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How did I

0:42

lose mine? He's

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0:55

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0:59

back. Not a shame, so

1:01

it was quite a fuffle

1:03

going on across my way

1:06

over here. My 12 feet

1:08

away podcast. I'm gonna confess

1:10

something before we tell this

1:12

embarrassing moment. I have spent

1:14

this this past year, because

1:16

now we're in a new year. Just

1:18

looking for, I keep forgetting,

1:20

losing thing. I mean, Missy

1:22

had to call my phone this

1:25

morning like 10 times, and I

1:27

had just had it. Yeah, but

1:29

for some reason I've never

1:31

had this in six years of

1:34

podcast I get a message that

1:36

says Wear a solid shirt to

1:38

the podcast and I thought oh boy

1:40

Have we gone down there so I

1:43

was trying to part no

1:45

first you left out the first but

1:47

the first part said my shirts didn't

1:49

come in So wear a solid shirt.

1:52

Zach was supposed to provide a shirt

1:54

for some... But Zach looked. Willy tried

1:56

to do the same thing and Duck

1:59

Command. He tried... to get us all to

2:01

wear uniforms. That was

2:03

not my intention. I am not wearing

2:05

bowling outfits with our name tags. I'm

2:07

not gonna do it. I'm just saying

2:09

that right now. I haven't said that.

2:11

That says a nice polo, just wear

2:13

a khakis. He said many times that

2:15

we'll do two podcasts at a time

2:17

because that's all that

2:19

my brain will allow. Y 'all want

2:21

to do more, but I have a

2:23

smaller brain even though it hasn't been

2:26

scanned. But I could not find my

2:28

earphones. But I

2:30

didn't move during

2:32

the transition. Y 'all had to

2:34

get up and do a potty

2:36

break. Where's

2:38

my earphones? I was looking

2:40

and I grabbing the

2:42

cords and I thought, I've

2:45

lost my earphones and I haven't moved.

2:47

And Maddie, she was not giving

2:49

any help. She was just like, well,

2:51

that's you, you've lost it. They

2:54

were on Zach's head. I

2:57

look down to see my earphones right here.

2:59

I got them on my head. That's like

3:01

when you're at dinner and you take somebody's

3:03

fork or the nice dinner set and you

3:05

drink out of their glass of water. That's

3:07

what that deal was. I mean, everybody, because

3:09

I do a lot of banquet speeches and

3:11

so then you gotta think, okay, which way

3:13

were we going, right or left? I always

3:15

forget. Yeah, I don't know, but if I

3:17

gotta figure that out. That makes me nauseous.

3:19

I'm kind of a germ freak on that.

3:21

I don't know why. I did change my

3:23

hat too, by the way. You didn't notice

3:25

for the last Oh, the wardrobe changed, yeah.

3:27

No, I noticed. That just shows you when

3:29

something, I had this one on. Yeah, that

3:31

was some of the last podcast. Now I

3:33

got this corduroy hat. Does that

3:35

make him look better or worse, yeah? Well,

3:37

it just shows you the deep down. We

3:39

listen to what people think. We

3:42

do. I said it was a positive.

3:44

I was bragging on you. The

3:46

orange hat said, please don't shoot me.

3:48

This hat makes you like, look,

3:50

I'm warm and fuzzy. I'm a

3:52

nice guy. But

3:54

what does the hat say though, Jase? Well,

3:56

my dad told me. It's too far away for

3:58

me to read. It does arrive. kill and eat

4:01

however that was a quote in

4:03

from acts chapter 10 when

4:05

Peter yeah saw the first what

4:07

would we call that motion picture

4:10

from the production as a

4:12

sheet Phil describes it as

4:14

a movie screen well because

4:17

it was let down out

4:19

of heaven so I think Phil's

4:21

more right on that it was

4:23

the first look the production was

4:26

heavenly productions Yeah, and it was.

4:28

And unlike all the eternal references

4:30

on earth, this really was from

4:32

eternity. This is... Yeah, and y'all

4:35

think this is plan, but there

4:37

was no plan. I didn't know

4:39

who that was going to make

4:41

a comment about his hat. But

4:43

now that you've asked me, I'm

4:46

going to tell you, because I know

4:48

what you were trying to do there,

4:50

you're changing your image by the hat.

4:52

And so you have this famous quote

4:54

from Peter who feel basically made

4:56

that... the quote of Duck Commander. That

4:59

was the mission statement. All of his

5:01

early speeches, that was his open. Yeah,

5:03

well, here's the problem. So you wore

5:05

that and you're like, okay, because Phil,

5:08

he really resonated with that.

5:10

That's right. But you're missing one key

5:12

rule that Phil had. What's that? He

5:14

told me when I was a small

5:16

boy and he reminded me many times.

5:18

He said, and I'm not even sure

5:20

I can pronounce it, but he said,

5:22

because I was not allowed to even

5:24

mention even mention it. He said,

5:26

never, never wear, what

5:29

does this call? The

5:31

hat? Corduroy. Corduroy. A

5:33

corduroy. He said, never

5:35

wear that. So see, when I

5:38

saw the hat, I thought, oh no.

5:40

He has a quote that resonated with

5:42

Phil, but he put it on something

5:44

that fills him. I didn't come up

5:46

with this hat. But I will tell

5:49

you what's interesting. I wonder why dad

5:51

had a never wear corduroy. He told

5:53

me to never wear that. Because he

5:55

used to have some corduroy past. He

5:57

made me have a bad experience. He

5:59

burned. What's funny is I had so

6:02

the shirts I ordered and I'm not

6:04

kidding I'm not kidding the shirt

6:06

I had ordered for you was a

6:08

corduroy shirt. I'm not gonna be

6:10

able to wear that. So I mean

6:13

it was this color and it was

6:15

a corduroy shirt shirt shirt I thought

6:17

that looks it's you know it's out

6:19

there would not allow me to wear

6:22

that. Couldn't wear a corduroy. And I

6:24

don't know why. So there's no if you're

6:26

a I'm gonna go down there and talk

6:28

a sea field tomorrow said I'm gonna ask

6:31

him and see if he not sure that

6:33

memory is gonna be a not be there

6:35

we're gonna find out sometimes the old stuff

6:37

is there Tony told you that he was

6:40

Tony sent me a note Saturday which was

6:42

encouraging and I wish I had been in

6:44

town because I'd love to go out and

6:46

see him for myself but he was like

6:48

your dad is on point today seems like

6:51

either I went and saw him yesterday so

6:53

I'll give a feel report better but

6:55

you know overall he hadn't been

6:57

in pain for a while now

7:00

so yeah overall look the conditions

7:02

and diagnosis are the same so

7:04

you got to keep it in

7:07

mind it becomes a perspective thing

7:09

and but he's he's feeling

7:11

better and and like you say

7:13

some days he does seem more

7:15

normal yeah having said that I

7:17

walked in and it felt like

7:19

a meat locker in there oh

7:21

cold Yeah, it was so cold. I

7:24

went in there the other day

7:26

was 80 and I was

7:28

having trouble breathing. That's why

7:30

I'm fixed to tell you. So my

7:32

mom was on the couch with about

7:34

six blankets and she said,

7:37

does it seem cold in here

7:39

to you? And I'm like,

7:41

no, it doesn't seem cold.

7:43

There was no transition from

7:45

outside. So I went over

7:47

and looked at the thermostat.

7:49

I think it said 48. Here's your

7:52

problem and she's like well what

7:54

I was like you've turned the heat

7:56

off it was just all so I

7:58

flicked it down within my started griping

8:01

about Phil and I was

8:03

like okay he might have turned

8:05

it off but all I did

8:07

was come over here and turn

8:09

it on at your house so

8:12

she was a bit grumpy about

8:14

it but then Phil got up

8:16

and I mean it was pretty

8:18

late in the day because

8:20

I started talking real Al

8:22

because she said he was

8:24

asleep and he got up

8:26

he's like cold in here I

8:28

was like, yep, see right here. And

8:30

so I was like, I think you

8:32

turned off the heat. So we have

8:35

that kind of stuff going on, you

8:37

know, which is, I guess not abnormal

8:39

for their age. But yeah, but still,

8:41

I'm glad I went down there because

8:43

I was like, it's pretty chilly in

8:46

here. But he is doing better and

8:48

we do appreciate the prayers and we

8:50

were on a pretty good regiment for

8:52

just trying to improve his health

8:54

with the conditions that he has.

8:56

Yeah, and the letters we've gotten,

8:58

so many of you, just in

9:01

emails, this has been quite the

9:03

encouragement for me personally as well.

9:05

I do want to give a

9:07

shout out to Lisa yesterday. We

9:09

talked about Zach's birthday. Today is

9:11

Lisa's birthday, and she probably won't

9:13

hear this because she's like, Missy,

9:15

she doesn't listen to her podcast,

9:17

but happy birthday to her. She

9:19

was to show you how influence

9:21

and impact worked. She was showing

9:23

houses yesterday. It was young couple.

9:26

engaged, they were looking for their first

9:28

home. And so, you know, for her, that's

9:30

part of the reason why she got in

9:32

to sell real estate. She sells most of

9:34

it down to Alabama. And so she was

9:36

up in the Sariland area, which is in

9:38

the Mobile area. And so I was on

9:40

my way home, and so she called me

9:42

and she said, I don't believe this this

9:44

couple. I was showing this house and she said they

9:46

loved it, they're going to buy it, and I

9:48

said, that's great, baby. And she said, and he

9:50

loved to hunt. So he was talking about hunting

9:52

and his email has something to do with fishing

9:54

and she said, I mean, they've been together for

9:56

an hour or two looking at houses and she

9:59

said, well, you know. Do you know what

10:01

family I'm from? She said you look kind

10:03

of sheepish and he was like, yeah, they

10:05

told me, but I just didn't want to

10:07

bring it up. I didn't want to make

10:09

it weird and all this, you know, he

10:12

said, I love your family and I've always

10:14

loved Phil and big impact to him. And

10:16

so it was pretty neat. And then

10:18

he said, and my parents came over

10:20

to Westwood, no, at some point in

10:23

the last decade, and your father-in-in-all baptized,

10:25

my dad. and Al baptized my mom.

10:27

Of course, you know, we baptized a

10:30

lot of people, so I didn't remember

10:32

exactly who she was, but he said,

10:34

you know, your family has helped

10:36

really shape my family. I just want

10:38

to say thanks for that, as well

10:40

as helping us find this house. So I

10:42

just thought about it, you know, we do

10:44

what we do, and you don't think

10:46

about the impact of it just in everyday

10:49

life, but it makes a difference. I mean,

10:51

it spreads out over time. I don't

10:53

know how much time when you think about

10:55

eternity, when we kind of have a

10:57

ability to see the whole thing, you know,

11:00

when you, you compared it to seeing video

11:02

clips, when we have a chance to

11:04

really connect all the dots, because we'll

11:06

have that capacity, that eternal capacity,

11:08

I mean, anything gonna be neat

11:11

to find out people that were

11:13

impacted by this podcast or by

11:15

some other thing, maybe just you

11:18

sharing with somebody on an airplane

11:20

one time. and maybe it didn't

11:22

hit until three or four generations

11:25

down some influence I mean that's

11:27

gonna happen. Well I always go

11:29

back to this John 20 which

11:32

is was a catalyst in me

11:34

taking Jesus serious being the son

11:36

of God which is what the book

11:38

John is about yeah and a

11:41

couple of podcasts ago

11:43

you know the fascinating thing

11:45

about John's letter and just

11:47

Jesus in general is that

11:49

at that last moment

11:51

as far as

11:53

post-resirection the last moments

11:56

of his letter you see these

11:58

three characters you know,

12:00

Mary who's crying, but she actually

12:02

was the first person that got

12:04

to announce Jesus had been raised

12:07

from the dead through her tears

12:09

and mistaken identity. Remember she thought

12:11

he was the gardener, you know,

12:13

which makes you think, is this

12:15

going back to the garden of

12:17

Eden or, you know, you have

12:20

that kind of element and then

12:22

you have, you know, Thomas through

12:24

his doubts, he once he saw,

12:26

he said, I just have to

12:28

have to, I just, got to

12:30

know which then John would say

12:33

well this is kind of written

12:35

for those who don't see and

12:37

believe yeah but there was doubts

12:39

he was the first one I

12:41

believe who said my lord and

12:44

my god which kind of takes

12:46

you back to the first verse

12:48

yeah says god he was with

12:50

God he used to stink from

12:52

God and he's like my lord

12:54

and my god and then you

12:57

know Peter who had denied him

12:59

three times and even in that

13:01

conversation was a little bit bizarre

13:03

when you look at the actual

13:05

Greek language because he was like

13:07

do you love me which he

13:10

was Jesus was using the full

13:12

extent of the sacrificial love and

13:14

Peter's like I love you he

13:16

was using the word of yeah

13:18

we're friends of course I and

13:20

and so even in his denial

13:23

and him not really getting it

13:25

in the moment there. He uses

13:27

that to use them anyway and

13:29

to forgive them anyway and to

13:31

then start a mission. You know,

13:33

kind of give you that idea

13:36

of this is what the church

13:38

is going to do. You're going

13:40

to go out despite your tears,

13:42

your pain, your doubts, your failures,

13:44

and I'm going to use you,

13:46

which I think is very powerful.

13:49

But in John 20, when he

13:51

has those that... to me that

13:53

come and eat breakfast. I just

13:55

really think that when people say

13:57

why don't... know what heaven's going

14:00

to be like or what are

14:02

we going to do you hear

14:04

all that it's like the number

14:06

one question every time I get

14:08

in the Bible study it's like

14:10

well I mean what are we going

14:13

to do for millions of years and

14:15

I just want to like shout because

14:17

I really had a an epiphany

14:19

reading John last night preparing

14:22

for this we're going to live hmm

14:24

did you know how many times the

14:26

word life is mentioned in the

14:28

book of John 36 three dozen.

14:30

Yeah. To put it in perspective,

14:33

because I did the the math

14:35

on this, in all of Paul's

14:37

writings, I mean, how many books

14:40

did he write? 13, maybe

14:42

14. 13. He only mentions

14:44

it 37 times. Wow. 36 times.

14:47

So I'm like, we, this is

14:49

about living life, eternal

14:51

life. And that little

14:53

scene of Jesus post

14:55

resurrection, sharing a meal.

14:57

And not only that,

15:00

orchestrating the whole fishing

15:02

expedition, that memory, that moment,

15:04

but this was, he's post-resirection

15:06

now. And we're gonna be

15:08

like him. I just think

15:11

it's gonna be more real

15:13

life than we're thinking. Will?

15:22

Will? Talk to me.

15:24

ABC tonight. They took

15:26

his daughter. She's coming

15:28

home alive. Will Tratt,

15:30

the series critics are

15:32

calling powerful must-see TV,

15:34

continues to thrill. Shouldn't

15:37

we have strategized before

15:39

we go on there?

15:41

If we screw up

15:43

this case, a copular

15:45

walks free. With the

15:47

riveting conclusion to a

15:49

two-part season premiere. that the reason why people ask

15:51

that question, which I'd ask that question myself,

15:53

I've thought that a lot. And I think

15:56

it's because of, well, back to the last

15:58

podcast when I talked about the... we would

16:00

sing. We had a disembodied view

16:02

of eternity. It was it was

16:04

out there and I think it

16:06

gaseous mist floating around. Yeah, it's

16:08

just like a doing something like exploring

16:10

this like space travelers with all

16:12

gaseous mist somehow even the sayings

16:15

like you know this person is

16:17

on cloud nine. Yeah. Meaning like you're

16:19

just ethereal like you're floating out

16:21

into you know you're not a

16:23

real and a harp and and

16:25

even the people that like well we're

16:27

just going to worship for millions

16:29

of years. I mean look I'm

16:31

all I'm sure we will be

16:33

doing that in some capacity but I'm

16:35

just based on what I'm reading.

16:37

What is life? Why is he

16:40

doing that? Just stop and time

16:42

out. Why is he doing this? Why

16:44

is he catching some fish with

16:46

these earthly bent? What is it?

16:48

Is it was it people say

16:50

well it was just a sign that

16:52

you know he was like had

16:54

been raised. Okay but I mean

16:56

he had fish on the charcoal

16:58

and then he said bring me

17:00

some more fish. He's like why because

17:03

there's more people here now. We're

17:05

going to have a meal together.

17:07

He's like come let's have breakfast.

17:09

If you don't think that that's some

17:11

kind of you know mirror into

17:13

what we're going to experience. I

17:15

just think you're crazy. It's what

17:17

you it's like what you told the

17:19

woman that time in the roundabout.

17:21

Never forget that story told on

17:23

the podcast. She was on her

17:25

phone texting. She didn't realize she was

17:28

at a full stop in a

17:30

roundabout and you rode your window

17:32

down and you went live. Yeah

17:34

you've stopped your life in a roundabout.

17:36

You've got a phone in one

17:38

hand, a cheeseburger in the other

17:40

and all of life has stopped

17:42

to your here. You're no longer living.

17:44

You're in fantasy world. You're in

17:46

a vortex of just like the

17:49

the mindless numbing dopamine hits of

17:51

a phone. But if you ask

17:53

if you ask this question of

17:55

10 people you go around West Midori

17:57

and you go to 10 different churches. because

18:00

we're in the Bible Belt right here. And you

18:02

ask this question, what

18:04

did Jesus die for? If you

18:06

ask that question to 10 people, I

18:09

bet you that all 10 of them will get the

18:11

same answer. And the answer

18:13

will be that Jesus died for

18:15

my sins. And while that is

18:17

true, we're tracking, I was literally

18:19

fixed to bring this up. You

18:22

were? Oh, well, because we were

18:24

also just getting my sins taken care

18:26

of. But I was going

18:28

to say he became a human

18:30

for humans. What is

18:32

the problem with me

18:34

and God? Okay,

18:36

sin, but the problem is we're

18:38

not living together anymore. Listen to this.

18:40

I'm actually preaching tonight at the

18:43

hub. You need to preach this. I

18:45

am. This is what you're saying

18:47

is the totality. No, we call this

18:49

act when you're not here, when

18:51

you're in North Carolina. We call this

18:53

sermon prep. Sermon prep right here.

18:55

We're prepping right now. We're tracking, we're

18:57

prepping, but we're tracking because it's

19:00

amazing that we do not confer with

19:02

what we're talking about today. And

19:04

we are in the same lane. And

19:06

I think people, it's almost, it's difficult to

19:08

have the conversation because if I tell you

19:11

what did Jesus die, if ask you the

19:13

question, what did Jesus die for? And you

19:15

say my sins, you're not technically wrong. Well,

19:17

right. The problem is it's not complete because

19:19

if you fast forward to

19:21

John 6, Jesus says this. He

19:23

said, John 6, 47, truly, truly,

19:25

I say to you, whoever believes

19:28

has eternal life to your point

19:30

of the word life, repeatedly

19:32

using the, in the gospel, John, I

19:34

am the bread of life. Your

19:36

fathers ate manna in the wilderness and

19:38

they died. This is the

19:40

bread that comes down from heaven so

19:43

that one may eat of it and

19:45

not die. I am the living bread

19:47

that came down from heaven. Anyone who

19:49

eats this bread, he will live forever.

19:51

And the bread that I will give

19:53

for the life of the world is

19:55

my flesh. So will you reach

19:57

on 6? Yes, Jesus

19:59

died. for my sins, but probably more

20:02

fundamentally in the end of that

20:04

is for the life of the

20:06

world. That's why Jesus said he

20:08

gave his flesh, for the life

20:10

of the world. And so the payment

20:12

for our sin, it's not the end

20:14

of it. The payment for our sin

20:16

is a means to an end.

20:19

In the end is what you

20:21

talked about. It's union with Christ.

20:23

Christ is the prize. He's the

20:25

ultimate. God is human. Why become

20:27

a human? So people will answer

20:29

that, well, he had to do

20:32

something for a sin problem.

20:34

Okay. We're not disagreeing with

20:36

that, and we will preach that on

20:38

a daily basis. But he

20:40

became a human to save

20:43

humans. Humans need a

20:45

Savior, and it's not just an

20:47

example, and you're like, well,

20:49

why do they need a

20:51

Savior? So we can dwell

20:53

together. Heaven and Earth coming together.

20:55

God and humans meeting. And

20:57

why can't we dwell together? It is,

20:59

I mean, if you want to make

21:01

the case, it's because God can't be

21:03

with us. That's a case you can

21:05

make, and I'm not disagreeing with it,

21:07

but it's not all of the case,

21:09

because what he says here in First

21:12

John, for, which is there's

21:14

a term about payment for

21:16

Senate here, this big word

21:18

called perpetuation perpetuation. It says that

21:20

in this is love, not that we

21:22

love God, this is first on 410,

21:25

but that he loved us and sent

21:27

his son to be the perpetuation

21:30

for our sin, to be the payment.

21:32

But he goes on to say this,

21:34

beloved, if God's so loved us, we

21:36

ought to love one another, no

21:39

one who has ever seen God, if

21:41

we love one another, God abides in

21:43

us and his love is perfected in

21:45

us. So the idea is that... that

21:47

it's the union with Christ the reason

21:49

why Christ paid for our sin so

21:51

that like you said we could be

21:53

in his presence and the and the

21:55

reason for that is the word life

21:57

that's why if you back up to

21:59

verse 9 right before he says that

22:02

he says in this love

22:04

God was made manifest among

22:06

us That God sent his

22:08

only son in the world

22:10

So why did he do

22:12

that? Here's why so that

22:14

we might? Live through him

22:16

and I think so often

22:18

the gospel that we preach

22:20

is a gospel of death.

22:22

It's only about death. It's

22:24

about Jesus died for our

22:26

sins. Yeah, he died for

22:28

our sins to what in?

22:30

so that we might live

22:32

with him. That's the end

22:34

of it is life with

22:36

Christ. Yeah. Can I read

22:38

something? So for what he's

22:40

saying, so let's just read

22:42

the relation to... We read

22:44

that Jay's propitiation. I always

22:46

like to look upwards because

22:48

that's a biblical word there

22:50

in Zax translation. The act

22:52

of appeasing a God, spirit

22:54

or person, atonement, especially that

22:56

of Jesus Christ. So just...

22:58

So if you think what

23:00

is the point of this,

23:02

because I've used this verse

23:04

many times, saying, you don't

23:06

Christ die for my sins,

23:08

but watch what Zach just

23:10

said in this little section,

23:12

this is Galatians 217, if

23:14

while we seek to be

23:16

justified in Christ, it becomes

23:18

evident that we ourselves, are

23:20

sinners, does that mean that

23:22

Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not.

23:24

So you immediately think, okay,

23:26

we're talking about Christ has

23:28

justified us by his death

23:30

on a cross for our

23:32

sins. True. For what? Read

23:35

the next verse. If I

23:37

rebuild what I destroyed, I

23:39

prove that I'm a law

23:41

breaker. For through the law,

23:43

I died to the law

23:45

so that I might live

23:47

for God. Which is

23:49

exactly what you just said. I

23:51

have been crucified with Christ and

23:53

I no longer live Christ Lives

23:56

in me the life I live

23:58

I live in the body, I

24:00

live by faith in the Son

24:02

of God who loved me and

24:05

gave himself for me. There's a

24:07

lot of living here. There's a

24:09

lot of life. I was sitting there

24:11

thinking when you were describing

24:13

that, it's like a person, you'll hear

24:15

a lot of young people say, well,

24:18

you know, I got married, so, you

24:20

know, now I don't sleep around, I

24:22

don't do this, I don't do that.

24:24

As if marriage became just a reason

24:27

for you to stop some bad habits.

24:29

You know, marriage became a covenant relationship

24:31

for you to live with another person

24:34

for the rest of your life. Now,

24:36

it will cut off some of that

24:38

bad behavior, but the bottom line is

24:40

that's not why you get married. You

24:43

know, on a practical thing? So if

24:45

you go to Ephesians 4, and

24:47

like when he talks about not stealing,

24:49

you remember what he said? That wasn't

24:52

the end. At 428, says he

24:54

who has been stealing must steal

24:56

on a longer. Yeah. Okay. Why? But

24:58

he must work. Well, why is

25:00

that have something to do

25:03

with not stealing? No, he

25:05

then tells you why you must

25:07

work. Doing something useful

25:09

with his own hands that

25:12

he may have something to

25:14

share with those in need.

25:16

That's good. The whole point

25:18

was not so much about

25:20

stealing. It was about sharing.

25:27

This is John 11. I'm going

25:29

to read the first five verses.

25:31

In the beginning was the

25:34

word. And the word was with

25:36

God. And the word was God.

25:38

He was in the beginning

25:40

with God. So he's talking about

25:42

a person here. All things

25:45

were made through him. And

25:47

without him was not anything

25:49

made that was made. And

25:51

here's what it has to do

25:53

with it. Verse four. In him was

25:55

life. was the light of men, the

25:57

light shines in darkness and the dark.

26:00

has not ever come. So you say,

26:02

what does this have to do with

26:04

the whole Gospel of John? He bases

26:06

the entire arrival, the entire advent of

26:08

the Christ, the Logos, the Word that

26:11

came in the flesh. The entire thing

26:13

is rooted in this concept that in

26:15

Him, in the Word, in the Logos,

26:17

in the Christ is life and that

26:19

the life was the light of men.

26:21

So you say, what am I looking

26:23

for? Yeah, I want life. And so

26:25

a good question to ask is, well,

26:27

what is life? What does that actually

26:29

mean? You know mean? Yeah. It's not,

26:32

I'll tell you what, it's not, it's

26:34

not isolation. Life is not being alone.

26:36

It's not Mad Max, every man for

26:38

himself, anarchy, consumption. That's actually the description

26:40

of hell. What life is, life is

26:42

something that's shared. I love that you

26:44

said that, that verse is shareable. It's

26:46

that scene at the end of the

26:48

wedding. You know what I mean? Where

26:50

you're sitting around, the kids run around

26:53

the yard, it's good wine, great food,

26:55

wonderful fellowship with the people that you

26:57

love and telling the stories to your

26:59

belly laughing. That's life. That's what Christ

27:01

came to offer His community, life in

27:03

Him, partakers of the divine nature. And

27:05

the opposite of that is things that

27:07

would lead to isolation, despair, loneliness, which

27:09

is, if you look at any sin,

27:12

that's ultimately what it leads to. And

27:14

to your point, even beyond the sin

27:16

side of it, it's like what the,

27:18

throughout 2000 years of history with the

27:20

idea of the monks, we just need

27:22

to go somewhere on a mountain top

27:24

where we remove ourselves from everything in

27:26

culture. And man, look at the relationship

27:28

we'll have with Christ. But where do

27:30

you get to share that then? If

27:33

you're isolated in a hilltop, you know,

27:35

building for your whole life, trying to

27:37

get closer to God, you'll miss the

27:39

most important part of life and that's

27:41

relationship with other people. So you can't

27:43

do that either. You can't isolate yourself

27:45

even in a religious fashion. That's a

27:47

very good point. right, now let's have

27:49

a guy reach out to me. He's

27:52

giving his testimony and say, I want

27:54

to know what you think. Good friend

27:56

of mine known for years and we

27:58

share a lot of common... tragedy

28:01

and I've been knowing this

28:03

person for years. And so

28:05

I read it. It was

28:07

absolutely beautiful, made me

28:09

cry about, you know, just

28:12

what happened in their life,

28:14

Jesus saving them. It

28:16

was all beautiful in that

28:18

all the shame and pain

28:20

that Jesus had taken away

28:22

and it was a lot

28:24

of the, you know, before

28:26

Christ and just... out crying

28:28

to God. I mean, it was

28:30

really beautiful. So I read it

28:33

all and I thought there's something

28:35

missing here. Even as beautiful

28:37

as it was. And it kind

28:40

of culminated with, you know,

28:42

Jesus on a cross, you know, for

28:44

all this shame, sin. And I guess

28:46

the more I thought about it for

28:48

about a day, I sent a text

28:51

and said, let's have

28:53

a conversation. Because it kind

28:55

of hit me. What was missing?

28:57

What was missing? And I was

28:59

like, it was a difficult thing

29:01

because as beautiful as it

29:04

was, and I disagreed with nothing in

29:06

it, and I thought it was a

29:08

powerful testimony. I said, I feel like

29:11

the missing part is the resurrection

29:13

was never mentioned. And so it

29:16

got kind of weird, because we

29:18

started talking about the resurrection,

29:20

but it was like, well, how

29:22

do you put that in the

29:25

testimony? And I kept thinking

29:27

about first Corinthians 15, although

29:29

I didn't bring it up,

29:31

because it was a delicate

29:33

situation. Some money pours their heart

29:35

out. Yeah. And you're reading it,

29:37

and it's all fantastic. But I

29:40

thought there's, if I was going

29:42

to give a testimony or to

29:44

a public audience, because this person

29:46

was fiction to give this, I

29:48

just kept thinking, what is the

29:50

new self look like? This is all about...

29:53

Jesus taking care of the

29:55

old self. But what does the

29:57

new self look like? And I thought...

30:00

What about this first Corinthians 15

30:02

to go in with Zex Point?

30:04

It says, for if the dead

30:06

are not raised, then Christ has

30:08

not been raised either. And if

30:11

Christ has not been raised, your

30:13

faith is futile and you're still

30:15

in your sense. Why is he

30:17

making this bridge of the resurrection

30:20

and sins? So the reason I

30:22

brought up that Ephesians for... You

30:24

know, that was right after he

30:26

said, I'll have to look exactly

30:29

where it is, he was describing

30:31

this not stealing, but working to

30:33

share. You remember, he was describing

30:35

the new self. And that's where

30:38

the resurrection comes into play. You

30:40

know, thank Romans 811, if the

30:42

spirit of Christ is living in

30:44

you, not only will he give

30:47

life, not the same spirit that

30:49

raised Jesus from the dead. if

30:51

it's living in you will also

30:54

give life to your mortal body.

30:56

So that we immediately think, well,

30:58

that's gonna happen later. But that

31:00

if the spirit of Christ is

31:03

living in you, there's, it's the

31:05

name of your podcast. Yeah. There's

31:07

two things happening. And so back

31:09

to the Ephesians for when both

31:12

things can be true at the

31:14

same time. When think about it

31:16

just like the, with the cross,

31:18

it was powerful. but unless the

31:21

spirit reanimated Jesus' body and for

31:23

him to be glorified flesh forever,

31:25

I mean the Bible tells us

31:27

that that's a deposit for us.

31:30

That's a great point. Think about

31:32

this, if you want to take

31:34

it as you really want to

31:36

like raise the stakes of the

31:39

conversation, if what we're talking about

31:41

is only a future reality, then

31:43

what is the point of the

31:45

Holy Spirit? Exactly. Well, exactly. And

31:48

he's the key to everything. That's

31:50

why I think the Hebrew writer

31:52

went through the. He went through

31:54

the whole Hall of Faith. All

31:57

these people died, we gotta have

31:59

faith. And... It shows all their

32:01

faith. But then he gets to the

32:03

end and he says, but they

32:05

didn't even receive what was promised,

32:08

only together with us, would

32:10

they receive what had been

32:12

promised? Which is kind of

32:14

a difficult passage, because you're

32:16

like, what does that mean? Jesus,

32:18

when he died, did it go backwards?

32:21

Yes. But it also goes forwards,

32:23

but then you realize... Then when

32:25

you start talking about the resurrection,

32:28

because Chapter 12, which I don't

32:30

think should have been a break

32:32

in the chapter, it says since

32:34

we are surrounded by such a

32:36

great cloud of witnesses, let us throw

32:38

off everything that hinders in the sin

32:40

that so easily tangles, let us fix

32:42

our eyes on Jesus, the author and

32:45

perfector of our faith. But I'm saying,

32:47

you can't just have the death

32:49

of cross there without the resurrection,

32:51

because what happens in our life? People

32:54

die. And people die who we

32:56

don't think they should have died from

32:58

babies to warriors in the Lord.

33:00

I mean things happen. Well if

33:02

you don't have the resurrection or

33:04

the spirit of Christ in you,

33:06

what are we going to do with

33:09

that? Everything stops. I think

33:11

that's when the resurrection becomes real

33:13

and it's a part of our

33:15

new self where if we all

33:17

die tomorrow, I'm talking about everybody

33:20

in this room. I would think

33:22

because other people have the spirit

33:24

of Christ and they know that

33:26

this is all about life, they're

33:28

going to just put our names

33:31

in the margins of Hebrews

33:33

11, which the first person who

33:35

told me that was Mac Owen. And,

33:37

you know, our grandpa died. We

33:39

were upset. I was like, well, I'm

33:42

pretty sure he made it. Why

33:44

am I so upset? And but

33:46

he in his encouragement, he wrote in

33:48

his margin, you know, my

33:50

grandpa. And well, I don't, I'm telling

33:52

you that had a profound impact on

33:54

me. Yeah. Because I thought, no, is this

33:57

real? Are we just faking? Because we're

33:59

all gonna die. So all I'm saying,

34:01

that was a long rent, saying

34:03

that I think there's a reason

34:06

that death bell and resurrection culminated

34:08

all of the gospel writer's stories.

34:10

And when you start trying to

34:13

apply it to your life, it

34:15

goes together. We are thankful that

34:18

Christ died for our sins, but

34:20

we just don't end it there.

34:22

We're like, hey, he came back

34:25

from the dead. This is about

34:27

humans living a new life here,

34:29

and then a new life. through

34:32

eternity. And I just read a

34:34

commentator on this who says that

34:36

the main one of the main

34:39

ways that were made in the

34:41

image of God you know by

34:43

first Genesis 126 127 God made

34:46

us in his image is that

34:48

we have dominion and you see

34:50

it in the in the in

34:53

the garden by the way when

34:55

he he says go be fruitful

34:57

and multiply go subdue the earth

35:00

and roll over it so the

35:02

that's called the cultural mandate which

35:04

was essentially the instruction from God

35:07

to man this is pretty sin

35:09

was the go work Like go

35:12

take the garden of Eden and

35:14

then expand that garden through your

35:16

work and through your effort across

35:19

the entire globe. In other words,

35:21

go create culture, go create art,

35:23

go create gardens, music, food. Take

35:26

this garden and spread it throughout

35:28

the entire earth. And so man

35:30

and woman, mankind in the garden

35:33

was given dominion. And when you

35:35

think about that pre-fall. That was

35:37

meaningful to us. And we kind

35:40

of see it now if you

35:42

look at little kids running around,

35:44

like if you look at a

35:47

little six or seven year old

35:49

kids, like when I... kids

35:51

are growing up.

35:54

They played this

35:56

game called the

35:59

game, they called

36:01

it life. And

36:04

they literally would pretend like they were adults

36:06

and they were creating businesses. They had

36:08

ledgers, they played this game. Every time the

36:10

cousins got together, they would play this

36:12

game. And they're playing what I hate to

36:14

do. Like they're playing work, but they're

36:16

enjoying it because they haven't really got

36:18

grandkids to play. They still do it.

36:20

And so like they're not corrupted yet.

36:22

So like initially work was created as

36:25

something that was good. And then the

36:27

fall was what? By the, you'll work,

36:29

Adam, but by the sweat of your

36:31

brow, you're going to till the soil and it's going

36:33

to produce thorns and thistles for you. So the

36:35

curse was not work. The curse,

36:37

the fall, after the fall was that work

36:39

is now going to be difficult because

36:41

it's going to produce thorns and thistles for

36:44

you. So when you think about all

36:46

this, what does this matter? Because part of

36:48

what it means to have dominion and

36:50

maybe at its core, biblical

36:52

dominion is not about domination.

36:54

It's actually about sacrificing, meeting

36:56

the needs of others, which

36:58

creates the whole thing we call commerce and

37:01

economies and all that. It all comes

37:03

out of this, right? I make, I sacrifice

37:05

to you. You sacrifice to me. We

37:07

have an exchange and we create culture that

37:09

way. So I think when you try

37:11

to imagine heaven, we're

37:13

not going to be floating

37:15

spirits floating around. We're actually going

37:17

to have meaningful work to do. We're going

37:20

to be building things together. We're going

37:22

to be inventing things for the glory of

37:24

God. It's going to be a place that's tangible

37:26

that you can put your fingers and you

37:28

can touch it. You can eat fish and we're

37:30

going to have all kinds of new fish recipes,

37:32

all that. It's going to just be an eternity.

37:34

Well, wouldn't that be a description of a new

37:36

heaven and a new earth? That's exactly what it

37:38

would be. I go back to

37:41

the Genesis one where he

37:43

created the heavens and the

37:45

earth. Yeah. And then he

37:47

sends Jesus and all

37:49

of a sudden you see that there's

37:51

a possibility to be born again. Yeah,

37:53

because that's the whole deal. He brings

37:55

life. He brings a new life. And

37:58

that's the point. That's the Well, when

38:00

we get to John 3, I'm

38:02

going to lay something on you

38:04

that will knock your socks off.

38:06

And I don't even know if

38:08

you're going to agree with it.

38:10

You've already gotten me nervous about

38:12

it. But I might not. Don't

38:14

bring it up yet. Well, I'm

38:16

not going to bring it up

38:19

yet. But you will, the required

38:21

reading, will be Ezekiel 36 and

38:23

37. Because that John 3, you know,

38:25

John 3 16 gets all the headlines.

38:28

But. Jesus tells, you know,

38:30

it's be like telling one of

38:32

your religious leaders in

38:34

the country, not just at your

38:37

local church, hey, you need to

38:39

be born again. Wait, what?

38:41

And so there's been so

38:43

many books written about what

38:45

he meant and where that

38:48

went and people go to

38:50

Ezekiel 36 and 37 because

38:52

it's a prophecy about this.

38:54

kind of new birth here

38:57

that uses the same language

38:59

just to give you a little

39:01

hint in Ezekiel 36 26

39:03

this Ezekiel given

39:06

this prophecy says I will

39:08

give you a new heart and

39:10

put a new spirit in you

39:12

I will remove from you your

39:14

heart of stone and give you

39:16

a heart of flesh and so

39:19

and that comes on the heels

39:21

of him saying in 24, you

39:23

know, I will gather you from all

39:25

the countries and bring you back into

39:27

your own land, I will sprinkle clean

39:30

water on you, and you'll be clean,

39:32

I will clean you from all your

39:34

impurities and from all your idols, and

39:36

then he says I'll give you a

39:39

new heart, new spirit. I mean, what

39:41

do you think this is pointing to?

39:43

Can we just agree on that? Yeah. There's

39:45

a son of man, there's a Savior coming,

39:47

God's coming to the earth, and I'm, and

39:50

we know where this is headed. It's because

39:52

when it says I'll give you that heart

39:54

of flesh I was like what you know

39:56

what exactly does he mean well then when

39:58

he gets to the next chapter It's a

40:00

famous chapter. It's a valley of

40:02

dry bones. And then all of

40:04

a sudden he creates tendons and

40:06

they have this flesh and they

40:08

come to life. In fact... And

40:11

he breathes life. He breathes life.

40:13

Which now we're going back to

40:15

the creation story. And what I'm

40:17

saying, I'm only introducing that because

40:19

I want you to go read

40:21

it. So when we get to

40:23

John 3, you might say, oh.

40:25

I might have missed that at

40:27

my local church when the person

40:29

who was saying that all flesh

40:31

is bad. And so it can't

40:33

be meaning, you know, we can't

40:35

have a new body when we

40:37

come back from the dead. Or

40:39

we can't have a new body

40:41

here when we have the Holy

40:43

Spirit. Because I'm going to tell

40:45

you, when you come to Christ,

40:48

your life gets better. And your

40:50

life will become eternal. You will

40:52

be eternally better, especially post-resdirection of

40:54

your body. And so I really

40:56

think that's a theme in the

40:58

book of John. I'm glad we

41:00

win here, because he mentioned it

41:02

36 times. I wanted to bring

41:04

up something that for you to

41:06

hold your thought. Don't forget it.

41:08

Because you brought this up, Jayas,

41:10

earlier, and I think it goes

41:12

in with what you're saying, Zach,

41:14

because why we struggle with the

41:16

idea of the eternal being in

41:18

the here and now, you said

41:20

something about... Thomas being the first

41:22

one to say my lord and

41:25

my god. Was that accurate? I

41:27

thought that was true. It is.

41:29

And so here's what, and then

41:31

you're reading out of John 6

41:33

a minute ago, Zach, and it

41:35

says at this, what you read,

41:37

at this, at that what you

41:39

read, the Jews began to grumble

41:41

about him because he said, I

41:43

am the bread that came down

41:45

from heaven. And they said, is

41:47

this not Jesus, the son of

41:49

Joseph, whose father and mother we

41:51

know? How can he now say

41:53

I came down from heaven? And

41:55

so it hit me when you

41:57

both were talking about that in

41:59

the first century when the people

42:01

were there with Jesus the hardest

42:04

thing for them to embrace was

42:06

his divinity. The idea that

42:08

he would really was from heaven, he

42:10

was the son of Yahweh, he was

42:12

from God. And still is. And still

42:14

is. But you fast forward two

42:17

thousand years and here's what's

42:19

happened. It's easier for us to

42:21

believe in the humanity of Christ.

42:23

That's good, yeah. Which is exactly

42:25

why shows like the chosen come

42:27

out. and religious people get up in

42:29

arms because they say oh that seems

42:32

to that just seems like us to

42:34

you know literally infuriates me yeah but

42:36

but it's because it shows so much

42:38

now it's just the humanity of Jesus

42:40

but the humanity around there their their

42:42

claim is is that that there it's

42:45

not the Bible I'm like well neither

42:47

is this podcast neither is your preacher

42:49

sermon right I mean we all we

42:51

all use our illustrations and yeah what I'm

42:53

saying is living so Jesus was a

42:55

human being so for us what we

42:57

do is then we sanitize that to

42:59

the point we see the only reason

43:01

it came down here is because he

43:04

was God and he had to get

43:06

on that cross to wipe out our

43:08

system and so we're only thinking about

43:10

that exactly instead of the fact that

43:12

he came and lived here for thirty

43:14

three which is the point of the first

43:16

you know we're not negating it no you

43:18

know but that's why we all listen to

43:20

is just Been brutalized in

43:22

the Western society, which is NT

43:25

right? Because he's like look He's

43:27

not saying Jesus then first eyes

43:29

off what he's like there's just a

43:31

lot more Yeah to your point at

43:34

the end of John John said there's

43:36

way more to be I think NT

43:38

right does kind of like to tweak

43:40

his his adversaries Oh, I think so,

43:43

but that's probably why we like Well

43:45

guess what? So do I. But you

43:47

know, but think about this. You know

43:49

what's weird is this morning, because Missy,

43:52

I don't know if she won, probably

43:54

doesn't want me to say that, but

43:56

she does a fast every year and

43:58

it's very incredible to watch. But I'm

44:00

so impressed by it because she

44:02

just spends a lot of time

44:04

in the word and I mean

44:06

she's shrinking literally before my eyes

44:09

because she you know she's fasting

44:11

and it but she watches the

44:13

chosen over and over and over

44:15

and so we were talking about

44:17

that day on why we like

44:19

it which is crazy y'all brought

44:21

this up and I said you

44:23

know what it is it's these

44:25

little things you know See and

44:27

Mary shed a tear and you

44:29

can read that but when you

44:31

picture it and see it's all

44:33

its life is what it is

44:35

and which I told her you

44:38

know I hugged her for I

44:40

left and I said see this

44:42

is this is life which she

44:44

I mean she busted out laughing

44:46

when I said that I got

44:48

kind of serpy you know but

44:50

I was like I mean it's

44:52

picnics with people you love it's

44:54

you know going to see the

44:56

grandkids and but when you put

44:58

Jesus as an actual person you're

45:00

watching and seeing all these little

45:02

moments. It's not, it's not the

45:05

big stuff, which is what, the

45:07

religious world, they're like, oh this

45:09

is not word for word. But

45:11

I'm like, but it becomes real

45:13

that this God became a man

45:15

and had conversations with other people.

45:17

You know, these little moments happen

45:19

because they happen to us every

45:21

day, which really makes life worth

45:23

living. And I'm like, don't miss

45:25

the thrilling aspect of God became

45:27

a man. He lived life. We

45:29

saw it. And they captured the

45:31

big moments. It's like, well, yeah,

45:34

but what about all those years?

45:36

You know, we don't have his

45:38

childhood. That's why I think this

45:40

is unusual, because it's not a

45:42

biography about Jesus, because what do

45:44

you have to have when you

45:46

have a biography? They say, well,

45:48

he was born and so, well,

45:50

we got the birth. Then we

45:52

skip over pretty much the majority

45:54

of his life, except for one

45:56

instance, when he was at his

45:58

father's house. I think that was

46:01

12 years old and then we're what 30

46:03

30 years old yeah so it's mainly about

46:05

the bulk of this whole thing is about

46:07

three years of his life yeah so my

46:09

point most of it the last two weeks

46:11

so my point is what was the purpose

46:14

of that well it the purpose was

46:16

this is not a biography this is

46:18

about God becoming a man but you

46:20

can fill in the blanks because I'm

46:22

pretty sure that he lived a pretty

46:24

normal life for 30 years yeah well you

46:27

can you not explore that? You

46:29

know it's interesting though, when you

46:31

said that in the past we

46:34

had maybe people had an

46:36

issue with his divinity and

46:38

now it's more with his

46:40

humanity, if you strip

46:43

Christ of his divinity,

46:45

then you have a powerless

46:47

Messiah. But if you strip

46:49

Christ... of this humanity than you

46:52

have a loveless Messiah. And

46:54

I think that that's the

46:56

point of John chapter one

46:58

versus one through 13 is that

47:00

this God, he sets this up

47:03

as talking about the supremacy, the

47:05

sovereignty, the fact that he was

47:07

the agent in creation and he's

47:09

like building this up, but the

47:12

whole idea is that that word...

47:14

became flesh. You put on flesh

47:16

and that's why we're hitting the

47:18

importance of the physical universe. The

47:20

reason why we hit that so

47:22

hard in the physical nature of

47:24

the kingdom, I heard a pastor

47:26

once say, I can't wait to go

47:28

to heaven and get rid of this

47:30

meat suit. I'm thinking, well, that's not

47:33

in the Bible. A meat suit?

47:35

That's, I mean, that's, that's how

47:37

you, I mean. Flast that God

47:39

created. Yeah, but it's, but that,

47:41

but the, it's only Christianity that

47:43

holds up the physical universe in

47:45

very high regard and very high

47:47

steam. Say, well, what does it

47:49

have to do with our current

47:51

cultural issues today? Look, the whole

47:53

transgender movement is a misunderstanding that

47:55

you are not separate from your

47:58

body. Yeah. And Christ shows that.

48:00

Christ comes in bodily form to

48:02

say no you your body matters

48:04

your body the physical universe is

48:06

extremely important and so I even

48:08

thought this Sunday we're singing and

48:10

I can't help it I'm seeing

48:13

this everywhere now we're seeing a

48:15

very old him amazing grace and I'm

48:17

all into it until the very last

48:19

line and I'm like I thought is that

48:21

true the earth it will dissolve like

48:23

snow like snow? I don't think so.

48:25

I don't think the earth's going to

48:27

fail. I don't think that's what the

48:29

Bible teaches, that the earth just goes

48:32

away and that we just float into

48:34

the ethos. You know, no, there, the physical

48:36

world matters because God said it

48:38

mattered and he said it's very

48:40

good and not only did he

48:42

say that, he also says, I'm going to

48:44

become human flesh. So when the

48:47

Lord became flesh, when God, when Yaway,

48:49

when the word of Yawwe, the logos,

48:51

became human flesh, he is saying it

48:53

matters. even more so with the resurrection.

48:55

Oh yeah, exactly. Which is why the

48:57

resurrection just validates it. The new birth

49:00

starts here. So we're not waiting just

49:02

to die to be reborn. We've already

49:04

been reborn. That's the whole idea about

49:06

faith. Look, the one time I thought

49:08

I was actually literally gonna get stoned

49:10

at a church building after I gave

49:13

a sermon is when I literally thought I

49:15

was gonna get stoned in the parking

49:17

lot. Because I said. God was... You

49:19

don't mean on drugs, you mean like

49:21

rocks throwing that job? Yeah, oh I

49:23

got, I mean get out of here,

49:26

don't ever come back. I said God

49:28

is gender neutral and boy,

49:30

here was the point I made,

49:32

I said even though he's referred

49:34

to, because back then there was

49:37

a lot of controversy that God

49:39

is his, in Genesis, it's

49:41

a masculine pronoun, I was

49:43

like, but he created... In

49:45

his image, male and female,

49:47

in his image, you get the

49:50

connection here? Yeah. And they

49:52

were the completion of his

49:54

image. Male and female coming

49:56

together. And I made the

49:58

point of, you know, One day

50:00

that would be a sign that we would

50:02

be married to Jesus. There's neither male

50:04

or female. I was like, it does

50:07

refer to him as a masculine pronoun.

50:09

But you would have thought, because all

50:11

of a sudden it's like, well, that's

50:14

what the liberal humanity is

50:16

saying. And I'm like, I don't care what

50:18

they're saying. But God is pro-man and woman

50:20

in his image, they both came from him.

50:22

So in that light, I would say, and

50:24

he was gender neutral, which maybe I could

50:27

have heard that better. You were making a

50:29

doctrine out of the whole thing. You were

50:31

talking, I see what you're saying, I mean,

50:33

you see that in Protocol Son, Rembrandt's Protocol

50:35

Son, you should Google this picture, if you're

50:38

listening, this Google Rembrandt, Protocol Son, it's a

50:40

famous painting, and look at the Hands as

50:42

the Protocolt as the Protocol Son embraces, embraces

50:44

the Son, And you'll see one

50:46

of the hands, it looks

50:48

like a very strong masculine

50:50

fatherly hand, and the other

50:53

one is that motherly sweet

50:55

embrace. One of the verses

50:57

I use, remember when Jesus

50:59

said, you know, I'm gathering

51:01

around like a mother. How

51:03

long to gather you under

51:06

my wing like a hand?

51:08

About Jesus. Yeah, about Jesus.

51:10

And also Matthew, he said

51:12

it to Israel. So much

51:14

of, you know, people don't

51:16

believe in God, they're like,

51:19

well, the Bibles against women. And I

51:21

was like, oh, no, he, I

51:23

mean, and we said on the

51:25

last podcast, Mary was the first

51:28

one to announce that Jesus

51:30

had been raised. I mean,

51:32

there was a special moment

51:34

here. Your point is made

51:36

pretty strongly when the verses

51:38

says there's no longer male

51:40

and female. Well, you know, you

51:42

would think, but didn't like it.

51:44

God does carry a masculine pronoun in

51:46

all the scripture. Well, I'm not saying

51:49

that the that is the grammar That's

51:51

a I would think if someone did

51:53

a little research. They'd find that out

51:55

All right. Well, we'll get into that

51:57

and more next time. I want to

51:59

close of this quote since we brought

52:01

up N.T. Wright, he said the book

52:03

of John is a pool that's safe

52:05

enough for children to paddle in but

52:08

deep enough for an elephant to

52:10

swim in. Yeah. And I thought that's

52:12

pretty good. Which is why we're doing

52:14

this overview because that's what John did.

52:16

Yeah. And the current is strong enough

52:18

for a heretic to drown in. I

52:21

just came up with. That's pretty good.

52:23

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