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am unachamed. What about

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you? time in my southern layer

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studio my crack staff here is

0:46

trying to get me set up

0:48

down there I think we finally

0:50

got it yeah our crack staff

0:53

of one yeah well one and

0:55

Josh contributes everyone so we were

0:57

just talking about Maddie who's your

0:59

crack staff I don't know like

1:01

he's living in a different society

1:04

parallel I was like crack

1:06

staff is Maddie and sometimes Josh

1:08

she seems to be the troubles

1:10

shooter Josh used to do our

1:13

podcast, but I was on

1:15

an adventure. You are? Yeah, it

1:17

literally was like I was

1:19

part of a duck dynasty

1:21

episode with no hammers. But

1:23

I felt that they were

1:25

there, because everything that happened

1:28

just seemed like a movie.

1:30

Isn't that something like some some

1:33

weekend? You would only feel that

1:35

way if you bid on television

1:37

Where did you where did you

1:40

go Jay? I went to a

1:42

little place called Nashville Tennessee The

1:44

eastern the eastern layer for Jay's

1:47

something happened in Nashville this past

1:49

weekend. Yeah, it was epic. I

1:51

was trying to remember. Oh,

1:54

I just remembered what it

1:56

was Yeah, Florida Florida won

1:58

the SEC championship Uh, yeah,

2:00

and while that happened, uh, the Florida

2:02

baseball team got swept by a little

2:05

place called Tennessee. So, I'll involve fans

2:07

at baseball. They're cheering now. So anyway,

2:09

uh, my son, my remaining single son.

2:12

Oh, that's right. I was hoping to

2:14

hear this story. Oh, ow. Love is

2:16

in the air. How was the theme?

2:19

But the reason I felt like he's

2:21

never looked more like you I saw

2:23

the picture and he looks just like

2:26

you appreciate that. Yeah, so Yeah, it

2:28

was something, you know He's in love

2:30

you're saying is that what you're telling

2:33

us? Yeah, he's in love he proposed

2:35

and we had these storms come through

2:37

and I'm mindful that a lot of

2:40

people lost their life. Yes, you know,

2:42

which so our hearts and prayers go

2:44

out to them, but we were, that

2:47

was kind of the backdrop for this.

2:49

So you know, my place got hit

2:51

by a tornado a year ago, and

2:54

it's still not livable. We tried it.

2:56

No, Cole lives there. But you know,

2:58

if you're a single guy, it's a

3:01

camp, I guess. Because half of my

3:03

house is gone. And the other half,

3:05

they've kind of, you know, duct taped.

3:08

So Missy cleaned it all up and

3:10

because the proposal was going to happen

3:12

there Which Cole was like, you know?

3:15

Hey, he calls his girlfriend. So you

3:17

knew this is going down. This is

3:19

going everybody knew except the his girlfriend

3:22

It was a surprise her family was

3:24

coming up from parts unknown and they

3:26

knew about it Well, yeah, this was

3:29

a surprise he had already asked them

3:31

for oh, yeah, everybody knew about this

3:33

Okay, I didn't know how this thing

3:36

was going down and which I realized

3:38

during the process my son is way

3:40

more romantic than Me or pretty much

3:43

any guy. You know, that's a low

3:45

bar. It is. There's no bar. So,

3:47

uh, but then we had to move

3:50

everything up because the storm, we're looking

3:52

at the radar, you know. Oh, right.

3:54

Because there's another, yeah. Well, the wind

3:57

was blowing 40, 50 miles an hour

3:59

during the night. Missy had cleaned the

4:01

house, the remaining part as well, but

4:04

when we walked in, when you know,

4:06

we, we, we, I, my daughter and

4:08

I flew, my daughter and I flew

4:11

into, flew into Nashville, and uh, long

4:13

story. And Missy was already there, because

4:15

the anticipation, boy, just, oh, I mean,

4:18

this was like... Women love this. This

4:20

was like opening day of duck season

4:22

for all the females. Days, there are

4:25

shows, you don't know about them, and

4:27

I vaguely know about them, that are

4:29

built on this premise. The entire season

4:32

is about the proposal all leading to

4:34

this moment. Yeah, one of my best

4:36

friends told me before I went. He

4:39

said, you're gonna have to be real...

4:41

mindful of the situation that you're in.

4:43

I did my best. But the bad

4:46

thing was... It's a good friend telling

4:48

you, not too much, just when you

4:50

think of something funny. The music cleaned

4:53

this place up, I go out there,

4:55

you know, and we had met somewhere

4:57

else when I landed and, oh, we

5:00

all went to a kind of a

5:02

little private restaurant thing at some golf

5:04

place or whatever. And I actually met

5:07

an excellent human being. He's an F.L.

5:09

football player and a believer. So that

5:11

was good. And so when we get

5:14

to our little home, Missy goes in

5:16

there, opens the first drawer. I'm not

5:18

sure why she opened the drawer. Just

5:21

right there in the kitchen. And a

5:23

mouse about four inches long just jumped

5:25

straight up in front of her face.

5:27

That's why I said it felt like

5:30

a episode. I mean, how does this

5:32

happen? Well, you don't miss you doesn't

5:34

do critters as reality TV. That's something

5:37

you would have killed for it to

5:39

happen naturally. Oh, she just Lost it

5:41

and I think it was all the

5:44

drama and now she's face to face

5:46

With the beast Which I thought it

5:48

was kind of funny, you know, but

5:51

I looked around so much to her

5:53

saw a few droppings here and there

5:55

I was like from the mouth She

5:58

said no from the mouth right yeah,

6:00

I thought you miss you was really

6:02

we have an epidemic remember that time

6:05

I told you the story on this

6:07

pocket. Well, what's happened is I eradicated

6:09

that problem in our storage room. Well

6:12

they just moved, with the two giant

6:14

buckets of dead rats, I remember that.

6:16

They just moved over and now, because

6:19

everything on my hill is gone. All

6:21

the woods are going, every, every- You're

6:23

the only structure on the, yeah, they've

6:26

all moved and it's not just that.

6:28

So in fact, well now the wind's

6:30

blowing, they got all this temporary roof

6:33

and you know, all kind of things

6:35

to keep the water out of what's

6:37

remaining. When we try to go to

6:40

sleep and you know we have a

6:42

little fan that- that works as a

6:44

sound barrier so you can sleep. It,

6:47

when I woke up, because I dozed

6:49

up, but then I woke up because

6:51

I was dreaming that I was in

6:54

a rocket ship coming through the Earth's

6:56

atmosphere. And then I realized it's the

6:58

50 mile an hour wind on the

7:01

house. It was undouble. So I finally

7:03

eased back to sleep and then, you

7:05

know, I went Jack Elam where one

7:08

of my eyes opened. Because I realize

7:10

there's something crawling on me. And it's

7:12

in a region that you don't want

7:15

things crawling. And so I just, you

7:17

know, and I never, I didn't realize

7:19

at the time when it was, but

7:22

I thought I had killed it. And

7:24

then I went and tried to get

7:26

some sleep, but it was pretty miserable.

7:29

And so the next morning, when we

7:31

got up, which I might have got

7:33

two or three hours, Missy got less

7:36

than that, there was a dead beetle.

7:38

When I got up it was just

7:40

a dead like a beetle. Yeah crawling

7:43

up my leg I mean the missy

7:45

said I can't take it anymore so

7:47

we we move we had a company

7:50

move we we had a camp out

7:52

it read and write with the three

7:54

grandkids which actually based on the night

7:57

we had had it was like we

7:59

were standing in some nice resort swanky

8:01

once a few kids holler So anyway,

8:04

Cole, he did the proposal out at

8:06

the farm. He had decorated the porch,

8:08

you know. And then we met up

8:11

with the family, which we had never

8:13

met. And when she walked in, she

8:15

pulled up, which she knew when she

8:18

pulled up, because she saw all her

8:20

family's vehicles. And so wasn't that like,

8:22

that surprise was what she wanted. And

8:25

let's face it. She's been waiting for

8:27

this probably a while, because they know

8:29

when things that they can anticipate. Well,

8:32

they've been dated about, what, two years?

8:34

A year and a half? Yeah, a

8:36

couple years. You know, when they actually

8:39

met, Jason, Mississippi, for the first time?

8:41

Zach, you and I were there. When

8:43

was it? At the K-level Awards. A-level

8:46

Awards. Yeah, that's for the first time

8:48

that she met Jason, Missy, was that

8:50

night. Yeah, well, I thought you made

8:53

call. Yeah, okay. No, they had already

8:55

been dating. I felt bad about that

8:57

about that, because, because you know when

9:00

you know when you know when you're

9:02

there, we were there, we were there,

9:04

we were there, we were there, we

9:07

were there, we were there, we were

9:09

there, we were there, we were there,

9:11

we were there, we were there, we

9:14

were there, we were there, we were

9:16

there, we were there, we were there,

9:18

we were there, we were there, we

9:21

were there, we were, we were, we

9:23

were, we were, we were, we I

9:25

mean, that was it. It was just,

9:28

I only had a minute, but, oh,

9:30

she's a, she's just, I mean, high

9:32

quality. Right off the bat. Human being.

9:35

But when she came in, you know,

9:37

they had this sign and I looked

9:39

at it, I read it. It said

9:42

love is in full blue. That's why

9:44

your friend told you to just be

9:46

quiet. It's a phrase that I've never

9:49

used. I've never used nor seen. Something

9:51

tells me, something tells me that coal

9:53

did not come up with that sign

9:56

that he had. I think that. That

9:58

was bright. But, uh, yeah. So look,

10:00

the backstory, so the C story was,

10:03

Reed had gone to get the cake.

10:05

That would be the name of this

10:07

episode, with something twisted to, yeah. So,

10:10

Reed had gone to get the cake.

10:12

So, Reed's got three kids, three, two,

10:14

and one. He has the kids, he

10:17

goes and picks the cake. I mean,

10:19

gets all the kids out, because, you

10:21

know, Brighton's making the homes. Is this

10:24

the B story? The meeting was at

10:26

Reed and Brighton's. No, this is the

10:28

C store. Okay. We have the battle

10:31

at the hill. So that would have

10:33

been the A story. Oh, yeah. And

10:35

then the C story is Reed going

10:38

and he's the Aaron. Aaron Boy. So

10:40

folks, for those of you the one

10:42

who, this is how you produce an

10:45

episode. This is it. It all happens.

10:47

It all happens. Organically. This is making

10:49

the sausage. So really goes and gets

10:52

the cake. You know, you have one

10:54

job. You go get the cake. But

10:56

you have three small kids. So just...

10:59

I see where this is going. Put

11:01

a camera in there. Put a camera.

11:06

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12:53

goes in on loads of kids,

12:55

he goes in there, he gets

12:57

the cake, well he puts the

13:00

cake in between the two car

13:02

seats. In between the two kids.

13:04

So look, he gets back, you

13:06

know, gets out, no problem, you

13:08

know, everything's going. So now, they

13:10

were, they had the cape, they

13:12

popped the top on the cake.

13:14

And it looks like Freddie Kruger

13:16

has just scraped all the, it's

13:18

just, it's fingerprints fingerprints. And uh,

13:20

because the only dirty finger prince,

13:22

those kids, the only thing that

13:24

would draw them in at the

13:26

deepest level was a beautiful cake.

13:28

Well, here's after the investigation and

13:30

the question of how did, did

13:33

you not wonder why our three

13:35

year old had all this icing

13:37

everywhere? And, uh, and look so

13:39

sneakily. That the two-year-old didn't even

13:41

realize it happened in a sneakily

13:43

sneakily. Yeah, look it up. Look

13:45

at that as a word. It's

13:47

a great scramble word. It's got

13:49

the K all seven letters whatever

13:51

so you put attach your seven

13:53

letters to the yes that's a

13:55

full boy if you get that

13:57

right that's why you got to

13:59

be careful with Robert's because you

14:01

want to challenge it you know

14:04

I will never I would never

14:06

challenge you I took it as

14:08

a challenge so look if it

14:10

is a word a triple letter

14:12

and that lose your turn I

14:14

lose my turn Oh, I know

14:16

it's a word. You just lost

14:18

your turn in a furtive or

14:20

sly way. Do you want to

14:22

challenge furtive while we're at it?

14:24

No, I'm going to yell to

14:26

you. I won. Jay's wins. So,

14:28

uh, yeah. So, she had, she

14:30

had destroyed the cake. So, Reid

14:32

had to go get another cake.

14:34

When they walked in though, it

14:37

was the line by his fiancee

14:39

now. She said, I'm so happy.

14:41

I looked around. Every woman was,

14:43

tears were streaming down their faces.

14:45

I thought it was incredible. I

14:47

thought, where are the cameras? I

14:49

mean just streaming I just when

14:51

he actually asked her no no

14:53

they had already had they had

14:55

their little deal she just walked

14:57

in and said I'm so happy

14:59

you know because it was all

15:01

like all the family yeah and

15:03

I looked around I was like

15:05

every every woman was just pouring

15:07

tears I was just shocked by

15:10

that and so then they told

15:12

the story on the storms are

15:14

raging he gets down on one

15:16

knee and proposes and for five

15:18

minutes it The sky is part

15:20

of the sun. Oh boy. Literally.

15:22

They said this happened. And I

15:24

was like, somebody's the Jay storytellers,

15:26

what it sounds like. Then we

15:28

all kind of gave a few

15:30

words of wisdom gathered. up, you

15:32

know, and then got to know

15:34

the new family. Read had gotten

15:36

the new cake in time, you

15:38

know, it was. Oh, so he

15:41

did get a new cake. Well,

15:43

he had to go get a

15:45

new cake. Yeah. Well, we were

15:47

actually, when we were pulling up,

15:49

he was pulling out. There was

15:51

a car behind me. So I

15:53

was like, hey, you know, I'm

15:55

not going to hold up traffic.

15:57

He just rolled his window down

15:59

just standing. Because he was angry.

16:01

Well, why would you put the

16:03

cake in between the two? Of

16:05

course, what do you realize? I

16:07

was like, dad, you sound it?

16:09

Would you say that? Why would

16:11

a man put a cake in

16:14

between two toddlers? Did you not

16:16

know what was going to have

16:18

it? Exactly. So that's what I

16:20

did. It was love was in

16:22

the air. Did you cry? Did

16:24

you shout it to you? I

16:26

mean, I got a little, what

16:28

do you call it? I was

16:30

a little like, wow, this is

16:32

a little tingly, I guess, I

16:34

guess, I guess. Because I was

16:36

like, okay, because I've asked him

16:38

before, I was like, you know,

16:40

so where are we at in

16:42

this thing? Those are a little

16:44

bit of a slow mover. He

16:47

doesn't do anything quickly. And he

16:49

said, we're good. So I thought,

16:51

well, I tried. Missy's like, talk

16:53

to him, make the move, let's

16:55

go. I was like, I talked

16:57

to him. He said, we're good.

16:59

So it just shows you the...

17:01

You know as as a now

17:03

you see why these shows ag

17:05

are popular with the Everything leading

17:07

up to the big proposal of

17:09

course the those are I don't

17:11

know how real those are but

17:13

this was the real deal So

17:15

this would have been a fantastic

17:18

episode. It was a nice moment,

17:20

you know, and we we've just

17:22

you know, our lives are so

17:24

busy and It was just a

17:26

nice But you know, you mentioned

17:28

the interesting thing about, because we

17:30

talked about marriage and weddings and

17:32

John, we were in John too,

17:34

the idea of two families coming

17:36

together, and what you gain by

17:38

that is you don't, that's. Think

17:40

about that. I mean your kids

17:42

are in love and they're beginning

17:44

a life together, but you're also

17:46

incorporating a whole other wing of

17:48

a forever family and folding it

17:51

into your family. That's a powerful

17:53

thing. It was more weird for

17:55

them, their family, because they had

17:57

watched the show, yeah. So I

17:59

just thought in my mind, can

18:01

you believe these people were watching

18:03

this show one time and just

18:05

if maybe somebody having a thought?

18:07

What if, you know, our daughter

18:09

marries one of these? I mean,

18:11

you know, it's like horrifying. And

18:13

now it's a reality. So you're

18:15

like... You're trying to let him

18:17

know it's not as scary as

18:19

it got more awkward than that.

18:21

So after all the festivities and

18:24

all that, they actually put on

18:26

Duck Dynasty. Put three episodes on.

18:28

And I thought, I can't believe

18:30

this worked. I watched three episodes.

18:32

And I thought, what, what? How

18:34

did this catch on? It was

18:36

kind of shocking to me that

18:38

that worked. People watched it. So

18:40

that was my take on that.

18:42

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer,

18:44

but I just I didn't get

18:46

it. Well, people love it. They

18:48

did. Did you have anything interesting

18:50

before we get to our study?

18:52

Well, I will say this. By

18:55

the way, before you tell your

18:57

story, it's just mentioned NFL. You

18:59

told the story about meeting the

19:01

HUD secretary. Is it Taylor? Turner,

19:03

Scott Turner, yes. Scott Turner. And

19:05

you never said anything about that

19:07

he played in the NFL. Oh,

19:09

he was a bawler. Well, I

19:11

mean, how do you leave that

19:13

out of your story? I just

19:15

saw him do an interview and

19:17

he was talking about he played

19:19

at the University of Illinois. He

19:21

was a wide receiver. He switches

19:23

his senior year to cornerback and

19:25

winds up playing for three or

19:28

four teams in the NFL at

19:30

cornerback, which is an incredible story.

19:32

He incorporates that into the idea

19:34

of change, because he's trying to

19:36

change the attitude about HUD. But

19:38

I mean, it was so interesting

19:40

and I was like, how did

19:42

I miss this for the podcast?

19:44

You never said a word about

19:46

it. I wanted to tell you

19:48

that part of it, but I

19:50

could get a word in afterwards.

19:52

I came up with a word

19:54

that was so... You had just

19:56

done sneakily, you would have got

19:59

it. You got to let me

20:01

talk, I mean, but yeah, he

20:03

wants to come dog hunting. I

20:05

did tell him this. You tell

20:07

us that. I want to come

20:09

dog counting with you guys and

20:11

want to eat some soul food,

20:13

which I had to get him

20:15

to define soul food. Because I

20:17

said how deep you want to

20:19

go on the song. Turn up

20:21

grains. Yeah, he's good with that

20:23

level. What he's not good with

20:25

is the hoghead cheese or anything

20:27

like that that granny you see

20:29

that was that was too far

20:32

for him. What in the world's

20:34

wrong with hoghead cheese? That's what

20:36

I said. If you were to

20:38

cut me, hoghead cheese would use

20:40

that. I mean, I love all

20:42

of the DNA here. Well, what's

20:44

funny is my buddy just got

20:46

back from New Orleans and he

20:48

went to a very high. Okay,

20:50

gee. It's now made its way

20:52

up the upper echelon. All the

20:54

poor people food that we ate

20:56

growing up is now delicacies at

20:58

high-end restaurants. But I said, if

21:00

you come duck cutting, you know,

21:02

there's a story of a politician,

21:05

Dick Cheney, going bird hunting, and

21:07

it shots somebody in the face.

21:09

That's, I have to do you

21:11

duck hunt. He said, now, I've

21:13

never been, but he does have

21:15

a Binelli shotgun. So I said,

21:17

well, we'll have to. I'll clear

21:19

it with with jace and then

21:21

maybe I will get y'all blind

21:23

we'll set y'all up about 150

21:25

yards from us. Well you can't

21:27

do any damage. No he says

21:29

y'all he says I think he's

21:31

putting me in the yeah you're

21:33

going to be on the premise

21:36

to go with the secretary. Well

21:38

here's the thing I do want

21:40

to say though in all seriousness

21:42

I want to tell you guys

21:44

how thankful I think for how

21:46

thankful I am that the conversation

21:48

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21:50

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21:52

feel like our well that started

21:54

because Maddie told us that now

21:56

that's one of our more popular

21:58

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22:00

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22:02

my way back to Nashville we

22:04

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22:06

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22:09

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22:11

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22:13

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22:15

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24:27

and I were on our way home from

24:29

Baton Rouge. We got here last time

24:32

by 1130 and we stopped and did

24:34

a, I did a little mini part

24:36

of my story how I came to

24:38

Christ at a Go Tell Ministries

24:40

campaign. They had one in Denham

24:42

Springs which is just north of Baton

24:45

Rouge and it was great. The thing

24:47

was packed days and they asked me

24:49

what to introduce me. I said

24:52

well I'm the oldest Robertson and

24:54

I love LSU and That's about all you

24:56

need to know in a setting like that.

24:58

And when they said that, the whole crowd

25:00

just cheered, you know, because we're 10 miles

25:02

north of Baton Rouge. So I was fired

25:05

up. I only spoke for 15 minutes, which

25:07

is not much for me, but it was

25:09

fantastic. So I know a lot of people

25:11

came to Christ last night, so that was

25:13

really, really good. You already get to

25:15

John 3? Let's do it. All right. So we left

25:18

off at the, kind of the

25:20

tail end of this Nicodemus conversation

25:22

conversation. I think we're ready to

25:24

move into the next text. Was

25:26

there anything else you all wanted

25:28

to cover? Well, we never said

25:30

anything about when he got down and

25:32

said, this is the verdict. That's in 19.

25:35

Which is big when he says that.

25:37

Well, and I mean, there's like a

25:39

courtroom feel to a lot of this where

25:41

like you're making the case, John's

25:43

making the case for Jesus. And

25:45

he put it in a condemnation

25:47

salvation, salvation context, right? Well,

25:50

and he also said that.

25:52

You know, he focused on the positive

25:54

for God did not send his son

25:56

into the world to condemn the world,

25:59

but to save... the world through

26:01

him. That's 17. I think that's

26:03

a key thing to remember. And

26:05

he says that because in 18

26:07

he says whoever does not believe

26:10

stands condemned already. So the idea

26:12

is you don't have to condemn

26:14

the world. The world is already

26:16

condemned by their sinful behavior. Well

26:18

it's just God is not mean

26:21

he's not a bully. You know

26:23

a lot of people when they

26:25

picture God they're like oh he's

26:27

a pair you know ready to

26:30

just... Good, that's what I thought.

26:32

Yeah, the all seeing eyes just

26:34

waiting to catch you and zap

26:36

you. Oh, right. Right. So I

26:38

did want to mention this before

26:41

we talked about the verdict, Jay,

26:43

this this phrase that we did

26:45

back in chapter one, and I

26:47

didn't mention it then, the idea

26:50

of the one and only or

26:52

the begotten, is what the king

26:54

James, mono meaning one. And it

26:56

means in Greek, it was the

26:59

eldest, and the only son. So

27:01

in other words, the eldest son

27:03

always got a double blessing in

27:05

the Jewish because he's supposed to

27:07

take care of the family once

27:10

the patriarch, because he becomes the

27:12

new patriarch. But he's also the

27:14

only son. So he's the oldest

27:16

and the only, which makes him

27:19

the sole heir of heaven and

27:21

earth. So what about these people,

27:23

though, and I'm going to give

27:25

you an argument. So because some

27:27

would say, so there's a phrase

27:30

used in the Old Testament. Zach,

27:32

feel free to enter this, because

27:34

I'm not sure I know all

27:36

this. But when it uses the

27:39

sons of God, like Genesis 6,

27:41

the sons of God, I mean,

27:43

and they use, which they say

27:45

it's like part of the heavenly

27:48

realm, well, the heavenly family, like,

27:50

yeah, the divine counsel, that was

27:52

phrased, they read, uh, Psalm 82,

27:54

Psalm 89. So it's like the

27:56

spiritual family, and one of the

27:59

verses they use. To say so

28:01

when is it? only son or

28:03

like maybe there's something unique. Mm-hmm.

28:05

Because they use this, Hebrews, this

28:08

off the top of my head.

28:10

But when you said that, I

28:12

just, that popped into my brain

28:14

because I think a lot of

28:16

the spiritual warfare people, that wait

28:19

a minute, Hebrews 1117, by faith,

28:21

Abraham, when God test him, offered

28:23

Isaac as a sacrifice, he who

28:25

had received a promise was about

28:28

to sacrifice, his one and only

28:30

son. But Abraham actually had other

28:32

sons. Right. And I haven't. It

28:34

was his only son with Sarah.

28:37

And remember they couldn't have kids.

28:39

It was... I was just bringing

28:41

that out. I'm not sure what,

28:43

how to balance that. Well, I

28:45

know one thing you can say,

28:48

and you can use it in

28:50

the same case with Abraham, is

28:52

one thing we know is that

28:54

there was something uniquely different about

28:57

Jesus for this phrase to describe

28:59

him. So he was different from

29:01

any other sons of the heaven.

29:03

Exactly. That's kind of where I

29:05

was going with it because I

29:08

think, you know, it's like, well,

29:10

we believe there's one God. Now

29:12

he has three persons, but it's

29:14

one God. And you think father,

29:17

son, holy spirit, as unique. So

29:19

is that what what are your

29:21

thoughts on that? Yeah, I mean,

29:23

that's a yeah. The Genesis 6

29:25

passage, I think, yeah, it opens

29:28

up a whole other paradigm that

29:30

I honestly have not grown up

29:32

thinking about until recently, mainly because

29:34

I've read that Michael Heiser book,

29:37

seeing the Unseen realm, no, seeing

29:39

that's two different books. And you're

29:41

talking about the sons of men

29:43

passage. What is the name of

29:46

that book? The unseen realm. Yeah,

29:48

I haven't read it, but I've

29:50

heard people talk about it. Yeah,

29:52

it's kind of weird because there's

29:54

some parts about it. Like I

29:57

think he's on to something for

29:59

sure. I mean obviously he's a

30:01

lot smarter than I am and

30:03

well studied. But I don't know,

30:06

some of it, some of it,

30:08

I don't know if I would

30:10

translate, particularly in Genesis, chapter one,

30:12

verse 26, when he says, let

30:14

us make man an hour image

30:17

in the image of God he

30:19

created them both male and female.

30:21

I've always interpreted that to be

30:23

a passage that's a Trinitarian passage

30:26

of the Trinity speaking. He says

30:28

not. He says that's the divine

30:30

counsel. Yeah, I probably disagree with

30:32

him on that, but I think

30:35

there is something to something to.

30:37

the spiritual family because I believe

30:39

they're made in the image of

30:41

God with a special function yeah

30:43

just like we were which is

30:46

I think is the one of

30:48

the main points of the Bible

30:50

that no one ever talks about

30:52

that we're we're made to be

30:55

imagers of God we have a

30:57

job we have function I mean

30:59

look I just give you a

31:01

crazy illustration I mean look I

31:03

just give you a crazy illustration

31:06

I I'm so frustrated with today's

31:08

appliances. You know, I redid my

31:10

house and all these appliances I

31:12

kept having to replace. So when

31:15

it came to the refrigerator, remember

31:17

those podcasts maybe a year ago?

31:19

I mean this thing, state of

31:21

the art, industrial refrigerator has the

31:24

capability of a camera inside of

31:26

it. So you can be at

31:28

the grocery store and like, you

31:30

know, look, see what's in your

31:32

free... I mean... Just splurge said

31:35

I don't want to ever buy

31:37

another refrigerator by the greatest Refrigerator

31:39

on the planet. So we splurged

31:41

on it because I was taught

31:44

I kept having to replace them

31:46

Well, guess what? It's not in

31:48

my house right now. Mm-hmm. You

31:50

know what? Because after a few

31:52

months it started going like the

31:55

most annoying ever and you have

31:57

to go in and push the

31:59

alarm button. Well finally, I was

32:01

like, babe, call the repairs. It's

32:04

going all for a reason. So

32:06

every time it would get to

32:08

40 degrees, the alarm would go

32:10

on. Now there's a reason. So

32:13

this whole boy comes, he looks

32:15

like sigh, identical. When he walked

32:17

in, I thought, hey, and I

32:19

was gonna say sigh, but it

32:21

wasn't sigh. It was a refrigerator

32:24

repairman. Can you imagine size of

32:26

refrigerator repairment? And I was like,

32:28

look, dude, this thing's brand new.

32:30

Still under warranty. He said, that's

32:33

the good news. And I said,

32:35

I don't understand what it's brand

32:37

new. And he's like, they want

32:39

to save the planet. He said,

32:41

they're all junk. This was this

32:44

guy. That's what he done. And

32:46

he works on. Yeah. And I

32:48

said, well, what should I have

32:50

bought? He said, the cheapest one

32:53

you can find. The oldest one

32:55

you can. Well, the old ones,

32:57

you know, or they say destroying

32:59

the planet. Yeah. But it hit

33:02

me in that moment. I have

33:04

something that's brand new and it

33:06

won't function. It won't do its

33:08

job. So you see the spiritual

33:10

application I'm making here. When you're

33:13

brand new, at some point you

33:15

realize I'm to be an imager.

33:17

I have a function that God

33:19

prepared for me to do. That's

33:22

the difference. So I mean, I

33:24

think it's important. So

33:28

Jay's you remember we were youngsters

33:30

in school and you in school

33:32

and school of preaching You had

33:34

read during that period of time

33:36

and you were sharing it with

33:38

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33:40

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33:42

a huge impact on you and

33:45

then me because I didn't even

33:47

realize that was out there, but

33:49

it was it was inspiring Yeah,

33:51

it's kind of like you're new

33:53

to the faith and all of

33:55

a sudden you read people from

33:57

the past Who were willing to

33:59

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34:01

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35:22

I like I like that word

35:24

too because I think it'll I

35:26

think what happens if you don't

35:28

see what we're talking about here

35:30

is that it does kind of

35:32

change the entire narrative in my

35:34

opinion of the whole story and

35:37

the way I would say that

35:39

would be it you'll tend to

35:41

If you divorce it or kind

35:43

of separate out the whole story

35:45

of the of the of a

35:47

cosmic battle of the sons of

35:49

God and some of those sons

35:51

of God fell and some of

35:53

those sons of God came into

35:56

the women. and created Nephalim and

35:58

all these other species and all

36:00

these other ones are not almost

36:02

a subhuman, but not human, fully

36:04

human. There is like this, the

36:06

Genesis 11 that whenever God, you

36:08

know, he has the tower babble

36:10

and he creates nations for the

36:13

first time, because nations didn't exist

36:15

until Genesis 11. Well, that was

36:17

a result of man essentially trying

36:19

to work his way to God,

36:21

trying to build a tower. God

36:23

confuses everybody's language. He creates nations,

36:25

he pulls a portion of that

36:27

nation, of those nations for himself,

36:29

Israel, that's Genesis 12. And it's

36:32

like to me, it's like this

36:34

really beautiful narrative of scripture that

36:36

God is building out and there's

36:38

this battle, but there's also this

36:40

plan of God to bring his

36:42

people back to Eden, so it's

36:44

that edenic vision, I love all

36:46

that. I think that's the picture

36:48

of the kingdom. And if you

36:51

kind of divorce that, you'll end

36:53

up reading a lot of the

36:55

New Testament. And you'll just see

36:57

a piece of it and you'll

36:59

say like you get to like

37:01

the book of Romans and you

37:03

read everything through the lens of

37:05

what's called satirical, meaning salvation. Like

37:07

what do I got to do

37:10

to be saved? What I got

37:12

to do? Am I saved? Am

37:14

I saved? And they become this

37:16

obsession with being saved and you

37:18

almost forget like, what do I,

37:20

God's calling us into an interactive

37:22

life with him. And like it's

37:24

more than just getting saved from,

37:26

you know. going to hell. I

37:29

mean, like, the Bible is way

37:31

more than that. The story is

37:33

way more than that. So I

37:35

think it does matter to have

37:37

this discussion. I think it has

37:39

a lot of implications on how

37:41

we read the rest of scripture.

37:43

Yeah. And I mean, to go

37:45

back to our point, I think

37:48

the difference in the Son of

37:50

God is all these other Sons

37:52

of God, if you want to

37:54

use that phrase, because it is

37:56

translated, it's in there a lot.

37:58

Yeah. They were created and... Jesus

38:00

was the one doing the creating.

38:02

I mean you said what about

38:05

when he became Well, that he

38:07

became flesh. He's versatile. Exactly. But

38:09

he is the creator, which is

38:11

why I think John makes that

38:13

point when he says, through him,

38:15

John 1-3, all things were made

38:17

without him, nothing was made that

38:19

has been made. But I do

38:21

think there is a heavenly host.

38:24

There's another phrase that's there. And

38:26

I think They had a choice

38:28

just like we do and so

38:30

and they didn't they weren't light

38:32

Light that creates light. I mean

38:34

Jesus was that same text and

38:36

John one and he brings it

38:38

up again here. I like that

38:40

idea you brought up the idea

38:43

of verdict I did a sermon

38:45

a long time ago where I

38:47

painted a picture of a courtroom

38:49

and is what I call the

38:51

no way to lose because Satan

38:53

is your accuser. He's called that

38:55

in several different texts. So he's

38:57

the one trying to accuse you.

38:59

So here you are at your

39:02

little table over here on the

39:04

side and you're like, oh man,

39:06

Satan's accusing me. But your defense

39:08

attorney, your advocate, is Jesus. Because

39:10

you know, that's some first, John.

39:12

So all these different pictures of

39:14

him. He's also, though, you're a

39:16

star witness. because he's a witness

39:18

that you now are in him

39:21

so he's on the stand for

39:23

you but you look up at

39:25

where the judge sits and there's

39:27

the father is the ultimate judge

39:29

but he says he's brought this

39:31

son to save the world so

39:33

he's even your judge and then

39:35

you look over the jury box

39:37

and there's 12 Jesus is over

39:40

there it's like there's no way

39:42

you lose in this courtroom of

39:44

Satan because Jesus is every phase

39:46

of your representation And so I

39:48

just love the idea that the

39:50

verdict is in. Yeah, it's a

39:52

really. I already got to say

39:54

it one time, like Jesus is

39:57

the judge and he's sitting behind

39:59

the podium or the pulpit and

40:01

he's like, how do you play?

40:03

And then he gets, he literally

40:05

stands up and he goes. and

40:07

he walks around and sits by

40:09

the defendant, which would be me.

40:11

And he says, I plead, my

40:13

client pleads, not guilty. He walks

40:16

back up to the judge seat

40:18

by what grounds? It's like, same

40:20

guy going back and forth and

40:22

saying, we're in kind of great

40:24

shape, you know, that. that Jesus

40:26

is all of it. You know,

40:28

and there's several verses I don't

40:30

have in front of me because

40:32

yeah, but but there are verses

40:35

that show every step of that

40:37

if you put in. Like 17

40:39

says he's gonna judge the world

40:41

right. And then there's other verses

40:43

to say he mediates for us

40:45

and there's other verses that talk

40:47

about the advocates for us. Yeah,

40:49

it's well, I was just making

40:51

the point that I mean. When

40:54

you look at the sons of

40:56

God and the son of God,

40:58

I mean, to me, it's like

41:00

God loves family as a celestial

41:02

family with jobs to do. And

41:04

he has a human family. And

41:06

same thing. Yeah. I mean, we

41:08

are to image our creator. But

41:10

that's why there's a lot of

41:13

obscure passages that we never read.

41:15

I was just looking about, I

41:17

was trying to find this, and

41:19

first kings 22, you can, this

41:21

will be, I wouldn't use this

41:23

as a morning devo, but if

41:25

you just want to say, huh,

41:27

there's a, there's this weird conversation

41:29

about these kings trying to consult

41:32

with prophets to see, you know,

41:34

if God is in their favor

41:36

or what to do. And just

41:38

to give you a thumbnail of

41:40

it, I was actually talking about

41:42

this with my assistant on my

41:44

events. And she was like, that's

41:46

in the Bible? I was like,

41:49

yeah. And as first kings, 22,

41:51

and this king, Jehosa fat, he

41:53

was like wanting to get a

41:55

prophecy, but he's, and I'll just

41:57

pick it up in verse 18,

41:59

but he says, the king of

42:01

Israel said to Joe's, fat, didn't

42:03

I tell you that he never

42:05

prophesysize anything good about me, but

42:08

only bad, which is funny? They're

42:10

like, let's see what the... Lord's

42:12

prophet and he's like, I don't

42:14

want to get him because every

42:16

time he tells me something, there's

42:18

nothing good about me. And then

42:20

this, I'm going to say that,

42:22

Makaya, continue, this is 19. Therefore,

42:24

here, the word of the Lord,

42:27

and watch what he says. I

42:29

saw the Lord sitting on his

42:31

throne with all the host of

42:33

heaven, here's the heavenly host, standing

42:35

around him on his right and

42:37

on his left. which revelation uses

42:39

the same kind of imagery. And

42:41

the Lord said, who will entice

42:43

Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and

42:46

going to his death there? So

42:48

the Lord's like, wanting to take

42:50

Ahab out here, but he's like,

42:52

it's not like God doesn't know

42:54

what's going on, but he uses

42:56

this, if you want to use

42:58

Zax word, counsel. for a conversation

43:00

of these spirits. And look, one

43:02

suggested this and another that. So

43:05

it's like some kind of heavenly

43:07

conversation, which they have a job

43:09

to do. We're assuming with humans

43:11

and I guess from a distance,

43:13

but so finally a spirit came

43:15

forward. Now this is this vision

43:17

of the heavenly host that this

43:19

fellow is describing, stood before the

43:22

Lord and said, well, I'll entice

43:24

him. And by what means the

43:26

Lord, the Lord. asked, I will

43:28

go out and be a lying

43:30

spirit in the mouths of all

43:32

his prophets, he said. Now you're

43:34

thinking right here, what? But watch

43:36

what he says, you will succeed

43:38

in enticing him, said the Lord,

43:41

go and do it. So the

43:43

so the Lord put a lying

43:45

spirit in the mouths of all

43:47

those prophets of yours, the Lord

43:49

is decreed disaster for you. So

43:51

basically the story goes, they go

43:53

out and say, hey, the Lord

43:55

said, go down here and you're

43:57

good. That's what it's probably, but

44:00

it wasn't true. Right. I mean,

44:02

there's so many things to, but

44:04

just the idea that this story

44:06

comes up is just because we've

44:08

never seen the heavenly hosts and,

44:10

you know, these sons of God,

44:12

but we're familiar with angels and,

44:14

I mean, there's a whole spiritual

44:16

world out there, especially when you

44:19

get to books like Ephesians that

44:21

says, you know, our struggle's not

44:23

against flesh and blood, but the

44:25

rulers, the powers, yeah. authority, spiritual

44:27

forces of evil in the heavenly

44:29

realms. So it is a thing.

44:31

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44:33

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44:35

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44:38

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46:19

scary thing about that Chase is

46:21

that we tend to marginalized that

46:23

realm when we think, oh, somebody

46:25

heard something from a spirit and

46:27

we're like, no you didn't, that's

46:30

your own mind. The scripture with

46:32

each other, they're real like powers

46:34

that are at play that are

46:36

actually shaping people and and whispering

46:38

to people. Now we can over

46:40

spiritualize things too, I think that's

46:42

a dangerous list, talked about this

46:44

that, you know, the devil can.

46:46

trick you into thinking there are

46:49

no devils or that everything's the

46:51

devil's fall and the Bible says

46:53

pretty clearly that we're also dragged

46:55

away in times by our own

46:57

evil desires but that that passage

46:59

that you mentioned what it testifies

47:01

to me is is that there

47:03

is like there's real forces at

47:06

play here there's no no real

47:08

things happening that are real entities

47:10

and and so I don't like

47:12

that it scares me well it

47:14

should scare you yeah I mean

47:16

I think we've missed an important

47:18

part of what Jesus' death and

47:20

resurrection did. Because we're so atonement-centered,

47:22

we're like, it's all about the

47:25

sins, it's all about the fall

47:27

of man. But it's also about

47:29

disarming and ultimately defeating all the

47:31

celestial powers that have made their

47:33

decision in our opposed to God.

47:35

And our who, you know, a

47:37

lot of them have been hurled

47:39

to the earth and are doing

47:41

mischief. I mean, and I think

47:44

this theme. comes up. I didn't

47:46

just bring it up out of

47:48

the blue. When he gets to

47:50

the end to John 3 and

47:52

he's talking about this light and

47:54

darkness and when he was talking

47:56

about this heavenly versus the earthly,

47:58

well who is described as earthly?

48:00

Well think about when it says

48:03

earthly wisdom in James three and

48:05

it says earthly worldly wisdom James

48:07

three fifteen talking about Watch what

48:09

it says in verse 14 if

48:11

you harbor bitter envy and selfish

48:13

ambition in your hearts do not

48:15

boast about it to deny the

48:17

truth such wisdom does not come

48:19

from heaven but is earthly unspiritual

48:22

and look at that look at

48:24

that look at that look at

48:26

that look at that of the

48:28

devil. Yeah, right. So that's why

48:30

when you get to passages like

48:32

Colosions too, and he talks about

48:34

we've been given fullness in Christ

48:36

and we he talks about Christ

48:38

cutting off the sinful nature. Remember,

48:41

you know, in verse 12 and

48:43

he likes it to the circumcision,

48:45

you know, having been raised with

48:47

him in baptism and raised with

48:49

him through your faith in the

48:51

power of God or the working

48:53

of God, he raised from the

48:55

dead. And then it's talking about

48:58

sins when it says when you

49:00

were dead in your sins, God

49:02

made you alive. He forgave us

49:04

all our sins. But what's this

49:06

pivot when he says, uh, having

49:08

canceled the written code with its

49:10

regulations that was against us, this

49:12

is Galosha 214. He took it

49:14

away, nail it to the cross.

49:17

And then watch this phrase. Having

49:19

disarmed the... powers and authorities, he

49:21

made a public spectacle of them

49:23

triumphing over them by the cross.

49:25

Well, who's he talking about? He's

49:27

talking about all these beans and

49:29

their powers, yeah, that have been

49:31

hurled down to the earth and

49:33

even the evil one who is

49:36

deemed Lord of the dead, the

49:38

realm of the dead. which is

49:40

why you have Hebrews 214 which

49:42

Jesus' work on the cross. Remember

49:44

what it says destroyed His work

49:46

who helped all these humans in

49:48

slavery by their fear of death.

49:50

Well the one thing that you

49:52

see there consistently is there's a

49:55

link to the going zone in

49:57

the heavenly realm and the going

49:59

zone in the earthly realm and

50:01

the going zone in the earthly

50:03

realm and they don't know either.

50:05

That's a big point and I

50:07

think that's also gets to the

50:09

conversation that we started a kind

50:11

of of vocation because if you

50:14

listen to the language in John

50:16

I want to pass it out

50:18

of John then I go to

50:20

Ephesian so make the the correlation

50:22

to our vocation to our vocation.

50:24

But it says in John 319

50:26

that this is the judgment. He

50:28

defines what the judgment is. Here's

50:30

the judgment. This is interesting that

50:33

the judgment is that light has

50:35

come into the world. Like the

50:37

judgment is that the judgment is

50:39

that the light has come and

50:41

it's exposing and people love the

50:43

darkness rather than the light because

50:45

their works were evil for everyone

50:47

who does wicked things hates the

50:50

light and does not come to

50:52

the light. lest his works should

50:54

be exposed. But whoever does what

50:56

is true comes to the light,

50:58

so that it may be clearly

51:00

seeing that his works have been

51:02

carried out in God. So there's

51:04

the language of vocation, but to

51:06

get even more specific, what Paul

51:09

says, this is actually the vocation

51:11

of the church is to live

51:13

in the light. And listen to

51:15

the purpose that Paul says that

51:17

he says, I want you at

51:19

the church to do this. Ephesians

51:21

3.7 of this gospel I was

51:23

made a minister according to the

51:25

gift of God's grace which was

51:28

given to me by the working

51:30

of his power to me though

51:32

I am very least of all

51:34

the saints this grace was given

51:36

to preach to the Gentiles the

51:38

unsearchable riches of Christ here's the

51:40

language of light and to bring

51:42

to light for everyone what is

51:44

the plan of the mystery hidden

51:47

for the ages in God who

51:49

created all things so that through

51:51

the church or the church the

51:53

manifold with of God might be

51:55

made known to the rulers and

51:57

authority in the heavenly places. So

51:59

you think about a vocational calling.

52:01

If you want to elevate the

52:03

vocational calling of the church, according

52:06

to Paul here, it's not just

52:08

that we can get saved and

52:10

get out of hell free card

52:12

and go to heaven one day.

52:14

We actually have a vocation of

52:16

making known to the rulers and

52:18

the authorities in the heavenly places.

52:20

to make known to them the

52:22

manifold wisdom of God. So they

52:25

don't know how to your point,

52:27

but God is revealed it and

52:29

is rebuilding it progressively to the

52:31

church, who then makes that known

52:33

to that council, to that other

52:35

realm. And that's a wild thought.

52:37

Well, and just to clear that

52:39

up with what Jason was talking

52:42

about back in that vision and

52:44

first kings, it's not like it.

52:46

kind of get the picture like

52:48

oh well God doesn't really know

52:50

what's going to happen he's like

52:52

working it out but he already

52:54

knew everything because the prediction and

52:56

prophecy of Ahab's demise had already

52:58

been told much further back in

53:01

the privacy was the dogs this

53:03

is gross but this biblical the

53:05

dogs will lick up your blood

53:07

yeah out of the chariot and

53:09

so the rest of that story

53:11

that Jay's was telling there's you

53:13

know Ahab's riding way behind everybody

53:15

else in a chariot thinking he's

53:17

safe but one guy Let's go

53:20

one arrow and that thing goes

53:22

through the air and just happens

53:24

to find its way in between

53:26

his armor sheath Yes, so happens

53:28

just so happens and then look

53:30

he slumps over the chariot just

53:32

goes back to home base and

53:34

guess where home base was the

53:36

same place Jezebel fell out the

53:39

window and the dogs Did their

53:41

damage to her. So the prediction

53:43

had already been there your evil

53:45

deeds will find you out so

53:47

you know God knew but In

53:49

the workings of the heavenly hosts,

53:51

they were still working at that.

53:53

Well, yeah, let me add this

53:55

one thing to it, to tie

53:58

this back to it, to what

54:00

we started in Genesis 6. Genesis

54:02

11. If you think about what's

54:04

happening here in Ephesians 3, that

54:06

through the church the manifold wisdom

54:08

of God is is made known

54:10

to the rulers and authorities in

54:12

the heavenly places. This would be

54:14

the divine council and any anyone

54:17

in that round that guy created.

54:19

The church is making it. What's

54:21

he talking about here though? He's

54:23

talking about the Gentiles being included

54:25

into salvation with the Jews, into

54:27

the kingdom with the Jews. So

54:29

what he's, it's going all the

54:31

way back to Genesis chapter 11

54:34

when there was the dividing of

54:36

the nations, now all the nations

54:38

are coming back through Christ and

54:40

through the spirit, all the people

54:42

groups are coming back in. So

54:44

when Enti Wright talks about this

54:46

verse, he mentioned the word, the

54:48

manifold wisdom of God. He said

54:50

that's a good way to translate

54:53

that is that kind of the

54:55

colorful expression, kind of the beauty

54:57

of diversity in the kingdom, it's

54:59

all this colorful representation. of the

55:01

kingdom. And so I think it

55:03

is interesting that like whatever our

55:05

vocation is not simply the atonement

55:07

of our own personal sin, although

55:09

it is partly that it's also

55:12

that we are participating in the

55:14

kingdom as a whole, as a

55:16

people, as a group, as a

55:18

collection, as a collective, you know,

55:20

we're, this is happening together. And

55:22

so we get to participate in

55:24

something bigger than ourselves. And so

55:26

we get to I just, I

55:28

think that's so beautiful to think

55:31

that God has invited us into

55:33

his story in such a profound

55:35

way. Yeah, that's what I was

55:37

going to say. At the end

55:39

of the day, it goes back

55:41

about God being relational, which is

55:43

why he is three-dimensional. When you

55:45

trace that back and say, okay,

55:47

God wanted to use other beings,

55:50

he is relational. He creates them

55:52

in the celestial world and in

55:54

the humor world. And he uses...

55:56

those relationships to help promote his image. right. And so,

55:59

I mean, that's why I mean, that's

56:01

why Jesus came. he's why he's

56:03

saying this. He didn't come to

56:05

condemn the world to save save

56:07

it. this results in God dwelling

56:09

a with other beings in a

56:11

loving relationship. And we talk

56:13

about the eternal life experience. We

56:15

always relate to each other but

56:17

one of bodies, but one of

56:19

the benefits is going to be,

56:21

we're going to get to

56:23

meet all these beings. Oh, exactly. That's going to

56:25

be pretty... I mean, that's going to take up, you know,

56:27

pretty, a lot of times of times of

56:29

just meeting these other beings. these

56:31

other all right, we're out of

56:34

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