0:02

Good morning. It's nice doing

0:05

these from home. Funky

0:07

monk, awesome. Good day,

0:09

funky monk. Good morning.

0:11

Thanks for joining. Yeah.

0:13

Still in Australia. That's

0:15

nice. I thought it would be

0:17

warmer. Like it's, what's it

0:19

now? 25 Celsius. We are in

0:22

the warm part of Australia.

0:24

It's only part of

0:26

Australia. But for those of

0:28

you from other parts of

0:30

the world. Places like Sydney

0:33

and Melbourne get hot, like well into

0:35

the 30s, often in the 40s, sometimes

0:37

for days in a row in summer,

0:39

and it just gets sweltering. We're further

0:41

north, which remember when you're in the

0:44

southern hemisphere, that's when it gets warmer.

0:46

So we're closer to the equator. So

0:48

we have much more temperate weather all

0:50

year round, but it doesn't get too

0:52

hot. It looks really, really rare to

0:55

get much over 30, but it gets

0:57

more humid. So anyway, anyway, now we

0:59

just got more humid. Paul's 32,

1:01

33 Celsius each day. We've

1:04

got solar as well, which

1:06

helps. But it's nice. Good

1:08

day, Simon. James, thanks for

1:11

joining. All right, where

1:13

do we start? Coffee is

1:15

where we start. I'm hoping,

1:18

and I think this is

1:20

all right, I'm hoping

1:22

my bandwidth looks okay.

1:25

Someone sent me about

1:27

eight terabytes worth of

1:29

data. While I was away now

1:31

8 terabytes of data is a non-trivial

1:33

amount to suck down and just

1:36

I started going just over 24

1:38

hours ago I Do have a gigabit

1:40

connection here. I can reliably get gigabit

1:42

But it looks like it's

1:44

coming down somewhat less than

1:46

that and it's just saturating my

1:49

connection, but I think in the

1:51

last hour or so I feel like

1:53

it's been throttled somewhere and it's

1:55

not my connection. I'm still getting

1:57

pretty much gigabit down and 300

2:00

plus megawatts up. This is on

2:02

Australia's MBN for the folks down

2:04

this way. So yeah, pretty solid

2:06

connection. Anyway, now to figure out

2:08

how to go through, and this

2:10

is about 7.5 terabytes compressed as

2:12

well, and based on a couple

2:14

of the sample files I looked

2:16

at, I think we're about 10

2:18

terabytes uncompressed. I did do some

2:20

scrambling around trying to find disks

2:22

that would actually fit this. Where

2:24

were they? I found a 20

2:26

terabyte disk laying around that I

2:28

hadn't used yet. And then I

2:30

realized I do have a synology,

2:32

not a synology, I'll come back

2:34

to a synology, a ubiquity NAS.

2:36

They sent me one of their

2:38

UNAS devices a while ago and

2:40

that's got 16 terabytes, something on

2:42

it. So I've got space, but

2:44

to process the data, and just

2:46

for context, this is Stiller logs.

2:48

So this is not some massive

2:50

company has had one huge data

2:52

breach. It looks... Very relevant. But

2:54

holy shit, there's a lot of

2:56

data to pass through. And I

2:58

haven't been yet skiing very much.

3:00

This is the constant challenge. I

3:02

think I mentioned it on this

3:04

podcast. And I was talking to

3:06

someone else about it. I don't

3:08

know. But, oh, that's right. It

3:10

was a reporter, yes. We've come

3:12

to that we being primarily Charlotte

3:14

and I have come to the

3:16

conclusion that have I been kind

3:18

is... It's an important project. It's

3:20

something we invest a lot of

3:22

time in But we are looking

3:24

at it as a bit of

3:26

a lifestyle business insofar as We

3:28

don't want to make it big

3:30

and have responsibilities and then we

3:32

got more time doing other stuff

3:34

We don't want to sell it

3:36

to some organization then they own

3:38

your soul like we we want

3:40

to be out of run it

3:42

the way we want it and

3:44

That gives us the flexibility to

3:46

travel a lot to do all

3:48

the sorts of things you probably

3:50

on my socials last year But

3:52

it also means that I just

3:54

never quite sure where the word

3:56

stops. You know what I'm saying?

3:59

I mean, like we get up

4:01

super early here too since we've

4:03

got back off from getting up

4:05

like 4 o'clock in the morning,

4:07

coffee work, jet ski, come back,

4:09

all work and the day ends

4:11

doing stuff like this. And I

4:13

just find that that makes it

4:15

quite hard to know when to

4:17

tune out. So when I get

4:19

a corpus of data like this,

4:21

or I can just, I can

4:23

see it's valuable and it's useful,

4:25

but it's an absolute time suck.

4:28

I need people, honestly, like I

4:31

need someone, someone that I know

4:33

and trust. Yeah, like Stefan, so,

4:35

yeah, Stefan, no and trust. They're

4:37

building code, he has the keys

4:39

to the kingdom, he could destroy

4:41

us in one go, like he

4:43

has that level of responsibility. We

4:45

need like a Stefan, able to

4:47

process data like this. And that's

4:49

a hard one, there's a lot

4:51

of trust involved in that. Anyway.

4:53

Moving on, I mentioned Synology accidentally.

4:56

As I was tweeting, and to

4:58

be fair, like I... Last week

5:00

I spoke with the Blue Sky

5:02

thing, and people in Blue Sky

5:04

getting very upset that a piece

5:06

of content only existed on Twitter,

5:08

and one of my Blue Sky

5:10

post linked through to Twitter, and

5:12

I made the point, look, I

5:14

just... First of all, it only

5:16

exists there. Also, there's just not

5:18

a lot of engagement on Blue

5:21

Sky with the broader community. There's

5:23

obviously the infoiseek niche... It feels

5:25

like they're bombing out of mastodon.

5:27

No, anyway. They're spread all over

5:29

the place. There's just not the

5:31

same engagement. Put a tweet out

5:33

on Twitter. I'm going to try.

5:35

Is it still tweet? A post

5:37

out on X the other day.

5:39

About my stenology drive. And I've

5:41

got a lot of feedback, which

5:44

is good. So, if you're on

5:46

blues guy, go over to X

5:48

and it's there. And if you

5:50

don't want to go over to

5:52

go over to X, well. Don't

5:54

tell me. Not really my problem.

5:56

After 12 years of law service

5:58

my synology, DS 15... 12 plus

6:00

is doing poorly, in an English

6:02

term, took the latest OS update,

6:04

after which it ended up perpetual

6:06

state flashing blue power light, can't

6:09

find any obvious fixes, ideas, mostly

6:11

just runs plex wondering if I

6:13

upgrade, can this just move over?

6:15

Now, first of all, I think

6:17

getting 12 years out of a...

6:19

fairly high end consumer grade NAS

6:21

that has run pretty much 24

6:23

7 for 12 years. I reckon

6:25

that's good. That is a good

6:27

result. I'm impressed with that. I

6:29

do of course do all the

6:31

backup things. I have multiple synology

6:34

NAS drives here included a rack

6:36

mounted NAS which has got a

6:38

lot of dartrian. I use all

6:40

the hyper backups. Everything is backed

6:42

up. It's on site off site

6:44

like I have backups of everything.

6:46

So I'm not too worried about

6:48

losing things but a little bit

6:50

of it I mean just wondering.

6:52

Did I back up all the

6:54

plex configuration? So not just the

6:56

media, but all the metadata about

6:59

the media, including the album or

7:01

the movie covers and things. So

7:03

I have to check that. But

7:05

it just ended this perpetual state

7:07

and it was after taking a

7:09

software update, which of course led

7:11

a whole bunch of people on

7:13

X because that's where they go

7:15

to complain. A whole bunch of

7:17

people saying, this is why you

7:19

don't take software updates for things

7:21

at work. Well, it might work,

7:24

but what about all the security

7:26

vulnerabilities on abilities. that the software

7:28

update is just fixed, like it's

7:30

not that simple. And I have

7:32

taken every single software update as

7:34

it's become available for every single

7:36

one of my synology devices. So

7:38

I have four different synology drives,

7:40

two tower mounts, you know, portable,

7:42

we can check on your desktop,

7:44

and one rack mountain. Every time

7:47

there's been an update, I've taken

7:49

it, and this is the first

7:51

time in 12 years of synology

7:53

ownership, second time. I just remembered.

7:55

I just remembered. I think in

7:57

about 2014, because I was searching

7:59

my history, trying to find synology

8:01

in my receipts, trying to figure

8:03

out how long the thing had

8:05

lasted for. There was one point.

8:07

something went wrong and I got

8:09

some remote support from Sology but

8:12

pretty much first or second doesn't

8:14

matter it's 12 years of ownership

8:16

on those things so that's a

8:18

good run now when you start

8:20

googling synology flashing blue light you

8:22

get a lot of results there's

8:24

a lot of opinions on the

8:26

internet It does everything from, it's

8:28

a bad disk, so take the

8:30

disks out and just try and

8:32

boot from the OS that runs

8:34

on the flash memory on it.

8:37

Okay, well, that didn't work, still

8:39

flash into the light. Try a

8:41

blank disk, that didn't work. There's

8:43

a few suggestions saying replace the

8:45

CMOS battery. Now first of all,

8:47

that's not easy to get at,

8:49

but what have I got to

8:51

lose? So I've disassembled the whole

8:53

rack, found a CR-2220-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2 So none

8:55

of these things have worked at

8:57

all. The only other thing I

8:59

haven't tried that came up multiple

9:02

times, and I can't believe this

9:04

is actually a thing, but apparently

9:06

if you put a 100-ome resistor

9:08

that you sold it onto the

9:10

board across two particular pins, that

9:12

might fix the problem. And I

9:14

just got to the point where

9:16

like, it's 12 years old, I'm

9:18

a busy guy. Do

9:21

I really want to be like

9:23

soldering a resistor onto 12 year

9:25

old equipment? And how long would

9:28

I actually expect that to last

9:30

even if it worked? So the

9:32

consensus seems to be that if

9:34

you go and get a newer

9:36

version and you just whack the

9:38

disks in as good as gold

9:40

and it comes up. So I've

9:42

ordered a, it's like a DS

9:44

935 plus or something. I think

9:46

I've got a couple of DS

9:48

930s that I use for off-site

9:51

backup rotation. There's a newer version

9:53

of that. So, and that's a

9:55

four disk bay instead of the

9:57

five which I'm coming from, but

9:59

I only have four disks. I'm

10:01

okay. So I'm hoping that when

10:03

that arrives probably Monday, I just

10:05

slide the disks in. Plugging the

10:07

other than a cable, power it

10:09

up and it takes some amount

10:11

of time to adopt the disks

10:13

and we're good to go. That

10:16

seems to be the consensus. I'm

10:18

hoping that's true. John I 2518.

10:20

Yeah, yeah. I wrote 2025 for

10:22

the first time today. It's very

10:24

confusing. So, um, hopefully that's going

10:26

to come good and I can

10:28

stop thinking about this. I did

10:30

a bit of a moment as

10:32

well. I put this question out

10:34

to folks out there, whether you

10:36

listen to it now or later.

10:38

How warm is okay for your

10:41

server rack? Because I just had

10:43

this discussion about how we're living

10:45

in a place that is fairly

10:47

warm and humid. The server rack,

10:49

I put a lot of effort

10:51

into airflow. It's going to say

10:53

cooling, but I think it's from

10:55

an airflow thing because it's in

10:57

our rebuilt garage, in a cupboard,

10:59

with the front face open, airflow

11:01

on top of the server rack,

11:04

extra fans in the cupboard to

11:06

draw air through. But when I

11:08

look at our temperatures now, the

11:10

garage that it's sitting in is

11:12

currently sitting at 28 degrees. And

11:14

is 38 degrees okay? I think

11:16

it's okay, particularly if you do

11:18

have some airfly through it. And

11:20

it's not a dusty environment, although

11:22

mind you, you might have opened

11:24

up that synology the other day

11:26

and I was like, shit, there's

11:29

some dust bunnings in here. But

11:31

again, 12 years. James says, I

11:33

wrote a copy pay script to

11:35

save my Plex metadata. It's such

11:37

a pain to lose the metadata.

11:39

Watch history, manual renames. I gotta

11:41

be honest. No, of course, we

11:43

only ever used PLEX. onto the

11:45

plex media station. I was going

11:47

to say, I've got to be

11:49

honest, like the difference between 12

11:51

years ago when I set this

11:54

up and now is pretty much

11:56

everything I want to watch. is

11:58

A, on a streaming media platform,

12:00

and B, a lot of it

12:02

is in 4K as well. And

12:04

for the sake of maybe paying

12:06

$5 or $6, as opposed to

12:08

trying to pull it off PLEX

12:10

at a lower res, I feel

12:12

like we've passed a lot of

12:14

the value proposition of PLEX, at

12:17

least for the way I use

12:19

it. Anyway, hopefully I find that

12:21

metadata somewhere. I imagine, if you

12:23

install a complex package, where does

12:25

it save the data? Surely it's

12:27

on your removable disc and it's

12:29

not somewhere on the host, NAS

12:31

itself. I don't know, we'll find

12:33

out soon. Matthew, I've had a

12:35

synology fail on me due to

12:37

an Intel atom bug. Swopped out

12:39

the unit, it picked up the

12:42

existing array just fine. Okay, well,

12:44

and this is what I'm hearing.

12:46

Most people are going to look,

12:48

it's going to be fine. So,

12:50

I hope so, if it's not.

12:52

I've got backups, I'm just not

12:54

sure if the backups have the

12:56

flex metadata though. But it's not

12:58

that old thing they say, you

13:00

know, backing up is great, but

13:02

restoring is the problem. All your

13:04

backups might be working fine, but

13:07

are you restore working fine? So

13:09

I had a moment where I

13:11

was like, okay, is the server

13:13

rack too warm? And I feel

13:15

like it's not, like everything else

13:17

in there is ticking along just

13:19

fine. There's no weird behaviour or

13:21

anything. I've got everything from multiple

13:23

switches obviously, the ubiquity you know

13:25

as I just mentioned, my home

13:27

assistant yellow is in there, other

13:30

synology devices are in there, they're

13:32

fine. Like everything else seems for

13:34

running just fine, so I'm actually

13:36

not too stressed about that temperature.

13:38

James' asplex for stuff I can't

13:40

stream. And there is occasionally stuff

13:42

there. I've also had... But so

13:44

even then there's another answer now.

13:46

I was going to say it's

13:48

like snowboarding videos I took from

13:50

20 years ago and I want

13:52

to watch them. But now I've

13:55

got so much storage on things

13:57

like my iPad, they go on

13:59

there and then I just go

14:01

to the Apple TV. and I

14:03

cloud photos and you're streaming off

14:05

there. So I still find there's

14:07

an answer for most of the

14:09

things and there are very very

14:11

few niche exceptions. Simon I always

14:13

perform a mock backup restore when

14:15

everything is working. Yeah yeah it's

14:17

probably a good idea. I guess

14:20

it depends what it is you're

14:22

backing up but we're gonna have

14:24

the backup discussion now. I

14:28

think there's an interesting mental exercise.

14:30

Like your house burned down in

14:32

fragment sake. Your phones, your servers,

14:34

your PCs, everything. Like what do

14:37

you have left that you can

14:39

recover? And so much stuff now,

14:41

like, geez, for probably for last

14:44

decade, every time I save a

14:46

document, it's in either drop box

14:48

or one drive. So that's there.

14:50

Obviously all my email is on

14:53

Microsoft 365 or Outlook.com. All of

14:55

that stuff is online. If this

14:57

PC and everything in this office

14:59

disappears... Touchwood, please don't steal my

15:02

PC. Everything is somewhere else. All

15:04

my photos again are on my

15:06

iPad. The data that I store

15:09

on the NAS drive is backed

15:11

up off-site. I have a recovery

15:13

mechanisms for that. In fact I

15:15

have... primary version here I have

15:18

a backup version here I have

15:20

a backup version offside there are

15:22

three copies of it at all

15:24

time one geographically remote like there's

15:27

there's always a way to get

15:29

stuff back do you still have

15:31

the encryption keys the backups there

15:34

there's a good question so I

15:36

do regularly check that as well

15:38

I'd like to not have to

15:40

find out not under duress anyway

15:43

Matthew says 38 C is fine

15:45

it's a humidity that'll be more

15:47

wary of. I'm glad you mentioned

15:49

that. What's a humidity like at

15:52

the moment? So the humidity in

15:54

the garage itself is 62%. I've

15:56

got these little Akara zigby temperature

15:59

senses all through the house. So

16:01

I have way more information than

16:03

I need. The serverac is currently...

16:05

that's at 35% so I think

16:08

35% seems pretty reasonable. Now just

16:10

for context if I look at

16:12

my Davis weather station on the

16:14

roof of the house the humidity

16:17

yesterday was up to 87% and

16:19

it's often up to 95% it

16:21

often gets really really high here

16:24

because we're subtropical. So no I

16:26

think we're fine on that front.

16:29

So stay tuned Monday we'll figure

16:31

out whether that works on it.

16:33

Let's talk about something a little

16:35

bit more more infosecke age verification

16:37

now I'm really interested in this

16:39

for a combination of both selfish

16:41

reasons and I guess just as

16:43

an industry challenge and maybe Maybe

16:45

we look at it in the

16:47

broader capacity of even identity verification.

16:49

So how do we verify? Something

16:51

is what they say they are.

16:53

Now, show that word carefully, because

16:55

it's not just is someone who

16:57

they say they are, but remember

16:59

extended validation certificates. Remember when they

17:01

are a thing. I know they're

17:03

still a thing, but you don't

17:05

get any of the visual indicators

17:07

and things that you got. Geez,

17:09

when they all start disappearing five

17:11

years ago, probably? as an organization

17:13

running a website. You go through

17:15

a series of identity proofs and

17:17

you get a certificate and you

17:19

put it on your website and

17:21

then not only do you get

17:23

all the HCDPS and the padlock,

17:25

but you get the green bar

17:27

that used to say, you're bank.

17:29

Inc or whatever it may be.

17:31

And you would know that when

17:33

you went to that website, it's

17:35

your bank.inc and there are all

17:37

sorts of problems which is why

17:39

that disappeared and you no longer

17:41

see any of the indicators. effectively

17:43

behind the veneer of the browser

17:45

and does the same thing, you

17:47

just pay money for it. It

17:49

didn't. work. We just simply didn't

17:51

have a good model for identity

17:53

verification of the service you're connecting

17:55

to. Now as for the service,

17:57

we still don't have a good

17:59

model for going the other way

18:02

around. When I say good model,

18:04

we don't have any standardized reproducible

18:06

mechanism, especially across jurisdictions. In Australia

18:08

we have myGov ID, which I

18:10

think now that is called my

18:12

ID. But there is an enrollment

18:14

process where you go and register

18:16

for the government and you've got

18:18

to provide common Asia like passports

18:20

and driver's licenses and birth certificates

18:22

and all sorts of things and

18:24

then you get this ID, which

18:26

of course you then need to

18:28

log into so you have all

18:30

the risks of potential theft of

18:32

that account like any other online

18:34

account. That's not how it works

18:36

in America and it's not how

18:38

it works in Asia. There are

18:40

different models there because they're tied

18:42

to the government as the authenticator

18:44

of the identity. And then there's

18:46

the age thing. So identity aside,

18:48

you know, I am this exact

18:50

person living in this location with

18:52

these attributes, there's a question of

18:54

not just age, but perhaps even

18:56

the higher level concept of am

18:58

I above a certain age? So

19:00

am I above either 16 or

19:02

18? We'll talk about both these

19:04

examples in a moment. Now in

19:06

that case, you don't need to

19:08

know necessarily my name or my

19:10

location or my gender or anything

19:12

like that, but you do need

19:14

to know is the person. of

19:16

a given age. And the reason

19:18

why I'm becoming particularly interested in

19:20

this at the moment, and this

19:22

will be an interesting year, is

19:24

because our government here in Australia

19:26

has passed a law that as

19:28

of late 2025, you will need

19:30

to be 16 years old, plus

19:32

to use social media. So imagine

19:34

that. Twitter, Snapchat, Instagram, like you

19:36

know the things. You need to

19:38

be 16 years old. And there's

19:40

a whole other discussion I've talked

19:42

about here before. around why they're

19:44

doing that and there's a lot

19:46

of things there I do agree

19:48

with. I say this with a

19:51

15 year old son. who will

19:53

be 16 before this passes into

19:55

law, so he's good. And with

19:57

a 12-year-old daughter who will be

19:59

13 before this passes into law.

20:01

And 13, of course, is when

20:03

legally, well, at least based on

20:05

terms and conditions, you can get

20:07

your social media accounts. On his

20:09

13th birthday, I went through all

20:11

of the social things with my

20:13

son and got him set up

20:15

the right way. Strong passwords, multifactor,

20:17

all the good stuff. And the

20:19

plan was to do that with

20:21

my daughter, but of course she'll

20:23

get it. And then a few

20:25

months later this law will come

20:27

into effect and theoretically will be

20:29

taken away. And again, I understand

20:31

why our government has passed this

20:33

because I see the level of

20:35

addiction that kids have to devices

20:37

and that the sort of the

20:39

argument is that if you take

20:41

it away from everyone who is

20:43

under 16, there's no peer pressure

20:45

and everything else. And I think

20:47

that that is a very... Noble

20:49

but simplistic view of how the

20:51

technology works. The reality of it

20:53

is now with my daughter at

20:55

12 and even a year ago

20:57

so many of her friends have

20:59

Snapchat for example. Well they have

21:01

TikTok or Instagram and I was

21:03

always adamant that no you're not

21:05

going to get it yet. You're

21:07

not going to have these yet.

21:09

You have an iPhone, you have

21:11

I message. You have ways of

21:13

communicating with your friends without it

21:15

being opened up to the world

21:17

of all the other external influences

21:19

and randos and weirdos and things

21:21

on the internet contacting you. And

21:23

then when you get to 13

21:25

you'll get those and we'll have

21:27

lots of other discussions about how

21:29

to use social media. So that's

21:31

always been the view but I've

21:33

had to sort of go look

21:35

I know a lot of your

21:37

friends have got this but you're

21:40

not going to get it until

21:42

this point and she's actually been

21:44

really good with it. When I

21:46

explained the new law. She

21:48

literally cried, like, literally cried. And

21:51

it kinda... Where I ended up

21:53

with her, as I said, I

21:55

too, I'll do your deal, because

21:57

I don't know how they're going

21:59

to roll out yet. I said,

22:01

I promise you, you will have

22:04

the same things as the majority

22:06

of your friends, which I thought

22:08

was a good way of putting

22:10

it. If the majority of your

22:12

friends still have social media after

22:14

this, you will have it. If

22:16

the majority of them don't, you

22:19

won't. And I said that because

22:21

I suspect the majority of them

22:23

will, because I don't see how

22:25

this is going to work, and

22:27

we'll talk about the problems with

22:29

it in a moment. Everyone parents

22:32

would differently, but my view of

22:34

it is I don't want my

22:36

kids to be ostracized from the

22:38

social norms, because particularly for things

22:40

like social media, this is where

22:42

a lot of them congregate IRL

22:45

activities as well. Certainly for our

22:47

son, so much of what he

22:49

organises with his friend groups is

22:51

via Snapchat. Now imagine all of

22:53

his mates had Snapchat and he

22:55

didn't. He's going to get left

22:58

out of a lot of in-person

23:00

things. not just online things. Conversely,

23:02

I see even via message, I

23:04

message, the conversations my daughter has

23:06

with some of her friends and

23:08

like the other day we were

23:11

on the snow and Oslo and

23:13

her phone rings via a watch

23:15

and it's one of her friends

23:17

saying could you please block this

23:19

other person? And I'm like, what's

23:21

this about? She's, oh, these two

23:23

people are having an argument and

23:26

this person... is looking for support

23:28

to block this person. It's like,

23:30

you know, that's just literally bullying,

23:32

right? Like, tell this person that's

23:34

not on. The point is, you

23:36

can see how particularly using online

23:39

technologies, be they social media or

23:41

even eye message, there are these

23:43

problems that are created. So again,

23:45

I get the sentiment. Now, let's

23:47

talk about the technology, because how

23:49

do you actually implement this? So

23:52

how do you make sure? As

23:54

a social media platform the governance

23:56

position is we've set the law

23:58

that's up to the social media

24:00

platforms to go and implement it.

24:02

The law is come I don't

24:05

know what that it will be,

24:07

I think it'll be about November.

24:09

Let's say it's the first November.

24:11

Come the first November, you cannot

24:13

let people under 16 in Australia

24:15

use your platform. Good luck. I'm

24:17

already, how do we do that?

24:20

So let's talk about the options.

24:22

One option is, I'm going to

24:24

give you an example here. I'll

24:26

paste it into the chat. What

24:29

are my favorite beers? Pirate Life

24:31

Beer. If you don't even need

24:33

to type, ah, copy and paste

24:35

it on there now. You go

24:37

to piratelife.com that are you. And

24:39

the website says, you must be

24:41

at least 18 plus to enter.

24:43

And there's a button. It says,

24:45

I am 18 years of age

24:47

or older. Cool, here's the beer.

24:49

Like that's it. Now that is

24:51

one way of doing age. verification,

24:53

I'm quoting this for air quoting

24:55

it for people listening later, it's

24:57

very much an honesty system I

24:59

guess, that the position that I've

25:01

seen represented by the Australian government

25:03

is that there needs to be

25:05

reasonable measures and this is not

25:07

sufficient. Now of course the social

25:09

media platforms already have... an age

25:11

verification system which is you need

25:13

to enter your date of birth

25:16

when you sign up. In fact

25:18

one of the things are so

25:20

long lamented is we have so

25:22

many dates of birth in data

25:24

breaches and I'll load a data

25:26

breach and it's like a cat

25:28

forum or something and there's everyone's

25:30

date of birth in there which

25:32

of course is used for identity

25:34

verification in many other contexts. You

25:36

bank calls you up, I want

25:38

to talk about your account, just

25:40

confirm your date of date of

25:42

birth. Just confirm your date of

25:44

your date of birth. And then

25:46

I say, well, you know, so

25:48

it's copper, the Child Online Protection

25:50

Act, you know, we need to

25:52

make sure that you're 13 or

25:54

older. All right, well, do the

25:56

beer thing, just ask. Don't stand

25:58

still at the data. So,

26:00

at the moment the social media

26:02

platforms ask for date of birth,

26:04

inevitably this is why a lot

26:07

of my daughter's friends have these

26:09

social media platforms when they're well

26:11

under 13 because they just simply

26:13

lie about their age. Fun tangential

26:15

story, a good friend of mine,

26:17

has a daughter, it's a couple

26:19

of daughters, who are extraordinarily intelligent

26:21

and they're now well into adulthood,

26:23

but when they were 11, 12

26:25

years old, 12 years old. One

26:27

of them in particular built up

26:29

a very active social media platform,

26:31

obviously lied about her age in

26:33

order to get access to it,

26:35

and did some really amazing things

26:37

via her Twitter account, like exceptional

26:39

things. And when she was of

26:41

sufficient age, she put in her

26:43

correct date of birth, gone. An

26:45

entire thing gone. Because she lied.

26:48

And in those terms and conditions

26:50

that none of us read, there

26:52

was probably something like, if you

26:54

lie about your age, and we

26:56

can kill your account. So one

26:58

of the reasons I've been really

27:00

adamant about not lying about ages

27:02

on social media accounts is you

27:04

just never know how valuable it

27:06

will become and What might happen

27:08

if they find out later on?

27:10

So anyway the the whole idea

27:12

about just asking for a day

27:14

to birth clearly is going to

27:16

work So how do we reliably

27:18

verify identity? And this isn't just

27:20

for people's rephrase it How do

27:22

we reliably verify age which of

27:24

course is tied to verifying identity

27:27

because you need some sort of

27:29

a proof that's going to be

27:31

tied to you? So how do

27:33

we do this? Not just for

27:35

people under 16, but for everybody

27:37

else. So let's say it's my

27:39

son who will be 16 before

27:41

the 1st of November. Now he

27:43

could just as easily, based on

27:45

his browsing habits and the way

27:47

he uses the technology and everything,

27:49

he could just as easily be

27:51

15, come the 1st of November.

27:53

How's he going to prove this?

27:55

And not just that, but how's

27:57

everybody else going to pay? How

27:59

am I going to prove it?

28:01

I am... in the second half

28:03

of my 40s. I've had things

28:05

like, geez, you can see how

28:08

long I've had Twitter for. Was

28:10

it like 2008 or something like

28:12

that? Was it? Yeah, arguably, I

28:14

am over 16. 2008. Right, so

28:16

April 2008. So I've had Twitter

28:18

for 17 years. I literally just

28:20

had to do the mass again.

28:22

Holy shit, 17 years. I cannot

28:24

be less than 16. Assuming I

28:26

didn't just take over someone's account.

28:29

But inevitably I and particularly a

28:31

whole bunch of folks have been

28:33

on there a lot less time

28:35

in her a lot younger are

28:38

going to need to do identity

28:40

verification. So how are we going

28:42

to do that? We do not

28:44

as an industry have a good

28:46

standardized model and we do not

28:48

as a nation have a good

28:50

standardized model. Not one that is,

28:52

let's say socially acceptable. Now I

28:54

mentioned before we've got my ID,

28:56

which is our government ID identity

28:58

verification. There's a lot of speculation

29:00

about whether that may be the

29:03

strong identity, not perfect, but strong

29:05

identity verification, which is then used

29:07

in order to sign up to

29:09

the platforms. I'm not sure how

29:11

my 16 year old son will

29:13

do that. He will get his

29:15

learner's permit on his 16th birthday

29:17

in Australia. You can start driving

29:19

with your parents teaching at 16.

29:21

Obviously he has all sorts of

29:23

other government records, birth certificate, passport,

29:25

this sort of stuff. He doesn't

29:28

yet have the mechanism to actually

29:30

log on and verify on identity

29:32

anyway. And even if he could,

29:34

is that the way you want

29:36

to do it? Like do you

29:38

want to tie a government identity

29:40

as a prerequisite to accessing a

29:42

social media account? Now I chose

29:44

the words carefully there. I'm not

29:46

necessarily saying that you would have

29:48

to tie an IRL government identity.

29:51

to an online persona because you

29:53

don't necessarily need to maintain that

29:55

relation. after the identity proof. One

29:57

of the arguments people are making

29:59

is, well, some platforms require IRL

30:01

identities, I'm not sure, I think

30:03

Facebook stands somewhere along the lines

30:05

of your kind of parody accounts,

30:07

that sort of thing. Let's say

30:09

it's, let's say it's Tiktok, I'm

30:11

guessing it, because I'm not a

30:13

big Tiktok user, I have my

30:16

flag in the ground for my

30:18

account, but that's about it. If

30:20

you want to have, you know,

30:22

fluffy cat... as you use the

30:24

name and you want to be

30:26

anonymous and you don't want to

30:28

tie an identity to it. How

30:30

do you then feel about having

30:32

to show some sort of government

30:34

ID to prove aid to get

30:36

you into there? And you know

30:38

we're talking about Australia which is

30:41

a pretty progressive modern Western democracy

30:43

but when we extend this logic

30:45

to other parts of the world

30:47

when particularly you might be of

30:49

a demographic which is persecuted by

30:51

the government, how do you feel

30:53

about that? Because when we look

30:55

at the broader picture beyond just

30:57

Australia, how do you have... proof

30:59

of age and privacy and that

31:01

leads us to the porn hub

31:03

thing which is a good good

31:06

segue because it's the same topic

31:08

now I'm gonna find the Tweet

31:10

yes, there's a good story on

31:12

404 media Joseph Cox and co

31:14

there writing about how Let me

31:16

just read the headlines here porn

31:18

hub is now blocked in almost

31:20

all of the US South so

31:22

many states in the US The

31:24

passing legislation, which is similar to

31:26

our situation in Australia with social

31:28

media, where you need to be

31:31

a certain age to access certain

31:33

services. Now, what a bunch of

31:35

these states have said, Virginia, Montana,

31:37

North Carolina, Kansas, Idaho, Kansas, Indiana,

31:39

Idaho, Kansas, Indiana, Alabama, Oklahoma, Florida,

31:41

Tennessee, South Carolina. Adult websites operating

31:43

in these states, I mean, you're

31:45

on the internet. Of course, you're

31:47

operating in these states. You're operating

31:49

in these states. You're operating in

31:51

these states. prove that the user

31:53

is 18 before they use the

31:56

service. Now the way it works

31:58

at present, I did some research

32:00

on this. Why it works at

32:02

present is screen cap this and

32:04

put it on one of my

32:06

tweets. Is you go to a

32:08

four mentioned adult website and it

32:10

says, this is an adult website.

32:12

This website contains age restricted materials

32:14

including nudity and explicit depictions of

32:16

sexual activity by entering. You affirm

32:19

that you are at least 18

32:21

years of age. or the age

32:23

of majority in the jurisdiction you

32:25

are accessing the website from and

32:27

you consent to viewing sexually explicit

32:29

content and then there's a great

32:31

big yellow button and this is

32:33

a screen cap by the way

32:35

there's no way I'm showing that

32:37

on this yeah anyway I am

32:39

18 or older enter I am

32:41

18 I'm under 18 rather exit

32:44

and that's it that's the way

32:46

it works everywhere except for those

32:48

states So in those states, I've

32:50

be pinned into Texas just to

32:52

see what it does. I'm not

32:54

going to read the whole thing,

32:56

but it says like, dear user,

32:58

as you may know, your elected

33:00

officials in Texas is your fault,

33:02

you elected them, your elected officials

33:04

in Texas are requiring us to

33:06

verify your age before allowing you

33:09

access to our website. And it

33:11

goes on here and it gets

33:13

a bit heated. And I'm poor,

33:15

who'd have thought it. Who'd have

33:17

thought it. I'll read this parrot.

33:19

Unfortunately, the Texas Law for Age

33:21

Reification is ineffective, haphazard and dangerous.

33:23

Not only will it not actually

33:25

protect children, but it will also

33:27

inevitably reduce content creators' ability to

33:29

post and distribute legal adult content

33:31

and directly impact their ability to

33:34

share the artistic messages they want

33:36

to convey with it. It's not

33:38

porn, it's artistic messages. You mind

33:40

out of the gather. I'll talk

33:42

about that tomorrow, I can see

33:44

a bunch of comments, so I'm

33:46

just going to touch on those.

33:48

Funky Man, my son won't legally

33:50

be able to keep his channel.

33:52

He is Devo. Yeah, yeah. And

33:54

so Funky Manke, I think there's

33:56

a really interesting... discussion, it has

33:59

to happen here as well in

34:01

Australia, which is when you, you

34:03

could be up to three years

34:05

old, really phrase it, you could

34:07

have had your social media account

34:09

for up to three years by

34:11

the time this law comes into

34:13

effect and had it perfectly legally

34:15

built out something wonderful and valuable

34:17

and then our government says no

34:19

you got to take it away.

34:21

I'm not, I just can't see

34:24

that holding water. I just can't

34:26

see that getting through it. We'll

34:28

see it. I

34:30

have California pale ale in the

34:32

bridge at the moment, strong but

34:34

a good drop. If you like

34:37

strong but a good drop, try

34:39

that double IPA on the pirate

34:41

life. It is lovely. Mind you,

34:44

I have come back from a

34:46

month of travel and have not

34:48

been drinking anything, have been exercising

34:50

severely, eating fantastically, trying to recover

34:53

from a month of holiday. James

34:56

says, I don't give real age as

34:58

an adult. I don't trust them with

35:00

my information. Now, I agree with you,

35:02

and many people have said, look, every

35:04

time you sign up for someone that

35:06

asks for an age, you should lie.

35:09

Now, I don't have a problem with

35:11

that. Anecdotally, there is, when I look

35:13

at data breaches of ages, there is

35:15

a massive skew of dates of birth

35:17

that are first of January. You need

35:19

to remember the lies you have told

35:21

to whom... and you need to decide

35:23

whether or not it's a lie that's

35:25

going to get you into trouble later

35:27

on. And what I mean by that

35:30

is if at some point in time

35:32

you were asked for the date of

35:34

birth you entered as a verification question,

35:36

you need to remember what it was.

35:38

If it is something that does then

35:40

tie into something like your driver's license

35:42

or your passport or something like that

35:44

and things don't line up, you have

35:46

a problem. Now I'm not worried about

35:48

that with like cat forum, but, so

35:51

I don't keep in mind. Wayne

35:54

says I've had a lot of chats

35:56

with my 13 year old son about

35:58

social media, he doesn't use any of

36:00

it and doesn't seem bothered. problem solved

36:02

now so long as you can do

36:04

that for another three years you'll be

36:06

fine if you're in Australia which I

36:08

honestly find amazing in this day and

36:10

age yeah I wonder if his social

36:12

groups are of the same view so

36:15

no one worries about it which is

36:17

kind of what our PM is trying

36:19

to get us to you know that

36:21

and I do agree with him here

36:23

which is it I'll continue my try

36:25

and I thought that there There is

36:27

a lot of feeling among parents that

36:29

social media, particularly for kids that age,

36:31

is it just a massive distraction, creates

36:33

a lot of negative behaviours, and is

36:36

detrimental. Now of course there are other

36:38

positive sides. When Charlotte and I were

36:40

talking this this morning as we were

36:42

doing our AK walk to a cover

36:44

from the holiday, where she said, I

36:46

think it's something to the effect of,

36:48

you know, it was a shame when

36:50

we were away and our son still

36:52

had Snapchat and his... you know he's

36:54

seeing the things that he's missing out

36:56

on at home and I was like

36:59

yeah there's that but also remember when

37:01

he was like you know trying on

37:03

jumpers in a store and he's taking

37:05

photos of it asking his mates you

37:07

know what do you think about this

37:09

and they're like yeah that's awesome going

37:11

get it or when he's skiing or

37:13

dirt biking and sending photos that back

37:15

home and people like wow that's really

37:17

cool and where he doesn't feel like

37:20

he's disconnect like there's a scale here

37:22

here there's a scale here and I

37:24

think a scale here and I think

37:26

a lot of it is a lot

37:28

of it is a the ups and

37:30

the downs and then what's the social

37:32

norm among their peer groups as well.

37:34

That's my feeling. Funky Mark, I think

37:36

this is a way for the Gov

37:38

to leverage in their digital passport idea.

37:40

Now this is one of the arguments

37:43

that's being made. I get to spend

37:45

a lot of time with law enforcement

37:47

particular, but a lot of people in

37:49

government as well, and talking about cyber

37:51

security stuff and data breaches and data

37:53

breaches and all this sort of thing.

37:55

And honestly, I never get the feeling

37:57

that there is ulterior motives for things

37:59

like this. I think the Occam's razor...

38:01

So the simplest explanation, to be the

38:04

most likely one, is that there is

38:06

a lot of concern among parents about

38:08

what social media does, especially to younger

38:10

children. Charlotte was always making the point

38:12

before you say, go and have a

38:14

look at how many like facial products

38:16

and bottles of different solutions there are

38:18

in our 12-year-old daughter's shower. She is

38:20

influenced by all the things she sees

38:22

to want to go and get these,

38:24

and a lot of that comes from

38:27

what she sees as she sees online.

38:29

But then I'm like, yeah, but

38:32

then we had ads on TV

38:34

when I was a kid. And

38:36

also she doesn't have social media

38:38

yet. So she's seeing it from

38:40

somewhere else. Regardless, it does reinforce

38:43

a lot of negative stereotypes and

38:45

so on and so forth. So

38:47

I guess my point is, yes,

38:49

funky monk, my point is that

38:52

I think that at face value

38:54

there is a lot of legitimacy

38:56

to what Elba in this case

38:58

was saying in his... in his

39:01

press conferences about this law. I

39:03

think that there are many other

39:05

levers that will drive people towards

39:07

implementing the my ID model anyway.

39:09

And I haven't seen the figures,

39:12

but I would imagine that adoption

39:14

rate is ticking up fairly fairly

39:16

rapidly because we are a more

39:18

digitally native generation and the older

39:21

folks are passing onto their... Yeah,

39:24

anyway, they're moving on

39:26

so we would have

39:28

more adoption. There are

39:30

more services online I

39:32

don't know that the

39:35

government necessarily Gains a

39:37

lot by forcing people

39:39

to use a digital

39:41

identity to prove an

39:44

age to Social media

39:46

beyond what is represented

39:48

at face value That's

39:50

just my two cents

39:54

You've still got the problem I have

39:56

and you've still got the problem if

39:58

you sell the token where do you

40:01

do the age verification? You're always just

40:03

sort of moving the problem to a

40:05

different area. Is it the government identity

40:08

that we do the age verification or

40:10

is it the store where you buy

40:12

the token? There's got to be some

40:15

point. James says his lies going to

40:17

the password manager is coming back to

40:19

lying about day-to-birth. Good way to do

40:22

it. I do that with all my

40:24

security questions when I get asked for

40:26

what town you're born in and I

40:29

generate a three-word random phrase. That goes

40:31

into the password manager. Wayne says I've

40:33

asked him, there's a 13 year old

40:36

son who's not bother about social, if

40:38

people use Snapchat etc. He says they

40:40

do, but he's never wanted to install

40:43

it. Good stuff. Scott's here, huge opportunity

40:45

for someone like Apple to do age

40:47

verification, then provide that assertion to services

40:50

absent a private way. Yeah, now I

40:52

think you're right mate. I've seen a

40:54

number of people mention this where at

40:57

least someone like Apple is carving out

40:59

a niche as a privacy-centric organization. If

41:01

I could do... age verification on here

41:04

and Tim Pinky promised that when you

41:06

go to a service there'd be some

41:08

sort of cryptographic token that was passed

41:11

from the secure enclave the device that

41:13

merely gave confirmation of age that would

41:15

be really useful. I won't show what

41:18

it looks like because my driver's license

41:20

but our digital driver's licenses we have

41:22

the ability to share just age verification

41:25

so if you're going into a pub.

41:27

This doesn't happen to me anymore, but

41:29

if you're going to a pub and

41:32

they're like, we need to see that

41:34

you're 18 first, show us your licence.

41:36

You can literally show a QR code

41:39

with an image and an over 18

41:41

sign above it. They can either just

41:43

look at the image and the image

41:46

and the over 18 sign above it.

41:48

They can either just look at the

41:50

image and the over 18 and go,

41:53

the porn hub situation and the social

41:55

media thing. Just looking for, are you

41:57

of that? minimum age, if so go

42:00

through. and doing it on device and

42:02

trusting it to Apple and Google has

42:04

different motives but you know that covers

42:07

the two big ones seems like it'll

42:09

be a good step in the right

42:11

direction Wayne says isn't this a little

42:14

like the books are bad rock and

42:16

roll is bad gaming is bad kids

42:18

watching too much TV I think this

42:21

kind of leads to the discussion

42:23

of shouldn't this be parental responsibility

42:25

so yes there are Things about

42:27

social media which are negative, but

42:29

there are things about Kids hanging

42:31

out at shopping centers and you

42:34

know, maybe having a beer which

42:36

are bad Yeah, yeah, there are

42:38

and you have those discussions with

42:40

them There are many many arguments

42:42

that this should be a parental

42:44

responsibility rather than something implemented by

42:47

the government And even if you

42:49

did lock those social media accounts

42:51

down And like I said, I've

42:53

seen from my daughter and her

42:55

friends some of the stuff they're

42:58

doing just on eye message is

43:00

clearly in that cyber bullying space.

43:02

And then as it relates to

43:04

things like the porn hub situation,

43:06

it takes seconds to flick your

43:08

VPN on and be in Texas

43:11

in order to get this message.

43:13

And if you're in Texas, it

43:15

takes seconds to flick it to

43:17

be in California and not see

43:19

this message, which I just find

43:21

crazy at a state-by-state level. But

43:24

America. And then someone said, well,

43:26

it should be done federally. Like,

43:28

yeah, but it takes seconds to

43:30

then exit through Prague or, you

43:32

know, somewhere like that. Australia, we

43:35

don't have this at the moment.

43:37

So the circumvention is so easy.

43:39

And I don't know if there

43:41

are other adult websites that are

43:43

implementing the same thing as porn

43:45

hub. Maybe it's them because they're

43:48

the big one that everybody knows.

43:50

But their argument here is that

43:52

people will just go to other

43:54

adult. What do they say, adult

43:56

artistic creators or something? Who don't

43:58

implement these controls? And that's... It's

44:01

going to be the big ones

44:03

that the governments go after first.

44:05

And it seems that the whole

44:07

thing here about protecting kids again

44:09

sort of comes back to parental

44:12

responsibility. It is, during some of

44:14

my research in data breaches, it

44:16

is fascinating how easy it is

44:18

to find adult content even by

44:20

being in major platforms and just

44:22

searching for the right things. Take

44:25

the social media stuff out of

44:27

it, take the dedicated adult websites,

44:29

it's so easy to find content.

44:31

And the fascinating thing about this,

44:33

like let's take the social media

44:36

situation. At the moment, we're really

44:38

just having a debate in Australia

44:40

about a three-year gap. At the

44:42

moment it's 13, it's implemented by

44:44

the social media platforms, it's going

44:46

to be 16 implemented by the

44:49

government. Let's say for the sake

44:51

of simplicity, there is another 80

44:53

years after that 16 of age

44:55

groups of people. We'll go up

44:57

to 96. Apologies for anyone over

44:59

that listen to this and feeling

45:02

ostracized. And you're saying for the

45:04

sake of this three-year age gap,

45:06

or in the case of the

45:08

adult stuff, the five-year age gap,

45:10

we're going to put a burden

45:13

on the other 80%, which is

45:15

not just a burden or a

45:17

barrier to entry, but it's a

45:19

burden on privacy. And

45:21

that just seems a little bit

45:23

nuts, particularly when, even if it

45:26

is done exactly the way the

45:28

governments in both of these cases

45:30

would like it to be done,

45:32

it's so easily circumvented. It just

45:34

feels like the wrong problem. There's

45:37

another screen to the porn hub

45:39

message here. Safety of Air is

45:41

one of the biggest concerns. We

45:43

believe that the only effective solution

45:45

for protecting minors and adults alike

45:48

is to verify users' age on

45:50

their device, which is Scott's point.

45:52

and to either deny or allow

45:54

access to age restrict material and

45:57

websites based on the verification. Now,

45:59

in a way, they're sort of

46:01

taking the easy way out here

46:03

too, because they're going, let's make

46:05

it Apple's problem. Well, let's get

46:08

Apple. to solve this and then

46:10

it's not our problem. But the

46:12

thing is also, I haven't quite

46:14

seen the way that the legislation

46:17

is worded in these various states

46:19

in the US, but it seems

46:21

to be very much about you

46:23

need to have sufficient, sufficient controls.

46:25

or reasonable controls, or things like

46:28

this, which then seems to be

46:30

very much left up to the

46:32

individual services. It puts a massive

46:34

burden that needs to be replicated

46:36

across all of these different platforms.

46:39

So I do agree with their

46:41

logic here about wouldn't it be

46:43

good if you could do this

46:45

at the device level? Now they've

46:48

got a little footnote here. Where

46:50

they say device-based age verification refers

46:52

to any approach to age verification

46:54

where the person information that is

46:56

used to verify the user's age

46:59

is either shared in person at

47:01

an authorized retailer, inputted locally into

47:03

the user's device, or stored on

47:05

a network controlled by device manufacturer

47:08

or the supplier of the device's

47:10

operating system. So again, does put

47:12

a lot of responsibility back onto

47:14

the other platforms. I don't know.

47:16

One other thing here. The EFF

47:19

had a post because it was

47:21

very topical at the moment. Parts

47:23

of which I agreed with, parts

47:25

of which I didn't. So the

47:27

EFF wrote Global Age Verification Measures

47:30

2024 in review. Which are the

47:32

bits I didn't agree with? They've

47:34

said here no study shows such

47:36

harmful impact. There's kids on social

47:39

media. So no study shows harmful

47:41

impact to social media and kids

47:43

don't need to fall into a

47:45

wormhole of internet content to experience

47:47

harm There's a whole world outside

47:50

the barriers of the internet that

47:52

contribute to people's experiences and all

47:54

evidence suggests that many young people

47:56

experience positive outcomes from social media

47:59

And what I don't like about

48:01

this is it sort of it's

48:03

almost like It's not just social

48:05

media. That's harmful. There are snakes

48:07

and snakes There are other things

48:10

that are harmful, so why focus

48:12

on social media? And it almost

48:14

feels like a recognition that there

48:16

are definitely harms from social media,

48:18

even if we haven't sufficiently quantified

48:21

it in the study, which you

48:23

have to imagine would be very

48:25

hard to quantify. But there's other

48:27

things that are harmful as well.

48:30

I kind of feel like that's...

48:32

it feels a little bit like

48:34

this is written by some of

48:36

our kids. But the bit that

48:38

I did really like here is

48:41

that I've got a headline which

48:43

says the scramble to find an

48:45

effective age verification method shows there

48:47

isn't one. So yeah. Comments. Simon,

48:54

how much is age revocation cost? Yeah,

48:56

good question. Scott says, even if the

48:58

app just asked for an age check

49:01

permission, wouldn't need more than that. A

49:03

bit like your driver's license check. I

49:05

think where we're sort of going here

49:07

is if the device, let me see

49:10

what I can share here for my

49:12

driver's license thing. One of the confusing

49:14

things here is if I search for

49:16

driver's license, it won't find it. You're

49:19

in the post office, you're having to

49:21

prove your identity before you pick up

49:23

your package, and you're looking for drivers,

49:25

won't find it. You've got to look

49:28

for license because under digital license. So

49:30

if I get a digital license here,

49:32

I can face a day my way

49:34

into it. International driving, driving outside of

49:36

Australia, you can now switch your digital

49:39

license app to show international classes. Go

49:41

to settings and select international driving classes.

49:43

Oh, that's cool. Oh, look like that

49:45

later. Right, so I can go to

49:48

driver's license, I can say share driver's

49:50

license and I can say prove I'm

49:52

over 18, consent required. You're about to

49:54

share your information with a third party

49:57

who may retain it, do your consent?

49:59

Yes. and then I won't show you

50:01

what's on the screen but it's like

50:03

my photo a big green tick says

50:06

over 18 and then there's a QR

50:08

code and someone with a verifier app

50:10

and every driver's license app is also

50:12

a verify I can scan the QR

50:14

code and it will come back and

50:17

it will also show my photo an

50:19

over 18. Needs connectivity because it goes

50:21

to a server and it pulls back

50:23

the same data. That is a good

50:26

enough model. It's not going to be

50:28

perfect every time, but it's a good

50:30

enough model. Interestingly, these QR codes rotate

50:32

too, so they've only got a validity

50:35

period of, think like, 30 or 60

50:37

seconds, after which they don't work anymore.

50:39

So you can't just screen cap it

50:41

and replay it later on. Now, your

50:44

device, natively within iOS, had something like

50:46

this such that when you went to

50:48

Pornhub for argument's sake, you, I'm thinking

50:50

through this, so I say it, because

50:53

you're incognito and you're on a I

50:55

understand that's what people do. And then

50:57

your browser needs to share something that

50:59

is personal about... You can see where

51:01

the rub comes. James says, I imagine

51:04

kids downloading a pirate's version of apps

51:06

with a VPN built-in. Also with malware,

51:08

it's going to suck just like VPN

51:10

company. Court selling access to users network.

51:13

Wayne says in the UK there is

51:15

no set AIDS that it's legal to

51:17

leave your child at home. It's left

51:19

to the parents to decide on the

51:22

maturity level of the child. And we

51:24

come back to parents taking responsibility to

51:26

decide this and for various reasons yes

51:28

this is something that I spent quite

51:31

some time looking at a few years

51:33

ago. And it's pretty much the same.

51:35

It's like you know what's what's reasonable

51:37

based on the parents decision and you

51:39

know how long a maturity kids and

51:42

all these other variables. So

51:44

Wayne says why can't they just apply

51:47

to social media not to similar to

51:49

when you allow your child to go

51:51

out on their own? It's parents judgment

51:53

I Think the argument there is Have

51:55

you seen some parents? You know like

51:58

leaving parents to make that decision Yeah

52:01

and I'd also say that part

52:03

of the problem here is that

52:05

I don't think parents in general

52:07

grasp technology particularly well given I

52:09

remember now it is it would

52:11

it would pretty much be 30

52:13

years to the day was the

52:15

first time I saw the internet

52:17

when I was an adult starting

52:19

university and so I grew up

52:21

without internet and many parents, again

52:23

I'm in the second half my

52:25

40s, many parents with kids of

52:27

that age are the same demographic

52:29

and many of them don't grasp

52:31

the technologies very well and they

52:33

don't grasp the ramifications of the

52:35

technologies very well. And I think

52:37

that's a lot of the argument,

52:39

like how much does the government

52:41

need to do to save children

52:44

from their own parents? It's messy,

52:46

we will see. I'm going to

52:48

move on because I've been going

52:50

for 52 minutes already. Mocking up

52:52

the Have A Been Poned redesigned.

52:54

So I tweeted just before about

52:56

Balsamic mock-ups. Now if you've never

52:58

seen Balsamic mock-ups before, I remember

53:00

using this quite a bit 10-15

53:02

years ago when I had a

53:04

real job in order to do

53:06

mock-ups of interfaces. And what I

53:08

always liked about Balsamic and I

53:10

put a tweet here that's got

53:12

a screen cap. is they look

53:14

like a sketch. And by looking

53:16

like a sketch, it caused you

53:18

not to focus on the minutiae

53:20

of like alignments of buttons and

53:22

colors and things like that, but

53:24

it's content and layout and flow.

53:26

Now we're redesigning, as I said

53:28

before, the brand of ever been

53:30

poned, the logos, the UX, and

53:33

part of that is the screens

53:35

and the flow of it. So

53:37

I've just been asking about, you

53:39

know, look, as Balcemic to the

53:41

good thing or other alternatives. I

53:43

think the consensus is balsamic is

53:45

probably still the best way to

53:47

go. A bunch of people suggested

53:49

figma, which I've heard mentioned before,

53:51

but it seems like figma goes

53:53

down a worm. hole of a

53:55

lot more detail than what we're

53:57

probably looking for. So I think

53:59

we're going to end up using

54:01

Balsamic to mock up everything from

54:03

a new experience on the front

54:05

page through to doing proper dashboards

54:07

for everything from your personal email

54:09

address searches through the API keys

54:11

and domain searches. So I've suggested

54:13

to Charlotte that would be a

54:15

fun thing for her to do.

54:17

Well I try and process 10

54:19

terabytes worth of steel logs. But

54:22

as we start to create mock-ups.

54:24

I'm going to do a blog

54:26

post and share a bunch of

54:28

this and just try and get

54:30

input from people because I've got

54:32

to, we've just got to improve

54:34

stuff that sat there for 11

54:36

years and not changed. So I

54:38

think it's going to be Bell

54:40

Summit. And then the very last

54:42

thing I have here, the Glamira

54:44

data breach. A lot of data

54:46

breach yesterday. I'd never heard of

54:48

Glamira. Glamira does jewelry. Looks like

54:50

we've got, how many people are

54:52

in here. I tweeted this just

54:54

yesterday. It was 875,000 or something.

54:56

Where's they ever been poned account?

54:58

It's something that happened in 2023.

55:00

It was only sent through to

55:02

me very recently. Now look, it's

55:04

just another one of these things.

55:06

It's been floating around for a

55:08

while. Here we go. Joy store

55:10

Glimier had 875,000 email addresses, breach

55:13

in late 2023. Data also included

55:15

name, phone number, and purchases. Six

55:17

eight percent of those already in

55:19

have been poned. So again, look,

55:21

it's one of those ones that's

55:23

been out there for a while,

55:25

it's been floating around, it was

55:27

low friction to load because I

55:29

found a reference here on Reddit

55:31

where someone went to Glamira and

55:33

they said, I'm unhappy, about this

55:35

data breach, and they came back

55:37

and gave a full statement. They

55:39

said, we have determined that an

55:41

unauthorized individual, they're usually unauthorized, unauthorized

55:43

individual, briefly accessed one of our

55:45

servers, one of our servers one

55:47

of our servers, one of our

55:49

servers, one of our servers, one

55:51

of our servers, one of our

55:53

servers, one of our servers, one

55:55

of our servers, one of our

55:57

servers, But they got 875,000 records.

56:00

Kind of interesting reading the read

56:02

it thread here Because this person

56:04

says I will be replying to

56:06

them citing Halliday versus creation consumer

56:08

finance them to 2013 and asking

56:10

for compensation in the region of

56:12

750 pounds Although I may accept

56:14

less if it settles out of

56:16

court Why do you know what

56:18

750 pounds for? Your name your

56:20

email address your phone number and

56:22

your purchases have been leaked how

56:24

did that cost you seven like

56:26

you're pissed I get that But

56:28

did it cost you £750? I

56:30

don't just have a big issue

56:33

with this. Anyway, Sam says, thoughts

56:35

on Apple to pay £95 million

56:37

to settle privacy lawsuit. Yeah, I

56:39

saw a headline about that. Apparently,

56:41

Syria's been listening to all sorts

56:43

of things. And I think, just

56:45

like this person who would settle

56:47

out of court for less, when

56:49

we see headlines about amounts paid.

56:51

There's probably a whole bunch of

56:53

other reasons for that. I have

56:55

not read the detail yet, so

56:57

I can't comment yet. I'll try

56:59

and get up to speed on

57:01

that. All right, that's silly now.

57:03

I'm going to wrap it up

57:05

there and go and enjoy The

57:07

Sun, which has now come back

57:09

out here. And yeah, enjoy a

57:11

bit about Ozzy Summer. Thanks folks.

57:13

I'll come back to you in

57:15

a week.