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Hoy, everybody. We are back.

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And the first question I just

2:28

need to get out there right now, Bob, is

2:30

to ask about how obsessed fest was.

2:33

Oh my god. Listen everybody that's

2:35

that's listening to this right now and all of you that

2:37

are live in YouTube. The second

2:40

obsessed fast twenty twenty three tickets on

2:42

sale, get them. It was the

2:44

most amazing festival.

2:46

It would III

2:48

words can't describe The

2:50

the programming was incredible. The

2:52

people, the community there, was

2:54

just it was just so

2:57

kind and joyous and

2:59

and just such an inclusive community, and it

3:01

was I I mean, there was so much I

3:03

I sound cliche and corny, but there really

3:06

was so much love in that place. And

3:08

and it and it's all created by, you know, independent

3:11

podcasters, Patrick Hines, and Julien

3:13

Ponzivali with obsessed network, put this

3:15

thing on and they did everything

3:17

they could do to give you the very best programming, you

3:19

know, like the Bob Ruff comedy hour and

3:23

keep the prices at half of that shit

3:25

fest, crime con. By the way, I'm not going after

3:27

going to this I'll just say this. After

3:29

going to obsessed fest, if anybody

3:31

that wants to ask to people ask me all the time, no,

3:33

I'm for for five hundred reasons

3:36

already, I wasn't, but definitely ever

3:38

going to obsess, hesitancy, and what

3:40

a gathering of true

3:42

crime fans like that can be

3:45

and should be. I will not be attending

3:47

crime con ever again, but

3:49

I will never miss another obsessed fest ever.

3:53

It it was it was incredible.

3:55

I'm sure most of you were wondering. nailed

3:58

it with the

3:59

the hour.

4:02

I will

4:04

say in the pre show, I want everyone to know that

4:06

he exercised great restraint and we only

4:08

started talking about his hour of

4:10

comedy out of SUSFEST. halfway

4:12

in. Like, we got through half an

4:14

hour before we get into it. And that was because

4:17

you made me. I was gonna wait and make you ask.

4:19

And you finally asked about halfway

4:21

halfway through it. Mhmm. But really it was. I that

4:23

was obviously, that was an hour. I really enjoyed

4:25

doing it. It did it did go remarkably

4:27

well because I had Joy Toronto and

4:31

Ellen Marsh open for me and they're fabulous

4:33

and they really set the tone. But, I mean, it

4:35

was, like, I

4:37

had so many people tell me throughout their weekend.

4:39

They laughed, they cried. I was on

4:41

a very serious main stage panel

4:43

with Gillian Pensvale and

4:46

Damien Echols. the

4:48

opening ceremony panel, the the call

4:50

it the Mega True Crime Panel,

4:52

was absolutely incredible. A

4:55

lot of tiers there, me and I don't know if you saw it on social

4:57

media, me and Pain Lidsy coming out with

4:59

with Robbie and holding her arms up cheering

5:01

forever with everybody. Amazing.

5:04

Amazing. Amazing. So

5:07

when obsessed

5:10

best tickets come on sale, next

5:12

for twenty twenty three, get

5:14

them. Get in there. You will never have so much They're

5:16

gonna go fast. Oh my god. And I and

5:18

I I think it'll be two, three times the size of

5:20

it was that it was this year. I hope that it was.

5:22

Yeah. The the the grand finale

5:25

was a drag show brunch, and

5:27

it was the most fun I've ever had in my entire

5:29

life. you could just I was I was sitting I had

5:31

told Jill or Jillian. I was with Jillian

5:33

all weekend. I told Janet, you

5:35

know, I was I was sitting with

5:37

with Damian. at it. And he was

5:39

just like, you can feel the energy.

5:42

Like, just the happy

5:44

loving energy in that room.

5:46

It was it's amazing. Awesome. So

5:49

get your obsessed fast tickets. And

5:51

I wanna move on from there before we get

5:53

into all the questions and stuff, Janet.

5:56

Can you snow? Speaking

5:57

of love, I love

6:00

all of you so fucking much.

6:02

We put up a go fund me. I asked

6:04

you guys if we could come up with five thousand

6:06

dollars to help Kenny

6:08

transition home. As of recording,

6:11

this is Tuesday night.

6:12

The the go fund

6:14

me is at sixteen thousands

6:17

-- Yeah. -- dollars. To fifteen

6:20

thousand.

6:20

That's so great.

6:22

And and

6:24

another listener. I

6:26

I don't know if she wants me to say the organization

6:28

or the name yet. So I'll I'll come back to that later if

6:30

she does because I didn't ask her that. Okay.

6:33

but

6:33

but

6:34

works for a nonprofit that does grants

6:36

for situations like this

6:38

and leached out to me today and

6:41

asked me if if I could put

6:43

her in contact with Kenny and his wife thelma

6:45

because she has another twenty five hundred dollars

6:48

for them.

6:48

Amazing. So that's amazing.

6:51

So, yeah, as of now, our five

6:53

thousand dollar goal is at eighteen thousand

6:55

five hundred dollars. and

6:58

still growing. I watched the number go

7:00

up when I was a little suspicious. People who have never

7:02

listened to our show. When I

7:04

was on stage and I mentioned Robbie

7:06

x he brought up what

7:08

happened with Kenny Snow. I told him about it, and I said, we

7:10

just put up this go fund me. In the

7:12

next hour, by the time I went back to

7:14

the green room, it had gone up thousand

7:16

dollars. I mean, just that quick, like, people just jumped

7:18

on there immediately. I

7:21

love that. If you talk to Kenny,

7:22

I know people wanted to know, like, Kim

7:24

had a question. Like, do you sort of wanted to actually

7:27

know, like, did you have that conversation with

7:29

Kenny where you're able to tell him that yet?

7:31

Yes. So I called

7:33

Kenny today. One of the I told you guys last week, one of

7:35

the things that really made me wanna I I

7:37

wanna do it anyway. But when Kenny reached

7:39

out and called me, like, he just called me genuinely

7:42

just to thank me and thank all of you

7:44

for what we did.

7:46

And and and never asked for anything.

7:49

And

7:51

and so today, I called

7:53

Kenny and and told

7:55

him about the money. And it was and it's

7:57

funny because in the conversation, he's

7:59

like

7:59

telling me about

8:01

his day and his new job that he's getting

8:03

and all this stuff. And I told him about the money and he's

8:05

like, thanks.

8:07

And then, like,

8:09

there there was no, like, I

8:11

got eighteen thousand dollars. He's just like,

8:14

thank you. And then I was like, well, I

8:16

need to figure out a way to set up to get the money

8:18

transferred, and he's like he's like, well, well,

8:20

you you should probably talk to my wife because I don't

8:22

know how any stuff

8:24

works. And and

8:26

so what I did is I

8:28

I recorded that conversation. I wanted you guys to

8:30

hear it. There's a lot of, like, back and forth

8:32

his wife. So I cut, like, a little bit of it out of

8:34

the middle. I just kinda just a little bit a

8:36

little bit of our conversation, I thought you guys appreciate

8:38

that you could hear. And with this new equipment

8:40

that Again, thank you so much to our patrons.

8:42

We actually have a sound board that works

8:44

now. And I was

8:46

I I think this is gonna work. I have have

8:48

that conversation loaded on the board so we

8:50

can listen to it live if you guys wanna

8:52

do it. Nice. Absolutely. So

8:55

here's Here here is some

8:57

of about four minutes or so of my

8:59

conversation with Kenny today. I

9:02

went to where he got the other day, and

9:04

I remember him. I'm I'm like I'm

9:06

I'm just moving on my back. So I'm on

9:08

my knees. I'm

9:12

fighting all those old muscles again. Oh,

9:15

like, I got it. Yeah.

9:19

Yeah. No. That I got

9:21

it. So

9:22

I got, like,

9:23

You

9:25

don't go do a job.

9:28

You you do application or you do

9:30

a thing over over the phone or

9:32

over the computer. Uh-huh.

9:34

So I got some

9:36

line of fulfilling our

9:39

job, but, you know, either. I'm

9:42

tired of getting in your FedEx for a

9:44

year. Well,

9:45

that well, that's how you're you're coming

9:48

up. That's how you're here.

9:49

really

9:50

good, man. And and actually, that's that's

9:52

kinda why I'm calling you.

9:54

So after

9:55

I talked to you last week, man was really excited.

9:57

I I told the listeners you were home

9:59

everybody was really excited. So we put

10:01

up a little fundraiser to try to to

10:03

try to get them here, to try to get the

10:05

money for you, to help you, you know, get a

10:07

car, and get yourself started out. And

10:10

-- Yeah. -- dude, there's you you've

10:12

got about eighteen thousand dollars right

10:14

now. They

10:14

sent in the the go fund me.

10:16

They've raised almost sixteen thousand

10:18

and

10:19

just had somebody reach out. There's some grant

10:21

program that wants to send you another

10:23

twenty five hundred on top of that. So

10:25

we're we're we're at about eighteen thousand

10:27

dollars. I'm

10:29

crazy, sir.

10:30

You're you're very welcome, dude. And that's that's

10:33

what that's what they do. They just wanna help

10:35

and make sure that that that you've got, you

10:37

know, you've got a stable foundation to kinda

10:39

move on with the with the rest of your life.

10:41

So As you

10:42

can see, I'm not too I'm not too

10:44

king with home. It

10:47

takes us it takes a little time

10:49

to figure it out. Right. We're out

10:51

there. We're out there. We're we're using a

10:53

lot that I was treating you as well. Now you're getting

10:55

fired. Right? Yeah.

10:58

Well, everything that I thank you, sir. I'm

10:59

I'm not right. I'm I'm not very

11:02

fair. You know, they they

11:04

sent me a rough thing for her to go to

11:06

orientation. No worries

11:08

about about about three weeks.

11:10

That's great. You know, you hear me now. You take

11:13

forty five days. Yeah. Yeah.

11:15

Yeah. Well,

11:15

I I I'm glad you got that set up, and

11:18

I wanna And and and I've got I've

11:20

got record going on this call, so I

11:22

wanted I wanted to give you a chance. I

11:24

know I know the audience wanted to wanted to

11:26

hear from you. So you wanna take a minute for

11:28

Alexia going. Anything you wanna say to all the

11:30

audience and everybody, I'll just give you a

11:32

space right now to do that. Alright.

11:34

Well,

11:35

first of all, I'd like to thank you.

11:37

I'd like

11:37

to say with mister mister Ralph

11:40

for

11:40

helping me by leaf.

11:42

my

11:43

name first. But she she found

11:45

him and told

11:46

me and and it didn't

11:48

a lot of things didn't go the way he was

11:51

playing, but

11:51

by what he did

11:54

do. He helped me. He got to parole

11:56

people. My

11:56

wife sent him the stuff that that

11:59

was found out and that's

12:00

why they gave me a chance. So

12:02

and

12:03

they gave me a chance and and

12:05

I'm I'm about here in

12:07

the free world trying to keep things

12:09

staying situated, but, you know, I

12:11

just type to tell you all of y'all and

12:13

and I

12:14

was like to help

12:15

some other people one

12:17

day, and

12:18

I I

12:19

thank mister Ruffo. It all it does

12:22

for me. He's a good man and

12:24

I and I love him and I will have

12:26

number of respect for him. And in

12:28

doubt if you need to see anything. The only

12:30

thing I do is call him, color.

12:32

And I thank all of y'all for believing me

12:34

and me, give me another

12:36

chance to life and to

12:39

decide he and and

12:41

I'm I'm

12:43

blessed. And I'm

12:45

I'm up. I appreciate everything,

12:47

and I'm trying to And

12:49

and if anybody that hasn't harmed her

12:52

anyway, I asked for forgiveness,

12:54

and this is my second chance,

12:56

and I'm a I'm a make the best

12:58

of it. And

12:59

I

13:00

just thank y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all. Y'all. Y'all. Y'all. Y'all. Y'all.

13:02

Y'all. Y'all. I listened to this to

13:04

the I'm gonna listen. the podcast. I

13:07

found out how to do it. And then

13:09

I'm I just paying all of

13:11

y'all, and I love

13:12

you. There it

13:13

is.

13:16

I hope

13:18

everybody could hear that okay. And I hope

13:20

I hope that That's

13:22

new. That's a new trick that we have with the new

13:24

board to be able to play that. But

13:26

I wanna start to blind

13:28

side you with that, but I wanted everybody to be

13:30

able to hear it live. Absolutely.

13:33

Hey. So it it

13:35

was so I

13:37

could do it. I'm like, I just told them, like, hey,

13:39

we're gonna give you eighteen thousand dollars,

13:41

and he's talking in but in two

13:43

or three times that I I like something that you can hear

13:45

the little low in the middle where I kinda cut cut some

13:47

stuff out. He's he's he's

13:49

he's he's he wants to talk about his job

13:51

that he's getting at FedEx. And he's,

13:53

like, he's just so motivated

13:55

to do stuff, and and to hear him

13:57

laughing and joking about,

14:00

in the middle of all that,

14:02

we were, like, on the

14:03

phone, he was trying to get me

14:05

to talk thelma and

14:07

his wife through how

14:09

to he could get the podcast on the

14:11

phone. And then somebody was like, I'm I'm

14:13

not real keen on these phones. See.

14:16

Yeah. Yeah. Just a

14:18

minute. No, man.

14:18

That's fantastic. Yeah. I mean,

14:21

if I if I had to pick a

14:23

favorite

14:23

part, it actually might be when he says that

14:25

if you ever need anything, you

14:27

know, you just call and he'll he's gonna come

14:29

out and that that just Oh, yeah. That's

14:31

really lovely. Yeah. He told me and when I

14:33

talked to him the first time last week when he told me that

14:35

he was home, he said same thing. He said, I want

14:37

to after I get myself

14:39

establish

14:39

and get back to normal. I wanna help

14:42

people too. So, you know, he

14:43

wants to just

14:46

good dude.

14:46

Wonderful. Just good dude. And

14:49

And so I hope all of you in the chat

14:51

and the people listening to this enjoyed

14:53

that, Kenny. And I did connect

14:55

with Thelma later and

14:57

She has gotten in there and set up the withdrawal.

15:00

So by the time you hear this episode, they should have

15:02

the money and Kenny will be able

15:04

to go out and shop for a pretty

15:06

damn nice car. Thanks to you

15:08

guys or whatever they need. So,

15:10

again, amazing. If you haven't donated

15:12

yet, the way the GoFund works as long

15:14

as it's active and they have withdrawal set up, they'll

15:16

just continue. You can continue donating.

15:18

And if you donate a month from now, it'll go in

15:20

and it'll go to their bank account. So

15:22

so don't hesitate to do that anything we can

15:24

do to to help Kenny.

15:26

Great.

15:26

Great. Great. Great. Great. Great.

15:29

Great work, everybody. That's

15:31

It was really, really great to hear his voice. That's

15:33

wonderful. Well,

15:36

should we move into our

15:38

follow-up

15:38

for now that we had all that nice

15:41

stuff going, I

15:44

kind of think I'm gonna fuck up your

15:46

whole outline. I'm

15:47

sorry. So So okay.

15:50

We'll see how this goes.

15:54

Alright.

15:57

Literally,

15:57

I thought I had everything figured out.

15:59

You heard the struggles I had with

16:02

trying to make the the

16:04

Sky Valley Wednesday night

16:06

thing fit. And I, like, found a

16:08

way in the records where it could

16:10

fit But like I even said in there, like, one

16:12

option is it's all bullshit because it really doesn't look

16:14

to me like it

16:16

fit. unless

16:18

we have all these weird sets of circumstances,

16:21

and it took it

16:23

took one text message with

16:26

one sentence that said,

16:28

hey, Have you thought about maybe it

16:30

was and it was it

16:32

was one of I don't even know

16:34

who suggested it. It came from one of Robert's

16:36

family members sent me a text that somebody

16:38

had suggested this to them.

16:40

Uh-huh. They said, you

16:42

know, what if the trip to Sky

16:44

Valley and the breakup was Thursday night

16:46

into Friday morning instead of Wednesday night

16:48

into Thursday. And I was

16:50

like, no, that can't be. And

16:53

then I looked at the records, and I'm ninety nine percent

16:55

sure that's what it is. Okay.

16:59

So let me just run through this with regards to Please

17:01

do. real quick. Please

17:03

do. So

17:05

obviously, we have for

17:07

team Wednesday night, you have

17:10

both Javier and

17:13

Jacob. Now now Javier

17:15

doesn't say anything about Wednesday night. Wednesday night, he

17:17

says he was with Becky when he well, he said

17:19

Thursday, but was Wednesday. Keep that

17:21

in mind, that he

17:23

was sitting next to Becky when

17:26

when she got the call from Robert. which

17:28

I thought was weird. Like, where are they at? Where he's just there? Like, he's just, like,

17:30

sitting with her and she's chatting with -- Right.

17:32

-- with Robert. But they both but

17:34

on team Wednesday night,

17:37

Robert or excuse me, Jacob and

17:39

Javier both said

17:41

that the breakup in the trip to Sky

17:43

Valley happened Thursday morning. what

17:45

are the odds they both got it wrong. Turns out about ninety

17:47

nine percent. But what we

17:50

got remember I've been saying

17:52

for, like, four months I

17:54

don't know why Jacob keeps doubling down.

17:57

Right. On going to Costa

17:59

Mesa, on

17:59

Thursday, when we know

18:01

he didn't

18:02

go till Friday.

18:04

Right. It doesn't make any sense. There's no utility in

18:06

it. Nothing happened there. I don't there's

18:09

I don't know why he keeps doing

18:11

that. So

18:13

then I was like, well, he actually did go to

18:15

whole coast of Mesa on

18:18

Friday. And and

18:19

then he's and we know he was there

18:21

through that night. He also made mention of

18:23

the fifteenth was his

18:26

Becky's anniversary, and they broke up

18:28

on her anniversary. The fifteenth was

18:31

Friday.

18:31

Yeah. And

18:33

and the gaps in call log. And it

18:35

was one list and I apologize. I didn't catch the

18:37

name of of one of the listeners. is because think I

18:39

commented that I don't know what any of this means, so I'm

18:41

a treat it as disrespect. But they

18:43

made, like, this visual graft of,

18:45

like, where Becky's, like, most active

18:47

times and downtimes were Oh, no.

18:48

I definitely saw that. I thought I shouted him out

18:51

last week, but if I didn't

18:52

You you probably did. Yes.

18:54

But you could see these, like, big gaps.

18:56

And then and then there's the does she really go sixty

18:58

four hours without sleeping?

19:00

Yeah.

19:01

Well, if The Sky Valley

19:03

thing happened on Thursday

19:06

night in the Friday morning,

19:08

then that means that six

19:10

hour gap that we have on Wednesday night

19:12

in the Thursday morning would just

19:15

be Becky sleepy. Sleeping. Yeah.

19:18

Yeah. So so

19:20

there's there's all these factors, and then she

19:22

has this like twelve hour gap with

19:25

no activity on

19:27

on Thursday night going into

19:30

Friday, it all leads

19:32

me to believe that the reason we

19:34

had such a hard time fitting

19:37

it is because the

19:39

Sky Valley thing happened on

19:42

Thursday night And then it was

19:44

Friday morning where they went and picked

19:46

up the

19:47

phone. Her and Jacob broke

19:49

up. like he said

19:51

after they broke up, that

19:53

night he took off and went to Costa

19:55

Mesa -- Yep. -- and then he says he

19:58

took he says he took and I was I was weird

19:59

too because he said, you know, I work

20:02

weekdays, two to eight, and I

20:04

work Saturdays, eight to whatever.

20:06

but I called in this Saturday because I was

20:08

I was like, well, what about if you went Thursday,

20:10

you had to call in either Thursday

20:13

or Friday? Like, how does,

20:15

you know, What's interesting

20:16

about this to me is that last

20:19

week, I had

20:21

questions and comments So

20:23

if you are a person who commented on the Facebook page and

20:26

thought, but I said something about

20:28

this. If you recall, I was

20:30

told expressly by Bob

20:32

Ruff not to talk about all of

20:34

that stuff because it was all going to

20:36

be addressed in Sunday's

20:38

episode. So Did people did

20:39

people have that worked out last

20:41

week? Oh, yeah.

20:42

No. And I'm

20:43

a slow idiot that's behind everybody.

20:45

hundred percent. There are

20:46

people who were there absolutely were, and

20:49

I don't have that follow-up in front

20:51

of me. But for sure, I wanna shout out the folks.

20:53

There was a conversation. I wanna say there was

20:55

a separate, like, Facebook post that wasn't part

20:57

of the follow-up that was about that.

20:59

Okay. And then there was, I think somebody also,

21:01

a couple people on the follow-up, kept

21:03

we're saying, what if that is one

21:05

day off? It's one day

21:07

off. and that allows for

21:09

certain things to be possible.

21:11

Caroline, as if that changed anything, it took

21:13

place on Sunday, no, not necessarily,

21:15

but it's it's part of our victimology is to try to understand what

21:17

was actually going on with

21:20

Becky. Right. Because I to be honest and

21:22

I'm sure you have comments about this.

21:24

Like, sixty four hours away, people were, like, is there is there some

21:26

kind of amphetamines, or is there something going on

21:28

there? Or what's up? All's but then it's, like,

21:30

well, no. She just you she worked

21:32

on she slept Monday night

21:34

and she worked Tuesday night and she slept Wednesday

21:37

night and she slept, you know, now all of a sudden

21:39

everything's reasonable.

21:41

Yeah.

21:41

For being moved over there.

21:44

Yeah. So

21:45

so and and sorry.

21:48

I'll say this. We're gonna have a new rule

21:50

on the fan page. Any comments you have

21:52

about the production? Send

21:54

an email or a DM. We're

21:56

just deleting those off of it. Because what

21:58

what happens is And

21:59

and

21:59

this goes for compliments and

22:02

complaints and and and people

22:04

that that are just popping in there just to say, by

22:06

the way, I didn't like the way this episode

22:08

sounded. I don't there's no point in that

22:10

other than just to, like, either get validation or

22:12

people arguing with you and it it always turns into

22:14

a shit show. What it does is it's,

22:16

like, I don't even It

22:17

distracts from the conversation that's

22:20

supposed to be happening on the fan

22:22

page, and it doesn't accomplish anything.

22:24

So I it sounds like I'm joking and I am but

22:26

but I'm being serious. Like, we're gonna start

22:28

start removing

22:29

comments where that there are

22:31

posts that are people are making about production,

22:34

about the music and the sound and

22:36

whatever like, like, if you have a complaint, send it

22:38

to me. That page is not

22:40

meant to validate your complaints. That

22:42

page is meant to discuss the case. because,

22:44

like so, like, this discussion because there

22:45

was a point last week where there was, like, so much

22:47

of that going on, goods and bads and everything and the

22:50

pea butter was arguing. I was just, like, fuck this. I'm

22:52

not even gonna get in the

22:54

page. I don't even wanna be there.

22:56

Right. And if I'm doing that, then I'm

22:58

sure a lot of other people are doing that too. So

23:00

Right. So anyway, let's stop doing

23:02

that. But yeah. I'm sorry. I I missed all that. I did

23:04

of course, I was traveling and stuff last week too. But

23:07

yeah. So for those of you that already had that

23:09

figured out good job, I never

23:12

That being

23:12

said, I didn't get a lot of like, I didn't

23:14

see a lot of posts for today's follow-up

23:17

of people saying, wait a

23:19

minute. I already said such and

23:20

such. Of of course not because

23:22

I made I made a compelling case

23:25

for how it could have happened on Wednesday

23:27

night. I spent three days trying

23:30

to figure out how it could have happened on

23:32

Wednesday night. Yeah.

23:34

And it was a mess. Even that even the script there

23:36

was, like, hard to get through because I kept changing it

23:38

because I'm like, oh, I gotta figure it out. I'm like, now this

23:40

call doesn't fit. Uh-huh. And so the number, like,

23:42

changing everything all the time. Yeah.

23:45

But, yeah, I I'm I'm

23:47

very I'm all

23:49

but a hundred percent convinced.

23:52

that that's what happened. That that they broke

23:54

up. And then now we know that

23:56

Javier and Beau said Friday night they went

23:58

and hung out

23:59

at Jacobs. before they

24:01

went up to the party at Nick

24:03

Nick Core Lines. Uh-huh.

24:05

Neither of them said they hung out with

24:08

Jacob. they said they hung out at Jacobs. But also Jacobs'

24:10

record show, he didn't go to I think he

24:12

worked from two to eight, and they don't

24:14

show that he went

24:15

to coast of Mesa until

24:18

much later that night. So -- Mhmm. --

24:20

that can fit. That there's nothing that doesn't

24:22

that isn't able to track

24:23

And now we don't have to wonder about what

24:26

time

24:26

the breakfast was because I could

24:28

not get on board for, like,

24:30

I guess

24:30

they must have had breakfast. six

24:32

in the morning. Right.

24:33

And that's when I finally came, like,

24:35

the only way this works is

24:37

if -- Yeah. -- these three teenagers

24:40

-- No. decided after

24:42

being up till three, they're gonna

24:44

get up at five thirty and have

24:46

breakfast or just never sleep or

24:48

something. Yeah. So Right. Yeah.

24:50

Okay. Well, that was the

24:51

follow-up, everybody. Thank you. Yeah. That's it.

24:53

You guys don't have any questions because none

24:55

of them applied. No. We still

24:57

believe it or not do have some

25:00

specific questions that don't necessarily

25:02

pertain to this. I tried

25:04

to group some of those. I mean, I have, like,

25:06

a little

25:07

grouping of the discussion around

25:10

sleeping that I guess we can go ahead

25:12

in eighty six. Yeah. I

25:14

mean, assuming that that what all

25:16

these listeners figured out far ahead

25:19

of me, is

25:19

true that, yeah, I mean, it's

25:21

not as much sleep as my old ass

25:24

needs. Right. But, yeah,

25:26

it's perfectly reasonable for

25:28

a teenager to, you know, after working one night shift to yeah.

25:30

I think her sleep pattern's fine.

25:32

Yeah. You

25:32

know what? Maybe maybe we'll end up

25:35

touching in on some of those questions anyway

25:37

because Let's see. Let's

25:38

see what happens. Let but let's

25:40

start with some just kind of phone, general

25:42

phone stuff to

25:45

start. Did see a question from a couple people

25:48

about John and Vicky cellphones. I know

25:50

you mentioned in the episode

25:52

that they hardly ever use them. Mhmm.

25:54

But that still sort of prompted some interest in,

25:56

like, well, you know, see those saw records? Like,

25:58

where

25:58

does that kind of come

25:59

into play? Yeah. We still have the excel

26:02

sheet coming out. I I know you guys are dying, and I

26:04

know we but

26:06

Teresa right now is now backdating. So some

26:08

of the records we don't have, like, they the reason we on

26:10

Mondays because we have everybody's from

26:12

Monday. But like Becky's, we have

26:14

back further. So

26:16

she's, like, now going in and and filling

26:18

all those out. There's some

26:20

redactions that are being made in there

26:22

and formatting stuff. So hope is

26:24

all IIII think we're getting

26:26

close by the end of this week. We'll be able to put

26:28

that out. But, literally, everything on John and Vicki's records, if

26:30

I remember correctly, I think I like,

26:32

way back in the episode where we went through the the

26:34

phone records the first time, not

26:36

not first time, like, last week, but the first time, like,

26:38

two or three months ago when I just

26:40

did, like, the weekend. I think I, like,

26:43

read

26:43

every single call that they had on their

26:45

records. Like, literally, they they pulled, like, a three

26:47

week period and, like,

26:49

Vicky had six calls and John had three or

26:51

something like that. Like, it's a it's an extremely

26:54

tiny number of phone calls they

26:56

made, but those will also be

26:58

included.

26:58

included Okay.

27:00

Sarah Sarah

27:02

g says in your experience, is

27:04

the amount of phone records pulled in this

27:07

case typical?

27:07

That's a good question. I don't know if there's a

27:09

typical I

27:11

still maintain there's more records

27:13

than we're seeing. you

27:15

know, like, we don't have Robert's text records --

27:18

Right. -- stuff like that. But

27:20

usually, there'll be, like, a build on

27:22

it. Right? So we get In

27:24

the first we get Robert's

27:26

records, Christian's records, obviously Becky,

27:29

John Vicky, Javier,

27:31

Jacob, and then they see

27:33

that last call on her cell phone on the way of the mountain was that Josh

27:36

Ernie, so they pull his records.

27:38

But what what what I don't like is

27:40

then it's like, well, then they start, you know, we start

27:43

all this stuff about, like, Austin, Alba?

27:45

Well, then I

27:45

think, like, like, I I wish they had then

27:47

say, okay. Well, let's pull his records too and see if we

27:49

can figure out what's going on with him. But It's

27:51

a fair amount. I've seen cases with less and I've

27:53

seen cases with

27:54

more. Yeah.

27:56

Donna had

27:58

an

27:59

interesting post. She says,

28:01

I'm wondering if a text message

28:03

was sent to Becky while she was at home, she

28:05

wouldn't receive it. But as soon as she got into

28:07

an area with coverage, would that

28:09

message then deliver? I'm wondering if it would

28:12

affect the cell phone timeline. And I

28:14

don't know that that totally makes sense,

28:17

but it I but it did sort of

28:19

trigger that interesting idea of, like, oh,

28:21

yeah. When we are out of service

28:23

and then something rolls in, like, the

28:25

choices that we make sometimes seem delayed based on you know, but we

28:27

don't know what the text

28:27

is at anyway. Think the question is

28:30

more based around we

28:32

know that happens. Right? Somebody sends you

28:34

a text around when you come into service, you

28:36

get it. The question is,

28:39

what time is on your records when

28:41

it got sent? or when you came

28:43

back in the service. I believe it's when it sent.

28:45

Right? I believe it's when it sent. Yeah. Because there's

28:48

no towers listed for the cell phone or

28:50

for the text messages. not

28:52

positive about that, but I I believe

28:54

that's the case. A

28:55

good question. Right, Donna? Yeah. Very good. Yeah.

28:57

Great.

28:58

Okay. Melissa I think we've

29:00

kind of decided on this, but Melissa was

29:02

just wondering is it possible that Becky never even

29:04

left her phone on Sky Valley and just sort of he used

29:06

it as an skews were not answering Jacob's

29:09

calls. But if they he was literally in

29:10

the car going to Skype really, that would

29:12

have been, like, So

29:14

that's a pretty that's not

29:17

something someone to call your bluff. That's really

29:19

committing to to a bit as we would

29:21

say. That's the that

29:23

that's the kind of theory we were looking for when we thought it happened

29:25

on Wednesday night. But now that we know that

29:27

it happened on Friday night,

29:30

we we we we don't need for

29:32

that to be case. I think that that yeah.

29:34

I think everything's pretty pretty easy going

29:36

and clear now. With that

29:37

being said, there there were

29:40

still questions from Beth and

29:42

Kjell And I do think that this intentionally

29:45

originally fit into the sort of how are

29:47

she making all these calls. But

29:49

With all that said, they did say it should be

29:51

considered that some of the calls made on Becky's phone were not

29:54

her calls. My son is a similar age. This is

29:56

from Beth. and he and his friends were notorious

29:58

for using the phone between them that had the

29:59

most minutes available or even loaning out phones

30:02

without parent permission, of course. kind of

30:04

like a nod did. That could explain some unknown

30:06

numbers, lost time, the lack of sleep time.

30:07

We'll just omit the lack of sleep time. Right. She

30:09

may not have left her don't know. She may have

30:11

it. I understand. But I do think

30:14

that that could, you know, that's not

30:16

that

30:16

that doesn't necessarily have to be just explaining

30:18

that one thing. It's just sort of a general behavior

30:20

that I think Beth and Shell had

30:22

a similar comment just sort of to

30:24

have floating around. Yeah. That's

30:25

for sure possible that

30:27

maybe some

30:28

of those calls or somebody else but

30:30

I bet we have no way to to

30:32

know that. Right? So the

30:34

so yeah. I I don't know. So

30:36

I'll agree that, yeah, it's possible

30:38

just don't have any evidence to indicate that's what

30:41

happened. Right.

30:42

And Kristen says, do we have any

30:44

of the text actual text messages from anyone.

30:46

We don't have anybody's, like, readable

30:49

text messages.

30:49

No. Not readable text messages. Right. Okay. Yeah.

30:51

I

30:51

just saw that Kristen in the chat.

30:53

Weirdly. Also, Kristen, your name

30:55

happens to be next up in the

30:58

previously posted follow-up questions.

31:00

This kind of takes us into the

31:02

sleeping conversation, which we've already addressed,

31:04

but because stimulants

31:07

came into the conversation -- Mhmm. --

31:09

both on the follow-up and just

31:11

in conversation before even we ask for

31:13

follow-up questions, it might be

31:15

good to address a couple things

31:17

just to make sure that

31:19

we're not that this does not perpetuate the idea of

31:21

known information about meth or

31:23

something that isn't actually known.

31:25

Like, there are some folks who felt

31:27

like Well, we've already established that these

31:29

kids were using meth, you know. So I

31:31

just wanted to

31:31

take this moment to say, I don't think that

31:34

that's been established

31:35

No. At all? No. And I've I've spent all day

31:37

to day listening to other interviews that you're gonna

31:39

be hearing in the next week.

31:42

And know what? Like

31:44

like, people have freely admitted that she was smoking pot.

31:46

As a matter of fact,

31:48

there's a bonus episode

31:51

gonna drop

31:52

on Wednesday more. So by the time

31:54

you hear this, if you're on the live, then you're

31:57

gonna jump on it. By the time you hear

31:59

this Friday, There

32:00

will have been a bonus episode that dropped on Wednesday

32:03

morning, and it's worth one of Becky's friends, Jeanie

32:05

McDonald. Jeanie McDaniel,

32:07

excuse me, And and at the

32:09

end of the show here, I'll talk a little bit more about her. But I

32:11

was listening to her and

32:14

some other interviews that we're gonna hear

32:16

from Janelle

32:17

Mick Michel. Mick

32:19

Michel, I think, is how she said she pronounces

32:21

her name. But they're all like, the,

32:23

you know, like, the officers are asking, like,

32:25

Like, you do any drugs or anything? They're like, oh, yeah. She smoked

32:27

pot. She smoked pot. She smoked pot. We also smoked pot.

32:30

But they've asked about any kind of,

32:32

like, meth or anything like that. And everybody

32:34

says, no. And there was none visible on her talk

32:36

screen. I think the reason that's up more came

32:38

into the conversation was because of

32:40

the lack of sleep. I Paul

32:42

Bonette is a longtime listener who

32:44

just hit me up on Twitter right

32:46

before we came in here and was

32:48

like, I it seems odd. I

32:50

don't remember how he put it, but I

32:52

I think he he's he's

32:54

I don't know with the with the he's he's a

32:57

recovering addict. He's

32:59

been around for a long time. And

33:01

and and he had said, man, that you can't that's

33:03

staying up that long. You're gonna have that's

33:05

keeping you awake. But again, we figured out

33:07

that That's

33:08

something keeping you awake, because Bob Raf

33:09

was wrong. Yeah. Yeah. The police were

33:12

wrong. Javier was wrong. Jacob

33:14

was wrong. I was just wrong with

33:16

them. Yeah.

33:17

Great. And just to circle

33:19

back, Kristen, that was not her

33:22

comment. I was mentioning that what Kristen brought up

33:24

was maybe some oblique

33:26

references to cocaine, maybe Hobby, had

33:28

you even used it once or twice

33:30

in some interviews. okay.

33:33

So we resolved that. That takes us

33:36

into some kind of

33:38

x's stuff. Chris and

33:40

again, I've got saying sounds like

33:42

Becky invited, I thought this was a great

33:44

post. Sounds like Becky invited Robert,

33:47

Christian, Havy, Bo, and a

33:49

Marine, possibly Josh Arnie, up to her house on

33:51

Sunday night. does this seem odd to

33:52

you? I haven't heard

33:53

that she invited Beau. Oh, oh, well,

33:56

that is true because Beau said that

33:58

he and Hobby were supposed to go up there

34:00

that night. but it wasn't that Nick Crum same thing. It sounded

34:02

like what

34:03

Bo and Nick thought

34:06

was that as

34:07

a group, they were gonna be hanging out with Becky at some point on

34:09

Sunday night that that that didn't

34:11

happen. And Josh will

34:13

hear on Sunday

34:16

you

34:16

know, it where I left you this week wasn't that he is

34:18

the mysteryiker. It was just that he's

34:20

the last call that was made.

34:23

on the way up the hill. So could

34:26

he be the mystery hiker, and that's where we're gonna dig

34:28

into this weekend, the

34:30

marine. I don't see evidence. No.

34:33

because

34:33

we have the the home phone records. I just I

34:35

just don't see evidence of her talking

34:37

to anyone else. Right?

34:39

So so, like, if if if

34:41

there was this mystery marine that was come hiking, when did she

34:43

talk to him? There's not even,

34:45

like, unknown calls that we don't that that

34:47

could have, like, fit

34:50

that. So, you know, I'm Obviously,

34:52

Robert, as far as the mystery hiker,

34:54

she spoke to Javier, and

34:56

she spoke to Josh Ernie. But

35:00

if

35:00

she called someone from her phone phone, it didn't show up and they have no idea who the marine is. It

35:03

only would have showed up on his phone records. So we would

35:04

not Not on Sunday. We have the home

35:07

phone records for Sunday.

35:09

But isn't

35:09

it on Sunday when their calls we

35:12

know are missing that only show up on

35:13

Yeah. That's a good point. That's a very good

35:15

point because could have been talking to this marine

35:18

and they don't know anything about him, so they can't pull his records. So far as

35:20

anyone sees that call is invisible, that's just proving

35:22

a negative, which is impossible. Yeah. We can't

35:24

really do anything

35:26

with that. Yeah. But it is a very

35:28

good point that we we know on the records that, you know, we see on

35:30

Robert's records

35:30

that Becky was calling

35:32

from the house phone Yeah.

35:35

But that's not on the house

35:37

phone records. Yeah. Oh,

35:38

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

35:42

Sarah says I'm concerned that people will read more into Becky's

35:44

contacting Grey than they should,

35:46

particularly that they will jump to an assumption that the

35:48

calls mean she had no problems with

35:50

Grey or

35:52

worse that the calls are proof there was no abuse.

35:54

Some diff so a few different people weighed

35:56

in on that just feeling a concern --

35:58

Mhmm.

35:58

-- maybe

35:59

in how how you

36:02

phrased that even though you said all

36:04

we really know is that she was calling

36:05

him, not that he

36:08

was not Yeah. And I I think I said all we know is that she wanted to

36:10

talk to him is what I said. Right. And I

36:12

it was either Sarah or might have been

36:15

sue or maybe both of them I was talking to on the

36:18

fan page. And and I I told them, make

36:20

sure you put this because I wanna talk about them the follow-up.

36:22

But, no, it's a it's it's a great point. What

36:24

I meant

36:25

was just only

36:26

thing that I can tell you from the records

36:28

is that Becky wanted to talk to Grey

36:31

is because

36:32

she made the effort to call

36:34

him. So she wanted

36:36

to. The point they

36:38

were making and it's valid is

36:40

want makes it sounds like it

36:43

had to be positive. Correct. And it's, like, you know

36:45

have been, like, why haven't you given

36:46

me this thing back that belongs to me that

36:48

you still have?

36:48

Right. Should have been something like that. Yeah. Yeah. So I I

36:51

should have it's not what I meant, but

36:54

I should chosen a different word than than want. because as I like

36:56

as I was like working through my own thought process

36:58

in the thread where we were talking, I was like,

37:00

I guess it makes sense because I I have

37:02

decided to call the cable

37:04

company, but I didn't want to call

37:06

them. Right. You know, there's I

37:08

mean, it goes deep as you want. If I well,

37:10

I I wanted to call them more than I wanted to

37:12

not have Internet Right. But, you know,

37:14

so depend but just just I wanna

37:16

make crystal clear, when I say that, I'm

37:18

not saying, well, she must still like him and therefore

37:20

there must not be abuse. That's not what I'm saying at

37:23

all. And I'm saying all we know

37:25

is that in the within twenty, you

37:27

know, the day before she died

37:29

on on a couple of occasions,

37:31

or the week before she died on a couple of

37:34

occasions, she decided to call

37:36

him for some reason.

37:38

That's all we know. I don't I

37:41

I just have a hard time the reason I did this episode, one of the

37:42

reasons is I have a hard time just just

37:44

taking other people's words

37:45

for her relationships. I don't like that. I don't

37:48

like that. Javier gets

37:50

to tell

37:52

us what she thought about gray,

37:54

and Javier gets to tell us what gray is

37:56

like when we don't we don't

37:58

know that. So just kinda trying to filter through what we can verify

37:59

and what we can verify is that you called

38:02

them.

38:03

Understood. Understood.

38:06

Daryl

38:06

says, just wanna clarify, do we have Jacob's records from earlier in

38:08

the week where Becky is supposedly not calling

38:10

him even from her

38:11

home phone? I know we don't

38:13

have landline records that far back, but I just want

38:16

clarity on how certain we are

38:18

that she wasn't calling him those

38:20

days.

38:21

the i mean Yeah. I mean, we have his

38:23

records. So I I guess I don't

38:25

fully understand the question. We know in the

38:27

records we went through, She

38:29

definitely didn't call him even from the home phone because the home phone

38:31

would show up on his call

38:34

log. We also know that she wasn't home. She was in

38:36

the valley because she was using

38:38

her phone. during all that all that time. Did I understand the question

38:40

right? Or am I missing something there? I think

38:42

I think I you know,

38:43

I put it in here. There's there's always

38:45

some questions about phone

38:48

call logs and the interpretation

38:50

of

38:50

them and what we do or do not have.

38:52

And sometimes I leave them off because

38:55

they seem more

38:56

like conversations for offline,

38:58

for people who really are tracking and really

39:00

looking at the call logs and wanna help

39:02

and contribute in that way. feels more

39:04

in the weeds when we just talk about it on the

39:06

podcast. Mhmm.

39:07

But this 1II just I

39:09

wanted to include because I wasn't

39:11

sure I didn't I

39:13

didn't understand that we might be

39:15

missing something that

39:18

would that that would help us understand better if

39:20

these calls really

39:22

weren't happening. So I didn't know if there's something I was missing. Like No. There's

39:24

as

39:24

long as the person in question is someone who

39:26

we have their cell phone records for, then

39:30

nothing's missing. So, like,

39:30

where there's plenty of calls Jacob from

39:33

the landline during that

39:36

week, and we know that because they show up

39:38

on Jacob's So yeah, if you're

39:40

not. But like so,

39:42

you know, gray for example.

39:44

Did Becky call gray from

39:46

the landline? No

39:47

idea. No way to know because we don't have his phone

39:49

records. Or Claire or

39:51

Janelle or anyone.

39:54

Exactly.

39:54

Okay. So

39:56

Erica had a long post that I

39:58

promised I wanted to try to paraphrase and

40:01

I hope I do it justice.

40:04

And I understand exactly where she's coming from and

40:06

you will too. But Erica is sort of saying,

40:08

you know, when you talk in the episode

40:12

about saying, From my perspective, it seems like Robert was maybe

40:14

just another ex. You know, it it

40:16

could be perceived that Jacob and

40:18

Becky were already maybe having problems or

40:20

distant or

40:22

weren't as close as we thought

40:24

-- Mhmm. -- before she even makes those plans to hike with Robert, Erica

40:26

took it a little further back

40:30

and says, but what about the connection, the possible connection between

40:32

them running into Robert's mom and

40:34

Jacob and Becky kind of going

40:38

downhill starting then. Like, there still could

40:40

be a more significant

40:44

relationship between the

40:46

Robert and and Becky and Jacob thing, then

40:48

just the, you know, the hike and

40:50

the phone call, the out of

40:51

the blue phone call and stuff

40:53

like that. So and I

40:54

understand that. I so she she was, you know, I pulled one

40:56

quote from that saying, I can't get over

40:58

how close this all fits together. They

41:01

see Robert's mom She pulls away. IE Becky

41:03

pulls away from Jacob. Robert starts talking to Becky a few

41:05

days later,

41:06

day after that, Jacob and Becky are

41:10

over. Well,

41:10

they said that they ran into Jacob said they ran

41:13

into

41:13

Robert's mom a couple weeks prior,

41:15

but he also said the breakup

41:17

happened Thursday. So you know,

41:19

we don't as far as timing go. And there and there's a ton of that.

41:21

And and by the way, I'm throwing all this shade at

41:24

myself. Like, I don't I've always said,

41:26

people like, getting days and

41:28

times wrong when we're recounting thing or

41:30

when they're recounting things. But

41:32

these are just they happen, especially a bunch of

41:34

teenagers that are high all

41:36

the time. But he'd said

41:38

it was a couple weeks prior. But it would seem weird to just

41:40

just running into your ex's

41:42

mother

41:44

I'm not saying it's

41:45

not possible to be to be like, this

41:48

makes me not want to be with

41:50

my

41:50

boyfriend. You know?

41:52

So that's pass it's

41:54

possible. I all I can see

41:57

is we have

41:59

Javier saying, In regards to the breakup

42:01

in his interview, that it kinda came to

42:03

a head because

42:04

of the pot in the car, he said,

42:08

but he said that she was tired of the constant bickering

42:10

and fighting that they've been doing. So

42:12

he made it sound like it was a problem

42:15

that was building. prior to that. And then the phone records again, like

42:17

we see. To me, it it and I and

42:20

it's up for interpretation for

42:22

everyone. It

42:24

was And I don't know what you guys thought about mine, but, like, it was important to

42:26

me to really look through that and say, what

42:28

the fuck is happening in

42:30

her life that week and,

42:34

like, seeing that she's, you know

42:36

if you take take the information we

42:38

have, Austin says she stays her all the time

42:40

at at Jacob's house. Jacob says she's there a

42:42

few I think he said a few nights a

42:44

week, and also she's she's

42:46

staying at at Javier's house. or she's with

42:48

Javier. And Jacob's blowing her phone up all night and Javier's.

42:51

And then she gets up in the morning, we know that

42:53

like, I'm I picture it in my mind.

42:55

Right? They wake up in

42:58

the morning. she picks her phone up, sees, oh, I have five

43:00

missed calls from Jacob and two

43:02

voicemails, calls Janelle, sends

43:04

a text to somebody else,

43:06

calls somebody else drives up the

43:08

mountain -- Yeah. -- doesn't make any and then

43:10

he calls several times through the

43:12

day. And finally, at eleven o'clock, I

43:14

can't quite figure in my mind how,

43:16

like, what? all that stuff goes on, and then she

43:18

gets where we think she went to work on

43:20

Tuesday night. And then also now she's

43:22

blowing him up. But here's another

43:24

thing that

43:26

may below

43:26

everybody's mind. Uh-huh.

43:28

So Javier said

43:31

the confrontation with Jacob

43:33

or with Austin happened

43:36

Saturday. Mhmm. Right?

43:38

While she was at

43:39

work, he's proven to not be super reliable

43:41

with his days and times.

43:44

Right? It very much looks like in the cell the Becky

43:46

picked up a shift on Tuesday.

43:49

Mhmm. Austin

43:51

said that

43:54

he saw Becky at Denny's a

43:56

few days before her murder. And I'd said in the

43:58

episode, well, there's no few days before. She only

43:59

worked Saturday and Sunday, so I had to be

44:02

Saturday. Mhmm. Austin

44:03

seems better with his days and times if he's telling

44:05

the truth. And then I was like, so

44:08

she's ignored

44:09

Jacob all

44:11

day. Ignores his calls, oh, she's probably sleeping at night.

44:13

Ignores his calls all day,

44:16

Tuesday, and then all of a sudden at eleven

44:18

o'clock at night. She's

44:20

blowing

44:20

Jacob's phone up. She's calling

44:22

a cell phone. She's calling his LAN all night. Phone,

44:24

landline, phone, landline, phone, landline, landline.

44:27

What

44:27

if the altercation or the confrontation with Austin

44:29

happened on Tuesday? And I'd say that, what if?

44:31

Because I'm not I I haven't I literally just kinda

44:33

came to me now as we're

44:35

sitting here. Right. if that may I wonder if

44:37

I wonder if that's the reason

44:40

why all of a sudden now she's she seems

44:42

to be frantically trying to get a hold of Jacob,

44:44

but she didn't wanna talk to him

44:46

all day. That's a really

44:47

interesting thought. Refresh us

44:50

on this idea that it it was

44:52

when Hobby was picking

44:54

her up. at the

44:55

end of like, do we Well, that's just from what

44:57

he said. Hobby said -- Okay. -- Hobby said

44:59

it was Saturday,

45:03

I was and he said, I was picking her

45:05

up that night. And I and at least

45:07

for me, I was picked up, like, that night and

45:09

I was thinking that night, Saturday night would be when

45:11

he's dropping her off. Right. But if

45:14

it's picking her up, that would be actually

45:16

four in the morning on

45:18

Sunday

45:19

when that happened. But

45:22

remember Hobby doesn't get interviewed. He didn't say

45:24

that until his interview on the twenty fifth,

45:26

so that's a week met a week

45:29

later later. And, you know, and if it

45:31

happened while she was working at Denny's, I

45:33

think it's possible that

45:35

it happened on the Tuesday

45:38

before because it was just it was it seems like

45:40

that wasn't a normal schedule for her, but she was

45:42

at denny's. Also might make more

45:44

sense about the car. remember I said bullshit on

45:47

on the

45:48

oh, her brakes were bad.

45:50

I didn't want her. And I was like, was he like,

45:53

She's drove you to Sky Valley. She went

45:55

up the mountain and back down the mountain, passed

45:57

her work. To get to your house, for you to drive

45:59

her to

45:59

her work, Like,

46:01

that doesn't make any

46:03

sense, but maybe

46:04

it does make sense on Tuesday night.

46:06

Right. Yeah. I don't know. That's

46:08

I mean, yeah. Something to think about it. Sorry. I

46:10

was I I was

46:11

I was just staring into your brown eye

46:13

or your eyes brown. Mhmm.

46:15

Well, they're hazeled or brown

46:17

eyes listening to you and have

46:19

completely lost the thread of where

46:21

we are in the chat. So you're

46:23

just

46:23

quickly scanning through here. Yeah. You wanna say

46:26

Just

46:26

yeah. While you're figuring that out, just so so

46:28

that was literally a conscious stream of thought in the moment, but

46:31

that's something definitely I would love to

46:33

see talked about with all of you

46:35

smarter people than me

46:38

on the fan page, like, start to dig this out and and let's let's suss

46:40

this out and see with what we know if

46:42

that's possible, if that works. Yeah.

46:45

Okay. Great. Jynaya is kind

46:47

of, I think, bringing back up something

46:49

that we've certainly talked about

46:50

before, but that is kind of

46:53

really showing up for her, perhaps, as we're having

46:55

we're going through these

46:56

latest episodes. Janiyah says, is there

46:58

anything in the records to show why

47:01

law enforcement discounted Jacob no alibi, then

47:03

eleven calls, Saturday morning, and then the

47:05

angry call may was he losing his

47:07

grip on Becky like, he

47:09

knew they'd broken up and amended it. Why how

47:12

was he not continually a lead suspect?

47:14

Like, what why

47:17

did

47:17

they just drop him. It's a good question. There

47:19

was the summary document I've I've talked about a few

47:21

times. It was like and it was I

47:23

think it was

47:24

No. A a year or two. Yeah. And

47:26

it's like, Jacob Santiago was the ex boyfriend. They

47:29

had just broke up. He has no alibi. His

47:31

phone was out of service. And it

47:33

even put in there that He said

47:35

that he was in Costa Mesa from Thursday through Saturday, but he's lying because

47:37

we know from his phone records. He wasn't there till there's not

47:39

one good thing it says about

47:41

Jacob in that.

47:43

And it

47:44

doesn't say cleared. It's just

47:46

like Yeah. So that's Jacob, and

47:48

then we'll move on to the next thing.

47:50

I my gut tells me from from what I know

47:52

about the case and stuff we're gonna get into later

47:56

is probably the

47:57

DNA on the business

47:59

card?

47:59

No. Because at first that came back in

48:02

conclusive

48:03

too. Right. But

48:04

then, you know, years later, when they finally get

48:07

a profile that says that that it could

48:09

have been Christian whose DNA was

48:11

on that business card out

48:13

in the desert, then they're like, oh, well, it must be

48:15

him and I think they just put blinders on

48:17

and went all full

48:18

force forward into that

48:21

theory. Somebody else, by the way, had put it out put

48:23

it on the fan page. They showed a pick one of the

48:25

crime scene photos that showed the huge number. They they have

48:27

no trash service out there. Did you see

48:29

that most? Mhmm. Yeah. I did,

48:30

that it could have blown the card could have blown off the

48:32

top of that dump -- Yeah. -- of the dump -- Yeah.

48:34

-- crash all over. -- just ended up

48:36

out there on that desert.

48:38

It's

48:38

just interesting thing about what we'll be getting in on all that soon. I

48:40

promise. We're trying to get us through all these

48:42

little every time I'm, like, let's

48:45

over here. It's like, how about we better tie up the the this loose

48:47

head and this loose head that we're getting

48:49

there?

48:49

Yeah. Yeah. I know Teresa

48:52

and and I know you're here too in the chat. Hi,

48:54

Teresa. I know you had a question

48:56

about an autopsy question.

49:00

It feels so disjointed. Like,

49:02

it just feel it feels disconnected

49:04

enough from this that I don't know if I should

49:06

I wanna ask you, Bob, should I save that for,

49:08

like, returning to kind of when we

49:10

need to go back to forensics Or

49:13

do you wanna hear it now? Otherwise, I'll save

49:15

it? Like, what do you What's

49:16

just that? You can just ask it. And I'll just I'll do like I

49:18

used to do to Mike and just said, no. And then we'll move on

49:21

if I don't wanna answer it. Okay. Teresa

49:23

don't take it personally either way. It's a

49:25

great question. I'm

49:26

fascinated by it. Teresa says in rereading

49:28

Becky's autopsy, it shows she had fixed

49:30

liver mortise in her heels. toes or back

49:32

of her calves. I don't know a whole lot about

49:34

it other than blood pools, the lowest part of the

49:36

body due to gravity. If her toes were pointing

49:38

down, why wouldn't there be liver

49:40

mortise there? a good

49:42

question. Trying to think of the

49:44

way her feet were, like, a fertility's

49:46

toes were because her feet

49:48

were bent at the knees

49:51

over the

49:51

wheelbarrow

49:54

bottom part

49:54

of her legs down at about a

49:56

forty five degree angle. It could just

49:59

be that her because

50:00

of the angle of her legs that her

50:02

toes were just slightly

50:04

more elevated than

50:07

than her heels. and she what her

50:10

body wasn't there for very long

50:12

also, you know. So, you know, within eight

50:14

hours or about the time it

50:16

was just starting to fix. The lividity would just start to fix. They

50:18

removed her body. So it could have been if it's

50:20

if if her body stayed there longer,

50:22

then there might have been more

50:24

more

50:25

pooling, but also because the leg

50:26

was up

50:27

and then down, you only

50:29

had the blood

50:31

with gravity going down to her feet

50:34

from her knees down, you didn't have her

50:36

entire bodies with the blood because

50:38

her upper legs were

50:40

pointed upward. Good point. At that

50:42

point, there's no circulatory system. It's only gravity. Good point. Okay.

50:44

Well, I'm so glad I

50:45

asked that. Thank you, Teresa. I gotta

50:47

go back and look at

50:49

all of that stuff again. Teresa's wondering if

50:51

you could share from the case who you've attempted to

50:53

contact, and there are always questions from folks

50:56

saying, like,

50:58

Did you remind us to have you reached out to Hobby and Jacob folks

51:00

like that? Yeah. I've tried I don't know

51:02

if I

51:03

wanna go to the full list right

51:06

now, but Yeah. I pretty

51:08

much most of the key players I've made attempts

51:10

to reach out to and have

51:13

had no response. from them. Gotcha. I reached out

51:15

to Javier's dad. I

51:19

went to Robert

51:21

John Hayward's sons house

51:23

and then one talk to me. So III

51:26

went to a lot

51:27

of those people. Gotcha. I tried to get ahold

51:29

of Janelle and Claire.

51:32

Right. Right. And

51:32

then yeah. We can do do some about that. Yeah. That was Leanne's

51:35

question about Javi and

51:36

Jacob.

51:37

And then Denise just

51:40

wanted to be reminded of who

51:42

Josh was. And it

51:44

sounds like we're gonna be

51:45

hearing much more about that next week as you

51:47

promised in the episode. We don't

51:49

know much about Josh. All we know about Josh

51:51

is that that there's

51:52

he's not doesn't appear on Becky's

51:55

phone records anytime before

51:58

before

51:59

me the day she was killed.

52:01

On on Sunday morning at, like, four

52:03

thirty or four fifty in the morning,

52:05

he

52:05

calls her, Becky calls him back, they talk in

52:08

the morning, And then he's the last person that she talks

52:10

to on her way up the hill around

52:12

four o'clock. He's on she's on

52:14

the cell phone

52:16

to him. something

52:18

that Teresa noticed in the in the

52:20

files is there's also

52:23

a call from Josh Ernie to the

52:26

Janelle Macmoshaw.

52:28

But there was a call to Janelle

52:32

Macmoshaw prior to that who is a very

52:34

good friend of Becky's.

52:36

So this week, I went through

52:38

and dug up the interviews

52:40

from Janelle, we

52:42

see a lot of calls and with the week.

52:44

And the interviews with Josh

52:46

Ernie, there's there's two, there's

52:49

a short one where they make contact with him and then another

52:52

interview after that. And

52:54

then I also dug up the interview

52:57

with Gray Galke who is the ex boyfriend. And so we're

52:59

gonna hear all three of those are part most

53:02

of parts of all three of those, you know,

53:04

that some of them are twenty five minutes long, but I

53:06

just kinda try to cut them down to the parts that

53:08

are relevant to what we're gonna be

53:10

discussing. So all that's coming up on Sunday.

53:12

We're gonna kinda we're gonna try to close

53:14

that loop. and see what's what's going

53:16

on with Josh and Grey and Michelle.

53:18

So that's coming up. And as I

53:20

mentioned in this week, file

53:23

our our bonus episode, which I dropped this past Wednesday, which will be tomorrow for

53:25

those of you that are in the YouTube

53:27

chat. At six in the morning,

53:29

is Jeanie McDaniel. That's

53:32

one that some folks that have access to case file been a people asked

53:34

me, can we can I share that interview? Can I share

53:36

that interview? So I went

53:38

ahead and and

53:40

shared it. for you guys

53:42

in a I put it in a bonus

53:44

because there's and you'll

53:44

hear in my intro in the bonus. Like,

53:47

on its face, there are

53:49

things that she says that

53:51

seem very significant. But

53:54

then as you continue

53:56

listening, it's it's it's one of these things where

53:58

like things are stated. This

53:59

is fact and then

54:02

fifteen minutes later, it's like,

54:04

well, I heard well,

54:05

I thought he heard or well,

54:07

she pretty much said And then

54:09

we're real to to me, there was there was

54:11

nothing super useful out of it, so that's why I wasn't gonna

54:13

put it in the main episode. But you guys be

54:15

the judge, check out that follow-up Check out

54:17

Sunday's episode. We're gonna hear from

54:20

Janelle m. We're gonna hear from Grey.

54:22

We're gonna hear from Josh

54:24

Ernie, and then we'll see where we go from

54:26

there. Alright. Thanks everybody.

54:28

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it. It's gonna be a tough choice. You gotta choose.

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Hang on. Let me just This

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Nice time recording. You know what just happened there? Well, let's

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