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is Hidden Killers Week in review.

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I look back at the most prolific stories of

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the week. This is Hidden

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Killers with Tony Bruski.

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Here now, Tony Bruski. I,

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uh, I'm going to show this. Um, I've

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been kind of holding this. Um, and

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I know there's tons of videos out there

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showing, you know, here's how it could

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have possibly happened. But I saw one the

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other day, a listener sent this to

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me and I'm like, that's an interesting one.

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Like, cause she talks about the, her

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three point turn and things of that. Let's

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take a look at this. And this

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is I thought it really gave some light

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into how maybe some of those arm

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injuries took place. The scratches, you know, where

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they say it looks like a dog

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mark, but it could also be, you

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know, shards of plastic that

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could cause it if you're

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crawling through it. Again,

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this is not my video. This is on

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YouTube. Let's let's

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just take a quick look at this.

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And I want to get your thoughts

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and let's watch this for a moment.

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So this is Karen doing the three

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point turn. Let's see the slight side

1:07

swipe there. Probably didn't even realize. Backing

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up, maybe knocking him

1:14

again. Again, not

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possibly even realizing it, but

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again, didn't look mortally wounded. So

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he's could have been laying there for a little bit

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kind of in shock as to what just happened. I

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think here's a little more in depth. run

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of the video. Okay,

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here it is. Here's getting out

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for those listening. Drinking

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hand. Starts

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walking up to the side of the car, maybe

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going over to say something to the window. She's

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leaving. Maybe

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he falls over. Throws

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a drink at the back of the car. We've talked

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about that before, which may be where the tail

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light could have happened. Uh, and

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then proceeds to kind of crawl

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through the yard to get to his

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phone through maybe that debris field

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of, of plastic from

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the broken tail

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light, if that's what happened. And

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eventually that's where John

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dies. Um, I don't know. Wouldn't

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that be the bottom of his forearm? if

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you're kind of like, uh, I mean, that's,

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that was my first thought. That

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was my first thought too. But if you're

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struck and maybe, maybe this is not

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in the greatest shape at that moment. And,

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you know, if you're going through that

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debris field, you would hit forearm, but I

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think you might also get a bit

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of side swipe through that if you're just

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kind of in that sort of incapacitated

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position. I don't see it being impossible.

2:46

I don't see it. I don't know. I don't,

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what was your thought? I mean, if I'm

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the state. Yeah. On the

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Commonwealth, I'm not throwing that shit up there.

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No. I mean, do you think they're going

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to show anything up there? They're going to show any

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sort of reconstruction of what happened? Because, I mean, it's.

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mean, I, I don't know. Because

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like, I mean,

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I like, I like. What? Because

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I thinking could have gotten those injuries

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from not even even the tail light,

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just. It's talking sticks or something on

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the ground just whatever's in someone's yard

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in that time of the year when

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you're not maintaining your yard and You

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get scratched up if you're literally crawling

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through the yard, but again, I don't

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know I it's that's the question. How

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did he get there? I don't think

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it's a crazy idea that he fell

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and had nothing to do with the

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vehicle Gets up, you know, he kind of

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shocked you know goes over sits down

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for a minute picks up his phone or

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whatever and tries to kind of gain

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his His, you know, senses and then, you

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know, the injuries of

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falling take place and he

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succumbs to that. Yeah,

3:51

I don't. And then the coyote comes

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over. I mean, the injuries on the

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arm are the most mysterious things to

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me in terms of, I just

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like that, like a debris

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feeling. How the fuck

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is that plastic getting 10

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feet yard? Well, that too. Yeah. I mean,

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come on, dude. I know. We have

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to use common sense. I know. To me,

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though, the whole thing is, if

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Procter isn't the one who

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planted it, then to me, the

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most reasonable explanation has always

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been that the plow tossed

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it up there. Sure. The plow

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came through. Yeah. I

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mean, I don't know how

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many feet. I mean, I live in a

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snowy area. Yeah. I know that they, like,

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Flowers can propel shit, you know, they can.

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There's no question that when they're coming in,

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when they're coming in 15, 20 miles an

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hour and they got that that blade tilted.

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Yeah. I mean, they're getting shit over to

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the side of the road. Yeah. How far

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that kind of stuff would fly. I don't

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think it's beyond the scope. No. I I

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think that it would flow 10 feet. I

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would say, yeah. that point, John O 'Keeffe's

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already there. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean?

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The debris field doesn't exist. I

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don't know. Yeah. There's I know there's just

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so many inconsistencies. But yeah, having grown up

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up there, too. You get 10 feet

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into your yard and a really snowy

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time is going to be the debris of

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whatever the plow flew up onto the

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side of your yard. 10 feet in it's

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it's sparser at the beginning. It's the

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big mountain that it plows up. But that's

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how it works if you watch a

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plow in really snowy environments. It just it

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flies. Things fly off the road. So

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I mean, I think that could be an

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explanation. But again, does any of it

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come to us without a reasonable doubt? And that

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that's at the end of the day. I

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don't think it does. That's

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I mean, that's where I live dude. Yeah,

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like, you know, it's like I can't

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pretend to know what happened that night. I

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wasn't fucking there Yeah, you know, I

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mean all I could do is is opine

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theories just like everybody else and you

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know, I mean my theory for a year

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has been Something happened where and

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he just slipped and busted his

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head open and and maybe it's

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that situation where she's backing up

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and Like he's he's jumping out of the way

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and he does whip these like you fuck

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that bitch and whips the glass. Yeah back

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But like, you know, when she's coming back,

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because, you know, in an action of doing

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that, because he's hammered, he slips, cracks his

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head on the curb. Yeah. And then he

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gets up and staggers and falls it. Like,

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I don't know. I mean, that seems that

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seems the most plausible to me of anything. It

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really does to me, too, man. And people

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are like, well, where do the arm things come?

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People hate my coyote shit. I

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don't give a fuck. I'm like, I like, I'm

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not going to die on the coyote hill. But

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don't sit here and tell me it's not

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a possibility. It is a possibility. I

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tried to drag him into like coyotes just

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don't eat. their shit out in like open

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spaces. They try to drag it. Yeah. He's

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200 plus pounds. Like that small coyote is

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not going to be able to drag him.

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Yeah. So it might have been a thing

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where it's trying to pull him out and

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it can't do it in fucking dips. Yeah.

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I don't know. Or or any dog for

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that matter. Honestly, people letting their dog out

6:54

before the snow comes in late at night.

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Hey, and you don't watch it. You're like,

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it just comes back and Some

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dog found him out. They're dead. And

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yeah, dogs are going to be dogs. They're going to

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bite at things that are dead. They're going to look

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at it. They're going to drag it a little bit.

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It could be anything. And could it have been Chloe?

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Not in a I'm going to attack you and kill

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you sort of way more of a let's let the

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dog out. And that exact same thing sort of happens.

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What about the dog? Because there

7:20

is the cast of the dog, the mouth

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cast, and I believe that can be

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brought in this round. I think it might

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be brought in this round. What is

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your thoughts on that? Because that part was

7:31

never part of this originally. And the

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dog's still alive, too. Right.

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Well, I think it's problematic

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for Dr. Russell, just because

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she didn't make comparisons. At

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least when she was on the stand the

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most recent time, she's still not Decided

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to make a comparison or look at it

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to see how these to see how

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the cast looked in comparison to the Theoretical

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bite marks. I mean that

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that's a problem for her

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on a cross. Yeah, I

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mean like I have never

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understood Why Any

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expert was was kind of like

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landing on that those were teeth

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marks when to me it just

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seemed Way more

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likely that they were claw marks. They just

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don't look like I mean, you're going

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to have the punctates, you know, like where

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you're having the teeth in and you're tearing,

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you know, I mean, if you're, I

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don't know, like the only part that

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ever looked like teeth was kind of the

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part around the elbow, closest

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to the elbow. And here's the two

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other things look like scratches. They

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they do and I have it up

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on screen here And and there's

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the two versions of it one that

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seems to have a little more

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coloration to it or and then there's

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kind of a more raw image

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Of it and when you look at

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the more raw image of it

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here These are not deep

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injuries. These just look like

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scratches like, you know,

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you rug burn or something

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almost that looks those

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look a little deeper, but

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the the less enhanced image,

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if you will, the one that's not so colorized

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when it looks more raw, they

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don't look that

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horrific, honestly. They don't necessarily

9:15

look like something dug into you,

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like a dog or a coyote dug

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into you and drug you. But

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I see what you're saying up here

9:23

on the shoulder. Those

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mean to me, but they don't look like

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teeth marks. I've got

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it right. That's what I'm saying.

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Like I've got a 70 pound.

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you know, uh, Siberian Husky slash

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Sharpay, who, who unfortunately has very

9:38

long claws. Yeah. And like in

9:40

the times when I'm wrestling and

9:42

playing with them, you know, and

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he uses his arms a lot,

9:46

he's caught me quite a few

9:48

times with just his claws. Like

9:50

not even in an aggressive manner, but

9:52

just playing and they don't look too

9:54

dissimilar from that. I mean, like that,

9:56

you know, I'll get the raised. you

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know, like kind of the raised skin

10:02

from when they they do the scratch

10:04

and I've had it a couple times

10:06

where he's like definitely drawn a little

10:08

blood and You know, I mean they

10:10

kind of look very similar to that.

10:12

You know, so I I don't know man.

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Like what I do what I know

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For what I feel like I do

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know is that the tail light didn't

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explode and cause those entries.

10:23

No, that didn't happen Like that

10:25

that didn't happen. I like

10:27

John O 'Keeffe wasn't injured from

10:30

something underneath the vehicle. Yeah, like I

10:32

reject that totally. I don't think he

10:34

was drugged by the vehicle or anything

10:36

like that. No, any of that shit.

10:38

So I don't know, man. Like it's

10:40

it's it's the thing about this case. is

10:43

no matter what the verdict is, we're

10:45

never gonna really know the answer. No,

10:48

I agree. We're never gonna

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know. And by the time AI evolves

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enough where pets can testify against their

10:54

owners in court, Chloe will be dead. Damn

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it, that would be amazing. I don't know how

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far off that is. I mean, it sounds crazy,

11:04

but did you think we were able to do

11:06

today what we're able to do with stuff? I

11:08

mean, no. That that I was

11:10

almost going to do as an April Fool's joke on here.

11:12

I was going to do a segment where it

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was like new technology allowing pets

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to like testify in court. Yeah.

11:20

That would be that would be exciting. But

11:22

yeah, Karen. Hold on to you. Yeah. Allison,

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is that you? I'm recording.

11:28

What do you need? All

11:31

All right. Sorry, You're fine. Yeah.

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