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Katie loves.

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Gulieremo Katie, Katie

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loves he g Olalla

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Yes yo.

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Recently I started watching a bunch of Elvis movies.

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I've seen them before, but not all of them,

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but there's a bunch of them on one of the streaming

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networks and I love them

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so much.

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What have you seen the most latest,

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Austin Butler? Elvia? Is

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it amazing? Yeah?

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I really really liked it. He's really

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good. He doesn't look like Elvis at all

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in my opinion, but that doesn't matter because

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he has like his essence. He's really fucking

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good.

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Wow, so good. I have not seen

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it. I should watch that. Yeah, bad

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actor.

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Yo, Katie. Isn't it funny when

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you're I remember being in college

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and being, you know, whatever age you are, when

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you're like second year of college, I was, I don no,

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twenty twenty one, I don't fucking know. But

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there was a girl in one of my acting classes.

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And I went to a business school, but of course I took

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like the three like acting

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classes that there were in the school, and

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there was a girl in my class that was like thirty

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two, and I remember all of us

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being like, yo,

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she's thirty two.

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We were flabbergasted that

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she was in her.

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Thirties and this person

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we never met, but.

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I remember all of us being like, it

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was like the school. It was like this drama.

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People were like, oh my god, he was thirty creature

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doing.

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Here, and we love her. We loved her. But

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of course now I'm fifty two and I'm like, hey,

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you know that's two so young?

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What? Yeah?

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No, wait, in business school? Did you take

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business classes?

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I took some. I went to Baroque

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College, which is the college that Jaylo went to.

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Yes, it's on like twenty third in Lexington.

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I knew I wanted to be an actor, but I wanted to go

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to have something to fall back on, get a degree in business,

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just to have something to fall back and my two older brothers

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went there.

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I cannot imagine

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you running, like doing a

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regular life job.

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Can you fucking imagine my dumb

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ass trying to do somebody's

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fucking taxes or some bullshit that

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has to do with money or something that's not artistic?

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Noumb you're incredibly smart.

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Well listen, I can be dumb sometimes, I like

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not, that's so not my brain. It doesn't

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work that way.

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We're not traditional like that, like

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you can't do a job like that, Like

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that is not Oh so both your brothers

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went to Baruch, so you were like, all right, I'll just do

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this.

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Yeah yeah, yeah. But luckily, you know, at

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the second year, like the middle of

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the second year, I got an agent and

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I started booking, and I was like, see

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you peaking was out of there,

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peace out.

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You must have come into Baruk and they must

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have been like, wow, give

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this dude.

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All the leads yep, Like they

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were like this motherfucker could act. All those business

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majors were terrible actors. So

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my scrawny ass was like I could do

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it, and they were like they're amazing.

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Oh my god, I can't

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imagine. I'm just like dying over

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the image of you, like having

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a sliding doors life, where like you didn't

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get an agent and you graduated book

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and you're in like some already shitted

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suit and you can't wear all your shirts

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and your leather suspenders and you have to like

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report to an office and like do

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taxes or something like what

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would you.

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Have done that is disgusting. I

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would never. I would never.

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You wouldn't have survived. I little

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Giermo Diaz going to Beru colleges. This

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is the greatest thing in the entire world.

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To make it crazy like it would have,

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I can't. You were not meant to do that.

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I wouldn't change it for the world. You know. It was such

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a great experience. And I met so many There was

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a professor, there, a names.

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You met that thirty two year old old hag.

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Yeah, that old hag.

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Wow. Today's

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episode is two sixteen.

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We are nearing the like we are in

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the final third of the

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second season where shit gets ramped up and

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fucking crazy. This episode is called Top

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of the Hour and it

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aired on March twenty first of twenty thirteen.

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And it was written by Heather Mitchell and directed

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by Steve Robin. Check

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it out. Okay, March twenty first is the day before

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my birthday.

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Continue, Oh, the best day in the world, the

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day that we all, we all need to be celebrating.

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March first.

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Second guest starring Scott Foley as Jake

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Bellard, Sharmila Devar as Lauren

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Wellman, Kurt Fuller as great In Osborne, Samantha

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slow And as Janine Locke, Alexander Greer

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as Patrick White, house staffer, Denorka

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Wildcott as reporter.

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Carol Reesrios

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as reporter, Peter J. Jackson as news

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anchor, Lisa Edelstein as

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Sarah Stanner love her. J.

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Carnes as Phil Stanner.

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This is a beautiful name, and it's saida.

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Eureka as

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Samantha Wells. I hope I did not butcher

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her name.

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Who is Samantha Wells in it?

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Who the fuck knows?

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I don't you remember who Samantha Wells was?

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I don't remember.

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All right, we're gonna get into it, so will so.

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Samantha Wells was the secretary

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that is seats is seated outside

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of Fitz's office, where Melly is like,

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tell me we all his meetings, please? Oh

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god, damn it. I fucked up. You're right, that's.

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Lauren Lauren Wellman,

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who is the who is the secretary

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who's in charge of Fitz's schedule?

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And right,

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yes, sorry, I apologize, guys,

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says a real doozy of an episode.

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It's kind of a classic. We've got a case of the

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Week, and we've got a lot of b

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storyline going on in the White House Synopsis. Olivia

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and her OPA team find themselves once more in the middle

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of a media firestorm. This time

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they go to head to head with the White House after their new

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client, high powered CEO Sarah Stanner,

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is accused of having an affair with President Fitz's

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nominee for the Supreme Court.

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Olivia delivers a hot tip to Jake Ballard

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as their flirtations continue. In

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pursuit of the White House, mole Huck

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teaches Quinn how to be a professional stalker

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with mixed results. Me Yeah, hey,

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wait a minute. Meanwhile, Cyrus

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and Mellie battle for the President's attention, and

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Abby confronts Harrison over his role

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in her and David Rosen's breakup. Whoa

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wow?

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Okay, So to Jog y'all's memory.

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Lisa Edelstein portrays

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the case of the week, Sarah Stanner,

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and she's fucking unbelievable.

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Her acting is ridiculous. She's

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so good, it's amazing,

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Like she plays this high powered female ceo.

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They have two kids, this like sort of perfect life,

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a lovely house and then her daughter. They're

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like setting up dinner at the beginning of the episode and

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You're like, oh my god, what a lovely family. And then all of a sudden,

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it's like ding dog and

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then a little daughter goes to run pizza,

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and the little daughter runs to the front door, and it's

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like ooh.

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And it's like all these reporters and right

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outside the door.

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Clashing bulbs and your your

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mother, you know, like do we want to talk to Sarah Stanza.

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She's been having an affair with the Supreme Court nominee.

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And what we learn is the case of the week

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is that Fitz's Supreme Court nominee

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was having an affair we think with Lisa

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Aiedelstein's character a million years

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ago, but it turns out what we learn is that

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affair was like going on for like

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a way.

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Much longer, much much

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longer.

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She was almost even kind of in love with them. Her

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husband puts it together like is our daughter

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even mine? Am

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I the father? Anyway,

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their performance is amazing, and

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so it's sort of like the White House going head to head

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with Opa because we rep Lisa Aiedelstein's

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character and the White House is trying

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to protect the Supreme Court nominee,

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and so they're tearing Lisa

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Aidelstein's character apart in the

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press, like showing all these pictures of her in

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college, like she was like a slut, and

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like releasing emails where

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she was like basically supposedly

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like begging him to have sex with her.

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And of course, and Cyrus is like,

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wtf, Olivia, what the hell are you doing?

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Leave this alone? And she's like, nope, I'm

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this this is my client. Too bad, And

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I love what she delivers. One of my favorite

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lines where she tells Cyrus take

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a breath, Cyrus, I don't want to be responsible

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for a heart attack, Like you're going to have a heart attack. Because

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Cyrus is losing his shit over

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this.

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Yeah, such foreshadowing, because Cyrus

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does have a heart attack at some point. I can't remember

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what season that is. Definitely has a heart attack.

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And some times.

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We will be back with more after

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the break. Okay,

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let's consult on notes. Let

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me look at the notes of like my favorite

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best scenes and all this shit.

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There's so many in this one, so many

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I.

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Know, they're so great, and there's

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a lot of oh,

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oh god, I just had a really big flashback. Okay, we'll

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get there to Okay,

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Olivia brings information on

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the kidnapped. Are

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they army people who are kidnapped?

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Who's I believe they're military folks.

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The military folk have been kidnapped.

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And Fits is trying to figure out. But

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there's a mole and Jake Is and

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Olivia are like flirtatious as all

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hell. Olivia goes to visit Jake at his office and

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we see some adorable photo of like with

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him and a camel getting looked in the face and Jake

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in his like hot sexy uniform

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and all that kind of thing. Melly

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doesn't understand, like what

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the fuck is going on? She sees

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that in Fits his schedule, three

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meetings a week are going on late at

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night, and she goes to Cyrus and is like, your

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boys cheating on us? I

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know. She's like, no, no, no, forgive me. Are boys

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cheating on you? He's meeting with someone three

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nights a week and I don't know who it is, and Cyrus, you

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don't know who it is? And Cyrus is supposed to know everything

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about us, what the president is doing?

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Yes, what else?

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G what are Oh? There's so much good Quinn.

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Hawks, so much good stuff.

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Really like the beginning of Quinn. It's a lot

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of Quinn Hawk shit, Like you know what I remember,

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g yeah, can you remember any of it?

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You know what I remember from about

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this episode is how much I enjoyed shooting

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it, because whenever we were on location,

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it was just fun. We were out out

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of you know, the studios. We weren't in the OPA

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office, which was you know, that was fun

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too, of course, but when we got to go

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outside and be like in downtown

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La or in Pasadena, and the fact

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that it was just you, me and you shooting

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this episode, like I think it was pretty much you and

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I together this whole episode.

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Yeah, this is the whole work. We're following.

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We're following the mole, the

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White House.

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Mole who's great in Osbourne, played

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by Kurt Fuller, and

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and you're not really helping, like you're saying,

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I'm like, okay, well he's going to make the drop in plane

11:20

daylight, and so I'm like following him around

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and we stop at a dry cleaners, and you're

11:25

letting Quinn do the whole stalking

11:27

work. But Quinn like keeps fucking.

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Yeah, he wants he to get her feet, he wants her to get

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her feet wet and just you know, get in there,

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really dive in and experience what it's

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like.

11:36

And so she waits, my love it. She waits behind

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Grade and Fuller in the line for the

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cleaners, and she's like, holy shit, I feel

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like he's making the drop. There's like sketchy shit going

11:45

on. And they're like, okay, next customer,

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what would you like to drop off for your dry

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cleaning? And Quinn's like ugh, and

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she just gives her her shirt off

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of her back.

11:55

The next shot we see it's just you in

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a.

11:57

Bra, just made a bra. And I'm like

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walking to the car, like so mortified

12:02

and embarrassed and made such a rookie

12:04

ass mistakes.

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Isn't like, see you weren't prepared. You should

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have been prepared or something like that. How

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did you feel shooting that shooting that scene?

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Were you like, well, I remember so stupid.

12:14

I remember being so wildly insecure because

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I was like fitting with Lynn Paolow,

12:19

like what I would be wearing

12:22

the.

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Yeah and my.

12:25

Boobs and like how high up

12:28

were they? How low were they? And I just remember

12:30

being like, ugh, being a girl

12:32

is so stupid. Like

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it was just like very like I

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felt a little bit. I can remember feeling

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insecure about my like chest

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or what it looked like. I can remember that feeling.

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Of course, I wish we were all able

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to Like now, looking

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at these episodes that we shot so long ago, I'm

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like, damn, you look pretty good, gear,

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Imo, you look like but in the moment,

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you know what I mean, we're all so overly

12:58

critical about our look looks or our weight or

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whatever. And then years

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passed and you're like, wait a minute, motherfucker.

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You look. Why didn't I enjoy myself a

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lot more when I was in that time,

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you know what I mean?

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Macket photos all the time before I had two kids,

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and I'm like, why was I upset?

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Like? Yes, it

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was.

13:18

My body was great, nice,

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I had nothing to worry about, Like,

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I can't believe I was

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so much harder on myself than It's so weird.

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Oh yeah, you know what else I remember from this episode?

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Also, Katie is is again being

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on location and shooting, you know, outside

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of the studio. But also I remember always

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being like, oh, what food places

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will be around here that I can go to when

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we break for lunch instead of having

13:43

the catered lunch. Is there a good pizza

13:46

shop? Is there like a McDonald

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there a good.

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Burger place, So you are ridiculous

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of you. Wait, were we in Pasadena

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for the dry cleaning?

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Maybe? I think it was Pasadena.

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I want to say, yeah, I feel like I was it

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too.

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That's so fun And you're just scoping out, like, oh,

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what lunch spot? Am I going to go pick up my ship?

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Like and all you can eat buffet?

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Oh? Yeah, there's nothing better

14:07

than a fucking all you can eat bffet. There's

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one up here near where I live, at

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a hotel near Universal Studios. Have you ever been

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to it? No, it's right up the hill, like right

14:16

past the entrance to go with you. What do you get

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everything, Katie? They got crab legs, they got

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oysters, they got Chinese food, they

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have creams, they have water addict.

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They have Mexicans like twenty

14:29

four to seven, all of these options or like this comes

14:32

out at five.

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It's only on the weekends. You have to make

14:35

reservations like two weeks in advance because

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it's super popular and it gets super packed. It costs

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like seventy five bucks ahead, but

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it is so worth it, and you could

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get Bloody Mary's or whatever liquor you

14:45

want.

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Yeah, everything it

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was very cute. And then quinnin Hawk, she does

14:51

pick up the dry cleaning and she checks his suit pocket

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and in fact there is a big, thick envelope

14:55

filled with cash, and so they feel

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like it is the confirmation that he is the

15:00

mole. There's money being exchanged

15:02

for information. This guy is

15:04

guilty, and we're like super on the trail.

15:06

But now I have to like have this little monologue

15:08

where I have to make sure he doesn't

15:11

know that we're onto him, so I have to return the

15:13

dry cleaning.

15:14

Which you're so good in that scene. You're so

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good. You're like, oh, I'm such

15:18

a dummy, Like I picked up

15:20

my husband's dry cleaning, but I should. It's not

15:22

gonna be ready till Saturday. And oh, you're

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so good. It's such it's such a fun cute

15:27

little scene.

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Gee, Okay, we

15:31

see that Fits and Olivia,

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who have been on the outs for many

15:35

an episode that Fits calls Olivia

15:38

because he's so fucking pissed about the Supreme Court

15:40

nominee not going through, and it's basically he

15:42

just feels like his entire presidency thus

15:45

far has been a total shit

15:47

show.

15:48

Yeah, a joke.

15:50

It's just been awful, Like it's an embarrassment.

15:52

They've gotten like nothing successful to pass

15:54

through. They don't have the rest

15:57

like the people who've been kidnapped, they don't have that. They

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have had a Supreme Court nominee. Like it's a

16:01

total mess. And he calls Olivia and

16:04

I feel like he's drunk, right.

16:06

Yeah, because he's drinking his whiskey. Yeah,

16:08

he's buzzed for show.

16:09

And while they're calling, Live is

16:12

watching Lisa Aiedelstein and her

16:14

character's husband like fighting through the window

16:16

of their house and you can just see like how

16:19

broken both of these relationships

16:21

are, and liv just says like or

16:24

he says, you ruined me.

16:26

Yeah, yeah, and then she's like he

16:28

says something else to her, and then she says, I'm going to hang

16:30

up, and he's like, yeah, you do that, and then

16:32

he hangs out before her.

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Oh so mean. He's so like, I

16:36

don't give a fuck about it, and he's so upset

16:38

obviously, just to remind listeners out there,

16:40

he's so upset because he knows

16:42

that Live rigged the election. Yea,

16:45

he knows that he's not the president

16:48

that people voted for. And how do you live

16:50

with yourself knowing that everyone you trusted

16:52

betrayed you, and the country that you're

16:54

supposed to run you didn't win fair

16:56

and square.

16:57

Yeah, And I love in

16:59

this episode to that the what's happening

17:01

with.

17:02

Uh, Lisa's character and her yeah,

17:04

and.

17:04

Her husband is sort of mirroring, you

17:06

know, the strife that Olivia and Fits are going

17:09

through. It's it's it's really nice, and it's throughout

17:11

the episode.

17:12

Yeah, throughout the episode. The two relationships

17:14

are totally parallel mirrors

17:17

to each other.

17:18

Yes, yes, Yes.

17:19

And then Lisa has the most incredible

17:21

monologue after this phone call between

17:23

Fits and Lives. She goes in and Lisa's just

17:25

like sitting at

17:28

the table by herself. Her husband has

17:30

requested a praternity test to

17:32

know if the daughter is his legitimate

17:34

daughter, and Lisa is

17:37

just fucking drinking wine out of the bottom

17:39

of the bottle.

17:40

I love it. Yeah, And she breaks out

17:42

another bottle and she's like, Olivia, you're gonna drink

17:44

with me? And Livy's like, no, I can, I'm

17:46

on the job. And She's like, girl, you

17:48

are gonna drink with me?

17:50

Yes, And it's such a great monologue,

17:52

and Lisa's just so pro level it

17:54

like looking like she's

17:57

holding back tears, Like how do her eyes

17:59

do that?

18:00

They was weld up the whole time.

18:03

Huge blue eyes that are perfect. That just

18:06

the well up and not the release. And

18:08

I so appreciate that skill set

18:10

as an actor. I'm like, oh my god, it looks like she's

18:12

on the verge of crying, but she's holding herself back and

18:15

it's taking all of her guts to hold

18:17

herself back. It's so good.

18:19

This actresses is, I mean a pro.

18:21

She She's been in so much shit. Look, she's

18:23

been in Seinfeld, La law Er,

18:26

Frasier, Homegirl, was in the

18:28

movie The Doors. She had a really small role

18:30

in the Doors, which is really memorable.

18:32

She plays like the makeup artist to

18:34

uh to nol Kilmer. Yes,

18:37

yes, yes, yeah,

18:39

but yeah, she's she's a stellar actor.

18:41

And also this huge she's a huge theater

18:43

actor. Huge yeah,

18:45

huge New York theater actor. And then she had

18:48

this show Girlfriend's Guide to Divorce. Oh

18:50

I Got, which she's not like, right after

18:53

Scandal, which she was the lead of. Really

18:55

yeah, didn't Adelstein husband

19:00

show or her ex husband? I think the one

19:02

she divorces.

19:03

The actor that plays her husband. His

19:05

name is Jay Carnes and he's amazing

19:08

too. He was on the Shield for

19:10

forever. He did eighty nine episodes of the

19:12

Shield, and I did an episode of the Shield called

19:14

Blood and Water. So I got to work with him

19:17

like years ago when I first moved to La

19:20

Yeah, he's he's wonderful. And he was also

19:22

when I was, you know, doing my research, he

19:25

was in a movie with Madonna.

19:28

Yes, movie of Madonna's was he.

19:30

Called the Next Best Thing, which was the

19:32

biggest piece. And shit, it's

19:34

a the worst movie. Madonna's

19:37

in it and the lead.

19:40

She's the lead, she's one of the leads. But

19:42

yeah, it's a terrible movie. But I thought it was so funny

19:44

and so interesting that Jake Carnes

19:47

is was in that film with her.

19:48

Can we take a strong left turn

19:51

at how amazing

19:55

Madonna was in a league of their own?

19:57

Oh man, that's one of my favorite

19:59

movie.

20:00

I mean, she was

20:03

astounding.

20:05

She really was. She really was.

20:07

Joy and gravitas

20:10

and dancing and ball

20:12

busting and her and roso' donald. I could

20:15

watch the two of those women

20:17

do their side banter yea

20:20

for hours, Like, Yeah, they were

20:23

remarkable.

20:24

They became really close friends on that film

20:26

they did. Yeah. Yeah, they're still

20:28

really really close friends to this day.

20:31

Oh and we know this because Madonna's your

20:33

best friend.

20:34

Well, Adire, tell

20:36

us something we don't know.

20:38

We were singing Rose o' donald's praises

20:40

so much this weekend because when you

20:42

look, we like to this is so lame.

20:45

We like to go on YouTube

20:47

and watch when Broadway shows

20:49

used to go on The roso' donald show and perform

20:51

it, and we show

20:54

them to our kids, like our kids really into the Lion King, and

20:56

it's like, if you want to see the Lion King from Broadway perform

20:58

two songs, usually it's from the o'donald's

21:00

Show and like all the musicals of that time.

21:03

And Adam was like, my god, Rosie

21:05

was just such a Broadway a

21:09

supporter supporter that she always

21:11

had every show on her

21:14

show. And it's like the only footage

21:16

we have, and I'm like, I Adam's

21:18

like, just fucking bow down to Rosie o'donnald. Like if

21:20

we didn't have her in the Rosio o'donald Show, we

21:22

wouldn't have any of these recordings.

21:24

Well you know what I mean. But you know what, no one else was

21:26

doing that on television much less

21:28

daytime television, and and

21:30

I think she she spiked ticket

21:32

sales to a lot of these shows

21:35

because people would see these performances

21:37

and be like, oh my god, I have to go see that. I remember

21:39

when Edwig and the Angry Inch first came

21:41

out, she had John Cameron Mitchell and the Angry Inch

21:44

on and they did they did a song

21:46

our Engine Origin of Love, I think they did, and

21:48

it was Yeah, she did this for so so many

21:50

shows.

21:50

She's amazing. That was so amazing.

21:53

I saw a musical when I was studying abroad

21:55

in London. I was studying in the Hill Academy

21:58

of Dramatic as she was produced sing

22:00

a musical about boy George called

22:03

Taboo.

22:03

Yes, Yeah, Yeah. I was on Broadway for a short

22:06

time.

22:06

And she transferred it to Broadway and it did

22:08

not It did unbelievable in England,

22:11

Like it was one of those ones that I think Brits

22:13

felt such a connection to boy George,

22:15

like they're you know, they

22:18

had they love him. And I don't think it.

22:20

I don't think American

22:22

Broadway audiences really connect to boy

22:25

George. But I saw it in England

22:27

when I was there, and I

22:30

loved it and Bramma Rosie

22:32

o'donald from making a stamp

22:34

trying to bring it to America.

22:36

I met Rosie O'Donnell when I went

22:38

to New York years ago when when

22:42

fucking Hillary Clinton was running

22:44

for president and I was invited to

22:47

go and do

22:49

an introduction at one of the events where

22:51

Hillary Clinton was going to be in it. And I was

22:53

there and Rosie O'Donnell was there and I

22:55

met Rosie and she was so so

22:58

kind, so cool when she was a big fan of Scandal.

23:01

Talked about Scandal.

23:02

And Rosie O'Donnell come on on

23:04

the show.

23:04

I bet she would come on. I bet she love you.

23:07

We love you, we really do, come

23:09

on this podcast.

23:10

We'll be right back, guys.

23:15

Okay, So Lisa Edelstein

23:18

and Carrie Washington are sitting drinking

23:20

wine out of their bottles and they're

23:22

lonely. That's what I wrote in my notes. It's like

23:24

this is so lonely that betrayal

23:27

really has a price, and that's where this episode

23:30

is mirroring. It's like Lisa betrayed her

23:32

husband by cheating on him, and Olivia betrayed

23:34

fits by rigging the election, and they

23:36

are so sort of left alone with their betrayal,

23:39

and it's like all they have and their

23:41

wine.

23:43

I love I love that. Olivia is like, yeah,

23:46

you betrayed him, but also at

23:48

the moment, you did the best you could,

23:50

You did the best you knew

23:53

how you know? And she she's also

23:55

I think she's trying to Olivia is obviously

23:57

trying to heal herself with her own words as

23:59

well. But yeah, yeaheah, super

24:02

powerful.

24:03

We've got a paternity test that we're waiting on,

24:05

and then we moved to Fits

24:08

is actually rating kosh Vhar with the

24:10

Seal team, and he gets the hostages

24:12

thanks to the Jake intel that

24:15

Olivia delivered to him, and Fits

24:17

makes the weirdest arm pos.

24:19

Did you notice, oh when he's like happy that

24:21

they that.

24:22

They make like the fight power like or

24:24

the what's that term?

24:25

Like, oh, like this one the sort

24:28

of fist up like yeah, yeah,

24:30

yeah, he.

24:31

Makes that sort of like

24:33

it's like a perfect ninety degree

24:35

fist in the air. It's very

24:38

odd, like.

24:39

A ninety degree Fits. Yo.

24:42

I was gonna ask you, Katie. So Olivia

24:45

provides this this information to

24:47

Jake to give to Fits. Did she do

24:49

that because she felt bad? For everything

24:52

she's done because of the the rigging

24:54

the election and all of that. I don't remember how

24:57

that happened or why why she's

25:00

giving Jake this information to give to the White

25:02

House, right, I think that was part of

25:04

it.

25:05

I think they she did. She get the information

25:08

because it was on that girl's computer

25:10

who died next to David Rosen.

25:13

Oh right, right right.

25:15

They talk about that.

25:16

It's something the episode the Mole or

25:18

something was some of the information that

25:21

was on the girl who was murdered next

25:23

to David Rosen's computer because she was

25:25

sleeping with all these dudes to get information, so

25:28

she had some intel on that, and

25:30

I feel like it's from that computer. I don't

25:32

know why Olivia gives it to Jake,

25:34

though, I guess, oh,

25:37

it has to be because she is

25:39

still wanting fits to be successful

25:42

as a president, like she still like feels

25:44

so bad, but like he is

25:46

still the president and she's like, fuck if I just give this

25:49

give out this information to save

25:51

hostages, but also it's going to give his presidential

25:54

you know run, such a such

25:56

a bump and such a huge success,

25:59

like yeah, you know, remember it's like when

26:01

Obama got Osama bin

26:03

Laden I mean, it was like a huge,

26:07

huge moment. But anyway,

26:09

I think that's why I wonder if

26:11

this is based on that. Actually, I remember

26:14

when we went to the White House to visit during

26:16

one of the White House Correspondent dinners, and when you

26:18

take a tour of the West Wing, the president

26:21

I think is allowed to like change all

26:23

the amazing black and white photos of

26:25

their presidency that are featured in the

26:27

hallways that you're walking up and down, and they

26:29

have that huge famous photo of Barack

26:32

Obama and Hillary

26:34

Clinton with her hands over.

26:36

Her mouth in that situation room, but

26:38

in the situation.

26:39

Room right when they were about to find

26:41

out if they got Osama bin Laden.

26:43

Oh shit, I don't remember that.

26:45

I remember Hillary Clinton got flack for like

26:47

what she looked like in that moment because people thought she was

26:49

like emotional.

26:50

I'm like, fuck you, flack

26:52

for everything. So this

26:56

was definitely an ego boost for Fits when

26:58

this he.

26:59

Got finally gets a win, He finally

27:02

finally gets a win. And then Jake

27:04

I wrote, beats the shit out of a pop

27:06

a razzi who got a pick of him and live uh

27:09

huh uh huh. So when

27:11

Olivia's passing Jake, this intel and

27:13

this information. It's there's

27:16

a paparazzi who's trying to get pictures of Lisa

27:18

Edelstein's character and he manages to get

27:20

a picture of Live and Jake and lives like

27:22

it's fine whatever, but we also like, oh shit,

27:25

Jake is fucked because fits

27:27

can't know that Jake and Live were

27:30

sort of like working together. Jake's playing

27:32

all sides because he's shady,

27:35

he is, and.

27:36

Then there's this great scene where Jake goes

27:38

and beats up this photographer to get the film. I

27:40

was wondering that Jake, did Scott

27:43

do that stunt? Did he do the beat up? Because

27:45

because Jake is wearing a ski mask,

27:47

so it could have been a stunt guy. But I don't remember if if

27:50

Scott did it or if it was a stunt guy.

27:52

I feel like it was Scott.

27:53

But we'll ask Scott when he comes on the

27:56

list, well put on the list of things.

27:57

Like that Folly comes back. We got shit to ask him.

28:00

Now. The lovely part of this is Harrison

28:02

and Abby working together. They have an amazing

28:04

like Gladiator. Oh this line

28:07

that became famous, which was like Abby

28:10

saying Harrison, it feels really bad

28:12

that he broke up her relationship with David Rosa,

28:14

because they really did have feelings for each other. And Abby's

28:16

like totally nonchalantly throwing it all away

28:18

and being like, whatever, it's fine. I just didn't know that we

28:20

were gladiators first and people second.

28:23

I love that she was so cold in this scene,

28:26

and you could sense Harrison's desperation

28:29

to try to get through to her to be like, hey, look

28:32

what about our connection? And

28:35

I love another line that he says to her. He says, you're

28:37

exactly the same but completely different,

28:39

and she's like, no, it's fine. I'm

28:41

just now, I'm just aware of how this is going to work

28:43

and moving forward. I'm you

28:46

know, this is what I'm prepared for now.

28:48

And he's like, ah, you could just feel

28:50

his like, oh, is just feeling

28:53

so bad and he just wants her back.

28:55

And the whole time, they don't know if they're going to be able to save

28:57

Lisa Aidelstein's marriage, but they're working their ass

28:59

off to try to save her job, which

29:02

is under scrutiny from the morality

29:04

clause because they don't know if the CEO could

29:07

have such a public affair and

29:09

Harrison and Abbey go into a board meeting with an

29:12

empty box and they put on this whole show

29:14

like they've got dirt on all the board members

29:16

and they're gonna start airing it out. And

29:19

they've got to the count of three to

29:22

decide if everyone's going to just put their dicks

29:24

out on the.

29:24

Table naked together. Yeah, all right, we're

29:26

all gonna get naked together together.

29:29

This is one of my favorite favorite

29:31

scenes. It is so good.

29:34

It's such a great like revenge

29:36

scene, not revenge,

29:38

but like it's such a satisfying scene.

29:41

Because all these are taking these.

29:44

Douchebags, all these white dudes are just sitting

29:46

around being like, yeah, she fucked up. There's

29:49

a morality clause and you know, Abby and Harrison

29:51

come in and they're like, how innocent are

29:53

all of you? Have any of you had you

29:56

know, morality like

29:58

issues, like what the fuck have you got done? Because we

30:00

got it all in this box but they don't got shit

30:02

in that box. But they all back down of course,

30:05

because they're like, oh, just like, oh.

30:07

Yeah, we been cheating right and left really

30:09

bad shit.

30:10

Such a great scene.

30:11

It's a great scene. And then we jump

30:14

to the paternity test. Information,

30:18

he rips it up and he doesn't need

30:21

or want to know because he is

30:23

this girl's father, regardless

30:26

whether it's biological or not. And

30:30

Melly comes to Cyrus's office and you

30:32

realize that Mellie and Cyrus are both on the

30:35

outs with fits and that they're both being

30:37

cheated on because they realize that the person who's having

30:39

the late night meetings three times a week in the Oval office

30:41

is Jake. Then Jake,

30:43

Shaite, what say gee?

30:44

I was just gonna say, But then Melly has a wonderful

30:47

line where she's like, she actually says, he's

30:49

not cheating on me, he's cheating on you, because

30:52

you know, Melly, for a second thought, it was you

30:54

know about him in Olivia, but it wasn't

30:56

it. It's about this other dude, Jake Ballard,

30:59

And she's like, the fuck, he's cheating on your

31:01

ass, not mine.

31:03

And then with the big like end

31:06

of the episode, Jake goes to Live's

31:08

house and does the creepiest

31:11

my look to the camera

31:14

where he knows he has got surveillance

31:17

set up on her, and it's so creepy

31:20

and we don't know what Jake's

31:22

intentions are. We don't know why he's watching

31:25

live. I mean we do because we know that Fits

31:27

hired him to do so, but like we don't know

31:29

if he's good or bad, or if he likes

31:31

her, or if he's faking it, or like, what

31:34

the fuck is this guy doing.

31:35

People didn't know what to make of Jake, especially

31:38

in the very beginning. People were like, totally

31:40

hated the fuck out of him.

31:42

Remember it was bad, hated

31:45

him. And then the

31:47

last second of the episode is that Osborne,

31:50

who we think is the mole, looks at picks

31:53

surveillance photos of Quinn at

31:55

the dry cleaners. So Quinn didn't

31:57

do a good job. It's talking at all.

32:01

But those were some cute photos. I was like, Oh,

32:03

she looks cute, she looks good.

32:07

Yeah, those hot angle shots.

32:09

It was good. You looked good, was you know what?

32:11

I was thinking about you the whole time?

32:14

Because there's all these scenes of Quinn

32:16

walking up and down the street

32:19

following him to the dry

32:21

cleaner, and my skirt is just literally

32:24

doing circles and circles.

32:26

And circle damn pencil skirt.

32:28

Around my fucking spanks like

32:30

I used to be in spank shorts.

32:33

Oh, and I was wearing my Jessica Simpson heels

32:36

and those fucking pencil skirts that every

32:39

time I took a step would just spin three

32:41

sixties like this was supposed

32:43

to be lying, you know, on myat

32:45

It was just a mess. It was such a mess. Fun

32:49

facts in this episode is that there's an editing

32:52

edu Did you catch that editing error?

32:54

I didn't until I read it in our notes.

32:57

Fun facts editing error. Around minute

32:59

twenty two and forty seconds, we watch from

33:02

behind as Abby adjusts her purse

33:04

and checks the time on her watch. The camera angle

33:06

flips to her front and we watch her

33:08

do the exact same motion

33:11

again.

33:12

I notice that all the time in movies and TV shows.

33:14

But you know, it's it's so hard with

33:16

the editing and the timing and when

33:19

the actor does a certain motion and to do

33:21

it at the exact same time on the you

33:23

know, when they come from a different angle. Yeah,

33:26

yeah, yeah, yeah.

33:27

It can't be perfect.

33:28

Yeah.

33:30

And in the CIA Director's fyi, they

33:32

really do have shadows. As

33:34

Huck describes the direct Director's

33:36

Protective Staff DPS

33:38

for short, is near the director

33:41

twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, three

33:43

hundred and sixty five days a year anyone

33:45

who spends private time with the director is first

33:48

vetted by his staff. They even

33:50

live in the basement of the director's private

33:52

home, although they do not freely

33:55

roam the residence.

33:56

Can you imagine that fucking

33:58

job? You just got to be down they're in the basement,

34:01

Like what I just can't

34:03

imagine down there?

34:04

A refrigerator, shower?

34:07

Come on.

34:07

Also, they can't take breaks to even poop, like

34:10

they're busy watching the CIA director. And

34:12

if they're safe, that

34:14

sucks. I would never want to be the director

34:16

of the CIA. That's alcohol solute

34:21

who wakes up as a little boy or girl

34:23

and says like I want to be the director

34:26

of the CIA, right, And and.

34:27

It probably is all top secret, right, Like they can't

34:30

be like boast about something cool

34:32

that they did at their job to like, you know, like

34:34

a family party. It's all got to kept we

34:36

kept secret.

34:37

That's no fucking fun, no

34:40

fucking fun.

34:41

Oh is it that time?

34:44

Tweet tweet tweet tweet tweets to the time?

34:50

Okay scandal tweets

34:52

at the time, We got one from the Queen herself. Kerrie

34:54

Washington on March twenty first wrote

34:57

to at Ty Lobby

35:00

hashtag as scandal. How come Olivia gives

35:02

this great advice to people but don't apply it

35:04

to herself? And then she responded

35:06

because she's human.

35:08

That's right. And then we got another queen

35:10

tweeting, wow is Judy

35:13

Smith y'all? And

35:16

Judy Smith tweets a

35:18

crisis manager does offer comfort

35:21

Olivia and I have a heart for those who need

35:23

us hashtag scandal. Hashtag as scandal.

35:25

Oh I love that so much too. Another

35:28

queen tweet, Yes, yes she

35:31

did, Katie lows, I'm kidding. I

35:34

was waiting for it. She tweeted.

35:37

In response to at Nikki five to eight

35:39

wrote, lol did Quinn not remember lives?

35:42

Too much cleavage comment ari

35:44

the pink cardigan hashtag ask

35:46

scandal, and I.

35:48

Wrote, oops, yeah, that

35:50

was in season one.

35:51

She tells you much and she's

35:53

in one episode one, Olivia Pope says too

35:56

much cleavage. Originally, yeah,

35:59

that was the pilot. Originally she was supposed

36:01

to say your skirt's

36:03

too short ooh. But when I

36:05

went to the fitting, I told Linn

36:07

Polo, I don't do short skirts. Hell no,

36:10

so can we change it to cleavage?

36:12

And we did nice, And

36:15

then we have our Janey Pitts.

36:18

Dash Murdoch tweeted, I just don't

36:20

know how to feel about Jake. Is

36:22

he a gladiator, manipulator, saboteur?

36:25

Hashtag scandal hashtag scandal

36:27

ABC. Yo, nobody knows at

36:29

this point.

36:30

Yo, nobody knows at

36:33

this point, nobody knows how. I don't

36:35

even know how I feel about Jake at half post

36:37

TV tweeted, does the presidency come with a

36:39

morality clause? Because I'm pretty sure

36:41

fits is in breach. You could say scandle

36:44

hashtag askue scandal. Another

36:46

queen tweeted, gee, what does she say?

36:49

Bellamy Young? Was

36:51

she responding to Darby?

36:53

Yeah? I think so.

36:53

She says, you handled it? Hashtag

36:56

scandal ranked number one in prime

36:58

time with one hundred in ninety

37:00

one thousand tweets, topping

37:03

what is that? Topping American Idol

37:06

by sixty eight percent at one hundred

37:08

and thirteen thousand tweets. So

37:10

we've freaking beat out American Idol

37:13

during this episode.

37:15

Wow.

37:15

And Bellamy wrote the hashtag

37:17

in response to it, hashtag gladiators roar

37:20

remember that? Hashtag ladiators.

37:23

You gladiators are the fucking best. You were the

37:25

best, then you're the best.

37:26

Now. Hell yeah.

37:28

Our next step episode is called Snake in the

37:30

Garden and I don't remember what

37:32

it's about. Do you remember what of that? No, nope,

37:36

we may have a guest. We may not, but listen,

37:38

gladiators. Thanks for roaring

37:41

so loudly on March twenty second of twenty

37:43

thirteen, and thanks for roaring so loudly now because

37:45

we hear you guys are listening to this podcast. You're

37:47

rewatching the fucking Hulu scandal

37:50

stream it situation, and

37:52

we're hashtag grateful,

37:54

hashtag blessed.

37:55

We love it so much.

37:59

We thank you guys so so much. I was telling Katie,

38:01

I'm I'm on Twitter a lot lately,

38:03

and you guys are just messaging me left

38:06

and right and commenting about how much you love unpacking

38:08

your tool box. They're

38:10

just saying they didn't realize they needed this in

38:12

their lives so much. They're asking,

38:15

like, when is Tony gonna be on that?

38:17

We should have Tony and carry on on

38:20

a podcast episode at the same time.

38:22

Oh, we're going to do that.

38:23

That's a great idea. A lot of people have been tweeting

38:25

that they started doing the rewatch, but they got so

38:27

into the show that they're on like season four now,

38:30

and they're like, sorry, I'm way ahead, but I'm

38:32

still, you know, listening to the podcast, and yeah,

38:34

do yourselves a favorite people. If you guys have not

38:37

started to rewatch Scandal or watch

38:39

it for the first time, go on Hulu and

38:42

it's it's on there and you could just watch

38:44

the whole series. It's really really good.

38:46

We love you all. Peace out,

38:50

Lada, allgatas legats.

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producer and editor is Vince de Johnny, with

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