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1:01

running. on a change. What

1:03

about you? Maybe that's your

1:05

problem while you're going blind and

1:08

you don't feel. We had an

1:10

interesting... Boy, during the in-between these

1:12

two episodes. Zach dropped a word

1:14

that I was not familiar with.

1:16

I had to look it up.

1:18

It's still on my computer screen.

1:20

Intropy. Intropy. Yeah. So then

1:22

I read the definition, which I

1:24

was more confused than when I started.

1:26

Well, tell them the context of how

1:29

I said it. I think that'll help.

1:31

Well I don't remember what you said.

1:33

We said we were talking about.

1:35

You were stretching. Vision law. We were

1:38

talking about age. And I said

1:40

the one thing that we, none of

1:42

us are gonna escape is entropy. Yeah.

1:44

So you said that and all of

1:46

a sudden I thought I can't escape something

1:49

that I don't know what it

1:51

is. So that's why I couldn't

1:54

escape because someone would say you're

1:56

struggling with entropy.

1:58

I would say what you call.

2:00

started because Zach couldn't read the

2:02

ads because he can't see now

2:04

and so Maddie who's like 21

2:06

years old or whatever she is

2:08

she 23 years old she's like

2:10

just make a bigger font like

2:12

she has no patience with our

2:14

old man-isms And so she's telling

2:16

that just make your font bigger

2:18

read and then Zach's stretching during

2:21

the break in between. I was

2:23

like, who stretches for a podcast?

2:25

Let's do a test. Yeah, he

2:27

was actually literally stretching. I'm watching

2:29

him on camera. I was like,

2:31

who stretches for a podcast? When

2:33

you're stretching so that you can

2:35

sit down for an hour. Zach,

2:37

how many fingers on my whole?

2:39

I can say you got two.

2:41

I thought they increased the screen

2:43

size. So I read the second

2:45

definition, which it. I missed one

2:47

word that said physics. Why didn't

2:49

you just say that? Physics. Physics.

2:51

It's all physics. It's all physics.

2:53

Physically. Yeah, over time. We're going

2:55

downhill. We go down. And we're

2:57

doing this on purpose because it

2:59

does kind of lead into what

3:02

we're going to talk about today.

3:04

But I'll read the definition for

3:06

the people who listen to Jason's

3:08

redneck logic. It is a lack

3:10

of order or predictability. gradual decline

3:12

into disorder. So the body, that's

3:14

what happens. Yeah. So. Yeah, another

3:16

way of saying it is that

3:18

things tear up over time. Yeah,

3:20

well, exactly. They just, but you

3:22

know, it's interesting about this word

3:24

entropy. The reason why I use

3:26

it a lot is probably about

3:28

20 years ago, when I got

3:30

into apologetics, one of the writers

3:32

I was reading about. was using

3:34

this, it's a scientific fact, I

3:36

mean it's a law of the

3:38

universe, it's actually the second law

3:40

of thermodynamics, which is about heat

3:43

and matter and you know thermo

3:45

heat, but imagine the universe and

3:47

every star in the universe is

3:49

like a campfire. And with any

3:51

campfire, if you sit around it

3:53

long enough and you don't add

3:55

wood to it, what happens to

3:57

it? Burns out. It burns out.

3:59

So that's entropy that over it.

4:01

What it's trying to do is

4:03

the campfire is trying to get

4:05

to the same temperature as everything

4:07

around it, which is called equilibrium.

4:09

And so the philosophers looked at

4:11

this and they said, you know.

4:13

The past has to have a

4:15

beginning. Genesis 1 has to be

4:17

the Christian philosophers have said this,

4:19

that the Genesis 1 has to

4:21

be true, because the past has

4:24

to have a beginning. It can't

4:26

be like this eternal regression of

4:28

there has to be a beginning

4:30

to all this because of the

4:32

second law of thermodynamics. Because given

4:34

enough time, every fire in the

4:36

universe will eventually burn out. But

4:38

they're clearly not burned out because

4:40

we still have the sun that

4:42

gives us heat and a lot

4:44

of other stars as well, which

4:46

means that we haven't been here

4:48

for an infinite amount of time.

4:50

Because if we had been, there

4:52

wouldn't be any heat left. And

4:54

so we actually can look at

4:56

entropy as a tremendous example and

4:58

evidence for the existence of the

5:00

true claims of the Bible because

5:02

it points to the fact that

5:05

the universe began to exist. That

5:07

hasn't always been here. Do you

5:09

mean translate that for you? Yeah,

5:11

can you translate it? No, I'm

5:13

going to give you the translation

5:15

for all the simple-minded people out

5:17

there. Someone started the fire. That's

5:19

number one. That's it. Number two,

5:21

there are humans who sit around

5:23

a fire and then there are

5:25

humans that go get something to

5:27

put on the fire. That would

5:29

be my count while you're sitting.

5:31

before you do some stretching so

5:33

you can sit around the fire.

5:35

You're gonna bring you're gonna bring

5:37

some some duck and deer and

5:39

some something to roast over the

5:41

fire. You know, yeah, I got

5:43

that from Jesus, you know, post-reservation.

5:46

It takes all kind of people

5:48

that we need, we ought, we

5:50

need each other. You know, I

5:52

mean, I don't know about the

5:54

first, what was one of the

5:56

first? Jesus did post resurrection. He

5:58

ate. He started a fire. Hard

6:00

a fire. Oh. The fire came

6:02

first. The fire came first. And

6:04

we've been on fire ever since.

6:06

You know why he did that?

6:08

Crickets. Because he could. Because he

6:10

could. It's always a good answer.

6:12

He may have just touched it.

6:14

He may have just touched it.

6:16

We don't know that. Ed men

6:18

don't start fires, Zach. That's where

6:20

I'm going. They don't do that.

6:22

They don't eat feast either. So

6:24

Zach, when you were saying that,

6:27

it took me back to, you

6:29

remember the, I think it was

6:31

for this podcast, but now that

6:33

I'm sitting there, I'm not sure

6:35

if it was that or in

6:37

the woods of Phil. One of

6:39

the two kickoffs you filmed a

6:41

video. But dad in the woods

6:43

was that for in the woods

6:45

with Phil when yeah, that was

6:47

our first yeah, I remember that

6:49

Yeah, it was like it was

6:51

like a thing we put out

6:53

there to like draw people's attention

6:55

and it was a fire He

6:57

started this fire in the wood.

6:59

It was a beautifully done the

7:01

guy that was our cinematographer back

7:03

then Worked on the movie that

7:05

we did which was called torchbearer

7:08

Casey yeah Casey and it was

7:10

a beautiful shot of dad in

7:12

the woods. It was a night

7:14

and this fire is just rolling,

7:16

you know, and it starts, remember

7:18

that? Zag, it started in the

7:20

woods of fields, really. I tried

7:22

to think of what he said,

7:24

it was. Oh, it was classic

7:26

dad. Yeah, well, uh, was that

7:28

we said on the last podcast,

7:30

we'd say what Zag did when

7:32

he came here, which one of

7:34

the things, we haven't given a

7:36

update on my parents lately, and

7:38

tell you the truth, it hasn't

7:40

been good, but for my mom,

7:42

it's been a lot better. this

7:44

past week. Yeah, because she was

7:46

really not doing good. She got

7:49

an infection from a fall from

7:51

a cut that had happened earlier.

7:53

And she was in the hospital

7:55

for 11 days. So yeah, but

7:57

she's now, she's still in a

7:59

hospital. but it's a more yeah

8:01

rehab physically trying to get her

8:03

to eat but we were kind

8:05

of dealing with the fact that maybe

8:07

this is it I mean that's

8:09

what it seemed like in the

8:11

moment seemed close there yeah so

8:13

so it was difficult and my

8:15

dad you know when people say

8:17

because that's number one question I

8:19

get everywhere I go and they're

8:22

like I should have done and I've now

8:24

I'm just given the blunt trees I

8:26

say not good yes what I said

8:28

and so but It's overwhelming, but Zach

8:30

visited both our parents. I pulled in.

8:32

Because you hadn't been down in a

8:35

minute, does that? No, it's been a

8:37

while. I mean, it's been... Yeah, I

8:39

pulled in when Zach was coming out,

8:41

so he kind of stuck his head

8:43

in the window, you know, and because

8:45

we had to get him some

8:48

professional care. And I was like, how'd

8:50

that go? And Zach just lost it,

8:52

you know, and it... I kind of

8:54

realized in that moment when you're in

8:57

these battles. day by day you kind

8:59

of compartmentalize everything just so you can

9:01

deal with I mean it reminds me

9:03

in a way of like my daughter

9:05

should go through the surgeries and I

9:07

was kind of a basket case the

9:09

first few times but after a while

9:11

you're just like well I gotta do the

9:13

best I can and be a rock for

9:15

and so that's kind of what we're doing

9:17

you know with my dad. And then Zach

9:19

has the added thing of you know he

9:22

went through this with his mom a few

9:24

years ago so it's all I

9:26

had this conversation with Gordon. That's

9:28

dad because it's almost like some

9:30

version of PTSD because you go back

9:32

there and you think about the time

9:34

you had to be the one like

9:36

we are as the kids having to go

9:38

through the hardest moments and yet be

9:41

strong and you know yeah try to

9:43

provide the right care so it's a

9:45

it's a double whammy but we're giving

9:47

them comfortable and you know we're doing

9:49

the best we can and so I

9:52

think that's just what you do One

9:56

of the things that we hold

9:58

dear here on this podcast is

10:00

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10:02

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11:51

like you guys are it you're

11:54

seeing the I had been around

11:56

and I'd seen him a few

11:58

months. So I come in, it's

12:00

like, whoa. Which I remember when

12:03

Cy came up to see my

12:05

mom. And he walked in to

12:07

see her. And of course, you

12:09

know, he just, I mean, he

12:12

was like me with you yesterday,

12:14

Jason. He just lost it. We

12:16

hugged each other and cried together.

12:18

But it's because he had seen

12:20

her and he had never, you

12:22

know, so I think you have

12:24

an image in your mind. I've

12:26

said this a lot about dementia

12:28

and Alzheimer's. I think anyone in

12:30

our audience who's gone through it,

12:32

this will resonate with them, that

12:34

we talk a lot about how

12:36

it steals the memories of the

12:38

ones who have the disease, but

12:40

for me it also is stills

12:42

the memory of the one caring

12:44

for the people who have the

12:46

disease because you're seeing this slow

12:48

progression over time and it's hard

12:50

to watch. But when you come

12:53

in, it's a little more shocking

12:55

when you see it in real

12:57

life, but Yeah, I lost it.

12:59

It was it was it was

13:01

a kind of a tough trip.

13:03

I didn't anticipate that didn't anticipate,

13:05

you know, either, break it down

13:07

on the either chase, but yeah,

13:09

well, it's just it's been tough,

13:11

but we appreciate the prayers and

13:13

look, the bottom line is I

13:15

mean, we've been talking about these

13:17

signs and even we went to

13:19

story on the last podcast, talking

13:21

about has a guy getting 15

13:23

more years and you know, at

13:25

some point, has a car died.

13:27

I mean, this is. The hand

13:29

were dealt and there's a spark,

13:31

Zach and I talked about this,

13:33

which was really powerful. There's a

13:35

spark, you know, of hope in

13:38

both my parents that at their

13:40

lowest moments during this process, which

13:42

my mom's on upswing now, which

13:44

is awesome, you still see that

13:46

spark. Yeah. It's in there. And

13:48

you know, it's the spirit of

13:50

God. So, you know, we're all

13:52

going to be faced with entropy.

13:54

because we're living on a planet

13:56

where everything decays and dies. And

13:58

it's not only the... the Holy

14:00

Spirit, which is the most important

14:02

one, but it's also love for each

14:04

other. And, you know, Zach, you were

14:06

involved in the blind, which was a

14:08

story of where they came from, but,

14:10

you know, they've been together 60 years

14:12

now, and they haven't been able to

14:14

be together in proximity for a few

14:16

weeks. But when they face-time each other,

14:18

which we've been doing that quite frequently,

14:21

because they're in different. is really

14:23

touching. I mean, it reminds you

14:25

of the blessing we get on

14:27

earth to have somebody to carry

14:29

burdens with in the beauty of

14:31

marriage and relationship. And to be

14:33

honest, that's really dad's only consistent

14:36

North Star is usually mom. What did

14:38

you tell you, Chase, when you were

14:40

there about the message to get the

14:42

guy? I thought that was funny. About

14:44

the Navy? No, the one I said,

14:46

tell her to call me. Oh yeah.

14:48

No, he got his, got a pen

14:51

out. He was like, which was really

14:53

the most intelligent thing we had of

14:55

the conversation. He's like, hey, no,

14:57

when you see her, because what

14:59

we've been doing is we'll cook

15:01

a meal pretty much. She's in

15:03

a, she's in a hospital setting.

15:05

Yeah, and she just hasn't been

15:07

eating. And so Missy's like, well,

15:09

what do you want, what is your,

15:12

what will you eat you eat if I cook

15:14

it if I cook it? and she

15:16

wanted the meatloaf and mashed potatoes. Which

15:18

is her recipe, which is so we,

15:20

yeah, we took it to Phil first

15:23

and he was eight just like, you

15:25

know, he went to town on it

15:27

and, uh, okay, might have taken five

15:29

or six bites, which was five or

15:32

six more bites than she's been taking,

15:34

but, uh, so, uh, but when I was

15:36

at Phil's, I was like, well, we're

15:38

gonna go see Kay, because we're trying

15:40

to get them back together,

15:42

but they're dealing with. severe

15:45

issues. So he said, well, hey,

15:47

you got a pen out and he's

15:49

like, make sure you tell her

15:52

to call me. Well, I'm like,

15:54

well, Phil, you don't have a

15:56

phone. He said, yep, but let

15:58

me write it down. Because I'll

16:01

forget. I was like, but feel you

16:03

don't have a phone. He's like, let

16:05

me write it down. I was like,

16:08

look, how about we just handle it?

16:10

We'll take care of it. And he

16:12

finally said, well, why didn't you say

16:14

so? You know, it's just hard to

16:17

have a conversation sometimes, you know, because

16:19

I'm like, right in this number. Because

16:21

I'm like, right in this number. Yeah,

16:24

like I get it. And so in

16:26

the moment, it's just that frustration, but

16:28

you know, it has a hard time.

16:31

Yeah, well, now I'm not sure. At

16:33

this stage, yeah, I don't think he's

16:35

aware of that. But, I mean, you

16:37

just do the best you can. And,

16:40

uh, yeah, it reminds me of that

16:42

verse, or in ecclesiasties where it says

16:44

that God has put eternity in the

16:47

hearts of men. And then there's Psalms

16:49

90, teach us, Lord, Lord, Lord, to

16:51

number our days. I think it says

16:54

that we might gain certain wisdom. And

16:56

I think that it's, it is really

16:58

important to contemplate your own mortality. I

17:00

mean, I think you see it when

17:03

you have loved ones facing stuff, but,

17:05

you made this point before we're going

17:07

through the gospel John. Everyone of the

17:10

people that got healed, they eventually didn't

17:12

get healed. I mean, like, like, like,

17:14

that we, that is a, we are

17:17

part of a bigger story. and this

17:19

side of the second coming so you

17:21

know we we emphasize the kingdom is

17:24

here a lot on this podcast but

17:26

but we also need to remember that

17:28

it's not fully here there is going

17:30

to be a full consummation later well

17:33

and it was like the the Apostle

17:35

Paul that I was just to a

17:37

sermon Sunday in Kentucky and the guy

17:40

that preached it one of the last

17:42

verses he read was Paul telling Timothy

17:44

you know I'm already being poured out

17:47

like a dream offering and that really

17:49

struck me because I've been thinking a

17:51

lot about mom and dad and praying

17:53

and I thought you know Paul got

17:56

to the he knew he knew the

17:58

end was coming yeah and look you

18:00

won't do any more than he was

18:03

doing for the kingdom I mean most

18:05

of the books of the New Testament

18:07

he wrote and so he realized it

18:10

in the moment and said look it's

18:12

poured out and it hit me in

18:14

that moment I thought you know what

18:16

my dad's been pouring it out for

18:19

50 years you're talking about an all-in

18:21

person And, you know, wherever we get

18:23

to in this journey, we realize that

18:26

at some point we pour it out

18:28

and then we cross over. I mean,

18:30

this is going to happen to every

18:33

one of us. Well, even in the

18:35

last chapter of the book of John,

18:37

you know, there's a little tension there

18:39

about Peter, you know, Jesus starts talking

18:42

about his death, you know, and he's

18:44

like, well, and then he's looking at

18:46

John like a seamen, oh, you're in.

18:49

What about him? How come he's not

18:51

going to die? You know, and remember

18:53

Jesus said, if I want him to

18:56

remain alive until I return, what is

18:58

that to you? Follow me. So, you

19:00

know, I think we're all about looking

19:02

at things that happen on the earth

19:05

and realize God is still raining by

19:07

giving us the spirit as a deposit,

19:09

you know, guaranteeing our inheritance. And even

19:12

through their struggle, my dad has the

19:14

Holy Spirit of God. My mom has

19:16

the Holy Spirit of God. I mean,

19:19

death has become a glitch. That was

19:21

a snap of the fingers, you know.

19:23

So, but this is part of the

19:26

journey and part of the life. I

19:28

mean, God introduced this new creation to

19:30

us that we have the spirit. And

19:32

that's why I said, you can see

19:35

people that are doing this on a

19:37

daily basis with my parents. Oh it's

19:39

there you see the spark you see

19:42

the spirit so when you know you

19:44

know you know he had a little

19:46

nightstand when I walked in you I

19:49

mean you guys are there a lot

19:51

more than I am but he had

19:53

three things on the nightstand that was

19:55

interesting and then this sums up kind

19:58

of his life, the biggest item on

20:00

the stand was the Bible. The Bible,

20:02

the Bible, the second biggest was a

20:05

book about duck species which I thought

20:07

was funny. Well somebody sent that, some

20:09

listener sent that to give to my

20:12

dad and I'm grateful because he really

20:14

likes that. It was like written and

20:16

when he was a, it was like

20:18

1970 I think, it was 40 years

20:21

ago. It was, because in his mind

20:23

he kind of went through a stage

20:25

there where it was like 1970, where

20:28

it was like 1970. So yeah, and

20:30

then what's the other thing? The one

20:32

that I should have suspected, but it

20:35

was kind of the one that kind

20:37

of hit me was a glass of

20:39

tea, a fun sweet tea. He's got

20:41

all the essentials. He's got what he

20:44

needs. Well, I came in there a

20:46

couple days ago and said, just letting

20:48

you know what today is, whatever. I

20:51

read the date off my phone. You

20:53

know, and he was like, 2025. Are

20:55

you kidding me kidding me? Are you

20:58

kidding me? I was like, yeah, it's

21:00

2025. I was like, and so I

21:02

did his speech that we've heard a

21:05

thousand times. I said, look, it's 2025

21:07

years since Jesus was here on the

21:09

earth. And he was like, hold it,

21:11

hold it. And so he started lust.

21:14

And what are you looking for? And

21:16

he just, he wouldn't say, because he

21:18

couldn't think of the name or what

21:21

he was looking for, which turned out

21:23

to be a pen. And he said,

21:25

I need to write this down. So

21:28

he told you that's good material. So

21:30

I started weight when he kept writing

21:32

and I never looked at what he

21:34

wrote, but I was scared to look.

21:37

But I just thought, you know, he's

21:39

forgotten. He was thought this is awesome.

21:41

And I'm like, Phil, you've said this

21:44

a thousand times. This was your stuff.

21:46

And so then I just thought, I'm

21:48

going to keep going with it. I

21:51

was like, you know what time it

21:53

is in China? And I said that.

21:55

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21:57

like, hang on, hang on. What I

22:00

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24:03

it kind of hit me in the

24:05

moment. It's as frustrating as it is

24:07

about them forgetting things and not being

24:09

aware of their condition or their surroundings.

24:12

You literally can tell any good news

24:14

every day and that they act like

24:16

it's the first time they ever heard

24:18

it. So it was new every day.

24:21

I think it's more a perspective. Kind

24:23

of like that verse and is it

24:25

Jeremiah that? Those are the most lamentations

24:27

that says that new mercies are born

24:30

every morning. Yeah, and that's a good

24:32

way of looking at life too. But

24:34

we're still praying and like you say,

24:36

hey, we're not underestimating the power of

24:39

God. He can do what he wants

24:41

to and I'm really grateful that I

24:43

think he's held my mom in a

24:46

way because it just was looking really

24:48

grim. But uh, and that's why we

24:50

haven't been talking about it because I

24:52

thought. This could go either way here,

24:55

but she's really bouncing back and and

24:57

seems to be doing better Yeah, and

24:59

I know some of you out there

25:01

have struggled because you've sent me notes

25:04

telling me that You know, why aren't

25:06

you speaking more life into them? Jason

25:08

talked about has a cow in the

25:10

last one the 15 more years You

25:13

understand when heaven comes to earth and

25:15

you recognizing the spirit of God lives

25:17

in you? We already understand the grasp

25:19

of eternity in 78 years seem like

25:22

a long time till it didn't. Yeah.

25:24

You know what I'm saying? It's just

25:26

like for me, 60 years seem like

25:28

an old man until I turn 60.

25:31

Well, and people are commenting from a

25:33

perspective. They don't know the content. Right.

25:35

I get it. I understand. And I'm

25:37

not angry about it. We've given them

25:40

the greatest care that they have teams

25:42

of medical professionals and teams of people

25:44

who are praying and we're reading scripture.

25:46

We're doing all the things that I

25:49

think are the right way to do

25:51

it. And you know, as in my

25:53

dad's case, I mean, he exercises, he

25:55

eats, he's being checked out on a

25:58

daily basis. know and just there's no

26:00

improvement I mean this going on for

26:02

months yeah and so well what do

26:05

you do you know you just do

26:07

what whatever hand you're doing well

26:09

and look I've quoted that many many times

26:11

as he said it over and over and

26:13

I've told him this now in this new

26:16

era we're in the resurrection looms

26:18

large how many times as he

26:20

said on this podcast so we

26:22

understand the crossover and eternity so

26:24

Just believe us in saying that

26:26

we understand eternity and the value

26:29

of it. And we're already living

26:31

in it now, we understand it.

26:33

Yeah, and where we're at in

26:35

the text, I mean, we just

26:37

did a whole podcast about, you

26:39

know, look at where the signs

26:41

are pointing. I mean, yes, Jesus

26:44

was given a glimpse of the

26:46

kingdom, his kingdom, which is

26:48

there's a new creation that is

26:50

being formed. And he's introducing that.

26:52

He's showing what it means to

26:54

be in the presence of the

26:57

king. Look, he's healing people, he's

26:59

doing miracles. That's all pointing to

27:01

him being from the son of God.

27:03

But what he plans on doing

27:05

for each individual on the cross

27:08

and the resurrection and ultimately

27:10

pouring out his spirit and being seated

27:12

at the right hand of God as

27:14

the head of the church. I mean this is

27:16

what is the game changer. Those signs

27:18

are pointing to who he is and

27:20

time no longer matters after that. We're

27:22

going to live eternally is my

27:24

point. And eternal life keeps coming

27:26

up. And it's understanding you mentioned

27:29

in the last podcast of the

27:31

word becoming flash. That really becomes

27:33

the key. And I think that's

27:35

the point John's trying to make

27:37

because he's already said look. he goes

27:40

back to galley and at first because they've

27:42

seen good things they're like oh yeah we

27:44

love this guy he's in a hometown hero

27:46

until he starts into who he really is

27:49

yeah and then it's like wait a minute

27:51

you know and that's when he got into

27:53

about not being accepted well that's my point

27:55

look when you read this last miracle that

27:57

we left off he healed this roll of

28:00

son and he just said it which

28:02

I think that's why the disciples had

28:04

a misrepresentation of what Jesus was going

28:06

to bring because you got to think

28:08

about he changed water to the water

28:11

to wine and now all of a

28:13

sudden he's able to say something well

28:15

think if you were looking for a

28:17

king that was going to take on

28:19

other kingdoms in a warlike fashion well

28:21

if you had Jesus on your side

28:24

you're like They can't starve us out.

28:26

I mean, this dude can just get

28:28

you something to drink out of thin

28:30

air and can basically literally bring food

28:32

from little into enough to feed thousands.

28:35

That's gonna happen. John six. Well, yeah,

28:37

when you put all those pieces just

28:39

like this is the ultimate warrior. Yeah,

28:41

because if somebody gets stabbed on the

28:43

battlefield, he can just say be healed.

28:46

Yeah. And then he's healed. I mean,

28:48

in their mind, I think that's what

28:50

they're thinking. But what it's really pointing

28:52

to is if Jesus is who he

28:54

is, well, death, our view of death,

28:57

changes here. Because it's like if he

28:59

has that kind of power, which is,

29:01

this is where we're going in the

29:03

signs when he gets to the Sabbath

29:05

sign. He raises a man from the

29:08

dead. His last one was the resurrection.

29:10

Yeah, I'll just give you a great,

29:12

what a great point there. I mean,

29:14

and that's why the argument that Paul

29:16

makes, you're looking for the signs. He

29:19

said, the Jews look for the signs

29:21

and the Greeks demand wisdom, but we

29:23

preach Christ crucified, meaning we preach a

29:25

Christ who died. Well, why would we

29:27

preach that? Because he didn't stay dead.

29:30

I mean, that's I mean, that's the

29:32

big that's the big thing that's happening

29:34

here in the and scripture and Christianity

29:36

gives us It's not in us. It's

29:38

not just that we have we don't

29:40

know you don't avoid death as a

29:43

Christian you conquer death and that's a

29:45

big. We're talking and that's what our

29:47

third time's going to be about in

29:49

John 5 because it really becomes not

29:51

so much about the healing, but more

29:54

about he did it on the Sabbath.

29:56

And so now he's gonna, this third

29:58

sign is gonna be that this new

30:00

Sabbath is the fulfillment of the original

30:02

picture of the Sabbath, which goes all

30:05

the way back to creation. John didn't

30:07

do this by accident. What did he

30:09

do when he introduced Jesus? He's like

30:11

in the beginning. Well you remember the

30:13

story of creation and then God rested

30:16

and then they as God's chosen nation

30:18

observed the Sabbath and it was like

30:20

a day of rest and fulfillment and

30:22

celebration and so he's gonna make that

30:24

the sign that there's a new Sabbath

30:27

that he's introducing which a lot of

30:29

people have missed. So you may read

30:31

this, John 5. And remember this is

30:33

coming off of the, I believe Jason

30:35

is around the money because we've talked

30:38

about the temple, which if you look

30:40

at it and you see this idea

30:42

of the ultimate Jewish establishment, it's that.

30:44

And now we're fixing to go into

30:46

another. Sacred thing and that's the Sabbath.

30:49

So I think he's showing his authority

30:51

what he's conquering here. And this sign

30:53

that the Sabbath is pointing to what

30:55

Jesus gives you as far as the

30:57

new Sabbath, I mean it is a

30:59

game changer. It's good. Now look, I'm

31:02

not going to read the whole chapter,

31:04

but what happens is this story triggered

31:06

resistance and Jesus basically gives a sermon.

31:08

and then he gives another sermon based

31:10

on this so we're probably least go

31:13

through 18 yeah we're not going to

31:15

be able to cover all this but

31:17

I think it would be good for

31:19

you to read the whole chapter yeah

31:21

and get a feel for this kind

31:24

of spark a lot of conversation from

31:26

Jesus this is one place where you

31:28

can't just read the first paragraph because

31:30

he actually has little nuggets that he's

31:32

going to get into based

31:35

on what just happened,

31:37

but we'll just

31:39

introduce it today. So

31:41

John 5, third

31:43

sign, here we go.

31:46

Sometime later, Jesus

31:48

went up to Jerusalem

31:50

for one of

31:52

the Jewish festivals, which

31:54

is a key

31:57

point because they all

31:59

gathered up, meaning

32:01

there were hundreds of

32:03

people, if not

32:05

thousands. Probably thousands. Now

32:08

there is in

32:10

Jerusalem near the sheep

32:12

gate a pool,

32:14

which is Aramaic. In

32:16

Aramaic is called

32:19

Bethesda. I have a

32:21

hard time saying

32:23

that. Well, there's the

32:25

Bethesda in here

32:27

too, that throws you

32:29

Bethesda. Bethesda. And

32:32

which is surrounded by

32:34

five covered colonnades.

32:36

Here a great number

32:38

of disabled people

32:40

used to lie, the

32:43

blind, the lame,

32:45

the paralyzed. One

32:47

who was there had been

32:49

an invalid for 38 years. When

32:51

Jesus saw him lying there

32:53

and learned that he had been

32:56

in the condition for a

32:58

long time, he asked him, there's

33:00

is our fourth question. I

33:02

did this on the last podcast.

33:04

We're making, what

33:06

are we making? A collage of questions

33:08

in Book of John. Because I already

33:10

got one sermon. What do you seek?

33:12

Will you give me a drink? Why

33:14

do you involve me? Or why do

33:17

you involve me? Why do you give

33:19

me a drink and do you want

33:21

to get well? Do you want to

33:23

get well? It's pretty good. That's a

33:25

good sermon. Verse seven. Sir, the invalid

33:27

replied, I have no one to help

33:29

me into the pool when the water

33:32

is stirred. While I'm trying to get

33:34

in, someone else goes down ahead of

33:36

me. And you sense a little self

33:38

pity there. But understandably, the man has

33:40

been crippled for 38 years, an invalid.

33:42

Which by the way, is that's longer

33:44

than the lifetime expectancy of this era.

33:47

I mean, I'm fixed to make a

33:49

point about that. So just, okay. So,

33:52

where'd I leave off? Yeah,

33:54

verse eight. So verse eight,

33:56

then Jesus said to him,

33:58

Get up, pick up your

34:00

mask. and walk at once the

34:02

man was cured he picked

34:04

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34:06

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basically it it was

35:29

like quick nothing about

35:31

faith faith believe

35:33

like healing gone to

35:36

bam so then

35:38

watch what happens

35:40

the day on which this took

35:42

place was a Sabbath so

35:44

you know he made a point to do

35:46

this because look this has been laying here

35:48

for 38 years what's one more day so

35:50

it wasn't like Jesus have waited that he

35:52

knew because he there was a sign here

35:54

that he's pointing to about you know the

35:56

kingdom here's what the kingdom's gonna look

35:58

like the new creation And so the Jewish

36:01

leaders said to the man who

36:03

had been ill, it is the Sabbath,

36:05

the law forbids you to carry

36:07

your mat. And so I looked at it,

36:10

I looked up a little list.

36:12

There was all kinds of

36:14

things. There's 39 different things in

36:16

one list I looked at.

36:18

Yeah, but he replied, the man

36:20

who made me well said to me,

36:22

pick up your mat and walk. So

36:25

they asked him, well, who is

36:27

this fellow. You gotta remember, this is

36:29

the theme of John. Who is this

36:31

fellow who told you to pick it

36:33

up and walk? The man who was

36:36

healed had no idea who it

36:38

was. For Jesus had slipped away

36:40

into the crowd. That was there.

36:42

I was like, he just got

36:44

healed. Bam. Later, Jesus found him,

36:46

which I love this part of

36:48

the story. At the temple and

36:51

said to him, because it's probably

36:53

the first time he'd been in

36:55

the temple in 38 years. Yeah. Well

36:58

you know it was, because he

37:00

would have never been allowed in.

37:02

See, you are well again. Now

37:04

watch this statement. Stop sending or

37:06

something worse may happen to you. The man

37:08

went away and told the Jewish

37:10

leaders that it was Jesus who

37:12

had made him well. And they

37:14

knew. So because Jesus was doing

37:17

these things on the Sabbath, the

37:19

Jewish leaders began to persecute him

37:21

in his defense. Jesus said to

37:23

them, my father is always at

37:25

his work to this very day. And

37:27

I too am working. For this reason,

37:29

they tried all the more to kill

37:31

him. Not only was he breaking

37:34

the Sabbath, but he was even

37:36

calling God his own father,

37:38

making himself equal with God.

37:40

So there's a lot of unpacked

37:42

there because their impression was

37:44

like, God's still resting. Remember

37:47

the Sabbath day he made

37:49

everything and he's... We thought

37:51

that was it. And then all of

37:53

a sudden a guy, a human being?

37:55

They're looking at says, oh no, we're

37:57

working. He's my father. You did this.

37:59

on the Sabbath. So there's a lot

38:02

of rabbit holes to go down

38:04

here. Well, one of the things

38:06

I wanted to mention was this

38:08

is something new I learned in,

38:10

you know, there's a lot of

38:12

opinion out in the scholarly world,

38:14

but one of the pictures I

38:16

saw in one of the books

38:18

that I've been reading alongside of

38:20

this was there's a pool that

38:22

looks a lot like this because

38:24

of the description, the colonnades and

38:26

everything there. And it's kind of

38:28

north of the temple, but it's

38:30

close. It's like within the shadow

38:32

of the temple. So it'd have

38:34

been close to the temple, if

38:36

this is the place it was.

38:38

And they're not 100% sure. I

38:40

think they're pretty sure. Well, and

38:42

I think it is for sure.

38:44

There's a different opinion, but I

38:46

think they're right. It's called the

38:48

Asclepius, who is a Greek god

38:50

of medicine. And so the idea

38:52

was, you probably the pagans would.

38:54

Yeah, exactly. Which is why, yeah,

38:56

I read the same stuff, which

38:58

is why they think Jesus picked

39:00

this place. That's what I thought.

39:02

Because he's like picking a fight

39:04

with the, because you got a

39:06

member, in our culture now, I

39:08

don't know when this started happening,

39:10

Zach may know, everything about Jesus

39:12

became about just him doing away

39:14

with our sin. Yeah. But if

39:16

you read the Bible, there's a

39:18

lot. More to it than just

39:20

that. I mean he's taken on

39:22

the evil powers think the think

39:24

of feasible There's a cosmic battle.

39:26

There's a meta. No doubt Yeah,

39:28

I totally agree. I think that

39:31

happened. I don't there's a lot

39:33

There's a lot you know a

39:35

lot of discussion here. Well think

39:37

to go back to the Ten

39:39

Commandments you know you'll have no

39:41

other God before me. Well, how

39:43

many times has that been violated?

39:45

You know, there were whole cultures

39:47

built on whole God characters and

39:49

he does save us right. He

39:51

does save us from our sins

39:53

personally, but he's also like we're

39:55

being part, we're being invited into

39:57

part of a cosmic battle. We're

39:59

being. invited into something much bigger

40:01

than just our individual selves. Think

40:03

about that Ephesians three passage when

40:05

it says that through the church

40:07

the colorful or the manifold wisdom

40:09

of God is made known to

40:11

the, think it says the principalities and

40:13

the rulers and the heavenly realms.

40:15

So we're exactly, we're doing more than just,

40:18

it's not that we don't, we are safe

40:20

from our sins by Jesus, but we're also

40:22

saved to something and there's a bigger thing

40:24

going on here. So the point, right may

40:27

this point, which I thought was really rich.

40:29

that Jesus would swoop into this place that

40:31

was rife with pagans. No good Jew would

40:33

ever go here. But obviously there were some

40:36

Jews there, like this guy, who's been there

40:38

for 38 years, and he swoops in and

40:40

he heals this guy and then the guy

40:42

goes back to the temple eventually. That's where

40:45

Jesus runs into it. And the

40:47

idea that Enzi Wright makes the

40:49

point is John continues this idea

40:51

of the kingdom expansion and the idea

40:53

of God came here for a reason. It

40:55

was beyond just the Jewish people. even though

40:57

this guy was a Jew and this would

41:00

spark the whole thing about the Sabbath and

41:02

everything was going to happen as a result

41:04

of it. But I love that picture. I

41:06

had never thought about that before. This

41:09

is just like this American woman. This

41:11

is another idea that Jesus came

41:13

here with a global idea that all

41:15

people could find salvation. Yeah, it's kind

41:18

of like what we talked about before

41:20

on some podcast where when Peter famously

41:22

said, when Jesus said, who do you say I am?

41:25

He said, You're the Christ, the Son

41:27

of the Living God. But he,

41:29

they were at a place where basically

41:31

the equivalent of satanic

41:34

worship was going on. Right. You know,

41:36

and on this rock. And so some

41:38

of these scholars, they're like,

41:40

say, the rock was right here

41:43

where all this demonology was

41:45

told and the wise he

41:47

doing that, well, the same,

41:49

same thing. And the transfiguration

41:51

also, it was supposedly the land

41:53

of the land of the... Realm of

41:55

the dead at the foot of the

41:58

mountain were all these these philosophy were

42:00

coming up and I think it

42:02

was Jesus saying I'm you know picking

42:04

a fight whatever you want to say

42:07

I'm here to to take you

42:09

on and but meanwhile not realizing and

42:11

not giving away the fact that his

42:13

death would actually be their demise

42:15

because that was their go-to was If

42:18

there's a threat, you just kill

42:20

them. That's why this is the realm

42:22

of the dead. And I think, is

42:24

this the first time we've seen

42:26

that use where they're starting to say,

42:29

this guy needs to, something needs to

42:31

be done about it? Well, right.

42:33

And you just see right here, they're

42:35

threatening to kill him, because that's what

42:38

you do. But, and these were

42:40

supposedly religious people, but, and I thought

42:42

NT, right in his commentary made another

42:44

good point about when the Adam

42:46

and evil kicked out of the garden.

42:49

Which so here you have this place

42:51

where God and humans are living

42:53

together. Yeah. And when they're kicked out,

42:55

well death, think Romans five, came

42:57

to all men now because you've lost

43:00

access to this tree of life and

43:02

were estranged, which is really why

43:04

the evil one became the Lord of

43:06

the dead. Right. Which makes. Passages make

43:09

more sense where it says he

43:11

was the murderer from the beginning and

43:13

when Jesus came he came to destroy

43:15

him who had the power of

43:17

death that is the devil that's Hebrews

43:20

too. But I'd never thought about the

43:22

symbolism so it says God put

43:24

a charitable and a flaming sword to

43:26

protect the entrance back into the garden.

43:29

Well he made a you know

43:31

and look I don't it's the first

43:33

time I had really thought about

43:35

that and he was like only Death,

43:37

you know, Jesus's death could break that

43:40

down and he made the illustration

43:42

about when Jesus died the curtain was

43:44

ripped into because it was symbolic of

43:46

the charitable man the flame and

43:48

sword I guess of death. I thought

43:51

I'll preach it on that in two

43:53

weeks. I was like Ooh, that's

43:55

good. This is good. So I think,

43:57

yeah, because that curtain would have sewn

44:00

into it. It had, that curtain,

44:02

the veil that was torn, it had

44:04

the sheer bones sewn in. That

44:06

was, yeah, that's what he put. And

44:08

I think about this, that in, behind

44:11

that curtain in the temple was

44:13

a place called the Holy of Holies.

44:15

That's the whole point of the book

44:17

of Hebrews, by the way. The

44:19

only way to get in there is

44:22

through the high priest and he has

44:24

to make the sacrifice for the

44:26

people's sins once a year and then

44:28

first he has to tone for himself

44:31

and there's this whole like picture

44:33

that the Hebrew writers painting him like

44:35

this is not a great system. You

44:37

know what I mean? Like is

44:39

it going to work? Man, what if

44:42

we had a better system with

44:44

a better priesthood where the priest didn't

44:46

even have to tone for his own

44:48

sins? He was perfect. and he

44:51

could that didn't atone for our sins.

44:53

Oh, by the way, then he also

44:55

became the atonement for his. Oh,

44:57

and also he is the temple. And

45:00

you're seeing the picture played out here.

45:02

And I think that you see

45:04

this in this text too, because when

45:06

you think about the Sabbath, there's in

45:09

Mark, Luke, I think in Matthew,

45:11

they all have another event where Jesus

45:13

addresses the Sabbath. Yeah, it's Matthew 12,

45:15

Mark, too. Yeah, think about what

45:17

he says and Mark too, he says

45:20

that the problem is, is you

45:22

guys didn't understand that the Sabbath was

45:24

made for man, not man for the

45:26

Sabbath. Like you've missed it. And

45:28

the other part you missed is that

45:31

Jesus, be speaking as Jesus, I'm the

45:33

Lord of the Sabbath. Oh, you

45:35

missed those two big things, which is

45:37

the whole thing we talked about in

45:40

the last podcast. So what does

45:42

that do anything about the signs, and

45:44

you brought up Hezokaya? Don't focus if

45:46

you if you end up just

45:48

worshiping the signs, then you worship the

45:51

Sabbath and you don't understand what the

45:53

Sabbath was for because you don't

45:55

understand who's the head of the Sabbath.

45:57

You don't like don't worship the

45:59

signs, worship the. sign giver, the one

46:02

who has authority over the signs, and

46:04

then you'll be able to see

46:06

the sign in its context, that these

46:08

are actually made for our

46:10

benefit. And you could say this,

46:13

Zach, you could say the same thing.

46:15

Zach, you could say the same thing.

46:17

I would argue the same thing about

46:19

all of the law, especially the Ten

46:22

Commandments. Each of those were made for

46:24

man. I mean, why do we not

46:26

murder one another? It's for the good

46:28

of man. Why should we never put

46:31

ourselves up as gods? Because we're terrible

46:33

gods. You know, we can't. I mean,

46:35

every point. So if you put your

46:38

trust in law, it's the same problem

46:40

by putting your trust in what you

46:42

were talking about. That's legalism, right?

46:44

So what if you said,

46:46

what is the definition of

46:48

legalism? One definition we could

46:51

use is it would be to take the

46:53

things of God, the commandments

46:55

of God, and and twist turn them

46:57

into something that God does for

46:59

him. Like we got to earn it

47:01

somehow through keeping these. It's what they

47:03

told me early on with my diet.

47:05

Don't focus on what you can't eat.

47:08

Focus on what you can't eat. Yeah.

47:10

It's the best thing they ever told

47:12

me about it. Nobody's ever told me

47:14

that about a diet. And I thought,

47:16

they're right. I'm always saying about what

47:18

I can't eat. Instead of saying, look,

47:20

I can eat all this. You know,

47:22

it's the same idea. Well, it reminds

47:25

me when Jesus. labor and

47:27

are heavy laden and I will

47:29

give you rest because that's what

47:31

the symbol was about. But think

47:34

about Hebrews 4. You know when

47:36

he talks about a Sabbath rest for

47:38

God's people and he did the

47:40

same thing we did even in

47:42

the context of John 5 like

47:44

verse 4 says for somewhere he

47:46

has spoken about the seventh day

47:48

in these words and on the

47:51

seventh day God rested from all

47:53

his work. And so then when you get

47:55

to like verse eight, it says for if

47:57

Joshua had given them risk, I would not

47:59

have spoken. later about another day. There

48:01

remains then a Sabbath rest for

48:03

the people of God, for anyone

48:05

who enters God's rest, also rests

48:07

from his own work, just as

48:09

God did from us, from his.

48:11

Let us therefore make every effort

48:13

to enter that rest so that

48:15

no one will fall, you know,

48:17

by following their example of disobedience.

48:20

But then it gets into the

48:22

word of God is living and

48:24

active and now you're going back

48:26

to this living water. Because the

48:28

Greek word for living in that

48:30

living water was like running water

48:32

and here in this pool, you

48:34

know, I looked it up and

48:36

these historians say that they basically

48:38

had one pool that was going

48:40

into another pool and it was

48:42

creating current and bubbles and so

48:44

then this this Greek God, they

48:46

were all, oh, no, it's the

48:48

angel putting bubbles in the water,

48:50

you know, and so it had

48:52

this mystique. About that but it

48:54

was basically by the way if

48:56

you fast forward thousands of years

48:58

the reason people back a hundred

49:00

years ago went to Hot Springs

49:02

Arkansas and all these other places

49:04

where there are hot springs is

49:06

because there was a medicinal value

49:08

is like oh we got living

49:10

water it's bubbling it's warm you

49:12

know and that I think that's

49:14

why Jesus sought out that one

49:16

guy 38 years I mean you

49:18

don't do you really I looked

49:20

it up look 38 years ago

49:22

I was a senior in high

49:24

school good good Look, I was

49:26

dating. You talk about entropy. I'm

49:28

telling you, son, right there, that's

49:30

it. 38 years ago, I became

49:33

a dad for the first time.

49:35

Wow, 38 years ago. I found

49:37

fascinating. I look back and it's

49:39

like, what are the major events

49:41

in 1987? I mean, we're talking

49:43

about Ronald Reagan and ending the

49:45

Cold War. We're going back to

49:47

that. You know what the number

49:49

one song that that year was?

49:51

Madonna? Walk like and eat it

49:53

and eat it and look so

49:55

I got to I'm like, Egypt?

49:57

I mean, there was a spiritual

49:59

component to it. And there was

50:01

a little dance with the hands.

50:03

Oh, it was a thing. You

50:05

know, it was four women from

50:07

England or whatever. Yeah, who's saying

50:09

that? The Bangles. The Bangles. The

50:11

Bangles. Yeah. So look, you know

50:13

what I found fascinated about that?

50:15

When I looked up, I was

50:17

like, how did they write that

50:19

song? Because I'm like, they might

50:21

have been believers or something. So

50:23

the guy who wrote the song

50:25

was on a ferry ride somewhere

50:27

over in Europe and The waves

50:29

came up and he he saw

50:31

how everybody was because they were

50:33

trying to keep their balance Yeah

50:35

reminded him of the the ancient

50:37

Egyptian Portraits on the walls that

50:39

they had written with their arms

50:41

out and he's like these people

50:43

are walking like Egyptians because the

50:45

boats rocking I've been there on

50:48

a cruise ship. I never put

50:50

that together. Put it together. Crabwalk

50:52

on a cruise. Hold on. Is

50:54

this, did you make this up

50:56

or is this like a real...

50:58

On the internet, which by the

51:00

way in 1987 was the big,

51:02

it went from a thousand interactions

51:04

on the internet to like 30,000.

51:06

It was like, this thing's actually

51:08

taken off. Well, let me just

51:10

say something to our audience here.

51:12

I think this is important. If

51:14

you don't think we study for

51:16

this podcast for this podcast, the

51:18

fact... that that he went that

51:20

deep yeah he didn't just I

51:22

mean he thought 1980 I mean

51:24

he went you went on it

51:26

like you did your work well

51:28

I was I was a senior

51:30

in high school I was looking

51:32

at the movies like the number

51:34

one movie was three men and

51:36

a baby oh well Steve Gutenberg

51:38

yeah and it was like I

51:40

mean the other movies were like

51:42

fatal attraction you know that's when

51:44

everybody was like oh man Girlfriend,

51:46

I better get right with my

51:48

wife. Girlfriend or mischie some help.

51:50

I don't have a lot of

51:52

memories from the late 80s. I

51:54

do have a, when you say,

51:56

you were just a lot, young

51:58

lads. I was a little kid,

52:01

but I do remember something from

52:03

1985. Did you say, every time

52:05

I hear in 1985, something pops

52:07

in my head. What do you

52:09

think it is? The most significant

52:11

event in my mind. See, I

52:13

was, what, a sophomore in high

52:15

school. It was a transitional year

52:17

from now. I just got married.

52:19

I just come to the Lord.

52:21

So I was just trying to

52:23

survive. What was is that? Debearers.

52:25

Oh, the bears. Well, let me

52:27

give you this. Do you know

52:29

how far away this was? Icky

52:31

Woods, the Icky Shuffle, the 1985

52:33

refrigerator, Perry, the quarterback was Jim

52:35

McMahon. They were like a big,

52:37

it was a big thing. The

52:39

85, which is where the conspiracy

52:41

started that football was all about

52:43

selling you food, which is now

52:45

a modern day commercial. Yeah, Uber

52:47

eats it. They're like, the refrigerator.

52:49

Yeah, it's all about people selling

52:51

snacks. What are eating Jerry. Rice?

52:53

Oh look Jerry's eating rice. My

52:55

favorite commercial rice is so good.

52:57

My wife doesn't get that commercial.

52:59

She's like, why do you think

53:01

that's funny? It's so good. I

53:03

said it's hilarious, man. But what

53:05

I was also going to say,

53:07

you realize how long ago that

53:09

was, do you know who won

53:11

the Super Bowl in 1987? Who?

53:13

The New York Giants. Oh gosh,

53:16

yeah. Who's that, who was the,

53:18

who was the four times? But

53:20

I'm just saying, look, I think

53:22

we read these lines and you

53:24

know, you take for granted, this

53:26

guy, I mean, we talked about

53:28

my parents, which has been an

53:30

incredible decline just in a year,

53:32

so this guy's been like this

53:34

for 38 years, which is why,

53:36

I mean, you start going back,

53:38

that's a. In their day, that's

53:40

two-thirds of your life. Yeah, if

53:42

not more, three quarters, maybe. Yeah,

53:44

three quarters. Yeah, and Jesus asked

53:46

that question, do you want to

53:48

get well? Look, which you think,

53:50

well, everybody, that was a very,

53:52

that was a very good question.

53:54

I mean, only the creator of

53:56

the year. could come up with

53:58

it. That's good. And he's like,

54:00

sure. And what I found fascinating

54:02

because I know we're out of

54:04

time because people brought this up.

54:06

The scholars argue about why he

54:08

said stop sending or something may

54:10

worse may happen to because God

54:12

does have the confrontation. Jesus has

54:14

that confrontation about your life and

54:16

there most of them think that

54:18

they were going into this argument

54:20

of whether They thought oh you

54:22

must have lived a simple life

54:24

or had done something to deserve

54:26

his 38 years Yeah, that's what

54:29

I read that too But we

54:31

know from John nine that's not

54:33

true call me the low-hanging fruit

54:35

guy But I think I don't

54:37

think he was taking his new

54:39

life from the creator of the

54:41

universe in flesh the right way.

54:43

I think it's what he was,

54:45

how he was responding to it.

54:47

It was becoming about him. I

54:49

love the idea that Jesus doesn't

54:51

forget to remind us he's not

54:53

going to leave us like he

54:55

found us. All right, and my

54:57

last point I want to say

54:59

is, because I think the fact

55:01

that he didn't know who the

55:03

guy what, when they said who

55:05

healed, he's like, I don't know.

55:07

I think that was a problem.

55:09

If you have an encounter with

55:11

Jesus, you need to remember that.

55:13

Your first question is, should have

55:15

been for me, who are you?

55:17

Yeah, you should have said, tell

55:19

me more about who you are.

55:21

All right, we're out of time.

55:23

Well, man, what a great place

55:25

to pick up next time. I

55:27

don't know how to show you.

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