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I am unashamed. What

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about you?

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Welcome back to Unashamed. I guess

0:09

we're going to open with a production meeting. That

0:12

Zach missed last podcast. We actually

0:14

had this on the last podcast, but Zach had stepped

0:16

away. I was on the last podcast. You weren't. You

0:19

weren't until we looked up and you weren't. But

0:22

this podcast is complete

0:25

with special effects. And one of the greatest

0:27

special effects that we have is

0:29

Zach will disappear

0:31

in the blink of an eye. You

0:34

just, every time you see a bookshelf,

0:36

there's just, there's no Zach. I think

0:39

every time Zach, I was going to, I had a movie idea and

0:41

we were going to have a production meeting. I

0:44

was so excited. It

0:46

was right at the end of the last podcast

0:48

with Bowles. So Larry Bowles preached

0:50

Sunday at WFR. We talked to him. He preached

0:53

like four hours and seven minutes.

0:56

And now that he's gone. And

0:59

it was a mini series of

1:02

a sermon. That was fantastic. It was

1:05

worth your time. No, I was like 45 minutes,

1:07

but it seemed longer.

1:08

And it was just so riddled

1:11

with Bible verse. It was more like a class.

1:14

But in Larry's defense, you

1:16

know, when I was with him in Athens, Greece,

1:18

and he would speak the class that

1:21

all these refugees would come to

1:23

from every country that you've never

1:25

heard of. The average

1:27

class was four hours. Oh, yeah. And these

1:29

people,

1:31

nobody ever got, there was no

1:33

yawn. Only in America do

1:35

you sit down and expect to be 30 minutes.

1:38

Everywhere else in the world, they're like, oh no, we

1:40

came a long way to be here. I

1:43

told you all a few weeks ago, I preached a 53

1:45

minute sermon. I'm like, I'm in that camp.

1:49

I was an hour and five minutes on my

1:51

Wednesday night thing, which I felt bad

1:53

about it. But Missy's like, don't feel

1:56

bad. I'm sure it was fine. So

1:58

we had a meet because I had.

1:59

after I heard that sermon, you know,

2:02

I went to sleep that night and I had

2:04

a dream and it was a movie idea.

2:06

It was good zombies.

2:09

I don't know what we'll have to work with the title, but

2:12

every zombie apocalypse, maybe they're always

2:14

evil and bloody. And it was that last podcast

2:17

that ended, but it was with this idea. Yeah.

2:19

This idea. I went through it and, and Larry

2:21

actually had a theme song. What was

2:23

this group? I'd never, I'd

2:25

never heard of that. It's a, and he said

2:28

they had a song about this, what

2:30

Jason is describing in this dream. So that's

2:32

our, that's our movie theme song potentially

2:35

audio. I

2:37

suggested we get Taylor Swift to cover the

2:40

song for us. I'm sure she would. So we can attach

2:42

her to the project. I've already told you since he's

2:44

taken over the movie theaters, you know, and,

2:47

and she knows Jay's, you know, we, we

2:49

are acquaintances. And

2:53

so, uh, what the, the

2:56

theme came from the transfiguration

2:58

because it was actually, I didn't say this on

3:00

the last podcast, but Jesus

3:03

was talking to two zombies, Moses

3:07

had been dead 1500 years. Is

3:09

that not a zombie? He

3:11

was having a conversation with him. And

3:13

so you could do this, you know, you can have special

3:16

effects because Elijah was there, he was the king of

3:18

the fireballs. You know, when he called

3:20

down the fireballs on two different occasions. And

3:23

so you could have that in the movie, but only throw

3:25

fireballs. He's still in Jason's

3:28

vision for the movie. The zombies

3:30

still have the kind of.

3:32

Herky jerky movement. Yeah.

3:35

You still got the kind of classic zombie because

3:37

you're dead. They're good zombies. But you're good

3:39

because when you meet them, instead of them wanting to eat

3:41

your brains or whatever, they're

3:43

wanting to share the fruits of the spirit

3:46

with you.

3:46

Yeah. That's the twist. Oh, it's,

3:49

it's the classic warm and fluffy.

3:53

When you need fireballs, we

3:56

have those, but it has to be something that

3:58

our balls. Zombies don't throw

4:01

fireballs. So what does

4:03

that mean? Well, it's, these

4:06

days, in,

4:09

now we're back into the Bible. Cause

4:11

now you challenged my idea. World's

4:14

obvious could do anything. So Luke nine,

4:17

you have the transfiguration, Moses

4:19

and Elijah is there. Two

4:21

paragraphs later, they, the

4:24

disciples, James and John, they were, they

4:26

went to the Samaritan village and

4:28

those people said, get out of here. And

4:30

so when the disciples, James and John 54

4:32

of chapter, chapter nine, they

4:37

said, they asked the Lord, do you

4:39

want us to call fire down

4:42

from heaven to destroy them, but

4:44

Jesus turned and rebuked them and they went

4:47

to another village. Where

4:49

did they get that idea? Cause they just saw

4:51

Elijah as a zombie and

4:53

they thought, Oh, fireballs are back on the

4:55

table. I just saw Elijah. Now

4:59

he did rebuke them. But if you had something

5:01

in the movie that was fireball warranted,

5:04

I think you're the

5:06

movie mogul and you miss the production

5:08

movie. I'm just saying I'm giving you the concept,

5:11

make it work for the Lord. We're

5:13

not the creatives here is that we're just

5:15

the people of the idea. We'll

5:18

see how the blind movie does. If it does

5:20

well, and then this may be one of

5:22

those projects we got to put back to the people like

5:24

black family treasure, or when we, you know, we

5:26

pulled the audience. Um, I

5:29

got to get, I got to get a vision for that. Jay. So that's

5:31

complicated, you know, but we'll see. Well,

5:33

in the movie business, you need, I

5:36

just gave you the body, the point. Yeah.

5:39

You need, we need to figure out unashamed

5:41

nation and you've been the movie mogul. We

5:44

need to figure out the legs, the

5:46

legs of the tentacles of

5:49

the movie, the way we'll go with it. I think

5:51

you could make it a half comedy half,

5:54

but seriously though, kind of. I did

5:56

see a, like a, I don't,

5:58

didn't see the whole movie, but. kind

6:00

of a comedy zombie. The

6:02

guy, he was a zombie, but he, he

6:04

kind of had some good, good in him and he started.

6:07

Was it Woody Harrelson? Was he in it? Yeah.

6:09

Yeah. I think that was it. Yeah. It was like, it

6:12

was kind of funny. I mean, but they were still

6:14

scary, but it was kind of had a lot of humor

6:16

to it. The guys like making up all the rules

6:18

for.

6:19

Well, the audio adrenaline song is called

6:22

Some Kind of Zombie. I looked it up. I

6:24

was thinking of the cranberries cause I grew up in the nineties.

6:26

Yeah. I remember this. So the

6:28

theme bars for the movie, we, I left that

6:30

out just to put, put a button on

6:33

this is Romans eight 10. But

6:35

if Christ is in you, your body

6:37

is dead because of sin. Yet

6:40

your spirit is alive because

6:42

of righteousness. And if the spirit of him

6:44

who raised you is from the dead is living in you,

6:47

he who raised Christ from the dead will also

6:49

give life to your mortal body. So his spirit, that's

6:52

good. It's, we

6:55

are your zombie. Now you

6:57

got it. Okay. Some weird, some kind of

6:59

zombie, some kind of zombie. That's

7:02

the name of it. That's the name of the movie right there.

7:04

Yeah. Some kind of zombie. Well,

7:07

I, we need to get ahold of audio, audio adrenaline

7:10

guys and see if we can, uh,

7:12

yeah. We'll have to work a deal with it. You

7:14

could put underneath that the name of the

7:16

movie, the tagline is coming

7:19

to a dead body near you. Some

7:25

kind of zombie. Dad, what do you think about this idea?

7:27

You've been pretty silent. I think, uh,

7:29

I think they got him watching himself. They'll fall

7:32

off the deep end. I'm

7:35

not sure if that was a compliment or a review.

7:38

Could have been he, however you want to take

7:40

it. Jesus did say throw

7:43

the net towards the deeper

7:45

water. All I'm saying

7:47

is, yeah, I think if you made a movie that

7:49

made fun of Hollywood zombie movies

7:52

that was in a spirit, you would never

7:54

think about that in the face genre for sure.

7:56

That might, that's interesting. It'd

7:58

be breaking the ground. Not like I just

8:01

had this crazy idea look that there's

8:03

a show called I've

8:05

never watched it, but I've heard about it the

8:07

waking dead walking dead the walking

8:10

dead. It's just in it's still on

8:12

yeah Oh, and there's now multiple

8:14

like spin-offs spin-offs. There's

8:17

yeah So I mean I got sucked

8:19

into that vortex for about two

8:21

or three years It was a good it was really

8:23

good till they brought out the tiger

8:25

and I thought it kind of went off the road Yeah, it was

8:27

hard to you know, it's a comic book Well,

8:30

all I'm saying is I think there's a way to do

8:33

it.

8:33

So from well Jason's

8:36

dreams to reality

8:38

back to reality tell

8:41

us about the Blind release

8:43

because this happening that this is the tomorrow

8:45

or ever tomorrow You know,

8:47

I think you better get them now get your

8:49

tickets today

8:52

I think we said in the last podcast we

8:54

may get pushed out eventually by the Taylor

8:57

Swift tidal wave that's coming

8:59

to theaters, but yeah, we'll be in a

9:01

theater near you go to the blind maybe calm and

9:04

Get your tickets now

9:07

and take your friends. Hopefully

9:09

we'll have a great showing up in the weekend.

9:11

It's here I mean, it's kind of kind of wild

9:14

all that work all that time and

9:17

here we are

9:18

and you said this Taylor

9:20

Swift thing's happening in a couple of weeks, so I Mean

9:23

you were being serious and saying that we better

9:25

get in there and try to see the film

9:27

because we're probably get pushed out Of some theaters.

9:30

Yeah, I don't I mean, yeah I

9:32

think we got about a week to two week

9:35

window to see this film So if you

9:37

want if you want to watch it, I mean get out there

9:39

and and

9:40

and get your tickets now You know, there's a lot that

9:43

there's a lot of creative Things

9:45

that are happening. I know I've heard from a couple of people

9:48

one is in North Carolina not too far from you

9:51

That they're going to do it at a at a university

9:53

there Good friend Kenny

9:56

is organizing that and then I know

9:58

some churches are going

10:00

to do that as well. There's some options. So if

10:02

you go to the blind movie.com, you can get

10:05

information about that. Correct?

10:07

Yeah, it may be too late for that, um,

10:10

uh, for it to get it in your church, but I mean, you

10:12

still go, I mean, you can fill out the form.

10:14

I'm not a hundred percent sure that I'll tell you what's cool though. I

10:16

thought to Kenny, who's doing that at a university

10:19

where they're going to have, I think

10:21

about 350 students

10:23

are going to watch the bond. They're going to have a Babistries

10:26

as well set up. Yeah, I think he said,

10:28

and, uh, which I think is cool. I don't know

10:30

if y'all saw this a few weeks ago. There

10:33

was a, well, first of all, that Sadie at

10:35

her conference, there was several hundred young

10:38

women that were baptized into Christ. And

10:40

then a few days after that, I saw

10:43

a post from, um, Jenny Allen,

10:45

uh, that she was at university

10:47

of Auburn with a few other people and they

10:49

had a kind of a, I don't know, some kind of revival

10:51

there or something. And afterwards they,

10:54

um, they were like, Hey, we got some people that

10:56

are going to get baptized down here in this Lake

10:58

that's on campus. And they

11:01

sat out there for hours and

11:03

all these students were

11:05

coming to Christ and we're being baptized in

11:07

the Jesus. And there was three

11:09

or four people in the water. I mean, they were just coming

11:12

in droves and you could, I mean, the footage

11:14

was amazing. It was just like a, like a, a pond

11:16

just surrounded by college students. And they were

11:18

just one after another confessing Christ and being

11:21

baptized. And so then I thought, how

11:23

cool will it be? Um, if people

11:25

go watch this film and,

11:27

uh, and that happens, I mean, so, you know, that I

11:29

can see, you know, churches that are putting this on,

11:32

uh, are planning, you know, to see God moving

11:34

it. So, um, a lot of, a lot of things are happening.

11:37

I, it's kind of an interesting time in our culture. I

11:39

feel like people are just in

11:41

the world. We live in this cancel culture world. That's

11:43

so much based on performance. And

11:45

at any moment you can be canceled. I think

11:48

now more than ever, people are literally

11:51

dying for hope, dying

11:54

for a redemption story, dying for a way

11:56

out of our sin problem or way out of all

11:58

the condemnation that's been heaped on. And

12:00

this movie is that, I mean, it's, I mean,

12:03

Phil, you laid it bare. You did.

12:05

You laid it all out there. And

12:07

I think people are going to be moved

12:10

by it and it's going to be very powerful. So

12:12

I can't encourage you enough to go watch this film. Yeah.

12:15

And you know, it's like, it's like the passion

12:17

has been for, I don't know, however many years

12:19

has been since Mel Gibson made that. It's

12:22

the good thing about it, Zach, is this is a tool

12:25

that can be used in the future. And that's

12:27

one of the things I told about that. One of the things I was

12:29

excited about having a movie made about their

12:32

life that led them to Christ was

12:35

that, you know, that's, that'll be around from

12:37

now on. I mean, uh, and

12:39

be able to bless people generationally, you know,

12:41

when, when I run into people now,

12:43

a lot of young people that watch Doug Dynasty

12:46

and I'm like, well, you're too young. I, I can, and we've

12:48

been off the air for six years and

12:50

I only watched the rerun. And so

12:52

then it hit me. I thought, man, this is a generational

12:55

blessing that people will get. It's the

12:57

same with this movie. So that's the beauty

12:59

of it is we'll be able to use that going forward

13:01

for just what you describe may

13:03

be a moment of revival or whatever,

13:05

you know.

13:06

Well, I mean, there, there, I think people

13:09

right now in, in 2023, the weight

13:13

of condemnation that is, is

13:16

that people are under

13:17

I've never, I mean, I mean, I've, I've

13:19

even felt it and I'm just, it's just this, especially

13:21

young people. There's this weight of condemnation

13:25

of just constant accusation, constant

13:28

reminder of everything

13:30

that you do wrong is publicly on display.

13:32

Every, I mean, it is, I mean, people

13:34

are dying out there. And I, and I thought about this

13:37

verse over and over again, as we've made this film

13:39

in Romans chapter eight, verse

13:41

one, I just want to encourage everybody with

13:43

this, if you're in Christ Jesus, listen

13:45

to this there, there is therefore no

13:48

condemnation for those

13:51

who are in Christ Jesus period. If

13:54

you are in Christ Jesus, no matter what

13:56

you've done, no matter what your past is,

13:58

no matter, you know, all the, what, It doesn't

14:00

matter. There is no condemnation for those

14:02

who are in Christ Jesus. So I just want to be a part

14:04

of telling those kinds of stories really for the rest of my life

14:07

and I hope that we get to do that. So the mind's one of

14:09

those stories. So yeah, tomorrow is

14:11

the day guys. Tomorrow's the day. More is

14:13

a big day, which we're excited about. Be sure and pray

14:15

for that as well. Cause obviously we want it to be

14:17

an impact

14:18

for people, you know, which is, which

14:20

is what the podcast is about. It's what it's all about.

14:22

So as far as the zombie thing

14:24

though, um, yeah, I'm about to get

14:27

back with you on that, Jerry, so, oh boy.

14:30

That's the, that's the classic blow off there.

14:32

Let me get back to you. Let me

14:34

know, but let me have my people talk to

14:36

your people. People look into that one. Didn't

14:43

get it. I

14:45

gave you a scriptural foundation.

14:49

Now you have to have an open

14:51

mind or it

14:53

just falls on the cutting room floor.

14:56

Now he knows that really is a movie mogul.

14:58

Cause they say no way more than they say.

15:00

Yes. I

15:03

would like to hear from unashamed nation. Just be

15:05

honest. I mean, you know,

15:06

is, I mean,

15:08

I'm not saying America scripture. Yeah,

15:10

I didn't say it was not going to take

15:12

creativity. Okay. Yeah.

15:15

This is especially when you're doing something

15:18

that's never been done before. But if

15:20

you had 10,000 movies and they

15:22

all follow the same general line,

15:24

you get what we got. That kind of has

15:26

an evil vibe to it or

15:29

a curious vibe. It just seems

15:31

like that one Christian organization

15:34

could rise up and say, you want

15:37

to see a movie about zombies that's positive.

15:40

Here you go. I just don't think that's too bad.

15:42

All across America. I want to see a positive

15:44

zombie movie. I know. They were very

15:47

popular. I had a dream and

15:50

it came out. I'm just saying. If

15:52

you had it, I will say that I'll lean into

15:55

the, I'll lean into that part of it. For sure. Especially,

15:57

uh, those be on the Facebook. Cause I know.

15:59

is a big group of Facebookers, uh,

16:02

that listen to the show. Let, let

16:04

that group know. I want to hear that discussion. So

16:06

we'll hear this on the other side. You talked about on the other

16:08

side, by the way, I do read the

16:11

comments. Someone said, uh, someone put on there the other

16:13

day that he's that didn't even read these comments, but

16:15

I don't have a, I don't have a Facebook

16:17

page, so I can't comment on anything,

16:19

but I'd look through my wife's page. Cause

16:21

I don't have, I have like a public page where they don't have like

16:24

a, you know, I can't comment. Well, then

16:26

the organizers of the Facebook group, they do

16:28

listen and then watch everything and then they love

16:30

it. I'd recommend

16:33

that you need tech support. I need tech

16:35

support. That's what we need. Yeah. You need to

16:37

have a way to do that. Tell them to change

16:40

the name from Zach to Jayce. You

16:42

get tech report. I mean,

16:44

I support, and then you can figure it

16:46

out because

16:47

I'm not reading the comments. Yeah.

16:50

And I'm not either. Cause I don't have Facebook and I'm too

16:52

busy, but we do have people that do and get

16:54

us the messages. So that's important. All

16:56

right. So we're going to take a break. Uh, we come back.

16:58

We're going to have a, uh, a special guest on

17:01

today and maybe he can, maybe

17:03

he'll have some ideas about zombie

17:05

movies. We might ask him about that. I may be too

17:08

embarrassed to ask him. He's pretty, he's

17:10

a pretty important guy. So anyway, we'll,

17:13

we'll take a break. Uh, I'll tell you who we're having

17:15

on the other side.

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17:20

lately? I did last week. I

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was in Birmingham, Alabama. I

17:25

stopped. Jill had to buy some clothes. And

17:28

I said, I need new underwear. They had a Tommy John

17:30

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17:32

two pair and I told the lady, I said, you know, it's, you

17:34

know, it's bad when

17:36

we get, we can get these for free, but yet

17:38

I'm, I need them so bad and I'm buying them. And

17:41

that's how good they are. I bought

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me two pairs this past, but yeah, just,

17:45

just last week. Well, we, and we

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18:43

So welcome back to unashamed. We

18:45

have a very distinguished guest. One of our

18:47

favorite people, Lieutenant Colonel Allen West

18:50

is in the house. So Allen, welcome to the

18:52

unashamed podcast. Well, it's good to be

18:55

with y'all. I don't think I'm so distinguished

18:57

after this past college football weekend

18:59

where, you know, I'm so glad you

19:01

just went there. That's what I love about you.

19:04

I got to, man. I got to look, I

19:06

saw it coming. I mean, I

19:08

went to University of Tennessee and the Gators,

19:10

I mean a nighttime game in the swamp

19:13

and

19:13

they needed a big win. They need

19:15

an upset win. And you know, Tennessee

19:18

just didn't show up in that second quarter.

19:20

They don't know where they were. I'm a big Gator

19:22

fan. I grew up in Gainesville. I'm

19:25

glad to know that you're a your of all. And

19:27

I just want to tell you, it was a great game and we

19:29

really enjoyed it. No, it was

19:32

a great game. You wanted to do that?

19:35

Sure. Well, we discovered

19:37

all this before we came on air. While

19:40

y'all were watching that game, I was

19:42

actually alligator hunting. And

19:46

Tennessee was an alligator

19:49

hunting. That's for certain. So,

19:52

well, if you want to do something about alligators,

19:54

you come to Louisiana. And

19:57

so I took care of a nice seven

19:59

and a half. half-foot alligator. Wow.

20:02

And Zach, I'm going to have to admit, after I pulled

20:04

the trigger, the first thing I thought about

20:06

was you. Go

20:10

Gators. Hey,

20:13

I think the Gators, I was encouraged

20:15

by that game, for sure. So I can't wait to

20:18

see what happens when we roll up on the Tigers. That's

20:20

going to be fun. Yeah. It's going

20:23

to be an interesting SEC season.

20:25

I mean, South Carolina looked

20:27

good in the first half. They didn't show up in the second

20:29

half against Georgia. And everybody's

20:32

wondering about Alabama, right? Because they don't

20:34

live there. They struggled. They struggled

20:36

against South Florida. So they got to pick

20:38

a quarterback. Yep. That's exactly right.

20:40

It's going to be a fun season. My most fun

20:42

memory of that is the first time I met Tim

20:45

Tebow. And he's like, you're

20:47

not an LSU fan, are you? And I was like,

20:50

I live in Louisiana. He

20:52

said, Jake, I'm serious. They

20:54

need Jesus. Amen.

21:00

I agree. He said, I'm pretty convinced that

21:02

I was the only sober person there

21:05

when he played in

21:06

baseball. Well, it's funny because we've had, because

21:09

of the Dashers, mainly early on,

21:11

because otherwise we didn't know a lot about Florida,

21:14

that kind of built into our personal

21:16

Robertson rivalry. But

21:18

because Tebow played

21:20

for Florida, I was like, yeah,

21:23

I don't like Tebow. And then we met him and

21:25

we love him. So it's like, now I realize.

21:28

Now that he's not playing for Florida. Part of the route against

21:30

him. Exactly. Yeah. But let me ask

21:33

you all a question, all you LSU bingo

21:35

Tiger fans, who translates

21:37

for that little leprechaun coach you all got?

21:40

You know, I think that's why we've

21:42

been successful. It's just

21:45

go out. What did he say? He said, just go

21:47

out there and get on. Yeah. We

21:52

keep it simple. I miss

21:54

Coach Ogeron, man. You

21:56

know, when Coach Ogeron

21:58

was first.

21:59

meet at first press conference.

22:02

He said, you know what I like about me

22:04

being the head coach at LSU? He

22:07

said, I'm the first one without an

22:09

accent. So he was awesome.

22:14

I mean, unfortunately for Cocho, I

22:16

think he, you know, he had that wonderful

22:18

team and had such a great season that he forgot

22:20

we got to do it again next year. You know, that

22:23

was the rebuilding is what Cocho

22:25

missed out on. But we love Cocho,

22:28

but I love saving. I mean, saving built

22:30

our program. We were in the jolt

22:33

rooms until he came to LSU. So I'm

22:35

still, even though he's in Alabama and all that, I'll

22:37

always appreciate what he did for us.

22:40

It was, it's a problem.

22:42

You know, when they put our

22:44

show, Duck Dynasty, into Spanish,

22:47

somewhere out there, some guy who spoke

22:50

the Spanish language looked at Uncle

22:52

Si, the character, and thought, I've

22:54

got to translate that into our language.

22:58

It's not decipherable. How do

23:01

you, we can't work over the name of English,

23:03

but we're not really sure what language

23:06

that is, you know. So I'm sure they

23:08

had fun. It was like to ask you what was Cajun

23:10

and I said, well, it's really a combination of

23:12

bad English and bad French together.

23:15

Yeah. And you try to figure out what it's about.

23:17

Well, Alan,

23:19

we're great to have you back on the podcast. I

23:21

knew we had had some before. I actually had to go back

23:24

and dig

23:24

around in my old notes. And it was actually

23:27

in October of 20, the last

23:29

time we had you on it, since it was right before an

23:31

election, we spent most of the time talking about politics.

23:34

So I don't want to talk a lot of politics today.

23:36

We're kind of, we're trying to move upstream

23:39

on the Unashamed podcast. But dad and I

23:42

were on your steadfast and loyal podcast

23:44

back in April. And yeah,

23:46

and really enjoyed that time with you. How's it

23:48

going with your podcast? And have you enjoyed

23:51

doing that? Because you've done a lot of different stuff. Yeah, no,

23:54

I absolutely enjoy it because the

23:56

thing that I try to do is to inform,

23:58

educate and activate people. So

24:01

often folks have an agenda, but I just

24:03

want to have some, you know, critical people

24:05

in this moment in time. Last

24:08

week we had Chloe Cole, who

24:10

is a 19-year-old young

24:13

lady who is detransitioning. I

24:15

mean, at the age of 12, she thought she wanted to be a boy.

24:18

And to hear her story and what she went

24:20

through and how now crisis has come

24:22

into her life and completely changed her life,

24:25

this is one of the big challenges that we have

24:27

today. So I like talking to people that

24:29

are on the cutting edge of many of the issues

24:32

that we have here and asking them the good, hard,

24:34

straightforward questions and letting them

24:36

respond to it. And I think that it

24:38

is good for that to encourage

24:41

people and get them to understand what

24:43

is happening in our country today.

24:45

Yeah, that's really powerful. I've

24:48

seen her story as well. And,

24:50

man, I mean, to speak into these

24:52

cultural issues that, you know, for

24:55

us, we can just look at it and say, well, this is wrong, this is simple,

24:57

this is biology. But for someone to have

25:00

traversed exactly where these people

25:02

are and then come out and say, look, this

25:04

is not right. And here's why. And speak

25:06

from personal experience makes a big difference.

25:09

So I'm glad you had it on your podcast. It's

25:11

sad.

25:13

That's all I can say about that. People

25:15

who get that confused,

25:18

it's sad. Well, I tell you, one

25:21

of the key things when you listen to the

25:23

interview with Chloe is parents

25:25

have to be parents. Parents have to be the adults.

25:28

Parents just can't go out there and affirm

25:30

anything that their child says they want to do.

25:33

I mean, if you're under the age of 18, you can't

25:35

go out and get a tattoo. So how is

25:37

it all of a sudden we're going to have kids saying, you

25:39

know, I think that I want my healthy body parts

25:41

chopped off. And then you

25:43

get pushed into this hard

25:46

decision, which is a false decision of, you

25:48

know, either you're going to have a child that commits

25:50

suicide or you should allow this

25:52

to happen. You know, my parents

25:54

would have never accepted that. And if I

25:56

had ever said, you know, I want to be Aline and not

25:58

Alan, dad would have had an interesting

26:01

conversation with me. And then he would have

26:03

asked, then he would have asked who put that idea in

26:05

your head. So when you look- It

26:07

never occurred to me, it never entered

26:10

my mind at all. Yeah. Until

26:13

about seven or eight years ago. And

26:15

I began to hear about it and I'm like, do

26:18

what? How did this catch on? How

26:20

did it catch on? Yeah. But we,

26:23

I mean, teenagers are all so

26:25

confused. I mean, I remember some of the

26:27

crazy ideas I had and I'd go

26:29

in there and tell you and mom,

26:32

what about this? And you were just like, no.

26:36

And that ended that. Yeah. That's

26:38

what he's talking about, parenting, right? Well, it is a breakdown

26:41

of the family and the home. I think it's the

26:43

root of all our societal problems

26:45

now. It is. And I tell

26:47

you it's purposeful. It's intentional

26:50

from what we see of the policies of

26:52

the left. I often tell

26:54

people, I was born in 1961 in the

26:57

inner city of Atlanta, Georgia, I

26:59

was born in a blacks only hospital, but at

27:01

that time, the two parents traditional

27:04

nuclear family of the black community

27:06

was like 75 to 77%. Today

27:08

is 24%. And all you have to

27:10

do is go back and look at the policies of

27:13

Lyndon Johnson, the great society, the

27:15

war on poverty. And when you say you're gonna

27:17

get checks to women who are having children

27:20

out of wedlock, you completely tell the man,

27:22

he doesn't have to be responsible. He doesn't have to be

27:24

accountable. And I

27:26

think during the Obama administration, they had this

27:29

video called the life of Julia, and

27:31

it just showed how the government can

27:33

come in and just take control

27:36

of the life of a woman from cradle

27:38

to grave. And now is if they

27:40

allow you to be born, which is

27:42

another incredible issue that we have

27:44

facing us. The,

27:47

they're making infanticide legal in

27:50

some of these states. And I think that

27:52

this really is where the body of Christ, I

27:55

know that Phil, you know, you've talked about

27:57

this so many times over the body of Christ got to find

27:59

some cahontas.

27:59

They got to stand up and speak

28:02

out against this and our pastors, especially

28:04

got to speak out against this. Yeah, you have to be

28:06

a voice of truth. Let's take a break.

28:10

So one of the fun things about doing

28:13

Unashamed, Zach, is we've talked

28:16

to a lot of young people that have

28:19

started their own podcast just

28:21

because they've been inspired by what they've

28:23

heard on Unashamed. I've appeared

28:25

on three or four. Some are just young

28:28

Christians that see a way

28:30

to impact people. Of course,

28:32

no matter how big your audience is, you're impacting

28:34

somebody, which I love. And so that's

28:36

kind of what the podcast genre

28:39

does. It allows you to get out

28:41

there on the internet and impact people for good. And

28:44

one of the guys that didn't do it because

28:46

of us, but certainly we've had an influence

28:48

on is Jim Daley, who

28:51

is the president of Focus on the Family.

28:54

And Jim's been a friend for a long time. Chad and I

28:56

were recently on his podcast, which

28:59

is called Refocus with Jim Daley.

29:02

And it's really good. Jim has

29:05

the Focus on the Family 40

29:07

years of helping families,

29:09

helping marriages, helping men

29:11

and women be more solid Christians. He's

29:14

been there for 20 years. Great

29:16

resource, reached a lot of people. He

29:18

has a lot of folks on there going to talk about cancer

29:21

culture, things that are going on in our world,

29:24

but mostly how to encourage people to be more Christ-like.

29:26

So we want you to check out Jim's podcast,

29:29

Refocus with Jim Daley on Spotify,

29:32

Apple, or anywhere else that you

29:34

listen to your podcast. Check him out. I

29:41

was going to ask you about that. I didn't ask you on

29:43

the last podcast about growing

29:45

up. Were your parents

29:48

Christians? Did you grow up in a Christian home

29:50

or did that come later for you? When

29:52

did that happen? I

29:55

was a black kid growing up down South.

29:57

I was going to Sunday school, going to church.

30:00

singing in the children's choir, going to

30:02

summer, UCAM, okay, all that

30:04

stuff. Yeah. Okay. You didn't say, you

30:07

didn't say no. You didn't get an option. Right.

30:09

So you, so you grew up in it. So you've had

30:12

it your whole life. Absolutely. What about, what

30:14

did you carry that with you? Like, cause I

30:16

know you spent whatever, 20 years in the military

30:19

and you were all around the world. Has that,

30:21

has faith always been a big part of that

30:24

and with, with your family as well? Yeah.

30:26

I will tell you that when you go back to

30:28

the Proverbs, 22

30:29

six, train up a child and the way that

30:32

they should go so that when they grow, they

30:34

shall not depart from it. You know, even

30:36

when my folks left me, you know, alone

30:38

up there as a freshman in 1979 at university

30:41

of Tennessee, I didn't want to go out there

30:43

and get buck wild and get crazy. Now

30:45

I did like the fact that I could go into the cafeteria

30:48

and eat all that I wanted to eat. That

30:50

was pretty cool. But I

30:53

did not want to hang out with, you know, that

30:55

other element. And so it was January

30:58

of 1980 when I made the personal

31:00

decision for myself to give my life over

31:02

to Christ, but they

31:04

laid the foundation for that to happen.

31:07

And so again, I think it's so important as

31:10

Joshua said, as for me and my house, we

31:12

will serve the Lord. We've got to get this

31:14

thing corrected in the homes all

31:16

across the United States of America. Yeah, no

31:18

doubt about it. I mean, this, this past year

31:21

has, well, I guess a year and a half now, you

31:23

know, we have various ministries

31:26

and my wife had this ministry where

31:28

she's sharing Jesus

31:31

to women who came

31:33

out of prison who was introduced to Jesus

31:36

in prison. So there was one program working

31:38

with my wife's ministry. So when they get

31:40

out, she would give them a job and they would make jewelry.

31:42

And it was, it was a nonprofit

31:45

in that the

31:47

more jewelry they sold, the more women

31:49

they would hire. And that's kind of how it went.

31:51

And one of the women who had gotten

31:54

kicked out of her program because she wouldn't

31:56

take a drug test, you

31:58

know, gives us a call. three

32:01

years later and from

32:03

the hospital because she

32:05

was in prison and they took her to the

32:08

hospital to have a baby and

32:10

so she was pregnant when she had gone to prison

32:12

and you know it dawns

32:14

on us that this woman who

32:17

we're familiar with because she was in the program

32:19

has signed her baby over to

32:22

us and it just

32:24

hit me in that moment I'm not gonna

32:26

go out here and share Jesus and not

32:29

rail about the breakdown of the family

32:31

if I'm not willing to step

32:33

up here and so the last year and a half

32:35

we've been involved with him and

32:37

through that you know I really

32:41

went to the Word just to give myself

32:44

confidence in what I was doing in Matthew 18

32:47

has become a chapter that

32:49

I just hang out in because what

32:52

I saw is the image this kid

32:54

made in the image of God beautiful

32:56

baby boy with all

32:58

the the fun and

33:01

just the inspiration

33:04

that we view toward this

33:06

kid because it's like I did and I was too

33:09

young when I had my own

33:11

kids to really appreciate

33:13

it you know you're just all hands on deck let's

33:15

raise these kids and now

33:17

I see a kid that I don't

33:20

want to fall through the cracks and through

33:23

society but just a couple

33:25

of verses you know in Matthew 18 you

33:28

know where Jesus compared the

33:30

kingdom when he said unless you change it become

33:32

like little children you'll never enter the kingdom

33:35

and then he warned had a warning

33:37

in verse 6 it'd be better anyone

33:40

who causes one of these little ones to

33:42

fall it'd be better for him to have a large

33:44

stone hung around his neck and

33:46

to be drowned in the depths of the sea which is

33:48

as strong a language as you'll ever read in the

33:51

Bible and then he gets down to

33:53

verse 10 and he said I tell you don't

33:55

look down on one of these kids for I

33:57

tell you that their angels

33:59

in heaven always see the face of my Father

34:01

in Heaven." And then he tells the parable

34:04

that he also told on why he was eating

34:06

with tax collectors and sinners, but he says,

34:08

verse 12, if

34:11

a man owns a hundred sheep and one of them

34:13

wanders away, will he not leave the 99 on

34:15

the hills and go look for the one that's

34:18

wandered off? And he finds it. I

34:20

tell you the truth, he is happier about that one

34:23

sheep than about the 99

34:25

that did not wander off. In the same way,

34:27

your Father in Heaven is not willing that

34:29

any of these little ones should be lost. And

34:31

that's kind of become our motivation. So

34:34

fast forward a year and a half later, and here

34:36

we are. The mom's been, she's out of prison.

34:39

She's in a great program. We're helping

34:42

her now learn how to be a mom,

34:44

you know, for the first time in her life.

34:47

But it just, that motivation

34:49

has to be there to

34:52

do something while we get society

34:54

fixed and the program's fixed. And

34:56

so it's been a really a joy,

34:58

but God's principles

35:01

will always win in

35:03

these types of situations. You

35:05

know? You're absolutely right. And I

35:08

just got back from a conference out in

35:10

San Diego, and it was sponsored

35:12

by an organization called Fathers in the

35:14

Field, and they selected me to be

35:16

their national spokesperson. But it's all

35:18

about the Bible

35:20

verse Isaiah 1 and 17, where it talks

35:23

about defending the Fatherless. That's

35:25

something that God calls us to do. And

35:27

this ministry, this organization, is all

35:30

about, you know, finding men,

35:32

and especially out of church, who are willing to be

35:34

mentors to young boys who

35:37

don't have a father in their life. And I'm

35:39

sure you guys will love it. They take them out hunting

35:42

and fishing and all of these things and sharing the

35:44

gospel with them, and they

35:46

end up giving their life over the crisis. As a matter of fact,

35:48

I met one of the young men, Justin, who

35:50

was about to go into the United States Marine Corps

35:53

next year, and he gave a testimony

35:55

about how things have changed because

35:57

of the mentor he had through Fathers

35:59

in the Field.

35:59

feel. But probably one of the most emotional

36:02

moments was to hear the story of

36:04

a mother in Florida who

36:07

lost her 22 year old son to suicide

36:09

because his father abandoned

36:12

him early on. And he

36:14

never was able to get over that, even

36:16

though he fathered a

36:19

young son himself. And

36:21

so here was his son at a year

36:23

and a half that because of suicide

36:25

now, that son does

36:27

not have a father in the home. So we're seeing

36:30

cycles of this. And somehow

36:33

we've got to stop it, we've got to end

36:35

it in every way, shape, form and

36:37

fashion. So I would challenge y'all look up

36:39

fathers in the field. John

36:42

Smith Baker is the head of that organization.

36:45

And they're doing incredible

36:47

work, you know, by getting men

36:49

in church, especially to be

36:51

mentors for these boys to train

36:54

them up in the way that they should go because

36:56

you've got to have that strong male role

36:59

model, which made a difference in my life. Because

37:01

my dad was born in 1920 in South

37:04

Alabama across the Chattahoochee River grew up

37:06

in South Georgia. He was a

37:08

corporal in World War Two. And

37:10

I remember the age of 15 when my dad

37:13

said that there's no great honor than to wear the

37:15

uniform of the United States of America and you will

37:17

be the first officer in our family

37:19

because he was an enlisted man. My older brother

37:21

was an enlisted Marine in Vietnam.

37:25

And if we don't have men in the

37:28

lives of boys to challenge them,

37:30

and as we talked about, you know,

37:32

I didn't get an option of

37:35

going to Sunday school, I didn't get an option

37:37

of going to church, I didn't get an option to

37:40

sing in the church choir, I didn't get an option

37:42

of going to, you know, the summer

37:45

youth camps. My dad made sure

37:47

that I was there because he understood the importance

37:50

of having not just a strong earthly father,

37:52

but a connection to your heavenly father.

37:55

And so when my dad passed away,

37:57

early in my life, 1986

37:59

I was just 25 all

38:02

of those things that he had trained me up on that

38:04

has enabled me to be a good dad To

38:07

my two daughters and now, you know,

38:09

I'm a granddad I've got one grandson

38:11

and another on the way in November, so

38:14

we have got to take this battle of responsibility As

38:18

men to train up the future

38:20

American men Yeah, and I love that stepping

38:23

in the gap when others, you know, don't

38:25

have that figure in their life. Let's take another

38:27

break So

38:30

we all have Unexpected medical

38:32

needs that come up from time to time

38:35

and one of the last things we want to do

38:37

is be worried about how We're going to pay for it and

38:39

yet people face that every single day So

38:43

two questions for you. How are you paying for your

38:45

health care? And how's it working out for

38:47

you if it's working perfectly great

38:49

if it's not then listen closely because

38:52

we have a solution It's a biblical

38:54

solution. It's called Samaritan ministries

38:57

Great Bible name, which I like

39:00

it's a community of Christians that help pay

39:02

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39:05

It's assurance that you're part of a

39:07

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39:10

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39:12

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39:15

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39:24

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39:29

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39:39

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39:41

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39:44

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39:46

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Which is, Jason, you talked about, you know, that

40:37

idea about stepping in when the opportunity

40:39

is not there. Well, that's why I shared

40:42

that. You know, I miss opening

40:44

day of deal season because we had him

40:46

for the weekend. And I was like,

40:49

I had to do so much other stuff. But

40:52

now that he's learned the English language and

40:54

we have communication, I mean, I

40:56

bet I told him Saturday

40:59

at least seven times, maybe

41:01

eight. No, we're not

41:03

doing that. And he

41:06

listened. You know, I mean, it's what

41:08

your point is. And it's something I'm living

41:10

out practically. You're also finding out why

41:12

that, you know, Alan said he's a grandfather.

41:15

So am I. So are you. There's

41:17

a reason why God made it that way, that

41:19

you have your grandkids because

41:21

you have the kids taking care of those kids. You've

41:23

taken that middle out. Yeah,

41:26

exactly. But I thought yesterday, even when

41:28

we were worshiping together and we had a men's retreat

41:31

and, you know, I just looked

41:33

at it was a very moving service. These guys

41:36

have been doing a two day retreat.

41:39

And you could see the look

41:41

on their wives' faces. They were genuinely

41:43

excited that their man

41:46

is excited about being leaders

41:48

of their family. I mean, you could just sense that

41:50

you saw a lot, just as many women with tears

41:53

as you saw men. And I just looked

41:55

I looked across the crowd, though, and look,

41:57

I saw all kinds of races. of

42:00

multiracial people, everybody

42:02

had tears going down

42:05

their face, yet all these people from

42:07

Celebrate Recovery that are coming out

42:09

of every addiction and every kind of

42:11

sexual fantasy and identity problem

42:14

that you could ever think of, all

42:16

under one place in the name of Christ,

42:19

surrendering themselves to

42:21

a new way of living life as humans.

42:24

They had a bell that they would ring out, and

42:26

it was kind of a symbol of

42:28

submission to Christ, like they'd come

42:30

to some point in their life. It was a really moving

42:32

service. I noticed one family,

42:35

the guy went up first, and he had a big old long

42:37

beard. He looked like he fit right in around here. He

42:40

rained that bell, but then he went back up,

42:42

and all of his kids were with him, and

42:44

they were ringing the bell with their dad.

42:47

I just thought it was a neat thing because it was the idea

42:50

of that's what family finds it together.

42:52

Many times, you've lost your way, which

42:55

is powerful. Well, yeah, it made me reflect

42:57

on that just because yesterday was

42:59

the first time in my life that

43:02

there's an older African

43:04

American woman who always sits right behind

43:07

me and my wife, who's just a warrior

43:09

for the Lord. I

43:12

said yesterday was the first day that I got kissed

43:15

by an African American woman and a

43:17

man in the same day, because the

43:20

man was Larry Bose. Larry,

43:22

come up. I went to Athens,

43:24

Greece with him, and I saw him, and he come up and

43:27

kissed me on the cheek. I thought, oh,

43:29

I guess this is a holy kiss. Yeah, that's what

43:31

I thought. He worked for the Middle East. They

43:33

agreed that way. There was something about the interchange

43:36

that happened in 10 seconds, and

43:38

my good sister, Miss Betty

43:41

Capers, she kissed me on the cheek

43:43

and my wife. I don't know.

43:45

It just made me tear up. I thought, you know,

43:48

it was a moving service, but I thought

43:50

this is what the kingdom of God should look like.

43:52

What the kingdom should look like. Yeah, that

43:54

was the agape love that, you

43:56

know, it talks about in the Bible. And

43:59

that's what we have to have. That's what Jesus Christ

44:01

talked about was us having that type of love for

44:03

each other. And I think that

44:05

transcends, you know, like you just talked about,

44:07

it transcends race or any of these

44:09

other divisions that some people

44:12

want to try to create in us. And

44:14

so that's the power. And I really think

44:16

that there is a resurgence of

44:19

our Judeo-Christian faith heritage in this country

44:21

because we see so much evil. I mean,

44:23

you know, in Isaiah 5.20 it says, woe

44:26

be to those who are called good, evil, good,

44:29

light, darkness,

44:29

darkness, light. That's exactly where we are right

44:32

now. And so when you have folks that

44:34

are talking about, you know, transitioning

44:36

our kids and gender affirming our kids

44:39

and taking away your child if you

44:41

don't go along with this or, you

44:43

know, murdering our children in the womb

44:45

by dismemberment all the way up until the time

44:47

of their birth and even after, I

44:50

think that you're going to see more people stand up and

44:52

say, you know, this is just not right.

44:54

And I can't agree with it and I

44:57

cannot go along with this. Yeah. You're

44:59

so right. I've shared this story before, but

45:01

I got to share it. Hang on before you share that. Let's

45:05

take our last one. So

45:09

when I was in my early 20s, I'd shared

45:12

the gospel with a guy who lived out where

45:14

my dad lives. And it's pretty

45:16

rough out here. I mean, Phil's

45:19

preaching the gospel to everybody around here, but it's just,

45:21

it's pretty rough neighborhood.

45:24

This guy, he was struggling whether

45:26

he wanted to change his life or come to Jesus.

45:28

And I was trying to get him to come meet

45:30

with us at church and I talked him

45:33

into doing it. And so I didn't

45:35

know everything about his life or whatever. But

45:37

as soon as we got settled there and

45:39

it's a pretty big church, he leaned

45:42

over and he said, there's a lot of black

45:44

people here. And

45:46

I kind of looked at him strange and I

45:49

thought, because I didn't know, which, you know,

45:51

later I found out that he had racist

45:54

tendencies, you know, but my response

45:56

was, I said, I hadn't noticed. And

45:59

so then when we... started singing together, I

46:01

looked back over at him and just tears

46:04

were coming down his face. And

46:06

he actually responded during the altar

46:09

call and came to Jesus that day. And

46:11

later on we got to be friends, but he

46:13

was brought up in a racist home. And he

46:16

just had never let,

46:18

you know, God's truth be,

46:21

you know, in his heart, nor had he even considered

46:24

that just because he was a victim of how

46:26

he was raised. But I just always

46:28

remember that story is such a moving story.

46:30

And the fact that I said I hadn't noticed

46:33

really got to him. Yeah. You know, I

46:35

said, Oh, man, we're, we're just

46:38

all, you know, humans. Slaven

46:41

or free, man. No, no, no, no. Yeah. You

46:44

were Gentile, black or white.

46:46

But you can gripe about it or you can share Jesus.

46:49

And in his case, that's a happy ending

46:51

that helped the world be a better place. And

46:53

it wasn't what we did. It was, you know,

46:56

the power and grace of the Lord Jesus and

46:58

him hearing it for the first time, despite how

47:00

he was raised. Absolutely.

47:02

So Alan, I want to ask you about in

47:05

our last segment here, the you

47:07

just,

47:07

I noticed you were just spoke at Liberty and

47:09

looked really exciting. You did the convocation.

47:12

We've done convocation before. We

47:14

did it as kind of like a Q and A with our whole family

47:16

one time, but it was just such an electric

47:19

atmosphere, as I recall. What was that like?

47:21

And what was your message for all those college kids?

47:23

Well, I will tell you what an incredible

47:26

and emotional moment that I will

47:28

never forget to be on that stage there

47:30

at Liberty University, world's largest

47:32

Christian university in front of what, 13, 15,000, their

47:34

student body. And the last time

47:38

I was up at Liberty University, Willie

47:40

Robertson and his wife were speaking

47:42

there. Of course, their kids are there. So

47:45

it was fantastic. And what I want

47:47

to do is take the theme of that university

47:50

where it says training champions for Christ.

47:53

And I kind of talk about my top 10

47:55

verses that have helped me to be

47:58

a champion for Christ in these years. And

48:00

I wanted to make it personal to the

48:02

kids there. So there are five verses from the

48:04

Old Testament, five verses from the New Testament.

48:07

I showed them my three by five cards that

48:09

I always have with me where those

48:12

verses are written. And then

48:14

I had them at the end, pray

48:16

the prayer of Jabbes, oh that you will bless me

48:18

indeed in the Lord's my territory because

48:21

I wanted them to have that personal commitment.

48:24

And I talked about, give me the strength and

48:26

the courage of wisdom and discernment to defend

48:28

faith and freedom for your people.

48:29

And my God granted as I have

48:32

requested. So just

48:34

an awesome opportunity and it just re-energizes

48:37

you when you see those young

48:40

people that are there all about

48:42

being champions for Christ. And so

48:44

I wish our football team

48:47

had played as well as Liberty's football team

48:49

this weekend. Maybe

48:51

I wouldn't be hearing all this gator chop crap.

48:56

But they're definitely training

48:58

up champions there at Liberty

48:59

Universes. So that

49:02

was an incredible honor if you are

49:04

a believer, if you're a Christian,

49:06

if you're in the public sphere, you

49:09

want to be on that stage at Liberty University.

49:11

And you know what's interesting Alan, they've expanded

49:14

even so much so that like my two

49:16

teenage granddaughters are

49:19

online Liberty now, finishing

49:21

their high school, which eventually will lead to

49:23

their college experience. And so I

49:25

love it that these guys are thinking forward

49:28

and ahead. Zach, I wanted to ask you about that because

49:30

you went to Liberty a few months back,

49:32

right? Or last year met

49:35

with our film department, showed our film there that's

49:38

coming up. And what was that experience like when

49:40

you were there? I mean, cause these are innovators, right? These are,

49:42

that's like next generation for film and

49:45

every other medium. Yeah, I thought that was

49:47

awesome. You know, one of the things that we talked

49:49

about a lot in kind of Christian worldview

49:52

is that we need more Christians

49:54

in art and entertainment. It's such

49:56

a powerful medium to impact

49:58

and influence.

49:59

the imagination of a culture. So, you

50:02

know, going to Liberty and seeing how robust

50:05

their film department is. I mean, they have a world-class

50:08

set up there. I mean, it's extremely nice. And

50:11

a lot of students coming out of there. I hired

50:14

one of the guys, you know, so yeah, it's

50:17

encouraging to see that there's a lot going

50:19

on for this next generation. You've seen

50:21

Christian films come a long way just

50:24

in the last 20 years. I mean, it wasn't even a thing 20

50:26

years ago. And then here we have the blind

50:28

coming out tomorrow. And, you

50:31

know, that's, I mean, that's a, it's

50:33

just come a long way. So I'm

50:35

excited to see, you know,

50:38

what happens in the future with universities like

50:40

Liberty that are putting money

50:43

and time and effort into training up the next

50:45

generation of storytellers. Yeah. And

50:48

Alan, I'm so glad you brought up about Fathers in the Field.

50:50

I was, I had become aware of that organization

50:52

and we've been talking about trying to have somebody

50:54

on our podcast. So I'm glad I didn't

50:57

know until you just told us you were going to be speaking

51:00

on their behalf. But Murray Crow was

51:02

the first person that told me about this group, which is

51:04

a gal, Jason show and a really dear friend

51:06

of our families. But what an important

51:08

thing. And I don't know if that's how I kind of

51:11

see you, Alan, that's just my, my,

51:13

you know, opinion. But you seem to

51:15

be one of those guys that

51:17

God uses to speak

51:20

out and use your platform to help

51:22

other people and especially people that can't

51:24

help themselves. And so I think

51:27

it's a good place. God's in a position.

51:29

God has you in, is that kind of how you see yourself

51:31

or no, without a doubt. You

51:34

know, I go back to three years ago when

51:36

I had that motorcycle accident and

51:39

you know, no one walks away from a motorcycle

51:42

accident on an interstate highway on Memorial

51:44

Day weekend at 75 miles per hour.

51:47

And I am just so thankful to God that he has

51:49

spared my life. And, you know, I

51:51

thought that I will continue on for, you know, 30 years

51:53

and maybe even more in the military, but God saw

51:57

a different path for me. And so

51:59

He got me off the military path at 22

52:02

years and put me on a different path.

52:05

And it's very humbling that a kid

52:07

in 1961 born in a blacks only hospital can

52:10

be here sharing the stage with you and

52:12

definitely talking about him and all he's done

52:15

in my life. I want to thank

52:17

you for doing that, my man.

52:19

Great. And we,

52:21

the first time I met you, we were working, actually

52:23

working on a cruise together at the same

52:26

time for Brett up at

52:28

Media Research. And you and

52:30

I shared a panel together. I got to meet your wife.

52:33

And you know, it just, it was pretty, it was

52:35

pretty instantaneous for me to be around

52:38

you that God had blessed you with something

52:40

unique

52:41

to be able to speak into this culture. So I've

52:43

never forgotten that. And just appreciate

52:45

what you do, you know, with your podcast,

52:48

everything else. I mean, you've got, you've made the most

52:51

of the opportunities that I'm sure God's going to give you a

52:53

lot more as you go forward. I

52:56

pray so. I pray so. And I would just ask that

52:58

Lord Jesus, please do not let me

53:00

be on an interview on a Monday morning

53:02

following losing to Florida

53:05

Gators with some Florida Gator fans.

53:07

Okay. That just

53:09

ain't right, God. That wasn't right.

53:11

You know what, El? God decided

53:13

you need a little bit of humility today. And

53:16

you didn't even know you were going to- I already

53:19

had it Saturday night. Okay. And

53:22

he introduces you to our obnoxious cousin

53:25

who loves his brother. It's

53:27

been a pleasure having you, brother. Keep doing what you're

53:29

doing. Always. God bless. Steadfast

53:32

and loyal podcast. Steadfast and loyal. Thank

53:34

you. So thank you, El. Appreciate you being

53:36

on. Appreciate you. Great job. Later

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