

24:44

there about how I think there's

24:46

some class actions or something where

24:48

people within the MLM scheme Let's where

24:50

people within the MLM scheme, let's the

24:52

bottom of the triangle, the bottom of the

24:54

triangle. they apparently they had had to spend

24:56

$100 a month in order to

24:59

be eligible to then get the

25:01

cascading from lower down the triangle down

25:03

up. back So some of of the

25:05

vast majority of people making less

25:07

than less month. And then was a

25:09

and then fraction a was just absolutely

25:11

raking it in. absolutely raking it in to

25:13

the data breach. the data breach just a shame I

25:15

I couldn't get a reply a reply

25:17

from Then the last one which

25:19

was kind of interesting which was Nile of

25:21

there as well. in part because Nahua was there

25:23

as was was I think it think elastic search instance

25:26

of French citizens is the is the term that was used.

25:28

was used. 90 million rows, than 90 million

25:30

rows, 28 million unique email addresses.

25:32

And it came from various different places.

25:34

It was actually one of the

25:36

attributes the attributes in the the file that it

25:38

came from. that it came from and they

25:41

had name IP address, had name, IP

25:43

address, physical address, and then

25:45

depending on which source it

25:47

allegedly came from, there was

25:49

also partial credit card data.

25:51

card card. last four four digits card

25:53

type, I think expire as well. already have

25:55

been paying but the the interesting thing

25:57

in there is there this

25:59

and then not American sent me a

26:01

message. I think his exact words

26:03

are, are you hacking me? Like,

26:05

no, because no, American works for

26:07

Microsoft. He's probably one of our

26:09

closest friends and he's a very

26:12

good emphasis guy. Both work for

26:14

Microsoft. But anyway, it's like, he's

26:16

Irish, he lives in Norway, and

26:18

he's in the French database with

26:20

a IP address from London. Course

26:22

years. It's always Vpienning. Well, I

26:24

was watching it. But here's the

26:26

other weird thing. He was in

26:28

there against a record that indicated

26:31

it came from Pinterest. Now, I've

26:33

never heard of a proper Pinterest

26:35

data breach. And I went to

26:37

Pinterest and I was like, I

26:39

wonder, because I do have a

26:41

Pinterest account, and I put in

26:43

my Pinterest email address on the

26:45

registration form and it's like, no,

26:48

this one need this already. And

26:50

I put in Niles, and then

26:52

I had to let him know

26:54

he now has a Pinterest account.

26:56

Didn't we verify a potential Pinterest

26:58

breach like years ago? Was it

27:00

Pinterest? Oh that's interesting but then

27:02

he never had an account with

27:05

them. Because you always so I

27:07

use like company name at Scotland

27:09

UK so generally if I'm in

27:11

a breach it's pretty easy because

27:13

I type I can look at

27:15

the email address and it's never

27:17

generic. I remember I'm sure it

27:19

was Pinterest and it was years

27:22

ago. Well regardless, no, I'll certainly,

27:24

before this incident, did not have

27:26

an account with that email address,

27:28

unless they purged it or something

27:30

like that. Chris and Anderson is

27:32

asking, said, what happened when I

27:34

say security, Oslo, were you supposed

27:36

to go there, but I do

27:38

not see as a speaker anymore?

27:41

No. So I wasn't supposed to

27:43

go there because it's next month,

27:45

and a week from now I'll

27:47

be home and not going anywhere,

27:49

I'll be there. I will be

27:51

the next Indicea have coming up

27:53

as Indice in Melbourne at the

27:55

end of April. And I

27:58

I can't make

28:00

that one Yeah, it was a shame.

28:02

a shame. so yeah, I'll at NDC I'll be

28:04

at NDC don't know I don't know on

28:06

going to talk here. figure something out.

28:08

else Someone else push should push yourself first

28:10

at NDC security. Oh yeah. yeah. you were in anywhere within

28:13

the region within the region and you

28:15

can get to NDC the middle of Jane, about

28:17

the middle of Jane, isn't it? running

28:19

our Hack Yourself first work. be running not branded. of

28:21

First Where's not branded. Where's your T

28:23

your t- I know. I came in

28:26

it, though. your t-? it. your t-? When

28:28

you you on the mountain, you were wearing

28:30

that. wearing that, but yeah, 20th to the to the

28:32

23rd of January. So if you were anywhere

28:35

from the from the of January, 23rd Jane,

28:37

be doing will be doing heck yourself first. And it's a

28:39

good event. it's a good event. I'm saying

28:41

that terribly, might have saying that too small to get

28:43

have been a bit too small

28:45

to get on your list, but

28:47

there was recently a a at Valio,

28:49

which is a which is a sorry a

28:51

sorry, a large Finnish employer. I

28:54

think around around... 55,000 employees name as a son that would

28:56

be very small and I that would be

28:58

very small, and I haven't heard

29:00

of it, Milford, good evening Milford. Social

29:02

security Good evening is a big issue like

29:05

other places. Do they have them in Finland? Well

29:07

big issue, like other places. the

29:09

breach in Do they have them in Finland? some

29:11

I said it was in the breach in the comment. knows the but

29:13

there's some places where everybody knows

29:15

the equivalent of your social security number

29:18

and then some places where it's They

29:20

have They have different in different places,

29:22

don't they? there. Depends what you

29:24

can do with it, I guess do

29:26

with it I guess. So anyway there's there are

29:28

two at the moment that I'm

29:30

going through that I'm going through One of

29:33

them would be very familiar would

29:35

be .S. brand name. US brand

29:37

name but it's the best time

29:39

of year to drive

29:41

people towards disclosure. drive people towards disclosure.

29:43

Yeah well I I mean, is it

29:46

the it the best time?

29:48

because because maybe it's like, everyone's at Christmas. Let's

29:50

let them know now them know breach. know, that is

29:52

a good time. I guarantee a time. I 24th in

29:54

the evening is when you should publish something if you

29:56

don't want people to see it. see it. Well,

29:58

that's kind of to to them. I would like... them to disclose

30:00

but we I think in both these instances

30:03

they might take a bit of encouragement for

30:05

disclosure. Christian is saying it is a workshop

30:07

because first is the workshop well with it

30:09

yep get along and do that and I

30:12

mean we still run them at companies where

30:14

it's normal you go in these days. That's

30:16

most of it now to be fair isn't

30:18

it? Yeah I got busy. Also I'm on

30:20

the wrong side of the world for most

30:23

of it. So yeah we did still run

30:25

them where Scott goes in in person and

30:27

it's two days and it's just your organization

30:29

and between the two of us I think

30:32

between the two of us you've probably done

30:34

it like a hundred and fifty times because

30:36

I know I did it more than a

30:38

hundred times with companies yeah I'm sure you've

30:41

done it dozens of times yeah yeah which

30:43

which is really cool and for some of

30:45

the some of the biggest brands it is

30:47

so cool looking at some of them you

30:49

just think oh there's like this like Australian

30:52

dude are this English dude and weird teaching

30:54

people. That always blows my mind. I know.

30:56

Those are always pretty cool. We do have

30:58

lots of moments for like, you know, maybe

31:01

to start wrapping up in like a positive

31:03

Christmas cheernote, but we do have lots of

31:05

moments. We're like, hell, how do we end

31:07

up here? Yeah, because all of it's by

31:10

accident. It's like, is my answer to that.

31:12

Because did you ever sit down and build

31:14

how I've been poned and say, I know,

31:16

I'm going to build this really worldwide known

31:18

dates to dates to dates to dates to

31:21

dates for each service. I started in September

31:23

2009 and one thing led to another. Now

31:25

we're here in this like just ridiculously epic

31:27

cabin. I'm going to post that your son

31:30

just did a video walkthrough which was epic.

31:32

He's got such a good accent too. It's

31:34

very David. It's very David Attenborough. Proper English.

31:36

Proper English. Proper English. Yes, we had a

31:39

fuss. But yeah, we were here in this

31:41

amazing place. And like I remember meeting you

31:43

when I was doing that workshop. the UK,

31:45

it must have been, it was a 27.

31:47

I I remember you

31:50

bumped your head in

31:52

the roof you in the

31:54

hotel at breakfast. a roof

31:56

in the hotel at breakfast. Yeah, I'm nearly

31:59

two That's a a problem.

32:01

In like old like old

32:03

English heritage buildings. But But

32:05

a a very similar

32:08

situation to you. It's

32:10

like you had a

32:12

corporate job, you really

32:14

didn't enjoy doing that

32:17

a lot. doing that then And

32:19

then doesn't feel like next feel

32:21

like next minute. didn't

32:23

at didn't at the time because everything took

32:25

forever to have these choices in life,

32:27

but life, do look back on and go, on

32:29

it. Geez, that escalated. And without a plan on direct, that's the bit that's

32:32

the bit that freaks me out, like no

32:34

or direction. I never sat down. Same with

32:36

security headers, right? I never thought, oh,

32:38

I'll build this thing and it'll turn into

32:40

this awesome thing that everybody likes. It

32:42

was just. turn into this awesome thing that I

32:44

want to build something cool. just, I'll build

32:46

it and then see if anyone uses it.

32:48

I suspect you have more cool, so I'll build it

32:50

we're then for sure. if We've sort of

32:53

had this discussion suspect you and I have and

32:55

one of the things that we're talking

32:57

to Stefan about doing. a week ago just a to

32:59

look, know this you know, you're putting this is, someone

33:01

you're putting food on someone else's table,

33:03

that was the thing that freaked me out

33:05

the most with taking somebody a a report

33:07

your eyes got responsibilities. Well, yeah, like if

33:09

I screw it up. I screw it up he doesn't

33:12

have the have the ability to put

33:14

food on the table, that that was the thing

33:16

that freaked me out the most. out A

33:18

lot of lot of shells my from my is and I don't

33:20

and I don't know if this is the

33:22

right term or not, but for us, this

33:24

is a lifestyle business where we wanna keep doing

33:26

all the stuff that we do do free and

33:28

community centric without someone saying you have to

33:30

saying you everything. We wanna be able want to be

33:32

able to go away for a month, you know, know,

33:34

or maybe in the future, go, oh, maybe I I'm going

33:36

to live go live in Oslo months or something like

33:38

that. We want to be able to do that

33:40

without being tied down and having responsibilities. being tied down

33:42

And I just don't want anything that, I just don't

33:44

want anything that those two things to

33:47

happen. happen. You were there there as I

33:49

was going through through in 2019, which 2019,

33:51

which was, thank apart, but but we would would

33:53

have just ended up in the absolute

33:55

opposite of what we have now. opposite

33:57

of what we have now. job. have a job. I'll

34:00

do the next one from home.

34:02

We should wrap it up right, we

34:05

should wrap it up there because

34:07

we're now reaching Eve Eve Eve. So for those

34:09

of you on the other part of the world those

34:11

of you on the other part

34:13

the world, like at home where

34:15

it's already Christmas Eve, we're now to

34:17

six in the evening on the

34:19

23rd. Yeah look let's wrap it up here. look,

34:21

let's wrap it up here. I'll

34:23

do the next one from home.

34:25

I feel like I'm getting home terrible

34:27

o 'clock Sunday morning. So I might might

34:29

push this one. I will keep

34:31

doing this video every single week.

34:33

know Mr. but sometimes it's just a

34:36

few days later. a few days later. All right, All

34:38

right, Thank thank you Enjoy, have Enjoy, have an

34:40

awesome Christmas and I'll see you before the

34:42

New Year. the new year. Gosh, yeah.