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unashamed. What about you?

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Yeah, we'll break the

0:34

fourth wall here and

0:36

this is, so the

0:38

key is if you're

0:40

in the Robertson family,

0:42

which we all are, Ava Nama.

0:45

Dasher. Same thing with Dasher's too though,

0:47

we got the same problem. I'm not

0:49

in the Robertson family. Well you're married

0:52

to me, so you are by marriage.

0:54

One plus one. This is the same

0:56

point of reference. The way, but the

0:58

way, yeah. The two will become one.

1:00

See right now, there was an opening,

1:02

this would be great, because I could,

1:04

there was an opening right there that

1:06

if I had taken it, all the

1:08

negative energy could have shifted to Jill.

1:10

She would have been the scapegoat. So

1:12

there's a, it's called the scapegoat mechanism.

1:14

Like what we, the key is you

1:17

just, you cannot allow yourself to be

1:19

the focal point of the energy of

1:21

the group. Because then once it happened,

1:23

like the last podcast, I became

1:25

the focal point and then all

1:27

the negative energy. Because I willed

1:29

it to happens. It wasn't acceptable.

1:31

You never end up there. But

1:33

if you came the focal point

1:35

when you weeded your wife out.

1:37

That's right. Amen. Amen. of a major

1:40

and ardent Alabama. So what I'm

1:42

doing now is I'm sacrificing myself

1:44

because I had an opportunity when

1:46

you when you said that to

1:48

Jill, I could have turned on

1:50

Jill and then we, but I don't know if

1:52

you ought to turn on her or not,

1:54

but you want to try? You know,

1:57

test it out? I don't want

1:59

to move back in to John's.

2:01

So y'all do share one thing

2:03

in your relationship that Miss and

2:05

I share. And I said this

2:07

one time and Trent Langhofer, you

2:09

remember him? Oh yeah. He's a

2:11

professional. We'll call him Dr. Langhofer,

2:13

Langhofer, Cliffhanger. Funny actually. But I

2:16

said, you know, the difference in

2:18

our relationship and... other marriage relationships

2:20

is because we fight just like

2:22

other married people do. We just

2:24

have our fights in public. Which

2:26

is, I was serious. That's why

2:28

Missy and Jill are two of

2:30

my favorite guests on the other

2:32

champagne pie gas because I love

2:35

to nurture that spark. You're very

2:37

good at it. You can't bring

2:39

the best out? Yeah, exactly. Dr.

2:41

Lange Hoffer brought that out one

2:43

night because Missy and I were

2:45

disagreeing about something. But there's a

2:47

room full of people. And he

2:49

said, Chase, now that is a

2:51

sign of a very functional great

2:53

marriage. And I was like, yeah.

2:56

He's like, the fact that you're

2:58

not trying to be something that

3:00

you're not. You just have your

3:02

disagreement. You were comfortable to do

3:04

it in front of people. I

3:06

wasn't thinking, oh, people are going

3:08

to walk away and thought they

3:10

fight like cats and all. I

3:12

mean, I didn't. We had a

3:15

disagreement. Now, when I'm saying disagreement,

3:17

there's no profanity. We just have

3:19

a difference of opinion. Yeah. And

3:21

so we will take a time

3:23

out. Well, I would say that

3:25

I'm actually not comfortable with it,

3:27

but I think Jill's comfortable with

3:29

it. I've kind of thought uncomfortable.

3:31

But she'll go there in public,

3:34

she don't care. When we were

3:36

living, we lived here, had a

3:38

house church with Paula and John

3:40

Godwin, by the way. And we

3:42

got my favorite great favorite, my

3:44

favorite, yes. And one of our

3:46

favorite house churches we've ever done

3:48

too. And we were, we got

3:50

in a big fight Sunday. to

3:52

church about something, I don't know,

3:55

I don't remember. Well, she leaves

3:57

like right before house church and

3:59

we were, you know, newly married.

4:01

She bolts out, goes, I don't

4:03

even know if she went, she's

4:05

going to see storms out of

4:07

the house and then everyone shows

4:09

up for house church. And they

4:11

show up to what? Probably not

4:14

a clean house, not a clean

4:16

house. I tell you what we

4:18

got in a fight over. I

4:20

probably asked you to help me.

4:22

And you probably were just, went

4:24

to go do some random thing

4:26

in the yard that didn't need

4:28

them. He was probably doing some

4:30

eschatology studies though. So I decided,

4:33

okay, I'll let him run this

4:35

ship. Yeah, so I'm in there

4:37

doing like the whole, I'm doing

4:39

the lesson and everything. And it

4:41

was, how's so messy? And I

4:43

don't know, it's just good, you

4:45

know, things happen, you know. So

4:47

y'all just left. Yeah, I was.

4:49

Well, Jill walks walks walks in,

4:51

like during, like, like, like, like,

4:54

like, like, like, Look, he still

4:56

remembers. He still remembers the click

4:58

and he clang of those heels.

5:00

That was back and I used

5:02

to wear heels all the time.

5:04

I mean, I was owning every

5:06

step. You were representing the rider

5:08

of the white horse. Yeah, the

5:10

horse hooves are cliqueing. Now you

5:13

would just slip in nice and

5:15

quiet. But back in those days,

5:17

it was clippity clap. She made

5:19

it known. He's been teaching. And

5:21

then he just. I was just

5:23

like, I just stopped, I said,

5:25

we're in a big fight. But

5:27

that was like a catalyst for

5:29

our community because it was like,

5:32

okay. Well, married people fight. Yeah,

5:34

true story. And it's, I will

5:36

say that's the beauty of a

5:38

small group setting as opposed to

5:40

if you could walk into an

5:42

assembly somewhere to. big building and

5:44

nobody ever know you're hiding in

5:46

there but you can't hide when

5:48

it's clippity clop in the kitchen.

5:50

You can't hide. Oh we had

5:53

a big one the other night

5:55

and of course look I mean

5:57

we have done more hard stuff

5:59

which my wife moved me one

6:01

night two tears. I usually don't

6:03

get tiered up. I'm not a

6:05

teary guy, but unless it's about

6:07

my daughter, I guess. But, because

6:09

she's had so many problems and

6:12

odds, because I was real tough,

6:14

you know, until my daughter was

6:16

born with, you know, cranial facial

6:18

issues and then I became a

6:20

basket case. But usually, she had

6:22

made a statement a couple weeks

6:24

before, because we have a little,

6:26

a little toddler. There's a reason

6:28

people our age don't have little

6:30

toddlers. Because it's difficult. I mean,

6:33

we're old. He's not. And we

6:35

need sleep. Yeah, you know, you

6:37

think you're done with something and

6:39

the next thing, you know, God

6:41

says, ah, hang on, just a

6:43

little. Which is biblical. I mean,

6:45

there were older couples in the

6:47

Bible who had kids. I can

6:49

think of John the Baptist parents.

6:52

Abraham. Yeah. And that's why I

6:54

was really, I've been real. concerned

6:56

about this venture because if one

6:58

day I just can't speak, because

7:00

you remember what happened to, what

7:02

was talking about? Exactly, right, remember

7:04

he had a little questioning of

7:06

God so then he couldn't speak

7:08

until he got his heart right.

7:11

So, but anyway, so we've been

7:13

doing a lot of things like

7:15

that and then with my parents,

7:17

I mean, because my wife has

7:19

been a warrior. during this whole

7:21

process. Somehow another, my dad, she's

7:23

become my dad's favorite because she

7:25

can cook more recipes that Kay

7:27

does than I guess everyone else.

7:29

And so she keeps bringing a

7:32

mother, well he's like, now this

7:34

is what I'm talking about. There's

7:36

other stuff, it'll kill you. This?

7:38

Good. Still matters, y'all. No matter

7:40

where your mind is, food matter.

7:42

When he sees Missy, no matter

7:44

what his condition is, he immediately

7:46

gets up and starts looking for

7:48

a fort. I kid you not.

7:51

It's like, forget, we bypass the

7:53

pleasantries. So we've had all this

7:55

going on and what made me

7:57

move, what moved me though is

7:59

we had had a tough time,

8:01

because we now have Phil and

8:03

Kay back together. I don't know

8:05

if we've announced that on, I

8:07

guess. I don't think so. Yeah,

8:10

because that's just happened this last

8:12

week. Oh, it's what it's day

8:14

for. It has been. Yeah, it's

8:16

a game. Fantastic. Mom would be

8:18

dealing with that. Well, yeah, they

8:20

went in Salfill, okay. Yeah, I

8:22

know. Well, I was going to

8:24

bring this up. Yeah. It's been

8:26

fantastic, but it has also brought

8:28

up a new set of challenges.

8:31

We're too loud. We'll have to

8:33

discuss later. Yeah. We have a

8:35

system. We're becoming a problem to

8:37

the rest of the residents, apparently.

8:39

And the bottom line is it's

8:41

a very difficult thing to explain,

8:43

but you know, my dad's not

8:45

doing great overall. But, and my

8:47

mom is not doing great physically,

8:50

and she has to have pretty

8:52

much 24-7 health care professional. Yeah,

8:54

but my dad, it's like, but

8:56

you're helping her morale, and she's

8:58

helping his morale. Right. Because he's

9:00

been so much calmer since she

9:02

came in back here. And so

9:04

during this process, we're now able

9:06

to have visitors, you know, and

9:09

so we have friend groups, they

9:11

call them the kingdom. Kay's kingdom,

9:13

you know, because she had friends

9:15

visiting her and then Phil had

9:17

his kingdom group, you know, guys

9:19

coming up there fixing him fish,

9:21

but they're in a facility where

9:23

there are other people, but they

9:25

have their own little private room,

9:27

you know, it's great. And so

9:30

they're helping each other and so

9:32

that's been positive, but the challenge

9:34

has been. We have so many

9:36

people coming up there. We're being

9:38

disruptive. But we'll have to address

9:40

that later. I've got to tell

9:42

y'all a little story. So Melissa

9:44

and I, Zach sister, went up

9:46

to visit them yesterday. And they

9:49

were so cute. It was such

9:51

a great visit, but feel. So

9:53

Kay, you know, Kay's always had

9:55

real dark hair, right? She always

9:57

has her hair done, no matter

9:59

what, she has her hair done.

10:01

Well, in all this process, it's

10:03

been several weeks since she could

10:05

get her hair done. And so

10:08

they've been apart. Now they're back

10:10

together. Well, she's had kind of

10:12

a cruella diville. That's exactly. It's

10:14

like white and then it's like,

10:16

and so there's, we're sitting there

10:18

talking and talking and talking and

10:20

every probably, 15, 20 minutes, 20

10:22

minutes, feel looks up and he'll

10:24

looks up and he'll looks up

10:26

and he'll looks up and he'll

10:29

looks up and he'll looks up

10:31

and he'll looks up and he'll

10:33

looks up and he'll looks up

10:35

and he'll looks up and he'll,

10:37

What's Kay got going on that

10:39

half-devil hair? That half-devil hair? I

10:41

mean, in his state, he still

10:43

notices something's off. And of course

10:45

Kay is like, well, I'm sorry

10:48

Phil, I haven't got my hair

10:50

now. You know, but cricket, wasn't

10:52

it? There they are, fighting them

10:54

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12:29

I was there last night for

12:31

a couple hours with another couple

12:34

and we got chest eyes for

12:36

being too loud. But Phil said

12:38

about the same thing to me.

12:40

He's like, your mama there, I

12:43

don't know what's going on with

12:45

this hair. And I said, well

12:47

Phil? I said, that hair was

12:49

designed by an inset. And he

12:52

went, what? I said, yeah, the

12:54

name of our hairdresser is cricket.

12:56

He said, it all makes sense.

12:58

Which confirms our theory that Jay's

13:01

has dementia as well. He's just

13:03

gotten used to his. Yeah, you

13:05

speak dementia. The other funny story,

13:07

you will appreciate this talking about

13:10

food. It was getting close to

13:12

lunchtime and you know, they're thinking

13:14

about food and Melissa looked at

13:17

him said, are you hungry? And

13:19

he said, yeah. I think I

13:21

am. And she said, do you

13:23

want a steak? And he goes,

13:26

he whips his head. He said,

13:28

how did you know? Yeah. Well,

13:30

that's his number one. He loves

13:32

steak. Yeah. And it was so

13:35

cute. It was, it filled us

13:37

up. Yeah. So, but anyway, I

13:39

was saying, we're doing all these

13:41

good things. Everything's going great. Well,

13:44

yellow is a big storm, this

13:46

past what, y'all poppos, right? Oh,

13:48

terrible. Oh, I was driving in

13:50

it. I wasn't. Oh, yeah. Sorry.

13:53

Sorry, Jill. Some people have to

13:55

drive all the rest of it.

13:57

Let the man tell the story.

13:59

So flash floods and which is

14:02

the problem, you know, my brother

14:04

goaded me into buying the house where

14:06

we're at because he's like, hey, I

14:08

got this dream, you know, we're all

14:11

beyond the neighborhood, you know. And at

14:13

that time, you know, nobody had any

14:15

money, but him. So he was like,

14:17

well, buy the house and if you

14:19

can't pay for it, you know, come to

14:22

me, which I would never go

14:24

to him. But. I did think

14:26

he never offered me that deal.

14:28

He offered me that well he

14:31

knew he knew I wouldn't come

14:33

ask you and so I didn't

14:35

either. But it was actually a

14:37

lot cheaper than I thought which

14:39

then I looked at the terrain

14:42

and I thought now I realize

14:44

why this place is so cheap

14:46

because I'm at the bottom of

14:48

ever since I was there and

14:50

so this it just started

14:53

raining. eventually and

14:55

I was like I'm worried about you

14:57

know maybe my place flooding because I

14:59

have a series of drains with

15:01

little holes and but you got

15:03

all this pollen everywhere and

15:05

the little pollen a little pine

15:08

pollen needles that they're everywhere where

15:10

it is a clog it up

15:12

so yeah so I and it's

15:14

only happened once where it was like

15:16

it scared me to get in the house

15:18

you know is ever getting the house it

15:20

got right up to the door frames

15:22

of the outside, because my garage

15:25

is a little bit down. And

15:27

so Missy closes the garage

15:29

door when it's going to

15:31

rain, because she knows that

15:33

that one time it almost

15:35

flooded, but I thought, it

15:37

doesn't matter. It's not like

15:39

that's 100% seal-proof, because I

15:42

thought in her mind, she

15:44

thinks that's the answer. But

15:46

in my mind, I thought,

15:48

well, that's not going to

15:50

work. I just thought... She needs that

15:52

for her mental well-being so she can sleep.

15:54

Now this is coming from the guy who

15:57

fixed the dishwasher by putting it on the

15:59

center block. Good. And guess what? Guess

16:01

what? That says. Why you're laughing. Our

16:04

bed is on center blocks. Our

16:06

bed. Yeah, Mr. Motel, six. I'll brings

16:08

up a painful story. But look, you

16:10

know what the problem with that fix

16:13

was is that you could see

16:15

the sender block. It wasn't, you know,

16:17

she didn't thank me for doing it

16:19

because. She didn't like the fact that

16:22

people would walk in and see

16:24

it, see a center block. Yeah, it's

16:26

hard to decorate around that, right? Well,

16:28

that was what the argument was over,

16:31

because she wanted to cover it

16:33

up and I thought, that's my trophy.

16:35

Yes. The fact that I made that

16:37

work was center block and a screwdriver.

16:40

You did that. My life is

16:42

making more sense right now. Yeah. So

16:44

guess what? We compromise, she covered it

16:46

up. But I tell people, I was

16:49

like, see a dishwasher. There's a center

16:51

block under there that I put

16:53

and that's the reason it's functional. It

16:55

was a balance issue. I tell the

16:58

story of time. So anyway, so we

17:00

have the little man there. Well,

17:02

it's thundering and he's, you know, he's

17:04

waking, he's scared, you know, so there's

17:07

there's drama here. It's not like we're

17:09

just watching TV hoping we don't

17:11

flood. I already have that issue. And

17:13

I said, I better go check. So

17:16

I'll go outside. out in front of

17:18

my garage and I had this

17:20

unique drain system. I'll show you one

17:22

day, you'll see. There's a lot of

17:25

holes that could be covered up and

17:27

I love, and I mean, I

17:29

can tell it's plugged. The pollen, whatever,

17:31

it's just water is all in my

17:34

driveway, so it's backing up. So I

17:36

quickly ran back inside and look

17:38

where her car is part. Well, I

17:40

just, I mean, I look for two

17:43

seconds and I see water coming in,

17:45

pretty rapidly. And so, uh, she,

17:47

by the time she come out, I'm

17:49

like, we're flooding. And she's like, oh,

17:52

you mean? I was like, and I

17:54

said, it's six, eight inches deep.

17:56

Of course, I wasn't saying what part

17:58

was six, eight, I just threw that

18:01

number. I think she asked. This is

18:03

what you do. You just throw

18:05

numbers out. I threw a number out.

18:07

Yeah, what you think? Why is this

18:10

a part of the story? This became

18:12

the crux of the argument. So

18:14

I'll go out there with a broom,

18:16

a pole. I'm trying, with a plunder.

18:19

I'm outside trying to. break this, whatever

18:21

is backing up the water. It's

18:23

pouring rain, I'm soaking wet. And so

18:26

I finally, the plunger actually worked outside.

18:28

And the water started falling, I started

18:30

sweeping the water out. You plunged

18:32

your drains. I plunged your drains. Why

18:35

could that have been caught on video?

18:37

Yeah, because it was lightning and thundering,

18:39

it was rainy. And so, but

18:41

about that time she comes out to.

18:44

were her car spark. Because she had

18:46

some stuff in the carport on the

18:48

other side where the water had

18:50

not come. It had just come on

18:53

one side, which made me realize I

18:55

was like, our driveway's not level. Because

18:57

the water was filling up over

18:59

here. And she said, I thought you

19:02

said it was six or eight inches

19:04

deep. Because I looked down and it's

19:06

like two. Two inches on that

19:08

side. I was like. Does that really

19:11

matter at this point? I mean, but

19:13

she didn't see all the stuff that

19:15

happened outside, you know, and she's

19:17

like, well, I mean. You just seem

19:20

like to me you were exaggerating the

19:22

problem. Because she's only looking. You think?

19:24

That's the car for you. This

19:26

is what Chase does. So that argument

19:29

lasted a couple of days, you know?

19:31

Yeah, it just, it was just like,

19:33

you shouldn't embellish, you know. I

19:35

was like, I shouldn't have used a

19:38

number. But I'm thinking you missed the

19:40

big picture. Which, look, I've been studying

19:42

John Six for a week. I

19:44

was saying, you missed the big pit.

19:47

You're looking for a sign. I gave

19:49

you a sign that it was. The

19:51

sign was wrong and now you

19:53

throw the whole big picture out. You

19:56

were saying it's time to panic. We

19:58

got water coming in. It was time

20:00

to panic. Water's coming in. I

20:02

have to fix something. It was in

20:05

a different part of... of the yard,

20:07

however, this was fixing, it was fixing

20:09

to be six or eight inches

20:11

deep. Yeah, I shouldn't have said the

20:14

numbers, you never get past it. So

20:16

then I, because I didn't tell you

20:18

what made her so mad, I

20:20

was like, well, I shouldn't have used

20:23

a number to someone who's being legalistic.

20:25

No. That was the wrong statement. So

20:27

now you called her a legalist.

20:29

Well, because yeah, yeah. Those are five

20:32

words. So the problem this whole thing

20:34

is you, it's all in what your

20:36

name is. It's all in what

20:38

your name is. Silas Merritt is our

20:41

uncle. Jason Silas is this man. Read

20:43

Silas is his son. All prone to

20:45

massive exaggeration. I mean, it's something

20:47

about the name. I don't know. By

20:50

the way, y'all don't do the social

20:52

media, but I do. And I think

20:54

that I think that the boys

20:57

over there may have been offended by

20:59

conversation we had about the duck call

21:01

room. Really? Yeah, they put out a

21:04

little real on Instagram of Jay's

21:06

basically saying it was a... I forgot

21:08

how you said it. Something like it

21:10

was a fine line between a... What

21:13

was it? Oh, I thought that

21:15

was funny. I said the fine line

21:17

between bringing everyone... You know under under

21:19

one and the tower of Bible which

21:22

you may have been may or

21:24

may not have been called some version

21:26

of a fun sucker Yeah, by them.

21:28

Well, I know who said that well,

21:31

it was I says that every

21:33

time I disagree with him So I

21:35

came came out swinging, but but Martin

21:37

was like well, I mean, he's kind

21:40

of got a point. Yeah. Thank

21:42

you Martin for being but I want

21:44

to go on the record say I

21:46

love those guys over to that curve.

21:49

It was fun. I did say

21:51

I was telling you. Nobody asked me

21:53

if I loved them. I love them.

21:55

But I'm saying it's 49 minutes of

21:58

nonsense and one minute of. some

22:00

truth. Yeah, I would concur if there's

22:02

anything that the tower Bible on earth

22:04

that's in that room 20 feet over.

22:07

I actually like being on it

22:09

and I because I was reading through

22:11

some of the comments on YouTube and

22:13

one guy said. Because they think you're

22:16

smart. Well, no, they were bad.

22:18

They said the guy said, Zach actually

22:20

has a fun personality. I just thought

22:22

he was a punk or something like

22:25

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22:27

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22:29

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brought it all back. Yes, but

24:29

now y'all are back together. We

24:31

are back together. Thank you for

24:33

the counseling. Now, I mean, you're

24:35

one of the most destructive counselors

24:37

I've ever seen. No, but look,

24:39

to get to something good, is

24:41

a counselor told me years ago

24:43

to get to a good place,

24:45

you have to go through conflict

24:47

to get there. So you got

24:50

a good. Well, that was my

24:52

point. Look, we've been rambling a

24:54

little bit, but my whole point

24:56

was most marriages that They become

24:58

their own identity. They drift away.

25:00

They don't have these conversations. They

25:02

don't have these conflicts. They're not

25:04

doing it together. They're not doing

25:06

life together. Well, and that is

25:08

true. When we are a part,

25:10

that's when we fight. That's true.

25:12

That's true. Well yeah, like when

25:14

he leads you. Yeah, you're taking

25:16

me. Al. I mean, Al is

25:18

like, I feel like this one

25:20

of them things, it's like, it's

25:22

kind of like we're joking, but

25:24

then I feel like we're going

25:26

to get out of here and

25:28

this is going to come back

25:30

to harmony and so I'm going

25:32

to hold you accountable. I'm always

25:35

in your phone, just call me

25:37

when you leave. doesn't care. They

25:39

don't care to have the heart.

25:41

That's called withdrawal, Jay. If you

25:43

get over with, if you had

25:45

one of those vin diagrams, but

25:47

the circus withdrawal is the place

25:49

you get to that's you don't

25:51

want to be. Now conflict is

25:53

a place you're still passionate working

25:55

together. Intimacy and conflict together is

25:57

using the best. Yeah, it is

25:59

good to deal with it. Yeah,

26:01

I mean, and look, then, I

26:03

mean, a couple days later, it's

26:05

like, well, I got to kiss

26:07

you good night. Let's make it,

26:09

I love you. You know, I

26:11

mean, you, okay, we we we

26:13

we we weathered the storm literally.

26:15

Pun intended. Well, that's what happens

26:18

when emotions get up. But it

26:20

was it was it two inches?

26:22

Was she right on the on

26:24

the depth of the two inches

26:26

in the carport? But I had

26:28

just from everything else I'd seen

26:30

that she never saw you know,

26:32

I mean, that's what you're going

26:34

to go back to. We're going

26:36

to bring the number. Yeah. She

26:38

was right on on the driveway.

26:40

But I wasn't thinking on the

26:42

carport. But I wasn't thinking in

26:44

those terms because I was like

26:46

yeah. I need a plunger on

26:48

it. You know, it's six, eight

26:50

inches deep because I was thinking

26:52

it's just coming up with the

26:54

weird plug. She was probably thinking

26:56

you were going to put her

26:58

car on cinder blocks. Yeah. She

27:01

never got past the carport. She

27:03

never went out. That conversation never

27:05

happened. We have missing the next

27:07

time on an unashamed podcast. Trust

27:09

me, unashamed nation. We will get

27:11

her side of this story. Do

27:13

you feel like maybe there could

27:15

be some truth about her? think

27:17

about you maybe embellishing? I mean,

27:19

do you think you may struggle

27:21

with that? Yeah, I think where

27:23

the word escalated is when I

27:25

didn't just apologize. Yeah. I just

27:27

said I shouldn't have used a

27:29

numerical description. You legalists? Yeah. And

27:31

through in the word legalists somewhere.

27:33

Yeah. Because in that moment, my

27:35

dreamer and icebreaker. Yeah. My dreamer

27:37

was pumping. At this point now

27:39

I'm wet. That's like the equivalent

27:41

to Winzak. Actually, I probably should

27:43

not say this on podcast. Yeah,

27:46

you put it on hand. We

27:48

can edit it. It's when it's

27:50

when Zach does a thing of

27:52

what what what day of the

27:54

month is it? Oh, he goes

27:56

there. Is it? I may have,

27:58

I may or may not have

28:00

said that. I did that same

28:02

thing early on, but you know

28:04

what? I said, I'm telling you.

28:06

So we're getting back to John.

28:08

Yeah, I mean, I just started

28:10

this conversation. That was a long

28:12

story. Welcome to an exchange, yeah.

28:14

This is what we do. It's

28:16

like Seinfeld meets a Bible study.

28:18

A show about nothing meets the

28:20

word of God. Well, in my

28:22

simple mind, you know, we have

28:24

the intelligent mind. Because that's why

28:26

Zach really loves the dark call

28:29

room. He wants to be the

28:31

most intelligent. Oh, that's exactly why

28:33

he's showing up. And so I

28:35

give him that here. But I'm

28:37

like, I kind of use that

28:39

as a potential fault. Because if

28:41

nobody knows what the heck you're

28:43

saying, why are you talking? Well,

28:45

people do know what I'm saying,

28:47

Jay's. And they'll tell you in

28:49

the comments. Now, Jay's is smarter

28:51

than he tries to play the.

28:53

Oh, he's like in the Laredale

28:55

Dog. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now I

28:57

actually had a word I was

28:59

going to try to use today

29:01

to impress. When you when you

29:03

think about all this what we've

29:05

been talking about today which is

29:07

arguing which is Zach and our

29:09

this is Master's Master's Master's we

29:12

have a PhD I love that

29:14

that's his number one quality I

29:16

love because I have very few

29:18

people that I can argue with

29:20

because people get their feelings hurt

29:22

or they think I'm mad or

29:24

read it's they're not looking at

29:26

the big picture but uh that

29:28

oh he's Yeah, it's like I

29:30

know he's never gonna like this

29:32

fellowship me from the family. So

29:34

I need those arguments every once

29:36

once. But this basically in John

29:38

6 is an argument. Yeah, it

29:40

is. Yeah, which is one of

29:42

the reasons why it's a difficult

29:44

text because he's breaking down every

29:46

argument through the process. Yeah. Because

29:48

trust me, these people were legalists.

29:50

So the word that because I

29:52

heard in all my study, I

29:54

heard this word used not had

29:57

to look it up. Because they

29:59

said Jesus was basically given an

30:01

ontological argument. And I thought, ooh,

30:03

that sounds great. Now let me

30:05

go look up ontological. So do

30:07

you know what that means? I

30:09

know, he loved that one. I

30:11

didn't know I'd heard it before.

30:13

But I was describing the Olivet

30:15

discourse. He went into the ontological,

30:17

there is an ontological argument inside

30:19

of apologetics. It's very hard to

30:21

understand. It's one of the few

30:23

that I was like, oh, that

30:25

hurts my mind to think about

30:27

it. But it's helpful if you

30:29

only use one big word per

30:31

sentence. Yeah. So for you that

30:33

out there, like me, I looked

30:35

it up. And it was like.

30:37

the relational aspect of who Jesus

30:40

is. He was representing himself because

30:42

he's like, well, me and the

30:44

father, I'm doing this on the

30:46

father's behalf. Well, the father, that

30:48

means you're the son. You're the

30:50

son. You're the son of God.

30:52

And that was the problem that

30:54

they weren't comfortable with that because

30:56

they're like, well, you're a human.

30:58

We know where you're from, which

31:00

they bring that argument up. Which

31:02

is why I think he winds

31:04

up just a little fast forward

31:06

to the end when he says.

31:08

eat my flash drink my blood

31:10

and it sounded so crazy but

31:12

from his perspective he was telling

31:14

him it's about me oh he's

31:16

on to it's going back to

31:18

John 114 that's it well one

31:20

way the word became flash the

31:23

same word that was in the

31:25

beginning was was with God and

31:27

was God he was with God

31:29

in the beginning Through him all

31:31

things were made. I mean, that's

31:33

why I'm walking on the water.

31:35

That's why I'm bringing bread from

31:37

heaven. I'm creator in a body.

31:39

I mean, he stood there with

31:41

lows and he's breaking up apart

31:43

and he's giving it to the

31:45

12 and they're going to liver

31:47

and just imagine it's just piling

31:49

up underneath it. I mean, he's

31:51

got five finite lows. that he

31:53

just infinitely fed 10,000 people with

31:55

and they picked up 12 basketfuls

31:57

at his feet. I mean that's

31:59

the kind of power we're talking

32:01

about in the moment. Yes, I

32:03

mean it's hard it's hard to

32:05

grasp what what Jesus is claiming

32:08

here. But when you think about

32:10

the word ontology, the other word

32:12

that you can use is different,

32:14

but economy. And so when you

32:16

think about who is God and

32:18

who is Jesus in God ontologically,

32:20

like his nature is very being,

32:22

his nature, he is the sovereign

32:24

God. Yeah. But now inside of

32:26

that godhead, he has a, and

32:28

this is. This does get controversial

32:30

in certain circles, but they'll get

32:32

controversial. Just deal in the facts.

32:34

Well, there's just different roles, right?

32:36

And so, the very least we

32:38

can say that Christ in his

32:40

incarnated state in a body or

32:42

the son in the body. Was

32:44

serving the father? That's not controversial.

32:46

He says that a hundred times.

32:48

But what gets controversial is, was

32:51

the son always in this position

32:53

eternally? And I think that, well,

32:55

I won't say what I think

32:57

here because I don't want to

32:59

get off track off track, but...

33:01

But I think that what's interesting

33:03

when you think about what Jesus

33:05

is establishing himself as here, as

33:07

being this, he's saying, I'm God,

33:09

I'm God, that's who I am.

33:11

And by being God means that

33:13

he is going to be the

33:15

provider of all things, and all

33:17

things will originate with him, all

33:19

things, every blessing, every revelation, everything

33:21

origin originates with God. And the

33:23

problem that these guys are having

33:25

is that they just could not

33:27

quite... Give him their trust and

33:29

they all they give me more

33:31

signs give me more signs because

33:34

he was a human because he

33:36

was a human But look and

33:38

I don't think we can blame

33:40

him necessarily. I mean look I

33:42

said they asked a bunch of

33:44

dumb questions, but they were They

33:46

they came from their heritage where

33:48

you there's only one God and

33:50

we're serving him Yahweh and now

33:52

there's a human claiming to be

33:54

God. Well, you know well that

33:56

goes against you they're misunderstanding of

33:58

the Messiah The whole thing they

34:00

misunderstood. There was a, there is

34:02

this interesting thing I've been studying

34:04

recently about. They were called the

34:06

Targams and they would, they basically

34:08

would take. the Old Testament and

34:10

then say, man, it seems like

34:12

there's like two yawas and then

34:14

they so that the people could

34:16

understand it and then they would

34:19

like teach it from the different

34:21

places in town and different synagogues.

34:23

And if you go back and

34:25

read some of those, it's very,

34:27

very interesting that they said they

34:29

would read the Old Testament and

34:31

then say, man, it seems like

34:33

there's like two yawas. Well, right.

34:35

And so they're looking at the-

34:37

Because the Lord said to my

34:39

Lord. Yeah. Where's that in Psalm?

34:41

So it's all throughout the scriptures.

34:43

There's a bunch of scriptures in

34:45

the Old Testament where you're reading

34:47

it and Yawwee speaks about himself

34:49

in the first and third person.

34:51

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34:53

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34:55

the word of Yawwee translated is

34:57

the logos. of yawway. Yeah. Find

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to John one back to John

36:42

yeah, yeah, well, I think there's

36:44

something to it, but I also

36:46

think in this context so when

36:48

we ran John 539 Remember when

36:50

he said you diligently study the

36:52

scriptures because you think that by

36:54

them you'll possess eternal lie? These

36:56

are the scriptures that testify about

36:58

me. Where does it say where

37:00

Moses wrote about me? That's one

37:02

I was looking for. Skip down

37:04

to 44. Yeah, 45. Yeah, 45.

37:06

But do not think I will

37:08

accuse you before the father. You're

37:10

accusers Moses on whom your hopes

37:13

are set. If you believe Moses,

37:15

you would believe me for he

37:17

wrote about me. Well now you're

37:19

kind of seeing that phrase, I

37:21

think John did it on purpose,

37:23

because now they're bringing up Moses

37:25

in John 6 and we read

37:27

this last time, that's where we

37:29

left off. When they said in

37:31

verse 30 and 31, so they

37:33

asked him what miraculous sign, then

37:35

will you give that we may

37:37

see it and believe you, which

37:39

he's already given them the feeding

37:41

of the 5,000. But think about

37:43

really what they're saying. This is

37:45

the equivalent of you going and

37:47

getting a sign and put it

37:49

in your vehicle. I was like,

37:51

I got this sign. And then

37:53

you're going on your way. What

37:56

is the sign pointing? Yeah, it's

37:58

what Jesus is trying, the sign

38:00

is only going to point me

38:02

and I'm saying I am where

38:04

you need to put your faith

38:06

in trust in. Yeah, but we

38:08

want the sign. We want the

38:10

sign, but we want the sign,

38:12

but we also a lot of

38:14

times want a person because I

38:16

love what he says. He says

38:18

Moses, see that is verse 32.

38:20

32. Yeah, he says, truly, truly

38:22

I say to you. It was

38:24

not Moses who gave you the

38:26

bread from heaven. but my father

38:28

gives you true bread from heaven.

38:30

A lot of times we want

38:32

a person. We want somebody to.

38:34

We want a king. We want

38:36

a king. We want a king.

38:38

But we don't necessarily want the

38:41

king of kings. We just want

38:43

someone to admire. But that's another

38:45

version of a sign though. The

38:47

prophet says he had to leave

38:49

because they were going to make

38:51

him king by force. Yeah. Where

38:53

was that verse? That was at

38:55

the very end. But I also

38:57

think he was saying that too

38:59

because they were so bound by

39:01

the law. Moses, they were still

39:03

bound by the law. That's why

39:05

they missed Jesus over and over

39:07

is because they were so tuned

39:09

into the old law, the rituals,

39:11

that this is the way it's

39:13

got to be. This is what,

39:15

you know, that they missed. The

39:17

one coming to fulfill the law.

39:19

Yeah, I think it's they say,

39:21

I've heard it said this way,

39:24

you want the kingdom without the

39:26

king. And that's what they wanted.

39:28

But when you read that verse

39:30

about demanding a sign, and the

39:32

problem is when you follow the

39:34

sign post instead of the sign

39:36

giver, or then what happens is

39:38

you will forget. You just will.

39:40

So there's interesting text in March,

39:42

chapter 8. Because think about Jesus

39:44

fed 5, 5,000 people. with what

39:46

was it five loaves of bread

39:48

and two fish then and and

39:50

and mark eight it's recorded that

39:52

he feeds 4,000 people and he

39:54

had I think seven loaves of

39:56

bread that he fed it with

39:58

so and you go back to

40:00

the whole thing that happened in

40:02

exodus when he had manna dropping

40:04

out of the sky I mean

40:07

so there's this pattern in scripture

40:09

of Jesus always shows up with

40:11

the bread right always he always

40:13

shows up that's why I asked

40:15

him the question where we're gonna

40:17

go by bread but you remember

40:19

look in John four we hadn't

40:21

brought this up yet at the

40:23

end when it just seems like

40:25

a throw in to this American

40:27

woman the when the disciples came

40:29

from Samaria They said, uh, Rabbi

40:31

eat something. And he said to

40:33

them, I have food to eat

40:35

that you know nothing about. You

40:37

don't know about this food. Oh,

40:39

what? He was just dropping a

40:41

little hint on what was about

40:43

that. That's the right. Then as

40:45

the disciples said to each other,

40:47

could someone have brought him some

40:49

food? My food. is to do

40:52

the will of him who sent

40:54

me and finish his work. So

40:56

that's why, look, he's already dropped

40:58

you a couple of hints here

41:00

about his role, as you said.

41:02

And then even the spirit we

41:04

didn't talk about is going to

41:06

have a role of then pointing

41:08

people to Jesus. And he gets

41:10

into that John 1415 and 16.

41:12

I think there's another question that

41:14

Jesus asking John, I mean, Mark

41:16

8, that... ties into this whenever,

41:18

because right after the times when

41:20

he fed him, the 5,000, then

41:22

he fed the 4,000, like right

41:24

after that, and John, and when

41:26

the Pharisees demand a sign, which

41:28

is the same place at here,

41:30

in John 814, it says they

41:32

had forgotten to bring bread, and

41:35

they'd only had one loaf with

41:37

them in the boat, and he

41:39

cautioned them, saying, watch out, beware

41:41

of the leaven of the Pharisees

41:43

of the leaven of Herod. And

41:45

they begin discussion with one another,

41:47

the fact that they had no

41:49

bread. I think about this, it

41:51

just came out of the scene

41:53

where Jesus shows up with five

41:55

loaves of bread, he feeds 5,000

41:57

people. with seven loads of bread

41:59

left. Yeah, with all the, with

42:01

abundant leftover, then they get on

42:03

a boat and they're like, whoa,

42:05

we only got one loaf of

42:07

bread, we're not gonna be able

42:09

to feed us, feed ourselves. And

42:11

Jesus aware of this said to

42:13

them, why are you discussing the

42:15

fact that you have no bread?

42:18

Do you not yet perceive or

42:20

understand? Are your hearts hardened? Having

42:22

eyes to see and having ears,

42:24

do you not hear? And do

42:26

you not remember when I broke

42:28

the five loaves for 5,000? How

42:30

many baskets of full of broken

42:32

pieces did you take up? They

42:34

said 12. And the seven for

42:36

four, seven for the 4,000, how

42:38

many baskets were broken and were

42:40

taken up? And they said to

42:42

him, seven. And he said that

42:44

and do you not understand? They

42:46

still didn't get it. And there

42:48

is something in this too. That

42:50

those 12 baskets. 12 tribes of

42:52

Israel and 12, the seven, the

42:54

seven baskets, the seven nations of

42:56

the Gentile territory. There's a, there's

42:58

a picture here coming together and

43:00

there's like so many layers of

43:03

what's happening here that they don't

43:05

have a clue, but Jesus is

43:07

revealing it in himself and now

43:09

because we have the Holy Spirit,

43:11

Paul says in Ephesians 3. that

43:13

all of this this this this

43:15

whole crazy thing of Gentile Jew

43:17

coming together in one one kingdom

43:19

under the king of kings he

43:21

says that that through the church

43:23

the manifold wisdom of God would

43:25

now be made known to the

43:27

to the powers and the rulers

43:29

in the in these heavenly realms

43:31

yeah I want to back up

43:33

to right before that verse and

43:35

I know you said it verse

43:37

11 in mark 8 where it

43:39

says the Pharisees came and began

43:41

to argue with him seeking for

43:43

him a sign from heaven to

43:46

test him. And he sighed deeply

43:48

in his spirit and said, why

43:50

does this generation seek a sign?

43:52

Truly I say to you, no

43:54

sign will be given to this

43:56

generation. And he left them and

43:58

he got into the boat. That

44:00

picture of him just sighed deeply.

44:02

I think of as a parent

44:04

just... When you're just like, come

44:06

on, like, why don't they see

44:08

it? Why don't they? But I

44:10

don't want to miss that. Why

44:12

does this generation seek a sign?

44:14

I don't want to find myself

44:16

in that boat. And I think

44:18

sometimes in 2025, that's where we're

44:20

at. Where's our sign? What's next?

44:22

Give us a sign. What team

44:24

should I be on? Where? You

44:26

know, and it's like Jesus is

44:28

like. I'm the sign just who

44:31

I am the spirit in you.

44:33

But signs always point to a

44:35

person. If you're pulled up behind

44:37

somebody and they've got 17 bumper

44:39

stickers on the back of their

44:41

car. That's big in Asheville. And

44:43

so typically if you're leaning one

44:45

way or the other on a

44:47

political bent, there's the board. So

44:49

you only needed one for me

44:51

to figure out who the person

44:53

was driving the car, but with

44:55

17. I got it. I got

44:57

what you're trying to say, but

44:59

the signs are only pointing to

45:01

the person and what their belief

45:03

system is. That's exactly what we're

45:05

trying to tell them here. You

45:07

keep wanting another bumper sticker. We

45:09

got it if you figure out

45:11

who the person or their or

45:14

their or signs point like road

45:16

signs point to a location. Right.

45:18

Which is also while we brought

45:20

up this idea of him repeating

45:22

himself over and over and over

45:24

and over. I came from heaven.

45:26

This came from heaven. and give.

45:28

But we're like, well, when can

45:30

I go there? You know, and

45:32

he's like, well, let's just start

45:34

with receiving what's coming from there.

45:36

Right, right. Just receive it. We,

45:38

sometimes I think we've become so

45:40

obsessed with the signal and the

45:42

sign, even that it paralyzes us.

45:44

We're waiting for God to tell

45:46

us what we need to do

45:48

and what, what our purpose is

45:50

and what, and I think that

45:52

paralyizes us. You know, the Bible,

45:54

and they look down, you know,

45:57

where there's a dead carcass, there

45:59

the vultures will gather. Oh, what

46:01

does this mean? But you've heard,

46:03

I've heard this. Usually when I

46:05

say what's your story and somebody

46:07

will say well one time I

46:09

just opened the Bible on a

46:11

red like well the Bible is

46:13

pointing you to a person I

46:15

mean always start there because people

46:17

tend to think oh let me

46:19

you know let me figure out

46:21

all the rules well it's the

46:23

same questions they're asking what is

46:25

required yeah why is someone asking

46:27

that I'm gonna just give you

46:29

the truth about humanity and that

46:31

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as possible to accomplish the task.

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46:37

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46:39

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on him. But you know what?

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I'm glad you did it because

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I actually switched to pure talk

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Four Americans. And I think that that's

48:24

what they're doing here when they say,

48:27

when he's talking about the, he said

48:29

for the bread of God is he

48:31

who comes down from heaven and gives life

48:33

to the world. They said to him, sir,

48:35

give us the spread always. They knew that

48:37

whatever that, but they didn't know what he

48:39

was talking about. But the money quote is

48:41

the next one. Jesus said to them, I

48:43

am the bread of life. It's in. Whoever comes

48:45

to me shot out hunger and whoever believes of

48:48

me shall never. Thirst, I mean that's

48:50

that's the money quote that he is

48:52

the bread of life And then it's

48:54

like we talked about in the last

48:56

podcast once you understand that then you're

48:58

ready for any season We've been talking

49:01

about end-of-life stuff because you know We're

49:03

doing a lot of stuff with mom

49:05

and dad, but I used to remember

49:07

all the time when I was with

49:09

families and we were in end-to-life settings

49:12

I always had to tell him look

49:14

this isn't about right and wrong on decisions

49:16

this is about living and making There's a

49:19

trust factor. It's why Paul said, we don't

49:21

grieve like the rest of men who have

49:23

no hope. When we understand that heaven has

49:25

come to earth and the spirit of God

49:27

lives in us, we're ready for any season.

49:29

And that means end of life, that means

49:32

crossing over, that means all of it. We

49:34

have the same confidence and hope going into

49:36

our situation. One of the most difficult conversations

49:38

I have to have with my dad is

49:40

because in his mind, you know, he's perfectly

49:42

fine, you know, which... Call it a

49:45

delusion, call it Alzheimer's, whatever. And some

49:47

days he's better than I. Like yesterday,

49:49

he was more in tune than I've

49:51

seen him in a month. And he's

49:53

like, now, Jay, when are you getting me

49:55

out of here? So he asked me that.

49:58

So there's me and Missy and another. So

50:00

everybody kind of like, oh no,

50:02

what are you going to say?

50:04

I said, well, Phil, remember, the

50:06

goal of the last three months

50:08

was to get you and mom

50:10

back together. You're now, and that's

50:12

why you've been so happy the

50:14

last three days. And he went,

50:16

hey. So I was like, now,

50:18

she has to have 24-hour supervision.

50:20

I was like, Phil, you need

50:22

a little help, too. You know,

50:24

and he went, yeah, you're right.

50:26

You're right. But it's like, I

50:28

just was perfectly honest. I was

50:30

like, now look, God may just

50:32

touch mom and touch you and

50:34

we'll get back going. But right

50:36

now, you're doing better together. You're

50:38

doing better right now than you've

50:40

done in months and your body's

50:42

falling apart. And he's like, yeah,

50:44

you're right. I mean, and I

50:47

thought in this moment of clarity,

50:49

he was like. Because the question

50:51

was now, when am I getting

50:53

out of here? I was like,

50:55

let's just focus on, I was

50:57

like, this is, we're living here.

50:59

This is, this is fun. Was

51:01

that not a good meal? He's

51:03

like, yeah. Good time, good time.

51:05

So, and I think to your

51:07

point, that's what it was. And

51:09

then I said, and remember, you

51:11

famously said, hey, I'm eating right

51:13

and I'm working out. The people

51:15

who didn't want to think about

51:17

post death. Phil would always ask

51:19

that question. I've used it a

51:21

thousand times because it's good because

51:23

people they they think in their

51:25

mind while I'm eating right and

51:27

I'm working out and my dad

51:29

would say you'll die healthy Yeah,

51:31

because we think in our minds,

51:33

you know, oh somehow I'm not

51:35

going to have to deal with

51:37

my impending death. Yeah, and it

51:39

you know, I'm not saying you

51:41

shouldn't eat right and work out,

51:43

but I am saying don't don't

51:45

use that to have a delusion

51:47

to have a delusion that death

51:49

is not coming. Oh, it's coming.

51:51

That's why you want to raise

51:54

your family, your children, your progeny,

51:56

to have this bigger mindset of

51:58

heaven and earth because they're going

52:00

to be in... that position one

52:02

day. And the last thing you

52:04

want to have them doing is

52:06

questioning every decision they make about

52:08

their parents about their grandparents. Once

52:10

you see that bigger picture of

52:12

who God is you realize that

52:14

we go through any season we

52:16

do that together. I want to

52:18

read this so because we're almost

52:20

out of time and we can

52:22

talk about it next time. But

52:24

he that's immediately where he goes

52:26

to when he gets to verse

52:28

20 about not only am I

52:30

came to give you life but

52:32

life that's eternal. So in verse

52:34

20 it says for the father

52:36

loves the son and shows him

52:38

all he does. So now he's

52:40

making his ontological argument. Yes, to

52:42

your amazement he will show him

52:44

even greater things than these. I

52:46

mean he's obviously looking into the

52:48

future of what spirit-filled people are

52:50

going to get to experience on

52:52

earth. And remember, he also, as

52:54

evidence to this heaven and earth

52:56

thing, remember when he prayed in

52:58

Matthew 16, when he taught him

53:00

how to pray, when he prayed,

53:03

he said, I pray that your

53:05

kingdom will come on earth as

53:07

it is in heaven. And he's

53:09

really explaining that here. Then verse

53:11

21, it says, for just as

53:13

the father raises the dead and

53:15

gives them life, even so the

53:17

son gives life to whom he

53:19

is pleased to give it. Moreover,

53:21

the Father judges no one but

53:23

has entrusted all judgment. Where are

53:25

you at? I think we're at.

53:27

Oh, he's at 521. Yeah, well

53:29

then I'm going to get to

53:31

20. Even as the son gives

53:33

life, whom he is pleased to

53:35

give it. So yeah, I'm sorry.

53:37

So then in John 6, look,

53:39

he does the same basic thing.

53:41

Yeah. He gets to verse 34

53:43

of John 6 and says, sir,

53:45

from now on give us this

53:47

bread. And this is the big

53:49

statement here. And I wanted to.

53:51

show you in John 5. He

53:53

said the same thing. He's just

53:55

now doing it in a form

53:57

of in answer to give us

53:59

a sign, I am the bread

54:01

of life. He who comes to

54:03

me will never go hungry, and

54:05

he who believes in me will

54:07

never be thirsty, which goes back

54:10

to John Ford. But as I

54:12

told you, you have seen me,

54:14

and still you do not believe.

54:16

All that the Father gives me

54:18

will come to me, and whoever

54:20

comes to me, I will never

54:22

drive away. For I have come

54:24

down from heaven. There it is

54:26

again. I've come down from heaven.

54:28

Not to do my will, but

54:30

to do the will of him

54:32

who sent me. And this is

54:34

the will of him who sent

54:36

me, that I shall lose none

54:38

of all that he has given

54:40

me, but raise them up at

54:42

the last day. He's going to

54:44

mention that four times. He goes

54:46

to the same argument. This is

54:48

not a new argument, is my

54:50

point. For my father's will, and

54:52

here's just a very profound verse,

54:54

is that everyone... who looks to

54:56

the sun and believes in him

54:58

shall have eternal life and I'll

55:00

raise him up at the last

55:02

day. Sounds a lot like John

55:04

three sixteen. At this the Jews

55:06

began to grumble. You're like what?

55:08

I mean what? For me or

55:10

what? How could you be grumbling

55:12

about that? And by the way

55:14

one of the other parallel passages

55:16

to Jesus walking on the water

55:19

says that the disciples' hearts had

55:21

been hardened because they didn't understand

55:23

the sign of the feeding the

55:25

5,000 of the bread. So they

55:27

were having difficulty too and you're

55:29

going to see that. So then

55:31

he's essentially saying you asked for

55:33

a sign. I gave you the

55:35

sign but you saw the sign

55:37

and still didn't believe. The sign's

55:39

not going to help you believe.

55:41

The sign is pointing to me.

55:43

I am the fulfillment of this.

55:45

I'm where the signs are pointing

55:47

toward. So he says they're grumbling

55:49

because he said. I am the

55:51

bread that came down from heaven.

55:53

That's what calls the grumbling. And

55:55

when you look back at what

55:57

happened with the manna and Moses,

55:59

guess what? They grumbled after the

56:01

manna came from heaven. But now

56:03

that he was saying, remember when

56:05

he made the statement, Moses was

56:07

talking about me? He's wanting them

56:09

to connect the dots. That bread

56:11

that came down from heaven, yeah,

56:13

when we were wondering in the

56:15

wilderness. That was me. That was

56:17

me. I'm the ultimate bread. Remember

56:19

the water that came out of

56:21

the rock? That was me. So

56:23

what they should have said is,

56:26

God became a man. Which I've

56:28

told you, I'm always fascinated. You

56:30

say that to people in Bible

56:32

studies. And I've had about two

56:34

out of the last four Bible

56:36

studies. They said that. They're like,

56:38

God became a man. And I

56:40

was like, I thought you had

56:42

studied the Bible. They're like, I

56:44

have. I was like, you missed

56:46

that? He's like, came to this

56:48

planet? And I think that when

56:50

you read that text, because it

56:52

could be confusing, I think you

56:54

have to again read it in

56:56

the flow of redemptive history and

56:58

the return to Eden and that

57:00

understanding that nations were created. I

57:02

mean they were created by God

57:04

in Genesis 11. But that's coming,

57:06

that's all coming to a close

57:08

and he's bringing all the nations

57:10

back together. Again, referring back to

57:12

that verse and Paul talks about

57:14

this in Ephesians 3, he says

57:16

the mystery hidden for in ages

57:18

is a mystery of basically the

57:20

Gentiles are being included into salvation

57:22

now. So when he talks about

57:24

in John 6, I think this

57:26

is one of the main points

57:28

he's making. that whoever father gives

57:30

me like I'm gonna I'm gonna

57:32

keep him and and and who's

57:35

he gonna give he's gonna give

57:37

the children a faith to him

57:39

it's the show it's the Romans

57:41

non argument well that's what we're

57:43

gonna get into next time because

57:45

he's gonna make the argument no

57:47

one can come to me unless

57:49

the father who sent me draws

57:51

him and I'll raise him up

57:53

at the last day so we'll

57:55

get how that

57:57

works, which some

57:59

people, I do

58:01

disagree with take it on

58:03

on is but but

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we'll get into

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that speaking of controversy.