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Apple sounds are intentionally elegant and
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organic, but some of the most
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recognizable Apple sounds go back decades.
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The first time I saw it on a
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TV screen, an episode of some show, and
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they receive a text. That
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software engineer, Kelly Jacqueline. I turned to
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my son and I'm like, dude, I
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made that sound. He's like, what are you talking about?
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I'm like, that sound, I made that sound. Kelly
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is the creator of Apple's unforgettable
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Tritone Alert sound. Back
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when Kelly first made that sound, he was working
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as a software engineer for Apple. But
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he didn't create it for Apple. Back
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sometime in 1998, a friend of mine that I used to Jeff
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and I told him my recommendation which was I really
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liked the 1-5-8 sound. I really
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liked both the kalimba and
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the marimba sounds. But
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Kelly felt like the kalimba just didn't
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quite cut through well enough. So 1-5-8
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marimba was the one that I recommended
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to him. Jeff
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liked Kelly's pick and so 1-5-8
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marimba became the Your CD is
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Done Burning sound on Soundjam. So
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Soundjam MP was released and it
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sold reasonably well but nothing spectacular.
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And then I hear from Jeff that Apple bought
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it and then Apple released it in 2001
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as iTunes and
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it still had the same disc burning sound.
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And I'm like hey that's kind of cool
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you know showing my wife and friends hey
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look when you burn a CD that sound
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hey I made that sound. After
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its second life on iTunes Apple gave
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this sound another job. Then a couple
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years later the macOS installer team decided
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that they would use this same sound
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for the completion sound of the install.
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So at some point I was installing
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some software and there's my sound. I'm
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like oh my god wow.
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But none of that prepared him for what happened next.
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It was 2007. Kelly was still at Apple
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working on programs like Final Cut Pro.
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But the company's next big announcement was
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top secret even for most of their
21:26
employees. Apple was pretty good at
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the whole secrecy thing surprise and delight.
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Every once in a while a
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revolutionary product comes along that
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changes everything. At
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the Mac World Conference that year Steve Jobs
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introduced the world to a brand new device.
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An iPod, a
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phone, and
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an internet communicator. An
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iPod, a
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phone. Are
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you getting it? So
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note is our default notification sound
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for messages. Again, that's Hugo
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Verrae, which is kind of a special
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notification sound if you think about it,
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because it's not just an app sending
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you a notification, it's an actual person.
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So when I hear this sound, I know that
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someone is actually thinking of me. The
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design team wanted the sound to cut through if you
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heard it on a noisy city street, but
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not feel abrasive in a quiet living room.
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So we want to strike the balance between
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on one hand for it to be very
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audible, and on the other hand for it
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to be pleasing to hear, even if it's
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a more quiet environment. To achieve this, Hugo
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used something organic and tactile, just like he
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had done with the Apple Watchtones. It's
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also one of the sounds that is recorded on
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a real instrument. It's a C on
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a glockenspiel. A glockenspiel is
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basically a metallic xylophone. It
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makes it one of our most simple sounds, and one of
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the only sounds that I could actually play live if I
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wanted to. Here's
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Hugo at an Apple Developers Conference. Ladies
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and gentlemen, for
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the first time in the
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history of this sound, here
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it is. Concentration.
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I hope I hit the right one. Today,
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Note and Tritone are both commonly used in
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movies and TV shows as
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audio shorthand for texting. Okay,
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everyone, settle in. Today
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we're discussing ways to navigate
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difficult interaction. If then
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you have been raised with Christ,
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seek the things that are above,
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where Christ is. Seated. tone
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called rebound. The
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thinking behind rebound is really about being
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gentle and being respectful and meeting people
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where they're at. So rebound
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was really about, Hey, if you get a lot
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of notifications during the day, we don't want you
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to turn your sounds off. We actually want you
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to feel like this is actually kind of a
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lovely experience. It's really made up of two very
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short notes. And
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we added this muted reverb in the end that
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makes it sound like a little bit of a
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droplet. We
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like to think of it as like a
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droplet in a bucket of notifications. The
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introduction of rebound meant that tritone was
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no longer the default for anything, though
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you can still select it in the
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settings. But for the new calendar alert
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sound called chord, Hugo chose a familiar
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melody. I have the
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instrument here. Is that the actual sound right
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there? It's the actual chord instrument right here.
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Hugo shows me a small wooden instrument with
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a row of metallic tines. It's called a
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kalimba, but since you play it with your
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thumbs, some people call it a thumb piano.
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So let me play a few notes. And
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we used only three of those notes to create chord.
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That's amazing. Can I just hold it just to say that I
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have, you can play it. Oh my goodness. Wow.
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That is so cool. I'm sorry. I'm just totally
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fanboying right now. Just
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like the classic tritone, this sound is
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built around an ascending three note melody
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made up of the one, the five
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and the eight, although it's in the
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key of F rather than D. At one point,
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Hugo gave everyone on the design team
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a kalimba as a gift. And you could
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imagine the studio for the next week. All
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you could hear all day long was everybody trying to play it. And the
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whole thing was everybody trying to. The
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Bootling has more than 20 years of
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nostalgia and recognition built into it, so
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it's no wonder why Apple would want
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to keep that legacy alive. The
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collective social consciousness around that
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sound is so iconic that
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people would recognize it immediately
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as a, you've received a
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message. For Kelly, making
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this sound feels like an accomplishment that
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anyone can grasp, even if they're not
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very tech savvy. When I
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was going to college and describing to
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my parents what a software engineer is
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and what computer science is, I get
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glazed looks. And this
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was one spot that I could point
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to and I could tell my parents
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and they would understand. This
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was a fun side project on the
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weekend for me. So this was,
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you know, I'm not at work. It's my free
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time. I'm going to do it the way I want it. The
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casualness with which I created it,
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I think, belied the impact that
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it would have. The
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impact of sounds like tritone and
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note is beyond compare. Without
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a doubt, these are some of
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the most recognizable sounds ever made.
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And this only scratches the surface
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of Apple's sound design experience. That's
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coming up next time. 20,000
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Hertz is produced out of the sound design
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studios of De facto Sound. Hear more at
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de facto sound dot com. This
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episode was written and produced by Nicholas
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Harder and Casey Emerlin. With help
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from Grace East. It was sound designed
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and mixed by Joel Boyder. And Brandon
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Pratt. The music in
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this episode is by Keith Kenneth. Keith
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is a fantastic composer whose music has been
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featured in some of my favorite Apple commercials.
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Thanks to our guests, Billy Sorrentino. Hugo
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Veray and Kelly Jacklin. Also,
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thanks to everyone at Apple who worked
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behind the scenes to make this episode
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