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What about you? Three,

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two, one. Welcome back

0:35

to Unashamed. It didn't, you

0:37

know, Zach counted his end

0:39

today. I didn't have the

0:41

same melody that I'm used

0:43

to when Maddie does it,

0:45

Zach, it's just, it's felt

0:48

off. Although you're a fantastic

0:50

singer with a great voice,

0:52

I mean, it was better

0:54

than me or Chase, but welcome.

0:56

What is going on? What is

0:58

going on man? I'm looking at

1:00

him. He's like mid unpacking. He's

1:02

got a like a... It's like

1:05

he was just flying by and

1:07

he just pulled a bunch of

1:09

stuff out of his bag. It's

1:11

like, hey, we're doing a podcast

1:13

today. What do we do? If

1:15

you're not watching, he has a

1:17

book in his hand that has

1:19

got to be every bit of

1:21

a foot and a half thick.

1:23

Maddie called it a monstrosity. What

1:26

is it? You could actually

1:28

use it as a mask

1:30

during college. I can't read

1:33

that. What's on the writing?

1:35

What is it? This is

1:37

an old book. This was

1:40

given to me by a

1:42

close friend to be named

1:44

later. Okay. As a to contribute

1:46

to the podcast. And

1:49

I will quote them.

1:51

This is a

1:53

Webster's dictionary

1:56

from 1952. Oh, that

1:58

more work. Purchase by

2:01

said, friend, to be named

2:03

later, by just a couple

2:05

of bucks for a couple

2:07

of bucks. This is 19,

2:09

I think, 52, Webster Dictionary.

2:11

Well, I thought the same

2:13

thing when I saw it.

2:15

I thought, boy, we've shortened

2:17

the vocabulary. Yeah. Look, it

2:19

actually has a picture of

2:21

said Noah Webster on the

2:23

cover. Look at it. I

2:25

didn't even realize this was

2:27

here. Oh, look at there.

2:29

So if you're if you're

2:31

looking at me, if you're

2:33

listening, Jay says, put up

2:35

a picture, if dad were

2:37

here, it'd be Noah Webster,

2:40

which the only reason I'm,

2:42

I was in support of

2:44

this, famously said, because I

2:46

mean, here's the guy who

2:48

basically created the Western culture

2:50

dictionary. Can we agree to

2:52

that? Yeah, famously said that

2:54

education. is useless without the

2:56

Bible. That's it. You would

2:58

think that he would say

3:00

without a dictionary that I

3:02

wrote and I have some

3:04

for a small fee. Which

3:06

now look, I mean the

3:08

only good thing I guess

3:10

about no officer no longer

3:12

being on the planet is

3:14

he wouldn't want to know

3:16

how much they're selling these

3:18

for now because I mean

3:21

this is a couple dollars.

3:24

That's it. Well, I looked it

3:26

up. I've actually just looked it

3:28

up. The real value of that's

3:31

about $75. Now, that's why my

3:33

special friend was actually treasure hunting

3:35

that I found at Treasure. However,

3:37

I'm going to go ahead. Does

3:40

that mean he dug it up

3:42

in a field? No, they bought

3:44

it at like one of these,

3:47

uh, okay. What do you call

3:49

them? I have my hair up

3:51

today, is it? Should I just

3:54

let my hair down and we

3:56

talk or... No, I can see

3:58

it, you know, because Maddie's real

4:01

good with coming up his little

4:03

sensationalized things that we say. So

4:05

like when you see the unashamed,

4:08

it's like, you know, Jay's turned

4:10

green. No, that's actually not one,

4:12

but it's like, oh, Jay's gonna

4:15

turn green, let me go watch.

4:17

So, Jay's gets a haircut. Not

4:19

really, you know. Got you. Click

4:21

on this. Click on this. Click,

4:24

mate. We said you got shot

4:26

in the head and that was

4:28

a real, that actually happened. Well,

4:31

the problem is, here's the problem

4:33

I have when y'all do stuff

4:35

like that. Because then when I

4:38

go to the gas station, people

4:40

say, man, you're recovering nicely after

4:42

taking a bullet to the head.

4:45

I was like, I think you

4:47

missed the part that happened when

4:49

I was like. I forgot how

4:52

old I was. You're about 10

4:54

or 12. Yeah. And they're looking

4:56

at me like, well, it happened

4:59

to me. I know. It didn't

5:01

happen yesterday because you read it.

5:03

So, but this, I missed the

5:05

punchline on the dictionary. This was

5:08

given to me by a special

5:10

friend, despite the fact that they

5:12

could have made a lot of

5:15

money by then reselling it because

5:17

people don't realize the value or

5:19

something like that. So that I

5:22

could have more deeper conversations with

5:24

Zach Dasher Now I want to

5:26

know who the said friend is.

5:29

Yeah, that's a mystery that will

5:31

remain a mystery until I will

5:33

reveal it on a pikez Coming

5:36

near you or they're being sarcastic

5:38

towards me or they're being affirmative

5:40

of me. No, they were they

5:43

realize that I do have you

5:45

know the computer as a backup

5:47

because yeah, I'm I'm Pretty sure

5:49

that the vocabulary has changed from

5:52

1952. You know what's crazy when

5:54

I received this gift? I actually

5:56

brought up the fact about what

5:59

was that? word that I

6:01

didn't know the initials, the

6:03

gangster thing, that I was

6:06

deeply offended by, of people

6:08

using this, you know,

6:10

so yeah, we're gangsters for

6:13

Jesus. So, yeah. Haven't said

6:15

that, I met a person

6:17

this morning, actually, behind a

6:20

checkout counter, that I would

6:22

say has been given

6:24

the greatest name that I've

6:27

ever seen. That I've ever

6:29

seen. I just

6:31

thought I've been here over 50

6:33

years on the planet. Greatest

6:36

name I've ever met and

6:38

it happened about 15

6:40

minutes ago. Had a convenience

6:42

store. Yeah. Are you ready for that?

6:44

Did they have a name tag on?

6:46

Yep. I saw the name tag and

6:49

oh. Yeah. Because I'm always

6:51

looking for these conversations.

6:53

And look, it actually

6:55

goes with something that

6:57

we're going to get

6:59

into in John Six. I

7:02

don't know if we can get

7:04

to John Six today, the way

7:06

this is started. But, uh,

7:08

you ready for the name? I'm

7:11

building the drama. What's the

7:13

name? One. O-N-E? That's what

7:15

I thought you would say.

7:17

No. W-O-N. And

7:19

I said one now

7:21

that's a name I

7:23

said you literally Roll

7:25

out of bed every morning and

7:28

say yep Winnie I won

7:30

But I thought now that the

7:32

genius of parents what a name

7:35

Let's name our daughter. Did

7:37

you ask her? Is it her?

7:39

Yeah, it was her. Did you

7:41

ask her? Is that how you

7:44

pronounce it or is it

7:46

one? No, it was one. One.

7:48

I said, I mean, let me

7:51

get this right. You just

7:53

wake up every day and you're

7:55

winning. You're in a constant

7:57

state of winning because hey.

7:59

You won't? She's like, exactly. You

8:02

could not have met a more

8:04

bubbly happy person. And working at

8:06

a convenience store with that kind

8:08

of attitude. One. She won. You

8:10

lost. Sorry, Zach. Yeah, that's a

8:12

good name. All right, so Zach,

8:14

I expect your next child to

8:16

be one dasher. There's no more

8:19

next child for me. Have you

8:21

ever met anyone named one? I

8:23

don't think so. There was a

8:25

girl that I used to be

8:27

infatuated with on Star Trek and

8:29

her name was seven. Yeah, well,

8:31

her name was seven of nine.

8:33

There were nine in her little

8:36

board cluster. That's great, but one

8:38

is better. It's better. So before,

8:40

but Jay's, but my point was

8:42

about how it relates to the

8:44

Bible though. is because ever you

8:46

know it's like you get into

8:48

these passages it's like you know

8:50

God chose us from the beginning

8:53

of the world you know and

8:55

it's that concept when you see

8:57

how parents were thinking I want

8:59

my child to remember you know

9:01

they won just by being here

9:03

you won yeah I just you

9:05

can kind of see their mind

9:07

working in that I like it

9:09

is positive you're exactly right no

9:12

matter where you work if you've

9:14

won or if you're winning or

9:16

if you're winning Not even working,

9:18

I mean if you just, you

9:20

got up out of bed. You

9:22

took two steps, I'm one. I

9:24

embody one, I want. That's pretty

9:26

good. I like it. So one

9:29

other thing I thought about your

9:31

giant book and said there is

9:33

another way you can use it

9:35

because I used one about half

9:37

that size one time, but it's,

9:39

so you only get one shot

9:41

one shot to do this, if

9:43

you ever do this, if you

9:46

ever do this. And I'm not

9:48

I'm saying do this with trepidation

9:50

and caution. But I read somewhere,

9:52

Lisa had a gangly insist. Are

9:54

you aware of a gangly insist?

9:56

No. It's on your wrist. It

9:58

comes up on your wrist, kind

10:00

of on the top of your

10:03

hand, on your wrist. And it's

10:05

just a little thing that holds

10:07

fluid. And so she was trying

10:09

to figure, you know, she didn't

10:11

like it being there, it was

10:13

just a little knot on there.

10:15

And she was like, you know,

10:17

what can I do? She was

10:20

talking about going to the doctor.

10:22

I go into the doctor. And

10:24

someone would just slam the Bible

10:26

down and burst the cyst because

10:28

it's just a fluid sack inside

10:30

your wrist. Well, I didn't tell

10:32

Lisa this because I knew she

10:34

would be cautious about this procedure.

10:36

So one day she just said,

10:39

let me see that thing and

10:41

she lays her hand down. It's

10:43

kind of like I used to

10:45

do my kids about pulling their

10:47

teeth. Let me just, let me

10:49

see this for a second, put

10:51

your hand out flat. So I

10:53

had the dictionary off kind of

10:56

out of sight. And then one

10:58

quick Ninja Light move, I just

11:00

took the dictionary and wham, right

11:02

on top of her hand and

11:04

I burst the cyst. So it

11:06

was mission accomplished. But the. the

11:08

exclamation that came out of her

11:10

it wasn't she didn't curse but

11:13

there were many words leveled at

11:15

me they were not appreciative of

11:17

my procedure and so it worked

11:19

it did work the old schoolers

11:21

were right but it's a one

11:23

and done because she never like

11:25

it came back by the way

11:27

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11:30

me look at one of the

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11:36

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that's the problem. I mean, I've

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had the same issue and I

13:14

did the same exact research, but

13:17

I went a little further in

13:19

the research to the medical doctors

13:21

that said, don't do that. So

13:23

I never, yeah, I didn't, I

13:25

didn't just read the American book

13:27

war. I went a little, little

13:29

step deeper. I got on a

13:32

little website on WebMD, there's some,

13:34

you know, the Mayo clinic. So

13:36

you're saying they have now debunked

13:38

my, my, my theory. Okay. your

13:40

hand with the Bible. So don't

13:42

do that. I'm saying it's probably

13:44

bad for your marriage as well.

13:47

So don't, don't, don't. That's where

13:49

the phrase Biblebanger came from. Was

13:51

that? Really? You may look that

13:53

up? I did look up my

13:55

first word and this explains why

13:57

it's so big. because on the

13:59

cover of it it says unabridged

14:02

I wasn't I didn't have the

14:04

definition of that at the ready

14:06

yeah and so I looked it

14:08

up in my new dictionary and

14:10

it says not shortened complete so

14:12

that's the reason it's so big

14:14

you say it's not short well

14:17

I mean why would you put

14:19

that on the front of your

14:21

dictionary Well you know there's there's

14:23

a hundred and there's around a

14:25

hundred and I don't know 60,

14:27

70,000 words in the English language.

14:29

I don't know. I learned this

14:32

whenever I took a Hebrew class

14:34

and and I was doing a

14:36

master's program that I never finished

14:38

but I took a Hebrew class

14:40

in Hebrew studies and the Hebrew

14:42

language originally only has like I'm

14:44

probably gonna butcher this now but

14:46

I think it's around 8,000 words.

14:49

English language. That's one of the

14:51

difficulties that we have sometimes in

14:53

interpreting stuff out of the original

14:55

Hebrew in the Old Testament because

14:57

we have so many words compared

14:59

to just 8,000 words like 170

15:01

versus 8,000. So we have like,

15:04

they may have a word that

15:06

has a lot of different meanings

15:08

to it that you gotta kind

15:10

of. Play with it. I don't

15:12

know. I don't know if I'm

15:14

exactly accurate, but it's somewhere around

15:16

what I said. Listen to this.

15:19

Now I looked it up to

15:21

check you. You said a hundred

15:23

and what what did you say?

15:25

I said a hundred and sixty

15:27

to a hundred and seventy thousand.

15:29

Webster's third new international dictionary, I

15:31

just googled how many words are

15:34

in the English language. This was

15:36

1950. includes 470,000 words. So you

15:38

were close. Not really. You only

15:40

missed about 300,000. Where did you

15:42

look this up? I'm gonna look

15:44

it up now on my, oh

15:46

boy. See, here we go, that's

15:49

why. I mean, this is- Did

15:51

you Google it? Yeah, Google it

15:53

was a problem. Google's over. We're

15:55

not doing it. No, I didn't

15:57

Google it. I just typed it

15:59

in and AI sent me to

16:01

Merriam-Webster Dictionary. Yeah, exactly. That's the

16:03

Google AI. You need to go

16:06

to, like, go to ChatGPT or

16:08

something. I love it. How man

16:10

just starts arguing with the very

16:12

thing that he's put all his

16:14

hope and trust? How many words

16:16

are in the English language? Okay,

16:18

see, that's interesting. That's interesting. Estimating

16:21

the exact number of words in

16:23

the English language is difficult, which

16:25

we would agree, but it's generally

16:27

accepted that there are roughly a

16:29

hundred and seventy thousand words in

16:31

current use with an additional forty

16:33

seven thousand obsolete words and potentially

16:36

over a million total word forms.

16:38

So I have some effort. I

16:40

hold in my hand evidence that

16:42

you are wrong. There are more

16:44

than a hundred and seven thousand

16:46

words in here. So, maybe different.

16:48

Maybe there's different. Yeah, it's, it's

16:51

hard. We don't know. The point

16:53

I was making, Jay's, is that

16:55

there was a lot more words

16:57

in the English language. Well I

16:59

got 470,000 of them right here,

17:01

six inches from me. What was

17:03

your, what was your search? I'm

17:06

just curious how you're searching. Well

17:08

I wasn't searching my dictionary, it

17:10

just, it took me to, uh,

17:12

but you asked the same question

17:14

I asked. I said how many

17:16

words are in the English dictionary.

17:18

No, no, no, no, I put

17:21

English language, but I think these

17:23

computers have spies now. And it

17:25

heard me talking about the dictionary

17:27

and it just put up. I

17:29

didn't know what it was. I

17:31

just saw it said how many

17:33

words are in the English language

17:35

and the first thing that popped

17:38

up. as I was typing I

17:40

clicked on it it finished the

17:42

sentence for me and it sent

17:44

me to Webster's what I've got

17:46

I mean I just I just

17:48

redefined my search how many words

17:50

in the English dictionary and it

17:53

has anywhere from 176 I mean

17:55

that's all over the place the

17:57

moral the story is you can't

17:59

believe what you read on the

18:01

internet I knew this would wind

18:03

up in a redneck conspiracy at

18:05

some point. It all starts with

18:08

a three-foot thick book. And here

18:10

we go. How many words are

18:12

in John? Are we in John

18:14

6 yet? I think we're in

18:16

John 5. That's what I thought.

18:18

He said John's fix. That's a

18:20

big one when we get there.

18:23

We're eventually going to get there,

18:25

but I doubt it'll be on

18:27

this podcast. But now we still

18:29

got a little work to do

18:31

and a little thing called the

18:33

back half of John 5. Zach.

18:35

We didn't quite complete that on

18:38

the last podcast. One of your

18:40

favorite verses that you quote all

18:42

the time, we hadn't even dealt

18:44

with yet. Which is about the,

18:46

you put your trust in the

18:48

scriptures in the scriptures. Yeah. And

18:50

you missed Jesus, which we'll talk

18:52

about it. in John 5. We

18:55

talked about, we started after he

18:57

does this healing and then we

18:59

get into this Sabbath because, you

19:01

know, Jesus doesn't do things by

19:03

accident and we talked about there

19:05

are multiple in the other Gospels

19:07

as well, healings that are done

19:10

on the Sabbath and other things

19:12

that he's asserting his lordship. He

19:14

did the same thing with the

19:16

temple back in John 2. Now

19:18

it's going to be the Sabbath,

19:20

which is really dealing as much

19:22

with law as anything. He could

19:25

have dealt with any of it.

19:27

The Sabbath is one of those

19:29

things that the Pharisees took and

19:31

the teachers of the law and

19:33

they just expanded it You know

19:35

and just made up a lot

19:37

of their own stuff and this

19:40

stuff like to the people are

19:42

there These are these are offenses

19:44

that put you in court. I

19:46

mean these are things that get

19:48

you into trouble You know if

19:50

you break him. So he he's

19:52

showing his lordship over the over

19:55

this and so that becomes part

19:57

of his description. And we picked

19:59

it up in verse 19 through

20:01

30, and we talked about these

20:03

claims that he makes, which are

20:05

pretty amazing, because he decides to

20:07

just jump on into it with

20:10

this crowd that's here. And he

20:12

says, the son of man is

20:14

equal with God. He's a giver

20:16

of life. He's a judge. He's

20:18

the ultimate determiner of destiny. I

20:20

mean, that's a huge claim. He

20:22

says he'll raise the dad. You

20:24

know, he says that in 25

20:27

to 29. And then I made

20:29

the point that actually, Chuck's one

20:31

doll made in verse 30. All

20:33

this time he's been saying, son

20:35

of man. And then he just

20:37

goes ahead and says, and by

20:39

the way, I am the son

20:42

of man. I mean, this is

20:44

me. I'm the one doing this.

20:46

So he says he's always doing

20:48

the well of God. So that

20:50

got us down to verse 31,

20:52

which now he's going to do

20:54

what any good Jewish law person

20:57

would do, is he's going to

20:59

say there's a lot of testimony.

21:01

That backs up these claims that

21:03

I made and so he's going

21:05

to hit several of those in

21:07

this next text So that kind

21:09

of catches is up. Does that

21:12

is that suffice for from you

21:14

guys as to where we are?

21:16

Yeah, I could sign off on

21:18

that. I've slept since then so

21:20

I'm going to take your word

21:22

for that's it So I will

21:24

say this, and the text is

21:27

due to Romney 17, 6, and

21:29

also 1915, that there is Jewish

21:31

law that there had to be

21:33

at least two or more witnesses

21:35

in any sort of... civil or

21:37

criminal situation. In other words, you

21:39

can't just say, well, one person

21:41

said they saw this. The Jewish

21:44

law was based on the idea

21:46

of more than one. So I

21:48

think that's part of what Jesus

21:50

is doing here by bringing up

21:52

these multiple witnesses that basically defend

21:54

who he is. And I'll just

21:56

lay out what they are. And

21:59

then, I don't know, Jay's, you

22:01

got glasses. Can you read the

22:03

text? Then I don't know. I

22:05

can read it. I think I'm

22:07

going to read it. start in

22:09

verse 31 to read to the

22:11

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this thing kind of creeping me

22:16

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22:18

listening oh it's a word technically

22:20

sharing Jesus to some kind of

22:22

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22:24

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24:01

If I testify about myself, my

24:04

testimony is not true, which is

24:06

an interesting statement. There is another

24:08

who testifies in my favor, and

24:10

I know that his testimony about

24:13

me is true. You have sent

24:15

to John, and he has testified

24:17

to the truth. Not that I

24:19

accept human testimony, but I mention

24:22

that you may be saved. John

24:24

was a lamp that Bernie gave

24:26

light and you chose for a

24:28

time to enjoy his light. I

24:30

have testimony weightier than that of

24:33

John, for the works that the

24:35

father has given me to finish,

24:37

the very works that I'm doing,

24:39

testify that the father has sent

24:42

me. And the father who sent

24:44

me has himself testified concerning me.

24:46

You've never heard his voice nor

24:48

seen his form, nor does his

24:51

word dwell in you. Ooh, this

24:53

is getting uncomfortable for his listeners.

24:55

But you do not believe the

24:57

one he sent. You study the

25:00

scriptures diligently because you think that

25:02

in them you have eternal life.

25:04

This is getting really uncomfortable. These

25:06

are the very scriptures that testify

25:09

about me, yet you refuse to

25:11

come to me to have life.

25:13

I do not accept glory from

25:15

human beings. That's another quite a

25:17

statement. But I know you. I

25:20

know that you do not have

25:22

the love of God in your

25:24

hearts. I have come in my

25:26

father's name and you do not

25:29

accept me, but if someone else

25:31

comes in his own name, you'll

25:33

accept him. How can you believe

25:35

since you accept glory from one

25:38

another, but do not seek the

25:40

glory that comes from the only

25:42

God? But do not think I

25:44

will accuse you before the father.

25:47

Your accuser is Moses, on whom

25:49

your hopes are set. If you

25:51

believe Moses, you would believe me,

25:53

for he wrote about me. But

25:56

since you do not believe what

25:58

he wrote, how are you going

26:00

to believe what I say? So

26:02

by my count days that's five

26:05

well six if you include Jesus

26:07

himself but that's five witnesses beyond

26:09

Jesus's own testimony which so he's

26:11

making quite the case you've got

26:13

God the father who he mentions

26:16

in two different places there is

26:18

also witness of this but you

26:20

know they're like yeah right you

26:22

know Yauway is your is your

26:25

witness but then he mentions John

26:27

the Baptist again and then he

26:29

mentions the scriptures themselves themselves Which

26:31

by the way, that's more than

26:34

just prophecy, that's prophecy, that's law,

26:36

that's history, that's all of it.

26:38

And then he mentions the works

26:40

in verse 36, his own signs

26:43

in Iraq, in other words, how

26:45

is he able to do these

26:47

things? And then finally Moses. So

26:49

by my count, that's five separate

26:52

witnesses that Jesus is who he

26:54

says he is. I mean, that's

26:56

the case that he's making to

26:58

the folks here. Well, and then

27:01

the side point is, is these

27:03

people that he was talking to.

27:05

They touted themselves on how well

27:07

they knew the Torah, you brought

27:09

the Torah, the law, and the

27:12

scriptures. Right. So, and now, I

27:14

mean, he's, they're throwing people under

27:16

the bus. I mean, he's speaking

27:18

the truth and love, I guess.

27:21

I mean, I don't guess, I

27:23

guess he is, but for them

27:25

to hear that would have enraged

27:27

them. Because he's like, you think

27:30

studying the scriptures, you're going to

27:32

have eternal life. Well, who wouldn't

27:34

agree with that even today? You

27:36

know, that's, but he's, the scriptures

27:39

he's talking about obviously are in

27:41

the Old Testament because they didn't

27:43

have the New Testament or even

27:45

what we're reading here. So I

27:48

think that's why they got so

27:50

angry. And, you know, I think

27:52

one thing that that we haven't

27:54

said is they're like, well. What

27:57

are you saying that Moses talked

27:59

about you? I mean,

28:01

do you think they made that

28:03

connection? They went that far? Well,

28:05

I think that, yeah, I think

28:07

they wouldn't have, don't you? I

28:09

mean, I think they, they wouldn't,

28:11

I thought it was him, yeah.

28:13

No, no, they would, but because

28:15

you think about, like, going back

28:17

to even that, the road to

28:19

Mayas, I mean, this is post-resirection

28:21

of Jesus in Luke 24, I

28:24

think it's, look 24. Yeah, I

28:26

actually just went there, so you

28:28

can go ahead, we were thinking,

28:30

we were thinking a like, Yeah,

28:32

it's like, so that, I mean,

28:34

you, people can't see it. Like,

28:36

someone, someone, someone called me the

28:38

day and asked me a question

28:40

about particular geopolitical issue, and they're

28:42

like, like, do you think people,

28:44

like, see that Jesus is the

28:46

Messiah, like, that don't, like, how

28:48

can they read the Old Testament

28:50

and not see it? And I

28:52

think the Bible's pretty clear, and

28:54

you'll see this again in the,

28:56

in the, in the next chapter

28:58

of John, And so I don't

29:00

think they really understood what Jesus

29:03

was. I mean, they knew they

29:05

knew he was upsetting the apple

29:07

cart. I don't think they really

29:09

understood the depths of what he

29:11

was talking about. They did know

29:13

that he was definitely a threat

29:15

to their power structure, because that's

29:17

why they tried to kill him.

29:19

But he's essentially taking all of

29:21

the things that they would hold

29:23

up. Because when you said Moses,

29:25

I mean, another way of thinking

29:27

about Moses is thinking of him

29:29

as a prophet, right? They, they,

29:31

they kind of worshipped the worship

29:33

the prophets the prophets the prophets

29:35

the prophets. You know what I

29:37

mean? In fact, with Jesus... Well

29:39

that comes up in the next

29:42

chapter. They're like, oh okay, we

29:44

can see your prophet. I think

29:46

that's... Deuteronomy, I'll look it up.

29:48

His Deuteronomy, 1815. Yeah, but you

29:50

got script, the scripture, the five

29:52

things you mentioned, the scripture, the

29:54

miracles, the father, Moses, what was

29:56

the fifth one? I can't remember

29:58

what you said. His works, his

30:00

signs and his works. All the

30:02

things that would point as that

30:04

would testify to what Jesus is

30:06

saying, It just so happens to

30:08

be they claim to hold all

30:10

of those things in very high

30:12

regard. But the problem is, is

30:14

they can't see that, they can't

30:16

see how they, they're all pointing

30:18

to Jesus. I wanted to bring

30:20

this up. So, because you were

30:23

thinking the road to Emmaus in

30:25

Luke 24, I was thinking later

30:27

on in Luke 24, when, remember

30:29

when he showed him his hands

30:31

in his feet, this is in

30:33

verse 40, and while they still

30:35

not, they still didn't believe because

30:37

of joy and amazement, because they're

30:39

looking at a guy who was

30:41

dead, and he's like, yeah. The

30:43

reason this got my attention, because

30:45

I think what we're reading in

30:47

John 5 is fixing to leak

30:49

over into John 6. Correct. And

30:51

we tend to categorize everything because

30:53

somebody put a number there. Yeah.

30:55

But because he's going to give

30:57

this illustration of, you know, where

30:59

he fed the 5,000, which was

31:02

basically a fulfillment of the mana.

31:04

in the wilderness. I mean that

31:06

is that is what goes along

31:08

with that. Yeah. And so because

31:10

he just said Moses you know

31:12

you don't believe what Moses said

31:14

about me. Well I think it's

31:16

interesting in Luke 24 after he's

31:18

showing hands and feet and they

31:20

still didn't believe it. Then he

31:22

says do you have anything here

31:24

to eat? So because you know

31:26

dead men don't eat but but

31:28

it's also... I think this idea

31:30

from manna from heaven, I'm the

31:32

bread of life, yeah, feed on

31:34

me kind of thing that we'll

31:36

get into, but so they gave

31:38

him a piece of broad fish

31:40

and he took it and ate

31:43

it in their presence. So, which

31:45

it's like drama filled to me,

31:47

you know, there's in there watching

31:49

a guy who was dead slowly

31:51

eating or maybe he's eating it

31:53

quick. I don't know. Eat a

31:55

piece of fish. I mean, that's

31:57

drama to me. And then he's

31:59

while he's eating the fish He

32:01

said to them this is what

32:03

I told you while I was

32:05

with you everything everything must be

32:07

fulfilled that is written about me

32:09

in the law of Moses the

32:11

prophets and the Psalms. So it's

32:13

like they don't even believe it

32:15

when they're looking at him but

32:17

he goes back yeah he goes

32:19

back to the same argument he's

32:22

like yeah remember that time when

32:24

Moses and David wrote the Psalms

32:26

and the prophets were prophesied Yeah,

32:28

I fulfilled all the things they

32:30

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tie back to John 5. He

34:35

says, you study the scriptures, like

34:37

you study them, you know the scriptures,

34:39

Old Testament scriptures, you study them

34:41

diligently, and by them you think you're

34:44

saved, yet you missed me, the one

34:46

they point to. So when you

34:48

go to Luke 24, that's exactly what

34:50

he does. He does the same

34:52

thing with his disciples in Luke 24,

34:55

as you just mentioned, but if

34:57

you back up a little bit. when

34:59

he comes up on the two guys,

35:02

you know, on the road to

35:04

Emmaus, and they're pretty distraught over the

35:06

fact that Jesus had died, and

35:08

he said, hey, what, like, what's wrong

35:10

with you guys? And they're like, have

35:13

you not heard? Have you been

35:15

under a rock? You know, he actually

35:17

was in Iraq for three days.

35:19

But have you been, like, where have

35:21

you been for the last three days?

35:24

Have you not heard what's happened

35:26

in town in town? And they say

35:28

this weird thing. Shows what they

35:30

were thinking, but we had hoped that

35:32

he was the one to redeem

35:34

Israel. Jesus died But we hoped that

35:37

he was the one to redeem Israel

35:39

But now he's dead. He's been

35:41

he's been dead for for three days

35:43

now You skip down a little

35:45

bit. Jesus says this in verse 25

35:48

and he said to them oh foolish

35:50

ones and slow of heart To

35:52

believe all that the prophets have spoken

35:54

But you didn't understand what was

35:56

written in the scriptures as what Jesus

35:59

is saying here. Was it not necessary

36:01

that the Christ should suffer these

36:03

things? and enter into his glory. And

36:05

beginning with Moses, going back to

36:07

John 5, and all the prophets, he

36:10

interpreted to them in all the

36:12

scriptures, what scriptures. the Old Testament, the

36:14

things concerning himself. And then when Jesus

36:16

left their presence, they had a

36:18

conversation with himself in verse 32, and

36:21

they said, did not our hearts

36:23

burn within us while he talked to

36:25

us on the road, while he opened

36:27

to us the scripture? Then he

36:29

goes into that room and has the

36:32

conversation you were just talking about,

36:34

Chase, but listen to what it says

36:36

in verse 45. Then he opened their

36:39

minds. to understand the scriptures, what

36:41

scriptures, the Old Testament, and said to

36:43

them, Thus it is written that

36:45

the Christ should suffer and on the

36:47

third day rise from the dead,

36:49

and that repentance for forgiveness of sins

36:52

should be proclaimed in his name, to

36:54

who, to all nations beginning in

36:56

Israel. He said, well, what does that

36:58

sound like? It sounds a whole

37:00

lot like the great commission, which Jesus

37:03

gave at the end of Matthew, when

37:05

he said, all authority on heaven

37:07

and earth has been given to me.

37:09

Now go make disciples going back

37:11

to. where to get the authority from

37:14

when he appeared before the ancient of

37:16

days which is prophesied about Daniel

37:18

7 which is the phrase son of

37:20

man which is mentioned in John

37:22

5 so it all these things are

37:25

present here in this moment and

37:27

Jesus is like cutting through all of

37:29

the minutiae in the religion and he's

37:31

testifying that the king the king

37:33

is here the king you guys are

37:36

you're not seeing you're not seeing

37:38

me because I'll give you one more

37:40

zag that happened before what you just

37:42

read and that was the of

37:44

Transfiguration, which was a little inside PowerPoint

37:47

presentation of Jesus, Moses, and Elijah,

37:49

the same culmination of glory that all

37:51

are brought together in him. And yet

37:53

they actually showed up for the

37:55

party. So and that was just a

37:58

private. That was just Peter James

38:00

and John, but those were going to

38:02

be the three leaders of the

38:04

new church going forward. So they need

38:07

to know what they were talking about.

38:09

I think that's why they got

38:11

the inside look of exactly what you

38:13

just described. They couldn't see Jesus

38:15

because of the scriptures ironically. They could

38:18

not see him because they couldn't see

38:20

him. And my point is I

38:22

think that what we'll learn next is

38:24

you can't see Jesus until Jesus

38:26

says, hey, here I am. I mean,

38:29

like, this is, that is the,

38:31

that is the motif of, of the

38:33

Barotoamaeus. They did not understand the scriptures

38:35

until Jesus opened their mind to

38:37

it. And so I think that that's,

38:40

you'll see that play out in

38:42

John 6. And so the question you

38:44

got to ask yourself is like, I

38:46

want God to show me. I'm

38:48

asking for revelation. I want to see

38:51

him. I don't want to just

38:53

to just terminate. And on itself, and

38:55

I think a lot of times we

38:57

don't want to see Jesus, because

38:59

we don't want to see that the

39:02

Savior is going to suffer, because

39:04

we don't want to suffer. And the

39:06

gospel is centered in a suffering

39:08

Savior who dies on a cross, but

39:10

he does die on a cross. He

39:13

does suffer. And that's why that

39:15

last thing that Jesus said before, one

39:17

of the last things he said

39:19

before he died, he said, my God,

39:21

my God, why have you forsaken me?

39:24

But do you remember what they

39:26

thought he was saying? They thought he

39:28

was calling out to the prophets.

39:30

They thought he was calling out to

39:32

Elijah because it kind of sounds the

39:35

same. And I think that's really

39:37

ironic because he was actually crying out

39:39

to God and they had made

39:41

the prophets their God really. That's what

39:44

they'd done with the scriptures. They'd

39:46

made the scriptures their God. And in

39:48

that last moment in Jesus' life, when

39:50

he's crying out to his father,

39:52

they actually think he's crying out to

39:55

the prophets. It's kind of a

39:57

weird irony. I know it was a,

39:59

that's what they heard, but I think

40:01

it's what they wanted to hear.

40:03

Because to them, that was their God.

40:06

But it's because it was though,

40:08

I think you're missing one leg of

40:10

the puzzle. Because I think their status

40:12

with God was based on who

40:14

the smartest person in the scriptures would

40:17

be. That's how their leadership worked.

40:19

Yeah. So it's like, well, we do

40:21

the same thing today. I mean,

40:23

just think how much we argue about

40:25

scriptures. And every little detail, how much

40:28

you know and are becoming in

40:30

the scholarly world. And meanwhile, it's very

40:32

easy when you get into that

40:34

kind of trying to win that battle.

40:36

You're missing Jesus. So Jay's, Jay's, let

40:39

me read this because you just

40:41

made such a good point. And this

40:43

is what Enti Wright said in

40:45

his book. This is John for everyone,

40:47

which is one of the things I've

40:50

been reading. Listen to what he

40:52

said to back up what Jay's just

40:54

said. It is possible to allow

40:56

the study of the text. to become

40:58

a substitute for allowing the text

41:00

to bring us into the presence of

41:03

the living God. It is deceptively easy

41:05

to know everything about the Jewish

41:07

hope for the Messiah and not to

41:10

know the Messiah himself in person.

41:12

And it is all too simple. Indeed,

41:14

sometimes our academic institutions and seminars encourage

41:16

it. to use our knowledge and

41:18

intellectual ability to gain status and prestige

41:21

among our colleagues or among those

41:23

who belong to the same part of

41:25

our party within the church as we

41:27

do. This is as true today

41:29

as it was in Jesus' day. And

41:32

I think that's such a smart

41:34

point. That was a better way to

41:36

put what I was saying, but

41:38

that's what I agree with completely. I

41:40

mean, I think that's They were looking

41:43

at him like, we know this

41:45

like the back of our hands and

41:47

it doesn't include you. I mean,

41:49

you're, who are you? Where did you

41:51

get your degree? Where did you study?

41:54

You know? Which is amazing when

41:56

you think about, remember when Jesus when

41:58

he was a kid, even when

42:00

he was a kid? 12 years old.

42:02

He said, I'm, I gotta do my

42:05

father's business, which he echoed in

42:07

the previous verses of this same chapter

42:09

when he said, I'm working and

42:11

God is working. I mean, he was

42:13

concerned, not concerned. He was obsessed

42:15

with this not being, you know, his

42:18

own thing. That's why he just said

42:20

this, this, this, I'm not. I'm

42:22

not even trying to give you, you

42:24

know, testifying about myself because it's

42:26

not valid. I'm testifying on behalf of

42:29

my father. Plus, you know, what's interesting,

42:31

Jay, is about that is he

42:33

at 12, he said, why would you

42:35

be surprised? Did you know I'd

42:38

be in my father's house? So he

42:40

was still articulating the Jewish concept, which,

42:42

you know, had been from God,

42:44

that this was the house of God.

42:47

This was the only place the

42:49

presence of God was going to be.

42:51

I'll be at very temporary. So

42:53

he hadn't even begun to then reveal

42:55

what he was going to reveal as

42:58

a adult that we're reading about

43:00

now. which is very interesting to me.

43:02

I mean, he was he was

43:04

true all the way through. You know,

43:06

I play, you know, it plays out

43:09

too. I was thinking of like

43:11

the way I grew up and you

43:13

guys kind of grew up similar

43:15

at different points of our life because

43:17

we grew up in the same kind

43:20

of tradition of faith. I had

43:22

this conversation with my granddad when he

43:24

was probably 15 years ago. And

43:26

One of the things that we were

43:28

talking about was, what does it

43:30

mean to be a Christian? And he

43:33

said, you know, or how do you,

43:35

or how, actually, how do you

43:37

get to get to heaven? And he

43:39

said, well, you got to obey

43:41

the gospel, which is in the Bible,

43:44

by the way, you know, I think,

43:46

what, second, thessalonians, chapter one. But

43:48

I asked the question to him. I

43:50

said, well, what does that mean?

43:52

So what is the gospel? And he

43:55

said, it's the Bible. to go to

43:57

heaven. He said, that's right. I

43:59

said, do you do that? He said,

44:01

I do. I said, do you

44:03

do it completely? He's like, well, no,

44:06

but and he didn't have a

44:08

framework, but his, like, in his system,

44:10

it was that everything that he was

44:13

trying to accomplish was, we got

44:15

to make sure that our worship is,

44:17

is, everything's got to be like,

44:19

it was like a formula, and the

44:21

way that he interpreted the Bible was

44:24

a rule book, here's the rule

44:26

book that on how you're supposed to

44:28

how you're supposed to do everything.

44:30

And then that's what it was. And

44:32

then being right with God meant I'm

44:35

going to do all the right

44:37

things. But I was like, but you're

44:39

missing the bigger picture about this

44:41

is a story that we're being invited

44:43

into, into participate in a life

44:45

with Jesus who takes us into the

44:48

divine life, into the divine nature of

44:50

the Father, Son, and spirit. I

44:52

think that's the big thing here and

44:54

I think that's what Jesus is

44:56

getting at here. You're looking at the

44:59

scriptures and you think there's some kind

45:01

of formula in here for you

45:03

to be saved or you're looking at

45:05

the miracles and you're thinking there's

45:07

something in that for you. But these

45:10

are all testifying to me. So don't

45:12

let your worship terminate on the

45:14

things that I've given you to reveal

45:16

myself. Let those be the conduits

45:18

for you to come to me. And

45:21

that happens I think in all

45:23

of religious circles and no matter what

45:25

kind of denomination you grew up in,

45:27

I mean this is kind of

45:29

what we do as humans. We want

45:32

to box God in in this

45:34

way. So

45:37

Zach, you know, I think a

45:39

lot of times when people think

45:41

about martyrs and think about persecuted

45:43

Christians, a lot of people that

45:45

aren't paying attention think that was

45:47

just something of the past. Yeah,

45:49

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45:52

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46:11

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47:12

that's true. And you know, it's

47:14

like one quote I read it

47:16

said, you're looking at the right

47:18

book, but you're reading it the

47:20

wrong way. And I think, you

47:22

know, that's still true today. It's

47:24

interesting, Jay, because you teased ahead

47:26

where we're going, and I think

47:29

you're so right that there's all

47:31

these pictures that Jesus is using

47:33

and living that's going to strike

47:35

into the Jewish mindset about coming

47:37

out of Egypt, out of slavery

47:39

into something new. which is kind

47:41

of what he's preparing them to

47:43

do. And you know, as you

47:45

can see in our text, there's,

47:47

I call it a fault line

47:50

this beginning to grow in the

47:52

book of John and it's going

47:54

to get, I mean, by the

47:56

time we get to John 8,

47:58

it's going to be very clear.

48:00

Those who just don't believe him

48:02

and don't believe he is who

48:04

he said he is versus those

48:06

who are. with believing it, but

48:08

then they trust in him, which

48:11

is the disciples. You know, they

48:13

don't understand a lot about what's

48:15

what he's saying or what's going

48:17

on, but they believe in him.

48:19

I mean, that's why they're still

48:21

there. Some of these other folks,

48:23

they should know because as he

48:25

told Nicodemus, you've had all the

48:27

history, you understand exactly why I'm

48:29

supposed to be here, and yet

48:31

you won't believe that I'm the

48:34

one that God is sent, that

48:36

I am God. And so that

48:38

was the fault line and this

48:40

this grows further and I think

48:42

you saw that even in that

48:44

original group that came out of

48:46

Egypt because you remember right when

48:48

they got you know near the

48:50

promise land you remember that most

48:52

of them said no we can't

48:55

do it and they're too big

48:57

they're giants you know we're better

48:59

off just going back to Egypt

49:01

and then Joshua and Caleb were

49:03

like this new mindset that said

49:05

no I mean God says this

49:07

is what we're supposed to do

49:09

we're forging forward. And so that

49:11

whole other group died in the

49:13

desert, but it was the it

49:16

was the ones who were willing

49:18

to believe in faith. They were

49:20

the ones that actually went into

49:22

the new territory and started Israel.

49:24

That's where he says, he says,

49:26

I'm not, he said, but do

49:28

you think I will not, do

49:30

you think I will accuse you

49:32

before the father? Jesus says this.

49:34

He says, no, your accuser is

49:36

Moses, on whom your hopes are

49:39

set. If you believed Moses, you

49:41

would believe me, for he wrote

49:43

about me, since you do not

49:45

believe what he wrote, how are

49:47

you going to believe what I

49:49

say? And I think it's kind

49:51

of interesting what you said there,

49:53

because if you were to go

49:55

back and read everything that Moses

49:57

wrote and everything that's in the

50:00

Old Testament for that matter, like,

50:02

how would you ever practice that

50:04

right now? Yeah. I mean, you

50:06

can't. There's no temple. There's no

50:08

sacrifice. There's no priest. That's all

50:10

gone. I mean 8070 all that

50:12

went away. So it is kind

50:14

of interesting that like the act

50:16

the accuser is the very thing

50:18

that they had put their hope

50:21

in which was Moses in the

50:23

Mosaic law they'd put their hope

50:25

into that and that was a

50:27

very thing. Jesus is like I'm

50:29

not accusing you, look at your

50:31

own stuff. Like I'm not accusing

50:33

you, you're accused by Moses, the

50:35

one that you hold up above

50:37

the one Moses pointed to. Yeah,

50:39

I think it was a pride

50:41

issue or a hubris issue, which

50:44

I looked up this morning, because

50:46

every time I turn on the

50:48

TV, it's recommended viewing and they

50:50

keep putting duck dynasty out there,

50:52

which is weird. So I finally

50:54

clicked on it today. And there

50:56

was this. huge debate over whether

50:58

we should use hand-carve decoys or

51:00

just cheap cheaper decoys because we

51:02

were putting so many out the

51:05

argument was how would they notice

51:07

in a short the ducks which

51:09

ones were hand-paint I mean you

51:11

know when you if you put

51:13

a thousand decoys out that was

51:15

the but the debate was over

51:17

but anyway they cut to my

51:19

dad and he said I was

51:21

bean. Hubris. And then he's like,

51:23

the Bible says pride comes before

51:26

the fall. I was like, I

51:28

cannot believe my dad said this

51:30

on national television about me. And

51:32

I didn't even know what hubris

51:34

was. I had to look it

51:36

up. Thankfully, I had a dictionary.

51:38

I was like, he was calling

51:40

me prideful. That's why I didn't

51:42

offend me at the time. Because

51:44

you didn't understand what it was.

51:46

I didn't know what that word

51:49

was. When's the last time you

51:51

called someone hubris. But what my

51:53

point is, you gotta think that

51:55

God chose this nation and then

51:57

he's giving them the law and

51:59

they have the scriptures and they're

52:01

basing it all on that. They're

52:03

like, well, we're God's chosen people

52:05

here and we know this like

52:07

the back of our hand. We're

52:10

following all the laws, you know,

52:12

and that's what he was up

52:14

again. I think that means more

52:16

when you look at it like

52:18

that, which is why. I think

52:20

we get to the next stage

52:22

when he goes back to that

52:24

manner and his fulfillment. of that,

52:26

I'm the bread of life. I

52:28

mean, that's the segue here into

52:30

this argument about Moses. And look,

52:33

it goes back to how the

52:35

whole, how John started it. Remember

52:37

when he said in verse 17

52:39

in chapter one, for the law

52:41

was given through Moses, grace and

52:43

truth came through Jesus Christ. So

52:45

he's not saying, look, the law

52:47

was bad. He was saying, it

52:49

led everything including your whole nation

52:51

to me. Yeah, which is why

52:54

I read that about I came

52:56

to fulfill it. That's why I

52:58

always have a problem with people

53:00

going to the Old Testament and

53:02

trying to make practical applications today

53:04

without understanding that Jesus is the

53:06

fulfillment of that. I mean, don't

53:08

miss Jesus in whatever the doctrine

53:10

you've created based on, you know,

53:12

just kind of like we did

53:15

in the valley of the dry

53:17

bones, you know, which is... Yes,

53:19

we're going to be resurrected. We're

53:21

going to get new bodies. But

53:23

he was actually talking about, he's

53:25

going to resurrect his holy nation

53:27

from being unfaithful through one through

53:29

one, which is a common theme

53:31

in the Bible. God would choose

53:33

one for the good of the

53:35

many, which I think is a

53:38

theme in the Bible, which is

53:40

why, you know, when Paul said,

53:42

when Jesus died, all died. Because

53:44

he basically through one saved the

53:46

whole or offered salvation to that.

53:48

Well, isn't it interesting and ironic

53:50

that to back up what you

53:52

just said that God didn't allow

53:54

Moses to go into the promised

53:56

land? I mean, he was alive.

53:59

He was there. He had led

54:01

the people out. But you know,

54:03

why? Because of hubris. He decided

54:05

that Moses was going to get

54:07

right to the edge and go

54:09

up a mountain and see it,

54:11

but it would be Joshua, which

54:13

ironically is the same name we

54:15

could get Jesus from, was the

54:17

one that was going to lead

54:20

them into the new promise. And

54:22

so again, I mean, these things

54:24

are not accidental. It's not, the

54:26

phrase I like is, it's called

54:28

the new exodus language. So when

54:30

you think about what Jesus is

54:32

doing, it's new exodus. And so

54:34

it's an overlay. So when you

54:36

read about Moses, it really is

54:38

like a mirror image of what's

54:40

happening in the, in the New

54:43

Testament, except in the New Testament,

54:45

everything's going to be accomplished. What

54:47

couldn't be accomplished in the original.

54:49

Accidents of God's chosen people will

54:51

now be fully accomplished in Jesus.

54:53

Now we become God's chosen people

54:55

along with Israel. Well, and I

54:57

think got to keep in mind

54:59

the practical application of all this

55:01

is because I'll speak for Zak

55:04

and myself here. You know, we

55:06

have argumentative tendencies. We like to

55:08

argue. Which I heard a good

55:10

joke about that Zuck. I think

55:12

it was NT, right? I was

55:14

listening to a podcast and they

55:16

asked some crazy question About whether

55:18

they had a viewer led question

55:20

and the question was what came

55:22

first? The sin of the sinful

55:25

nature and He said well that

55:27

reminds me of an argument between

55:29

the chicken and the egg and

55:31

he said They basically decided, we're

55:33

here, let's just deal with it.

55:35

Yeah, which reminded me of me

55:37

and you. So I think my

55:39

point is, they're literally, just think

55:41

as a human being, they've been

55:43

given life, they're on the planet

55:45

at a certain specific time, and

55:48

you find yourself arguing. with the

55:50

creator of the universe. You're on

55:52

the wrong side of the argument

55:54

with the creator. Exactly. I think

55:56

of all the terrible things that

55:58

could happen to a human being.

56:00

That has got to be in

56:02

the top 10. I was one

56:04

of the guys who was looking

56:06

at my creator saying, nope, nope,

56:09

you missed it. I understand that.

56:11

Look, I understand that, because I

56:13

brought up that agency while I

56:15

go. I've had people come up

56:17

to me and argue, because they'll

56:19

say, hey, what happened on some

56:21

certain scene? And I don't remember,

56:23

because I don't want us to

56:25

show. I'm like, I created that.

56:27

That was my life. Oh, I

56:30

know I'm right. I don't care

56:32

what they edited or how it

56:34

came across. This is what happened.

56:36

And they're like, nope. Nope. So

56:38

yeah, I watched it. So I

56:40

think we all have to be

56:42

careful when we're studying this. Number

56:44

one, not to miss Jesus. And

56:46

number two, you know, keep an

56:48

open mind that there's a God

56:50

and we're not him. So to

56:53

quote, we'll wrap it there, to

56:55

quote a wise man, pride goes

56:57

before a fall. We don't want

56:59

to, we want to listen to

57:01

the Creator. All right, I think

57:03

we set it up beautifully for

57:05

John Six, so we'll get there

57:07

next time on the show. Stay

57:09

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