0:05

And this is one of

0:07

these most first world

0:09

problems, which is why I'm

0:11

a few minutes, a few

0:13

minutes, a few seconds

0:16

late. I've very, very much

0:18

like being on time, very

0:21

punctual. Coffee related

0:23

issue. I've added this

0:26

lovely ex-o-bar espresso

0:28

machine ever since...

0:30

I moved into this house nearly 10

0:33

years ago and I'm talking a

0:35

bit more about this house later

0:37

on when we get to the IOT

0:39

things because I want to

0:41

talk about switches, bits and

0:43

pieces. Anyway, had this machine

0:45

for about 10 years, it's been

0:47

great. I really want to get

0:50

a Senesso ES1. Drop this in

0:52

the chat. This thing looks epic. I

0:54

feel like it is one for my

0:56

audience. It looks amazing. It looks

0:58

amazing. It's got... LEDs and computers and

1:01

it's programmable and I'm sure it will

1:03

connect to things as well. And one

1:05

of the reasons I want this, and

1:08

there are many other machines that do what

1:10

I'm about to say, but one of the

1:12

reasons I want this is it is plumbed in

1:14

to the mains water. One of the other

1:16

reasons, amongst the many many reasons, is

1:18

you can just set it to run a

1:20

certain amount of water and produce just the

1:22

right yield over the right amount of the

1:25

right amount of time so I can press

1:27

the button. and then because I'm like micromanaging

1:29

every second of my life I can

1:31

go away and do other things and

1:33

it will stop at the right time.

1:35

But I wanted to be plumbed in

1:37

because what tends to happen with this other

1:39

machine, like just now, which is why I was

1:41

a little bit late, is I go to the

1:44

machine, pull the lever up, starts pouring my

1:46

lovely espresso, and then it stops because

1:48

it's out of water. Because there's a water

1:50

tank in there and there's a pressure switch

1:53

under it and once it gets light enough

1:55

because the water is nearly out It just

1:57

turns off the machine and it seems to

1:59

I'm sure psychology around this. It seems to

2:02

do it like right as I'm about to

2:04

go and like record a video or do

2:06

something where because I've left myself

2:08

like five milliseconds of buffer

2:10

right before something happens. So I'm very

2:12

excited about the idea of plumbing it

2:15

in. I've been looking at this machine

2:17

for a long time. It ain't cheap. I

2:19

have been assured that it is a

2:21

business expensive if it goes into our

2:23

office that apparently like it's launched in

2:25

the US. It was meant to come

2:27

out here in like September. there is

2:30

something non-compliant that has caused

2:32

Australian compliance bodies to

2:34

reject it. In fact, I think

2:36

what I heard was it was

2:39

something non-compliant about the Wi-Fi implementation.

2:41

Now if I can't get a

2:43

fancy coffee machine that plums into

2:45

the mains because the frickin' Wi-Fi

2:48

is not compatible, I don't know,

2:50

it's just, it's compliance

2:52

madness. Kristen, see you get a

2:54

question? Thomas, chili and dingy,

2:57

Birmingham, Birmingham, um... I am coming

2:59

back over your way. That is now, that is

3:01

now locked in. Last week I spoke

3:03

about thinking about doing some travel

3:05

back to Europe. I think the very

3:07

next day we locked it in. So

3:09

we are coming back to London. It's

3:11

going to be the end of March.

3:13

We will definitely be in London, because

3:15

we're flying into London. We'll definitely

3:17

be in Iceland. I got a

3:20

Reykjavik, see Stephen and hopefully some

3:22

of our friends in the Iceland

3:24

government over there. and we will

3:26

definitely be in Dublin as well.

3:28

And then summary and amongst there,

3:31

we'll try and get a couple

3:33

of days of downtime to see some

3:35

sites and try and run some

3:37

user groups or something similar. So

3:39

lining all of that up as we

3:42

go. I don't think I'll be

3:44

going to Birmingham, I've definitely been

3:46

to Birmingham. I think I've definitely

3:48

been pretty much everywhere in the

3:50

UK, except Northern Ireland is a

3:53

country. And it's like, no, it's

3:55

not a country. It's part of

3:57

the UK as an independent, whatever.

3:59

Anyway. I've got a line on

4:01

my map that goes to Birmingham. Part

4:04

of the reason I figured this out

4:06

the other day is I've still got

4:08

App in the air, which still works.

4:10

If you're not seeing App in

4:12

the air before. It's kind of cool.

4:14

It plugs in your trip, it gets

4:17

all of your flights, all of

4:19

your travel, and then it puts them

4:21

all on a big map. There go

4:23

Birmingham. Yeah. I have been there. Because

4:26

I've got a line on my map

4:28

that goes to Birmingham. I was doing

4:30

a workshop there I think. Seems

4:32

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to talk about passwords and pins

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and guilty histories and things later

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on as well. Saying guilty history

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as everyone else. I had pretty much

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And I remember doing a podcast at

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the very beginning of my public

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career. Let's call it that. All right, I

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remember who I did it with. And

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I had not given password managers much

5:48

thought at the time. I remember the

5:50

guy saying, how do you feel about

5:52

password managers? wasn't very enthusiastic about

5:55

it and then as I

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started analyzing data breaches I

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was like Um, can we redo that?

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I have a different view. And of

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course, since then it's been a big

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relationship with one password. They've got a

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lot of, a lot of have been

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poned bits integrated into there, a lot

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of poned password bits integrated into there,

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which is really, really cool. We've got

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that in sitting there in Watchtower. You've

6:18

got integration to see if your email

6:20

addresses appeared in data breaches. A lot

6:22

of those, and of course, they've been

6:24

sitting there as the only product placement

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on have been poned for... I want to

6:29

say about seven years, I feel like it

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was 2018, maybe earlier. To this day, the

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only company that's ever had

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product placement there. Now it is

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not just passwords, it's extended

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access management. So this is the

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same drum that we have been beating for

6:43

some time now around monitoring, particularly your

6:46

unmanaged devices. And obviously the challenge a

6:48

lot of companies have is they know

6:50

the things that they have that are

6:53

part of the corporate bill, that are

6:55

part of the corporate bill, that are

6:57

part of the standard operating environment

7:00

that's rolled out to everyone. It's all

7:02

the unmanaged stuff. And it's all the

7:04

other tails and trails of information that

7:07

people leave in other places, which is

7:09

extraordinarily hard. So extended access management came

7:11

by the collide acquisition. Another company

7:13

had a good relationship with, which is

7:16

nice. It's very convenient. If it was one

7:18

I didn't like, it would be awkward.

7:20

But no, they were fantastic. So ZAM,

7:22

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things actually I was talking to

7:43

one password about recently is

7:45

trying to draw some more direct

7:48

lines between some of the

7:50

data breaches we've seen and...

7:52

Unmanaged devices, weak credentials, the

7:54

sorts of things that the

7:56

product tackles directly. You can

7:59

imagine for... cyber security companies, I

8:01

think one of the challenges in

8:03

general they have is that when

8:06

people buy their product and it

8:08

works, nothing happens. Imagine you're

8:10

selling a product that allows

8:13

you to manage all of

8:15

your own managed devices and

8:17

understand your footprint and your

8:19

risk and your exposure and it

8:21

works exactly as it's intended.

8:23

As a result, nothing happens.

8:25

So that can be a hard sell

8:28

for a cyber security company. Mind

8:30

you, and this is not to

8:32

spend too much time harping this,

8:34

I think, because this will lead

8:36

us into the pin discussion later,

8:38

I think a password manager is

8:41

one of the rare times where

8:43

a cyber security tool actually

8:45

makes your life better when

8:47

everything works fine. Not just

8:50

when you've potentially had your

8:52

account taken over or something

8:54

like that, because it makes

8:56

it faster to log in. Who else

8:59

is here? Thomas can't blame me, blame

9:01

me for skipping, skipping, I'm Simon's

9:03

here, could I, Simon? Where you go

9:05

today? I was sitting here, I had a

9:07

very early start this morning for

9:09

various reasons. I don't want to

9:11

get into it. I was up

9:13

at 4 a.m. I ended up

9:15

sitting there at breakfast going on

9:18

to talk about today. What actually

9:20

happened? What actually happened? And then

9:22

I realized there are a bunch

9:24

of different interesting things. Good mix.

9:26

We've got some IT, we've got

9:29

some cyber security marketing spin, we've

9:31

got some spin analysis and

9:33

some Grafana stuff that it's just...

9:35

I think I said last week, one

9:37

of the challenges that I have, George

9:39

is in Austria, get I do George?

9:41

We're talking about going to Austria

9:43

the other day, because Charlotte has

9:46

never been to Austria. I have been

9:48

to Vienna in 2000 a long time ago.

9:50

I'm like, Harry, you should go to Austria.

9:52

It's cool. But then we've been

9:54

to Switzerland. Hope that doesn't

9:57

upset Austrians. It's similar,

9:59

similar. Griefana last week and

10:01

so one of the challenges I have in

10:03

life is I can't quite figure out when

10:05

my work starts and my hobby begins

10:07

because when I start playing with stuff

10:10

like Griefana I just totally geek

10:12

out and it's really cool and I

10:14

think the term I used to Charlotte

10:16

is I said Stephen is having a

10:19

nerdgism over Griefana at the moment and

10:21

Stephen tell me if I'm wrong but

10:23

I think that that's a reasonable explanation

10:25

based on the enthusiasm with the messages

10:28

you've been sending me. Let's

10:31

talk about IOT and I'll

10:33

share some never before shared

10:35

news of things that are

10:37

happening. Back in 2020 when

10:40

things got kind of weird

10:42

and none of this got

10:44

to go out anymore and

10:47

do interesting stuff and was

10:49

stuck at home the whole time

10:51

I got really really into

10:54

home assistant and home

10:56

automation in general. And a

10:58

lot of this started because all I wanted

11:01

to do was I wanted to ride my

11:03

bike home, talk to the lady on my

11:05

watch, and ask, I won't say her name,

11:07

because she'll start listening, and ask her to

11:10

open the garage door so I could ride

11:12

my bike in, because I wasn't carrying

11:14

the garage remote around with me. You

11:16

know, like I just wanted to ask,

11:18

magic IT, etc. etc. And... I

11:21

thought that would be simple, turn

11:23

out not to be, but it

11:25

eventually led me down this home

11:27

assistant route and just like with

11:29

3D printing not long after that

11:31

somehow I end up spending a lot

11:33

of my life doing these two

11:35

things because they're just tangential to

11:37

all the tech stuff that I do

11:39

and good fun. Now we have automated

11:41

so many things in the house, it's

11:43

ridiculous and for the most part it's

11:46

really good. There's lots of stuff on

11:48

the periphery which... where you know there's

11:50

1% of things that aren't working and

11:52

it bugs me and I'm working on improving

11:55

those but for most parts very good. Now one

11:57

of the things that is the most awesome and

11:59

I feel like I had to justify it

12:01

based on the Twitter put out the

12:03

other day for some people. One of

12:05

the most awesome things is having pretty

12:08

much every light in the house now

12:10

connected to home assistant and being able

12:12

to automate it through that one central

12:14

orchestration point and then exposing those

12:16

back up into home kit which

12:18

is on the phone and subsequently

12:20

on the watch as well and

12:22

being able to do things like

12:25

I'll give you specific examples. I'm

12:27

in the kitchen and I'm cooking.

12:29

I got... Meat on my hands or something like

12:31

that the light's too dim. Hey, what's a

12:33

name set the kitchen lights to 100% and

12:35

it's like magic and it just happens now

12:37

the way it happens is obviously you

12:39

need some sort of internet connectivity to

12:41

be able to instruct the lights to

12:43

go lighter You can use IT enabled

12:45

light bulbs so you can get things

12:47

like Phillips hue light bulbs or it

12:50

looks like a normal light bulb, but

12:52

it's got a Wi-Fi radio built into

12:54

it and that can adjust the light

12:56

just directly within that bulb. Everything

12:58

else in the house is same, same

13:00

circuitry and everything. Big issue

13:02

with that is that you are then stuck

13:04

with getting smart light bulbs, so

13:06

that means having light fixtures which

13:08

take normal light bulbs. It's a

13:11

clever hack, but... They're not normally

13:13

great looking lights. We've got some really

13:15

really cool looking lights when we did

13:17

a lot of renovations around here that

13:20

are built in LEDs, like you cannot

13:22

change the bulb, you cannot swap it

13:24

out. So you've got to go upstream

13:27

with the light, somewhere on the power

13:29

supply. Now, the way that we've done all

13:31

this is to use a lot of these. These

13:33

are Shelly IOT devices, and this is

13:35

a Shelly dimmer. For some reason you

13:37

can never open the Shelly box. Well

13:39

you can, it's going to say you

13:41

can never open it without ripping

13:44

it, but apparently you can.

13:46

So this is what a Shelley IOT relay

13:48

looks like. It's that big. And then

13:50

just to put it in the palm

13:52

of my hand, they say it's the size

13:55

of an Oreo biscuit. They're

13:57

resilient enough to drop, I

13:59

think. So that's what they look like.

14:01

You're super cool. In Australia you

14:03

need a licensed electrician to wire

14:05

them in. You legally cannot do it

14:08

yourself. I'm mostly fine with that because

14:10

I really don't have the spare time

14:12

because I'm too busy marking around with

14:14

Grafana to do this, but you get

14:16

them wired in and now you have a

14:18

little device like this which sits behind an

14:21

existing light switch. Look at all

14:23

the props I've got today. So you end

14:25

up with your sparky. It's an electrician in

14:27

Australia, Sparky comes over, pops this off

14:29

the wall, puts this in line, plugs

14:31

some wires in that I don't fully

14:33

understand, but he makes it work, and

14:35

then you join this to the network,

14:37

you join it to Home Assistant, you

14:39

have full local control, one of the

14:41

big, sort of ideological things about IOT,

14:44

is how much can we have self-contained

14:46

within the house and not cloud-dependent.

14:48

So, you've got Home Assistant, which

14:50

is running on a razry pie,

14:52

a orchestrating this directly if we

14:54

lose internet we lose cloud and

14:56

everything else it all still works and the

14:58

beauty of this is you can go and

15:00

get whichever switches you want if you

15:03

really like these switches and I'll tell

15:05

you why I really don't like these

15:07

switches in a moment you can use

15:09

these if you want ones from a

15:12

different manufacturer you can use those you

15:14

can certainly buy smart switches where this

15:16

is built in to there but I'm reluctant

15:18

to do that And part of

15:20

the reason I'm reluctant to do

15:23

that is you're then taking the

15:25

physical human interface, the thing that's

15:28

going to sit on your wall

15:30

for let's say the next 20

15:32

years, and it is intrinsically

15:34

tied to a digital

15:36

implementation sitting behind that, which

15:39

is going to be out of

15:41

date and let's be generous and say

15:43

10 years. I do like being able

15:45

to abstract the two. This is

15:47

almost like a simple... programming

15:50

paradigm. If we can get an

15:52

obstruction such that we can interchange

15:54

the IOT from the physical, that's

15:57

great. Now incidentally, when you

15:59

use a shelly... done right, all these

16:01

buttons still work. So the example I've used

16:03

before us when my mum and dad come

16:05

home, mum and dad are very good with

16:07

light switches, not as good with IOT.

16:10

When they come over and press the

16:12

buttons, the lights do exactly what they

16:14

expect it to do. When I orchestrate

16:16

something from home assistant via this, then

16:18

it also works. And in fact part

16:20

of the reason I've got these

16:22

push button switches here is because

16:24

they're effectively stateless. If you get

16:26

toggles and down means on... But then

16:29

you digitally turn it off, then you're

16:31

looking at the light, the switch, and

16:33

it says, well, the light is on,

16:36

but then you're looking at the

16:38

ceiling and going, well, the light

16:40

is off. Weird. This solves that

16:42

problem. Yeah. You look at the

16:44

comments before I go off on

16:47

my tangent, all the new stuff here.

16:49

Ah. Okay, Milford's here. Gady

16:51

Milford. Stephen. Been lurking?

16:53

Very good. Arlek things sort of

16:55

bunting. So you can make comments. All right, so this is on

16:57

topic. They come inside those Arlek things sort of bunting.

16:59

Twenty bucks you plug them straight in. I think you don't

17:01

buy it. So I think you're talking about the light bulbs there. I

17:03

do have a bunch of arlek things as well, but they tend to

17:05

be like smart sockets that you plug into the wall. I'm sure there's

17:08

one around here somewhere. I've got a bunch of spare ones. I've got

17:10

a bunch of spare ones, I got a bunch of spare ones, I

17:12

got a bunch of spare ones, I got a bunch of spare ones,

17:14

I got a bunch of spare ones, I got a bunch of spare ones,

17:16

I got a bunch of spare ones, I got a bunch of spare ones,

17:18

I got a bunch of spare ones, I got a bunch of spare ones,

17:20

I got a bunch of spare ones, I got a bunch of spare ones,

17:22

I got a bunch of spare ones, I got a bunch of spare ones

17:24

I'm fine with those. The Melbourne lads

17:27

make those things. I prefer the

17:29

plug-in power points, plug a light into

17:31

them, and you can, you can dilot

17:33

your staff and do away with Wi-Fi,

17:35

but you're leaving to be late.

17:38

Acarer switches. Yep, so I've got a

17:40

lot of, so Stefan saying a

17:42

carer switches, I've got a lot

17:44

of a carer switches around the

17:46

house, a carer switches, they're from,

17:48

who's the parent Chinese company, but

17:50

anyway, they do a lot of

17:52

Zigmi-based switches. push button switches. So

17:54

for example I've got one next

17:56

to the bed so that if I want to

17:58

turn the aircon on or off... I can just push

18:01

the button and it just, yeah, it's

18:03

great. We've got one on the stairs

18:05

so that this is a good example

18:08

of how it all integrates together. When

18:10

we go to bed at night, there

18:12

is one button on the stairs and

18:14

I push that one button and

18:16

every light in the house, except

18:19

like the ones in the bedroom go

18:21

off and then those ones dim. Beautiful.

18:23

Right, so it's a long lead

18:25

up to where I'm going with this.

18:27

We've had a bunch of these failing.

18:29

Two's, there is now a Gen Three, just

18:32

within about the last week, I've

18:34

seen those Gen Three's appear for

18:36

sale in Australia, so unlike the

18:38

coffee machine I want, apparently they've

18:40

been certified. I'm hoping the Gen

18:42

Three's are a little bit more reliable,

18:44

but I've had to replace far too

18:46

many of these for burning out. We are

18:49

about to embark on a major, major, major

18:51

project. And I didn't mention it

18:53

in the tweet because people get

18:55

a bit weird there, everyone here

18:57

is fine. I mentioned before I

18:59

moved in this house nearly 10

19:01

years ago. It'll be 10 years

19:03

I think in September and I

19:05

really love this place. When I moved

19:08

in here I remember thinking it's like

19:10

I never want to live

19:12

any more than a few hundred

19:14

meters from here at post because

19:17

I love this spot, love

19:19

this location and time passed

19:21

and life adds ups and downs and

19:23

downs. It's a down bit for a

19:25

long period there. And now as an

19:28

up period and we wanted more room.

19:30

But we didn't want to leave because

19:32

we love this house and we

19:34

love the community that we have around

19:36

us. A lot of really really good

19:39

close friends and our neighbours. And long

19:41

story short we have bought the house

19:43

next door to us with the expectation

19:45

of extending this one. Which is cool.

19:48

So we have a house which we

19:50

will remove. So it's an older house.

19:52

That'll go. This place will get extended.

19:54

We will end up with a lot

19:56

more space, a lot more rooms, a

19:59

lot more IOT. So as we

20:01

embark on that project, the

20:03

discussion that we're having with

20:05

our trusted Sparky is, what

20:07

do we do with all these things?

20:09

At the moment, I counted

20:12

it once, this house, as it

20:14

stands, has 130 lights in the

20:16

ceiling. Now, there are rooms with

20:18

multiple lights. I mean, there

20:20

are two just in my office

20:22

here, and you go down to

20:25

the living room, and there's like

20:27

six there, so... It's not quite

20:29

as nuts as it sounds.

20:31

With 130 different lights, I've

20:33

got I think 80-something shellies

20:36

at the moment, driving all

20:38

those. Let's say that number

20:40

increases by 50% and suddenly now

20:42

we're up to nearly 200 lights

20:44

in the roof, ceiling, and we're

20:47

up to 120-something IOT things. That's

20:49

a really, really big commitment. And

20:51

I want to get that spot

20:53

on because I don't want to

20:56

be mucking around with it. Now,

20:58

swing and muck around brings me to

21:00

these. These are made by a company

21:02

called Clipsall. I have

21:04

a feeling Clipsall is Australian. Milford

21:07

might not know. Clipsall, these are

21:09

Clipsall satinsins. They look kind of

21:11

cool, they come in white, they

21:14

come in black. So, as you can

21:16

see from my back wall, we've got

21:18

a lot of dark walls around here,

21:20

we've got the black ones on there.

21:22

We've got the light walls, these

21:24

ones going on there. Obviously they

21:26

do on the ones in the

21:29

wall where they've got the mechanisms

21:31

to toggle the circuit and they've

21:33

also got the mechanisms

21:35

to dim. They are absolute rubbish.

21:37

I despise these. We don't have

21:39

a lot of them. We've got maybe,

21:41

let's say maybe a third of the

21:44

house has them because we've just put

21:46

them in rooms that we've been renovating.

21:48

So we've got a third of a

21:50

house which is about to expand by 50%

21:53

so what does that make it? So we're at

21:55

the point now, it's like, well, before we expand

21:57

the house, let's figure out what we're going to

21:59

do. So the very very long way

22:01

getting around to the question of

22:03

if anyone has seen switches they

22:05

really like Please let me know

22:07

because we've got to figure out

22:09

how we're going to make this

22:11

very very long-term commitment Very expensive

22:14

commitment by the time minute of

22:16

this many switches around the place

22:18

And I'm just not sure what they should

22:21

look like now I'm just looking

22:23

at my Twitter Twitter feed Twitter

22:25

feed here because somewhere along the

22:27

way I've got a suggestion here

22:29

that came from the Sparky. What

22:32

did he say? What was the brand?

22:34

So I was thinking about

22:36

maybe doing like Clipsal

22:38

Wiser which has got Zigby-based

22:41

switches built into it but

22:43

I ruled that out for

22:45

the reasons I just spoke

22:48

about there. Parga finesse. I'll

22:50

drop this into the chat. These

22:52

look pretty cool. What I'm missing here is

22:54

just that the tactility of the switch like

22:56

I went to another mates house the other

22:58

day who'd done this really cool renovation and

23:00

he had switches very very similar to this

23:02

but you push it and it just it's

23:04

got so you know when you get like

23:06

a you get in a really nice car

23:08

and you close the door and it's just

23:10

got that solid kind of funk like I

23:12

want to feel that in the switch I

23:14

know that sounds really weird but I want

23:16

to be clear that I have actually pushed

23:18

it and I get that tactileile feedback part

23:20

of the problem When these ones,

23:22

which feel like crap, are sitting

23:25

behind IOT, which keeps failing, is

23:27

you push the button and nothing

23:29

happens. And you like, is it

23:31

because the switch is crap or has

23:33

another shell he died? That's what I'm

23:35

trying to get away from. So see,

23:37

what do you think of those hager

23:39

ones? You'll see switches and plates on

23:42

the left of the screen there. They

23:44

look pretty nice. I'm going to get

23:46

the sparky to drop in one as

23:48

a test switch, and we'll use that.

23:50

Let's see the other comments

23:53

here. Stefan's saying, like buttons,

23:55

which is with a shelly built in,

23:57

which is the carer stuff, of course,

23:59

having... energy monitoring workers ZIGB repeaters

24:01

as well. So, okay, if they're

24:04

ZIGB repeated, ZIGB repeaters and only

24:06

mains powered, and so you're talking

24:08

about obviously switches that go into

24:11

the, or plugs rather, they go

24:13

into the wall, sockets, things are

24:15

out term. So, Stephanie, if you

24:18

looked at the wide care switches, drop a

24:20

link to those in the chat, I'll have

24:22

look at that. Milford. Apologies for the

24:24

interruption, but wouldn't it be cheaper and

24:26

simpler to get Charlotte to pick the

24:28

aesthetics and you why the IOT removable

24:30

switch to the master points? Now someone

24:32

suggested this the other day. When you

24:34

say the master points, Milford, are you

24:36

talking about your most houses? Or most houses

24:39

here in Australia, I assume it's the

24:41

same in other parts. We normally have a

24:43

circuit board somewhere central. And then you've got

24:45

all the different switches in there, so you

24:47

can turn off a circuit somewhere. Someone suggested

24:50

this the other day, because you can get

24:52

shellies. that can be switched and dimmed

24:54

from there. But certainly for us

24:56

here, one circuit in our circuit

24:58

board will turn off six seven

25:00

lights because they're all wired

25:03

back to that one circuit. Now in

25:05

my experience of different places

25:07

I've lived in, that's usually

25:09

the way. So we can't change that

25:12

here in this existing house as we

25:14

build the new bits possibly. I'm just

25:16

not sure that that's something that

25:18

we normally do here, but

25:20

maybe misunderstood you. George says we

25:23

have clips all products in South

25:25

Africa. I've only used socket

25:27

and light switches. The quality is

25:29

not great. I definitely won't put

25:32

my trust in the other products.

25:34

Yeah, now this seems consistent.

25:36

Mike, Mike's on a plane on the

25:38

way to Stockholm. Been there? Love the I'll

25:40

teach out so much I want to do

25:43

at home. You can start gentle. You know,

25:45

this is kind of the nice thing about

25:47

about roll at yourself IOT. It's funny

25:49

now because I feel really... What's all

25:52

right? You know, you know when all of us are

25:54

technical people probably listen to this and you

25:56

go into a store somewhere and someone tries

25:58

to tell you something. about something technical and

26:01

you're like, don't you know what I do

26:03

kind of thing. Now every time I talk

26:05

to someone about home automation I feel like

26:07

that. So we're talking to, I think it

26:10

might have been the project manager for this

26:12

house recently and they were talking about, oh

26:14

what's the really expensive home automation that

26:16

was the incumbent for so long before

26:19

we had raspberry pies and home assistant?

26:21

Someone will say it in the moment

26:23

and I'll be, yep, that's exactly one.

26:27

Not that, not connect four,

26:29

the other really big one.

26:32

Home, automation, product. See

26:34

if we can figure it out

26:36

before the buffering catches

26:38

up. What's the big brand?

26:40

The one where an installer

26:42

comes and charges you

26:45

a gazillion dollars to do

26:47

it. So, um... Every time I

26:49

speak to someone about something like that

26:51

and they go, hey, why don't you

26:53

put this like massively expensive thing in?

26:55

We end up with touch panels and

26:57

every home and you cannot do anything

26:59

yourself and someone has to come in

27:01

and charge you because zoon dollars every

27:03

time. And I'm like, well, I have

27:05

free and open source software. I think

27:08

it is now the world's most active

27:10

open source project. It was always in

27:12

the top 10 for a while. It's thought

27:14

of who the alert was the top one.

27:16

you know, do you have a raspberry pie?

27:18

It's like, yes, you can get started.

27:20

Many of us have spare

27:22

raspberry pies floating around the

27:24

place. So if you've got

27:26

a hundred bucks spare, you

27:28

can start your home automation journey,

27:30

and you can have one light

27:33

bulb somewhere, or one switch. You

27:35

know, like, you can get into

27:37

this whole thing and get started

27:39

for absolutely nothing. This

27:41

is really bugging me, what is the

27:43

name of it? Chat GP2. Chat GP2.

27:45

brand name, home,

27:48

automation, product. I

27:50

know, it's going to bug

27:52

me when I say it. Not

27:55

Amazon, no, no, it

27:57

could be electron. It's

28:01

in a lot of Australian

28:03

homes. Been around for years.

28:06

It's not clips. Oh, is it

28:08

Sea Bus? Oh, I think a Sea

28:10

Bus. Yeah, Sea Bus. Is that

28:13

Clipsall? Wow. Yep, pretty

28:15

sure I was thinking of

28:17

Sea Bus. Anyway, so you don't

28:19

need all that stuff. The

28:21

point is you can get started

28:24

really, really cheap, really

28:26

easy. Milford says

28:28

you want to have removal master

28:30

switches in case in case of

28:32

security is outdated at some point. Abe

28:35

says what smoke alarms do you use?

28:37

So we had some legislative changes

28:39

here some years ago around smoke

28:41

alarms where I'm trying to remember

28:43

what change and don't quote me

28:45

on it but it was something to

28:47

the effect of they need to be

28:49

able to communicate with each other so

28:51

if one goes off in one room

28:53

they go off in the other rooms

28:55

because inevitably there are cases where houses

28:57

had smoke alarms and there's a fire

28:59

in one room, but they can't hear

29:01

the smoke alarm and the house burns

29:03

down and it's catastrophic. So they have

29:05

to be connected. I think they also

29:07

have to have, not just the classic,

29:09

you can, I don't know the science

29:11

behind it, but can it smell smoke,

29:13

but also can it see smoke? It

29:15

was like a photovoltaic thing or something.

29:18

So I ended up getting a nest

29:20

protect. Now there's also a bit here around,

29:22

do they have to be mains powered versus

29:24

battery powered? and I think something might have

29:26

changed after I went and put in this

29:28

protective as well. But what I liked about

29:30

it, and I've got one here in my

29:33

office, is that first of all they do

29:35

exactly what they do as advertised. So we've

29:37

had one or two occasions where they've gone

29:39

off, false positives, but circumstances where

29:41

yeah, they probably should have gone off.

29:43

They do all communicate very well, they

29:45

got an app. I think there is actually

29:48

a home assistant integration, but it was a

29:50

little bit flaky. So they've all been good.

29:52

I haven't bought any for quite a few years

29:54

now though, so we need to think as we

29:56

expand Do I get more of those? Can you still

29:58

get more of those or is there's something

30:00

else. So Abe if you've got an

30:03

idea about something else let me

30:05

know. Abe says removable batteries also

30:07

no longer allowed meaning Google Nest

30:09

pulled their battery products but still

30:11

have wide version. Okay so that

30:13

might be what I'm thinking of.

30:15

Normally when something like say a

30:18

battery products are no longer allowed

30:20

normally existing stuff gets grandfathered in

30:22

for some period of time and

30:25

at least here in in our great

30:27

state of Queensland one of the things

30:29

that that was a point of difference.

30:31

I think if you were a landlord with

30:33

tenants, you had to be a bit more

30:35

on top of things, and if you were

30:38

living in your own home, and you were

30:40

effectively responsible for your own

30:42

decisions. Incidentally, while I'm talking about

30:44

how shit these are, I just

30:46

realized. Might be a bit hard to see it

30:49

on the camera, but on the back, you can

30:51

see little wipe it, little wipe it, black

30:53

bit. When you pop these face plates

30:55

off on these clipsal satins in units.

30:58

They're meant to pop off, but

31:00

often the clips just break. So this

31:03

is this is why Even just the

31:05

fact that I'm having to stress this

31:07

to get a fun a good off So

31:10

we can see there's there's

31:12

one clip broken Just up

31:14

here on the top left And the

31:16

photo I put the other day

31:18

Often I end up because we've

31:20

had to take the bloody things

31:22

off so much to fix the

31:24

shellies that keep breaking behind it

31:26

Often these end up being stuck

31:28

on with blue tack. So you've got

31:31

this really cool looking on suite

31:33

for example the one I seem

31:35

to replace the most. It would

31:37

be like nice stone and cool

31:39

taps and everything and blue tack

31:42

keeping the light switches together.

31:44

So I've got to figure this

31:46

out. Simon really happy with my

31:48

Bosch twin guard. What's a Bosch

31:50

twin guard? We're crossing thread thread

31:52

a little bit here. I think

31:55

Bosch. Twin God that

31:57

is oh, that's the that's

31:59

a Smack sensor. More than just,

32:01

no, it's more. It's more than

32:03

just a smoke detector, they say.

32:05

What does that do? Hang on,

32:08

got to read the cookie warning.

32:10

Yeah, yellow. Smack together that

32:12

provides your home with double

32:15

protection. Interesting, interesting.

32:18

It's smart by integrating it

32:20

into the Bosch smart home

32:22

system. Right, here's... I know we're

32:25

going on for a long time. But

32:27

while I'm on my high horse. with

32:29

different home automation things. I've

32:31

had multiple things break

32:34

this week, not just clips

32:36

or satins and switches. I

32:38

opened up Home Assistant

32:40

one day, had one of the

32:42

little badges there, had a warning,

32:44

it said you're using the Sompfi

32:47

integration to control an awning

32:49

that we got installed out

32:51

the back of the house.

32:53

18 months ago. Make sure

32:55

you turn off automatic firmware

32:58

update because the latest version

33:00

of the firmware breaks the

33:02

integration. It's like, oh shit, I hadn't

33:04

thought about this. So I go into

33:06

the app, open it up, there's a

33:09

firmware warning, I'm like, dismiss, left

33:11

it at that, now my awning no

33:13

longer works. And the remote control hasn't

33:15

worked for ages either, so the awning

33:17

is kind of stuck. I have a

33:20

switch spot. If you're not going to

33:22

switch up before, it's a little IOT,

33:24

it's like a little arm, just mechanical

33:27

arm that's triggered via an event. I

33:29

3D printed a frame that I put

33:31

around the air conditioning control unit such

33:34

that the arm can turn the power on

33:36

or off. Now this is a really,

33:38

really old air conditioning system. That's definitely

33:40

one of the things that will change

33:42

with this house for any stuff. There

33:44

is no infrared on it. There was

33:46

no retrofit IOT without spending a gazillion

33:49

dollars. So I was literally out there

33:51

with Vernia Calipers measuring, printing, slipping and

33:53

all in. And it works really well

33:55

as just a simple on off. Can't

33:57

do temperature control or anything, but on

33:59

off. That's dropped off. I don't know why.

34:02

I can use the switchbot app and it

34:04

works. But it's no longer part of home

34:06

assistant. I meant a Bluetooth into everything.

34:08

And yes, I tried rebooting. But where

34:11

I was going with this? Looking at the

34:13

Bosch stuff here. So I was saying to Charlotte

34:15

that I think one of the pure

34:17

frustrations we have in this home

34:19

automation industry at the moment is you

34:22

end up with so many different products

34:24

like Bosch, like switchbot, like the awning

34:26

we've got where they're like... Hey, this

34:28

is all smart and it's all connected.

34:30

Here is a dedicated app and you

34:33

end up with 90 freaking dedicated apps

34:35

to control the automation things. Now we

34:37

have open standards and protocols and things

34:39

like matter, which are meant to join

34:42

all these things together. But that's taking

34:44

a long time to roll out and

34:46

for everything to integrate. So until then

34:48

we end up with all of these

34:50

different like little wall garden ecosystems. One

34:52

of the joys of Shelley for all their

34:55

faults as a physical unit that keeps burning

34:57

out. is that it's very open. They've

34:59

literally got APIs. Every one of these

35:01

is a little web server that has

35:04

Jason-based APIs that you can communicate with

35:06

directly. There's a native integration into Home

35:08

Assistant that makes it really easy to

35:11

control them directly without any cloud dependency.

35:13

They have an app. I used it

35:15

for a bit when I first got

35:18

it. I haven't touched it for probably years.

35:20

So, that's a long way going around the

35:22

Bosch thing. And I'm not sure if maybe

35:24

Bosch is awesome. Tell me. If it is, and

35:26

then I can have a look at it.

35:28

I know Shell is making a list somewhere

35:30

of all the things we need to think

35:33

of for building this house. Incidentally, maybe they'll

35:35

do a dedicated show about this one

35:37

time, but one of the things we're

35:39

building is like a dedicated home theatre.

35:41

If you know anything about that or

35:43

how home theatres work or what I should

35:46

be looking at, let me know. And then yeah,

35:48

we've got to do a dedicated show

35:50

about that, because I'm learning on the fly.

35:53

Simon says, it is awesome.

35:55

So this is the butchering out,

35:57

okay, works nice with home autumn.

35:59

Does it integrate with home assistant?

36:02

That is my question. It's got

36:04

its own app and it has

36:06

to for the normies, right? If

36:08

you're a normy out there and

36:10

you're not like us and you're

36:12

technical and you can roll your

36:15

own raspy pie, you need that

36:17

stuff. Let's look, Bosch, Twingard, Home

36:19

Assistant. If there's an integration into

36:21

this, I will be very, very

36:23

tempted. Smakesens, is feature, oh there's

36:25

a feature request. Or, there's one

36:27

here, 7th of April last year,

36:30

Bosch, Twin Guard, in-home assistant. Someone

36:32

might answer my question before I

36:34

find the answer here. Well, someone's

36:36

got them in home assistant, so

36:38

that's something. It's not just that

36:40

I'm in love with home assistant,

36:42

that's part of it. But in

36:45

order to work with home assistant,

36:47

the product has to be open

36:49

enough to enable these integrations. Now

36:51

I'm going to roll that back

36:53

because a lot of the time

36:55

home assistant integrations are like with

36:57

the awning where effectively it's like

37:00

let's just I'm sure in some

37:02

of these cases effectively screen scrape

37:04

their website in order to fake

37:06

log you in and then push

37:08

buttons on the screen or make

37:10

the post request to make things

37:12

happen. Either way. If it's got

37:15

some sort of native API or

37:17

native integration, or particularly if they've

37:19

got like a little works with

37:21

home assistance sort of thing, all

37:23

they implement matter, then that's a

37:25

big plus, because you know it's

37:28

going to be so much more

37:30

open and compatible with everything. Okay,

37:32

let's go on. Hello, I've been

37:34

going. It's 37 minutes, and through

37:36

the first point. Yubie Key or

37:38

Fish. Now, I think I'm actually

37:40

going to write a blog post

37:43

on this, not so much about

37:45

Yubie, Key in particular, but about

37:47

this pattern, but about this pattern,

37:49

which is pattern, which is... legitimate

37:51

organizations sending communication which is indistinguishable

37:53

from a fish. And I have

37:55

seen so many of these over

37:58

the years in different ways and

38:00

I'm sure you have too. and

38:02

I guess it's something that I'm

38:04

particularly in tune with because I'm

38:06

looking for all the places where

38:08

there are bad guys out there

38:10

trying to fish people and steal

38:13

money and all those sorts of

38:15

things. So I'm always a little

38:17

bit suspicious when I get communications

38:19

like this one I'm about to

38:21

talk about here. I was on

38:23

the radio a couple of days

38:25

ago talking about the thing that

38:28

we're going to talk about next,

38:30

the in analysis. On the ABC

38:32

radio here And they're like, you

38:34

know, what are all the things

38:36

that you can do to protect

38:38

yourself online? I'm a password manager,

38:40

don't really use your passwords, multi-factor

38:43

authentication, SMS is better than nothing,

38:45

soft or authenticator after that, and

38:47

then preferably a hardware security key

38:49

such as a Yibi key. And

38:51

that's what triggered the email. I

38:53

actually, because I like to give

38:56

more in these, in these podcast

38:58

here. I'll tell

39:00

you the broader message that

39:02

came through. So I get

39:04

this message. Here it is.

39:06

This is yesterday. Subject is

39:08

an email. Yubica relationship builder

39:10

and receiving the new Yubiki

39:12

5C NFC security key. Hello

39:15

Troy. We hope you're well.

39:17

Thank you. I'm reaching out

39:19

to you as we manage

39:21

Yubico's Com supporting the APAC

39:23

region. That's Asia Pacific for

39:25

people in other parts of

39:27

the world. I am aware

39:29

you are recently on the

39:32

ABC Gold Coast where you

39:34

briefly mentioned Yubie Keys, I

39:36

too, and Gold Coast-based. But

39:38

I wanted to reach out

39:40

for two reasons. Incidentally, that's

39:42

pretty OSN information that you

39:44

could find. Number one, to

39:46

see about potentially building a

39:48

relationship between Yubico and you,

39:51

and two, to see if

39:53

you would like to receive

39:55

Yubico's new, Yubie Key 5C,

39:57

NFC security keys hyperlinked, to

39:59

keep... in brackets for free

40:01

we are not expecting a

40:03

review and you're getting one

40:05

day or anything as we

40:08

know that that is not

40:10

what you do now that

40:12

felt it just feels like

40:14

it's a male merge someone's

40:16

written that bit and that's

40:18

very targeted towards me and

40:20

then there's a whole of

40:22

Details. Fido utuware for authentication

40:25

protocols. Companies have seen zero

40:27

successful fishing attempts using Yubiki.

40:29

I agree with. A bunch

40:31

of upper-case stuff. Simple, easy,

40:33

scalable, efficient, multi-proticle works. Product

40:35

features. Also, upcase. Upcase. And

40:37

bold, I might add. Tapping,

40:39

durable, portable. Works. New Yubiki

40:41

is available, hyperlink here or

40:44

locally, hyperlink. If you want

40:46

to receive two. Oh shit.

40:48

That'd be nice. Two UV

40:50

keys. Please email us with

40:52

a suitable postal address, email

40:54

and phone number. And it's

40:56

from, I did put this

40:58

in the link so I

41:01

can talk about this in

41:03

the tweet, sphere PR.com that

41:05

are you. And I was

41:07

like, eh, let's see what

41:09

happens. Let's go sphere PR.com

41:11

that are you. That's

41:14

a sort of a great big

41:16

error message at the top of

41:18

the screen. Notice, function load, text

41:20

domain, just in time, was called

41:22

incorrectly. Translation coding for the BT

41:24

cost calculator domain was triggered too

41:26

early. There's usually an indicator of

41:28

some code. Now, this doesn't look

41:30

good for any organization, but you've

41:32

got Yubi key, which is again

41:35

an awesome company. I have many

41:37

Yubi keys. I've recommended them many

41:39

times and I shall keep doing

41:41

so. Very, very privacy-centric. And then

41:43

you've got... a PR company that

41:45

literally is PR in the domain

41:47

alleging to represent YubiCo communicating in

41:49

a way that can't easily be

41:51

independently verified and then their website

41:53

has this big error message on

41:55

it and it looks shady AF.

41:57

So I tweeted this and effectively

41:59

asked, does this look shady AF?

42:01

And a bunch of people were

42:03

like, ah yeah. Anyway, Yubiko got

42:05

in touch. Apparently it's legit. So

42:08

maybe I'll try and get someone

42:10

from Yubiko to send me a

42:12

couple of keys because I would

42:14

like to have the keys. Main

42:16

reason why the keys is our

42:18

daughter El will turn 13 in

42:20

a few months from now. 13

42:22

is when she'll get on all

42:24

the social things before the government

42:26

takes it away in November because

42:28

kids under 16 will no longer

42:30

be allowed to have it but

42:32

until then she'll have a few

42:34

months and I want her using

42:36

yubie keys on all of her

42:38

things which is exactly the same

42:41

as I did with my son

42:43

when he turned 13. It's a

42:45

rite of passage getting your first

42:47

yubie key. So the point is

42:49

is that we have so many

42:51

occurrences where legitimate communications from legitimate

42:53

organizations has all the hallmarks of

42:55

fishing. And I think I'm going

42:57

to write a blog post about

42:59

this, about what are those hallmarks?

43:01

You know, the request for information,

43:03

the very malmerged content, the requests

43:05

for... I already said request for

43:07

information. Let's just say it again,

43:09

because I think it's such an

43:11

important thing where so many of

43:13

these fishing messages are predicated around

43:16

asking you to add info. I'm

43:18

not going to name this other

43:20

company, but I have another incident

43:22

recently where there's a company to

43:24

do a lot of work with

43:26

and have done for some time.

43:28

And some company reached out and

43:30

said, hi, we're now the marketing

43:32

company for this other company. And

43:34

started asking me a whole bunch

43:36

of quite personal questions. And I

43:38

ignored it because I was sure

43:40

it was a fish. And they

43:42

came back again. I got to

43:44

the point where I reached out

43:46

to the company I had that

43:49

relationship to. I was like, hey,

43:51

look, I don't know. And

43:54

apparently there was some unhappiness that this

43:56

company had behaved in that way, so

43:59

I guess it was a good outcome.

44:01

Yeah, it was it was legit. So

44:03

well, um, well, that's the other thing

44:05

too The offer is to send you

44:07

USB devices that you stick into your

44:10

PC You know, like if they had

44:12

a gun, can we send you a

44:14

t-shirt? It still would have looked fishy,

44:16

but it's like, well, how bad can

44:19

it be? You know, I've got my

44:21

address and my phone number. It is

44:23

different when I got to stick the

44:25

thing into my computer ABC's

44:28

have been poned pin analysis. Now

44:31

this is really really cool. The

44:33

ABC is the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

44:35

We have an ABC too. I

44:38

know there's one in America. And

44:40

the ABC is great in many

44:42

ways. Pretty much every Monday I

44:45

go to an ABC studio here.

44:47

Sometimes I talk about Yibi Keys.

44:49

And I do a radio program

44:52

that's targeted at... Yeah, well we've

44:54

got a city of about 650,

44:56

7,000 people. It's not a big

44:58

city in the global sky, but

45:01

there's a bunch of people here.

45:03

And it's a mainstream consumer radio

45:05

program. And we talk about using

45:08

hubbykeys and similar things like that.

45:10

And the ABC has done a

45:12

bunch of really, really good work

45:15

over the years. On various stories,

45:17

they are government funded, but I

45:19

think for the most part, they're

45:22

viewed as pretty independent. I'm just

45:24

going to try and find the

45:26

story here. Is it pins? Here

45:28

we go. Pin. No, that's about

45:31

this blog post, this live stream.

45:33

Why not far so hard? I'm

45:35

probably googled. ABC, have I been

45:38

honed, pin analysis? I want to

45:40

say about a year and a

45:42

half, two years ago, the ABC

45:45

did a really good... Really good

45:47

use case where they took the

45:49

haven't been poned API the email

45:52

address search one and they did

45:54

this really cool mosaic It's still

45:56

up there. I'm gonna drop it

45:58

in the chat. Have a play

46:01

of this ABC HIV P mosaics

46:03

see if it finds it. Uh,

46:05

goes for like to be P,

46:08

ever been Pined, what I call

46:10

again? Here we go. See your

46:12

identity pieced together from stolen data.

46:15

Now this is really cool because

46:17

it sits on top of the

46:19

Have A Been Poned API. You

46:22

put your email address in. This

46:24

was all done by a journalist

46:26

called Julian Fell. Put your email

46:28

address in as it pulls back.

46:31

if you want to really have

46:33

fun with it, put in like

46:35

test at example.com and it builds

46:38

up this picture of like here's

46:40

all the places that your email

46:42

address is exposed and then you

46:45

had another breach and it exposed

46:47

your passwords and another one as

46:49

your, you know, your home address

46:52

or whatever. So he did a

46:54

really good job of visualizing what

46:56

data breaches mean to individuals. He

46:58

did a separate story on me

47:01

which I thought was really really

47:03

good. Normally now, these days when

47:05

I'm someone's like, what is that

47:08

you do? So here's a story.

47:10

So here's a story. Here's a

47:12

story. Here's a story. So Julian's

47:15

done some good stuff. Now he's

47:17

done this pin analysis and Julian's

47:19

done this pin analysis. And Julian

47:22

pinging me a little while ago

47:24

and he said, you know, could

47:26

they get a hold of the

47:28

passwords and poned passwords so they

47:31

can do this pin analysis? And

47:33

I went, well, they're four-digit pins.

47:35

So you got 10,000 possible options.

47:38

Just call to have a been

47:40

poned API. You know, just make

47:42

10,000 calls. and start with zero

47:45

zero at zero and you go

47:47

all the way up to nine

47:49

nine nine nine and then you

47:52

can get all the data you

47:54

want just by calling the API

47:56

and he's like oh yeah we

47:58

could do that that'd be pretty

48:01

cool so he's done this analysis

48:03

talk to you about some of

48:05

those questions I got from other

48:08

journalists later but he's done this

48:10

analysis where he's made a heat

48:12

map and that the heat map

48:15

is your classic x y y

48:17

axis here, where the y axis

48:19

is the first two digits of

48:22

the pin and the x axis

48:24

is the last two digits of

48:26

the pin. And what it means

48:28

is that you can see these

48:31

really really clear patterns based on

48:33

the way the four digits are

48:35

created in the two pairs. I'll

48:38

give you an example of what

48:40

I mean by that. There's a

48:42

very clear line on this heat

48:45

map, one drop this into the

48:47

chat, very clear line on this

48:49

heat map where it goes from

48:52

zero zero up to nine nine.

48:54

Now being a perfectly diagonal line

48:56

like that it intersects every occurrence

48:58

of repeating pairs of digits zero

49:01

zero zero zero zero zero one.

49:03

all the way up for five,

49:05

four, five, etc. etc. because it

49:08

turns out that there is a

49:10

very high prevalence compared to everything

49:12

else of people using repeating two

49:15

digits. And you see it on

49:17

this heat map and you like

49:19

bam I can see that. The

49:22

cool thing is when you look

49:24

at this on a browser on

49:26

a PC it's not as good

49:28

on your phone but when you

49:31

got screen real estate the heat

49:33

map stays in place and as

49:35

you scroll down there's explanations and

49:38

different points on the heat map

49:40

are highlighted. you know there's a

49:42

good example here so that the

49:45

brighter the square the more prevalent

49:47

it is as we scroll down

49:49

it's like the most prevalent pin

49:51

by huge margin is one two

49:54

three four like obvious zero zero

49:56

zero zero is a big one

49:58

as well but it's the more

50:01

obscure ones and the other patterns

50:03

that get really interesting so the

50:05

repeating digits I mentioned before what's

50:08

the other on there's oh here

50:10

we get There's also a broken

50:12

horizontal line split between 19 and

50:15

20 for the first two digits.

50:17

So why do we have a

50:19

very high prevalence of pins that

50:21

start with either 19 or 20

50:24

or the birth years? And you

50:26

can see it just plotted out

50:28

on this graph. There's also a

50:31

blockish area around the bottom left.

50:33

that needs some explaining. These are

50:35

all the combinations that could represent

50:38

dates like... 2.9.2 is not as

50:40

popular as neighbours because that's probably

50:42

because it only comes around once

50:45

every four years. 29 the FEB,

50:47

of course. However, if you're in

50:49

America, it's O2.29 and that also

50:51

stands out. And you just see

50:54

these really, really interesting patterns visualised

50:56

here. I had some interesting conversations

50:58

this week with journalists calling up

51:01

to talk about this and I'm

51:03

not going to name where they're

51:05

from because for obvious reasons they're

51:08

going to look pretty stupid. So,

51:10

one guy calls up because I'm

51:12

in a database somewhere and he

51:15

says, you know, apparently most four

51:17

digit. pins have been in data

51:19

breaches. Only most? You sure it's

51:21

most, mate, because there's a very

51:24

finite number, that number of course

51:26

being 10,000. 10,000 of them have

51:28

been in data breaches. Every single

51:31

one of them has been in

51:33

it. And basically the discussion was

51:35

sort of centering around. not using

51:38

pins that have been in data

51:40

breaches. And I'm trying to say,

51:42

mate, there's only 10,000 of them.

51:45

And there's billions of people creating

51:47

that they have all been in

51:49

data breaches. Every single, there is

51:51

not a single digit that you

51:54

can look for, four-digit number, in

51:56

have I been paying that you

51:58

can look for, there has not

52:01

been in a data breach. My

52:03

favorite, so I was doing a

52:05

radio interview, and the journalist said,

52:08

And remember, talking about four-digit pins,

52:10

she said, I've looked at... The

52:12

ABC's analysis and there are hundreds

52:15

of thousands of four-digit pins That

52:17

appeared in have and I like

52:19

She's fucking with me surely and

52:21

I had to saw so well

52:24

There's only 10,000 four-digit pins. I

52:26

think what you're saying is that

52:28

those 10,000 pins have appeared multiple

52:31

times Which would be accurate but

52:33

I did find it funny that

52:35

there seems to be some misunderstanding

52:38

about how many four-digit numbers you

52:40

can have. So here we are.

52:42

Thomas says my favorite thing about

52:45

this heat map is about how

52:47

if you squint you can see

52:49

a rough grid across the whole

52:51

thing every ten or so. Yeah

52:54

it's like it's highlighted a bit

52:56

isn't it? a more prevalent pattern.

52:58

And the way that I read

53:01

that, because if we, it almost

53:03

looks like if you squint, you

53:05

can see a 10 by 10

53:08

matrix, isn't it? I think that's

53:10

what you're saying, Thomas. And if

53:12

that's the case, then the middle

53:15

of each one of those 10

53:17

by 10 squares is more prevalent

53:19

than on the outer sides, which

53:21

would mean... that the lower value

53:24

numbers and the higher value numbers

53:26

are less prevalent and the numbers

53:28

from say three through seven are

53:31

much more prevalent. That'd be interesting,

53:33

wouldn't it? Well, you know where

53:35

to find the data. You can

53:38

do some analysis on that. I

53:41

couldn't say why, but the fact that

53:43

the pattern is there has fascinated me

53:45

from a human age point. Yeah, you're

53:48

right, and I had not seen that

53:50

before, but now that you mention it,

53:52

I can't unsee it. I think that

53:55

would be really, really interesting for you

53:57

to do some analysis on if you're

53:59

bored. Milfuses, I can't believe you have

54:02

to explain things. I thought that's what

54:04

the... truth people before they're for a

54:06

charge of $4 a pop for the

54:09

Australian and some of these pranksters bent

54:11

on securing the nation. Where do you

54:13

even get news from these days? I

54:15

just do not know what to look

54:18

at and every time I look at

54:20

anything I've got to try and figure

54:22

out what what the political bias or

54:25

the leaning of the publication or the

54:27

person is before I figure out whether

54:29

or not I can trust it. I

54:32

mentioned Grafana in more detail last week.

54:34

My Grafana dashboard is still up there.

54:36

The back story here, Grafana, many people

54:39

probably heard of Grafana, they do graphs.

54:41

It's much more than that because they

54:43

can plug into all these sorts of

54:46

different data sources. It is a graphing

54:48

charting platform, I think is a reasonable

54:50

way to put it. It is available

54:52

within Azure. You can spin up a

54:55

Grafana instance and get immediate access to

54:57

a bunch of your Azure things, like

54:59

maybe you want to report on the

55:02

number of requests per minute from your

55:04

API, for example. And then you get

55:06

all these connectors into other platforms. You

55:09

can plug it in the cloud flare.

55:11

We've plugged it into Zendesk so that

55:13

since last week, Charlotte now has one

55:16

of our spare screens up on her

55:18

desk, which just shows the outstanding Zendes

55:20

tickets, because she normally takes care most

55:23

of that. You can plug it into

55:25

all sorts of custom data sources. You

55:27

can do really really cool stuff with

55:29

it. And I have this Surpluster Needs

55:32

77-inch TV screen that I've been sitting

55:34

there for ages. It's now, after my

55:36

war, it's got this cool set of

55:39

charts that is genuinely useful for me

55:41

doing my job running, have I been

55:43

poned. When I spoke last week, we

55:46

had this running on Azure's hosted Grafana

55:48

instance. For various reasons we have migrated

55:50

over to Grafana's own hosted instance. Stefan

55:53

will remember why it was his idea.

55:55

I think it was like better access

55:57

to various sources of data and That's

56:00

gone mostly well. I did about it

56:02

during the week. We've had, we've just

56:04

had some odd stuff where I have

56:06

a Rosary Pi 5 8 gig model

56:09

running chromium that is sitting in my

56:11

cupboard lots of airflow, don't worry about

56:13

that. That's running this instance in chromium

56:16

at full screen in kiosk mode so

56:18

it looks really really neat and it

56:20

keeps crashing. So it runs for about

56:23

an hour and then it just crashes

56:25

out and I tweeted about this as

56:27

well. And in fact I tweeted originally

56:30

the original screens and someone from Grafana

56:32

got in touch was very nice about

56:34

it and then I tweeted the little

56:37

timing out problem the other day. I

56:39

got a nice message from Grafana, founder

56:41

and CEO today as well, it seems

56:43

a great block. With some opposite support,

56:46

I think what I'm actually going to

56:48

do, again Stefan if you're still here,

56:50

but from memory you like migrated it.

56:53

There's some sort of migration process because

56:55

I had exactly the same dashboard from

56:57

azure, come over and it was nice

57:00

and clean. I think what I'm going

57:02

to do, because it's not particularly complex,

57:04

is just go and recreate that dashboard

57:07

from scratch. I feel like there's probably

57:09

20 minutes of work or something in

57:11

there and I think that will work.

57:14

I have a feeling that there's some

57:16

sort of resource exhaustion, because crash in

57:18

chromium. possibly due to some legacy artifacts

57:20

or something. So let's just create a

57:23

clean one. Stefan today or overnight my

57:25

time has been sending through some really

57:27

really cool examples of stuff that we

57:30

would have surfaced directly via App Insights

57:32

in Have A Bampone, Onageur, that's now

57:34

being pumped via Hotel into Grafana and

57:37

it looks super super super sweet. I've

57:39

just seen... him do that with the

57:41

our staging environment. I'm really looking forward

57:44

to seeing that as production data that

57:46

I can get up on the big

57:48

TV. It looks so cool. Everything in

57:51

Grafata just looks cool. And even go

57:53

watch some videos because the videos and

57:55

tutorials about how to set up different

57:57

data sources and configure it. They also

58:00

look cool. So I just... I feel

58:02

it's a little bit like every now

58:04

and then you find a company that

58:07

just clicks with your way of thinking

58:09

and the things that are, I guess,

58:11

combination of visually appealing and functional. And

58:14

Grafana just feels like they've nailed it.

58:16

So really, really looking forward to doing

58:18

more stuff with that. I'm going to

58:21

write it all up and put it

58:23

in a proper blog post as well.

58:25

A lot of people said, can you

58:28

write up the way I've done this

58:30

kiosk? It's not really hard. It's pretty

58:32

straightforward. Glitchy things, I'm going to get

58:34

perfect and then I will write that

58:37

up. What else is here? James says,

58:39

people are shy at picking numbers. I

58:41

never pick my own pin. Random in

58:44

between zero and nine. Milford, is this

58:46

clown yelling into my window? You only

58:48

like Troy because... Oh, well, that's going

58:51

downhill quickly. Uh... Okay, right, maybe, a

58:53

little bit off top, but anyway. We

58:55

are pretty much at time anyway. I'm

58:58

not going to do the next week.

59:00

Hopefully make some decisions about light switches

59:02

and so on. And I think I

59:05

will try and do that, that maybe

59:07

like a live stream, maybe something a

59:09

bit more interactive in two ways about

59:11

trying to get input.