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I am unashamed. What about

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you? Welcome back to

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Unashame. We've been studying

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the book of John. We're going

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to get to John's 6 today.

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And I don't know, Jay, she

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said you had a weird night

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leading into your Bible study.

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I've been having a lot

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of weird things happen. I

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told you a couple of

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podcasts ago about a study

0:25

I had with a guy and then

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it's like... He was an employee of

0:30

a guy I knew from a card

0:32

game, you know, and it's like

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that morning they talked about How

0:36

you know you should function in the

0:38

work environment that

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was the sermon And then

0:42

I'm studying Jesus on the

0:44

stairwell with this guy and the

0:47

first person I ever studied with just

0:49

comes walking by you know, it's

0:51

like Man, is this is God

0:53

orchestrating all this way I felt

0:56

well then I had another So

0:58

now I have a couple days

1:00

later, another weird thing,

1:02

because I hadn't studied

1:04

John 6 yet, which

1:06

I knew it was about, I

1:08

knew it was something about,

1:11

you know, isn't that where

1:13

Jesus fed the 5,000? But my

1:15

night, uh, kind of fit in

1:18

with what I was fixing

1:20

to study. So I'll tell you

1:22

about it if you want to

1:24

hear. It's kind of weird.

1:27

I, you know, we're trying to

1:29

help my dad. He's not,

1:31

he's not doing great,

1:33

but, you know, his spirit

1:35

is good. And so, but we're

1:38

trying to, we try to think

1:40

of creative ideas.

1:42

And, you know, we've gone

1:45

public years ago about, we're

1:47

food snobs. And so. It's

1:49

very difficult for someone else to like,

1:51

you know how people gather around. They're

1:53

like, we want to help and we'll

1:56

bring meals, you know, like a meal

1:58

train. They call them a meal train.

2:00

Well that's bad for the Robertson

2:02

family because we're not going to

2:04

like most people's cooking. Yeah, potluck

2:06

was a four-letter word in our

2:08

vocabulary. Yeah, and it's not that

2:10

we're, you know. It's not that

2:13

we think we're better than people.

2:15

It's just that we think we're

2:17

better than people. No. It's funny

2:19

because you think about, yeah, it's

2:21

the, well, a lot of people,

2:24

I mean, I would say most

2:26

people, well. I don't want to

2:28

get too offensive here, but I

2:30

just haven't had a lot of

2:32

good cooking. No, I'll give you

2:35

the line you're looking for. And

2:37

because my wife became a new

2:39

creation in our marriage, and she

2:41

will attest to that. And not

2:43

only with her status with the

2:45

Almighty, but when it comes to

2:48

cooking. And because I wrote a

2:50

book one time, and You know,

2:52

I wish I could rewrite it

2:54

now because I've learned a lot.

2:56

So, you know, most of it's,

2:59

it all came from a pure

3:01

heart, but I'm saying, theologically, I

3:03

think I've come a long way

3:05

since then. But one thing I

3:07

shouldn't have done when I wrote

3:10

that book is I described how

3:12

my wife's family, you know, cooked

3:14

and what I thought about their

3:16

cooking. Hmm. Well, dujace, when they

3:18

read your book. Yeah, this is

3:20

going to cause some problems. Yeah.

3:23

So that took about a year

3:25

to walk through it and get

3:27

feelings were heard, apologies were made,

3:29

checks were written. So, uh, a

3:31

lawyer said that at a card

3:34

game when I, somebody said, are

3:36

they still breaking the law? And

3:38

he's like, look, mistakes were made,

3:40

apologies were given, checks were written.

3:42

We're good. That's what I did.

3:45

That's what I did. That was

3:47

a joke at their base. He

3:49

didn't pay off his in-laws. It's

3:51

okay. But your wife's cooking though.

3:53

Well, what I was going to

3:55

say is my wife famously said

3:58

some people eat to survive. But

4:00

when I became a member of

4:02

the Robertson family, I realized that

4:04

this family survives to eat. Oh,

4:06

that's good. Oh, that's the money

4:09

left. I put that in the

4:11

book if I didn't, I should

4:13

have. That's good though. But so

4:15

which can which can lead to

4:17

you know being ever wait as

4:20

Alan I can. Well by the

4:22

way it's exact you're exactly right

4:24

and I did not with my

4:26

current diet but in past that

4:28

a doctor told me he said

4:31

there's two biblical words you've got

4:33

to practice if you want to

4:35

lose weight and I said biblical

4:37

words he said yeah I said

4:39

well lay it on me because

4:41

I'm a Bible man he's or

4:44

first just repent. You said, you

4:46

know what that word means? I

4:48

said, yep, it means change. He

4:50

said, that's right, you got to

4:52

change your habit. So I got

4:55

that one. He said, and the

4:57

second one is divorce. And I

4:59

was like, whoa, don't know, wait

5:01

a minute. He said, you have

5:03

to divorce your love for food.

5:06

And I said, I'm thinking more

5:08

just like a separation with the

5:10

hope of reconciliation. I don't think

5:12

I can be actively rooting for

5:14

divorce, especially what Jay's just said,

5:16

because we survived to eat. Well,

5:19

I'm going to take issue of

5:21

both of you on that. It's

5:23

not the food. Y'all, y'all, you,

5:25

Zach, see, he immediately went to

5:27

what big people say. And that's,

5:30

it's not that. It's not the

5:32

quality of the food. It's the

5:34

quantity. There's where your problem lies,

5:36

because look, I'm eating at the

5:38

same... I receive that. I receive

5:41

that. I've not received it, Chase,

5:43

but let me say this real

5:45

quick. I mean, the same food

5:47

that I was eating and that

5:49

y'all have been eating. Well, Jay's,

5:51

I swallow a lot of aggression.

5:54

Along with a lot of Johnny's

5:56

pizzas. So I just wanted to

5:58

clarify. Well, go ahead, Zach, make

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your point. Well, I mean, in

6:02

our family, what we do, and

6:05

you guys have been previewed to

6:07

this, is we will have open,

6:09

and I would say even heated,

6:11

and sometimes there's a, there's the

6:13

dialogue turns into shouting over food

6:16

and over different ingredients, such as

6:18

the cheese that I introduced you

6:20

guys to with the burger situation.

6:22

But that's how you- I never

6:24

gave up, I never gave the

6:27

conclusion. Yeah, but I was, what

6:29

is your conclusion? I'm the one

6:31

who ended up, thank you, Sargento

6:33

owners, I ended up with the

6:35

cheese and I did the test,

6:37

I have eaten every slice, they're

6:40

all gone. And there were multiple

6:42

packages that I went through. You

6:44

did the test. I did the

6:46

test. And the test was so-

6:48

I mean like on a scale

6:51

from one to ten you have

6:53

you have your yours was a

6:55

one. What was the test so

6:57

people know what you're talking about?

6:59

It was a it was a

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it was the processed process we

7:04

won't use names but processed cheese

7:06

versus well we can use sargento

7:08

because they sent me a box

7:10

of cheese. They sent us the

7:12

cheese. It's natural American cheese. That's

7:15

what they sent me a hat

7:17

that I've been wearing. It's got

7:19

a lot of good lead to

7:21

a lot of. conversations. Yeah I've

7:23

been wearing that too. Life is

7:26

gooda. Gouda. And you said that

7:28

mine was, my, my recommendation was

7:30

a one? Only because there's no

7:32

number less than one available for

7:34

me. You didn't, you didn't try

7:37

it. I don't believe you. It's

7:39

the way. Oh yeah. It's gone.

7:41

Absolutely hideous. So now we're getting

7:43

really. It was like, you know

7:45

what it, you know what it

7:47

was reminding me of? It's like

7:50

you get something out of a

7:52

package, you know, and you eat

7:54

it which should tell you already

7:56

you're on a dangerous road. And

7:58

then you didn't realize. that whatever

8:01

you were fixed to eat was

8:03

actually still connected to the package

8:05

that it was in and it

8:07

just melted on what you're fixing

8:09

to eat. This is a hypothetical

8:12

situation and then you're eating some

8:14

weird form of plastic. I just

8:16

want to clarify you really did

8:18

do the test. I did the

8:20

test and that's your conclusion. I

8:23

do want to I want to

8:25

say this the work came up

8:27

last podcast hubris. I think this

8:29

there's some kind of hubris. This

8:31

is your pot committed. It's a

8:33

pride issue. There's you can't see

8:36

you cannot admit what you experience

8:38

that so if you really want

8:40

to know what I think I

8:42

think you know your weight issues

8:44

and all that can be attributed

8:47

to you need to go have

8:49

your taste buds analyzed that something

8:51

went wrong. They have a real

8:53

piece of cheese that functions like

8:55

The crap that you're putting on

8:58

on your burger and it's delicious.

9:00

It's fantastic. They may have created

9:02

that. I'm not denying that. Oh,

9:04

they did. So, but you can't

9:06

tell me that what I have

9:08

is what I've created is a

9:11

one. That's not true. I would

9:13

tell one and I would. The

9:15

point is this. I will say

9:17

there have been people that sided

9:19

with Zach in the argument. A

9:22

lot of people, but I don't

9:24

know that they've tried this. natural

9:26

American. That's a different discussion. I

9:28

didn't know about that. I haven't

9:30

tried that. That's a different thing.

9:33

But the people that listen to

9:35

this podcast, they do know. And

9:37

I probably, I mean, but what

9:39

the point is is that if

9:41

you bring potluck or like the

9:43

meal train to the family, the

9:46

problem is that Phil historically has

9:48

been pretty brutal and he openly

9:50

critiques, whatever the cuisine is. So

9:52

there's been some people over the

9:54

years that may or may not

9:57

have gotten their feelings hurt, but

9:59

I don't get my feelings hurt

10:01

when I come in with a,

10:03

with like a, because I expect

10:05

that you, whatever you're bringing to

10:08

the table, it's meant to be

10:10

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10:12

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10:14

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10:16

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12:01

This is how they make great

12:03

football teams. You compete, you could

12:05

critique, and that's how you produce

12:07

something that's better. than average. I've

12:09

heard the next generation jays talk

12:11

about it at our Thanksgiving gatherings

12:13

because you know this our kids

12:16

they love to come up with

12:18

something and try to bring it

12:20

to impress all of us because

12:22

if they ever get the thumbs

12:24

up that this is a Robertson

12:26

favorite then it becomes part of

12:28

the lexicon going forward. It's usually

12:31

a train wreck. You know, do

12:33

you use ideas? It's child and

12:35

heir. Yeah, I did want to

12:37

say something about this too. I

12:39

was trying to pull it up

12:41

here, but I just read this.

12:43

So it made me feel so

12:45

good about our family and our

12:48

relationship, mainly with me and Jay.

12:50

So it made me really feel

12:52

like we were on the right

12:54

road. And the headline was that

12:56

research shows we all should absolutely

12:58

relentlessly roast our friends. They've actually

13:00

done the research now and that

13:03

friends and family members who relentlessly

13:05

roast each other actually have better

13:07

relationships than those who don't. So

13:09

I feel like we actually have

13:11

a very healthy dialogue that we

13:13

can come in here. But to

13:15

show Jason's point is right, Jack,

13:17

when you read that whole thing,

13:20

the word I focused in on

13:22

was roast. Because I love a

13:24

good pot roast. Yeah, you got

13:26

to sear it. You got to

13:28

steer it, put it in those

13:30

flour, hold in those uses, dust

13:32

it in some flowers, sear that

13:34

thing, stick it in. So anyway,

13:37

so that, so that, so I,

13:39

we thought, how can I help

13:41

my dad to get back to

13:43

the story? And so, I don't

13:45

know if it was Missy's idea

13:47

or mine. And I said, why

13:49

don't we just go get some

13:52

crawfish? Boal crawfish. And just having

13:54

an experience. So it was it

13:56

was awesome which I realized crawfish

13:58

are expensive And, uh, you know,

14:00

my head, oh, did he eat

14:02

him? Oh, did he eat him?

14:04

Did you have to pay him

14:06

for him? He paid one. It

14:09

took a while. And, uh, because

14:11

he's just, you know, my dad's

14:13

not clicking on all cylinders, but

14:15

he insisted on paying one. He

14:17

got it done. But, uh, and

14:19

what's funny is he, he, miss,

14:21

he was like, no, I'm gonna

14:24

pay him for you, you know,

14:26

you know, to eat a crawfish.

14:28

When I met her, she wouldn't

14:30

be in the presence of a

14:32

crawfish alive or dead. Well, you've

14:34

made it clear. Missy was freaked

14:36

out by bugs in general. So

14:38

yeah, because now she's peeling crawfish

14:41

for my dad. I mean, it's

14:43

a good daughter-in-law. So it was

14:45

great, just the experience, you know,

14:47

was outside, eating crawfish, and so,

14:49

but anyway. Well, so I do

14:51

that. All right. And so I

14:53

was going to play cards. So

14:55

I stopped at a convenience store

14:58

on the way to play cards.

15:00

And I'm in there and you

15:02

know, I mean, the problem with

15:04

looking like this is you're easily

15:06

recognizable, you know, and you get

15:08

the feeling you're being watched. And

15:10

look, there was this, you know,

15:13

young woman with her daughter, and

15:15

they were kind of looking at

15:17

me like, I think that's a

15:19

duck dynasty guy. I've seen that

15:21

look. Yeah. So I was getting

15:23

some tea I think. So when

15:25

I come back, well, here they

15:27

came. I said, well, here we

15:30

go. And so, because I, I'm

15:32

a little nervous about that, because

15:34

once that down breaks, you know,

15:36

it kind of turns into a

15:38

meet and greet, which is okay,

15:40

because I realize these are moments

15:42

where you can have Jesus conversations.

15:45

Yep. So I went into that

15:47

mode. And to my surprise, this

15:49

woman's like, we don't want anything,

15:51

you know, from, because usually people

15:53

asked for a picture or something

15:55

like that. No one anything, we

15:57

just appreciate y'all's ministry. And I

15:59

thought, well, now, here we go.

16:02

So I started asking a

16:04

few questions. She's like, well, there's

16:06

my husband and my son. They

16:08

were, you know, they came over

16:11

and we kind of had a little

16:13

talk there. And I was like, what

16:15

do y'all do? They like, well,

16:17

we're missionaries. Like, well, how about

16:20

this? You know, and this, isn't this

16:22

cool? So anyway, we had our little

16:24

meat and great. Well, when I

16:27

got over getting all my meat

16:29

and great. I thought these people are

16:31

missionaries so the guy behind the checkout

16:33

I was like you want to do something

16:35

good today which I didn't realize how

16:37

that sounded I guess in the moment

16:39

because he just snapped up and looked

16:41

at me kind of wild-eyed and

16:43

I said I'm gonna see a little family

16:45

there I was like I just met them

16:47

I was like they're really I like how

16:50

they roll I said they are missionaries for

16:52

the Lord Jesus I said which means something

16:54

because I've met a lot of missionaries it

16:56

means they don't have a lot of money

16:59

I said, so you take this $20

17:01

bill, I was trying to assess what

17:03

they had, I figured $20 would cover

17:05

it, which shows you, they ain't

17:08

got a lot of money, you

17:10

know, there's four of them, and

17:12

what they have may not be

17:14

$20. I said, the only problem

17:16

we're going to have is if,

17:19

because they had multiple registers, it's

17:21

that big huge thing on Well

17:23

Road, you know, it's bigger than a

17:25

store. I mean, this place is

17:27

a circus. And I was like, because

17:29

they're in the other line there. So

17:32

if you, I'm going to trust you

17:34

to make this happen. He's like, hey,

17:36

I'm a man of integrity, which

17:38

I thought was interesting for the checkout

17:40

guy to say, he said, I'm a

17:43

man of integrity. And then he said,

17:45

and this is exciting. So I thought,

17:47

great. So as I was leaving, he

17:49

was going over to tell the other

17:52

checkout, you know, that's something whispering in

17:54

his ear. I was like, well, this

17:56

would be good. So I got to do

17:58

that and I'm sure You know, I

18:00

wish I'd have been there to see

18:03

the, oh, you know, if somebody paid

18:05

for, oh, the duck guy you met,

18:07

you know, which was, I thought was,

18:09

was good. I felt good about that.

18:11

So then I played cards and here's

18:14

what's interesting. I won after a few

18:16

hours of the card game. I won

18:18

the amount of money that I had

18:20

just spent on the crawfish and the

18:23

snacks. Don't you find that weird? I

18:25

didn't realize that until I was going

18:27

home. I was like, well, you know,

18:29

I didn't win much. But then I

18:31

thought, well, wait a minute. We did

18:34

two good deeds. You got your deeds

18:36

coming. And I actually got, you know,

18:38

a bunch of heathens to pay for

18:40

it. I mean, this is just... So

18:42

you're saying, if you do the right

18:45

thing, then yeah. Apologies are made checks

18:47

or, yeah. I say I was like

18:49

the prosperity gospel to me. I don't

18:51

know, Jace, but... No, you know what

18:53

it sounds like? You said, well, you

18:56

just got lucky. No, it's like what

18:58

Al said about potluck. That's the problem

19:00

I have when you attach luck with

19:02

food. I'm out. I'm out. I never

19:05

got past the name. Oh, we're having

19:07

a potluck. Everybody's invited. Well, I'm not

19:09

gonna be there. Well that's what dad

19:11

used to say when he talked about

19:13

you know take everything out of the

19:16

refrigerator throat in a pot hey maybe

19:18

we'll get lucky you know that's that

19:20

was that was the way that was

19:22

the way he described it so let

19:24

me tell you this because you talked

19:27

about a weird night so it was

19:29

night before last which was the night

19:31

last night we recorded the podcast a

19:33

couple days ago and I did something

19:35

I'm trying to think if I've ever

19:38

done this before I woke up and

19:40

I was crying like I had tears

19:42

on my face and it was from

19:44

this dream I was having and it

19:46

was about dad you know because you

19:49

know all of us have been concerns

19:51

I pray all the time for him

19:53

and you know for him mom and

19:55

so a lot of times I think

19:58

about it before I go to sleep.

20:00

It was the time I spent with

20:02

the to close out the day, he

20:04

blessed me with. But in my dream,

20:06

President Trump was awarding dad the Presidential

20:09

Medal of Honor, whatever they do for

20:11

civilians. And of course, dad couldn't be

20:13

there. And so we were there, Jay's.

20:15

It was all the boys, and Phyllis

20:17

was there, too. and we were receiving

20:20

it on his behalf and you know

20:22

I rarely remember a dream yeah I've

20:24

dreamed that before and I thought man

20:26

I woke up like what happened it

20:28

was something scary whatever I couldn't remember

20:31

the details but this one was so

20:33

clear but I don't know that I've

20:35

ever like cried in a dream and

20:37

then woke up with actual tears on

20:39

my face have you ever done that?

20:42

I've never done that but that's an

20:44

interesting thought. Yeah, I mean it was

20:46

so it was so impactful to me.

20:48

The dream was I was so proud,

20:51

you know, in the moment that like

20:53

Trump was recognizing dad and look Trump

20:55

said in the in his like thing

20:57

when he was put, you know, giving

20:59

us the metal. He said this man

21:02

shared the gospel with me, you know,

21:04

and I've always remembered it. So he

21:06

says what dad always says about him.

21:08

So I guess that was it. It

21:10

was just it was a weird thing,

21:13

but I mean I've never woke up

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crime before that I can remember. So

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it. I mean it's tough because

22:39

I can't sleep real good. I'm

22:41

having you know weird dreams like

22:43

that too but I can't remember

22:45

what they are. But you know

22:47

I think when you're going through

22:49

just tough times. Yeah emotional thinking

22:51

about and you're praying about it

22:53

you know. So, because Missy and

22:55

I have had this same conversation

22:57

before, you know, you're just kind

22:59

of restless. Even though you feel

23:01

like, hey, everything is, you know,

23:04

we're in God's hands and we're

23:06

doing the best we can. So,

23:08

well, we're in John Six, I

23:10

mean, because then I thought when

23:12

I read John Six, after that

23:14

happened, I thought, it kind of

23:16

opened my eyes, because all that

23:18

was around food. bringing Jesus in

23:20

his qualities into difficult situations. I

23:22

mean, when you think about it,

23:24

that was the opportunities, you know,

23:26

with my dad and with the

23:28

missionaries. Because you know, you just

23:30

think what missionaries do. Because both

23:32

of those things dealing, you know,

23:34

with the health of my, you

23:36

know, mom and dad, and just

23:38

the life of a missionary. I

23:40

mean, that's all about sacrifice. That's

23:42

all it is. I mean, you're...

23:44

It's like even the people, you

23:46

know, when you look at certain

23:48

jobs, like people who work in...

23:51

health care facilities where you know

23:53

with mental patients and or people

23:55

who are just in dire straits.

23:57

I mean you just think they

23:59

do even for their job it's

24:01

just sacrifice. I think the same

24:03

thing about teachers. I mean who

24:05

it because they're obviously not doing

24:07

it for the money in the

24:09

teaching world but to go up

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and let's just say you're a

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kindergarten teacher. You know what your

24:15

life is is about sacrifice? I

24:17

mean who would do this on

24:19

purpose? Same thing with law enforcement

24:21

or you know first responders a

24:23

lot of time. I mean just

24:25

not a lot of money but

24:27

man you talk about just putting

24:29

your life on my life. Yeah

24:31

exactly so which which leads you

24:33

back to the the image of

24:35

Jesus you know and he came

24:38

here humbly and you know I

24:40

thought Zach had a good line

24:42

the other day when it was

24:44

like the whole plan was for

24:46

him to be conquered so that

24:48

everybody could be saved you know

24:50

and and I mean by humans

24:52

to be killed by humans that

24:54

he made because he loved him.

24:56

I mean that that's just you

24:58

know when you start doing Jesus

25:00

stuff that that's where you're getting

25:02

into that road. Which is why

25:04

I mentioned that fault line before

25:06

because Zach mentioned this in the

25:08

last podcast. The first time we

25:10

see this idea that they're wanting

25:12

to kill him comes up here

25:14

in chapter five and that's going

25:16

to continue forward. What were you

25:18

going to say is that? Yeah,

25:20

I was thinking about your story

25:22

about bringing that crawfish to fill

25:25

and because when I went and

25:27

saw him when I was in

25:29

town. It was funny. The first

25:31

thing he asked me, the first

25:33

question he asked me was, did

25:35

you bring any grub? Like he,

25:37

like he, it's interesting now like

25:39

you get it, you get somebody

25:41

outside, you get them, you bring

25:43

the crawfish, there's something about the

25:45

food situation that brings. Like the

25:47

certain degree of human agency and

25:49

I just it's not just a

25:51

utilitarian. I'm just gonna yeah I'm

25:53

not yet I could I could

25:55

hook myself up to an IV

25:57

and feed myself through some kind

25:59

of, you know, feeding two, but

26:01

that's not really what, like, it's

26:03

not that, it's the enjoyment, it's

26:05

the story, it's the, how did

26:07

you make the crawfish? And then

26:09

we went and ran these crawfish

26:11

traps, look at what we got,

26:14

boys, and man, we put, you

26:16

know, we put mushrooms and ours

26:18

and potatoes and all the, it's

26:20

all the story, get around together

26:22

and eat that, and I think

26:24

it's something that Jesus, in John

26:26

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it was and then the celebration of

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that jays is a meal I mean

34:42

you eat that lamb you eat the

34:45

unleavened bread the herbs all the stuff

34:47

that goes with it well and later

34:49

In which you'll introduce this is going

34:52

to come up again in John

34:54

13 We just talked about what

34:56

we call the Lord's Supper now Which

34:58

he introduced at the last

35:00

supper and so it's like When he

35:03

starts making some claims in the

35:05

back end of this this chapter It's

35:07

going to make a lot more sense

35:10

if you look at it from

35:12

their perspective You remember the

35:14

first thing John the Baptist said in

35:16

John too when they when he saw

35:18

him He said, look, look, the land

35:20

of God that takes away the sins

35:23

of the world. So that's why, because

35:25

if you just go to the

35:27

verse where Jesus says, which I'm, you

35:29

know, we'll get to, he's like, unless

35:32

you eat my flesh and drink my

35:34

blood, you'll have no part with

35:36

me. Well, people like, oh, wait a

35:38

minute, I'm out on this. What is

35:40

this, some kind of cannibalism type of

35:42

thing? And you can look up the

35:45

Greek words and say, Well, what did

35:47

he mean by that? But now we're

35:49

giving you the clues to kind of

35:51

wrap your head around what he was

35:53

saying. And Jay sent me give one

35:55

little tease before you go back to

35:57

the text. He mentions the Passover one

35:59

more time. And guess when that is

36:01

when he's about to go into

36:03

Jerusalem and John mentions it three

36:05

times as Jesus is going in

36:08

for the last Passover, which is

36:10

very interesting that he mentioned it

36:12

three times in his book and

36:14

three times at the last time.

36:16

just to show you what was

36:18

was was right before his death

36:20

on cross yeah right because you

36:22

think about he didn't pick the

36:25

day of atonement or the jubilee

36:27

or well you know whatever in

36:29

the cost right yeah he picked

36:31

the passover one of the yeah

36:33

I think one of the things

36:35

happening here too or the you

36:37

think about the the significance of

36:39

how much food was left over

36:42

There was 12 baskets of food

36:44

left over and a lot of

36:46

it. We're going to get there.

36:48

We're going to get okay. I'll

36:50

hold off then. Let me read

36:52

verse five because and now we

36:54

get if you're keeping score, how

36:56

many questions have we had so

36:59

far out that we've written down?

37:01

Four? Yeah, where we just take

37:03

Jesus questions. Now granted, this was

37:05

a kind of a trap question

37:07

because it's John says that and

37:09

this one doesn't seem as profound.

37:11

When I first read it, but

37:13

boy, once I went down a

37:16

rabbit hole or two, this became

37:18

very profound. So, and that's in

37:20

verse five, this will be our

37:22

fifth question if you're keeping score.

37:24

When Jesus looked up and saw

37:26

a great crowd coming toward him,

37:28

he said to Philip, where shall

37:30

we buy bread for these people

37:33

to eat? So and I just

37:35

thought just immediately think you think

37:37

well that doesn't seem like a

37:39

very profound question But how many

37:41

times have you had people coming

37:43

over? The and especially for people

37:45

who cook of our reputation? This

37:47

is this is a serious thing

37:50

for us getting ready to feed

37:52

people for people like our family

37:54

is a big deal It's all

37:56

hands-on day. We've got the best

37:58

places in mind. is not the

38:00

issue. Whatever, that means nothing. I

38:02

mean, you'll pay twice as much

38:04

as something's worth. Best brand, the

38:07

brand, the best one, you're not

38:09

going cheap at any level. It's

38:11

abundance. Because there's gonna come a

38:13

moment in these festivities where people

38:15

take that first bite of a

38:17

meal that you've prepared. And what

38:19

they think matters to my family.

38:21

A whole. And basically my dad

38:24

was overblown if they didn't say,

38:26

because he's as soon as you

38:28

take the first bite. You remember

38:30

what he would tell people out?

38:32

Every person that ever sat there.

38:34

What about it? What do you

38:36

think? What about it? What about

38:38

it? Is that and if they

38:41

hesitated he said is not is

38:43

that the best thing you've ever

38:45

eaten? Is that the best thing

38:47

you've ever laid a lip on

38:49

that's what I said? So he

38:51

asked that question but then he's

38:53

there's a clarification because he asked

38:55

this John intervenes here which I

38:58

love how John takes it upon

39:00

himself to say He asked this

39:02

only to test him. So in

39:04

verse 7, Philip answered him, it

39:06

would take more than a half

39:08

a year's wages to buy enough

39:10

bread for each one to have

39:12

a bite. Another of his disciples,

39:15

Andrew, which was cool, because you

39:17

don't see a whole lot of

39:19

interaction from Andrew in the Gospels.

39:21

I don't think the other three

39:23

mentioned Philip or Andrew's for sure

39:25

no conversation. Yeah. But it shows

39:27

you Andrew kind of had a

39:29

pulse on the crowd because then

39:32

he says Andrew in verse eight.

39:34

He spoke up what there's a

39:36

boy with five barley loaves of

39:38

bread and two small fish. But

39:40

how far will that go among

39:42

so many? Which is weird that

39:44

he would even bring it up.

39:46

But it is something like here's

39:49

what we got. Maybe he can

39:51

do something with it. That's what

39:53

I put in my nose, Chase.

39:55

It was like, maybe, maybe. Here's

39:57

something. Sounds like a good sermon.

39:59

Yeah. It's a good sermon with,

40:01

you know, you take what you

40:03

have and God, you know, let's

40:06

see what he can do with

40:08

it. Yeah. So verse 10, Jesus

40:10

said, have the people sit down.

40:12

There was plenty of grass in

40:14

that place and they sat down.

40:16

About 5,000 men were there. I

40:18

mean, we're talking huge crowd. Probably

40:20

double that with the kids and

40:22

women. Which now his question seems

40:25

funny, you know, where where you

40:27

where shall we buy bread for

40:29

these people to eat, you know.

40:31

So verse 11, Jesus then took

40:33

the loaves, gave thanks and distributed

40:35

to those who were seated as

40:37

much as they wanted. He did

40:39

the same with the fish. When

40:42

they had all had enough to

40:44

eat, he said to his disciples,

40:46

gather the pieces that are left

40:48

over. Let nothing be wasted. So

40:50

they gathered them and filled 12

40:52

baskets with the pieces of the

40:54

five barley loaves left over by

40:56

those who had eaten. After the

40:59

people saw the sign Jesus performed

41:01

they began to say surely this

41:03

is the prophet who is to

41:05

come into the world. So there's

41:07

that verse that we talked about

41:09

in the last chapter. That's the

41:11

Deuteronomy. Where is that Deuteronomy? Where

41:13

is that Deuteronomy? I think 1815.

41:16

Yeah, so that there was that

41:18

was predicted that there would be

41:20

a prophet sent. Yeah, as as

41:22

king, I think. But they call

41:24

him a king here. So Jesus,

41:26

Moses even said, greater than I.

41:28

So he was let than that.

41:30

So verse 15, Jesus knowing that

41:33

they intended to come and make

41:35

him king. Because at first when

41:37

you say, oh, here's the prophet.

41:39

But he knew okay, they're gonna

41:41

make him, you know Messiah by

41:43

force withdrew to a man by

41:45

himself, which seems kind of opposite

41:47

from what you would think he

41:50

would have responded. So that's when

41:52

we take a turn here. So

41:54

Jesus was coming here to declare

41:56

himself king and son of God.

41:58

However, they had the wrong motivation.

42:00

You're going to see that later

42:02

in the story. We're going to

42:04

take a little time out or

42:07

John does and you have this

42:09

scene where he walks on the

42:11

water and then you get back

42:13

to... The controversy that comes from

42:15

the feeding of the 5,000 which

42:17

you think well, how could that

42:19

be controversial? Well, their motives they

42:21

started following Jesus just for the

42:24

meals Instead of Recognizing who Jesus

42:26

is on his hand there. Yeah,

42:28

they had their fill Yeah, and

42:30

it's really going to get down

42:32

to that the point is going

42:34

to be you're following Jesus for

42:36

what you can get out of

42:38

it Right instead of because the

42:41

truth is if you understand the

42:43

son of man reference that he's

42:45

mentioned already multiple times and he

42:47

will mention again multiple times and

42:49

all the Gospels that he Jesus

42:51

is king when he appears before

42:53

the ancient of days You know

42:55

and so that's what he says

42:58

you'll see the son of man

43:00

coming on the clouds and all

43:02

of that so but that they

43:04

don't want that king They don't

43:06

want the king that suffers. They

43:08

don't want a king that's going

43:10

to walk a Roman road to

43:12

a cross all by himself. They

43:15

don't want that king. They want

43:17

the king that's going to feed

43:19

him, that's going to put them.

43:21

They want to, to your point,

43:23

they're looking at the power. It's

43:25

kind of funny because they did

43:27

kind of worship the prophets. And

43:29

they studied the scriptures and all

43:32

that. But here they want to

43:34

make Jesus a prophet. They just

43:36

want to put him in the

43:38

stack of other kind of leaders

43:40

that they've had. He's going to

43:42

be our current guy. We're going

43:44

to lift him up as the

43:46

guy because he obviously is bringing

43:49

something. big to the table. Which

43:51

is an interesting thing too that

43:53

you get from reading the other

43:55

gospel narratives because John is just

43:57

kind of picking these events along.

43:59

He's not necessarily trying to be

44:01

chronological, but when I read the

44:03

other versions, the other eyewitness accounts,

44:06

there were two things else that

44:08

had happened. I think they helped

44:10

set the context of the mindset

44:12

because Jason's right. It seems counterintuitive

44:14

to us for him to take

44:16

the task he took that now

44:18

is the time for him to

44:20

step out because now they're saying

44:23

and wanting him to be king,

44:25

but it's not in the right

44:27

context. So two things have happened.

44:29

One is this follows him sending

44:31

out the disciples. They just got

44:33

back. right before this happened. And

44:35

so that's part of the reason

44:37

they were retreating is to get

44:40

a little rest because they had

44:42

just gone out. I mean, when

44:44

he sent them out and said,

44:46

you know, shake the dust off.

44:48

So that had just happened. So

44:50

they're probably on cloud nine that

44:52

they got to get out on

44:54

their own and share about the

44:57

kingdom about what was coming. And

44:59

the second thing that had happened

45:01

from one of the other accounts

45:03

is that John had just been

45:05

beheaded in prison, which effectively ended

45:07

the forerunner. you know his life

45:09

and everything he had come to

45:11

do and now it's just Jesus

45:14

so he's on one left so

45:16

one is you know Jesus has

45:18

taken that personally which i think

45:20

is part of the mindset with

45:22

him in the idea that this

45:24

was his cousin as well as

45:26

somebody he loved he said there's

45:28

no one greater on earth than

45:31

him And yet these two things

45:33

that happen leading up to this

45:35

event. So I do think that

45:37

helps us the context as to

45:39

kind of why Jesus responds the

45:41

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45:43

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think the part of him where

47:26

he collects 12 baskets is not

47:29

accidental as well. I think if

47:31

you go back to the history

47:33

of Israel, Israel didn't last long

47:35

before it divided into two kingdoms.

47:38

I mean if you look at

47:40

me, I mean, I've got to

47:42

last. It was three kings, it's

47:44

all David Solomon, then it split

47:47

after some. So then you got

47:49

to keep in mind that what

47:51

happens there to the 12 tribes

47:53

of Israel is they're divided. They're

47:56

not together anymore. And so part

47:58

of what's happening here is that

48:00

Jesus. is also being established, establishing

48:02

himself as the true shepherd of

48:05

Israel. So the 12 baskets are

48:07

the 12 tribes that are coming

48:09

back in. Jesus is going to

48:11

bring, he's bringing the 12 tribes

48:14

back in under his shepherding and

48:16

he's also building out the bigger

48:18

vision of the kingdom which is

48:20

going to bring also the Gentiles

48:23

in as well. So you see

48:25

all of that is going on

48:27

here. you know in this in

48:29

this context it's not the this

48:32

this number 12 is not just

48:34

a random like number there's great

48:36

symbolic connection here between the 12

48:38

tribes of Israel that were now

48:41

divided and the 12 baskets that

48:43

were now being collected and it

48:45

also shows the abundance of what

48:47

God provides when God Shepherds there's

48:50

an abundance left over everyone had

48:52

their feel they ate as much

48:54

as they wanted And then there

48:56

was so much left over that

48:59

it was just it was just

49:01

overflowing with abundance. But it's also

49:03

the classic way of how God

49:05

does business. He's also looking at

49:08

the needs of those in the

49:10

moment, because by the way, how

49:12

many disciples were there that needed

49:14

to eat? Because they've been serving

49:17

this old time 12. So guess

49:19

who got the basket full of

49:21

the leftovers, probably, each one of

49:23

them. those 12 disciples to their

49:26

sustenance in the moment. So to

49:28

prove your point, Zach, is the

49:30

sustenance of the moment, which is

49:32

what privacy does, but also the

49:35

bigger picture of what it provides

49:37

for everybody. And don't you think

49:39

it's connected, like we're going to

49:41

get to this in the, probably

49:44

the next episode, but he, I

49:46

mean, it's connected to the man,

49:48

the, the, it actually, do I

49:50

think, right? He's going to bring

49:53

that up later in this chapter,

49:55

and that's the moment. So here's

49:57

what we need to do before

49:59

next time is our readers. This

50:02

rabbit hole made this question when

50:04

Jesus asked, where are we going

50:06

to go by some bread? I

50:08

mean it was this thrilling of

50:11

revelation from these scriptures. that I've

50:13

ever had. Because I read Exodus

50:15

15, 16, and 17, which is

50:17

the 15 is about water being

50:20

provided, 16 is about the manna

50:22

and the quail, and 17 is

50:24

the water that was provided when

50:26

he struck the rock, and you

50:29

remember what Paul said about that,

50:31

that rock was Christ. And in

50:33

the vein of Jesus being the

50:35

fulfillment of everything written in the

50:38

law. of Moses and the prophets

50:40

and the Psalms. I went to

50:42

his prayer because obviously I thought

50:44

Mana like Zach, but I also

50:47

thought when he taught them how

50:49

to pray in Matthew six, I

50:51

want to read this. We're not

50:53

going to have time to fully

50:56

develop this, but I had brought

50:58

that question up and... Al, you

51:00

said us that that statement that

51:02

sustenance in the moment. And when

51:05

you read Exodus 1516 and 17,

51:07

this really comes out because look,

51:09

he only provided them by the

51:11

day and just full disclosure. Exodus

51:14

16 is, you know, one of

51:16

the few places in the Bible

51:18

that maggots are mentioned. Mm-hmm. The

51:20

larva of flies because what they

51:23

did, they'd have all this manner

51:25

and they were scared. So they

51:27

was like, well, I'm gonna gather

51:29

some of this up for tomorrow.

51:32

Yeah. Which he said don't do.

51:34

Just in case he didn't drop

51:36

bread out of the sky tomorrow,

51:38

I better make sure I get

51:41

mine. But since they didn't trust

51:43

what he said. And the word

51:45

becoming flesh now, claiming eventually in

51:47

this chapter to be the bread

51:50

of life that the bread wouldn't

51:52

keep. You know, and that's why

51:54

the maggots, and he's like, no,

51:56

I want you to live one

51:59

day at a time. Well, when

52:01

you think about this prayer, and

52:03

I want to read this. So

52:05

he says in birth, this is

52:08

Matthew 6, when you pray, and

52:10

you think, when are we supposed

52:12

to pray as a follower of

52:14

Jesus and a son of God?

52:17

When should we pray? I was

52:19

asking y'all. When should you pray

52:21

as a follower of Jesus? Call

52:23

the time. I mean, every day.

52:26

Every day. This is something that

52:28

is happening. now to every believer

52:30

in it with you know the

52:32

next generation this is a daily

52:35

conversation when you pray do not

52:37

keep on babbling like pagans for

52:39

they think they'll be heard because

52:41

there are many words do not

52:44

be like them for your father

52:46

knows what you need before you

52:48

ask him this then is how

52:50

you should pray our father in

52:53

heaven hall to be your name

52:55

now watch this your kingdom come

52:57

your will be done and look

52:59

The previous chapters in Matthew, you

53:02

know what it's been about? Jesus

53:04

saying, the kingdom is at hand.

53:06

So now he brings us up

53:08

in this prayer, your kingdom come

53:11

on earth as it is in

53:13

heaven. And then the first thing

53:15

he says for us to pray

53:17

about personally is give us today

53:20

our daily bread. When you look

53:22

up the Greek language here, give

53:24

us today our daily bread. This

53:26

is the only place in the

53:29

New Testament that that word daily

53:31

is mentioned. And the only only

53:33

reference when you look that up,

53:35

don't you find that fascinating? The

53:38

only reference that you get is

53:40

there like, well the Hebrew language

53:42

doesn't even have a word for

53:44

that. but it's liking to exit

53:47

is 16 given your Daily, yeah,

53:49

daily, God providing, which then he's

53:51

going to go forgive us our

53:53

debts, and then he's going to

53:56

say, lead us not into testing

53:58

or temptation, but delivers. Do you

54:00

think about, well, who delivered us,

54:03

who forgave us, and who provides

54:05

for us? Well, we're getting a

54:07

picture of Jesus here. Yeah. You

54:09

know, you know. And so I'm

54:12

going to go further into that

54:14

when we come back on the

54:16

next. podcast because what you're going

54:18

to see and the reason that

54:21

it's only that mentioned that one

54:23

time. Jesus is wanting you to

54:25

live in the moment every day

54:27

but we you know you know

54:30

how humans think we always think

54:32

oh you know tomorrow I'll do

54:34

this or I'll save my money

54:36

and I'm going to retire one.

54:39

We all look like that and

54:41

in reality none of that is

54:43

promised and there's many verses about

54:45

that. James four you know. Don't

54:48

say tomorrow we'll go down there

54:50

and build a town. And there's

54:52

something about, and to get back

54:54

to the stories that I said,

54:57

you know, helping the missionaries or,

54:59

you know, helping my dad, looking

55:01

at Jesus' whole life. You're talking

55:03

about living one day at a

55:06

time, which is why he said,

55:08

hey, you know, what's, where are

55:10

we going to buy this bread?

55:12

And I thought, that's what we

55:15

should be thinking. of who Jesus

55:17

is every time we're fixed to

55:19

go to the store or buy

55:21

some food or all these things

55:24

should be wrapped around in the

55:26

true bread of life. Now and

55:28

that's so good because that's we're

55:30

out of time but that's exactly

55:33

where we're headed with his explanation

55:35

when we get into the text

55:37

too so we'll we'll pick it

55:39

up here next time on another

55:42

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