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going to jump right into the phones

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now and we're going to talk to

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Marlin. with an oh for

1:05

suburban. Hello Marlin! suburban hello

1:08

marlin hi there guys how's

1:10

going pretty good what can we

1:12

do for you with your suburban

1:14

uh... well it's a dispute that i'm

1:16

maybe gonna have with the mechanic

1:19

and Oh no. No names. No

1:21

names. That's the rules. No. No.

1:23

No. I used to work for

1:25

one of the bigger, the

1:27

bigger car dealerships here in

1:29

Sioux Falls. Cool. And while I

1:31

was an employee there, had

1:34

a wheel hub go out

1:36

bearing whatever you guys want to

1:38

call it. Common. Yeah. He said

1:40

while we're there, let's go and

1:42

do upper lower control arms

1:45

and ball. Gotcha. About you.

1:47

About $1, $1, $1,500. Anyway, been driving it

1:49

around for about a year and a half

1:51

and had it at a different mechanic shop. And

1:53

he goes, hey Marlin, come over here and look

1:55

at this while it's on the list. And he wiggles

1:57

a tire and it had the slop on the top.

2:00

And he goes, and look at this,

2:02

and he says, under the lower ball

2:04

joint, the boot, that that little rubber

2:06

thing was torn. And he goes, your

2:09

control arms are factory. They're still rusty.

2:11

And those bolts that hold those in,

2:13

they almost always break. So he goes,

2:15

those are all rusty. Bill. He goes,

2:17

they didn't put new bolts in. They

2:20

didn't touch those. So... How long since

2:22

you worked on it? Year and a

2:24

half. Okay. I just wanted to keep

2:26

going. We thought we thought you cut

2:28

you off there. You're going to say

2:31

something else. It's going to rust pretty

2:33

quick, but I'm just curious if it

2:35

was like three months. Yeah, so it's

2:37

like I have an appointment back at

2:39

the dealership where it was done and

2:42

they're going to take a second look.

2:44

But even if they didn't do it,

2:46

you know what I mean? Like they

2:48

didn't order the parts, they didn't put

2:50

them on, but I got charged for

2:53

them. And I don't want to get

2:55

too far into, you know, hyperbole of

2:57

what might be happening here, but it

2:59

doesn't sound good at all. And that's

3:02

what you're feeling right now, for sure.

3:04

And I don't blame you. So if

3:06

you have your original receipt, the dealership

3:08

has a very good repair order system

3:10

that will be able to go into

3:13

and tell what that repair was, what

3:15

parts were ordered for it, and what

3:17

parts were used, and what parts were

3:19

used. something really weird happened with a

3:21

miscommunication between the tech working on it

3:24

and the work that was actually performed

3:26

and where the parts that were ordered

3:28

because if there was parts ordered the

3:30

parts department and the service department are

3:32

they have to work together internally to

3:35

get those parts if those parts were

3:37

ordered and not used they still have

3:39

internal sales and credits that have to

3:41

be done. between those departments. They don't

3:43

just go grab a part. The service

3:46

department just can't go grab a part

3:48

out of the parts department and not

3:50

tell anybody they used it. They have

3:52

to account for it. when it moves

3:54

in and out of the department. And

3:57

so that should be very easy to

3:59

look at and keep your mind open

4:01

that it could be that there was

4:03

a miscommunication with a tech and a

4:05

service writer. And the service writer said,

4:08

here's the work to be done. And

4:10

for whatever reason, they just put the

4:12

hub on because that was the part

4:14

the tech saw as the problem and

4:16

didn't know other services had been sold.

4:19

You know, I'm looking at just keep

4:21

your mind open of what could have

4:23

happened because. We've got enough good people

4:25

working at these dealerships in Sioux Falls,

4:27

and they are friends of mine, a

4:30

lot of them, that we're in and

4:32

out of their buying, selling, doing business,

4:34

watching them repair vehicles, because we're selling

4:36

them parts also to help people keep

4:38

the cost down on some of their

4:41

use cars that they're working on, and

4:43

customers use cars. And we see parts

4:45

getting replaced just like they're supposed to

4:47

be. There are times where things just

4:50

don't go right and just make sure

4:52

and just talk it through and let

4:54

them give you the benefit of the

4:56

doubt of what might or could have

4:58

happened. But on the surface on the

5:01

surface on the surface this doesn't sound

5:03

good. Yeah because that's funny because I

5:05

actually work in the parts department at

5:07

that time. Yeah so you so you

5:09

understand parts coming in and out so

5:12

you there's a way for them to

5:14

check themselves. to see what happened. It's

5:16

a big, you know, these are big

5:18

organizations that have a lot of things

5:20

happening and there's a lot of different

5:23

people involved. And so I think you

5:25

just, you do get, got to give

5:27

them a chance to let them do

5:29

what they're doing, relook at it, look

5:31

at it, look at their records, and

5:34

see where they're at. Yeah, that was

5:36

step one, I went back to them

5:38

and had them reprint the receipt and

5:40

then I went back to the mechanic

5:42

and now I have to go back

5:45

to go back to the dealer. Oh

5:47

yeah, because the mechanic might even say,

5:49

oh my gosh, I do remember that,

5:51

you know what, I didn't put control

5:53

arms on it, I just did the

5:56

wheel bearing, in that case, I'm sure

5:58

they're just going to say... Well, let's

6:00

put them on. Yeah, I just gonna take

6:02

care of you. That makes me move

6:04

to Michigan. Oh, well, that makes it

6:06

harder. That makes it harder. Facebook. It

6:08

makes it, no, but it makes it

6:11

harder. And I understand that, but at

6:13

the same token, you need to be

6:15

able to, you need to be able

6:17

to just talk it through. And I'm,

6:19

you know, I'm, I'm wired, so patient,

6:21

I'm different than everybody's wired

6:23

different. My wife and I

6:25

are wired different, I mean,

6:27

Russ and I are wired

6:30

different. I'm wired so patient

6:32

that I'm going to give

6:34

people a chance to tell

6:36

me, no, let's review this, let's

6:38

look at it, and let their

6:40

conscience look at what they see,

6:43

and if they can, if they

6:45

see that, no, something went wrong

6:47

here, most of the places are

6:50

going to take care of it

6:52

and make it right. Not everyone

6:54

opens the hood or looks and they don't know

6:56

what they're looking for exactly But I can

6:58

tell you on most of the more expensive

7:00

jobs anything over a few hundred bucks Those

7:02

are the ones that I see that I look out

7:04

and well is everything okay because they open

7:07

the hood and they just look like yeah,

7:09

everything looks good even some of them will

7:11

take a quick picture and then they'll close

7:13

it just to just see and because

7:15

there's mistakes can happen. Mistakes can happen.

7:17

We've had mistakes happen. You just want

7:19

to make sure that You follow up as

7:21

best you can. And I would always advise

7:23

people on the show, I've been doing it

7:25

since 1990, and I'm not perfect, we're

7:28

not perfect, but what I do advise

7:30

people is that if you're going in for

7:32

a replacement of a part, before

7:34

they replace it, if they can, most

7:36

of the places were, like a lot

7:38

of independents have this, where they'll have

7:41

a... a picture-taking system where they can take

7:43

a picture and and and show you look where

7:45

my fingers pointed this is worn right here this has

7:47

to be replaced this boot is ripped it has to

7:49

be replaced and then when you come in to do

7:51

the repairs they don't always have the parts sitting right

7:54

there but then they can look and say hey

7:56

if you want to check you can see that you

7:58

know that thing we say in the Here's where

8:00

we replaced it at. And that

8:02

has helped kind of bridge that

8:04

gap. But I used to always

8:06

advise people to say, okay, it's

8:08

bad. Show me the good one.

8:10

Show me the bad one. That

8:13

makes sense. It's worn out. I

8:15

thank you for replacing it. Because

8:17

if you don't know, that's what

8:19

you have to do. That's the

8:21

most obvious way to show people.

8:23

We keep all the old parts

8:25

in our shop until the cars

8:27

picked up. And if the customer

8:29

wants to see him, we... Or

8:31

take him with him. If they

8:33

don't want him, they go in

8:35

the scrap. But that's the best

8:37

way, because whenever I decided not

8:39

to, they're gone. So thanks for

8:41

the call, Marlin. Take care. Yep.

8:43

All right. Appreciate it. Thank you,

8:45

guys. 866, 594, 4150. This is

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the under-the-the-hood show, and we've got

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calls coming in. You can get

8:52

on there, too. you know the

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number because I just gave it

8:56

we're gonna jump in we're gonna

8:58

talk to Bob in Idaho Bob

9:00

has a 91 GMC hello Bob

9:02

how you doing we're we're awesome

9:04

now that you got a question

9:06

complete I got this 91 GMC

9:08

three quarter 10 heavy duty with

9:10

a 454 128 thousand miles and

9:12

I got a question about replacing

9:14

the Oh my gosh, I forgot

9:16

the name of it right now.

9:18

What did I call about? Oh,

9:20

the EGR valve. Yeah. And it's

9:22

never been replaced that I know

9:24

of. I'm the second owner. I've

9:26

not replaced it. I know the

9:28

first owner, my father-in-law, and I

9:31

took it in to have a

9:33

bunch of tune of stuff done.

9:35

And they gave me an estimate,

9:37

but I thought was pretty high

9:39

to replace that EGR valve valve.

9:41

Do it yourself. It's so it's

9:43

simple. You think I could do

9:45

myself? Oh goodness. Yes. If you

9:47

can change a spark plug, you

9:49

can change and need your valve.

9:51

If you can dodge a ball,

9:53

you can dodge a wrench. I

9:55

was just thinking out when you

9:57

said that. Yeah. So you just,

9:59

air cleaner, two wing nuts on

10:01

the top of that throttle body,

10:03

take that off, push it to

10:05

the side, that big plastic tube

10:07

is going to kind of snap

10:10

as it pops off of there.

10:12

It's not going to break usually

10:14

unless it's old and worn out.

10:16

But this is old. Then you

10:18

have one rubber line that connects

10:20

that EGR valve to an electronic

10:22

solenoid by both the solenoid and

10:24

the valve together to prevent problems.

10:26

You need them both for sure.

10:28

And then you have two. nuts

10:30

that secure that EGR valve to

10:32

that intake manifold. They're 13mm in

10:34

diameter nut size. You take those

10:36

two off, you pull the valve

10:38

off, you clean the gasket surface

10:40

off, you know, nice and clean.

10:42

You don't need to use sandpaper

10:44

or anything, just gasket scraper, clean

10:46

it off, you know, don't get

10:49

anything down in the hole there,

10:51

of course. But clean it off,

10:53

then put the new gasket on,

10:55

bolt that new valve on, those

10:57

two 13mm nuts, plug the solenoid

10:59

in, and the 110mm bolt that

11:01

holds that down, plug your vacuum

11:03

lines in and you are done

11:05

that quick. And I would venture

11:07

to guess that you're probably going

11:09

to find that EGR valve in

11:11

stock at most auto parts store

11:13

under our partner Dorman's product line

11:15

name. And if you purchase their

11:17

solenoid and their valve together... you

11:19

should have many years of happiness

11:21

out of this truck. One of

11:23

the symptoms you have with a

11:25

poor EGR valve on these as

11:28

they fill up with carbon and

11:30

that solenoid starts to leak is

11:32

that if you put the truck

11:34

in reverse and try to back

11:36

up slowly it'll kind of fall

11:38

on its face and even in

11:40

drive and you slowly accelerate sometimes

11:42

it'll fall on its face because

11:44

an open EGR valve on the

11:46

highway does nothing. It doesn't, I

11:48

mean it does nothing to hinder

11:50

performance at highway speed. but at

11:52

very low speed and just off

11:54

of idle, it'll fall on its

11:56

face. So we tell people to

11:58

plug them all the time to

12:00

check for a test. But yeah,

12:02

you should be able to do

12:04

that yourself. It's a one on

12:07

the scale of difficulty for stuff.

12:09

Yeah, we say that we joked

12:11

many times, how many wrenches on...

12:13

the scale. Not even one. Is

12:15

our is our wrench scale a

12:17

five inch scale or a ten

12:19

wrench scale? If we made it

12:21

a hundred this would probably be

12:23

a three. Okay. Yeah it's really

12:25

low it's like changing the air

12:27

filter it's about that difficult. And

12:29

this car. Does that encourage you

12:31

Bob? Bob can do it. Bob?

12:33

Bob? Bob? We lost Bob. Are

12:35

you there Bob? Bob? Bob? Bob?

12:37

Are you there Bob? Bob? Bob?

12:39

Bob's gone. Bob got all the

12:41

info. pull it back up on

12:43

the podcast and he's jumping in

12:46

now. He said yes before. Yeah,

12:48

but that's a that's a great

12:50

repair that you can do at

12:52

home. Go back to X and

12:54

Instagram and YouTube and Facebook and

12:56

hit the rewind button. I enabled

12:58

it. There wasn't, you got to

13:00

enable rewind. Yeah, there's like, would

13:02

you like your listeners to be

13:04

able to rewind? Oh, why not?

13:06

So they could, that would give

13:08

them the ability to pause it

13:10

live. pick it back up again.

13:12

That's true. Oh, cool. All right,

13:14

we're going to jump in and

13:16

we're going to talk to, how

13:18

about Kurt on line four with

13:20

the Jeep Wrangler? Hi, Kurt. How

13:22

are you doing, guys? Pretty good.

13:25

How are you doing? Not too

13:27

bad. Hey, I got a 2013

13:29

Jeep Wrangler. And when I get

13:31

into higher elevations, it's got about

13:33

80,000 miles on it. When I

13:35

get into higher elevation, say 5,000,

13:37

6,000 feet, it doesn't want to

13:39

shift into a higher gear very

13:41

easily. It will shift, but I

13:43

got to wrap it up to

13:45

about 5,000 RPM. Thought he had

13:47

a flying car for a minute.

13:49

Yeah, yeah. It's usually going up

13:51

an ingrade or an up. Right.

13:53

But it does happen in higher

13:55

elevations, even higher than 5,000 on

13:57

a flat, flat grade, off road,

13:59

just. It just doesn't want to

14:01

shift very well. I can run all day.

14:04

Yeah, it is. You wouldn't understand. Well,

14:06

yeah, but it really is a

14:08

cheap thing. So we, with that

14:11

engine, we've had some issues with

14:13

this and sometimes replacing the manifold

14:15

air pressure sensor has helped

14:17

this. But what we find a lot

14:20

of people have to do is

14:22

they're, as they're traveling, as they

14:24

leave a lower elevation, that's

14:26

typically. you know, a thousand feet

14:28

or under and they start climbing

14:30

up into the eastern mountains in

14:32

the United States and they start

14:34

hitting four to five thousand feet or

14:37

more, then you pull off the road,

14:39

shut the vehicle off, wait 30

14:41

seconds and then restart the vehicle

14:43

and take off again. And at that

14:45

point, usually it fixes the problem

14:47

because the map sensor on this,

14:50

it doesn't have a true barrel

14:52

barometric pressure sensor, it only has

14:54

a manifold air pressure. It reads

14:56

the barometric pressure

14:58

every time you shut the

15:00

car off for 30 seconds

15:03

and restart it. If you don't

15:05

restart it, it will not, it

15:07

doesn't know that the

15:09

barometric pressure has changed.

15:11

So as you climb, it assumes

15:13

you're going to be pretty

15:15

much hanging out at your

15:17

normal altitude. So it doesn't

15:20

know. So when you go

15:22

up into the mountains, you

15:24

have to restart it. Yeah it

15:26

works fine coming down. I can come out

15:28

at 10,000 feet down to 3,000 feet and

15:30

when I get to 3,000 feet it works

15:32

fine. And you'd notice you were burning

15:34

more fuel if you if you if

15:37

you if you check your fuel mileage

15:39

of course when you're coming downhill but

15:41

you're coming downhill but not that much

15:43

downhill not enough to really affect it

15:46

but yeah you'll be burning more

15:48

it's gonna be done for more fuel

15:50

in it as that altitude changes because

15:52

it thinks you're up at the higher

15:55

I have not. Try it. I think you're

15:57

going to be surprised at what happens.

16:00

thing. But it's also on any vehicle

16:02

that does not have a true barometric

16:04

pressure sensor. Now a lot of vehicles

16:06

do, especially the more modern and the

16:08

newer ones. They have both a barometric

16:11

pressure and a map sensor or a

16:13

mass air flow. It's, you don't usually

16:15

have the problem, but the ones with

16:17

that, like that jeep that use a

16:19

map sensor, it's a problem with with

16:22

Chrysler products with a map sensor. So

16:24

I would just try that. There's no

16:26

way around it other than turning the

16:28

key off. There's no... update or programming

16:30

change or anything you can do. You've

16:33

just kind of stuck with it. Yeah,

16:35

I've got a programmer for it and

16:37

I was set to performance but I've

16:39

since changed it back and I haven't

16:41

had a chance to get into higher

16:44

elevations. Here's a test that it made

16:46

a different. I got an easy test

16:48

for it. Here's an easy test for

16:50

you. Read the barometric. Start the vehicle

16:53

up when you're headed towards the mountains

16:55

and you're at a thousand feet or

16:57

whatever. Yep, read that barrel sensor. And

16:59

then as you start climbing into the

17:01

hills, continue to watch it and see

17:04

that it's not changing. Watch until you

17:06

get up to 5,000 feet and go,

17:08

it's still the same pressure. Shut the

17:10

key off, restart it, and watch it

17:12

change to a different pressure, and then

17:15

everything run better. And then that's your

17:17

visual verification that there was something wrong.

17:19

Okay, so that's the map sensor? MAP,

17:21

you'll see manifold air pressure, you will

17:23

see that, and the barrel, because it's

17:26

going to say map and barrel right

17:28

underneath it, right next to it. The

17:30

map is always going to be changing

17:32

as the engine manifold pressure changes, but

17:34

that barometric pressure is like the weatherman

17:37

saying, the barometric pressure is like the

17:39

weatherman saying, the barometric pressure is falling,

17:41

so when that happens you need a

17:43

different fuel ratio going into the engine.

17:46

You know, it's trying to run at

17:48

14-7-1. Well, that's at sea level. That

17:50

is not at, you know, once you...

17:52

hit a thousand feet fine but three

17:54

thousand four five you're you're changing pretty

17:57

pretty quick your your mixture is going

17:59

to change so you've got a you've

18:01

got to adjust with altitude I mean

18:03

most cars now are going to be

18:05

automatic in the last even 10 years

18:08

typically but this Jeep still on an

18:10

old on an older design system a

18:12

20-24 Jeep is not this way it'll

18:14

just work if he was driving up

18:16

the mountains and it wasn't shifting he

18:19

could always drop down and just do

18:21

manual shift too Yeah, you could. Still

18:23

not going to be running very good.

18:25

Or you could just shut that key

18:28

off and watch what happens. Pull over

18:30

before you shut the key off. So

18:32

many things happen when you just, I've

18:34

tried that, turn it off and put

18:36

it in neutral and it doesn't always

18:39

work. It doesn't reset all the time

18:41

if it sees those road speed from

18:43

the EBS and things like that. So

18:45

that's just something. But we see this

18:47

a lot with vehicles, so I would

18:50

definitely say just shut her off and

18:52

restart her. It's the way it's designed,

18:54

it only has one sensor. It would

18:56

need two to work correctly. It would

18:58

need a barometric pressure sensor and a

19:01

map sensor. Some of the old vehicles,

19:03

actually, I think it was the Jeep,

19:05

the AMC version that had a barometric

19:07

pressure sensor in the computer. It was

19:09

just built inside under the lid, and

19:12

it would read the barrel that way.

19:14

And then they eliminated that, and they

19:16

went to the map sensor, which with

19:18

the key on engine off before you

19:21

crank it. reads the barometric pressure then

19:23

when you crank it up it switches

19:25

over to map so it's reading because

19:27

that manifold air pressure is going to

19:29

be the same as outside without the

19:32

engine running but once it fires up

19:34

it's reading map and there's no way

19:36

around it so yeah there is no

19:38

fix to it other than turning the

19:40

key off because like I said most

19:43

people do not traverse from a low

19:45

altitude to a high altitude and back

19:47

in a day in the same trip

19:49

usually they're usually they found with the

19:51

research that they're usually in one area

19:54

or the other exclusively and they so

19:56

they eliminated a part and they eliminated

19:58

a circuit yep those who travel up

20:00

and down yeah they they've learned the

20:03

trick about turning at some point they've

20:05

had to shut it off over the

20:07

years and went, oh, it works. I'll

20:09

just keep doing that. Does that help

20:11

you out? Yes it does. One other

20:14

question though, would a transmission fluid change

20:16

help? I doubt it. It's probably, unless

20:18

that fluid's burnt and something sticking, I'll

20:20

bet it's barrow. You got to look

20:22

at the scanner first. If you see

20:25

that the barometric pressure does not change.

20:27

Try the turn the key off first

20:29

and if it works perfectly by turning

20:31

the key off. Yeah, the transmission flush

20:33

won't help a thing All right. Thanks

20:36

for the call, Kurt. I'm good guys.

20:38

Thank you. You bet. Big help. Thank

20:40

you. Take care All right. I think

20:42

we got that one nailed. What do

20:44

you think Shannon? I sat there in

20:47

amazement because that's that's not a question

20:49

I could have answered that well and

20:51

it's because it's your knowledge is in

20:53

that area is in that. That's cool.

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Now we're going to jump and make

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26:00

answer button, turn that up,

26:03

talk to Jeremy about a

26:05

gas tuning question. How are

26:07

you doing, Jerry? Not too

26:09

bad. Yeah, I had a

26:12

question about, a little confused

26:14

about the ethanol ratings

26:16

versus the the octane

26:18

ratings. Yep. It seems like you

26:20

can get the 87 octane which

26:22

is 10% and you can get

26:24

E15 which is 88% and then

26:27

you have E30 which is not

26:29

listed at the pump. So I just,

26:31

yes, online it sounds like it's

26:33

94% or is what, or not a

26:35

percent, but the rating. So I was

26:37

just kind of wondering, is that

26:39

general rule of thumb, is that something

26:41

you can take the bank for

26:44

tuning that you can just dump

26:46

E30 in or what should you be

26:48

tuning for if you plan to use

26:50

E30? If you're running E30, it's not

26:52

necessarily always going to just work. It

26:55

depends a lot on the year of

26:57

the car and the model and everything.

26:59

What year was that again? What do

27:01

you be tuning? A 2020 challenger. A

27:03

2020 challenger. Okay, so a 2020 challenger

27:06

with any of the engines in it

27:08

or the Camaro or anything like that,

27:10

they typically, everybody I've seen that runs

27:12

that should be fine. In mine, I'm

27:14

running E30. and that's all I've ever

27:16

run in it and I've never had

27:18

a problem with it. And you didn't

27:20

do any custom tuning to it. Now

27:22

it runs, I mean it does have

27:25

custom tuning in it, but even with

27:27

the stock tuning, it is about a

27:29

plus three for fuel trims. It was

27:31

running right around zero with, and if I

27:33

run premium fuel in it now, it runs

27:35

around zero. Plus three, I can go to

27:37

about a plus 17 before it turns check

27:39

engine light on, so it's way in its

27:42

range of range of feeling good. a lot

27:44

of quality of fuel but I do get

27:46

a little bit of mileage with the 30

27:48

because I've got such better octane and therefore

27:50

when I've got the tuning on my car

27:52

set for premium fuel only I can run

27:54

it I don't have to run the E30's

27:57

got more octane than I'm getting out of

27:59

the premium fuel. so I'm better off. Not

28:01

every car is that way though, carburetor

28:03

car? No, you would have to jet

28:05

it and change the mixture screws as

28:07

well to make that thing run properly

28:10

with the right mixture because it doesn't

28:12

have an O2 sensor to adjust. Older

28:14

cars from pre-2000? Yeah, they're going to

28:16

have to need a little bit of

28:18

work as well. We'll see what happens

28:21

at the gas pump right now. We're

28:23

seeing an E15. I know they're pushing,

28:25

they'd like to see E20, they'd like

28:27

to see E30 allowed in a lot

28:29

of cases, but that's going to be

28:31

a little trickier because like you said,

28:34

you're going to have to find out,

28:36

can you run it? But I can

28:38

see them run an E20 and with

28:40

the way things are going now, it's

28:42

hard to say. I do not know

28:44

what current administration will be for. They're

28:47

for renewable fuels, but I don't know

28:49

how much they'll be there also for.

28:51

drill baby drill they're for oil so

28:53

there's going to be a lot of

28:55

push for regular fossil fuel gasoline and

28:58

there'll be a lot of push for

29:00

ethanol so to answer one of your

29:02

questions you said and and I'll let

29:04

Russ guide me if I get this

29:06

wrong but the varying octane ratings when

29:08

they blend the ethanol fuel has a

29:11

lot to do with the blending process

29:13

and the stock fuel that they start

29:15

with yeah a lot of times they

29:17

were putting crappier fuel in with the

29:19

more ethanol that went in. Right. And

29:21

so it basically- But not always. But

29:24

it can pull down the octane ratings

29:26

sometimes. And when you get into the

29:28

higher octane, the E85s and things like

29:30

that, many times you'll find those at

29:32

the pump are only at 50% alcohol,

29:35

even though it says E85. And so

29:37

that's something to be aware of. And

29:39

people that are going to actually tune

29:41

a vehicle for like race purposes with

29:43

that higher octane ethanol fuel, they have

29:45

to go get- a metered high ethanol

29:48

fuel to know what they're dealing with,

29:50

otherwise there are a lot of variables

29:52

at the pump on that. I think

29:54

your E30... is going to from our

29:56

experience should run from what we think

29:58

we know pretty close in that 91

30:01

two three four octane range but there

30:03

it is hard to tell they don't

30:05

they don't publish that no because of

30:07

the mixing process because it varies because

30:09

it does vary and so I've been

30:12

running E30 in my pickup since it

30:14

was brand new I'm 35,000 miles on

30:16

it right now my previous pickup I

30:18

ran it in there and I sold

30:20

that at 60,000 miles yeah Never had

30:22

a problem. No, I don't think so

30:25

if to answer your question your challenger,

30:27

I don't think Russ doesn't from to

30:29

recap I don't think he thinks you

30:31

need to tune it at all just

30:33

run it. No, is that your question?

30:35

Well, I guess I was looking at

30:38

trying to get a little more power

30:40

out of it. You could tune it.

30:42

You might be able to get some.

30:44

Yeah, set it to run premium fuel

30:46

only where it says 91 required or

30:49

better. and then run E30 that should

30:51

that should work fine. In fact most

30:53

of the most of those tuner companies

30:55

it asks what fuel you're putting in

30:57

it. It asks if it's ethanol or

30:59

gasoline. I know when you're running HP

31:02

tuners it specifically asked me on my

31:04

Camaro it said are you running are

31:06

you running are you running are you

31:08

running are you running are you running

31:10

and there are some minor changes in

31:12

that fuel curve but I don't think

31:15

it cares. I think it could run

31:17

either way. I'm not sure exactly what

31:19

they're thinking of might be for emissions,

31:21

but like I said, you know, mine

31:23

on a Camaro, just putting the 30

31:26

right in the tank straight with zero

31:28

tuning, it adds 4% fuel. And I

31:30

could go up to 17 before it

31:32

would turn a light on. So it's

31:34

definitely within its range. What Russ is

31:36

saying there, I think is really important

31:39

for people that are listening right now.

31:41

there's you know people get triggered when

31:43

they hear the word F and a

31:45

lot of times they shouldn't they just

31:47

need to understand it and the fact

31:49

is that he's doing that but not

31:52

just on a blind yeah I'm gonna

31:54

put this in yeah I'm doing that

31:56

because of what he did because we've

31:58

got similar engines and he had taken

32:00

out the scanner and was looking at

32:03

fuel trims and he watched what happened

32:05

when he changed the fuels. And that

32:07

doesn't lie. You know, the output for

32:09

what the computer is reading after you

32:11

burn a X fuel or a Y

32:13

fuel doesn't lie. Jason Spencer on YouTube

32:16

says this has CT tuner does that

32:18

as well, which is that bully dog.

32:20

It asks ethanol versus what, you know,

32:22

and octane and all that. That's to

32:24

me what I care about is what

32:26

does the computer say is happening when

32:29

I put this in my vehicle right

32:31

you need to find out and you

32:33

if you have a tuner it'll tell

32:35

you when you put it on the

32:37

diagnostic mode it'll tell you what the

32:40

fuel trim is and that's that's why

32:42

the fuel trim is there in a

32:44

check engine light because if it's if

32:46

it's going to damage the engine of

32:48

the cataly converters it's going to turn

32:50

on your check engine light and if

32:53

it does not and your fuel trims

32:55

are still even under 10 your your

32:57

your way good. Does

32:59

that help you Jeremy or telling well

33:01

for telling the the tuner do you

33:03

tell him you're shooting for 91 octane

33:05

or do you tell him you're shooting

33:08

for 93 octane? Well you want to

33:10

be tuning it your if you're tuning

33:12

it yourself with your own tuner that

33:14

way you know what you're putting into

33:16

it and it's adjustable later if you

33:18

pay somebody to tune it you can

33:20

do that but you're stuck so if

33:22

you let's say it says you're in

33:24

Sioux Falls another local one so if

33:26

you If you tune that for 93

33:28

and you get out on the highway

33:30

with it and you haven't tuned it

33:32

yourself, you get up to Rapid City,

33:34

you're not going to find that fuel

33:36

and you're going to be stuck with

33:39

running regular fuel and put an octane

33:41

booster in it and you're going to

33:43

have engine detonation. So you definitely want

33:45

to drive it like a baby. Yeah,

33:47

with that car, since it's so widely

33:49

available, you want SCT, Bulliedog, you know,

33:51

HP tuners, any of those that you

33:53

can tune yourself. and take out when

33:55

you need on demand like it's in

33:57

your glove box you just put it

33:59

in hit the button and tune it,

34:01

detune it, and then watch it for

34:03

yourself and see what, where it's

34:05

at as far as. Jeremy, I'm

34:08

gonna probe a little deeper here.

34:10

I just want to ask, with

34:12

your 2020 challenger, let's just assume

34:14

that you're further this

34:16

interested, this is a V8 Hemi

34:19

challenger, right? Correct. Which motor are

34:21

you got? 350. Okay. Six point,

34:23

six point one or six

34:25

point, or five point five

34:27

seven? Five seven. Five. The

34:30

any other modifications

34:32

done to the car or the

34:34

engine or the exhaust or anything?

34:37

Cold air intake other than

34:39

that not really okay Just

34:41

from what I think I know I

34:43

don't know that if you go down

34:45

and pay somebody to do

34:47

a really specific tune and

34:50

Like Russ said you're kind

34:52

of locking in the ECM

34:54

at some points with those if

34:56

depending on how they do it?

34:58

that you're going to gain enough to

35:00

make it make sense. And I think

35:03

that's why Russ is talking

35:05

like an out-of-the-box tuner might

35:07

give you a similar performance.

35:09

Whatever you're looking for,

35:11

you can modify it on the

35:13

fly and have the adaptability

35:16

to go on a trip and not

35:18

have to worry about being put in

35:20

jail because you've locked it

35:22

in at a certain octane

35:24

rating. That's where I would

35:27

go and those over-the-counter programmers,

35:29

from what we've seen, they

35:31

give a little variance in

35:33

there because of that. I don't

35:35

know, yes, you could take and say,

35:37

yes, I know I'm going to have

35:40

94 octane fuel in there all the

35:42

time, so I want you to tune

35:44

it to 94, so I can get

35:47

this specific performance. That may not be

35:49

worth it, is I guess the point.

35:51

Is that what your

35:53

choice? Exactly. totally understand.

35:55

Yep. That's a fun car. Those

35:57

cars are fun. They bring back a

36:00

lot of memories for people of

36:02

just the rumble of a V8

36:04

and the straight line power and

36:06

Be careful. We just I put

36:08

a post on our social media

36:10

recently of a of a scat

36:12

pack challenger. It's on our company

36:14

social media. I didn't share it

36:17

on under the hood show, but

36:19

somebody had a pretty bad last

36:21

ride last ride. It was a

36:23

six point four leader scat pack

36:25

three ninety two and just a

36:27

Less than 20,000 miles on it

36:29

and they scattered it. They scattered

36:31

it. They made a mess out

36:34

of it. I hope they're okay.

36:36

We bought it at sale so

36:38

we don't know their story, but

36:40

it's pretty rough. Thanks for the

36:42

call, Jeremy. Yeah. Take care. 866-594-4150.

36:44

We are back under the hood.

36:46

I had a detailed discussion. AI

36:48

and their car you know we're

36:51

talking about it off the air

36:53

and talking about robots and everything

36:55

but with their car they said

36:57

can Aren't these movies fake where

36:59

they they show like mission impossible

37:01

or whatever? They show like somebody

37:03

taking control of a hundred cars

37:05

and and driving these cars into

37:08

each other and starting them up.

37:10

They're just They're not possible, right?

37:12

I said, well, what is that

37:14

you're driving out there? Yeah, it's

37:16

possible. Is it probable? Today? We

37:18

haven't seen it. So nothing that's,

37:20

if it's not occurring regularly, it's

37:22

not probable. But could it? Yes,

37:25

it definitely could. Anything that has

37:27

a vehicle that can be, that

37:29

has a push button start. You

37:31

don't have to turn a key

37:33

to start it or it has

37:35

a remote starting system. It has

37:37

steering that is drive by wire

37:39

so it's got electric power steering.

37:41

I can steer it with my

37:44

scanner. I can control the steering

37:46

to move. I can put it

37:48

into gear and take it out

37:50

of gear if it has a

37:52

push button or a dial to

37:54

put it in gear. If it

37:56

doesn't have a cable, you love

37:58

those cables because those can't be

38:01

put into gear. If they're made

38:03

to be a future self-driving car,

38:05

yes, they can be remotely operated

38:07

with the right software. It's been

38:09

proven. They've had people hack into

38:11

G-pad one and they had some

38:13

young guys hack into one to

38:15

see if they could drive it.

38:18

And they started it, drove it

38:20

around the track, parked it, and

38:22

they went, oh boy. We are

38:24

not selling those vehicles right now.

38:26

So they stop sale on them.

38:28

They did. So they got it

38:30

straight out later. Constantly. I mean,

38:32

I assured them that every day

38:35

they are working on cybersecurity security

38:37

to make sure those things cannot

38:39

happen on vehicles. They're continuously. working

38:41

and in fact most of them

38:43

the way their security works is

38:45

that when the car is being

38:47

operated with the key on by

38:49

the the person in charge if

38:52

someone's occupying the driver's seat they've

38:54

got the push button on the

38:56

car is running they cannot be

38:58

remotely operated because they don't have

39:00

a self-driving system but now if

39:02

the car was turned off and

39:04

you were not in it That's

39:06

a different story as far as

39:09

the way the software goes. I

39:11

mean, there's a there's a lot

39:13

of things in there that are

39:15

made to block it But who

39:17

knows everything changes as we go

39:19

into the future and those things

39:21

could be more and more of

39:23

an issue But it was it

39:25

was interesting to see I know

39:28

I used to watch movies even

39:30

five six years ago and I'd

39:32

laugh when I'd see cars that

39:34

would do that but now I

39:36

now it's more of a as

39:38

a mechanic you watch movies cinematic

39:40

type stuff and even some TV

39:42

shows you see that's they can't

39:45

do that you know watching Nicholas

39:47

Cage in in gone in 60

39:49

seconds and the and the guys

39:51

in the parking garage they just

39:53

reach under the dash and rip

39:55

the wires out and they they

39:57

spark and also in the cars

39:59

running and They go, well, what

40:02

about the steering wheel lock? I

40:04

watch that stuff, I'm like, that

40:06

doesn't work? No, but nowadays... They

40:08

used to show the people with the

40:10

scanners going by the cars, and we

40:12

thought, oh, that's not far off. But

40:14

now, in a new show, you show

40:16

me a guy that pulls out his

40:18

cell phone. and opens up his app

40:20

and a bunch of numbers go across

40:22

the screen that you can't, you know,

40:25

it's irreconizable numbers. And they hit the

40:27

start button and this hit the start

40:29

button and the car unlocks and starts

40:31

up. I say, okay, that's plausible. I can believe

40:33

that. Compared to, I'm going to rip

40:35

the dash of wires out of a

40:37

2025 Mercedes-Benz and a little spark. And

40:39

is it going to work? No, there's

40:41

no way to make it work. And

40:43

they're hard enough to get them started

40:45

with the key sometimes with the key

40:47

sometimes when you. when they're trying to

40:49

steal these things. Last night my wife

40:52

and I were watching a movie and

40:54

I just told Russell a little bit

40:56

about during the break, but in that

40:58

show there's another scene that you would get

41:00

a kick out of just from what

41:02

you were just talking about because

41:04

this basically AI humanoid robot

41:07

that is trying to become something

41:09

jumps in her boyfriend's car

41:12

that happens to be some sort of

41:14

an EV. can't get it

41:16

going because it doesn't have voice

41:18

recognition to say start ex's car

41:20

so she also has his phone

41:23

and so she starts grabbing his

41:25

phone and adjusting her voice and

41:27

playing with her voice output until

41:30

it matches the tone of who

41:32

was voice recognized in the car.

41:34

And I'm watching that like this

41:36

is crazy, but no, probably

41:38

not very far off. Where

41:40

the humanoid bot basically had

41:42

his phone and had full

41:44

control of herself. Yeah. Well,

41:47

the AI. Kind of a dumb

41:49

movie, but from the standpoint of

41:51

watching it and imagining, just

41:53

like Russ said, what science fiction

41:55

will soon be truth. Yeah. That

41:58

was crazy. It's a movie. came

42:00

on Apple last night called companion and

42:02

it was just like in a weird

42:04

show but we watched that like ooh

42:06

oh. There's a lot I did have

42:08

a gentleman said that they really appreciate

42:10

when they called Nordstrom's here for parts

42:12

they got a real-life person on the

42:15

phone to talk to and ask about

42:17

parts when they had called some other

42:19

ones and you just mentioned it last

42:21

week how they had the the test

42:23

platform where you call in and it

42:25

says What kind of car are you

42:27

asking you about today? And you said

42:29

this is like, well, is that the

42:31

one that has the VIN number why

42:34

or the VIN number S in the

42:36

eighth digit? Well, that's a why. Let

42:38

me direct you to a salesperson who

42:40

can assist you with that. And then

42:42

the salesperson already has the info, like

42:44

McDonald's does. They're cute up. Boom, ready

42:46

to go. And you've verified some of

42:48

the details. Of course, then you ask

42:50

them again, because you don't know if

42:53

it's right. Those things are coming and

42:55

it drives me nuts sometimes when I

42:57

think I'm talking to a real person

42:59

and then all of a sudden it

43:01

says, I will direct you to a

43:03

salesperson at this point. It's like, wouldn't

43:05

I just talking to a salesperson? No,

43:07

you were talking to our A. More

43:09

like McDonald's, pull forward. But something else

43:12

we should probably touch on a little

43:14

bit. As you look around, you will

43:16

see some increases in prices. We've already

43:18

seen it happen in consumables such as

43:20

oil filters and things. We did have

43:22

a number of listeners about a year

43:24

ago talking about their price of their

43:26

oil changes, how they had, they were

43:28

regularly just under $100 for average cars

43:31

like a, let's say a Honda Civic,

43:33

you know, whatever it might be, under

43:35

$100. When you got in the trucks,

43:37

they were just slightly over $18, maybe

43:39

$18. That's real money when you talk

43:41

about it. I mean everything from food

43:43

or whatever goes up But now you

43:45

are going to see the days of

43:47

a 1999 quick loop oil change are

43:50

long gone Something's wrong if they're doing

43:52

that or they're just They want to

43:54

get you in the door for other

43:56

repairs and if you don't get tried

43:58

to get sold a bill of goods

44:00

to buy more stuff at that price

44:02

They're doing harm to themselves because it's

44:04

it's expensive to it. They're losing money

44:06

They're losing money at 100 bucks. The

44:09

oil changes will go up. Prices of

44:11

oil filters are typically, have risen 50%.

44:13

And that's a chunk of change because

44:15

when you take a tariff of, let's

44:17

say, 30% at the wholesale and then

44:19

they mark it up at their wholesale,

44:21

then by the time it comes to

44:23

the retail, yeah, it goes up. I

44:25

know our show contributor Rodney, our sales

44:28

guy over there said, yeah, he's like,

44:30

whoa, that filter for his. his power

44:32

stroke diesel. He's like, I can't believe

44:34

how much it went up. Yeah, they're

44:36

up, whether you buy it at Walmart

44:38

or you buy it at your, you

44:40

know, your parts stores, they're up. And

44:42

it's just the way. Well, a lot

44:44

of people are anticipating where the market

44:47

might move because of their forced change

44:49

of price. And there's other people that

44:51

are camping and waiting to say, let's

44:53

just see what actually happens. Yeah, because

44:55

we don't know for sure until, well,

44:57

we do see some of those prices

44:59

going up, but I tell you what,

45:01

if I have a choice between paying

45:03

a little more and not seeing as

45:06

many breakdowns, I might take the pay

45:08

a little more. And we can state

45:10

the example of pretty much any. Chevy

45:12

Silverado that's had the cam problem, any

45:14

RAM truck that's had the cam problem,

45:16

any equinox engine that's had timing issues,

45:18

all these cars that you see, we

45:20

talk about, if you listen under the

45:22

hood, you know we're talking about camshaft

45:25

issues and timing issues and piston issues

45:27

and all these things. Most of it,

45:29

our engine re-manufactures are saying that is

45:31

due to crappy metal, poor quality foreign

45:33

metal. And we did not... A Jeep

45:35

Cherokee 400 lasted so long we were

45:37

giving them away practically. At one point.

45:39

And the Ford Taurus with a three-liter

45:41

engine it's like, hey if you buy

45:44

a transmission we'll throw in an engine

45:46

for free. It was like it was

45:48

a joke but it was true also

45:50

it's like we need to scrap some

45:52

of these we'll sell it to you

45:54

for scrap price because we had so

45:56

many but now all of a sudden

45:58

those engines about is about... 10 years

46:00

ago or so, maybe 13 years ago?

46:02

Yeah, it's somewhere in that range. I

46:05

mean, it's hard to pin down exactly,

46:07

but... But they... About 07-08, it was

46:09

a lot of stuff. It was like

46:11

no matter how many miles or how

46:13

many years, all of a sudden they

46:15

all started having issues similar about the

46:17

same time. We're like, what's going on?

46:20

And a lot of it had to

46:22

do with oil quality changing and a

46:24

lot of different things, but something to

46:26

keep your eye on to death there.

46:28

I mean, so... Another episode on to

46:31

the Hood show in the can producer

46:33

Doug will be back next week. So

46:35

will Chris Carter I mean I say

46:37

well, I hope it will you can

46:39

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46:42

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46:44

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46:46

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