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This is Unbreakable

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with Jay Glacier, a mental

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wealth podcast build

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you from the inside out.

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Now Here's Jay Glacier.

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Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast with

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Jay Glazer. I'm Jay Glazer and

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joining me today is somebody who our

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universes have connected in

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the past and so many different ways.

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And it's not what he does for a living what I do

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for a living, but it's gonna be pretty cool when you all

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hear it. You guys probably know Mike

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Posner, who is a huge

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performer, producer, director

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everything you Can Imagine, also has

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recently produced his own community right Inner

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Bloom, trying to help you build up on the inside

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out. We're going to talk about that a little

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bit. Released a new album recently called

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The Beginning.

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Man.

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Mike, so happy to have you here. I

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appreciate you and you time in and I'm gonna tell

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people how we met.

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Nos thank you for having me. It's been been a

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long time coming. And I just

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really like you personally, so I'm

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excited to interface with

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your audience, but even more some just you say,

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to have a conversation with you. Brother.

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You know what, man, what I love about you as

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you and I like I don't know what your reasoning

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is for me. I looked

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at it like, because I've done so many

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bad sob stuff in this world.

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I was like, you know what, no one's ever gonna

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question my manhood. I can cry on the drop

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of a time. I'm gonna start using my pain and

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paying it forward, using my pain to help others through

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theirs.

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And I kind of several years ago said,

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if.

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We're gonna start being vulnerable

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and opening up, I want to be the one to lead

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the way. God blessed me with the ability to

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communicate, and I'm gonna start doing it. But

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I didn't fear it because I'm

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like and I fought in a cage, I've wrestled football

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players.

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I'm a bad soob. You've

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done the same thing.

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You've got a similar transformation, and

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I want you to tell the audience about that, but also

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tell me why, what prompted it, What gave you?

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I guess that the bravery to do that.

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Well, it wasn't so much bravery that started

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my journey, Jay was. It was good

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old fashioned pain. I was twenty

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nine, my father just passed

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away. One of my best childhood

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friends, Ronnie, had just passed away. And

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my peer was also my friend, but

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my collaborator of Ichi. It just passed

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away, and I remember looking

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in the mirror in West Hollywood

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and thinking that, like, is this

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it? You know? I played the game.

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I was twenty nine, and

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I played the game so well. I had millions of

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dollars, I've become famous, I

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had Grammy nominations,

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and something just felt so empty in my life,

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to the point where I was thinking, you

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know, if I killed myself,

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the world would be just fine. Like, I'm

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not sure I'm really adding anything here. That's

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not a nice story,

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but it's the beginning of a story.

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It's not an end, right, And

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so that's what started my journey. I

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decided right there, buddy, Yeah,

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I just I decided that year. Listen,

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I love this phrase. It is when

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the future is empty, the

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present is unbearable. When

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the future is empty, the present is unbearable.

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So if there's nothing in my future

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I look forward to, Yeah,

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this moment right now is gonna be pretty tough to get

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through. So I needed to put

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something in my future that a

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didn't make any sense right

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was was was gonna be something that shook

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me out of whatever hedonistic

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fever dream and trance I had fallen

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into, and I needed something that

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scared me, that was that was in my

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future and in a good way, and

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something that inspired me. And

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so I chose that year to

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walk across America on foot.

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I chose. I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna start

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on in the Atlantic Ocean Asbury,

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Partner, Jersey.

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That's why I was born.

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You're born in Asbury Parker or

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nept.

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To, which is next to it, but Josh, that's

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where I was born.

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Yep, oh way. And

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I said, I'm gonna just keep walking until I get to the other

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side. Now, you got to keep in mind,

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I'm twenty nine and I'm soft.

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Okay, I've accomplished a lot, but

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I got soft little

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piano hands right from

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being in the studio. My whole life

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at that point is designed for me to

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be the most comfortable. I

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got a spider web of agents and managers

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assistants around me just doing everything

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I want. So for me to say, hey, I want

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to make my life uncomfortable. You

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know, it's not my walk across

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America is not special. Ten to fifteen people

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do it every year, but none of those people

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walked away from what I walked away from which

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was what everybody else wants. Fame,

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adoration, money, attention

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from the opposite sex, right, everything

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that we all dream of. I had and it didn't

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work. So I said to try something

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else. So I put this thing in my future,

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this goal of walking across America, because

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I said, dude, the current version of me

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who's living in this West Hollywood

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guesthouse can't do it. For

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me to get to the other side, I'm

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going to have to become a new human being.

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I'm not tough enough right now. I know I can't

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do it. So this

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goal, if I can achieve it, is going to

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obliterate all my other goal. It's going to make me a

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new human being. I don't know how I'm

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going to do it, but I'm going to figure it out

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and I'm not going to stop until

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I do it. And so this is the

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gift now of putting

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something compelling in the future, what

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I call a soul goal, not just like,

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hey, you know, I want to increase revenue ten

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percent. It's not a soul goal.

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Is like, I don't know if I can do this, but if

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I can pull it off, it would change everything.

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That's this old goal and it scares me. So

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the benefit of a soul

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goal is that it can reach back. This

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thing in the future, can reach back from

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the future and imbue

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the present moments suffering with

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meaning. Right, As a Nietzsche

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said, he who has a why can

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overcome almost anyhow, Right.

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So, if I know why I'm doing what I'm doing, then

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there's nothing that can stop me. Most

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people get it backwards. They start trying to figure out

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how First, give me the top ten tricks, give

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me the thing. But if you know why you're doing

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it those tricks, you can throw all

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those tricks out the window.

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You know, it's the first first color and coaching

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might have been give them a why, don't just tell them do

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it?

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Why are they doing it like this? Absolutely?

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Yeah, that's right. And if they know, hey,

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what are we working for? Working for a championship?

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And then we know that's why I'm

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doing two a days right now. And does

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it suck, Yes, it sucks, but I know why it

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sucks. And in the future, just

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the chance of it happening is

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so glorious and so beautiful

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and so inspiring to me that I

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am now willing to overcome

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this stuff that I'm in right now, because

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suffering is part of life absolutely,

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and you know this, but maybe your audience,

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you know they're young or whatever, it's coming.

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There's could be moments. No one gets out of this thing

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unscathed without being challenged in a very

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real way, whether it's emotionally, spiritually,

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physically. And so we have

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to give ourselves the gift of

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a why and a sole goal, and

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then we can we can overcome anything.

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What Mike is saying, also, I think people

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kind of they kind of back away from those

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hard things. You have to realize adversity is a

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gift. You got heaven and you have earth.

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This ain't heaven that we're living. You're gonna have problems.

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There's no godbooks, there's no Mic posters and Jay

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Glazers. When you have the good times, it's

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for bad times. You don't need helping the good times.

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You just need the bad times. And that's really the

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key to life of how to get over those uncomfortable

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situations. But for you to put yourself

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in the most uncomfortable situation is

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that I want to go and do something that would never think about.

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Leave it all behind.

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I'm gonna walk across America, continue

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to take us on your journey keep walking those walk with

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those.

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Well, part of the jay was the opposite.

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You know, I was at this point you said, I'm

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a badass, will be. I've fought in the cages. So

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I was now thirty. I'm twenty

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nine that year. By the time, you know, it's like,

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I'm thirty years old, and I

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I said, I'm not a bad us so be. You

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know, like, I've accomplished a lot in my artistry,

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but there's something about the way,

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there's something about the way I interface it with

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the world that I know I'm not a man yet, and

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I know I'm not gonna become that by having even

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more success.

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Our wallets are not antidepressants.

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It's a hard lesson, a learned when you

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when you realize it, right, Mike, Like, oh,

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if I was rich and famous, all my problems

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and my mental health issues would go. Wait, no, your

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mental health issues drove you to

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be that successful. But they don't.

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They're still there, that's right. And

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so I intuitively realized

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the point you just made that adversity is a gift

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and for me to grow, it wasn't gonna

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be to have another hit record. It

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was gonna be go do something really hard and

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hard in a way that it scares you. And

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when you like, it's hard to describe to human

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beings who never gone to this edge

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when you're on the edge of I'm

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doing something that matters to me so much,

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but I don't know if I can pull it off.

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You're on that edge, it's hard

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to describe. And even Jay like, I'm not

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even really on it right now. Right,

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It's like there's something about those

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moments in life that just change

9:31

everything. Colors, colors are brighter,

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right, It's like there's a tension in your body,

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but it's a good tension. There's like

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a stress in your body, but it's a good stress

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because I'm I'm having to summon

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for everything out of my being to

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even have a chance to do this one

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thing that I've decided matters. Right,

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And so I got on this journey and

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I start putting one foot in front of the other, and like any

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journey, it starts off, and you

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know, I'm doing interviews with CB yes,

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and it's getting attention, and I'm

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walking like ten miles a day. You know,

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in America's three thousand miles a wide, So

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at that pace, you know, I'd like finish somewhere,

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like you know, twenty eighty five or something,

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and I'm like, yeah, I remember saying to myself, like

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walking across America's easy, and

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I would eat those words, you know, because

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a month later, two months later, this

10:22

unbelievable pain that had surpassed

10:25

anything that can be achieved in

10:27

an equinox gym took over

10:29

my body, like like I wake up

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and I could barely stand up.

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Well, where were you sleeping during this?

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Yeah? I walked supported. So I

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had a friend and we had an RV and

10:41

that would go ahead of me each day, and I walked

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twenty four miles a day at the beginning,

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Like I said, I walked ten, but I built up so my average

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twenty four. I'd walk six days a week,

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and each night I'd sleep in this RV. And

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that's basically how we did it the entire

10:58

journey, except for the mountains

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or the Mahave Desert, those places

11:03

the argument couldn't go because we were

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walking a remote route, and

11:08

those places we'd sleep in the tent. And

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after a few months it

11:13

became unbearable. I

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mean, the pain was just unlike anything

11:17

I ever experienced, to

11:19

the point where I remember

11:22

being in Kansas

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and I was on this remote dirt road and

11:28

my body just I guess it was overheating

11:30

to some unsafe degree. And

11:33

I remember having thoughts that seemed like they

11:35

were coming from out. I don't know if you ever got to this point

11:37

in your training or you think you have a thought, but

11:39

it feels like it came from out, so almost like

11:41

you heard it from outside. I would

11:43

say like, hey, look at that squirrel, and I

11:45

go who said that? I was like, uh

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oh, like I'm not doing so good

11:49

out here, and then I realized,

11:52

like I'm not moving. Every time I

11:55

have a kind of a thought tangent like that, or as my

11:57

feet stopped, and I remember turning

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around looking at looking behind me, and

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usually there were these footprints

12:03

behind me, a couple of feet between each

12:05

footprint from where I had taken steps.

12:08

But on that day I looked back and there was a ski track

12:11

like my feet were dragging, and

12:13

it was like to the point where almost like I pick up

12:15

each foot with my with my hands

12:18

and then that's the physical

12:21

part, but then the mind latches onto

12:23

that and goes, dude, you're not even halfway.

12:26

How are you gonna do the Rocky mountains. If you're already

12:28

this messed up, how you can do how he does.

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If you're already this messed up. If

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you're this messed up here, now

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multiply this pain by two or three.

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That's how it's going to be a two three. So my mind would

12:40

start to do this to me. Wow, and

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it was just nothing but fear, because I thought,

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well, I don't want to

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quit, but my body's gonna make me quit. My

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mind was saying that for my body. Right

12:53

My body hadn't quit, but my mind was saying,

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hey, hey, like all these wild stories.

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And so I learned patience.

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I'm saying, these are the thoughts you're having right now

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on this day. But tomorrow maybe

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you need to drink some water, maybe you eat some food,

13:10

then you need to sleep, see how you feel tomorrow.

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And so these these moments,

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right these the mind can create

13:17

these stories saying, hey, you're gonna feel like

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this in two months. You're gonna it doesn't know how

13:21

you're gonna feel. This is even how you're gonna feel in twenty

13:24

minutes. Dude, I had a moment fifteen

13:26

minutes ago before you start speaking, where I was upset

13:28

about some I'm not upset now, you

13:31

know. And so I learned this patience

13:34

that we're always in a state,

13:37

right, and life is really your states,

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right if you're may and everyone

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has a home based state, right.

13:44

My home base before I did this journey was

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depression and sadness and cynicism.

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And that's not to say I

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don't ever experience those emotions

13:54

now, but they are no longer my home base.

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My home base now is joy, gratitude,

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faith. Now I go visit

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negative lands sometimes I'm not gonna lie,

14:03

but I don't live there anymore.

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I love that, And so man,

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I love that.

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I love that so much, right there, dude, I love it

14:10

so much, and it's such a great that

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smacked me across the face.

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I love that. I appreciate that. I'm grateful for that.

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Yeah, you got it, and so I

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think you lived that right, and so at

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least that's how you show up to me.

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But I used to talk. I talk

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in my life as gray and blue. I

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live in the gray, and the gray is the shit. It's

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the depression of the anxiety, the bipolar, the HD,

14:31

the negativity, the.

14:33

Bad self talk. That was my home

14:35

base.

14:36

That was my you know, that's what

14:38

I know my baseline, and the blue for me was like

14:40

hey this, you know, the chirping birds

14:42

and the and the sun and all that.

14:44

I just never it's just not

14:46

my world.

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And because I've started to have conversations

14:49

with guys like you and open up like this, I

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seen some streets of blue now and.

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Now it's kind of even further.

14:55

I've cracked it, and same thing I'm

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I would say, I'm probably tooth herds

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in the blue, one third in the gray.

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But it doesn't it visits me now.

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It's not, it's not it's not my captor.

15:06

You know what he called persons two thirds in

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the blue, one in the gray, fucking

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winning and the enlightened motherfucking

15:13

person winning.

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You are right from a guy who was ninety

15:16

nine in the fucking gray.

15:17

Yes, but like you said, it's a lot of fucking

15:20

work. It didn't happen. This is five years

15:22

after for me, right, it's a lifetime

15:24

of therapy. But five years since I've really opened up,

15:26

and the opening up part has allowed me to have

15:28

conversations like this. And like you and I, if

15:30

we met years ago, we wouldn't have these conversations.

15:33

I would tell you what I did in the NFL. You probably tell

15:35

them what you did as a performer, and you

15:37

know we do that shit. This is you know,

15:39

this turns you go from friends to brothers,

15:41

which is cool.

15:42

Yeah, that's the blue, that's

15:45

the blue.

15:45

That's the continue man, keep going.

15:47

This was this, This was like really it. You know,

15:49

I could spend two hours on this walk.

15:51

But this is like life teaching. Yep,

15:54

this moment going. Life

15:57

is your states, right, So,

15:59

like you said, if you have a dominant

16:02

state of depressed or cynical, I

16:05

don't care if you make a billion dollars or you

16:07

win ten NFL championships or thirteen

16:09

Grammys or all three of them. Your

16:11

life is depressed and cynical, and

16:14

I don't want to trade places with you. Right.

16:17

So the game that you and I both

16:19

realized, Hey, we were playing the wrong game. We won

16:22

the external game, but we

16:25

were promised that the internal state would

16:27

follow if we won that, and it didn't do, so

16:29

then we start playing the internal game. Now,

16:31

hey, is to play both? Can you play both? Right?

16:34

But the internal game is your states,

16:37

your moods. The mood is a mode of

16:39

beings, and you can change your

16:42

moods. You can change your states

16:44

not to be perfect, right. Can't

16:46

live in happy, go lucky all the time,

16:49

nor should you wouldn't be healthy, right, But

16:52

you can change your home base, you can change your default.

16:55

So I learned that in this moment that

16:57

hey, I feel jacked up right now, but

17:00

I'm gonna just wait. I'm not gonna quit

17:02

in this moment. I want to quit right now. I'm

17:05

gonna do nothing. I'm gonna finish this day.

17:08

I somehow did the rest of my twenty

17:10

four miles, and I did somebody

17:13

I didn't do the whole rest of the journey. I said,

17:15

I'll take two days off. I'm gonna

17:17

take two days off. I'm gonna eat, I'm gonna

17:19

drink. I can see if I can find somebody in

17:21

Kansas to rub my feet, you know, and

17:23

like get a massage, and

17:26

then I'll reassess. But

17:28

right now, clearly I need some water. Clearly

17:31

I need you know, So let me do that first.

17:34

Just be patient. And so this is

17:36

a life lesson. Right, you feel angry,

17:38

you know in a relationship doesn't mean you should leave.

17:40

The relationship means you need to change

17:43

your state, right, And so

17:45

we could take action, and most

17:47

of us I suspect you

17:49

and the people listening. I make stuff

17:51

happen. Right. We don't need SOMEONNNA

17:54

get us motivated, but we need to

17:56

be motivated from a place of

17:59

abundance, from the right frequency.

18:01

Are we taking the calls to like do the sales

18:03

but we're actually like kind of pissed off while we're doing this,

18:05

or it's not even a fact. Right. We need

18:07

to be from the frequency of love and

18:10

then take the action. So my frequency

18:12

was all jacked up. I learned change

18:14

the frequency first, then

18:16

you can make the decision. They don't ever

18:18

make a decision from fear, And

18:20

so I did just that. I took the days and

18:23

I said, all right, you know I was a

18:25

messed up day. But isn't

18:28

that why I started? Didn't

18:30

I start this because I want to experience

18:32

pain like I've never felt before, feel

18:35

that pain, and then decide to keep going. It

18:38

isn't this the whole freaking point. Didn't

18:40

I say I was going to walk across America no matter

18:43

what. Wasn't that my commitment? And

18:45

now I have one crazy day

18:48

I'm thinking about quick No, I

18:50

am going to go back on that road.

18:52

I'm going to keep going and That's what I

18:54

did. I went back to the spot, I took a step.

18:56

I took a step, and the adversity wasn't over

18:59

that. I almost lost my life. A month later, you

19:01

know, I got bit by a poisonous rattlesnake,

19:04

and that put me in the hospital, and I went through the

19:06

same exercise going, hey,

19:08

I have every reason to quit right now. In

19:10

fact, I have such a good reason to quit right I

19:12

got bit by a poisonous snake.

19:15

I was gonna ask you this when I saw you in Vegas and you're

19:18

out in the middle of how do you It's

19:20

not like this rattlesnake could creep up on you.

19:22

How did you get bit?

19:23

I think I creeped up on it.

19:25

Jay.

19:26

You know, they say there's only two ways to get bit by

19:28

a rattlesnake. On one to

19:30

surprise it, and the other the

19:32

other is to be messing with it, to

19:34

be like antagonizing it. So

19:37

I wasn't antagonizing it, but I

19:39

just felt the bite on my left ankle.

19:41

Which So, were you on a remote road?

19:44

Yeah, I was in the remote road Colorado ten,

19:47

which is a state highway, so the too

19:50

highway probably miles you know, speed

19:52

limits probably fifty to seventy miles per hour.

19:54

There's no shoulder on that road. It's dangerous,

19:56

freaking roll and really high grass and a

20:00

bunch of rattlesnakes like I've been. A

20:02

guy actually warned me that day be

20:04

careful of rattlesnakes out here. He

20:06

saw me walk on side the rope. Oh yeah,

20:09

pull his f one fifty over and goes, you know where you are?

20:11

I go, yeah, I do, because you're not far you are from.

20:13

The Next time, I said, yeah, I do, but I gotta support

20:15

vehicle up ahead and goes, okay, you need water.

20:18

No, I got water, thank you. He goes

20:20

all right, He starts driving away, hits

20:22

the brakes, pulls back. One

20:24

more thing. Yeah, be careful

20:26

with snakes. Copy that no

20:30

flash colored. Three four hours later, there's

20:32

a snake with his fangs in my left leg and

20:35

uh and it rattled afterwards.

20:37

Dude, So I guess I surprised

20:40

it. I maybe even step on it. You know, I didn't.

20:43

I never saw it with my eyes, felt

20:45

it, and I hurt after it bit me. It rattled,

20:47

and so I felt it and I heard it, and it changed

20:49

my life forever because it

20:52

crystallized this,

20:54

this concept that you brought to the conversation

20:57

and that I'm just expounding upon, which

20:59

is your verse as a gift that

21:01

gave me adversity that I didn't really want.

21:04

You know, my legs swelled to the size of an elfant

21:06

trunk. I spent three nights in the ICU,

21:09

five in the hospital, and

21:13

I made the same decision as I did in Kansas,

21:15

which was, yeah, I know I got

21:17

a reason to quit. I know that everyone

21:19

around me, you know, like it's

21:22

weird to say this because like, these are my best friends,

21:24

but none of them understood what I was doing, none

21:27

of them. None of them knew the warrior

21:30

that had been unearthed inside

21:32

me. And they all expected

21:35

my family too. They loved me, the

21:37

most important people in my life, but they expected me

21:39

to quit.

21:40

They expect to be a cute stumping you'll be

21:42

right.

21:42

Back, yeah, which is usually a

21:44

reflection of other human beings.

21:46

Made me have what they would do in that situation.

21:49

But I was en who you used to be. But

21:51

it's a great lesson that you don't always have to

21:54

be right.

21:55

It takes a fraction a second to decide

21:58

to change who you're going to

22:00

that's it and you got it.

22:02

I take another thing, Jay, is most people

22:04

I would talk to from the music industry

22:07

that weren't really my friend. Guy said, you know, give

22:09

you a text every four to six months.

22:12

I get.

22:12

I get my every four to six months, twice

22:15

a year text from these guys. They go, what's up,

22:17

man? Like you want to come to the studio next week? I go,

22:20

no, dude, like I'm I'm

22:22

in Illinois or I'm in I'm in Kansas.

22:24

They go, what are you doing out there? I said, I

22:26

told you the last time we speak, I was going to walk

22:28

across America. And they'd write back to

22:30

me and go, yeah, I remember that. I didn't think you

22:33

were actually gonna do it, right,

22:35

So I tell you something right there about who I used to.

22:37

Be beautiful too for you were like, hey,

22:39

I am transforming.

22:40

I'm seeing other people through their eyes

22:43

like whoa. I didn't think he was going to do it,

22:45

And I'm becoming the person I want to be. That's beautiful.

22:48

And so it was just another opportunity with the

22:50

snake bite to do that exact thing. Everyone

22:52

expects me to quit, and I

22:55

got a really good reason to quit. In fact, such a

22:57

good reason to quit. Quit. Most people

22:59

won't even think I'm.

23:00

Now will quit if given an outside

23:03

reason. Right, well, this

23:05

happened to me.

23:05

So I can't overcome it, that's right

23:08

more.

23:08

That's even more.

23:08

Mental toughness to say it was something

23:11

I didn't expect. And even

23:13

something like that, which is one in a million, how

23:15

are you supposed to overcome it?

23:16

It's your choice.

23:18

I like to look at it as like flip it even

23:20

further on its head, like how

23:24

cool would it be? I

23:26

did overcome it, like this really isn't

23:29

And that became the gift because like I

23:32

now get the opportunity, thank

23:34

God for the snake bike, I now get the opportunity

23:37

to be the man that got bit by

23:39

a snake, almost lost

23:41

his foot and then walked one

23:43

thousand more miles. Why

23:45

because I said I was.

23:47

Going to love that sort.

23:48

I love that story, and that

23:51

was a gift because it reverberates

23:54

in my life to this day. Because

23:57

I have challenges in my life.

23:59

They come up emotional challenges, challenges

24:02

and relationships, challenges, in business,

24:04

challenges in my body I

24:07

have. My life is a string of challenges.

24:10

But I now know not

24:13

from affirmation or

24:15

from prayer, but from history

24:19

that I overcome every challenge that's

24:23

not aspirational. That's my identity

24:25

now because of this snake bite,

24:28

and there have been more challenges and that's just

24:30

what happens. And so my life

24:32

is not without suffering now. But

24:34

I know if I do

24:38

a comparison from

24:40

when I was twenty nine thirty looking

24:43

in that mirror to now, if

24:45

I have a challenge, or I have a tough day, or

24:47

I feel if I'm in the gray, as

24:49

you say, I now know I

24:51

am not depressed. I may

24:53

feel depressed in this moment,

24:56

I am not depressed. Who I am the truth

24:58

of who I am a warrior. I never give

25:00

up. I overcome every challenge. I am

25:03

joy, I am faith, I am love. I'm

25:05

a man of gratitude. I'm a man of generosity.

25:08

That is my truth. And there's this moment

25:10

right now maybe I'm doubting or I'm doubting this

25:12

thing and I feel overwhelmed. That's okay,

25:15

because I now know patience, and

25:18

I know tomorrow I'm

25:20

not gonna be in this emotional state. I'm gonna be in a

25:22

different one because that's what I do every

25:24

time I'm challenged and so we

25:27

have the opportunity. It starts

25:29

it starts off aspirational,

25:31

right, that's what prayer is. You know, I went to

25:33

church a couple of months ago, and we

25:36

sing these worship songs. You know, God,

25:38

I give everything to you, I lay it down on your feet.

25:40

Right, what are they saying? Worship songs like? You

25:42

know, it's all aspirational,

25:45

and the pastor came up after

25:47

he goes. You know, we sing these songs because we know at

25:49

some level we aren't

25:51

that. We aren't that yet that's

25:53

what we want to be. So it starts off

25:56

saying it to yourself, brainwashing it to you, the writing

25:58

in the journal, I'm gonna walk

26:00

across America no matter what. And

26:03

then we get these opportunities that God

26:05

gives us, like you said, adversities

26:07

a gift or life gives us. And

26:09

then we have the opportunity to

26:12

change them from aspirational to real.

26:14

That's my life. It's taking these

26:17

wild things or these things that

26:20

maybe something the wildest challenges in my life

26:22

right now don't seem wild

26:24

to other people. There's some normal thing that I skipped

26:26

over, right, like like being

26:29

a good partner to my girl, right,

26:32

like being a good Son. Right, this is

26:34

some of the things I skipped over my twenties. You

26:36

because I was so concerned with being great. Sometimes

26:38

I forgot to be good. So

26:41

uh, some of my some

26:44

of my like walks across

26:46

America now are things that seem simple to other people,

26:48

but they're big things for me. I take

26:50

I take no over in my journal. Go do two

26:53

years ago? You want to offer to help

26:55

your mom with that? Two years ago? You

26:57

want to You want to have been thinking about the other human

26:59

being right there in that moment. And I celebrate

27:02

myself because the culture

27:07

rewards you for the wrong things. And

27:09

you and I both have seen people get rewarded,

27:12

maybe they get a lot of material success who

27:15

aren't good people, and

27:17

sometimes they get there the wrong So the culture, sometimes

27:21

the world we live in sometimes rewards

27:24

human beings for doing the wrong thing.

27:28

And people ask me about that, and I go, I don't

27:30

know why good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to

27:32

good people.

27:32

But I don't try and figure life out.

27:34

The point I want to make on this because

27:37

on one level, you're right, it's not our job, that's

27:39

God's job on it. But for ourselves,

27:42

right, we have to reward ourselves

27:44

when we have this. Like the other day I

27:47

did a I had a call I have I

27:51

to do it. This is an example of my point. I'm a tight end,

27:53

don't worry. So the other day

27:55

I do this. I have this community

27:58

called Inner Bloom and I do We do a call every week

28:00

we talk about stuff like this and I work with people

28:02

one on one and we pray and

28:05

we do breath work. That's what we do. Do it once

28:07

a week. It's free. It's on Zoom, so anyone

28:09

listeners can join. And

28:12

I had this amazing call. I had this interaction

28:14

with this this person, and I

28:16

could tell I made a difference and I felt really

28:19

like touched that I got

28:21

used to help somebody else and I hung

28:23

with the car. I felt incredible. Let's call it.

28:25

I always feel incredible. Like my favorite part of the week,

28:28

I was staying in my mom's and I

28:31

was leaving the next day. And my mom's

28:33

seventy years old. She lives alone. She's a widow.

28:35

My father passed away seven years ago. And

28:38

I just thought about her. I go, she's gonna be alone

28:41

when I leave her. And

28:44

she's seventy. So I just said, I said that to

28:46

a cost of Mom, what do you need help with? Like,

28:50

do you need to pick anything up? Move anything? She

28:52

goes, yeah, actually, I want to turn the mattress.

28:55

You know, I turn the mattress, right, So I help

28:57

her with that, and you know, like, and it

28:59

was just a little It sounds so stupid, but I

29:01

knew three years ago I wouldn't

29:03

after that, And

29:05

so I write that my journal.

29:08

And the point is I celebrate

29:10

that myself. I give

29:13

myself credit. I don't wait

29:15

for the world or life because she might not

29:17

say thank you. She did say thank you, but in

29:19

some other examples she might not say thank you. She might

29:21

say fuck you.

29:22

You know, you never know. You don't

29:24

need a new record deal to reward you

29:26

this.

29:27

I need to reward me for the growing

29:29

in the area that I have chosen. I want to grow

29:31

them. And so we can't depend

29:34

on the culture to do that for other people,

29:36

yes, it's in God's hands, but for us, we

29:38

have to take some sovereignty over our own lives.

29:40

Reward ourselves when we do these things that matter

29:43

to us well, and give

29:45

ourselves a little pain, not a lot of pain. Don't beat

29:47

yourself up, but enough pain when we don't

29:50

do them that. Hey, we move over there

29:53

then, so then we're living a life on

29:55

our terms. That's sovereignty.

29:58

You're Ral's thanks

30:00

story kind of reminds me of the son. I always tell people

30:02

to be proud of your scars, and

30:04

you know, everybody kind of leaves with their highlights. I always

30:07

leave with my scars. I would tell people how fucked up I

30:09

am? Oh man, you know I'm You know, I've

30:11

had twelve ruptures in my back

30:14

and six of my deck, and I have depression

30:16

anxiety HD have broken this nose seven times.

30:19

And I don't ever lead.

30:20

With you know it was m Bowlers for

30:22

five years, or I'm gonna TV Hall of Fame. I don't

30:24

ever fucking lead with that. I always lead with how

30:26

fucked up I am. And if you go and look at your story,

30:28

same thing, you know which

30:31

ones I want people to realize this which

30:33

is more rewarding intriguing.

30:36

A guy who's a big music story says he I'm

30:39

gonna go and walk across America. Or

30:43

a guy gets spit by round of snake in the middle of nowhere

30:45

and walks another one hundred thousand miles.

30:48

That's the story.

30:49

I want to see that's right.

30:50

I don't think I make it right.

30:52

That's the story, and just that little shift

30:54

that's being proud of your scars, and

30:56

that's that's.

30:58

The shift we need to make. Dude. I love

31:00

that. I love that you hit that.

31:01

That's my favorite people that do that. And

31:04

that's probably why I love you so much,

31:06

you know. And it's like, we talked

31:08

about this a little. I can't remember we were

31:10

recording already or not, but

31:13

you talked about how you change the name of the show

31:15

from mental health mental

31:17

wealth, the wealth because so much of this, you

31:19

know, I shy away from that word to mental

31:22

health because mental health is for a lot of people

31:24

just means complaining right right

31:26

right, right right. And the rattlesnake

31:29

story, the scars story,

31:32

for the depression anxiety story for Jay

31:34

is a beautiful story. If it's the first

31:36

chapter, should have overcome correct

31:39

or if it's chapter three. But if it's

31:41

the last chapter of your book, it's not so so

31:44

mental Wealth is saying, hey, I'm

31:47

sharing this stuff with you today. Jay's

31:49

sharing this stuff with you, leading with the

31:51

scars to show you

31:53

you can change the ship. You

31:55

can't overcome, you have more agency in

31:58

your life, over your life than you realize. We

32:00

all do we all do? You

32:02

have autonomy over your moods? You have autonomy

32:05

over your body, of autonomy over your

32:07

mind. Even if you read Victor frankel

32:09

Man Search for Meaning, Even if you lose autonomy

32:12

over all those things, this man wrote this

32:14

book from a concentration camp, Nazi concentration

32:17

camp. He said, even if you lose all

32:19

of those things, where you have no more

32:21

choices, you have no autonomy over

32:23

your body, where it is no autonomy

32:26

over your food, you're starving, He said,

32:28

you can still when everything's

32:30

been taken from the external world, you

32:32

can still choose to deal with your suffering

32:34

in a dignified way, and that can never be

32:37

taken from you. This is a man who is having

32:39

God experiences in Nazi concentration

32:41

camp, as his body fell apart, as every

32:43

member of his family was killed, as he looked

32:46

outside and felt more connected to his wife than

32:48

he ever felt, and she was already dead, but you didn't know it

32:50

yet. This is so

32:52

I read this, I gole, what's my excuse? Today?

32:55

You know what's my excuse? We

32:57

have autonomy over our lives and

33:01

every moment that we're given is a

33:03

gift. Whether it's a beautiful moment

33:05

it's an invitation to celebrate, or

33:07

a challenging moment, it's an invitation to grow

33:10

where here is human beings, and

33:13

it's a privilege to share

33:15

this moment. And no one can take away that privilege

33:18

from you except yourself.

33:20

Take us through the end of the journey. I do want you to take us through the end

33:22

of the journey.

33:22

That's the end of the joy. I mean, after the snake

33:25

bite, I knew nothing could stop me. That

33:27

was the gift. It was like I went not

33:30

the snake bite, but choosing to go back.

33:32

Then I hit the Rocky mountains. So

33:35

I went up the Rocky mountains, I went down

33:37

the other side. When I was coming down

33:40

the other side, I go, dude,

33:42

I am so much stronger than I

33:44

thought I was before I started this journey.

33:47

I was like, yeah, I heard this story about

33:51

there's a Buddhist monastery

33:54

and a monk is walking around the monastery

33:57

and there's a clay statue of the Buddha,

34:00

this big clay statue, and they walk around

34:02

it every day and they do their prostrations

34:05

and their rituals, and

34:07

one day he's walking around, he notices there's a crack

34:10

in the clay and the statue and he goes

34:12

to look at and there's like light coming out of the crack.

34:16

What is this? And he's just examining. The other

34:18

monks come look and examine it, and as they look closer,

34:20

they realize this clay

34:23

statue is not it's

34:26

gold underneath. It was

34:28

covered by clay hundreds of years ago

34:30

because there were invaders coming and they didn't want

34:32

the invaders to see how valuable it was.

34:34

And they start to very

34:36

carefully peel off and take

34:39

the clay off of this Buddhist

34:41

statue. And it's a gold statue

34:45

that's each one of us underneath

34:48

the story of who we've told ourselves

34:50

we are is a version of ourselves

34:53

that's impossibly beautiful, beyond

34:55

recognition. And so me

34:58

doing this journey was me take some

35:00

chips. And I'm still doing that, right, We're

35:02

all still It was me taking a little

35:05

clay off that statue. And

35:07

as I got bit by the snake, I

35:09

chose not to quit. I took a little clayoff

35:11

or some more goal and as I went

35:14

up into the rocky mountains, after more

35:16

clayoff, and then I went down on

35:18

the other side of the rocket, took a little more clayoff, and I

35:20

realized, dude, like I can

35:22

do anything because I

35:24

now choose to walk into adversity.

35:27

I choose adversity. Other

35:29

people run. I used to run from adversity.

35:32

My life became really small. I started running to adversity,

35:34

and my life became really big. So

35:37

I just kept putting one foot after the other.

35:40

I kept taking steps until I walked across Colorado.

35:43

I kept taking steps until I walked across Navajo

35:45

Nation. Had a spiritual experience

35:47

there again to that I could

35:49

come back on the show. Walk

35:52

across Arizona, I kept taking steps.

35:54

I walked across the Mojave Desert. I

35:56

kept taking steps. I walked into California.

35:58

People started texting me, congratulations, you

36:00

did it. I remember, like fuy, I didn't do shit. I

36:03

just made it to California, got three hundred more miles.

36:06

They don't know, like you

36:09

know, I'm not done. I kept taking steps

36:11

until I walked into la I kept thinking steps

36:13

so Hollywood, sunds am I right, kept taking steps.

36:15

The pavement turned in the sand. My walk turned into

36:17

a sprint. After six months and three

36:20

days, two eight hundred and fifty one miles.

36:22

I think something like six point zero

36:24

one million steps. I dove

36:26

into the Pacific Ocean and

36:30

in that moment, the waves

36:32

are washing over me. For

36:38

over a year, I've been dreaming of the moment

36:40

I was now inhabiting, and

36:44

every time I dreamed about it, I expected to feel

36:47

accomplishment, as

36:49

if I had completed something that really

36:52

mattered. But

36:55

when I got into the actual moment, where it was

36:58

physically in that world,

37:02

the sun is shining down on me, and some of my loved

37:04

ones are on the beach waiting for me to come back

37:06

in, I didn't feel accomplishment.

37:09

I felt somebody didn't

37:11

expect to feel. I felt possibility,

37:15

almost like all the colors

37:17

on my canvas had been white,

37:20

clean, blank canvas,

37:22

Like if I did this, I

37:25

can't do anything.

37:26

You can paint anything.

37:28

That's right, and so it was. It

37:31

felt it felt like

37:33

the first day of my life.

37:35

Wow, that is

37:38

that makes you the richest guy?

37:40

I know. I

37:43

feel like that.

37:44

That is amazing.

37:45

Man.

37:46

I realized that is amazing.

37:48

So now I'm gonna back in because let me

37:50

tell everybody how I first met Mike and he didn't know

37:52

this until just now.

37:53

So I first met Mike.

37:55

The forty nine Ers are playing the

37:57

Chiefs at the Super Bowl in Vegas last

38:00

year. John Lynch aka

38:02

forty seven read good good friend of mine. I

38:04

got him a room at Delilah so he could

38:07

have a little party, and he's like, Jay, you got to come

38:09

see this guy. I'm bringing my friend, Mike

38:11

Posner. And he's like, dude, this guy came

38:14

and he did breath work with the team

38:16

and all these players start crying and I'm

38:18

like, hey, my poster.

38:20

Isn't he like a singer. He's like no,

38:22

No, He's so much more than that.

38:25

He's like, yeah, these guys crying

38:27

and everybody and

38:29

I saw you, you know, tell this story and seeing

38:31

that night with the forty nine ers, and

38:34

I go and call I want a Jim, call

38:36

them breakable and holding about unbreakable

38:38

is you? It was a community, you know, it was more

38:41

of a mental health place than a gym, because

38:43

it was about being connected and

38:45

pushing your breaking points and pushing your breaking

38:47

points and pushing your breaking points, everything else

38:49

gets easier, exactly what you're talking

38:51

about. And my head coach, there was

38:53

a guy named Jason Borbo, who man, I hired

38:55

this guy ten years ago, making

38:58

twenty four grand a year to sweet

39:00

floors and mop floors and basically sleep

39:02

there. And that was like kind of the right of a

39:05

passage for a fighter. Back then, he and I were fight

39:07

teammates, and he's gone

39:09

on to now be an owner of Unbreakable

39:13

Barner, one of the best friends I've ever had

39:15

in my life.

39:16

But we were training a lot of these stars in the road.

39:18

He's training Demi Levado and Nick Jonas on the road

39:20

and he calls me up. He says, Hey, I'm

39:23

training this other guy. I'm not charging

39:25

him, like me not charging him And he's

39:27

like, no, trust me, I'm not charging this guy. He's

39:29

like, you, man, he's trying

39:31

to change himself so he could change the world.

39:34

And I was like, what do I say there?

39:37

So when I called Borba to tell him

39:40

about my experience with the forty nine ers,

39:43

he was like, dude.

39:44

That's the same guy.

39:46

That's the guy that we didn't

39:48

charge him, Like, oh my god,

39:51

And it really is.

39:52

It's you were trying to change yourself

39:54

so you could change the world.

39:56

And that's what I've kind of realized in this journey too, like I

39:58

realized I want to tie I let on

40:00

out mind body, spirit journey, and like I did the

40:02

Buddies things where I really kind of got

40:04

deep at the universe. It was almost like God

40:06

in the universe were talking to me, going, hey, no one was against

40:09

you. We just needed you feel this pain

40:11

so you could help others through theirs. And

40:13

at the same time, we need you to see all

40:16

your other dreams came shrew during

40:19

the process so we could keep you afloat.

40:22

That's what I got.

40:23

And wow, so I

40:26

had this anger and resentment, and all of a sudden,

40:28

I'm like you looked at it that way.

40:30

You're right, like you're talking about looking

40:32

at your life in a different way. You're right. All

40:34

my dreams did come true.

40:35

The journey was hard, but that's what you and I were talking

40:37

about, these hard roads.

40:39

You know, it's not all paved.

40:41

There are rattlesnakes, you

40:43

know, there are mountains to go up and down, and

40:47

then the pot of.

40:48

Gold, the end, the rainbow.

40:48

For us is just to keep walking

40:51

that but one foot, one foot

40:53

in place the other man.

40:54

It's such a beautiful story.

40:56

Man.

40:56

I am so honored that you came on with us.

41:00

Really cool.

41:00

I know it's a long time time we've been trying to put this together,

41:02

man, but this, for me was

41:05

probably my favorite sit down on a Bret. Oh.

41:08

That means a lot to me, And thank

41:10

you so much for the opportunity. I knew it was gonna

41:12

be beautiful to share space. I feel, I

41:14

feel like always I got

41:16

to hear you speak more.

41:18

But uh, I

41:20

read, I have one.

41:22

More question for it because I asked, every ask

41:24

every guest, give me an unbreakable moment,

41:27

and that is the moment that should

41:29

have broken you. Might have already said the

41:31

moment that should have broken you in life and didn't, and

41:33

as a result, you came through the other side of

41:35

that tunnel stronger forever.

41:37

I think the snake, but it was definitely one of them.

41:39

I had another one, you know, after

41:41

I this is like a tale for another time.

41:44

But after I got out

41:46

of that ocean and I felt that possibility,

41:48

decided something else to

41:51

push my own boundaries, right like you said at

41:53

the gym, and so I chose to

41:55

climb Mount Everest and

41:59

that was a lot longer journey. Actually took a year

42:01

and a half to prepare for and when I got

42:03

there, it was that camp to Mount Everest and

42:07

there was an avalanche and the air blast

42:09

from the avalanche hit our tent and

42:13

ripped the tent open. Snow was funneling

42:16

in, and I didn't think I

42:18

was gonna die. I just knew I was dead. It

42:22

was like my worst night mare. I'd read about stuff like

42:24

this, and I knew the risk was about

42:26

one percent death rate, and I was comfortable

42:28

with that. I was like, I'm in the one percent, like

42:31

this is it. And magically

42:33

the blast subsided

42:36

before it causing damage

42:38

to us. And there was another moment

42:40

where I either just go down or

42:44

keep going up, and I

42:46

chose to continue climbing

42:48

the mountain. And I summitted the mountain two days

42:51

later, and I wept on that

42:53

summit because there

42:55

were voices inside me telling me not to

42:57

do it, and I did it, and they would pull

42:59

it off, get down safely, most

43:01

importantly, and it was just

43:03

it was just it was the same lesson I've been talking about.

43:05

It's like, you're stronger than anything,

43:08

stronger than anything, don't judge yourself too early,

43:11

keep going and you will be amazed

43:13

by what life and God haveing stuff for

43:15

you, Mike, my brother.

43:17

Thank you so much. Man.

43:18

Look you've changed me today. It transformed

43:21

me today. I know you're others out

43:23

there. You've done the same thing again.

43:25

Inner Bloom. How do people go to your community inter bloom?

43:28

Yeah, just some go to Mike posn dot com.

43:31

There's a there's a free album inside

43:34

there have my music that

43:36

doesn't exist anywhere else. And more

43:38

importantly, it's just a community of people were

43:40

having conversations like this and

43:42

not you know, we do the zoom calls once a week.

43:44

They're also totally free. The whole thing's free.

43:47

But beyond that, on a daily basis,

43:50

people are sharing their challenges and their

43:52

wins and doing this on a

43:54

daily basis. So it's not like social media

43:56

where people are you know, every comment

43:58

in One comment might be nice, other one tears you

44:00

down, and everyone's making fun of you, and it's all This

44:02

is a this is a community of transformation. So

44:04

we called a space for miracles and

44:07

transformation to take place. And

44:09

so you know, as you know, you get you down

44:11

this path of changing your life, trying to

44:13

change yourself so you can change the world. Like you said,

44:16

that can be a lonely path, you know, because

44:18

the people in your immediate surroundings may

44:20

not be on that path, and so we're just

44:22

collecting people on that path so they cannot be

44:24

alone.

44:25

That's it, count me and brother Mike.

44:26

I appreciate it so much. Mike Posner

44:28

Man, my brother, dude, I am walking this

44:31

walk with you.

44:31

Love your brother, Love you too, God

44:34

let you. Jay tucks in