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Program, Robin Drake. Let's take

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2:23

from the interview with police and Madeline

2:25

Soto. The main point

2:27

here is the police pointing out to her

2:30

that she keeps prioritizing Stefan over

2:33

her daughter. And there's some real

2:35

disturbing reactions here when it

2:37

comes to, I guess, just

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kind of brushing off, for lack of a better

2:42

term, images of

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him assaulting her

2:46

daughter, and there's that, but then she

2:48

just moves on. Let's take a look and we'll talk on the

2:50

other side. Of

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Stefan. No. First

2:57

of all, you had us ask his father if he should get a lawyer?

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No. I saw

3:01

a picture, I didn't see the, I didn't

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know she was getting until yesterday. I

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saw the picture of the oral sex happening. And

3:13

I knew that that was true, right?

3:15

That's evidence, that's for real, that's fucking

3:17

happening. But I

3:20

kept thinking, they're going, I

3:25

don't know why I kept, I

3:27

can't tell you why my brain kept thinking, no, he

3:29

didn't kill her, not that he didn't kill her, but

3:33

she's still missing, she's still out there. She was

3:35

taken. Yes, he's

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done this to her. And

3:41

that's not okay. But

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I swore she was still, I felt in my body,

3:46

she was still alive, she was still out there. I

3:50

told Chris to get a lawyer, because I felt like you

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guys were chasing the wrong person,

3:55

but you weren't, you're not. I showed you a picture.

4:00

picture you saw she was

4:02

giving a blowjob to a grown-ass man and

4:06

you told his dad to get him a lawyer

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missing right now you

4:14

but then you just thought she was missing and

4:17

we were showing you our investigative lead the

4:20

blowjob is I'm

4:25

consensual whether she wants to do it

4:27

or not that is not consensual and

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you prioritized him again you

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prioritized him by offering him or telling

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his dad to get him a lawyer

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not what the fuck did he do okay

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we need to figure out what happened no

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let's protect Stefan I

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wasn't shocked no it's not shocked

4:51

that is your natural instinct to protect Stefan

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okay if that's naturally how you react

4:57

that's fine but that goes

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into what I've been telling you this whole conversations

5:01

I don't believe a lot of the things you're

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saying I don't believe a lot of the things

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you say you weren't aware of and that is

5:08

because you've now shown me twice that

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your first reaction no matter what you were

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told or show this

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thing we're seizing cell phone

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we're showing you pictures of her

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giving him a blowjob your

5:22

first reaction is to protect Stefan

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so now heard

5:28

by Stefan you're aware

5:30

of this you were shown pictures of this you

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were shown pictures of her body in his car

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with a seat belt on right we

5:38

have played it out for you now

5:40

you now you're in a stage where he's

5:42

in jail you know she's passed away and

5:44

now you can feel the motion right until

5:48

that point when you were shown that

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she was deceased your continued first reaction

5:52

is to protect this guy I

5:57

you just said I only saw

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a picture of him, whatever

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your verge was, I say blowjob of

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his penis in her mouth and

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your first reaction was fuck. Oh

6:09

my. You victimized? No, she's being abused.

6:13

No, it's Stefan needs a

6:15

lawyer. Okay.

6:19

Lots, lots to unpack there. What was your

6:21

take on that? I

6:23

think we're seeing a lot here. I

6:25

think, I think for

6:33

the probability of her being

6:35

unaware is pretty

6:37

much zero because

6:41

and the cop did a great job earlier on,

6:43

you know, describing that, you know, even, even couples

6:45

that are cheating on each other with distance know

6:48

that something's going on. Yeah. There's

6:50

red flags and they lived in the same house. And so her, the

6:53

likelihood and probability of her not being aware, I'd say

6:55

is 0.01%. But

6:59

what we're seeing here, we're seeing an emotional reaction

7:02

to a truth bomb being dropped on her

7:05

where she doesn't have the ability to disassociate

7:07

from it. I think she disassociated herself from

7:09

the reality. I remember I've read those descriptions

7:11

to you of what the associate of this

7:14

and do loss of

7:16

memory, trauma, all these, I think she was

7:18

witnessing it and completely in those

7:20

moments she was zoning out. So

7:23

she doesn't, she wasn't absorbing what her

7:25

eyes were seeing because when the truth

7:27

bombs are dropped, that was happening. And

7:29

so when you compound that reality

7:32

of her mental state of horrendous,

7:37

just horrendousness with the fact that,

7:39

and I wrote this down, the first thing I thought

7:41

of in here when regarding her and Stefan was for

7:44

some reason, again, I think

7:46

because of her trauma bonding and her need to

7:48

feel connected to someone. And I don't even say

7:50

him to someone. I say she

7:52

thinks, I mean, just see how this plays when

7:54

you think about her reaction. She

7:56

thinks she can't live

7:59

without someone. like him, not

8:02

him in particular, I don't think,

8:04

because she's not really emotional about him. She's trying,

8:06

I think she's trying to save the idea of

8:08

him, someone, a guy, a man in her life.

8:10

And I think she can't fathom that

8:12

she can exist without someone like that.

8:14

That's why she's rationalizing the behavior she's

8:17

seeing, even though the entire

8:19

time for four years, she's disassociating from

8:21

it. Yeah, I

8:24

just, when you hear

8:26

those facts laid out in front

8:28

of her, the,

8:30

I don't know how to

8:32

say, callous, but the disconnect of,

8:34

Disconnect. Like, okay. And that's

8:37

bad, right? Yes, it's bad.

8:39

It's not okay. It's

8:41

more than not okay. It's just

8:43

not a, the reaction of a

8:45

healthy individual to something like

8:47

that. She didn't, she just kept going

8:49

on. Well, she's missing, right? Yeah,

8:52

and you're sitting there given a back rub to

8:54

the guy that you found out did this. And

8:56

you're, yeah, I don't know.

8:58

It defies logic, but that's what some people do

9:01

because their brains don't work. This isn't logical. When

9:03

you deal with the emotional brain, it's not logical.

9:06

And so here's what I think is good news

9:08

for justice, for Maddie, and that is, all

9:11

what we're talking about here is not excusing

9:13

the behavior, it's understanding the behavior. I think

9:15

she is screwed because she

9:17

knew exactly what was going on. She

9:20

just wasn't absorbing what was going on. That's

9:22

not an excuse for allowing it to go

9:24

on. I think she's gonna be culpable. I

9:27

think it's gonna be turned out very poorly

9:29

for her, not nearly as poorly for the

9:31

scumbag that did it to her, to Maddie,

9:33

but she's screwed. Yeah,

9:35

I mean, she's immune right now. Anything she said

9:37

in that interview cannot be used against her. But

9:40

if there's new evidence that comes out, which I'm sure there

9:42

will be in a case like this, that

9:45

can be. So I agree.

9:47

I don't think it's gonna end well. This

9:49

is such a broken human being. But

9:53

at the same point, it's like, you're a danger.

9:55

You're a danger to yourself. You're a danger to

9:57

other people out there that you interact with because

9:59

you are. so broken, hence you shouldn't be

10:01

out there in the public. Look what already happened

10:03

to your daughter. And that's

10:05

where I just hope she doesn't get a

10:07

pass on this for helping the authorities. I hope that

10:10

she is held accountable for

10:12

her own part in this, whether

10:15

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10:17

just had the slightest inkling. If you're a parent, you

10:19

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10:21

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10:24

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10:26

only thing she knew how to do. I

10:28

know these two broken people destroyed a child. Yeah,

10:31

yeah. And I can only imagine

10:34

their path of destruction beyond maybe not

10:36

murder or anything, but the other people

10:38

in their lives that they've been around.

10:41

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10:44

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10:46

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10:48

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10:52

amongst really healthy people. They

10:54

are normal around their circle of influence in

10:56

their lives. And so there's a lot of

10:58

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