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selection, Hawaii. Hawaii. I

1:01

am unashamed. What

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about you? Welcome

1:06

back to Unashamed. It's

1:10

always, we just had a holiday, so

1:12

we had some family down here, which

1:14

is always nice to get together with

1:16

family unless you're Zach and you're What

1:19

did he call it? People? People

1:21

of verse? I had a great

1:23

time with my family. I was just

1:25

exhausted. I was really just exhausted.

1:28

He had an exhaustion problem. I had

1:30

an exhaustion problem. I called it

1:32

the wrong thing. I called it a

1:34

people problem or something like that.

1:36

That was probably not a great phrase.

1:38

I was given an opportunity to

1:40

confess your sins. I

1:42

don't ever tell you something. I mean,

1:44

you guys know this. That grocery

1:46

bill, it just starts to skyrocket when

1:48

everybody's in town. You're like, I

1:50

mean, I was cooking every meal. We

1:52

got home from church. I mean,

1:55

I went to the store immediately. I

1:57

bought a, about a eight pound

1:59

tenderloin beef tenderloin came back. I trimmed

2:01

that smoke that got the smoker

2:03

ready. I do a whole like. process

2:05

where I smoke it, then I

2:07

sear it on another grill. And I

2:09

mean, did I make a chimichurro

2:11

sauce? I mean, so then everybody eats

2:13

and it was just, it

2:15

was just every day it was

2:17

that for about four days. You know

2:19

what's hit me? I finally realized

2:21

what was the smoking gun. Do you

2:23

come into Jesus? What was that?

2:25

Isaiah 55 one. Come,

2:28

come everyone he thirsts, come to

2:30

the waters, wait for it.

2:33

And he who has no money.

2:35

Come by and eat. Come

2:38

by wine and

2:40

milk without money.

2:43

Your cheap skate tight tendencies

2:45

actually led you to Jesus

2:47

because he said, I have

2:49

bread that costs no money. I came,

2:51

I came with what Francis Schaefer called the

2:53

empty hands of faith. I had nothing

2:55

in my hands. I knew that I was,

2:57

I was, there was a burger. Remember,

2:59

what was it back at John too? How

3:01

many gallons of wine did Jesus turn

3:03

from water into wine? I mean, that's Zach's

3:05

right up his alley. It's like, man,

3:08

free wine. Gallons of wine.

3:10

That's funny. I don't care. Yeah. All

3:12

right. So I had a

3:14

funny little thing that happened.

3:16

And speaking of passages in

3:18

Isaiah. that I said I was gonna

3:20

get back to. My

3:22

son sent me a video and

3:24

it was like a seven minute video

3:26

and he said, what do you

3:28

think about this? So

3:31

it was a

3:33

scientist who was

3:35

basically breaking down

3:37

a passage in

3:39

Revelation 21. And

3:42

what's also funny about the

3:44

conversation before I get into

3:46

that is You

3:48

know, Reed was also asking

3:50

me, like, what to tell

3:52

his mom about, because we're

3:55

rebuilding our house, which has

3:57

been a year since our

3:59

house got hit by a

4:01

tornado. And I

4:03

was like, uh, Reed, isn't

4:05

she there? And

4:07

he's like, well, yeah, but I'm

4:09

asking you. Because

4:13

I'm pretty sure she's asleep. It was

4:15

like in the morning. He was at my

4:17

house. He was asking me. He didn't

4:19

to wake her up. Yeah, he didn't want

4:21

to wake her up, which I thought

4:23

was funny. But I was like, well, why

4:25

don't you go in there and ask

4:27

her? So I

4:29

think that provides some tension because

4:31

you were talking about family. Yeah.

4:34

Because, you know, it's you

4:36

have your son rebuilding your house.

4:38

which you think, oh, that's

4:40

great that you have a son

4:42

that can do that. But

4:44

it's also tense for him because

4:46

you're rebuilding your parents' house. So

4:50

the standard has gone up because

4:52

if anything goes wrong, I realized

4:54

in the moment what he was

4:56

actually asking, he was like, the

4:58

pressure here is about more than

5:00

I can bear. And

5:02

let's face it, James, some parents

5:04

and we have, we have one who

5:06

don't like to be woken up.

5:08

You know, the, the rule was in

5:11

our house, unless it's the president

5:13

or Leonard Skinner, don't wake dad up.

5:15

Oh, and I had the same

5:17

thing with my kids and we actually

5:19

converted Missy into that same manner.

5:21

I mean, she, she, she will do

5:23

anything not to wake anybody up

5:25

and you don't wake her up. It's

5:27

just like, I've explained that to

5:29

little man cause he's like. Where's Lee?

5:32

He calls early. If you wake

5:34

me up, I don't, I don't like

5:36

it. I don't think it's Godly.

5:38

Yeah. I told my kids, I

5:41

said, uh, you wake me

5:43

up. Well, my, I framed it

5:45

around when you start providing

5:47

some of the resources around here.

5:49

And so we had a

5:51

rule. I forgot what the exact

5:54

rule was, but you can

5:56

only awake me if you're. bleeding

5:58

out of some kind of

6:00

orifice have a broken bone. It

6:02

was something graphic like you're

6:05

basically dying. There are there are

6:07

always exceptions to the rule.

6:09

Yeah. But outside of that. Yeah.

6:11

So that's stuck in Reed's

6:13

psyche. So he's got that in

6:15

him, just the DNA of

6:17

that. So he's afraid to wake

6:19

Missy up. But he

6:21

sends you the They send you the video.

6:24

I wish you would send that to me. That's

6:26

very interesting. Okay, so let me talk about

6:28

this video. Send me the video. I'm

6:30

not gonna send it to you

6:33

yet because you're gonna be, you'll watch

6:35

it while... While you're explaining it.

6:37

Zach, I appreciate your

6:39

transparency and you're basically

6:41

owning your vulnerabilities to

6:43

the world. That's it.

6:45

But I hate to tell you this. You

6:47

have ADD before that was a

6:50

thing. Now

6:53

they're saying it's not a thing,

6:55

but I'm saying, look at Zach and

6:57

Willie. It is a thing. I

6:59

mean, it doesn't be on this podcast.

7:01

It never makes it on the

7:03

podcast, but how many times have you

7:05

all heard a video play? I

7:07

actually, I'll read it. I'm watching a

7:09

video and I just read the

7:11

sound, but sometimes I'll forget. Turn the

7:14

sound off and we're having a

7:16

recording session and you guys like here

7:18

So you can't say you're not

7:20

transparent and look I think in light

7:22

of John three At the end

7:24

where it says we we bring out

7:26

our our failures into the light

7:28

because on the other side of darkness

7:31

Oh, actually, this is going to go perfect.

7:33

I didn't do this on purpose with what

7:35

I'm fixing to talk about. Look, I'm

7:37

pretty sure. Look, I'm

7:40

pretty sure. Well, now I'm to read this

7:42

because I was like, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

7:44

The Lord, the spirit has moved and given

7:46

me a thought is really good. But I want

7:48

to say something, Zach, because you're one of

7:50

the smartest people I know. I mean, I don't

7:52

rank rank the smart people I know and

7:54

I only have a few people that I hang

7:56

around with that are really smart. And

7:58

part of my inner circle, which Zach

8:00

is in that inner circle, because I'm

8:02

just not real bright irony of this

8:04

word. I'm fix to talk about light.

8:07

Yeah, but let me

8:09

just, you are very

8:11

bright. No, that's

8:13

not true. Well, God has

8:15

turned the light switch on,

8:18

but I'm in total, I mean, if I

8:20

can do this, anybody can do it.

8:22

So what I'm going to try to do

8:24

here, because I'm pretty sure, even though

8:26

you're one of the smartest people I know,

8:28

that you've never heard what I'm fixed

8:30

to talk about. I've never heard it. Is

8:32

this, is this... You've never heard this. And

8:35

Al, I don't think you've ever

8:37

heard this. I had never heard this

8:39

when I watched the video. Now, Zach...

8:41

He doesn't claim to know all, but

8:44

he claims to know most. So a

8:46

big thing. I

8:48

do not. I

8:50

do not. Well, I'm on a roll

8:52

today. I hope you're recording all this. That's

8:55

not true. That's not true. So I

8:57

want to read this, John 3, because this

8:59

was not part of what I was

9:01

going to talk about, but the Holy Spirit

9:03

spoke. So in verse 19,

9:05

where he says, this is the

9:07

verdict light has come into the world,

9:09

but men love darkness. instead

9:12

of light because their deeds were

9:14

evil. And everyone who does evil hates

9:16

the light and will not come

9:18

into the light for fear that his

9:20

deeds will be exposed. Oh, this

9:22

goes perfect with what I'm fixed to

9:25

share. But whoever lives by the

9:27

truth comes into the light. Yeah.

9:29

All right. This is going to

9:31

be awesome. We're probably going to

9:33

go viral with what I'm fixed

9:36

to say because look, the video

9:38

I watch as spectacular as it

9:40

was. it hasn't gone viral. There was

9:42

just a few people that have seen it. I

9:44

mean, I don't know the number. I could look it

9:46

up real quick, but it's not that many. And

9:49

the earliest, and there were three videos

9:51

and two of them was by the

9:53

same guy. Then there was a European

9:55

guy who, theologically, he

9:57

didn't get into theology much. He

9:59

did quote a few verses, but

10:02

he wasn't a dynamic

10:04

speaker. So the one

10:06

I listened to had

10:08

the dynamic speech. The

10:11

problem was his theology.

10:13

When he got to the end, I did not

10:15

agree with. I'm just going ahead and say

10:18

it because I'm sure some of you are going

10:20

to look this video up after I'm finished. And

10:22

so I think he missed the

10:24

most important thing. So I never

10:26

would recommend the video because I'm

10:29

like, well, this guy had a

10:31

wondrous, this science guy had a

10:33

wondrous discovery that no one seems

10:35

to know about. Al,

10:39

Jill and I have been using the Abide app

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10:49

know, it's interesting, I listened to mine first thing

10:51

in the morning, and the

10:53

very first one I listened to

10:55

was Jesus on the Cross, basically

10:57

talking to John and Mary and,

10:59

you know, connecting them because he

11:02

was leaving. And the whole,

11:04

you know, devotional thought was about

11:06

your parents, what happens, you

11:08

know, when you have to take care of them.

11:10

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11:12

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that's my, that's my lead

12:28

up to this. And I want

12:30

to read the Isaiah 54

12:32

because I promised on the last

12:34

podcast I'd do that. And,

12:37

uh, and I

12:39

do want to say that. My

12:43

son sent this to me.

12:45

So when my when I

12:47

responded to his texts, I

12:49

said this is awesome I think

12:51

I put I love this

12:53

in all caps. I said,

12:55

however, he did miss one vital

12:57

point about Revelation 21 Okay,

12:59

so if you read the

13:02

Isaiah 54 that I purposely

13:04

skipped over it was verse 12.

13:06

Yeah Remember when we read

13:08

this about This idea of

13:10

Israel being God's wife Yeah,

13:12

and look I want to

13:14

say something too about created

13:16

in the image of God

13:19

before the beginning of time

13:21

You know this was God's

13:23

plan to bring Jesus for

13:25

those two from all nations

13:27

to be gathered Under one

13:29

head that is Christ think

13:31

Ephesians one or Colossians you

13:33

know says that and So

13:35

in that light he's talking

13:37

about there's he's predicting Salvation

13:41

and among other things

13:43

reconciliation Everlasting love, you know,

13:45

we read the verse

13:47

in John 6 about your

13:50

children You know, you'll

13:52

teach your children. You'll pass

13:54

this on to your

13:56

children. I mean there's hope

13:58

coming Well right in

14:01

the middle of this and

14:03

Isaiah 54 He says

14:05

in verse 11 Oh afflicted

14:07

one Storm

14:09

tossed and not comforted

14:12

behold I will

14:14

set your stones in

14:16

this is antimony.

14:18

I don't even know

14:20

what that means

14:22

turquoise Turquoise, okay, and

14:25

lay your foundation

14:27

With sapphires I will

14:29

make your pinnacles

14:31

of a gate. Well,

14:33

these are all

14:35

precious stones All

14:38

right. Uh, all

14:40

of your wall of precious

14:42

stones. Oh, that's what verse

14:45

12 says. And then verse

14:47

13 says what John, uh,

14:50

quotes Jesus has saying from

14:52

here in Isaiah. So one

14:54

of the odds I'm studying

14:56

this, my son sends me

14:58

this video. So here's what

15:01

the video is about. This

15:03

science guy says he, he.

15:05

refers to Revelation 21. And

15:07

I want to read it. All

15:10

right. This is, this

15:12

is going to, this is going to blow

15:14

your mind, which I thought, Jay, before we

15:16

started, I said, are you going to wind

15:19

up in Revelation? You said, yes. So I

15:21

was thinking that's where you're second to the

15:23

last chapter in the Bible. And I want

15:25

to just say this right now for you

15:27

who are just catching up. That

15:30

Isaiah 54, when he's

15:32

describing the jewels, he's

15:34

describing the people of

15:36

Israel being redeemed in

15:38

Jesus, which are great.

15:41

The jewels are representative of

15:43

the people. So keep

15:45

that in mind. Cause when

15:47

you get to Revelation

15:49

21, people who read this

15:51

lose their mind. And

15:53

this scientist was saying, look,

15:56

he said, you know what heaven?

15:58

Here's how he framed it. He

16:00

said, you know what heaven's going

16:02

to be like? It's going to

16:04

be filled with these gemstones, these

16:06

12 of them. And he read. Now,

16:09

I disagreed with that statement, by

16:11

the way, theologically.

16:14

But. And

16:16

the reason, well, before I give

16:18

the reason, I'll go ahead and read the verse. So.

16:22

In verse nine, one of the seven angels

16:24

who have the seven bowls full of

16:26

the seven last place came and said to

16:28

me, come, I will show you the

16:30

bride, the wife of the lamb. What does

16:32

that sound familiar? Does

16:36

that sound familiar? Look, that

16:38

goes. First, we go back

16:40

to Isaiah saying that

16:42

Israel would again be God's

16:44

bride. But then it

16:46

also. Goes to like

16:48

Ephesians 5. We're the bride of

16:50

Christ because through Jesus dying

16:52

being buried and raised the spirit

16:54

being poured out people responding

16:56

to Jesus Nations from all under

16:59

heaven Become the bride of

17:01

Christ. Thank Matthew 28 great commission.

17:03

All right. We got all

17:05

that So then let me keep

17:07

reading and he carried me

17:09

away in the spirit to a

17:11

mountain Great and high and

17:13

show me the holy city Jerusalem

17:15

coming down out of heaven

17:17

Now, this scientist, bless his heart,

17:20

he's fixed to reveal something

17:22

that is absolutely stunning. However,

17:25

he has this been depicted as heaven,

17:27

and I just read that this came

17:30

out of heaven. And if you

17:32

go back to the first verse

17:34

of this in Revelation 21 -1,

17:36

he saw a new heaven, a

17:38

new earth, the first earth that

17:40

passed away and there was no longer any sea.

17:42

I saw the holy city, the new

17:45

Jerusalem coming down. out of heaven

17:47

from God prepared as a bride beautifully

17:49

dressed for her husband. So I'm

17:51

just asking you, who do you think

17:53

is talking about? What is this

17:55

city? It's got to be people. It's

17:57

got to be people. This is

17:59

a description of the church. So

18:02

anyway, now look at verse

18:04

11 of Revelation 21. It's

18:06

shown with the glory of

18:08

God. Look, its brilliance was

18:10

like that of a precious

18:12

jewel. Sound familiar?

18:15

Isaiah 54. Like

18:17

a Jasper Clairs crystal, it

18:20

had a great high wall

18:22

with 12 gates and 12

18:24

angels of the gates. Now,

18:26

does that sound familiar? How

18:28

many tribes were there in

18:30

Israel? 12. Yeah.

18:32

How many disciples did Jesus

18:34

or apostles did Jesus

18:36

pick? 12. 12 seems to

18:38

be a common theme here. On

18:40

the gates were written the names

18:43

of the 12 tribes of Israel. Well,

18:45

that answered that question. That's what

18:47

we're talking about. All

18:50

right. So you have all these

18:52

gates and foundations and the names

18:54

of the 12 apostles of the

18:56

lamb. Okay. Verse 15, the angel

18:58

who talked, he had a measuring

19:00

rod. So he starts measuring this.

19:02

I'm going to skip down to

19:04

verse 18. The wall was made

19:06

of Jasper, the city of pure

19:08

gold as pure as glass. The

19:10

foundations of the city, they had

19:13

walls with every kind of precious

19:15

stone. Now watch, the

19:17

first foundation was Jesper.

19:19

The second, Sapphire, the third, I

19:22

even pronounce it. What is your

19:24

version, say? A gate. A

19:26

gate. Calcedoni. Well, a gate,

19:28

which is what the same one in

19:30

Isaiah. The fourth,

19:32

Emerald, the fifth. What

19:35

do you have as the

19:38

fifth? Onyx. Onyx, the sixth.

19:43

Cornelian or Sardosus the seventh Chris

19:45

a light. Yeah, the eight barrel

19:47

What do you have is the

19:49

ninth and ten topaz? Yeah,

19:51

that's what I have Chris Chris

19:53

a praise. Yeah, so you have

19:55

these ten jewels now here Amethyst

19:57

is in there now look there

19:59

was two things that happened

20:01

one I disagreed with the guy

20:04

that this is a picture of

20:06

heaven I think it's a picture

20:08

of the church Number

20:10

two, and I'm gonna prove that

20:12

even further and number two

20:14

In the niv that I had

20:16

it had number six. It

20:18

had rubies bad translation It's the

20:20

only translation that has rubies,

20:22

but when I looked up the

20:25

Greek word it has that

20:27

Sardosis or what was the one

20:29

y 'all had onyx? Yeah, or

20:31

maybe I think that was

20:33

the fifth though Maybe it was

20:35

onyx, but whatever So

20:37

here's what the scientist

20:39

says this is what the

20:42

six minute video is

20:44

about and he's telling this

20:46

fellow He's like well

20:48

in the last 50 years

20:51

We have figured out

20:53

how to Make light Streamline

20:55

like make it sure

20:57

what they call pure light

21:00

And he went through this whole

21:02

thing that was totally on my head

21:04

about the reason we, you know,

21:06

light reflects in all kinds of

21:08

different ways, but they figured out just

21:11

in the last, you know, a

21:13

few years how to concentrate it.

21:15

And so just think the way

21:17

I understood he had an illustration about

21:19

wearing sunglasses that were polarized because

21:21

he called it polarized light where

21:23

there's, you can, you can like get

21:25

rid of some light through the

21:27

glasses. because you're more

21:29

focused on one set of light than

21:32

others and it actually creates a

21:34

buffer for the light. So anyway, he

21:36

went through this whole deal. And

21:39

so what's fascinating about this,

21:41

the polarized light, and think laser

21:43

lights, he also used that.

21:45

You know, like have a laser

21:47

going through space or whatever.

21:50

We figured out this through technology

21:52

and all that. So

21:54

what happened was some of these scientists

21:56

got together. And

21:58

who are believers and actually started

22:00

putting these different kinds of

22:02

jewels because what's what people are

22:05

fascinating in which is why

22:07

I believe the NIV got that

22:09

one translation wrong because Sardosis

22:11

is a lot like a ruby

22:13

in that it's red, but

22:16

it's like a ruby is a

22:18

ruby and So you see

22:20

why they translated that because they

22:22

wanted a better jewel But

22:24

what's fascinating is these 10 jewels

22:27

that are mentioned here are not the

22:29

what we in our society view

22:31

as the best jewels I mean if

22:33

I say what is the best

22:35

jewel? What's the first thing you think

22:37

of diamond diamond? Well that

22:39

diamonds that that that's enough Because

22:41

he said what happened under a

22:43

microscope when you use pure light

22:46

and you take these jewels and

22:48

you refine them down and Look

22:50

at it through a microscope using

22:52

pure light What

22:54

they found was when they

22:56

did all jewels, a lot

22:58

of the jewels went gray,

23:00

white, or black, no colors

23:02

when you purified the light

23:04

and things like diamonds. It

23:06

just looks, think coal.

23:08

It looks like coal. And he's

23:10

showing you the pictures of this

23:13

under a microscope using pure light.

23:15

But did you know that all

23:17

10 of these listed here, not

23:20

only Do they

23:22

become brighter? They all

23:24

look like a rainbow

23:26

with colors like becoming

23:29

almost greater than you

23:31

could ever imagine. Oh,

23:35

Jase, I don't know if you know

23:37

this or not, but you and I

23:39

were young lads, young men, I guess,

23:42

in the school of preaching. And

23:44

the first time I heard

23:46

the word martyr, was actually

23:48

from you. You'd been reading a

23:50

book and you were telling me about

23:52

how much it inspired you. Do

23:54

you remember that? I do remember that

23:56

because I just remember thinking why

23:58

were these people who were our witnesses

24:01

of Jesus? Choose to

24:03

give their life or have it

24:05

taken from them rather than deny

24:07

that Jesus was who he said

24:09

he was very inspiring those inspirational

24:11

stories continue on because persecution is

24:13

all around the world and voice

24:15

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24:17

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24:19

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24:21

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24:38

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24:40

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24:42

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24:44

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24:46

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24:48

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24:50

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24:52

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24:54

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24:59

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25:25

What the guy's point was

25:27

is we just discovered that

25:29

in the last 50 years. How

25:32

did the writer of

25:34

the book of Revelation

25:36

know that? You

25:39

think, well, maybe he just got lucky, you know,

25:41

which I think he was carried along by the

25:43

Holy Spirit. But it comes back to what I

25:45

started to in John 3. When,

25:48

if you're basing it on

25:50

human eyes, we pick the

25:52

diamonds, the rubies, the opal.

25:54

Well, none of these reflect

25:56

under a microscope with intense

25:58

light. Well, think about all

26:00

the verses that says, you

26:03

know, God lives in unapproachable

26:05

light, you know? And

26:07

think about too, where Revelation

26:09

is going when it says

26:11

verse 22, I

26:14

did not see a temple in

26:16

the city. because the Lord

26:18

God Almighty and the Lamb are

26:20

its temple. Look at

26:22

the next verse. The city

26:24

does not need the sun

26:26

or the moon to shine

26:28

on it, for the glory

26:30

of God gives it light

26:32

and the Lamb is its

26:34

lamp. So get

26:37

the picture of what he's really writing.

26:39

You take these stones that are precious stones,

26:41

but they're not the ones that we

26:43

think are the best. But

26:45

when you look at them through

26:47

the eyes of God's light, his

26:49

illustration as this is the

26:51

vision of people that are redeemed

26:53

by God, they're actually way more

26:55

beautiful and colorful than you

26:57

could ever imagine. Wow.

27:03

That's pretty good. I was like,

27:05

but look, the guy missed the

27:07

whole point because he said, this

27:09

is the place you're going. So

27:12

that's why it just went. I

27:14

was like, no, these are

27:16

the place we are. This

27:18

is the people that are

27:20

described by God being redeemed

27:22

by the blood of Christ

27:24

and be transformed into light

27:26

that becomes even greater than

27:28

we could ever ask or

27:30

imagine. And that's the way

27:32

we're depicted as our eternal

27:34

dwelling. How did the

27:37

how did the writer of this

27:39

revelation had that knowledge because he was

27:41

revealed to him by the Holy

27:43

Spirit. When you were saying that a

27:45

couple of things popped in my

27:47

mind, the first, I'll take a say,

27:49

I want to go to three

27:51

places, but the first thing I thought

27:54

about was Ephesians 3 .10, which I'll

27:56

tell you in a second what

27:58

that says. But then I was reminded

28:00

of the end of the Hebrew

28:02

canon. So what we canonize is the

28:04

Hebrew scriptures, the

28:06

very last verse in

28:08

the Hebrew Canon

28:10

is 2nd Chronicles chapter

28:12

36 verse 23.

28:15

So this is how

28:17

the entire Hebrew

28:19

Canon ends. It

28:21

ends with a direct call for

28:23

the Messiah to appear and to

28:25

build a temple in Jerusalem. This

28:27

is what it says. I

28:29

mean, this is how the whole

28:31

thing ends verse 23. Thus says,

28:33

Cyrus King of Persia the Lord

28:35

the God of heaven has given

28:37

me all the kingdoms of the

28:40

earth and he has charged me

28:42

to build him a house at

28:44

Jerusalem, which is Judah who ever

28:46

is among you all of his

28:48

people may the Lord His God

28:50

be with him let him go

28:52

up so you see that the

28:54

Hebrew Canon ends with a call

28:56

for the messianic figure to build

28:58

a temple fast forward move to

29:00

the New Testament Jesus says destroy

29:03

this temple. I'll rebuild it in

29:05

three days. Speaking of his

29:07

body, they do destroy the temple.

29:10

He does rebuild it in three days. His

29:12

body is resurrected. He becomes, according

29:14

to the book of Ephesians, the

29:16

cornerstone of the temple. And now

29:18

he's going to graft all people

29:20

into this eschatological kingdom, which is

29:22

exactly the thing that he's talking

29:24

about in Revelation 21, because he's

29:26

looked around. I didn't see a

29:29

temple. I didn't see a temple.

29:31

Why? Because the lamb himself is the temple.

29:33

He's the cornerstone of the temple where the

29:35

living stones built upon the temple. The whole

29:37

point of it is that Gentiles will now

29:39

be grafted in with Jewish people into becoming

29:41

a holy temple built upon the cornerstone, growing

29:43

up into the temple of the Lord. I

29:45

think that's an Ephesians 2. Skip

29:47

over to Ephesians 3 and he

29:49

says that is the mystery. What

29:51

I just said is the mystery.

29:53

that the Gentiles are going to

29:56

be grafted in the mystery that

29:58

was hidden for ages. But

30:01

he says that through the church, the

30:04

manifold wisdom of God might be known

30:06

to the rulers and the authorities in

30:08

the heavenly places. And you know that

30:10

word manifold, you know that when a

30:12

lot of people translate that to be

30:14

multicolored, a multicolored variation

30:16

of the kingdom. Yeah, that's what

30:18

the manifestation word means. I've noticed

30:21

that before, too. Which look I

30:23

mean this is so I mean

30:25

to me it's so exhilarating. I

30:27

mean, that's why it was so

30:29

exciting I mean, that's how the

30:31

church to your point is Being

30:34

described here. Well, and Jase I

30:36

thought about I thought about one

30:38

thing when you were describing that

30:40

the whenever the earth flooded When

30:42

because you know it never rained

30:44

Until the flood I mean we

30:47

never read about any race said

30:49

they were missed You know that

30:51

went over and and watered things

30:53

and all of a sudden there's

30:55

this massive rainfall So as skies

30:57

turned dark 40 days and 49

31:00

it's it's such a rain such

31:02

a flood of the deeps opened

31:04

up and then what was the

31:06

sign That there would be something

31:08

better than just sin and death

31:10

it was refracted light Through water,

31:13

which is what we know as

31:15

a rainbow Yeah, which was the

31:17

sign of a promise. Exactly. Yeah.

31:19

So what happens, I love, man,

31:21

it's really good, Jason. mean, I

31:23

looked up the word manifold in

31:26

lexicon, diverse, various,

31:29

multicolored is literally much

31:31

varied. It means

31:33

many sided, variegated, greatly

31:35

diversified, abounding in

31:37

variety. So when I think

31:39

about that, I'm thinking, man, there's

31:41

like nations, people, diversity, complexity. And

31:44

if you read Revelation 21 verse

31:46

26 says, they will bring into the

31:48

glory and the honor of the

31:50

nations. I mean,

31:52

you see the picture is right

31:54

here in Revelation 21. That's

31:57

interesting in that it's through

31:59

the light, it's through the revelation

32:02

of who Christ is that

32:04

we essentially gain our agency, but

32:06

we don't lose Our

32:08

diversity in that, it's that something

32:10

beautiful happens through the elimination of

32:12

the light, the pure light that's

32:14

Christ, that the diversity becomes

32:16

highlighted and magnified. And at

32:18

the same time, there's some weird

32:21

way that it's all unified.

32:23

No, I agree. That's what stood

32:25

out to me, too, was

32:27

the fact that we're not diamonds.

32:30

It's not the ones we would think,

32:32

because when you think you're something, you

32:34

think you're a diamond, you don't think you need

32:36

God. You know? It's like, to

32:38

me, that was, they didn't talk about

32:40

all that. I mean, you gotta remember,

32:43

these are kind of boring scientists that

32:45

stumbled upon something, and they

32:47

weren't even making the points that I

32:49

thought they should be making. I was

32:51

like, one thing is, this is us.

32:53

Are you crazy? And another thing, I

32:55

wrote down some notes because this was

32:57

obviously over my head on the light

32:59

part. So the ones that turn gray,

33:02

black or white, like the under this

33:04

intense light, it's

33:06

called isotropic. And

33:08

just in case you want to

33:10

research this, the ones that turned in

33:12

the beautiful rainbows beyond the colors

33:14

that they even have was called an

33:16

isotropic. But you know what

33:18

the process that they called that

33:20

they didn't even mention? To

33:23

discover this was called that

33:25

they they call it. It's

33:27

called cross polarized light Because

33:29

light reflects off so many

33:31

things that and so but

33:33

they called it the crop

33:35

you get it the cross

33:37

Yeah, was like well that

33:39

you buried the lead there, dude.

33:41

I mean stop take a time

33:43

out on what? You know

33:45

how we became new creatures.

33:47

I love days that you described

33:50

What he missed about it is

33:52

the same thing. I have

33:55

to say, most of religious people

33:57

and people of God miss

33:59

it, too. When they misunderstand that

34:01

eternal life is more about

34:03

quality of life than quantity of

34:05

life. I mean, we've

34:07

made it more just about the

34:10

idea of forever instead of the

34:12

idea of forever. What forever being

34:14

the light of God. I

34:16

mean, that and that begins

34:18

now. Yes, exactly. Look,

34:21

it's the same thing about, you

34:23

know, imaging God that we've been

34:25

discussing. And when the

34:27

God's kingdom is among the

34:29

earth now, we're members of

34:31

it. And the quality that

34:33

you have as being a

34:35

representative of the kingdom. And

34:38

now, I mean, just in

34:40

light of that, just think

34:42

of that. I mean, you're

34:44

whatever jewel you want to

34:46

be in that list through

34:48

God's light shining on you.

34:50

Oh, you're more way more

34:52

spectacular than any jewel to

34:54

the eye out there of

34:56

the earth on the earth.

34:58

You know, which is interesting

35:00

because the the world, particularly

35:03

in like secular leftist culture

35:05

is attempting to hold up

35:07

diversity. And by

35:09

doing so, they're actually

35:11

trying to create

35:13

ironically a homogenous like

35:15

singular identity. and

35:17

they end up erasing diversity. And

35:19

that's one of the points that

35:22

Francis Schaefer makes in his book.

35:25

I forget what book it was then,

35:27

but he talks a whole lot about

35:29

how it's only in the framework of

35:31

a triune God that you can actually

35:33

elevate and maximize diversity and unity. I

35:35

think that's what's beautiful about the kingdom.

35:37

Like what we're seeing here, like this

35:40

is, this is the, if you really

35:42

want, if you really believe in diversity

35:44

and inclusion, this is

35:46

it. True diversity and inclusion

35:48

can only happen within

35:50

a Trinitarian framework because God

35:52

is both diverse and

35:54

he is one. So

35:58

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know that's mind boggling

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for us, but it

37:39

is who God is.

37:42

He made us in his

37:44

image. He doesn't erase our

37:46

autonomy. He didn't create a bunch

37:48

of robots. He created image

37:50

bears that image him, and

37:53

part of that imaging of him

37:55

is that we actually live out our

37:57

colorful, diverse giftings for his glory.

37:59

And that creates an overflows in the

38:01

new life and life abundantly. But

38:03

I also look at how the evil

38:05

one tries to rob that because

38:07

I mean, remember the man of lawlessness

38:09

and second person is the idea

38:11

he masquerades as an angel of light.

38:13

It's this false light. I think

38:15

about it. It's like a diamond. It's

38:17

like a diamond. And everybody looks

38:19

at it and says, oh, or look

38:21

at the rainbow. I mean, it's

38:23

been hijacked. By a lifestyle

38:25

in our culture that we look now

38:27

we see a rainbow and a flag and

38:29

I was like oh man, and we're

38:31

all depressed It was our sign first. Oh,

38:34

that's why that's why when I asked

38:36

y 'all had you ever heard this I

38:38

knew you hadn't because people you know We've

38:40

given up the rainbow as people of

38:42

God because there's another group of people that

38:44

they've made that their flagship Oh,

38:46

no, that was God's flagship.

38:48

And I just read to you,

38:51

we need to bring it

38:53

back. You need to wake up

38:55

tomorrow and say, hey, I'm

38:57

a sapphire set on fire by

38:59

the pure light of Jesus

39:01

shining through me. Step back

39:03

and allow me to burn in front

39:05

of you. I mean, that was the

39:07

idea of this Revelation 21. I mean,

39:09

it's like... been set on fire in

39:11

a good way by the pure light

39:13

of Jesus. Yeah, there's a there. I

39:16

don't know if this is actually true.

39:18

I think it's debatable, but I almost

39:20

say it like it's true because it's

39:22

awesome if it whether it's true or

39:24

not. But it was one of the

39:26

Wesley brothers. I can't remember which one

39:28

they would. Everywhere this guy would go. John

39:31

Wesley. I think it was John

39:33

Wesley. Everywhere he would go and

39:35

preach. Revival

39:37

would break out and it was like

39:39

everybody's like man, like you have like

39:41

this incredible annoying thing on you

39:43

like what is your secret? What is

39:45

the what's your method? They want to

39:48

know they wanted to know the method

39:50

of his technique so that they could

39:52

replicate this revival renewal movement and

39:54

It's written that he said this not

39:56

sure if you really said yeah, I've

39:58

read this to your own target is

40:00

yeah, the right guy he said All

40:02

I do is I catch on

40:04

fire and people come to watch

40:06

me burn. You know

40:09

what's funny about this video? So

40:11

I said there was three

40:13

videos that nobody much has watched.

40:15

Well, at the end of

40:17

one of them, they had found

40:19

a sermon from like 30

40:21

or 40 years ago and it

40:23

was a clip and think,

40:26

you know, like a charismatic preacher.

40:28

I mean, he was preaching

40:30

this without any scientific knowledge, but

40:32

basically saying there was something

40:34

He had figured out without the

40:36

scientific research that I shared

40:38

with you that he chose lesser

40:41

jewels because of this principle

40:43

of God shining the light which

40:45

made you brighter. And he

40:47

didn't even know the research, which

40:49

I thought was really cool

40:51

because I thought that's a spirit

40:53

field preacher who had figured

40:56

it out without any scientific research.

40:58

which I thought kudos to that guy, tip of the

41:00

hat. That's why I asked 'all if you ever heard

41:03

this. Had you ever heard this before? I

41:05

haven't. No, I have not. Oh, well,

41:07

good. I made a prediction, but I was

41:09

going to say, Jays, there's a, uh,

41:11

tell my culture. There's a show out right

41:13

now and someone, the only reason I'm

41:15

aware of it is someone sent me a

41:17

note and asked me if I'd ever heard

41:19

of it. It's called the righteous gemstones. And

41:22

I, and, uh, I think it's on one

41:24

of the premium channels on cable. And

41:26

so I looked, I looked it

41:28

up and I said, no. And

41:30

so I looked it up, see

41:32

what it And it's basically a

41:34

spoof of like religious people and

41:36

like this family of people, their

41:38

names are gemstone, but they're all

41:40

fake. They're all false in there.

41:42

They're all just money grubbers. And

41:44

yeah, it's, they're, they're highlighting and

41:46

turning it into a satire, more

41:48

kind of your prosperity gospel preachers.

41:50

Right. Exactly. But I just

41:52

thought to your name of it,

41:54

Tom, at these gemstones, I thought, man,

41:57

that's exactly what the whole it's

41:59

always the world is always about that,

42:01

which is not real. It's the

42:03

fake gemstones. Well, here's the problem now

42:05

is like so because my wife's

42:07

out of town and so I'm doing

42:09

this. My son, you know, I

42:11

sent this to him and I was

42:13

like, it made me feel so

42:15

good that I'm that my son found

42:17

this. despite it not having

42:19

many views and sending and saying, what

42:22

do you think about this? Because he

42:24

wasn't like, oh, this is the greatest.

42:26

He was just like, what do you

42:28

think about this? But what hit me

42:30

was one, I'm really glad my son

42:32

is sending his dad videos about Bible

42:34

things saying, what do you think? And

42:37

number two is it hit me. I

42:40

thought after I finished all this three

42:42

hours later, after I went down on

42:44

these rabbit holes, I

42:46

thought, how am I going to

42:48

tell Missy that she needs to

42:50

throw away this diamond ring that

42:53

I bought for her? Because

42:55

this is almost a

42:57

form of pagan ritualistic

42:59

worship here. I

43:03

was like, oh no, why did

43:05

I buy that diamond? That was a

43:07

reflection that I didn't know my

43:09

body. No, no, you're looking at the

43:11

wrong way. That's okay to have

43:14

because we don't look at that and

43:16

says, man, that's beautiful and sparkles.

43:18

But just realize that the God's gemstones

43:20

are worth way more. I'm

43:22

gonna push back on you. I

43:24

think that she does need to get

43:26

rid of it. And I would

43:28

invite our entire audience to send your

43:30

diamonds to me to dispose of.

43:32

Whole Money Man, resurfaces. And

43:34

I will dispose of them properly because

43:36

it is, you should not. But the

43:38

reason this hits home to me, Jayce,

43:40

is because we just had a new

43:43

insurance guy, you know, our buddy Richard

43:45

did our insurance and we had to

43:47

tally up how much jewelry Lisa had

43:49

to know an amount of what it's

43:51

worth to insure it. And I was

43:53

embarrassed. I thought there was over a

43:55

lifetime of collection, but I was like,

43:57

are you kidding? I said, we might

43:59

need to have a sell off around

44:01

here, but that didn't go too well

44:03

with Lisa. So. Well, what I,

44:05

you know, it's funny. I'm thinking about one

44:07

of my best friends is a diamond dealer.

44:09

He's a wholesale diamond guy. That's what he

44:11

does. Oh, by the way, that's, he's gotten

44:13

a lot of my money. Yeah, same guy. So

44:16

I'm going to. Yeah,

44:19

I think this was going to go

44:21

viral. I mean, because I was like,

44:23

this needs to get out. Of course,

44:25

look, and I think it goes back

44:27

to John six and that here's Jesus

44:29

making this illustration. I mean, we went

44:31

back to Isaiah 54. Now I've already

44:33

gone back there and picked out another

44:35

verse and gone to Revelation 21 about

44:37

this picture of the redeemed, you know,

44:39

in the afterlife. But.

44:42

You know through this I realized some

44:44

arguments in that one. I didn't

44:46

like how the NIV Translated one of

44:48

them rubies and because it made

44:50

me judge their motives I thought oh

44:52

they want because it's more valuable

44:54

So they're like because they're looking at

44:56

it from in my mind. Oh

44:58

Heaven is expensive You know there's streets

45:00

of gold because that's the same

45:02

chapter that talks about the streets are

45:04

paved with gold What do you

45:06

actually think there's gonna be gold streets

45:08

and this? Cause what it's

45:10

actually saying is, is that the idea

45:12

that gold will be something is like

45:14

us saying, ooh, look at that asphalt

45:16

out there in my driveway. Now

45:19

I think it's saying you

45:21

are streets of gold. You

45:23

know, it's a depiction of

45:25

people living or let me

45:27

rephrase that. It's God dwelling

45:29

with streets of gold that

45:32

he has made that are

45:34

actually people. So look,

45:36

it's. Fantastic, which makes us

45:38

go back to John one

45:40

because look how it kind

45:42

of changed the way I

45:44

viewed where we've gone from

45:46

John one up until now

45:48

because that's why I said

45:50

that John three popped in

45:53

my head about everything exposed

45:55

by the light becomes visible

45:57

that it should be Resulting

45:59

and praise to God. Yeah,

46:01

think about John one where

46:03

they started in verse nine

46:06

Or verse eight we're talking about

46:08

John the Baptist's role and

46:10

think look lesser gym of humanity

46:12

because you look at John

46:14

he was at a Camel skin

46:16

and eight bugs and you're

46:18

not thinking this is a very

46:21

powerful Person, but God used

46:23

him and actually called him the

46:25

greatest human ever born But

46:27

he said he himself was not

46:29

the light He came

46:31

only as a witness to

46:33

the light the true light

46:36

that gives light to every

46:38

man was coming into the

46:40

world and I just think

46:42

it was so fascinating that

46:44

some scientists looking at pure

46:47

Powerful light reflecting in the

46:49

gym world that is used

46:51

in Revelation 21 that all

46:53

of a sudden becomes under

46:55

a microscope Something way more

46:58

spectacular than was ever known

47:00

Of course, they were only

47:02

concerned with how did that

47:04

writer know that, but I've

47:06

given you all these practical

47:08

applications that should just fire

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up followers of Jesus. Hey,

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Jason, have you ever been tricked

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Americans for Americans In the Jordan Peterson

49:04

like kind of orbit or the This

49:06

other group that I went to

49:08

this thing called the art conference kind

49:10

of in that whole orbit There's

49:13

a phrase that a lot of people

49:15

are talking about in culture right

49:17

now and it's it's called The meaning

49:19

crisis I think there's a crisis

49:21

of meaning that the secular world is

49:23

like taking note of and taking

49:25

away This is a lot of people

49:27

that at our church for example

49:29

That have come to know Christ. In

49:31

fact, we had a podcast if

49:33

I'm not yet now where I interviewed

49:35

a couple that came out of

49:37

Silicon Valley, Jordan and Vanessa

49:39

Hall. Jordan Hall was actually on Jordan

49:41

Peterson's podcast recently, but they talk about

49:43

this meaning crisis and they're searching for

49:45

like, how do we build this utopia?

49:48

How do we find meaning in the

49:50

world? Like everything seems to be falling

49:52

apart in the age of deconstruction. We

49:54

don't know what's what anymore. And

49:56

it's like a real issue that's

49:58

like people are coming to the

50:00

end of the rope and they're

50:03

saying, Man, this is not good.

50:05

There is no meaning. So when

50:07

you were reading that verse about

50:09

Jesus being the light of the

50:11

world, I mean, one of the

50:13

ways that Jesus heals the world

50:15

is he brings meaning by illuminating

50:17

and giving things context by exposing.

50:20

We think about you turn on a light. That's

50:22

what it does like it. You can

50:24

see what's in the room out now. There's

50:27

meaning I'm not in a dark room

50:29

Stumbling around trying to figure my way out

50:31

and I can see the couch I

50:33

can see the the stool on the floor

50:35

I can see the things around me

50:37

and I can maneuver and I have context

50:39

now the interactive and then the second

50:41

part of that Which is interesting because if

50:43

you get into like that Jordan Peterson

50:45

orbit or Jonathan Paggio who's got a podcast

50:47

out there who does a lot of iconic

50:50

art and stuff. There's a

50:52

whole other conversation that's directly adjacent

50:54

to this, which has to

50:56

do with beauty. And

50:58

so not only do you find

51:00

meaning in context in Christ, you

51:02

find beauty in Christ. And

51:04

that's what I, when I read that

51:06

passage in Revelation 21, it's not just a

51:09

cognitive understanding and a way for me

51:11

to make sense of the world. It's also

51:13

a way for me to appreciate and

51:15

experience the beauty that Christ

51:17

is in the world. Exactly. That's

51:20

why I'm making the point.

51:22

I realize that, Al, in this

51:24

process that I've delayed the

51:26

finishing of John 6 once again,

51:28

but I didn't know y 'all

51:30

were going to be this

51:32

enamored with this. I'm pleasantly surprised.

51:34

But I was excited about

51:37

it. But I just want to

51:39

say that's why we keep

51:41

harping on. You must read the

51:43

Bible. filtering everything

51:45

through Jesus. He is the

51:47

light of the world. He does illuminate

51:49

us. And I'll give you an example of

51:51

that. You know, when I referenced that

51:53

1 Timothy 6 passage, I mean, this thing

51:55

really came to life after what all

51:57

we've just talked about, Revelation 21. When

52:00

in 612 of 1 Timothy 6,

52:02

it says, fight the good fight

52:04

of the faith. Take hold to

52:06

the eternal life to which you

52:08

were called, which is

52:10

really what Revelation 21

52:12

is describing eternity itself with

52:14

God, you know, in

52:16

the dwelling, dwelling with God

52:19

as people. But here, you

52:21

know, we fight the good fight. And

52:23

this encourages us to do that, these

52:25

facts that we've just talked about. But

52:27

then it goes on to say, when you

52:29

made your good confession in the presence of many

52:32

witnesses, in the sight of

52:34

God, which is really what

52:36

What that whole experiment by the

52:38

scientists they were taking this

52:40

incredible force of light that would

52:42

burn a hole right there

52:44

you're looking at a gemstone In

52:46

the sight of God who

52:48

gives life to everything and of

52:50

Christ Jesus who while testifying

52:53

before Pilate made the good confession

52:55

I charge you to keep

52:57

this command without spot or blame

52:59

Until the appearing of our

53:01

Lord Jesus Christ which God will

53:03

bring about in his own

53:05

time, which he's eternal. So that's

53:07

kind of a hot thing

53:09

to say. God, the blessed

53:11

and only ruler, the king of kings

53:13

and the Lord of lords. Well, we

53:16

know who that's talking about. Jesus,

53:18

who alone is immortal

53:20

and who lives in

53:22

unapproachable light whom no

53:24

one has seen or

53:26

can see to him

53:28

be honor and might

53:30

forever. And that's why it makes

53:33

sense on these passages that John said, God,

53:35

the one and only Son is

53:37

at the right hand of God

53:39

has made him known. He's made

53:42

him available. So when

53:44

you try to read the

53:46

Bible like all the people grumbling

53:48

and arguing with Jesus in

53:50

John 6, that's what he was

53:52

trying to connect. This is

53:55

about me. I want to illuminate

53:57

you. And let you

53:59

see this. No, I think that's

54:01

so good because it hits exactly

54:03

the theme that Jesus is hitting

54:05

here in John chapter six because

54:07

they're not recognizing his light. They're

54:09

not recognizing him as light. They're

54:12

recognizing him as the Messiah. And

54:14

I will say this because we've

54:16

been in the Old Testament and

54:18

we're going to go there again

54:20

because this same theme I wanted

54:22

to read in Deuteronomy seven, which

54:25

we will on the next podcast. was

54:27

way back when, you know, the

54:30

idea that somehow the people were

54:32

special, but God wasn't is a

54:34

false narrative. And that's what continues

54:36

to happen throughout history. And so

54:38

that's what Jesus is trying to

54:40

show them in John six. The

54:42

idea is you should know. Remember

54:45

what he told Nicodemus? He said,

54:47

you should know this. Exactly.

54:49

You're a Israel's teacher. I think

54:51

we should give an assignment for the

54:53

next podcast for our faithful listeners

54:56

to read Deuteronomy seven. And

54:58

then chapter 30 and then chapter

55:00

32 and then just Google a Deuteronomy

55:02

overview because that's basically what we're

55:04

going to do. And I think by

55:06

doing that, we're going to address

55:08

some of these arguments. You remember a

55:10

few podcasts ago where we said

55:12

the modern religious world, they go to

55:15

John six and they have all

55:17

these arguments that have come out of

55:19

John chapter six. And I think

55:21

we're going to solve a lot of

55:23

these by reading the

55:26

Deuteronomy chapters that we just referenced,

55:28

and I think a light bulb

55:30

will come on. Yeah, and look,

55:32

it's the same way Jesus presented

55:34

when he was teaching. He went

55:36

back and showed that this has

55:38

all been designed throughout time. And

55:40

I love this picture that you

55:42

created, Jase, with the idea that

55:44

when the eternal shines through us,

55:47

Uh, who are only eternal by the

55:49

grace of God. I mean, by

55:51

our own actions, by our own sinfulness,

55:53

by our own mistakes, by our

55:55

own frailty and our own limited nature.

55:57

It can't be in us. So

55:59

somehow we had to be redeemed for

56:01

eternity, but that happened when we

56:03

became believers and we believed in who

56:05

Jesus was and he sent his

56:07

spirit to live in our heart. I

56:09

mean, that's, that's the essence of

56:11

where we're headed. No conversation from a

56:13

personal stem. Standpoint to

56:15

it, you know, it's okay to

56:17

go outside your little camp which

56:20

I try not to have a

56:22

camp outside of God Jesus and

56:24

the Holy Spirit but It shows

56:26

you that even though I disagreed

56:28

with some of their theology, you

56:30

know, yeah They revealed something that

56:32

I thought oh, so I thought

56:34

you know, I'm gonna make this

56:36

video go viral, but it'd be

56:38

better to make our application of

56:40

being in jesus go viral because

56:42

i think that was what was

56:44

lacking to this discovery you know

56:47

how it wasn't applied to a

56:49

place it was applied to

56:51

human beings on the planet, which

56:53

you are one. No, that's good. So

56:55

we're out of time. So you

56:57

had your assignment, Unashamed Nation. Do

56:59

a little look into, do what

57:01

you said, do around me seven,

57:03

30 and 32. That's the three

57:05

chapters that I wanted to highlight.

57:08

And we'll touch on that. And

57:10

it's at some point, at some

57:12

point, we're going to finish up

57:14

John six, just not, just not

57:16

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