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unashamed. What about you? Welcome

1:00

back to the Unashamed podcast.

1:03

Jason, the last podcast

1:05

you were talking about

1:07

celebrating resurrection Sunday is

1:09

what I like to

1:11

call it in Nashville.

1:13

Reed was leading worship.

1:15

I was in Gulf Shores down

1:17

here at the Southern Laird. So

1:20

for the first time, and as

1:22

far back as I can remember,

1:24

I'm guessing it's got to be...

1:26

over 20 years. I was not

1:28

preaching on Easter Sunday and

1:30

typically Mike and I usually preach

1:33

together at WBA Forest kind of

1:35

been a tradition since he came

1:37

back 20 plus years ago and

1:39

so it was very strange not

1:42

being there. We had family down here,

1:44

old Stone came down, we caught some

1:46

crabs out in the lagoon and had

1:48

a big crab and shrimp bowl and

1:50

it was a lot of fun. I

1:52

had a great weekend together and so

1:55

that day we tuned in. And one

1:57

of the things it was I loved

1:59

that all of course. It's just such

2:01

a great day because for preachers it's

2:03

like Super Bowl Sunday. Because you know,

2:06

there's always a lot of people

2:08

there. And I wish they were

2:10

there all the time, but you

2:12

know, it's just kind of the

2:14

way it works. But at the

2:16

end of it, something amazing happened.

2:18

Our old friend, John Godwin, who's

2:20

on our sister podcast in the

2:22

duck call room from time to

2:24

time. He, he baptized his son-in-law

2:26

at the end. Yeah, of the

2:28

service of, you know, Sunday. And

2:30

it really touched me because, you

2:32

know, obviously I've been there the

2:34

whole time with him and Johanna,

2:37

their daughter, I married him. And

2:39

I remember seeing this young man

2:41

for the first time. And, you

2:43

know, he came into one of

2:45

our house churches because they started

2:47

dating. And he was, I don't

2:49

know, exactly sure where he was

2:51

on the scale of... belief. I

2:53

mean he was somewhere in between

2:55

atheist and agnostic and for sure

2:57

a skeptic and he was you

2:59

know he's pretty bold about it

3:01

like you don't see that much

3:03

because you're coming into like a

3:05

Christian environment especially in a house

3:07

church but he was I mean

3:09

fact-checking everything we were talking about

3:12

you on his phone the whole

3:14

time we were having this and

3:16

I was thinking to myself quite

3:18

honestly I was thinking man Johanna

3:20

needs to she needs to move

3:22

on this kid is not going

3:24

to be worth the effort. Well,

3:26

they wind up falling in love,

3:28

get married, and this journey that

3:30

now brought him to Sunday has

3:32

been remarkable to watch. And one

3:34

of the things that I think

3:36

was so beautiful about it, and

3:38

I sent a text to Godman,

3:40

just, you know, congratulating him and

3:42

getting to be in that moment

3:45

with his son-in-law, was really cool.

3:47

And I said, you know, your

3:49

example, yours and Paula, of grace,

3:51

and just really, you know, patience.

3:53

and working with your daughter and

3:55

your son-in-law and ultimately leading him

3:57

to Christ was such an inspiration

3:59

to me. So John sent me

4:01

this text back and I wanted

4:03

to share it on the podcast. He

4:05

said, he said thanks, you know,

4:07

and he had gone to a

4:09

city, I had gone to a

4:11

men's retreat, which made a huge

4:13

impact on his life. And he

4:15

said, here's what his son-in-law said.

4:17

He said, Jesus was baptized when

4:20

he was 30 by a man named

4:22

John. And so I thought that was pretty

4:24

good. And Gowan said, and you got

4:26

to hear it in Gowan's voice, I

4:28

guess. I don't know what that means,

4:30

but I'm in great company. And

4:33

so I thought that was pretty cool

4:35

that the whole idea of that happening

4:37

in their lives. So it's just, I

4:39

don't know, I thought, what better way

4:42

to end your time together as a

4:44

family on resurrection Sunday than watching a

4:46

new birth? Watching some may get raised

4:48

up out of the watery grave, the

4:50

baptism. What was the, did he go

4:53

to one of the mens retreat treats?

4:55

Is that what it was? I'm telling

4:57

you, something, there's something happening at those

4:59

things. I've never seen anything quite

5:02

like it. Oh, no question. And

5:04

you know what's happening at all

5:06

of them, Chase, is confession of

5:08

sin. I've seen, I mean, it

5:10

is, it's insane. What is going on

5:13

at these men's retreats? I mean,

5:15

they're very powerful. Well, you know

5:17

what I love about the whole

5:19

thing. I mean, in and of

5:21

itself, your rights act, it's a

5:23

really cool thing that happens. It's

5:25

almost kind of like adult camp,

5:27

you know, for men and women.

5:29

But the idea that every few

5:31

years, the Almighty sends a wave

5:33

through His Holy Spirit, Jesus right.

5:35

that you know there'll be different methods I

5:38

mean at one time it was small groups

5:40

at one time it was you know bus

5:42

ministry there's all these different things that come

5:44

along yeah but they all have the same

5:47

thing in mind leading people to him

5:49

and you know we just kind of have to

5:51

be ready to catch the next wave whatever it's

5:53

going to be I never know and it may

5:55

not even be your thing it may not

5:57

be something you would have ever thought would

5:59

it be a effective, but it is, you

6:02

know. Oh, exactly. Well, since

6:04

we're confessing our sins, I

6:06

was up in Nashville and

6:08

I, you know, I tried

6:10

this surprise, which didn't go

6:12

real well. However, you know,

6:14

it was the experience itself,

6:16

I mean, participating in Resurrection

6:19

Sunday, because really every day

6:21

is resurrection day for believers.

6:23

I mean, yeah, you just

6:25

told this story. I mean,

6:28

it. that it's happening,

6:30

as Zach always says,

6:32

now and later. I mean, we,

6:34

because of the resurrection, we

6:36

can be new creations

6:39

on the planet. And so, uh,

6:41

I got to, you know, go to

6:43

Nashville and be with my family,

6:46

and which was awesome. And

6:48

I have a similar story.

6:50

I mean, I remember when

6:52

I met Reed's. Wife who was

6:54

girlfriend at the time and

6:56

I remember I did the

6:59

typical investigation and the questions You

7:01

know you know do this this woman

7:03

love Jesus, you know because I'm

7:05

like if you're talking about this

7:08

is getting serious. You're gonna

7:10

spend the rest of your life

7:12

Of course now fast forward a

7:14

few years and three grandkids later,

7:16

and I'm like oh She was

7:18

for my son. I had it backwards, you

7:20

know I mean she is a

7:22

wonderful, her name is so

7:24

right and it's weird because

7:27

she actually listens to the

7:29

podcast. So I told a

7:31

funny story that happened to

7:33

me, speaking of confessing your sins,

7:35

that's where I was making the

7:38

connection. Yeah. But really a sin,

7:40

it was just something really stupid

7:42

I did. I told this story

7:44

when we were all gathered up

7:46

for a meal and they thought

7:49

it was hilarious, which I wasn't

7:51

really telling it to be funny.

7:53

I just thought, you're not going

7:55

to believe, because we were talking

7:58

about how the older you get. You

8:00

can't remember things quite like you used

8:02

to, you know. And so before I

8:04

left on this whirlwind of a trip,

8:06

going to do an event and then

8:08

going off to Nashville and all that,

8:11

the night before I went and visited

8:13

my mom and dad, which we have

8:15

them together, which is the kind of

8:17

the goal of their condition right now,

8:20

and they've been doing so much

8:22

better now that they're finally together,

8:24

because my mom... was in the

8:26

hospital for, I don't know how

8:29

long, how long was it. A

8:31

couple of months. Yeah, couple of

8:33

months. And it was looking

8:35

dicey. And my dad, you

8:38

know, mentally, he's just not

8:40

clicking on all cylinders. And

8:43

physically, he's got a lot

8:45

of problems. But we have

8:47

them together. And so I

8:49

was visiting them by myself.

8:51

It was just a tough evening.

8:54

And so I'll wind up standing

8:56

there for a few, about three

8:58

hours, I guess. Well, you know, when

9:00

I left, I was hungry. And I

9:03

usually, you know, I don't eat

9:05

at fast food places in general.

9:07

And I never have an hour. I

9:09

think it's just because of the way

9:12

we were raised. And I just

9:14

soon do it myself. You know, and

9:16

when I'm a bachelor, Mrs. gone, you

9:18

know, I just, I usually kind of

9:21

live off the land. I mean, I

9:23

go catch fish, you know, I get

9:25

the eggs from the hen house, and

9:27

that's just kind of what I do.

9:30

What do you call it, Jay's God's

9:32

grocery store? Yeah, I go to God's

9:34

grocery store and just live, and I

9:36

take pride in it, you know. And

9:39

so, but in that moment, I hadn't

9:41

eaten since breakfast. I had

9:43

been here, and I was like,

9:45

I started this qualifies as fast

9:48

food. But Outback has some

9:50

as an appetizer. They have

9:52

one little shrimp configuration, I

9:55

think it's called coconut shrimp,

9:57

and they sell Ahi tuna.

10:00

Which is I mean they just go

10:02

get a you know some tuna from

10:04

somewhere and cut it up so good.

10:06

Oh, it's good So I said you

10:08

know what I'm gonna go do this

10:10

so I take off and What's funny

10:12

is I hadn't been to a restaurant

10:14

so long and I hadn't been out

10:16

back Miss Battle and so I went

10:18

in do you know how they have

10:20

the little call in you can call

10:22

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10:24

I didn't even know, I didn't even

10:26

want to go down the road of

10:28

trying to call this place. So I

10:30

said, I'll just drive over there, walk

10:32

in and say, I want to order

10:35

something to take out. So when I

10:37

pulled in, I thought, well, that's weird,

10:39

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10:41

they had the pickup for calling orders

10:43

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10:45

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10:47

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12:12

that why would you move that?

12:14

I was already griping you know

12:17

so I drive over and I

12:19

was like oh here's the you

12:21

know how they have a little

12:23

signs that you pull in so

12:25

I pulled in walk in to

12:28

the look pickup area and I

12:30

say okay. You know, I'm terrible

12:32

in the, because like my wife,

12:34

the most angry she gets at

12:36

me is if we ever have

12:39

to go through a drive-through and

12:41

like talk through the machine, I

12:43

just don't do well. You know,

12:45

because I like want to have

12:47

an icebreaker and ask him how

12:50

it's going. And it's usually a

12:52

cold open when you're placing an

12:54

order. You could just order. Yeah,

12:56

it causes confusion. So I get

12:59

it, there's a problem I have.

13:01

So anyway. I'll go in and

13:03

I'll say, all right, I won't

13:05

the, because I'm not looking at

13:07

a menu or anything, I'm just

13:10

trying to go from here. I

13:12

said, I want to order these

13:14

coconut shrimp. And she said, we

13:16

don't, we don't have that. I

13:18

said, are you kidding me? I

13:21

was like, that is one of

13:23

the best things that you have

13:25

to offer. That, and the other

13:27

thing I'm going to order. And

13:30

she's like, she made a statement

13:32

that didn't make any sense. She

13:34

said, we've never had that. And

13:36

so then when she said that,

13:38

I said, well, I can tell

13:41

that you're new. But at one

13:43

time, you had this. And you

13:45

know, that was a, that was

13:47

an outback staple. Yeah, that was

13:49

a staple, you know. And so

13:52

I was like, so that is

13:54

a staple, you know. And so

13:56

I was like, so that is

13:58

very unfortunate. And I said, and

14:00

really, I'm inclined just to walk

14:03

out that door. of your ahi

14:05

tuna. They have a little, like

14:07

a little salad and she said

14:09

we don't have that. I was

14:12

like... This place is literally falling

14:14

apart. Yeah. And I said, well,

14:16

let me just, let me, now

14:18

I'm kind of angry to tell

14:20

you the truth. I was like,

14:23

let's go back to issue one.

14:25

I will bet you a thousand

14:27

dollars that at one time you

14:29

had coconut shrimp. What do you

14:31

think? And she's just looking at

14:34

me dumbfounded. And I was like,

14:36

all right, forget it. You don't

14:38

want to bet. Because I thought,

14:40

you know, how, you said you've

14:43

never had it. This is crazy.

14:45

And then she asked a pivotal

14:47

question, kind of Jesus style. She

14:49

said, where do you think you're

14:51

at? Oh no. And I looked

14:54

around. You're at Chili's. I was

14:56

at Chili's. No. Major down. Major

14:58

downbreak. But you know what I

15:00

thought in that moment? For those

15:02

of you that don't know Westman

15:05

are there next door to each

15:07

other. They're next door to each

15:09

other, but you know what I

15:11

thought in that moment? I thought

15:14

of John Six. I thought they

15:16

missed the signs. I missed the

15:18

signs. And you were kind of

15:20

cocky about it too, which is

15:22

kind of what the theory is.

15:25

Cocky is not a strong enough

15:27

word, because this woman, I could

15:29

then, then I looked at it

15:31

from her perspective, she's angry. You

15:33

know what? I don't blame her.

15:36

I'm just a humbling, homeless idiot

15:38

in her mind. She don't know

15:40

who I am, doesn't care, and

15:42

I have literally, I need professional

15:44

help because I'm trying to order.

15:47

Well now, to my knowledge, I

15:49

don't know if I've ever eaten

15:51

it, Chili's, but now I feel

15:53

the guilt. And I thought, because

15:56

I started to walk out. I

15:58

mean, like, literally started. I walked

16:00

halfway the door and I thought.

16:02

Because she I'll look back at

16:04

her and she's like after all

16:07

that you're just gonna leave. And

16:09

that'll probably say do you have

16:11

a menu and I got the

16:13

menu. and I was like, I'm

16:15

not, now I'm speeding up. They

16:18

had some huge giant burger and

16:20

I was like, I won't want

16:22

one of those. Give me the,

16:24

they had some like some chips

16:27

and some kind of salsa and

16:29

she's like, that's good. I, hey,

16:31

Chili's has the best chips and

16:33

salsa. But you know all those.

16:35

They're south west egg row if

16:38

you're gonna order something off the

16:40

app menu the southwest egg rolls

16:42

are pretty. My confession is I

16:44

haven't eaten at a chili's and

16:46

or it's been it's been a

16:49

minute. So I went ahead and

16:51

did it and and gave her

16:53

the maximum tip that was offered.

16:55

Whatever. And I mean, I got

16:57

the bill and I was like,

17:00

tears were shit. It was like

17:02

40 something dollars. And generally, I

17:04

would say, I think you need

17:06

to reject that. But I was

17:09

like, you know what? Even if

17:11

it's wrong. It was terrible. I

17:13

was like, cannot believe I just

17:15

did this. So I thought y'all

17:17

would find that funny. That's a

17:20

good word, a good segue into

17:22

John Six. Yeah, I thought it

17:24

was. We're still there. You need

17:26

the science, but you also need

17:28

an entourage. You don't need to

17:31

be doing these things on your

17:33

own. You just aren't capable. I

17:35

mean, that's just the sad but

17:37

true. I mean, I did that.

17:40

I don't know if that's a

17:42

sign that, I missed the signs.

17:44

But I got a meal, which

17:46

was the goal. And, you know,

17:48

it was an adventure. I mean,

17:51

I'd rather had the Ahi tuna.

17:53

But we made it work. Yeah,

17:55

and it was a funny story

17:57

for my family. So, where did

17:59

we leave off? All right, so

18:02

we're hoping that today, maybe the

18:04

day, we're not sure, we're not

18:06

sure where we actually tie off

18:08

John Six. It's been an amazing

18:11

run of study time in this

18:13

chapter, but Jason's pointed out in

18:15

the past, all the reasons why,

18:17

so I won't rehash it again.

18:19

But we came to one point,

18:22

we just couldn't quite leave, because

18:24

we read the entire text last

18:26

time. And, but there was one

18:28

little thing we had had a

18:30

quote from Isaiah. 54 where Jesus

18:33

talked about Israel being taught by

18:35

God and that led me to

18:37

Duda Rami 7 because my thinking

18:39

was Jesus is kind of making

18:41

the point that you know there's

18:44

nothing really that special about Israel

18:46

itself other than Israel was made

18:48

a people so that they could

18:50

bring Jesus which is his whole

18:53

point now I'm here and you're

18:55

rejecting me and I want to

18:57

read that text and then Jason

18:59

will turn over to you because

19:01

You took that and jumped in

19:04

and made some interesting observations about

19:06

the whole book of Deuteronomy. Yeah,

19:08

well before we read this, because

19:10

I realize Deuteronomy can be difficult,

19:12

just because this is, was Israel's,

19:15

you know, culture, and I actually

19:17

got this from the scholarly world,

19:19

but, because I was like, when

19:21

you had that Deuteronomy 7 here,

19:24

and the reason I was drawn

19:26

to read this and do this.

19:28

just looking big picture for a

19:30

second is because even when we

19:32

read that in Isaiah you know

19:35

what I found is those chapters

19:37

talking about what Zach just said

19:39

this was God's plan to choose

19:41

Israel even before the beginning of

19:43

time yeah to bring about Jesus

19:46

who is a Jew and I'm

19:48

using present tense because Jesus is

19:50

the I am And he's still

19:52

a man. I mean, and when

19:54

it said this same Jesus in

19:57

acts one, who you see, like

19:59

post-res erection, is leaving. Now he's

20:01

a glorified man with a new

20:03

body that has a lot of

20:06

bells and whistles, but it's also

20:08

a picture of what our new

20:10

body will be like, you know,

20:12

think first John 3, where it

20:14

says that he's going to change

20:17

as the children of God, which...

20:19

the original children of God was

20:21

the nation of Israel. That you

20:23

fast forward to first on three.

20:25

Well, we're called sons and daughters

20:28

of God, the children of God.

20:30

Thank Galatians three and Galatians. You

20:32

know, it uses the same terminology.

20:34

But what I found fascinating was

20:37

that this shadow story of Moses

20:39

Freeing the Israelites Obviously God was

20:41

doing it through Moses That that

20:43

became a shadow to really what

20:45

Jesus was going to do for

20:48

the whole world Exactly and the

20:50

reason I thought this was important.

20:52

Al did you realize that in

20:54

the book of John? Moses is

20:56

referenced 13 times. I did not

20:59

realize that it was that big

21:01

a number. Well just start thinking

21:03

back, remember John 1 where it

21:05

was like the law and what

21:08

does it say John 1 came

21:10

through Moses? It's just right there

21:12

in verse 13 or 14, or

21:14

413. Grace and truth. And then

21:16

one of his followers, Philip, I

21:19

think, were in the conversation with

21:21

Nathaniel in 145, it's like, we

21:23

have found the one to fulfill,

21:25

you know, what Moses wrote, that's

21:27

in John 145. And then three.

21:30

Which is a quote from Deuteronomy,

21:32

that's where I was going there.

21:34

In 314, you remember the, as

21:36

Moses lifted up, the bronze snake,

21:38

you remember that? Well then in

21:41

545 you remember the conversation, it's

21:43

like what when Jesus said, Moses

21:45

wrote about me, you know, you

21:47

believe that the scriptures give you

21:50

eternal life, but you don't realize

21:52

the scriptures were about me, but

21:54

he referenced what Moses wrote about,

21:56

you know, that's 545, 546. Well

21:58

then in 632 where we're at

22:01

now in John 6. the same

22:03

the manna that came from heaven

22:05

now I'm the bread alive but

22:07

he mentions Moses specifically and look

22:09

in the next chapter it's in

22:12

719 722 723 he mentioned Amen,

22:14

8, 5, and also in 9,

22:16

28, and 29. So, and also

22:18

it made me realize that even

22:21

in the book of acts in

22:23

chapter three, you know, once the

22:25

spirit's poured out, they start preaching

22:27

Jesus. Well, in Stephen's sermon in

22:29

act seven, there's a whole Moses

22:32

section, and they're using that as

22:34

an illustration of Jesus fulfilling this,

22:36

this new creation, new freedom, just

22:38

like. The Israelites were freed from

22:40

Egypt. It's like the new exodus.

22:43

I mean, it's the new creation

22:45

and the new exodus. So Jay,

22:47

she told us about your itching

22:49

powder. Was it itching powder that

22:51

you ordered? Did it never came?

22:54

No. It was shrinking powder that

22:56

you could put on humans and

22:58

pets. So that you would be...

23:00

much substantially larger than them. And

23:03

I felt like that. And I

23:05

was saying, I was saying, Zach,

23:07

that I'm very thankful he never

23:09

got it because I would have

23:11

been one of the first persons

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23:16

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34 verse 6 and 7. The

24:40

Lord passed before him. and proclaim

24:42

the Lord the Lord a God

24:44

merciful and gracious slow to anger

24:47

and abounding and steadfast love and

24:49

faithless keeping steadfast love for thousands

24:51

for giving iniquity and transgression of

24:53

sin but who will by no

24:55

means clear the guilty visiting the

24:58

fathers on the children and the

25:00

children's children to the third generation

25:02

and to the fourth generation. So

25:04

this idea of the exodus story

25:06

and Moses's story, I mean, it

25:09

literally is the most cross-referenced scripture

25:11

in all the Bible, which I

25:13

find so interesting. And then we,

25:15

and here in John 6, you

25:18

see the Moses, and I'm actually

25:20

preaching Sunday, we're actually starting an

25:22

exodus series, and I'm giving the

25:24

overview. And so it's funny, you

25:26

mention Act 7, because as I

25:29

was doing my research, I'm like...

25:31

I'm doing the first seven verses

25:33

of Exodus, which if you read

25:35

it, it's essentially the story of

25:37

Joseph. Hey, Joseph came to town,

25:40

you know, I can move to

25:42

Egypt with 70 of his family

25:44

members, and verse eight, then, oh,

25:46

the pharaoh, the new pharaoh forgot

25:48

about him, you know, years later.

25:51

And that's kind of the intro

25:53

that, well, I'm like, how am

25:55

I going to preach an overview

25:57

of this? And I wound up

26:00

in acts chapter seven. Because the

26:02

bulk of Stephen's sermon is about

26:04

Moses and what Moses said. And

26:06

there's the little stuff in there

26:08

about Abraham and Joseph. But that's

26:11

all leading up to the story

26:13

of Moses. That really was his

26:15

sermon. And what got him killed

26:17

was that he ended up talking

26:19

about the temple and saying God

26:22

doesn't live in the temple built

26:24

by your hands. I find that

26:26

interesting. That's a real interesting point.

26:28

And look, when I went down

26:31

this rabbit hole of like how

26:33

much Moses is a reference, I

26:35

mean, look, think Hebrews. So he's

26:37

in the Hall of Fame chapter

26:39

in 11. But also there's this

26:42

chapter three in Hebrews that the

26:44

whole section is about why Jesus

26:46

is better than Moses. And even

26:48

if I were to read that,

26:50

it hits on the exact thing

26:53

that you're talking about here. And

26:55

my point for doing this is

26:57

that. You know, we did a

26:59

few podcasts ago when we were

27:02

starting John 6. I don't know,

27:04

that might be a month ago.

27:06

We've been in John 6 so

27:08

long. But we talked about how

27:10

many, there's so many arguments and

27:13

disagreements that come from John 6.

27:15

And my whole point for doing

27:17

this and even going to Deuteronomy

27:19

is to realize kind of the

27:21

context of where Jesus is coming

27:24

from. And it is wrapped around.

27:26

the Jewish history as being God's

27:28

chosen people. And it's amazing when

27:30

you read the whole book of

27:32

Deuteronomy, you see a lot of

27:35

things in there about wrath and

27:37

judgment because here's God married to

27:39

this nation and he was faithful

27:41

even in their rebellion to one

27:44

day produce hope through becoming a

27:46

man, Jesus. in that heritage. And

27:48

I think it helps explain a

27:50

lot of the subtle things and

27:52

a lot of these arguments that

27:55

people disagree on. I think it's

27:57

like they've detached the history. Yeah,

27:59

of what this is all about

28:01

and just looked at it like,

28:03

oh, this is to me as

28:06

an individual here in America, 2000

28:08

years later, and they're not

28:10

getting the context of it.

28:12

So that's why I was

28:14

pursuing that. But just to read the

28:17

Hebrews three, when he says,

28:19

therefore, in verse one, who

28:21

sharing the heavenly calling, picture

28:23

thoughts on Jesus, and it says,

28:26

he was faithful, verse two, speaking

28:28

to Jesus. He was faithful

28:30

to the one who appointed him

28:32

just as Moses was faithful in

28:34

all God's house. Jesus has been

28:36

found worthy of greater honor than

28:39

Moses, just as the builder of

28:41

a house has greater honor than

28:43

the house itself, for every house

28:45

is built by someone, but God

28:48

is the builder of everything. Moses

28:50

was faithful as a servant in

28:52

all God's house. What house is

28:55

he? He's talking about Israel's house.

28:57

Testifying to what would

28:59

be said in the future, but

29:01

Christ is faithful as a

29:04

son over God's house, and I

29:06

love this next sentence, and we

29:08

are his house if we hold

29:10

on to our courage and the hope

29:12

of which we boast. So having

29:15

said all that, just to give

29:17

you an overall view of

29:19

Deuteronomy, and I think most

29:21

scholars agree with this, the

29:24

first 11 chapters. are the

29:26

story retold about

29:28

their exodus, their freedom,

29:31

their liberation by

29:33

God's design. From the

29:36

hardening of Pharaoh's heart,

29:38

which we said earlier,

29:40

is just basically

29:42

allowing him to not...

29:44

Want the presence of God? I

29:47

mean that's it's this idea of

29:49

giving them over think Romans one

29:51

the Hebrew the Hebrew word for

29:53

hardened is a word called Chazak

29:55

Which means to strengthen in resolve

29:57

so when you look at the

29:59

exodus story. He had heart in

30:01

his own heart several times before

30:03

the scripture says that God intervenes

30:06

and heart in his heart. So

30:08

when God intervenes to heart and

30:10

favor his heart, the picture that

30:12

the excess paints is that God

30:14

is strengthening Pharaoh in his resolve.

30:16

And he actually says why. I

30:18

can't remember exactly where, but he

30:20

basically says so that I might

30:22

increase my wonders. So I thought

30:25

I might increase my power. It's

30:27

kind of this picture that God's

30:29

almost saying, look. Any person in

30:31

their right mind with what I'm

30:33

about to do, any person in

30:35

their right mind would fold like

30:37

a cheap suit at the power

30:39

that I'm about to display. But

30:41

what I'm going to do with

30:43

you, because your heart's already wicked

30:46

and hard, I'm going to actually

30:48

use your wicked evil heart to

30:50

multiply my wonders, and I'm going

30:52

to make it where you won't

30:54

fold. because you're already wicked and

30:56

then I'm gonna which is kind

30:58

of in the language of John

31:00

6 by the way too because

31:02

he knew he knew in advance

31:05

who would betray him and who

31:07

would come to him. So guy

31:09

kind of knows this in his

31:11

foreknowledge and he's orchestrating his plan

31:13

of redemption around his foreknowledge. Well

31:15

let's face it that that phrase

31:17

hardening of the heart I mean

31:19

it obviously one of the meanings

31:21

has to be that it's just

31:23

a non-understanding as well because you

31:26

remember the disciples It mentioned their

31:28

hearts were hard, meaning they didn't

31:30

understand what Jesus was doing. One

31:32

of the times they were on

31:34

the lake with it. And so

31:36

you know right there it's not

31:38

because somehow that they hated Jesus

31:40

or they hated God or they

31:42

hated, I mean they were a

31:44

fault, they gave their old lives

31:47

to it, but they didn't understand.

31:49

And so the application I think

31:51

is the same. Part of that

31:53

is just not getting what's happening.

31:55

Well, and part of that, yeah,

31:57

is you don't want, like, I

31:59

mean, in that story of freedom,

32:01

which they, even to this day,

32:03

celebrate the parting of the Red

32:06

Sea and the liberation, but part

32:08

of that is, you know, you

32:10

had all the laws and commands

32:12

that, because you're in a relationship

32:14

and in any. relationship there's expectations

32:16

here there's a covenant which is

32:18

why this all started from Isaiah

32:20

54 and 55 but Isaiah 54

32:22

is kind of a picture of

32:24

the new covenant that Jesus would

32:27

introduce and look oh by the

32:29

way Isaiah 55 and this is

32:31

all after the suffering servant in

32:33

Isaiah 53 here's Jesus gonna be

32:35

you know put on a cross

32:37

and and mar beyond human likeness

32:39

on a cross for us Why

32:41

is there a 55 gives a

32:43

picture of new creation? At the

32:46

end of it, it starts talking

32:48

about the trees singing and the...

32:50

It's like a picture of the

32:52

new covenant. Well, Deuteronomy is similar

32:54

in that when you read the

32:56

Ten Commandments, which I read, I

32:58

read the book, Deuteronomy, and I

33:00

was kind of fascinated by it,

33:02

because it's like, you know, basically,

33:04

it's their story, but God lays

33:07

out, and nothing he laid out,

33:09

think of the Ten Commandments. None

33:11

of this is, from a cultural

33:13

standpoint, like something crazy. He's like,

33:15

you know, if I'm gonna be

33:17

your God, you'll have no other

33:19

gods before me. That makes sense,

33:21

because in reality, what can these

33:23

other gods do anyway? I mean,

33:25

there's one God, and he focuses

33:28

on that, you know. And, you

33:30

know, you shall not make idols

33:32

for yourself. He kind of gives

33:34

some a little bit of commentary

33:36

on what that first commandment. is

33:38

all about, but then it's like

33:40

you shall not misuse the name

33:42

of the Lord your God, you

33:44

know, because I mean that'd be

33:47

like, you know, I'm married to

33:49

my wife and then I'm, I'm

33:51

misusing her night. Well, I would

33:53

never do that out of respect

33:55

for her, you know, or call

33:57

her derogatory things or whatever. And

33:59

then the Sabbath, he, I skipped

34:01

one somewhere. Because the Sabbath is

34:03

fourth this fourth, you know, which

34:05

one did I mean? Oh, it's

34:08

you sure I've known the guys

34:10

before me then you should don't

34:12

have your ears Well, he kind

34:14

of gives paragraph versions in due

34:16

to right. So the idols, what

34:18

is the second commandment? I don't

34:20

know. I need to get that

34:22

right. Hang on, man. That's the

34:24

10 commandments. I don't even know.

34:27

I mean, Jesus nailed them to

34:29

the cross, but. You shall have

34:31

no other guys before me. It

34:33

was the second one. You should

34:35

not make yourself an idol. And

34:37

you shall not misuse the name.

34:39

Oh, I think I had it

34:41

right. Yeah. Yeah, so you should

34:43

have known the God performing one,

34:45

two, you shouldn't bow down to

34:48

idols, three, shouldn't misuse the name

34:50

of the Lord God, observe the

34:52

Sabbath, which was in Deuteronomy's commentary

34:54

on it. It was basically so

34:56

that you could reflect on your

34:58

newfound freedom. Exactly. Yeah. And so

35:00

then five is honor your father

35:02

and mother, which goes into the

35:04

point. Zach made that it may

35:06

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Then you shall out murder. Well,

36:58

okay. Yeah, I think that would

37:00

help. society and yeah, you should

37:02

not commit adultery. Just think that

37:04

this is a marriage contract basically

37:06

you shall not steal, you should

37:09

not give false testimony about your

37:11

neighbor, you should not covet your

37:13

neighbor's wife. I mean there they

37:15

are. I think this is a

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this is called imaging God who

37:19

you're married to as a nation

37:21

and that's going to influence the

37:23

world around you and the other

37:25

nations who are bowing down to

37:27

other gods who are murdering each

37:30

other who are having adultery. And

37:32

so to get back to my

37:34

outline, so Genesis 111, it's the

37:36

whole story. You know, including the

37:38

Ten Commandments, but 11 through 26

37:40

is basically like trusting what he

37:42

says, these laws. And so that's

37:44

going to be the foreshadowing of

37:46

Jesus coming as the word of

37:49

God. And even I wrote this

37:51

down in John 65051 just to

37:53

see kind of make my point.

37:55

John 650 and 51, you could

37:57

make a... case before we read

37:59

this in Deuteronomy, for this being

38:01

a statement made by Jesus, that's

38:03

the exact opposite of what happened

38:05

going all the way back to

38:07

the garden. This kind of hit

38:10

me, I didn't read this in

38:12

a book, I was just reading

38:14

it again. But he said, but

38:16

here is the bread that comes

38:18

down from heaven, which a man

38:20

may eat and not die. I

38:22

am the living bread. that came

38:24

down from heaven, if anyone eats

38:26

of this bread, he will live

38:28

forever. Well, you remember what God

38:31

said in the garden? He's like,

38:33

if you eat of that tree

38:35

of the knowledge of good and

38:37

evil, you will die. And now

38:39

here's Jesus making this statement. I

38:41

am the living bread that can't,

38:43

something you eat that came down

38:45

from heaven. If anyone eats of

38:47

this bread, he will live forever.

38:50

It's like the opposite statement. He's

38:52

like the fulfillment of where it

38:54

all went wrong. And so then

38:56

the last section in Deuteronomy is

38:58

the blessings and curses that come

39:00

from trusting what he says as

39:02

God's partner. And what's fascinating about

39:04

it is it's literally what happened

39:06

at the end of Genesis when

39:08

you read the last couple of

39:11

chapters in Genesis. It's all about

39:13

the blessings and curses of whether

39:15

you decide to image God or

39:17

whether you decide to deconstruct yourself

39:19

and be your own God or

39:21

follow other gods. And then, you

39:23

know, who is that that died

39:25

at the end of Genesis? Jacob?

39:27

Joseph. Joseph, yeah. So then Joseph

39:30

dies at the end of Genesis

39:32

and then here, Deuteronomy kind of

39:34

mirrors Genesis 1 through 11, really.

39:36

At the end, Moses dies, but

39:38

it's still the blessings and curses.

39:40

It's like a mirror image at

39:42

the end of Genesis, which is

39:44

really fascinating. And I used to

39:46

think, oh, if I do right,

39:48

God will bless me, or I

39:51

may just be cursed from the

39:53

start, you know, which is what

39:55

a lot of people teach. But

39:57

you get a different picture when

39:59

you read the book of Genesis

40:01

and you read the book of

40:03

Deuteronomy and then you read something

40:05

like John Six. It's like, if

40:07

you choose not to do this,

40:09

well, this is what happens. If

40:12

you choose to do this and

40:14

I'm going to prove it in

40:16

the book of Deuteronomy. So that's

40:18

my setup. Because we're going to

40:20

read Deuteronomy 7 first, and then

40:22

I'm going to read a couple

40:24

of sections in chapter 30 and

40:26

32 about the blessings and curses.

40:28

And I think it will answer

40:31

a lot of arguments that people

40:33

have when it comes to John

40:35

6. I realize we're kind of

40:37

getting in deep water here because

40:39

we're in Deuteronomy, but I think

40:41

when you see how this plays

40:43

out through their history and how

40:45

Jesus fulfills it, it's like a

40:47

light bulb moment. You're like, that

40:49

was the plan all along. That

40:52

was the plan all along. And

40:54

just to add to what you

40:56

said, Jay, when you, you know,

40:58

Moses wrote the Torah, which is,

41:00

you know, Genesis, Exos, Leviticus numbers

41:02

due to Rami, and Genesis 1

41:04

through 11, as you described, was

41:06

that ancient man idea that led

41:08

up to the Tower of Bible,

41:11

we get to Genesis 12, you

41:13

pick up the promise to Abraham,

41:15

which is when you first start

41:17

reading about the people of God

41:19

and the promises of God, and

41:21

then that runs all the way

41:23

through Genesis. and X Slaviticus and

41:25

numbers are then the results of

41:27

that. So Deurami is almost a

41:29

retelling of all of this history

41:32

of all of everything God is

41:34

designed, which is why of course

41:36

that we go there. And so

41:38

here's the reading, Deurami 7-7. The

41:40

Lord did not set his affection

41:42

on you and choose you because

41:44

you were more numerous than other

41:46

peoples. for you were the fewest

41:48

of all peoples. He's talking about

41:50

the Jewish people. Remember they were

41:53

slaves. They were enslaved in Egypt.

41:55

But it was because the Lord

41:57

love you and kept the oathies

41:59

war to your forefathers. That goes

42:01

back to the Abraham that he

42:03

brought. you out with a mighty

42:05

hand and redeemed you from the

42:07

land of slavery from the power

42:09

of Pharaoh king of Egypt. Know

42:12

therefore that the Lord your God

42:14

is God. He is faithful. He

42:16

is the faithful God keeping his

42:18

covenant of love to a thousand

42:20

generations of those who love him

42:22

and keep his commands. But those

42:24

who hate him He will repay

42:26

to their face by destruction. He

42:28

will not be slow to repay

42:30

their face those who hate him.

42:33

Therefore take care to follow the

42:35

commands decrees and laws that I

42:37

give you today. Which sets, it

42:39

makes sense that God made a

42:41

promise and God's going to fulfill

42:43

this promise and this promise was

42:45

from the beginning. And it's that

42:47

basic layout. It's he's gonna, you

42:49

know, man. decides not

42:52

to trust what God says. And

42:54

you also are introduced to these

42:56

celestial beings who have also made

42:58

their decision not to be imagers

43:00

of God, because they, you know,

43:03

God has a family in heaven

43:05

of these celestial beings. And then

43:07

here's humans. We're the family on

43:09

earth. You see this, and they're

43:11

supposed to interact. You know, the

43:13

another way of saying it is

43:16

is that what they were ultimately

43:18

doing was they weren't enacting God's

43:20

will on earth as it was

43:22

in heaven. They were trying to

43:24

separate the will of God on

43:26

earth, which is if you read

43:29

Genesis 6, you know, and then

43:31

also probably in 11 too, there's

43:33

the picture of potentially... Elleams or

43:35

heavenly celestial beings coming down to

43:37

earth and having sex with women,

43:39

like human women and creating other

43:41

Neflem or these Neflem or whatever.

43:44

So there's the idea of disrupting

43:46

that harmony between heaven and earth,

43:48

that's why the redemption of that.

43:50

is what we're talking about in

43:52

this podcast of actually heaven and

43:54

earth coming back together. So we

43:57

would say like in the city

43:59

like where we live in Black

44:01

Mountain We would say God's will

44:03

be done in Black Mountain just

44:05

like it is in heaven and

44:07

we want to live that out.

44:10

That's the not yet now kingdom.

44:12

Yeah, so I want to skip

44:14

to the blessings and curses section.

44:16

So this is kind of after

44:18

the story's been told and the

44:20

marriage covenant God's chosen people and

44:23

what they're supposed to image represent

44:25

him. And remember that common phrase

44:27

that you'll see in the first

44:29

11 chapters is that God would

44:31

be dwelling with his people. And

44:33

then I'm skipping over the section

44:36

about trusting what he says and

44:38

the laws, the reasons for the

44:40

commands, because if you're imaging God,

44:42

you're doing what his nature is,

44:44

and which is why you have

44:46

the commands of God and the

44:48

laws, right? Yeah. So, and that's

44:51

why I read those, because it's

44:53

not like there. You know, things

44:55

that we can all agree would

44:57

make way less chaos and way

44:59

less self-destruction on our earth if

45:01

everybody would have one man, one

45:04

woman for life and there was

45:06

no adultery or no murder or

45:08

no bowing down to God's that

45:10

or not God. I mean, all

45:12

this thing, all these things make

45:14

sense. So when you go to

45:17

chapter 30 and I just, I

45:19

mean, we're going to give you

45:21

a thumbnail here, but I want

45:23

to read some of this. So

45:25

in verse one it says, when

45:27

all these blessings and curses I

45:30

have set before you, that's why

45:32

I brought that up and that's

45:34

why I wanted to come here.

45:36

And it's not hard to figure

45:38

out. You either are faithful to

45:40

God as he is faithful, or

45:43

you're not. There's blessings as a

45:45

result of one decision and there's

45:47

curses as the result of the

45:49

other. So he brings that up

45:51

here. He says, When all these

45:53

blessings and curses I've said before

45:55

you come upon you and you

45:58

take them to heart what it's

46:00

crazy that he starts talking about

46:02

the heart. Think about how much

46:04

Jesus talked about the heart. And

46:06

he says, wherever the Lord your

46:08

God disperses you, among the nations.

46:11

So there's going to be a

46:13

dispersion, which think Matthew 28, when

46:15

Jesus comes and bringing the nations

46:17

back together when he's like all

46:19

authority on heaven and earth, has

46:21

been given to me, therefore go

46:24

make disciples of all nations. And

46:26

when you, verse two of dead

46:28

army 30, and your children return

46:30

to the Lord your God and

46:32

obey him with all your, there's

46:34

that word again, heart, and with

46:37

all your soul, according to everything

46:39

I command you today, then the

46:41

Lord your God will restore your

46:43

fortunes and have compassion on you

46:45

and gather you, you fast forward

46:47

to John and Jesus is like,

46:50

I'm that guy. You know, you

46:52

remember Moses wrote, you know, Deuteronomy,

46:54

that was about me. This is

46:56

me. Restoration, freedom happening one day.

46:58

Even if you have been banished

47:00

to the most distant land under

47:03

the heavens, from there the Lord

47:05

your God will gather you and

47:07

bring you back. He will bring

47:09

you to that land that belonged

47:11

to your fathers and you will

47:13

take possession of it. He will

47:15

make you more prosperous and numerous

47:18

than your fathers. The Lord God,

47:20

watch, will circumsize your hearts. and

47:22

the hearts of your descendants so

47:24

that you may love him with

47:26

all your heart and with all

47:28

your soul and live. Does this

47:31

sound familiar? Circumcision becoming a spiritual

47:33

thing. Loving God, and when Jesus

47:35

said, the whole law can be

47:37

summed up. Love the Lord, your

47:39

God, with all your heart, soul,

47:41

mind, and strength. The Lord God,

47:44

verse seven, will put all these

47:46

curses on your enemies who hate

47:48

and persecute you, because you know

47:50

what that means, because they're... They

47:52

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47:54

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49:54

skip down and read verse 11 because

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49:58

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50:01

this up before in the what

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movie was that good bad? No.

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In the movie Outlaw Josie Wells

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at the end when Clint Eastwood

50:09

meets up with 10 bears and

50:11

he gives him the words of

50:13

life and the words of death

50:15

and he's like it shall be

50:18

like you know where they got

50:20

that from? Deuteronomy 30. So he

50:22

says now what I am commanding

50:24

you today is not too difficult

50:26

for you or beyond your reach.

50:28

It is not I love this

50:30

phrase. It is not up in

50:32

heaven so that you have to

50:35

ask who will ascend into heaven

50:37

to get it and proclaim it

50:39

to us so we may obey

50:41

it. You know I'm reading this?

50:43

Because ten times Jesus said this

50:45

came from heaven. I came down

50:47

from heaven. Because you can't ascend

50:49

to heaven and get this. So

50:52

I don't know where we got

50:54

off on this deal, but somehow

50:56

we got to get off this

50:58

place and get to heaven so

51:00

we can get something that God's

51:02

offering. It just seems to be

51:04

in total contrary to what this

51:06

is saying. Which is why you,

51:08

when I mentioned earlier, the most

51:11

cross-reference scripture in the Bibles, like

51:13

just 34, 6, and 7, but

51:15

you read that whole context. I

51:17

mean, this is where... Moses is

51:19

meeting with God where God says

51:21

cut for yourself two stone tablets

51:23

like the first and I will

51:25

write on the tablets the words

51:28

that were on the first tablets

51:30

that you broke and so he's

51:32

giving in this vision on Mount

51:34

Sinai but you read that that

51:36

whole passage of what he's saying

51:38

there. It is about a generational

51:40

blessing that God is the generational

51:42

covenantal blessing that God is unfolding

51:45

and revealing to Moses. Exactly. So

51:47

we're running out of time and

51:49

I'm going to get to that.

51:51

I'm going to get to that.

51:53

But I want to read, I

51:55

want to finish reading that because

51:57

with your point, I'm fixed to

51:59

make because the last chapter in

52:02

Deuteronomy and 34 is about Moses's

52:04

death. You remember that? like, he's

52:06

like, I'm not going to let

52:08

you cross over and God buried

52:10

him. And then there's this little

52:12

paragraph that's like Moses was honored

52:14

as a prophet and he was

52:16

known as to have seen God,

52:19

seeing God face to face, which

52:21

is why Moses was so upheld

52:23

by the Jewish nation, which is

52:25

why they're now having these conflicts

52:27

with Jesus himself because they have

52:29

their They're trusting Moses. In fact,

52:31

when we get to chapter eight

52:33

and nine, they're going to say,

52:36

we're disciples of Moses. And he's

52:38

saying, hey, this is, you think

52:40

Moses was something? I'm God's son.

52:42

And you see the glimpse of

52:44

this in the next verse in

52:46

Deuteronomy 30, where he says, verse

52:48

13, nor is it beyond the

52:50

sea that you have to ask,

52:53

who will cross the sea and

52:55

get it and proclaim it to

52:57

us so we may obey it?

52:59

No. The word is very near

53:01

you. It is in your mouth

53:03

and in your heart. So you

53:05

may obey it. I mean, think

53:07

Romans 10 and 9, that we

53:09

always quote, you know, that is,

53:12

it's with your mouth that you

53:14

confess Jesus, Lord, and believe in

53:16

your heart that God raised him

53:18

down, raised him from the dead.

53:20

But this all goes back to

53:22

God's plan through Jewish history, through

53:24

Moses, and through people like Moses,

53:26

Abraham, as you mentioned now, to

53:29

bring Jesus. So let me keep

53:31

reading verse 15. See I set

53:33

before you today life and prosperity,

53:35

death and destruction. There's your two

53:37

choices. When you talk about blessings

53:39

or curses or when does that

53:41

happen? Look how he framed that.

53:43

I set this before you today.

53:46

I command you today to love

53:48

the Lord your God to walk

53:50

in his ways to keep his

53:52

commands to crazy laws. Then you

53:54

will live and increase and the

53:56

Lord your God will bless you.

53:58

in the land you are entering.

54:00

But if your heart turns away

54:03

and you're not obedient, and if

54:05

you're drawing away to bow down

54:07

to other gods and worship them...

54:09

I declare to you that this

54:11

day that you will certainly be

54:13

destroyed. You will not live long

54:15

in the land you are crossing

54:17

the Jordan to enter and possess.

54:20

This day I call heaven and

54:22

earth, interesting phrase, as witnesses against

54:24

you that I have set before

54:26

you, life and death, blessings and

54:28

curses. Now choose life. so that

54:30

you and your children may live

54:32

and that you may love the

54:34

Lord your God, listen to his

54:37

voice, and hold fast to him,

54:39

for the Lord is your life,

54:41

and he will give you many

54:43

years in the land he swore

54:45

to give your fathers Abraham, Isaac,

54:47

and Jacob. So then you go

54:49

to chapter 32 and Moses' song.

54:51

I just want to read a

54:53

couple excerpts out of this. In

54:56

verse... Three, it says, I will

54:58

proclaim the name of the Lord,

55:00

O praise the greatness of our

55:02

God. He is the rock. His

55:04

works are perfect. And all his

55:06

ways are just a faithful God

55:08

who does know wrong, upright, and

55:10

just as he. Just put an

55:13

exclamation point there. God is not

55:15

the problem. He's not created all

55:17

this disorder. He's kind of gone

55:19

through this. I'll rescue you. I'll

55:21

have mercy. I've chosen you. Here's

55:23

the the way to reflect me

55:25

you get into the laws and

55:27

commands and then here are the

55:30

blessings as a result of Trust

55:32

me and here are the curses

55:34

if you don't So then it

55:36

says verse five they have acted

55:38

correctly towards him to their shame.

55:40

They are no longer his children.

55:42

Well who moved? They moved they

55:44

were not faithful, but a warped

55:47

and crooked generation Is this the

55:49

way you repay the Lord, oh

55:51

foolish and unwise people? I love

55:53

this next verse. Is he not

55:55

your father, your creator, who made

55:57

you, informed you? And so if

55:59

I skip down to verse nine,

56:01

it says for the Lord... portion

56:04

is this people and that he

56:06

uses Jacob is kind of like

56:08

the father of Israel in this

56:10

but then he skips down in

56:12

verse 15 and he uses this

56:14

name Jesuit run as like the

56:16

picture of those who didn't of

56:18

Israel who didn't you don't trust

56:21

him and so that little section

56:23

there is where we get a

56:25

lot of information and I just

56:27

wanted to read a couple other

56:29

excerpts in verse in verse 12.

56:31

The Lord alone led him, no

56:33

foreign guy was with, that's the

56:35

ones that trusted that Jacob was

56:38

representing. He made him ride on

56:40

the heights of the land and

56:42

fed him with the fruit of

56:44

the fields, he nourished, and here's

56:46

the blessings. Look, he nourished him

56:48

with honey from the rock, that's

56:50

where that song came from. And

56:52

then when you get down to

56:54

those who didn't, in verse 15,

56:57

it says, I don't

56:59

know why that says grew fat

57:01

and cute. They grew fat, they

57:04

were filled with food, became heavy

57:06

and sleek. They abandoned God, who

57:08

made him and rejected the rock

57:11

as his Savior. They made him

57:13

jealous with their foreign gods and

57:15

angered him with their detestable idols.

57:18

They sacrificed the demons, which are

57:20

not known. Gods that recently appeared,

57:22

gods, your fathers, did not fear.

57:25

And the reason I read that.

57:27

is because of, in 38, it

57:29

gives reference to what Zach had

57:32

referenced about the sons of God,

57:34

when it says, when the most

57:36

I gave, the nations their inheritance,

57:39

when he divided up, to all

57:41

mankind, he set boundaries for the

57:43

people according to the number of

57:46

the sons of God. And some

57:48

translation says Israel, but, you know,

57:50

they found the most ancient manuscripts

57:53

that said sons, sons of God,

57:55

because he's going back to the...

57:58

to the tower a babble. Well,

58:00

Israel wasn't even a nation then.

58:02

So that's when you get in

58:04

these celestial beings that had fallen

58:06

from heaven or whatever, and I

58:08

think they have a point. So

58:10

anyway, the last thing I'll read

58:13

is 3210, I mean, 3218, where

58:15

it says, you deserted the rock

58:17

who fathered you, you forgot the

58:19

God who gave you birth. And

58:21

so I just wanted to say,

58:23

then it gets into the end

58:25

about Moses's death like Genesis. It

58:27

just seems like that pattern is

58:29

what God fulfilled in Jesus to

58:31

get all people and all nations

58:33

under one umbrella, which is Jesus

58:35

Christ, and think of Ephesians, chapter

58:37

one. And I think it, when

58:39

you look at it from the

58:41

grid that it came from, you're

58:44

going to spend a lot of

58:46

less time arguing about little details

58:48

in there about talking about how

58:50

God would draw people and, you

58:52

know, Judas betraying. And I just

58:54

think that's the grid God uses.

58:56

He loves you. He has mercy

58:58

on you. He's faithful the whole

59:00

time. And you have a choice

59:02

to either trust him or not.

59:04

And there's blessings that's going to

59:06

come from whatever choice you make.

59:08

No, I think that's good, yes.

59:10

And it also shows you the

59:13

imagery that John used when he

59:15

was painting, all these word pictures

59:17

that Jesus laid out, which is

59:19

very powerful. So next time, we'll

59:21

tie that off. try to move

59:23

on to John 7 which continues

59:25

our journey in the book of

59:27

John so we can see you

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