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This is Unbreakable

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with Jay Glacier, a mental

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wealth podcast build

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you from the inside out.

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Now Here's Jay Glacier.

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Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast

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with Jay Glazer. I'm Jay Glazer, and my

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vacation's over. Went to the Combine

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this past week, and I

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was like, you know, who could I have on to really

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explain what the NFL scount and Combine is,

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what the intricacies are, how

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you really kind of figure out who you want to invest

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in, how you get in between the six inches

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between.

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Your ears of these players.

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Who better to bring on than

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the first general manager I ever had on the

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show ever, Seattle Seahawks

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general manager, My little buddy, Josh Sneider.

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How are we doing? Stuts?

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How the going, buddy?

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It's so funny, Shines.

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I became friends in like ninety seven, and when you

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have your friends out here you've been friends with forever, you.

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Just do not introduce them.

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Yeah, it's weird, Right's kind of weird.

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Right.

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US TV hosts have a very high time with that

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shit.

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But those of you who can't see

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this, you're listening in audio before even

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start. Those who can't see this, right

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behind Schneider's head is this big painting

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that his son bended right.

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And all over the wall, all over

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the wall.

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And his son bend is autistic. Tell

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people real quick before we even start on this podcast

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about that, how you figured it out and

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what he's doing now, because his I have I

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think what five of his paintings something like that.

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Yeah, yeah, you have a bunch.

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So he's a genius.

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It's incredible and so twenty

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three years old and they're supposed to look kind of like

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Jackson Pollock ish and.

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Yeah, he loves it, and so you had.

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No idea he was like this until about four years ago.

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He always loved art and then when we

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hired Nicole his mentor,

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full time, they really just dove into it.

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And it's been great.

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So yeah, he has his own company, Small Ego

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art dot Com. And he does

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shoes too, so like, uh, it's

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like Air Force ones and stuff. So yeah,

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yeah, the majority of it goes to help families that can't

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afford treatments for autism,

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which you know, as you know,

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Jame, my wife Tracy has been doing it for since

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twenty eleven here and she's

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raised with everybody's hell perio at the Seahawks

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she's raised you know, probably over

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six million dollars for families so grant

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so for iPads and heavy

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blankets and you know, retreats

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and counselors and anything.

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And then that's one of the.

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Things to you and I have talked about it, like, man, when

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it first happened, You're like, man, why did this happen to

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me? And then you realize, wow, it happened

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to me, so it could happen for others that I could

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help them.

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You know.

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Yeah, It's one of those things.

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God, you know, gives you what you can handle, right,

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so yep, yeah.

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You know I never have to.

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You know, what was your reaction the

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first time you saw this first painting like

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this?

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I know my reaction was oh.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

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yeah. There was a lot of crying involved.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, of a

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lot of proud tears and and uh would

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take me to and then and then

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the it's the excitement of it, and then okay,

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what are we gonna do?

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How are we gonna do it?

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So then he's able to live on his

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own, so you know, gett him into his house

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and like getting his own studio set up, and you

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know, having you know, Tracy run the

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business and then.

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Answer my question.

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My question was tell me like, I

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don't know when you first saw it or like

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how when I first saw it?

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Like did she bring it into show you? Like, oh

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my god, look what's happened to her? Did he bring

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it?

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Yeah?

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No, I think I think they basically just sent me,

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you know, a pictures and showed up on my iPhone, you

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know, and when it was done. And then she showed

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me, you know, in fast time, the process

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of it and how they got to that point. So yeah,

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it was like, holy cow, this is amazing.

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I can't believe he's doing this. Yeah, and

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then the wall. The wall was basically like I

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didn't know if he'd want to do it, and and uh,

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my assistant Sarah asked Tracy about

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it, and they both talked to him and he was he was into

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it.

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So yeah, it took him about four hours, so he

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was to do it.

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Folks, small ego Art go to

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small ego art dot com or go to Instagram

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small ego Art.

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All right, So we just got back to the company and

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back of the day. He used to be able to just

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tearing the guys when you're interviewing

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them, right, say the most hateous

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shit, and see who's going to crack, who's

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not going to crack, who's going to respond certain

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guys who get a reaction of you

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can't do that anymore. Now you gotta be real sensitive

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to you know, what you say to these guys.

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And I was talking to guy down there or the other I said that if

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I had one question to ask these guys, it

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would be what's the biggest

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adversity you've overcome? He said,

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Jane, it's a great thing, but these guys

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have been so coached up on it, it's so.

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Hard to get a real answer. That's where our

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work really begins.

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Yeah, that's a good point.

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Our first when I started with the Packers, that was

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our first question. That's the biggest to obscleen that I'd overcome,

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really, And you know, we used to we used to pull guys to the side.

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And so there was a I almost said his name,

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I can't can't say. It was the defensive tackle from

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Notre Dame that I was interviewing, and I hadn't

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gone into the school that year, so I didn't know his

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full story. And I was like, it was the biggest

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obscle've had overcome. And he said well, you know for

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the opening game. You know, my parents were

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both killed and had on collision,

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you know, and I was able to get through the season

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and I was like, holy cow, man, like

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I'm so sorry, and I hugged him and he's like,

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oh man, I'm just fucking.

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With you, dude, that none's mess with No really.

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Yeah.

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So then I'm like, I'm going back to these guys like we're

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not gonna we are definitely not drafting this guy.

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There's so much more to it.

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And you remember sitting next to you

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know, like all the questions you can and cannot

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ask now, and you know, sitting next

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to Ray Rhodes as like a twenty two year old young

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man like I can't believe we're this

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guy gonna come across the table and kill

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us.

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Like I can't weave.

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He's staring into this guy right now.

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Did you ever see a guy jump over to tack, get physical to

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coach?

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No, no, but get up and leave, Get up and leave.

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Yeah, So it is interesting. How do you

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get the answers you're looking for now? And

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look, I coached guys right I

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was trending guys with a combine and I would be like, hey,

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listen when the answer comes up. The question

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comes up, and this sounds hard. The question

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was and I think I got.

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I forget what.

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Team's questions I got, but one of them was

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like, hey, do you want to be an NFL player because

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you want to be rich, you want to be famous, you want to buy

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your mom house or something

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else.

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Almost every one of the four answers like I want

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to buy my mama house. I'm like, nope, no

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one gives a fuck about your mom. You want to

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want to shoot?

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That is it?

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Like, well, that's not what the answer that's going to be your answer,

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right, So you know my answer is not on

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here.

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Right. Yeah.

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When the guys when they say, hey, you don't want to be you know,

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I want to be the you know, pro bowler and be

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the highest paid player at my position in

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four or five years, it's kind of like, okay, well

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that's great. What about the championships

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and the yeah

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yeah, but yeah, no, it's it's definitely,

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it's definitely. It's it's changed a ton, Jay,

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So like that fifteen minutes is

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really our coaches didn't go last

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year. So last year we were

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hyper focused on the character and

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how like the background and the person, and we've

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really concentrated on that over the last several years, like

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who's the person, who's the competitor and the nil

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stuff and the trade portal has actually really helped us

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with that. So the information you're getting from

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the guy's been to three different schools, like what are

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the sources? All the scouts have to really be working

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as one and working as a team

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to collect all the information.

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This year, going down with the coaches, we were able.

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To get like, look, let's get right to the football

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because we feel like our scouts do an amazing job

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of figuring out who the person is throughout

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the process and we'll continue to do that all the way through

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the spring. So it's hard to

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get to know somebody in fifteen minutes. And to your point,

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they're kind of they're pretty much coached up right

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and usually gotten their best behavior.

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But it's really more

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about spending as much quality time

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as you can when that's the thirty visits

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or going through the informals,

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or you know, having the scouts spend time with

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the guys at the produce.

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You're talking about the fifteen minutes and again you and I know

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it, but for the fans that are. I think most fans don't

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understand the process. Talk about that process

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fifteen minutes and then the fight for it.

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So we used to we used to have a vague

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rule where it was like, you know, you had

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to One of my first jobs was standing outside

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the Raiders room waiting for Prospect

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to come out, and we basically get in line like it'd

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be you know, Detroit, Chicago.

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I'd be third with.

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The Packers, right, and then you'd wait for

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the player to come out. So we tried

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to keep him like okay. It was kind of a vague rule like twenty

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to thirty minutes, but then people would go over

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time. Soud be like knocking on the door trying

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to like come on, you know, let's get going, like

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let's.

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Get this guy. I gotta I gotta get going.

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And so there'd be a lot of like arguments,

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fights number two guys like going

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into the pool fighting one night over a player,

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you know, like like from two helps from different

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teams. Yeah, and now the Jeff Foster's

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did an amazing job of of uh

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really, I'm sorry, yeah, really organizing

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it where the interview process,

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you know, we're primarily there for the medical The

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Jets drafted receiver you know named

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Wesley Walker, famous receiver you know, ended

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up like very talented, great player,

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but ended up being blind in one eye. And so there's

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really the jets that were like, I got all the teams together and we're

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like, hey, let's let's combine this. Let's get all

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all our docks here and check people out. And then

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from that came the interviews and the

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you know, the workout portion. Instead

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of just having a tryouts that you

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know, the pro days in the spring, let's

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get her together and have them go through like back

9:24

to back so we can watch them go through all the same drills

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and everything.

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So that's really you know why

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it started with.

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Jeff's done a great job of like streamlining

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everything the medical, we interviews,

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the workouts, and then you

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know the media time that the.

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Guys have to.

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Yeah, so now now instead of going

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standing at a door waiting for

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a prospect, you basically schedule

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the interviews ahead of time, and.

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There's you know, sixty guys.

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You schedule it out, and then the combine

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goes through and makes the schedule for you, Jeff and

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his group, and then

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just you know, we have a big, a big clock in there

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just to count down from fifteen minutes, just

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starts hitting and then once it hits

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Once it hits one, you're up and they're

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up and gone.

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And then the next that's where it comes in.

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The guy.

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How they have like a date card,

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they have a scheduled card with them. Maybe

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that's just you.

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That's cool how it is. Yeah, it's

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not just this league.

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And usually you know you will because

10:27

you know the majority of teams have an area guy in

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the room.

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So usually you'll have an area guy. I still

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go outside and wait, like, hey, this guy's gonna get

10:35

next. I know he's down at the Raiders. He'll

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come down.

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I'll go get them and walk them down our room so they know where

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to go.

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People off. When do you start preparing?

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How far in advanced do you start preparing for

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the combine?

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For the combine, Well, the whole process

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starts about a month after the draft, you

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know, at the national meetings. So we

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say that, yeah, so you

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sort through that, and and everybody sorts through

10:58

those grades, the grades the national scouts

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have given guys or blessed oh you know, the

11:03

other scouting group. We go through that

11:05

and then the team, the guys, the scouts

11:07

with the players, I'm sorry, the scouts that are

11:09

responsible for their areas. They'll put grades

11:11

on guys and then they kind of know how to sort, you

11:14

know, how they're gonna prioritize their

11:16

fall, how they're gonna schedule their area. You know,

11:18

how how many times they're going to go into Ohio

11:20

State or Michigan and you

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know basically what it's

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going to look like, right like scheduling my scheduling

11:27

a week of where I'm gonna go.

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Okay, I'm gonna go Notre Dame and Purdue Indiana.

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You know what I mean? Like, how am I going to schedule my fault.

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One is it starts right after the draft

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for.

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The about month, yeah, about a month after and

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then you know there's a there's a selection committee,

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right that that ends up, you know, deciding

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okay, here we go. And then now you

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know that usually that that you know intensifies

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probably like you know, maybe around December

11:52

and they call them like there's winter meetings,

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so they'll go back and have you know, some more winter

11:57

meetings, and then you're going on that and then and then

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they have to do a really good job with Okay, the

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guys that are declaring and not clearing and then who's

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going to get in and who's not going to get in.

12:05

So uh yeah, but I.

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Think people don't really.

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It's not like you guys start getting ready for the draft

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right after your previous draft.

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I don't think anybody.

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Realize, Yeah, it's a month. Yeah it's a month.

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So really really, our area, guys,

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the way we do it, and every team does it differently, the way

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we structure it is, you know, as soon as

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the national meetings are over at the end of May, as

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soon as we get those grades, and then you know,

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we go the area. You guys go through their schools

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as soon as they turn their grades in their

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summer begins so they can have that as

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much time with their family as they possibly can as

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they organize themselves for the fall.

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What's the let's say, coolest thing you heard one

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of the coolest things you heard in an interview with one

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of those kids.

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Doesn't have to be this year?

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Oh doesn't that to do this year? Oh man? Two

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amazing, two amazing ones that always

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come to mind as you know, as.

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A running back that our coaches were asking them,

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Hey, do you feel like you're like a more comfortable

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inside runner? Or outside runner and he's

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like, you kidd me, you guys been doing our new door facility.

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That's a good one.

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I know exactly what I love.

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Then there was then there was a running back that you

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know, get kicked out of a school for you

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know, too many positive marijuana

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tests and had transferred to another school

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and then had another positive tests. I had to

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miss four games, and you know

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one of our one of the people in the room was like kind

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of getting down on him, and one of the older gentlemen

13:23

in the room was like kind of like, I don't understand it sounded

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like why would you do that? Like I don't, I don't

13:28

get it, and kind of panicked. At the end, He's like I

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was, I was sitting in the middle of the couch.

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And I was next. I

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never heard that one really, Yeah, yeah, so

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it's funny of those. Yeah, yeah, pretty famous player.

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Yeah, oh my.

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God, that one is hilarious. I yeah,

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I've heard some beauties over the years, but give.

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Me the guy.

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Then who had an interview

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where you're like, oh, this so impressive

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and.

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Oh man, when yeah, when I

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met Troy Polamalu, who I felt like I was meeting

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a disciple really.

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Yeah.

13:58

He was my interview and it was you

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know, maybe the fact that he was like wearing birks

14:03

and you know, had the long flowing hair,

14:05

and it's like, hey, brother, you know, like I'm

14:08

like, this is the same guy that I saw make

14:10

fourteen straight tackles and start.

14:12

Did you see LA game? You know, like wow, I

14:14

couldn't believe that.

14:15

They're like really such an impressive

14:17

human being and communicator and leader

14:19

and like knew what was important to him.

14:22

He always stands that out to me. You know,

14:24

his uncle, you know, Kenny is a running

14:26

back coach. I was keep telling about it.

14:28

He's like, Okay, you've told me the story enough, you

14:30

know, so yeah, no, great

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guy. You know, Jay, The week is really

14:36

the interviews are a huge portion of it. But it's

14:38

really like like the week is very

14:40

structured, you know, so like I have league

14:43

stuff, you know, Monday, Tuesday,

14:45

part of Wednesday, you know, all the media

14:47

stuff.

14:48

The majority of general managers

14:50

don't.

14:50

Do a ton of media stuff, and that's like the biggest kind

14:52

of media day for you know a lot

14:54

of my colleagues in the league.

14:56

And we're not all that fired up about it,

14:58

as like we're.

15:02

Well look speakers as the as the head coaches

15:04

are because they have to speak so much every week, you know,

15:06

so there's a lot of us that you

15:09

know, I think Jason.

15:10

Would say you the same thing.

15:11

We were talking the afternoon, right Like,

15:13

once you kind of get through that portion, you're like, Okay,

15:15

now I can get on to.

15:18

Meeting, meeting with all the agents, meeting

15:20

with.

15:21

As many teams as he possibly can, you

15:23

know, getting to the workouts, uh, you

15:25

know, going through the uh you know, just

15:27

figuring out like who the cap catl the guys are going to

15:29

be, and what free agency is going to look like. Really just trying

15:32

to get like a global feel for what the landscape's going to look

15:34

like throughout the spring.

15:35

It's all look it also folks, to be honest with Also,

15:38

he is like our family reunion. We

15:40

all get to see our friends. You got my brothers.

15:42

You know.

15:43

It's like, it's funny because I used it's so funny.

15:45

I used to get ripped in the early days. But

15:47

when I was doing this for not being objective, because

15:49

I was friends with the players and coaches and

15:51

gms, and when the truth

15:54

was I just needed you guys

15:56

for my mental health, Like I need teams.

15:58

Like it wasn't like doing anything

16:00

to take care of like, oh, I'm not gonna be objective.

16:02

Well you've noted out of a little

16:05

less aggressive with the approach. I would say.

16:09

They used to be, no doubt, but it's but it really was

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I needed, I need my teams.

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And that's what it is.

16:14

The family part of it, the family

16:16

reunion part is really cool because you

16:18

don't you know, like you know

16:20

the coaches.

16:21

You can see guys on the road and you're scouting.

16:23

We had a really cool late night uh

16:26

you know, toast for the late Regie

16:28

Cob and then was really close with a lot

16:30

of people.

16:31

And and then Tommy Hecker one of the nights.

16:34

You know, really late night like get

16:36

together with all and that that that's cool like that

16:38

that that what you're talking about, that brotherhood.

16:41

So we need to combine here, take

16:43

us down the next steps from now to what

16:46

happens you get pro dage like basically

16:48

leaned.

16:49

Up to the week of the draft.

16:51

You know, we just got back last night, so we got back

16:53

in the office this morning, kind of meeting getting

16:56

with everybody.

16:57

Hey, what did you learn? What did you learn? Whether you know coaches

16:59

scouts, pro guys, you

17:01

know, everybody like, what did we learn this week?

17:04

And then from what what what? What do we learn?

17:06

How do we can'd of form our spring, not kind

17:08

of how do we form our spring? And what

17:10

are the what are the questions that we need to still get answered?

17:13

How do we strategize for free agency?

17:16

You know, do we you know, from a trade

17:18

standpoint, do we really think about considering

17:21

you know, working with that team? Are we you know,

17:24

how do that player going to fit in that this

17:26

team wants to trade for with what free agency looks

17:28

like or can compensate.

17:29

In a draft?

17:30

And and then you know, taking this

17:32

week before free agency starts to really

17:34

get organized for you know, how

17:37

you're gonna account for your spending. You know, you want to be

17:39

able to Ted Thompson wuld

17:41

say, right, you want to be able to keep your powder dry as

17:44

you come all the way around the corner into the uh

17:46

you know, to the trade deadline, so you can still be able

17:48

to improve your team at the at

17:51

the latest possible moment with trades you

17:53

know, during the season. So it's

17:55

really like, okay, how do we how do we

17:58

figure out you know, like an

18:00

extension standpoint what does that look like on

18:02

restricted free agency going out and trying to

18:04

fill some needs trades and

18:07

then at getting all the medical information.

18:09

I just came from a meeting where you know, we went through

18:11

all the medical information you

18:13

talk about, you know, a kick to

18:15

the growing, Like you have all these guys that were like you

18:18

can't have that guy, can't have that guy. I can't have that guy.

18:20

We're gonna have to do more research on those guys.

18:22

So the football these guys over is about

18:24

like, you know, I got it right now.

18:26

We got about like say one hundred and sixty

18:28

guys on our board, and we probably had like one

18:30

hundred and eighty. We probably had like about forty

18:33

of them, Like they're like the of those

18:35

forty to fifty, Okay, you

18:37

know, we'll go with the medical staff and figure

18:39

out, Okay, who do we need to bring

18:42

in on a thirty visit and have our docs

18:45

spend more time with and reevaluate.

18:48

So yeah, you know, my other part

18:50

of that question was like the schedule going

18:52

up to the draft.

18:52

The reason why I say it because I try and tell people

18:54

all the time, like if there's

18:57

reports out there right now that this

18:59

is such a nuch team has this guy in the top ten.

19:01

They're so full of ship because your boards

19:04

are nowhere near sets no

19:09

or even put up no no.

19:11

I think I think last year, I think I freaked out

19:13

Mike McDonald out, you know, like first

19:15

time head coach. You know, you come like, oh, cool,

19:17

Yeah, the Seahawks are supposed to be pretty

19:19

good at drafting and stuff, and you walked

19:21

into the draft room after after the comp.

19:23

Basically the gap to the comment.

19:24

What we do is we were like, if they had a good combine,

19:26

how they worked out, so we slide them up, slide the tags

19:29

up or down, and then we just know, like to

19:31

okay that we're going to spend more time just evaluating

19:34

the combine to we really seen the right thing, you

19:36

know, just from studying the film, from the workouts,

19:39

and then you know, so it looks like it's a total disaster.

19:42

He started, he's I think he was kind of looking at us like,

19:44

oh my god, this is going to be a nightmare. You know.

19:48

This now what happens.

19:49

Yeah.

19:50

The other thing happens to JA when when you're talking

19:52

about that is you know you go through

19:54

that week and you're like, you know, oh

19:56

yeah, you know you meet with people, and you meet with

19:59

teams and stuff, and and then you know

20:01

you've never trade for whatever call

20:04

whatever the position is, No, no, no, we

20:06

like our guys there. And then you talk to a team and they're like hey,

20:08

or you know, throughout the week. Later in the week you're

20:10

like hey, I you know, what do you think about

20:12

this guy? And you're like, man, maybe maybe

20:15

we should do that, you know. And then so then you

20:17

know, you end up making a trade that you just told people

20:20

you would never you wouldn't do, right, So then you

20:22

know, so there's just a lot of there's just a lot of

20:24

uncertainty at this time of the year, and it's

20:26

really like, okay, it feels like it

20:28

really feels like you're like in between

20:31

home plate in first place.

20:33

Yeah, no, it's it's again. I think

20:35

the process is well through it and I

20:37

can't say enough like a goat folks. Draft

20:39

wise, these guys, even when they do set

20:41

their board, they reset it the Monday of the draft.

20:44

Right you guys. You guys then have

20:47

mock draft to see what they want to do.

20:49

And it I mean for some teams goes

20:51

rap till the data draft where they're

20:53

just changing the order of things and

20:55

they and I think there's a huge

20:57

misconception because a lot of it is what's up,

21:00

oh Seahawks of this guy in the

21:02

top ten, Like Seahawks don't.

21:04

Even have ten guys there yet, Like we

21:06

don't do Monck drafts. I hear you say Monck drafts.

21:08

Like one of the worst drafts we did was we did like a rehearsal

21:11

mock draft, like where everybody had a team,

21:14

right and so, and then he was kind of it

21:16

was like, I'm like, okay, We're never ever doing

21:18

that again.

21:19

Why what happened?

21:21

What you just your brain's

21:23

all over the place.

21:24

Then you're like, okay, well that's

21:26

really not the way I view it coming

21:28

off right, And you have to be so pliable

21:30

throughout the draft weekend, like where you're going to try

21:33

to acquire people in what areas? It's

21:35

like, holy cow, we were just we

21:37

were a little too scattered that year.

21:39

So yeah, we will we will do that.

21:41

The uh again.

21:42

We were talking about having then with Chasing Light and there's

21:44

a couple of questions that came up. Come on to hit a couple of

21:46

these, and one of them was, what's

21:49

the thing about being a general manager that you you

21:52

weren't expecting, Like if you knew then, well,

21:54

you know now it would be a lot easier for you.

21:57

Oh man, what for you

21:59

as a GM.

22:00

We're getting the first sixteenth draft,

22:02

so really blessed in

22:05

Washington too.

22:06

Yeah.

22:07

So you know, I think, maybe not from a draft

22:09

standpoint, but I think the job, the job,

22:11

Yeah, yeah, I think. I think. I think the behind

22:14

the scenes stuff that people don't see, the personal

22:17

things that you can't talk about publicly

22:19

that you go through personally with players,

22:21

coaches, staff, that we're not necessarily

22:24

prepared for.

22:25

Uh.

22:25

You know, coaches go to a lot of you know, coaching

22:27

clinics and they share a lot more

22:30

you know, coaching information, you know schematically,

22:33

you know, we we we tend to not do that

22:35

as as going up in the scouting

22:38

industry and you try to kind of,

22:40

you know, keep things much.

22:41

More to the best.

22:42

And there's things that when you're in that position and there's

22:44

things that come up every single day and we're builda polly and

22:46

tell me and make sure to make sure, you know, when you show

22:48

up for work, you don't let people keep putting those monkeys

22:50

on your back because all of a sudden if every

22:53

keeps coming in your office and giving you their

22:55

monkeys by noon, you're gonna have twelve monkeys

22:57

on your shoulders and you're gonna have to work your tail off fall

22:59

out.

23:00

You're needing to fix it.

23:00

You got to be able to learn to delegate and not try

23:03

to fix everything yourself, and help

23:05

people grow and and just lead.

23:07

And I think just like your communication skills

23:09

and have never changed, and you know

23:12

as a person, or do things, do things the

23:14

way you know other people would

23:17

do them. I mean, I think the world of obviously

23:19

Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson and Terry

23:22

Bradway and people would have been my direct

23:24

bosses.

23:25

But I'm not.

23:26

I know I'm not them, and I've

23:28

always when we got fired in Washington, I

23:30

always thought like, hey, if ever get back in this, I'm

23:32

not going to try to.

23:32

Do it a specific way.

23:33

If I was able to get into that role again, and

23:36

then hooking up with Pete, he just made

23:38

it so evident because he went through you know

23:40

himself haven't been fired twice, you

23:42

know, in the NFL, and then having all that success,

23:45

you'd like, hey, we're just going to make

23:47

us the best marriage we could possibly make it. And

23:50

we're going to lead the way we lead as as

23:52

the people we are. So that part of it, and

23:54

then I would say, you know, the heart the hardest thing really

23:57

is the contractual part, and you

23:59

know, the casually part

24:01

like every year like kind of resetting and

24:04

every.

24:04

Year the new year, and you have to make decisions

24:06

to like, you know, move on, you know, and.

24:09

I mean everybody's human, right, you know, these

24:12

guys you become so

24:14

close like I don't want to say personally

24:16

close with the guys, but you care so much about them.

24:19

You know.

24:19

It's not as that's the now

24:22

eighty to ninety per of the job is amazing and

24:24

we're all like it's it's we're all

24:26

very very blessed to be doing this. And

24:29

Jason and I were talking about today, like the longevity

24:31

that's been amazing and we feel very

24:34

thankful for that. But that that stuff

24:36

is, like that human element is still very hard.

24:39

Well.

24:39

It's interesting because I whatever coach you get in

24:41

there, I was telling him, man, you have no idea

24:43

what to come about to come across your desk, right

24:46

the stuff because you're playing because everybody in your

24:48

building's messed up. It's just the bottom line,

24:50

you can't be great and not have some crazy

24:53

and to everybody.

24:55

Right, it's crazy.

24:57

But then there's family, and then you have agents

24:59

and baby mine and this and that, and all these people

25:01

are taking all this stuff and it all comes

25:04

on your plate across

25:06

your desk, whether you're the head coach or general manager,

25:09

and there's no there's no schooling

25:11

anybody can go to to deal with

25:13

it because you're dealing with mental health issues, you're dealing with

25:16

cheating issues, family stealing, I mean,

25:18

just really tough stuff, you know,

25:21

violence, things, things that you didn't

25:23

No one went to school for it, for this stuff. It's

25:25

just like and all of a sudden, now everybody suddenly has become

25:27

a psychologist. Everybody has to be a psychiatrist. Everybody

25:30

has to be a therapy and you have to learn on the fly

25:32

how to do that, which is amazing.

25:34

Yeah, I think that maybe the first or

25:36

second year we were playing down

25:38

into Alice and one of us starting offensive.

25:41

Lineman's uh like his loss's

25:43

best friend, and uh, you know

25:46

he's in my room and I'm sitting there hugging

25:48

this big guy, trying to help

25:50

him out, you know.

25:51

And yeah, to your point,

25:53

you're not trained for that.

25:55

Yeah, no, there's no. And even we did

25:57

go to school for it, we're still not trayed

25:59

for it. It's not no what's normal in

26:01

this lot of work?

26:03

Right?

26:03

Yeah?

26:04

I mean you should see the resumes. I get those there, like

26:06

I have my doctorate in sports management and I'm

26:08

like, well, where where

26:10

did you get that?

26:11

I mean, you

26:13

know when we were in college, they're like the sports

26:15

management stuff didn't didn't exist. And there's

26:17

so many there's so many talented people out there that just you

26:20

just need that op to.

26:21

Get in the door.

26:22

Last person I got for you, what's I

26:25

wore.

26:25

A colored shirt for you today? By the way, No, thank

26:27

you very much. When when was the last time or something the

26:29

color.

26:30

Comfortable with it? To be honest with you. Last

26:35

question got for you?

26:37

What traits you think you learned

26:40

from being a GM or let's say the GM hash

26:42

but you think could equate to

26:45

anybody trying to run a business.

26:47

For me, personally, it's pretty easy. It's it's a communication

26:50

and empathy.

26:51

Always trying to put yourself in somebody

26:53

else's promission and how are they

26:56

feeling? And you know, how are you,

26:58

you know, doing what's best for the club, Like first

27:00

and foremost, like what's best, what's what's

27:03

best for the for the organization, whether it's employees

27:06

or agents, or players or coaches

27:08

or doctor and the trainer and their fields

27:10

crew. Like having that like direct communication

27:13

and level of empathy and

27:15

appreciation for what everybody

27:18

and then you can take that, you know, anywhere you want.

27:20

You know, you know Mike Gerva, doctor

27:22

Gervey pretty well right and he

27:25

you know, work with Microsoft and Satia

27:27

and everything and they you know, Satia, I

27:29

built a whole, you know, I want

27:31

to say it's like two hundred and you know, sixty

27:34

thousand people basically that you know, he's

27:36

in charge of that.

27:37

He runs you know, the organization

27:40

through empathy, like first and foremost. So

27:42

that's that's it.

27:44

Love it, Snods. I appreciate your brother.

27:46

Get small Ego art dot

27:48

com or on Instagram. Thanks

27:51

for that, Jay, absolutely brother, Love you

27:53

man, and uh appreciate

27:57

it.

27:58

Thanks thanks for having me, man,