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I am unachamed. What

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about you? Welcome back to

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Unachamed. We've added my favorite

0:42

guest. on the Unashamed podcast,

0:44

my beautiful bride Lisa, welcome

0:46

to Unashamed. Thank you. One plus one

0:48

is one. That's exactly right. And synergy

0:50

makes it even better. So tell folks

0:52

how you're doing? Because a lot of

0:54

people have prayed for you last year.

0:57

I don't know when's the last time

0:59

you've been on, but it's been a minute,

1:01

but you're doing amazing. I am. I'm doing

1:03

so good. God's been so good to me

1:05

and gild my body and now I just,

1:07

you know, I'm doing so good that I'm going

1:09

to have to have to get on that diet

1:11

with you. Everyone is. How do you feel

1:14

without you? I mean, you got a

1:16

new husband. I mean, what's that? I

1:18

mean, he looks like a different man.

1:20

Can't take my hands off of him.

1:22

Oh, here we go. Oh, slow down.

1:24

I'm not. Does it bother me? This

1:26

is what married people do. So... Days

1:29

cleared it. They're all good. Well, people

1:31

say that they're like, you know, why

1:33

you talk about sex? And I was

1:35

like, God invented that. He's

1:37

the architect. as a pleasure for

1:39

us. Yeah, and as married couples. And

1:41

to and to feel the earth. Yeah,

1:44

that's how we all got here.

1:46

I mean, every one of this

1:48

got here. I think everyone needs

1:50

that reminder. Make a public service

1:52

announcement. Uh-huh. What I was going

1:55

to say, I'll tell you a

1:57

fascinating story about my childhood. Is

1:59

this... of my head because I

2:01

feel like I'm around people who

2:03

are shrink who are shrinking is

2:05

this a segue or this like

2:07

this is not a segue this

2:10

is all the time we're leaving

2:12

one area yeah we're going down

2:14

the last time the last time

2:16

I was conned I was nine

2:18

years old and I had

2:20

a doubt that I bet

2:23

you've probably been con since

2:25

then hear the story last

2:27

time that I knowingly was

2:29

conned Back in those days

2:31

we used to get mail

2:33

that had all these ads

2:35

and all and so Yeah,

2:37

I'm living out in the

2:39

middle of the woods with

2:41

my parents trying to find

2:43

themselves and So I saw

2:45

this ad on the back

2:47

and it was a shrinking

2:49

powder and the picture of

2:51

it was a boy Walking

2:53

down the street and he

2:55

had his parents and his

2:57

dog in his pocket So

3:00

I saved up $9.95 and

3:02

ordered a can of that

3:04

shrinking powder. But the image

3:06

was, you can make everyone

3:09

smaller? I just thought, boy,

3:11

this, I'm going to shrink

3:13

mom and dad and the

3:15

dollar shrinking everybody. But you

3:17

know what? It never came.

3:20

It never came it never

3:22

they didn't even send you

3:24

the time. I don't know

3:26

did it not work. It

3:29

never came. I sent 9.95

3:31

plus shipping and did you

3:33

sing cash? I don't

3:35

remember. He had to. Nine years

3:37

old. He didn't have a check.

3:39

If you sent cash, that might

3:42

be why. Remember I sent it

3:44

and I spent the next three

3:46

months going down there getting the

3:48

mail. Or maybe if you gave

3:50

it to Kaye, she might have

3:52

just sent you sent it and

3:54

get that money. That actually got

3:57

spent. There's a lot of money

3:59

when you were nine years old.

4:01

I mean, with inflation. Yeah, exactly.

4:03

So when y'all said that it

4:05

reminded me. It reminded of that

4:07

it was like everyone shrinking shrinking

4:09

shrinking around. of my life where

4:11

I really tried to purchase that

4:14

and be in control. Shrinking powder.

4:16

I was going to ask you

4:18

how did you go from what

4:20

we were talking about the shrinking

4:22

powder but now I'm glad you

4:24

you said. I see how you

4:26

made the leave. I say yeah

4:29

I was wondering how the mine

4:31

the chase works that that helps

4:33

me understand you more. They never

4:35

sent it. They just took the

4:37

money because I probably sent cash.

4:39

No mom got that she she

4:41

she blew it. That never... That

4:43

never got in the mail. But

4:46

there, I'm covering 10 bucks. Your

4:48

mother was the perpetrator of the

4:50

fraud, of the con job. Mom

4:52

never met a $10 bill, she

4:54

didn't lie. I'm going to have

4:56

to confess, we've been talking about

4:58

a light and darkness, and there's

5:01

a part of me when Jesus

5:03

comes back. And you know, there's

5:05

going to be a divide. You're

5:07

either. with the winning team or

5:09

the losing or not everybody gets

5:11

judged and I was gonna I

5:13

just part of me has thought

5:15

all right hey let's that's new

5:18

heaven new earth let's live and

5:20

it's like wait a minute I'd

5:22

like to know where that 995

5:24

where is where did it go

5:26

that dude let's see did he

5:28

make it did he repent yeah

5:30

exactly do you think your mom

5:33

could have potentially been the person

5:35

that took the money from me?

5:37

No, because I checked the mail

5:39

every day. I'm saying she could

5:41

have, no, I'm saying she could

5:43

have intercepted. No, I put it

5:45

in the mail. Oh, you did

5:47

it. Yeah. Well, I wasn't going

5:50

to tell them that I was

5:52

buying shrinking powder to shrink them

5:54

and put them in my pocket.

5:56

Because they were going in the

5:58

pocket. I wasn't trying to hurt

6:00

them. I just wanted to make

6:02

them a little bit smaller. It's

6:05

funny. I didn't know he had

6:07

grandiose schemes going to shrink the

6:09

entire family. He had a lot

6:11

working there, you know, in his

6:13

mind. the whole time. I just

6:15

thought he was a quiet kid.

6:17

I didn't know. Well, we're talking

6:19

about like these influences in the

6:22

demonic realm, you know, that are

6:24

working against humanity. I mean, I

6:26

have to think at nine years

6:28

old, there was some, not a

6:30

benevolent, Now he wanted to control

6:32

us. Yeah, this is diabolical. I'm

6:34

going to confess something. I can't

6:37

divulge what I'm fixing to divulge.

6:39

So I have to be careful.

6:41

We may have to edit this,

6:43

Mary. Eddie, get your finger on

6:45

the butt. I was reached out

6:47

to. There was kind of a

6:49

supernatural phenomenon going on. And through

6:51

a long process, I was contacted

6:54

to be a part of a

6:56

team that goes in and address

6:58

whether this is supernatural activity. And

7:00

now first y'all think of this

7:02

is crazy. I actually said, I

7:04

tell you what, give me the

7:06

dates because the person who contacted

7:09

me, he's a good friend of

7:11

mine and a believer. And so

7:13

I'm contemplating whether to do this

7:15

because they're going to film it.

7:17

And of course, they asked me

7:19

to pray for the, I guess

7:21

he said, well, I'll tell you

7:23

what he said. He's like, you're

7:26

one of the most spiritual people

7:28

I know. And I'm not sure

7:30

what I'm getting into, but will

7:32

you come? And you know, whatever

7:34

you wanted to pray for us,

7:36

talk to us about, you know,

7:38

the Bible, about, you know, what

7:41

this is. So I'm thinking about

7:43

doing that. What do you think?

7:45

I think you should. Yeah. It's

7:47

quite a few states away, but

7:49

I thought about it. I've been

7:51

contacted as a supernatural advisor. I've

7:53

been contacted as a supernatural advisor.

7:55

into something. You know what's happening?

7:58

We had those fuzzy creature guys

8:00

on and now that's piqued your

8:02

interest. That's what happens. Well that

8:04

didn't piques, they call me. I

8:06

keep... Every time I think I'm

8:08

like, they pull me back in.

8:10

We just had this conversation. I've

8:13

been studying about it because I

8:15

thought, well... worst case scenario if

8:17

there's nothing to it right you

8:19

know I can give him a

8:21

sermon for whatever production this is

8:23

and well it's like Smith used

8:25

to say when he told us

8:27

Jason says some things you just

8:30

take and put in your hmm

8:32

box yeah it could be something

8:34

for you and if you never

8:36

see me again now you know

8:38

what happened then we know what

8:40

happened you know what haven't someone's

8:42

pocket I gave them Jesus they

8:45

have a special set of skills

8:47

in military. We were going to

8:49

assume. I have a group of

8:51

men without letting somebody know. Not

8:53

that we're going to go after

8:55

you. If you don't return, we're

8:57

going to assume. I have a

8:59

group of men who I made

9:02

a deal with one time. I

9:04

gave them Jesus. They have a

9:06

special set of skills in military

9:08

warfare. We made an agreement. Like

9:10

if I ever get hung up.

9:12

somewhere they said, we'll come get

9:14

you. If I can just get

9:17

to them. Yeah, and those are

9:19

guys you want to know. And

9:21

a part of me, like, kind

9:23

of wants to, no, not too

9:25

dangerous, get into that situation just

9:27

to say, hey. Ride to the

9:29

rescue. I know some people with

9:31

some certain skills that are special.

9:34

It is nice to have some

9:36

friends that you could say. If

9:38

I could get a hold of

9:40

them, no matter where I'm out

9:42

in the world, I know that

9:44

they could come get me. All

9:46

right, what are we going to

9:49

talk about? So here's what we

9:51

got. So we had a plan

9:53

laid out. But we messed up.

9:55

Perfectly crafted plan. I went down

9:57

a rather room. I sabotaged the

9:59

last podcast because Al said the

10:01

only gun son... I was just

10:03

making the comment so I could

10:06

stick it in there and then

10:08

we wouldn't a whole podcast. But

10:10

that's a thing now. People want

10:12

to know about spiritual warfare. Love

10:14

your rabbitos. There's a lot of

10:16

verses in there. So I think

10:18

we did a pretty good job.

10:21

So Lisa we brought you on

10:23

specifically because we were thinking we

10:25

would get to John 4 which...

10:27

the woman at the well and

10:29

you and I have done some

10:31

teaching on this and I like

10:33

your insights on this woman because

10:35

you share some things with her

10:38

so we're gonna get there well

10:40

have an idea all right do

10:42

you want to do this section

10:44

first you want to do that

10:46

or do we want to let's

10:48

let's do woman at the well

10:50

all we'll just go back wait

10:53

a minute I have an idea

10:55

look so when we left off

10:57

the the the Back in of

10:59

chapter 3 and verse 19 through

11:01

21, I do think this goes

11:03

with The woman at the well.

11:05

Yeah, because I'm just gonna go

11:07

in through this out there I

11:10

think one of the biggest struggles

11:12

she had even though it's not

11:14

directly mentioned But once you understand

11:16

the context was shame. Yeah She

11:18

had she had been shame you

11:20

agree Oh, yeah, oh look at

11:22

this No, at least that's what

11:25

I talked about well because you

11:27

just when you understand the culture

11:29

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11:31

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better liver health today. What I

13:11

like about where you're going with

13:13

this and yeah we'll definitely transition

13:15

because we just got through talking

13:18

about Nicodemus he comes to Jesus

13:20

at night now we don't know

13:22

you know you can read too

13:24

much into that but the idea

13:26

was it was evident he didn't

13:28

I think he didn't want other

13:30

people to know he was checking

13:33

this guy out as he wasn't

13:35

sure about it. So he comes

13:37

at night basically where he's looking

13:39

around. He's got a reputation. He's

13:41

got a reputation. So then we

13:43

get into this light and dark,

13:45

but this woman to go ahead

13:47

and set the stage for you,

13:50

her deal is in the middle

13:52

of the day, but guess what?

13:54

She's still hiding. She comes in

13:56

the middle of the day because

13:58

that's when she can go when

14:00

other people are... Well that's why

14:02

I wanted to tie in John

14:05

3 19 through 21, because it

14:07

says this is the verdict, which

14:09

I never read last time. We

14:11

just left people and I know

14:13

just where the verdict is in

14:15

and guess what? Tune in And

14:17

next time, but this is next

14:19

time, light has come into the

14:22

world, but men love darkness instead

14:24

of light because their deeds were

14:26

evil. And obviously light is a

14:28

depiction of Jesus. But people love

14:30

darkness, which I think is a,

14:32

it's kind of a thought provoking,

14:34

provoking verse. Love was behind this,

14:37

but people love. Darkness. To me

14:39

that's such a transition, because it's

14:41

like for God so love and

14:43

world, oh it's so beautiful. But

14:45

guess what? People love darkness. They

14:47

love what's going out in the

14:49

world and love to participate. So

14:51

then it says everyone who does

14:54

evil hates the light and will

14:56

not come into the light for

14:58

fear that his deeds will be

15:00

exposed. But whoever lives by the

15:02

truth. comes into the light so

15:04

that it may be seen plainly

15:06

that what he has done has

15:09

been done through God. So obviously

15:11

that's gonna, we'll read the story,

15:13

but that's gonna translate over to

15:15

here's this woman, kind of going

15:17

out of time during the day

15:19

before we read it, where she

15:21

could be alone, and then all

15:23

of a sudden, she has this

15:26

encounter with Jesus. But what I

15:28

think is kind of, it's not

15:30

funny, but it's funny, but it's

15:32

funny, but it's funny to me.

15:34

It's like she is so transformed

15:36

in the moment, which is the

15:38

opposite of Nicodemus. He eventually comes

15:41

around later in this story. But

15:43

she pretty well went from being

15:45

filled with shame to going around

15:47

in public saying... He told me

15:49

everything I ever did. He told

15:51

me everything I ever did. And

15:53

it's like all the things you've

15:55

done is why you were filled

15:58

with shame and now she's going

16:00

around just announcing it to the

16:02

world. So how does that happen?

16:04

So, so before we read it,

16:06

babe, I want you to tell.

16:08

why you relate, because I think

16:10

Jason's right on the money before

16:13

we read the story, that how

16:15

you relate to her in this

16:17

idea of shame. Kind of where,

16:19

why does that resonate with you

16:21

so much in understanding that and

16:23

being in that place where you

16:25

felt so ashamed you couldn't get

16:27

to truth and couldn't get to

16:30

light? Well, and I think it's

16:32

because that's one of the things

16:34

that the evil one uses more

16:36

than anything is shame. and he

16:38

uses that because it works, I

16:40

guess, but you know, whenever you,

16:42

whenever you're growing up and different

16:45

things happen to you, you know,

16:47

especially as a child, you feel

16:49

as though those things are your

16:51

fault, even if somebody, you know,

16:53

takes advantage of you whenever you're

16:55

a child. But you still have

16:57

a, you have a sense of

16:59

guilt there because you feel like

17:02

it's your fault. And so then

17:04

you keep going through your life

17:06

and different things happen and it

17:08

plays back on that shame and

17:10

that guilt, you know, because Satan

17:12

keeps bringing that up. Well, you

17:14

know, you're not you're not any

17:17

good. You remember this happened to

17:19

you. So in my life, it

17:21

was, you know, sexual abuse as

17:23

a child. Then it was, you

17:25

know, bad choices that I made

17:27

as a teenager. having an abortion

17:29

again another darkness you're just that

17:31

is dark then you know you

17:34

get married and and you feel

17:36

as though maybe that's your saving

17:38

grace you know God has sent

17:40

you this person but nothing has

17:42

happened to that darkness that you've

17:44

been living with for your whole

17:46

life yeah and the darkness produces

17:49

shame All darkness produces shame. And

17:51

it's like it's a powerful force

17:53

that keeps pulling you back to

17:55

the darkness. Right, right. Every time

17:57

you can be getting bubbling towards

17:59

light, it's just like, no, we're

18:01

going to pull you back here

18:03

where it's nice. dark and comfortable

18:06

and that's the point. Well because

18:08

I think one reason is is

18:10

that we have encounters with people

18:12

but it takes an encounter with

18:14

God to change that and to

18:16

get rid of that shame. You

18:18

know I mean I'm in the

18:21

Robertson family and and I'm grateful

18:23

that God put me in this

18:25

family but I'm in the Robertson

18:27

family and so I've got all

18:29

the influences of all of y'all

18:31

of y'all of y'all. y'all's wives.

18:33

I mean, I've got all of

18:35

that to pull me out of

18:38

that, to pull me out of

18:40

that shame and that darkness. But

18:42

that's not what I needed because

18:44

I used you as my Savior

18:46

for a long time. But you

18:48

are not what could pull me

18:50

out of the shame and the

18:53

darkness. I had to have an

18:55

encounter with Christ. And I think

18:57

it's the same with this woman

18:59

at the well. She went at

19:01

high noon because nobody else is

19:03

going to go at high noon.

19:05

I mean, you know, it's the

19:07

worst time to go and get

19:10

water. And she went because she

19:12

knew that. She didn't want to

19:14

hear the whispers. She didn't want

19:16

people looking at her. But whenever

19:18

she went on this particular day,

19:20

what I love about this is

19:22

that is that Christ didn't go

19:25

to the well for water. He

19:27

went to the well for this

19:29

woman. Yeah, that is one of

19:31

the most incredible stories in the

19:33

Bible. It's only in John. Yeah.

19:35

And you know, he would later

19:37

say that, you know, everything Jesus

19:39

did was recorded, the world wouldn't

19:42

have enough books to hold them.

19:44

So there's a reason, I think

19:46

this story is special, that it

19:48

is shared. I mean, because the

19:50

overall theme I think is what

19:52

links God will go to to

19:54

save a person. I mean, this

19:57

is... She's from the wrong region,

19:59

you know, there's a verse, Jews

20:01

and Samaritans didn't associate. Then in

20:03

their culture, men don't talk alone

20:05

with women. Right. And to your

20:07

point, just reading the history of

20:09

this, because I really think that

20:11

contributes to understanding. So one of

20:14

the social places women would gather

20:16

up were these wells. Early in

20:18

the day, I mean, it was

20:20

kind of them. First thing in

20:22

the morning. Yeah, it was like

20:24

a small group of women. You

20:26

know, that's why she was here

20:29

by herself. Because of all those

20:31

qualities and her life was... just

20:33

a mess. Yeah, you know, and

20:35

even though she had been married,

20:37

what was it, five times? Yeah,

20:39

and she's now living with a

20:41

guy who she was married to.

20:43

Right, but in their culture, well,

20:46

the women weren't allowed to fall

20:48

for divorce. So she's basically been

20:50

called five times to go with

20:52

shame and you're just, because what

20:54

do you walk away from? Saying

20:56

that you're worthless and you keep

20:58

getting validated. You know, I don't

21:01

want you in my life, I

21:03

mean, five different times. So. Yeah,

21:05

it's just a cast-off. Yeah. Which

21:07

you said that before, you said,

21:09

yeah. Dad always had a say,

21:11

and boys, you need to convert

21:13

them or cull them. That's exactly.

21:15

And if they're not believers, at

21:18

least it's a, well, I didn't

21:20

want to get called. So, you

21:22

know, but unfortunately, she had the

21:24

wrong lord. That's right. Did you

21:26

recognize it as shame? Did you

21:28

even have a context for it?

21:30

Or was that something that had

21:33

to be brought out by the

21:35

Holy Spirit or just curious? I

21:37

don't think that I knew it

21:39

was shame. I think it was

21:41

the thought of not being good

21:43

enough and being damaged property, you

21:45

know, kind of like this woman.

21:47

But I don't really think that

21:50

I knew it was shame until...

21:52

until God revealed that. And a

21:54

lot of it was guilt, guilt

21:56

over all the many things that

21:58

I had done wrong. But the

22:00

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22:02

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22:05

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22:07

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24:01

that Al and Sachs sent you.

24:03

I was thinking about, was it

24:05

a event where a very intimate

24:07

gathering and there was a man

24:09

there who was probably in his

24:11

70s and he was a leader

24:13

in the church, had a very

24:15

prolific kind of like life. experience

24:17

behind him very well respected and

24:19

he felt compelled at this gathering

24:21

rat to share with the group

24:23

something that had happened him that

24:25

he had never shared with anybody

24:28

he said that he said I

24:30

didn't even tell my wife this

24:32

yet he said but I just

24:34

feel a conviction from the Holy

24:36

Spirit that I need to share

24:38

this and I need to unleash

24:40

this burden on me and uh...

24:42

And this was a very very

24:44

mature Christian and he said when

24:46

he was eight years he said

24:48

when I was eight years old

24:50

I was molested by a family

24:52

friend and I mean he's just

24:54

weeping this guy's a weeping and

24:56

I'm like and he said I've

24:58

carried this lie with me my

25:01

entire life that that was my

25:03

fault and that I was somehow

25:05

responsible for this abuse and and

25:07

like it was like at 72

25:09

years after walking with Christ all

25:11

these years having the Holy Spirit

25:13

and leading other people to Christ

25:15

There was a 72 years old,

25:17

he had this moment of like

25:19

transformation and healing and coming to

25:21

grips with that. And I just

25:23

think about the nature of shame

25:25

sometimes is it doesn't like manifest

25:27

itself as shame in terms of

25:29

our mind. But when the Holy

25:31

Spirit it allows us to name

25:34

it, then he can deal with

25:36

it. And I think that's what's

25:38

going to happen here in this

25:40

text. So we're about to get

25:42

it. We had a similar situation

25:44

where a woman. that had moved

25:46

to Alaska and she said the

25:48

reason I went to the most

25:50

remote place you can go to

25:52

the United States of America is

25:54

because I've been running my whole

25:56

life and she was 72 similar

25:58

age where you were talking about

26:00

it and she said when she

26:02

read our book and Lisa articulated

26:04

these years in her case, you

26:07

know, 15 years of our marriage,

26:09

but even the years for that,

26:11

of running and the shame and

26:13

how it was there, but finally

26:15

coming to that place, she said,

26:17

for the first time I realized

26:19

the why. And she was just

26:21

so both excited and then heart

26:23

sick at the same time that

26:25

it took that long to find

26:27

it. But she found it, which

26:29

was a blessing for us. And

26:31

I think that's why this story

26:33

resonates. I want to read it.

26:35

But I do want to mention

26:37

this, I think one of the

26:40

reasons why at least I resonate

26:42

so much to it, is Jesus

26:44

has six different times where he

26:46

engages her in this story. And

26:48

she deflects every time. Because she

26:50

deflects every time. Because she's still

26:52

trying to stay. She keeps changing

26:54

the stuff. She got all these

26:56

different ways she does it until

26:58

he finally appeals to her at

27:00

the very end. And she finally

27:02

breaks. But let me read it.

27:04

I'm going to start in verse

27:06

three. But in verse three of

27:08

chapter four, when the Lord learned

27:10

of this, he left Judea, went

27:13

back once more to Galilee. So

27:15

he's on the move. And I

27:17

will say this, normally every good

27:19

Jew went around some area. They

27:21

didn't go through some area because

27:23

there was a ton of history

27:25

here as to why. But it

27:27

says in verse four, he had

27:29

to go through some area. But

27:31

he didn't really, because everybody else

27:33

went around Sam. They wouldn't go

27:35

through Sam. But he had to

27:37

go through Sam. But he had

27:39

to go through there to Lisa's

27:41

point, because he had an appointment

27:43

to me. So he came to

27:46

a town in Samaria, called Sakar,

27:48

near the pot of ground that

27:50

Jacob had given to his son

27:52

Joseph. By the way, Joseph, his

27:54

bones were actually buried here at

27:56

the end of Joshua, Joshua, Joshua

27:58

24. So this is a very

28:00

sacred place to Jews. Jacob's well

28:02

was there. And Jesus, tired as

28:04

he was from the journey, sat

28:06

down by the well. It was

28:08

about the six hours. So it's

28:10

the middle of the day, as

28:12

we've already described, it's not really

28:14

when they would be there. Women

28:16

would be there drawing water. normally.

28:19

When a Samaritan woman came to

28:21

draw water, Jesus said to her,

28:23

big taboo, Jews don't talk to

28:25

Samaritans, will you give me a

28:27

drink? His disciples had gone into

28:29

the town to buy food. There's

28:31

John telling why they weren't there.

28:33

So now he's alone in talking

28:35

to this one, which is another

28:37

taboo. The Samaritan woman said to

28:39

him, you are a Jew. And

28:41

I'm a Samaritan woman, so she

28:43

calls out both reasons why he

28:45

shouldn't be talking to her. How

28:47

can you ask me for a

28:49

drink? And then John gives us

28:52

the thought for Jews to not

28:54

associate with Samaritans. And you know,

28:56

we could go into the history,

28:58

but it's a long history of

29:00

why they don't. Verse 10. Jesus

29:02

answered her. So there's the first

29:04

deflection, by the way. If you

29:06

knew the gift of God and

29:08

who it is that asked you

29:10

for a drink, you would have

29:12

asked him and he would have

29:14

given you living water, which that's

29:16

a mindblower. Sir, the woman said.

29:18

You have nothing to draw with

29:20

and the well is deep. Where

29:22

can you get this living water?

29:25

Are you greater than our father

29:27

Jacob who gave us the well

29:29

and drank from it himself? As

29:31

did also his sons and his

29:33

flocks and herds? So there's another

29:35

deflection back to what she had

29:37

brought up earlier about Jacob. Jesus

29:39

answered, everyone who drinks this water

29:41

will be thirsty again, but whoever

29:43

drinks the water I give him

29:45

will never thirst. Indeed, here's the

29:47

money statement, indeed the water I

29:49

give him will become in him

29:51

a spring of water welling up

29:53

to eternal life. The woman said

29:55

to him, sir, give me this

29:58

water that I won't get thirsty

30:00

and have to keep coming here

30:02

to draw water. Again, she's back

30:04

in the natural. She just ignores

30:06

really the depth of what he

30:08

said. He said, so now Jesus

30:10

changed his tactics. He told her,

30:12

well, go call your husband. Come

30:14

back. Which seems random, but now

30:16

we're getting into the kitchen here.

30:18

I have no husband she replied

30:20

now he's fixing blow her mind.

30:22

Jesus said you're right when you

30:24

say you have no husband fact

30:26

is you've had five husbands and

30:28

the man you now have is

30:31

not your husband's what you have

30:33

said just that is quite true

30:35

it's and I don't know if

30:37

that's almost like a tongue-in-cheek response

30:39

like yeah you're telling the truth

30:41

because you're you're finally now admitting

30:43

where you are sir I can

30:45

see you're a prophet Our father's

30:47

worshipped on this mountain, but you

30:49

Jews claim that the place where

30:51

we must worship is in Jerusalem.

30:53

Just think about it about how

30:55

the shame works. He just told

30:57

her about why she's there at

30:59

noon and not associate with anybody

31:01

else. And the first thing she

31:04

goes into is a deep theological

31:06

question. Well, and a place, which

31:08

I think is going back to

31:10

John too, when they were talking

31:12

about the temple. And he was

31:14

like, it's a person. You kill

31:16

this and I'll raise it up

31:18

in three days. So I think

31:20

that's why it's in here. Another

31:22

deflection. So verse 21, Jesus says,

31:24

believe me, woman, a time is

31:26

coming and will you worship the

31:28

Father neither on this mountain nor

31:30

in Jerusalem. By the way, this

31:32

is a huge revelation that this

31:34

is being made to this marital

31:37

woman. He hadn't said this yet.

31:39

It's not a place. That's right,

31:41

basically. You Samaritans worship what you

31:43

do not know. We worship what

31:45

we do know for salvation is

31:47

from the Jews. Yet a time

31:49

is coming and has now come

31:51

when the true worshippers will worship

31:53

the father in spirit and truth,

31:55

for they are the kind of

31:57

worshippers the father seeks. God is

31:59

spirit and his worshippers must worship

32:01

in spirit and in truth. Huge

32:03

statement. Now the woman now who

32:05

is the woman says well I

32:07

know that Messiah call Christ is

32:10

coming and when he comes he

32:12

will explain. everything that does. There's

32:14

another deflection, by the way, because

32:16

she's like, well, yeah, somebody's gonna

32:18

explain it. Let's procrastinate this. Yeah,

32:20

let's just push it down. I

32:22

think it's not, she's not acknowledging

32:24

that it's him. Exactly. And then

32:26

he says, he drops the mic

32:28

right here, I who speak to

32:30

you, MP. I'll look the Greek

32:32

up, you know what it says

32:34

there? What? He just says, I

32:36

am. But you know it's interesting

32:38

as you're reading that I was

32:40

thinking of and Jason was talking

32:43

about it's not a place it's

32:45

not a place which I totally

32:47

agree because the question here she's

32:49

asking is where is the place

32:51

where we go to worship which

32:53

kind of corresponds to where is

32:55

the place we go to get

32:57

water and and like we go

32:59

we get our fill at the

33:01

temple then we come we come

33:03

home and then our our spiritual

33:05

water gets low so we go

33:07

back to the temple and it's

33:09

like this this continual back and

33:11

forth and he's like no I'm

33:13

gonna like, God's doing something new

33:16

here. He's actually gonna live inside

33:18

people and going back to, you

33:20

know, he didn't quite say it

33:22

like that, but that is what

33:24

he was saying. Yeah. I mean,

33:26

it's, it's, well, what, what, Lisa

33:28

was talking about, think about Lisa

33:30

when you were, like, when you're

33:32

dealing with your shame in that

33:34

moment, like, like, if you were

33:36

to, like, push that out, it's

33:38

the opposite of being one with

33:40

God, it was, like, like, hiding.

33:42

That's how shame kind of manifested

33:44

itself. I mean, I'm assuming that

33:46

was how you felt like you

33:49

didn't want to be known, right?

33:51

You didn't want, because like what

33:53

they'll say, I'd never heard that

33:55

part of the story, but either

33:57

call them or convert them. So

33:59

you're, now you're having to hide

34:01

because you're like, I don't want

34:03

to get called. What was that

34:05

like just living in a constant

34:07

state hiding? Well, that was the,

34:09

the two lives that were trying

34:11

to, that I was trying to

34:13

live at once. What is it

34:15

Al you say you're a double

34:17

secret agent sitting on the but

34:19

I think that's where the love

34:22

of darkness comes in because then

34:24

all of a sudden you kind

34:26

of you it's like what did

34:28

the Morgan Freeman and the Shawshank

34:30

redemption he was like telling I

34:32

don't remember that's off top my

34:34

head but Mary was telling about

34:36

the prison where first you're scared

34:38

and you try to get out

34:40

of you know but it's like

34:42

then these walls start to become

34:44

your security yeah he's like then

34:46

you depend on you depend on

34:48

those walls it's like you actually

34:50

Love them at some point that's

34:52

right and and that's the disturbing

34:55

part of our condition I've heard

34:57

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34:59

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36:46

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36:48

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36:50

you know and he has that

36:52

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36:54

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36:56

bagging groceries and he says hey

36:58

boss can I go to the

37:00

bathroom the guy says You don't

37:02

have to keep asking me. And

37:04

then he does this voice already

37:07

says, for 48 years, I couldn't

37:09

go to the bathroom without being

37:11

told when to go. He said,

37:13

now not a drop, unless I'm

37:15

told. And it was just that

37:17

idea of being forced into that

37:19

place. That's a great analogy. Yeah,

37:21

you become a slave. You become

37:23

enslaved to what has been done

37:25

to you and how you responded

37:27

to it. I mean, I like

37:29

how you depicted that you had

37:31

something that happened. Somebody else's sin

37:33

affected you. So what are you

37:35

going to do about it? And

37:37

now, whether you just compounded it.

37:40

I think you continue to live

37:42

in the darkness because of the

37:44

guilt and because if you ever

37:46

told somebody exactly where you have

37:48

been, you're afraid of what their

37:50

response will be. I don't know

37:52

that anybody continually loves to live

37:54

in darkness. I think it's the

37:56

fear of the light shining on

37:58

them so that everybody can see.

38:00

Yeah, that's what is in their

38:02

life. That's exactly right. That's why

38:04

I said she for her to

38:06

have this transition so quickly. Because

38:08

she wasn't going around. She was

38:10

saying he told me everything I

38:13

ever did. Because that was still

38:15

her perspective. Which he didn't tell

38:17

her everything she ever did. He

38:19

only told her about her sexual

38:21

sins. But he, I mean, she

38:23

concluded. He knows me. That's right.

38:25

Which is why I think he

38:27

brought up that about we, you

38:29

know, you, when he says you

38:31

worship what you do not know.

38:33

Yeah. Because they were all in

38:35

the place. of it all I

38:37

mean I did a little rabbit

38:39

hole search of these places what

38:41

I found fascinating was that Jacobs

38:43

well is still over there yeah

38:46

they've built a church bell no

38:48

I'm like have you read John

38:50

for I'm all for keeping the

38:52

well and look I know a

38:54

lot of people that have gone

38:56

and visited it when I was

38:58

in Israel I didn't go because

39:00

it's kind of on the wrong

39:02

side of the track and I

39:04

mean if you go visit it

39:06

they recommend security but I saw

39:08

a picture of it and I

39:10

thought it was fascinating But so

39:12

when you go back to the

39:14

Old Testament history, that's what they

39:16

thought I mean they and and

39:19

people still The last remaining Samaritans

39:21

they still worship on this mount

39:23

today. They have festivals there whatever's

39:25

called? Starts with a gee This

39:27

mountain that she was referring to

39:29

when she said uh oh yeah

39:31

garism yeah And when you go

39:33

back and you remember Jacob's latter,

39:35

which they called Bethel, which they

39:37

believe Bethel is in a different

39:39

place because Abraham got the promise

39:41

there. So they're going back to

39:43

this location, which is really what

39:45

Jesus is making a transition to.

39:47

But I wanted to say this

39:49

also. And we didn't read the

39:52

rest of the story because that

39:54

really wasn't where it ended. The

39:56

disciples come back from town and

39:58

they're like, they're like, you know,

40:00

Rabbi, you need to eat something

40:02

and then he gets into this

40:04

about the food. I have food

40:06

to eat that you know nothing

40:08

about, which kind of goes in

40:10

with the living water. And then

40:12

this woman, she goes out telling

40:14

everybody in that last little paragraph

40:16

says, many of the Samaritans in

40:18

verse 39. from that town believed

40:20

in him because of the woman's

40:22

testimony, which there it is again.

40:25

He told me everything I ever

40:27

did. And so then the Samaritans

40:29

came to him. Which is a

40:31

key phrase and he stayed two

40:33

days and because of his words

40:35

many more became believers They said

40:37

to the woman we no longer

40:39

believe just because of what you

40:41

said which was he told me

40:43

everything ever did Now we have

40:45

heard for ourselves and we know

40:47

that this man really is the

40:49

Savior of the world. Here's what

40:51

I found fascinating if you go

40:53

back to the beginning of the

40:55

story And because I believe this

40:58

is a very clever way of

41:00

John describing how all people view

41:02

Jesus. And if you look at

41:04

the titles, this is really fascinating.

41:06

It starts off with her thinking

41:08

he's just a Jew, because in

41:10

49, yeah, she said, the Samaritan

41:12

said, you're a Jew. And I'm

41:14

a Samaritan. Well, well, you're... You

41:16

can't be talking to me. That's

41:18

where it's starting. He's just a,

41:20

he's just a, gee, who's acting,

41:22

he's not acting appropriately by talking

41:24

to me in the middle of

41:26

the day alone, you know, and

41:28

especially since he claims to be

41:31

some kind of spiritual figure. Well,

41:33

look, then, now his little comments

41:35

made her then escalate it to

41:37

sir, which I found this fascinating.

41:39

She calls him, sir, in 11.

41:41

15 and 19. So now he's

41:43

not just a Jew, but there's

41:45

a little authority which every other

41:47

time this word is translated in

41:49

the New Testament, I think, but

41:51

one, it's Lord. So it's an

41:53

authority, a respectful. So we went

41:55

from just a Jew to sir.

41:57

Well then, when the confrontation happens,

41:59

which we didn't talk about, but

42:01

it was a confrontation. Because at

42:04

this point, everything's beautiful. When he

42:06

says that everyone who drinks the

42:08

water will be... drinks this water

42:10

will be thirsty again but whoever

42:12

drinks the water I give him

42:14

will never thirst indeed the water

42:16

I give will be come a

42:18

spring of water welling up to

42:20

eternal life. I mean this is

42:22

love is in the air. Love

42:24

is in bloom. Beautiful. And then

42:26

when the woman said, sir, give

42:28

me this water, you know, so

42:30

that I won't get thirsty and

42:32

have to keep coming here and

42:34

then go call your husband and

42:37

come back. She's like, oh no.

42:39

Really, that's what happened. Because it's

42:41

a confrontation without condemning. But he

42:43

confronted her life cleverly because then

42:45

he says, you know, I have

42:47

no husband, you're right. But then

42:49

watch what she says. Well, I

42:51

can see you're a prophet. So

42:53

now we've gone from just to

42:55

you to sir, someone that I

42:57

need to respect. Well, now you're

42:59

a prophet. So you continue on

43:01

with the titles and then she

43:03

brings up in 425. Well, I

43:05

know that there is a Messiah

43:07

called Christ as coming when he

43:10

comes. So that word dropped out,

43:12

but she's still not directing it

43:14

toward him. Well, I know there

43:16

was supposed to be a Messiah

43:18

and then in verse, that's 25

43:20

and then 29. Watch this when

43:22

she said come see a man

43:24

who told me everything I ever

43:26

did Could this be the Christ

43:28

now she didn't just but we've

43:30

escalated again. We've gone from a

43:32

Jew to serve to a prophet

43:34

now Maybe the Christ and then

43:36

I think when the disciples come

43:38

in this is interesting. That's why

43:40

I read that. Well, they're calling

43:43

him teacher, which they said rabbi

43:45

Which is still He is a

43:47

great teacher But where it ends

43:49

and the reason I read it

43:51

says when they said he's he

43:53

is the Savior of the world

43:55

and I think that transition to

43:57

us individually and collectively is really

43:59

what this is about. It's like

44:01

he's the Savior of the world.

44:03

Yes, he's the Christ. Yes, he's

44:05

a great teacher. Yes, he is

44:07

Lord. Yes, he was a Jew.

44:09

He was a human. And when

44:11

I noticed that I just thought,

44:13

man, that's awesome. But she had

44:16

to have had a great hope

44:18

that he was the Messiah because...

44:20

She went back to town and

44:22

instead of going into her home

44:24

where nobody can see her, whisper

44:26

about her, she goes out and

44:28

tells everybody in the whole town.

44:30

Well, it freed her, you know.

44:32

I think somebody. So she has

44:34

a hope that he's a Messiah.

44:36

Yeah, and a respectful figure had

44:38

actually engaged her, loved her, and...

44:40

I think that just transformed her.

44:42

Just think how lonely she was,

44:44

think how shameful she was. And

44:46

here's, even though there was a

44:49

confrontation, you know. But there was

44:51

also, going back to Zach, to

44:53

the guy that you were talking

44:55

about. So whenever he voiced what

44:57

happened to him out loud and

44:59

to another person, I believe that's

45:01

whenever. the release of the shame.

45:03

That's whenever he was released of

45:05

that shame because he could actually

45:07

voice that to another person. So

45:09

this woman here, so she says,

45:11

I have no husband, then he

45:13

tells her, well, you're right, you

45:15

don't, you've had five. Yeah. Well,

45:17

and the one you got now

45:20

is not your husband. So she

45:22

says, well, you're right. What so

45:24

she so she's confessing. So she

45:26

there has to be a confession.

45:28

This shame and guilt can be

45:30

released. story and really Jesus's story

45:32

as it's lived out through us

45:34

and so many times I've heard

45:36

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45:38

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45:40

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45:42

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45:44

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that was her. She confessed it

47:11

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47:13

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47:15

It's a faith moment. That's exactly

47:17

right. So she, what happened to

47:19

her was she was thinking, this.

47:21

This could be the Christ. I've

47:23

got to go back and tell

47:25

everybody. I mean, you know, I've

47:27

got to tell people because the

47:29

shame was gone then, that darkness

47:32

that had overtaken her for all

47:34

those years, was now gone and

47:36

she was able to go in

47:38

and talk to people that she

47:40

had never been able to face

47:42

out-to-eye before. And she was finally

47:44

there. Same thing with the guy

47:46

you're talking about, Zach. Whenever he

47:48

was finally able to confess. What

47:50

had happened to him, even though

47:52

it was not his fault, whenever

47:54

he was able to confess it,

47:56

that's when God released that shame

47:58

and that guilt in his life.

48:00

It's when God released it in

48:02

my life, whenever I was able

48:05

to tell Alan, because I had

48:07

never told another person in my

48:09

whole life, all the things that

48:11

had gone on, whenever I had

48:13

that truth vomit and I shared

48:15

that with Alan in our bathroom

48:17

that night. That's when the darkness

48:19

left. That's when the shame was

48:21

gone and the guilt was gone

48:23

because that's what Christ does. He

48:25

takes that away. Yeah. And I

48:27

then had hope. Now I was

48:29

not, I didn't know what was

48:31

going to happen, but I had

48:33

hope. And any time there's just

48:35

a sliver of hope. Christ takes

48:38

it and runs with it. And

48:40

Lisa tells it when she went

48:42

out behind her house and her

48:44

temple moment was just laying out

48:46

on the grass behind her house.

48:48

It wasn't a church building. It

48:50

wasn't a temple. It was just

48:52

her and the Almighty and something

48:54

changed that night. And so for

48:56

25 years this woman has been

48:58

going to Samaritan villages all around

49:00

America. sharing what God has done.

49:02

And then when I watched the

49:04

results of that, we just watched

49:06

a couple get up at our

49:08

marriage refresh a month ago, and

49:11

I mentioned him because the blind

49:13

had such an impact on his

49:15

life. And so they were telling

49:17

what God had done, and he

49:19

got to this point in their

49:21

story, and they're telling it. And

49:23

he just, you could see him,

49:25

couldn't he, baby? He just physically...

49:27

just because it was this last

49:29

bit of shame he had been

49:31

holding on to he just hadn't

49:33

released it and then he told

49:35

it and it was a porn.

49:37

He pulled his hat down. Pull

49:39

his hat down low. Nobody could

49:41

see his eyes. He was like

49:44

looking down and you could we

49:46

were physically watching this man with

49:48

we were physically watching this man

49:50

with that's last bit this man

49:52

with that's last bit of shame

49:54

and then he talked about how

49:56

that porn had damaged him and

49:58

his his his wife and his

50:00

wife and his wife and his

50:02

marriage he said He's never said

50:04

that in public before. And then

50:06

she looked at him and she

50:08

said, I'm so proud of you.

50:10

Now, I mean, we're all in

50:12

tears because I'm watching this on

50:14

phone. I thought, you know, that

50:17

was the last grip the evil

50:19

one has had on this man

50:21

to keep him from being all

50:23

he needed to be. And then

50:25

we literally got to watch it

50:27

like, you know, poor eye. We've

50:29

seen that many times in the

50:31

past. People just bearing their soul.

50:33

And a lot of times it's

50:35

just individuals. It's like a dam,

50:37

you know, with all this water

50:39

of pain and shame behind it.

50:41

If you just, you said a

50:43

sliver of hope, the way I

50:45

see it, Lisa, is it's, it's

50:47

a prick in the dam as

50:50

a sliver of hope. And once

50:52

you prick that, then that it's

50:54

like the tidal wave can come.

50:56

And there could, because you think

50:58

about in John 3, verse 36,

51:00

which is the last verse in

51:02

John 3, right before we move

51:04

into this story. He says, whoever

51:06

believes in the sun has eternal

51:08

life. It is to say we

51:10

will have eternal life. He says

51:12

has eternal life like it's something

51:14

that we possess actively now Whoever

51:16

does not obey the sun shall

51:18

not see life But the wrath

51:20

of God remains on him and

51:23

I think that term wrath is

51:25

more of a passive wrath of

51:27

guy kind of like that Romans

51:29

passage where it says that God

51:31

gave them over to themselves to

51:33

do what ought not to be

51:35

done So that his wrath is

51:37

just like like leaving you to

51:39

do your own vices to do

51:41

what you want to do and

51:43

and then the opposite of that

51:45

is to be an obedience to

51:47

him. So I think this moment

51:49

going into the woman at the

51:51

well is so pivotal because if

51:53

If you think about your story,

51:56

Lisa, of hiding, even when I

51:58

was asking you about your experience,

52:00

I was kind of like, well,

52:02

but this is all of our

52:04

experience. So like your story may

52:06

have gone a little deeper in

52:08

some areas, but I didn't have

52:10

a lot of things happen to

52:12

me that happened to you, but

52:14

my story is very similar in

52:16

that I have hid and I

52:18

don't want to be exposed. I

52:20

don't want someone to read my

52:22

mail. like Jesus read this woman's

52:24

mail. I mean he read her

52:26

mail. He like literally got in

52:29

her mail box pulled it out

52:31

and said that actually you've been

52:33

married five times. And the guy

52:35

you live with now is not

52:37

your husband. And she's like, whoa,

52:39

okay, you must be a prophet.

52:41

He ends up telling her I'm

52:43

a whole lot more in a

52:45

profit. Well, he brought her some

52:47

truth. Mm-hmm. And I think that's

52:49

used it. And even. realize that

52:51

is a legitimate place anyways, but

52:53

even in Jesus' statement, you guys

52:55

worship what you don't know, we

52:57

worship what we do know for

52:59

salvation is from the Jews, and

53:02

then there's a three-letter word that

53:04

comes right after that, but, yeah,

53:06

I mean, but both of those

53:08

contacts, he said, but now something

53:10

new is happening, God's bringing intimacy

53:12

to earth, to people. Now he's

53:14

really going to show us what

53:16

worship truly looks like and what

53:18

true worship is. It's it's born

53:20

out of a repent heart. It's

53:22

God coming back in its connection.

53:24

It's being known and knowing. And

53:26

that's the thing I think that

53:28

that's our trajectory as Christians now

53:30

is a it's a journey of

53:32

becoming known and understanding that and

53:35

you guys have coined this phrase.

53:37

I think he coined it. I've

53:39

said it a thousand times to

53:41

me. We're going to detonate our

53:43

own time bomb. Yeah. And when

53:45

you think about it, how many

53:47

people have you talked to that

53:49

try to do just with this

53:51

woman yet? They're confronted with who

53:53

they are to Jesus and they

53:55

say, you know, I gotta get

53:57

back in. church or whatever, whatever,

53:59

my Bible. Well, but people believe

54:01

in a lie that if they

54:03

know what I did, nobody would

54:05

talk to me. Right. Well, here's

54:08

the creator of the world who

54:10

obviously knows everything she's done and

54:12

is having a conversation with her,

54:14

which I think echoes what we

54:16

read in John 3 when he

54:18

said, God didn't send his son

54:20

into the world to condemn the

54:22

world. I mean, if he was

54:24

ever going to condemn somebody. She's

54:26

got quite a few strikes here,

54:28

but he sent his son to

54:30

save the world and whoever believes

54:32

in him is not condemned. So

54:34

of all the people you can

54:36

have a conversation with and know

54:38

everything that you've ever done and

54:41

is still willing to have a

54:43

creation. I mean, to have a

54:45

conversation. You talking to the creator

54:47

of the world, because we all

54:49

tend to be earthly in that

54:51

God's a million miles away. He

54:53

doesn't know what I'm doing, because

54:55

I don't believe he's there. And

54:57

I think that's why it is

54:59

about a person and he has

55:01

the conversation. Let me say it's

55:03

one thing, because it is a

55:05

lie. It's a lie. And even

55:07

when Lisa, when you were telling

55:09

your story, I thought, that's a

55:11

lie. Think about the absurdity of

55:14

the lie that you believe that

55:16

you were afraid that if you

55:18

were to let yourself be known

55:20

by Phil that you would be

55:22

cold, well, I'm like, I could

55:24

have just let you watch the

55:26

blind and you would have seen

55:28

this guy with the choir boy.

55:30

Like, like, I mean, like, but

55:32

the, you, in that setting, you

55:34

thought, I can't be known here.

55:36

But if you look at the

55:38

setting of who you were afraid

55:40

to be known by, he was

55:42

probably worse than you were. Yeah.

55:44

And I think that's the interesting

55:47

thing about how the, the devil,

55:49

that's what he says. I want

55:51

you to hide. I don't want

55:53

you to be known. Keep that

55:55

a secret. Don't tell anybody if

55:57

they knew you, you knew you,

55:59

you knew. I think that the

56:01

Lord is just like, let me

56:03

just take that away. Just open

56:05

it up, be known, I'm going

56:07

to be present even in your

56:09

depression. I'm present by your enemies,

56:11

I died for you. Which is

56:13

the ultimate hour. We're almost out

56:15

of time. We used to bring

56:17

it out. Yeah, so I think

56:20

compassion, the best thing for us

56:22

to do in our daily life

56:24

whenever we are helping other people

56:26

is to show Christ's compassion. He

56:28

did not say to this woman,

56:30

you know, he didn't, he, he

56:32

didn't condemn her, he didn't say,

56:34

well, you know, you prostitute, you,

56:36

you know, but he didn't call

56:38

her that. He told her what

56:40

she did, and then he told

56:42

her, I can give you living

56:44

water. I can be the person.

56:46

I can be the thing that

56:48

you're looking for. So I think

56:50

the most important thing for us

56:53

to do every day is to

56:55

show that same compassion to other

56:57

people, especially in their darkness. Yeah,

56:59

that's a good point. I want

57:01

to read this. This is Galatians

57:03

4, verse 8. And Paul says,

57:05

formerly when you did not know

57:07

God, you were slaves to those

57:09

who by nature are not God's

57:11

little Gee. But now that you

57:13

know God, and then I love

57:15

this little dash, or rather are

57:17

known by God, how is it

57:19

that you are turning back to

57:21

those weak and miserable principles? It's

57:23

an ongoing, yeah, thank God knows

57:26

us, deal with it. in a

57:28

positive. He knows our name. Well,

57:30

we only scratched the surface. Our

57:32

brother-in-law Tony Thomas has drawn, has

57:34

painted a picture of Jesus and

57:36

the woman at the well. So

57:38

check his, I think it's Tony

57:40

Thomas art.com. So check that out.

57:42

But anyway, at least the thanks

57:44

for coming on. Sure. I wish

57:46

we'd had more time, but we

57:48

scratched the surface of this great

57:50

story. We'll pick it up next

57:52

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