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Wednesday. All right guys,

1:43

well, we are wrapping up this month

1:45

of April and it just seems like things are

1:47

happening so quick. Like, where

1:49

is this year going? And I always

1:51

tell you guys too, Jason and I, it seems like

1:53

at the beginning of the year, we have nothing going

1:55

on as far as trips and stuff. And then it's

1:57

the latter half of the year where it's just like,

1:59

go, go, go, go, go. So this is

2:01

going to be an interesting rest of the year

2:03

to say the least, but. We have

2:05

the Valley on last

2:08

night. Episode two was

2:10

the ratings are going to be amazing. They're going

2:12

to kill it as a franchise. They're going to

2:14

be here for the long haul for sure. But

2:16

just a very toxic episode.

2:19

I mean, from Janet and Zach Wickham and

2:21

Kristen Dodie to Jacks and Brittany, we have

2:23

a lot to discuss. So before we jump

2:25

in, guys, I want you to go ahead

2:27

in the live chat, let us know where

2:30

you're watching from and accompany that with a

2:32

rating one to 10, 10 being the highest. And

2:35

we are joined with our girls. From

2:38

Taste of Reality, Ashley and Amani. I was thinking in

2:40

my head, I was like, is there a different way

2:42

that I can put that? No. Tasteofreality

2:44

.com. The girls are back, so we're going

2:46

to jump in. Here we go. Hello.

2:50

Good morning. Good morning. And

2:53

yesterday, you guys actually had a

2:55

birthday. Thank you. Thank

2:57

you. I'm 45. I have

2:59

a gigantic 45 year old zit.

3:02

So, um, yeah, wrinkles and zits.

3:04

That's what 45 looks like. Okay.

3:06

Wow. Yeah. It's all happening

3:08

on my face. It's all,

3:10

it's all happening. All happening on my

3:13

face. We get wrinkles next to zits

3:15

and zits next to wrinkles. You

3:17

know, what's funny is Jason and I

3:19

have to just show so much appreciation

3:21

to him for this because He started

3:23

me off before, like my family

3:25

never really did anything with skincare

3:27

growing up. And we, when

3:29

we first met and we moved away,

3:32

um, it was probably the first year of

3:34

dating. He's like, what are you doing? That's

3:36

preventative. And I'm like, I don't need, I'm

3:38

20 years old. I don't need to do

3:40

anything preventative. He's like, no, you need

3:42

to get on it. And now I

3:44

look at my bathroom sink and it's like

3:46

it just replenishes itself with skincare and

3:48

things. And I'm like, oh, thank

3:50

you, Jason. Thank you. Because Jason, you

3:52

guys will meet him and Charleston, but

3:54

you know, Ashley doesn't look her age.

3:56

Jason doesn't look his age. It's great.

3:58

That's what I want in my

4:00

40s. I want to not look my age. You

4:04

know, there's something, you know, I'm of the age

4:06

of almost of the age of the Golden Girls.

4:08

And to think, and this is no

4:11

disrespect to the Queen's, the icons. However,

4:15

Blanche Devereaux and I, Miss

4:18

Rose Nyland and I were not built

4:20

the same. You know what? It

4:22

is so weird now because, like, my

4:24

family, I grew up watching Golden Girls. Like,

4:26

that's something that my mom always played.

4:28

And as a child, I literally thought they

4:30

were in their 70s and 80s, but,

4:32

like, they're actually in their 40s and 50s.

4:34

Have you guys actually... Right. Since

4:37

we're just... This is so random and

4:39

off -key, but have you guys ever seen, like,

4:41

the memes where they talk about, like, men

4:43

and women in their 50s and

4:45

60s from, like... you know,

4:48

back in the early 1900s versus

4:50

now when you see like these

4:52

silver foxes with like these like washboard

4:54

abs and these women who are just

4:56

like, you know, they look like they're like

4:58

30 and I'm like, I, what the?

5:00

It's happening over here. But

5:02

then you hear like, people are doing

5:04

salmons, facials and all

5:06

kinds of things. I don't know what goes on. But

5:08

hey, hey, listen, and speaking

5:10

of which, I thought everybody

5:13

last night, I was watching the Valley and

5:15

I thought that everybody Also, it

5:17

looks really, really good. I just

5:19

thought that the situations were not really

5:21

great, shall we? Yeah, everybody

5:23

looks really good. And I was going

5:25

to say, which would also segue quite

5:27

well, that I can't believe Nia

5:29

and Jax exist in the

5:32

same timeline. Because we're so

5:34

too nervous. Nia is

5:36

so wholesome and very Miss Rachel. I don't

5:38

know if you guys know who Miss

5:40

Rachel is. Do

5:42

you not know Adam? Uh -uh.

5:45

You don't know Ms. Rachel Lord? Oh

5:47

my gosh, chat. Sign Oh, Ms. Hood. I

5:49

know Ms. Frizzle. Okay.

5:52

It's real if you Frizzle, but

5:54

less scientific. Okay. Okay.

5:56

Like gathering the kids

5:58

together to like be full swimming

6:00

as one. Am I right there?

6:02

Is that a good? Yes, basically the

6:04

antithesis of Jax Taylor is Ms.

6:06

Ray Till. I would say like the

6:08

exact polar opposite person. So my

6:10

point is like it's crazy to me

6:12

that Mia and Jax exist in

6:14

the same orbit because Jax is actually

6:16

like a villain and like in a

6:19

scary movie. You know, Lori,

6:22

she's on the

6:24

she's on the show. But

6:26

she's one of the two pregnant

6:29

people. Yes. Yes. Which

6:32

i love that they're together in the

6:34

um, uh after

6:36

show i love seeing my pregnant queens

6:38

together and then i'll watch what happens

6:41

live so cute Love let well

6:43

let's get into that too by the way because

6:45

that's one of the first things that really threw

6:47

me off because I always say this that

6:49

I don't know where bravo sets

6:51

the bar on some of these conversations

6:53

like why are some people so

6:55

quick to be eliminated from the

6:57

situation and other people kind of get

7:00

to stay and With what

7:02

Janet Kaperna was

7:04

claiming that Zach Wickham said about you

7:06

know like I don't like I hope

7:08

that you take your own life and

7:10

that you don't all of these things

7:12

I'm like I Don't want

7:14

anyone to lose their job But

7:16

I would imagine that that would

7:18

be well right there with the best of

7:20

them of a reason to eliminate you as

7:23

a cast member So I'm just kind of shocked

7:25

that they let him come back after that

7:28

That's out is you know what we

7:30

talked about across off like housewives

7:32

franchises and beyond is like

7:34

there's no Rhymer reason or precedent

7:36

for the decisions that Bravo makes

7:38

it gets truly honestly case -by -case

7:40

But speaking of Janet and Nia being

7:42

so wholesome watching watch what happens

7:44

live last night I was shook because

7:47

I didn't realize how much Nia

7:49

and Janet do not mess with each

7:51

other At all and I did not realize

7:53

that because Nia was throwing some friggin zingers

7:55

Janet's way last night on Watch What Happens

7:57

Live. And it was so out of character,

7:59

in opinion. And I love that Chris

8:01

is she was like, Kristen was so proud

8:03

of her for it. Speaking of mom, like,

8:06

yep, that's my baby. That's her life.

8:08

So cute. And the questions Andy asked

8:11

when they were playing one of those games on

8:13

Watch What Happens Live. I don't know if you

8:15

saw it, Adam, but it was like, who on

8:17

your cast has the worst taste like in partners? And

8:20

Nia was like, Jason.

8:24

And I was like, Not

8:26

Jason. Read Janet, like

8:28

I was shook and Kristen was

8:30

sitting next to her like, yes,

8:32

it is. Loving it. She was

8:34

eating it up, putting it in

8:36

her pregnant veins. She loved it

8:39

and I love Kristen Doty. Oh

8:41

my God, I love Kristen Doty.

8:43

To be honest, like I have

8:45

a great relationship with Kristen. I

8:47

love Kristen too, but you know, Janet,

8:49

I've been around Janet for probably

8:51

almost a decade and Every time

8:53

I've seen her, every time I've seen her in social

8:55

settings or like even been in the same groups or

8:57

when she would come in Tom Tom or Sir or

9:00

Pump, she was always just such a

9:02

sweetheart. But I also didn't deal with her

9:04

on this like personal, personal level of filming.

9:06

And I think that that kind of opens

9:08

the floodgates to more things. Do

9:10

you, because my experience is not

9:12

her being some sort of mean girl or

9:14

anything like that. But then I think What

9:17

they're trying to express is, oh, well, you're trying

9:19

to be like this number one B on the

9:21

show, like Flossie Schroeder, and you're trying to carry

9:23

in this like villain era, and we

9:25

see what you're doing. What

9:28

do you guys think about that? I

9:31

personally, I've never met Janet. I

9:33

know that Ashley got some

9:35

FaceTime with her at Name

9:37

Drop, Kathy Hilton's Christmas party.

9:40

So I think after that. Yeah,

9:43

pick it up. I feel like after that she might

9:45

have followed us on Instagram I don't

9:47

know but my point in saying that is

9:49

like we have she's very nice like

9:51

she's a very sweet girl I have nothing

9:53

negative to say about Janet I've never

9:56

been on the receiving end of her hate

9:58

like her hatred But for the show

10:00

everyone needs Somebody to push

10:02

the story forward and I think

10:04

that's Janet and I don't hate

10:06

Janet for the show. I

10:08

think her and Kristen's Feud

10:11

is fun to watch for me as

10:13

a viewer. I but I would say like I

10:15

love me some Kristen Dodie I don't have

10:17

that like emotional connection to Janet I just don't

10:19

have anything negative to say about her, but

10:21

I think she's very sweet Ashley you've

10:23

met her in person I mean knowing a

10:25

person like meeting them at a party and

10:27

like knowing them are different things like we're

10:29

not friends we're friendly like She

10:32

probably wouldn't remember me in a group of

10:34

people. It's all good. Whatever I

10:36

don't like watching what's happening

10:38

with Zach already. Like,

10:40

the storyline, like, is making me honestly

10:42

really uncomfortable and I don't like

10:44

watching it. But I love,

10:47

like, the level of shade between her

10:49

and Kristen. Like, I love good petty

10:51

stuff and I'm with them throwing shade

10:53

at each other. So I,

10:55

and like, to Imani's point, like,

10:57

you need people to move things

10:59

along. She's willing to get

11:01

messy. I am not a

11:03

fan of mess just for mess

11:06

sake, especially when we have such

11:08

a dark show with the true

11:10

life that is Jax Taylor. What

11:12

I am thirsty for in this

11:14

show, I need some fun. Yeah,

11:17

balance. It should be fun. There's

11:19

nothing fun on this show. I

11:21

have been,

11:24

I guess, Ashley,

11:26

I agree with that, but like I

11:28

have been Having fun watching it like

11:30

to me. I'm not it's not the

11:32

Erica. You're already like Tom season like

11:34

I don't feel that way watching it

11:36

I think it's really dark, but I

11:38

think because like we've grown up with

11:40

Jackson away like I am

11:43

not offended by it like I

11:45

I feel like as viewers

11:47

like we deserve to kind of

11:49

see this happen in a

11:51

way so Yeah, what

11:53

I don't understand and I

11:55

guess maybe it's because I'm not

11:57

and the same position but i've

11:59

always felt this way especially like

12:01

going back to old school like people

12:04

magazine and stuff before social media and like

12:06

celebrities when you would see people spiraling

12:08

out of control like one of like the

12:10

the worst things was watching lindsay lohan

12:12

go from like being on top of the

12:14

world to really just struggling but then

12:16

she came back and i love that or

12:18

like amanda binds and stuff like i'm

12:20

i always wondered how are you just so

12:22

on top of the world and then

12:24

like you you kind of just get

12:26

like Sucked into all of this like

12:29

negative and toxic, you know situations in

12:31

the environment and it just kind

12:33

of takes a toll on you,

12:35

but it does Now I think as

12:37

an adult I can look at it

12:39

from a different perspective, but for Jax Taylor

12:41

I I can say since

12:43

starting sir He

12:45

has never deviated. He has

12:48

always just been a villain

12:50

who loves to

12:52

just like he loves to be

12:54

an asshole Like he loves it, he

12:56

owns it, that I am this way, he

12:58

does not care what you have to say, does

13:01

not have any time or energy for you,

13:03

just doesn't, he thinks that everybody is really just

13:05

like shut up around me. And you

13:07

know, it's, it's wild to

13:09

see because sometimes it seems like

13:11

Bravo does, and I know that you need

13:13

the bad guy on the show and the

13:15

good guy on the show, but it does

13:17

seem like Bravo tends to reward

13:20

some of that behavior because you're still

13:22

on our screens, you still got to

13:24

spin off after you know, being exiting

13:26

Vanderpump rules, they still brought you back

13:28

as like the main person who introduced this

13:31

whole new cast. So it's just, it's

13:33

wild to see. Um,

13:35

I will say though, what I don't

13:37

love about Janet, like the Janet and

13:39

Kristen Feud, whatever, I think we

13:41

should have something like dumb like that.

13:43

Um, into juxtapose

13:46

against freaking Jackson Brittany's

13:48

huge like conversation. which

13:51

was so raw. And I feel

13:53

like we weren't supposed to be there. I

13:56

love, I actually really enjoyed, enjoyed might

13:58

be the wrong word, but I was

14:00

enthralled in that conversation, by the

14:02

way. And I don't mean to

14:04

jump right there, but like, I

14:06

thought it was interesting that Jax

14:09

also mentioned the fact that Brittany

14:11

indulges in pasta. However, I

14:13

wonder if the only reason why Jax

14:15

came out with him being addicted

14:17

to cocaine, I'm sorry, pasta was because

14:19

Brittany called it out in the

14:21

episode. The 100. We would next thing,

14:23

I wrote that in my notes,

14:25

we would never know this if she

14:27

didn't put it out there. And

14:30

that keeps me asked the

14:32

question because Adam and I talked

14:34

about this before, several times

14:36

earlier in the Beverly Hills season,

14:38

we didn't love to read

14:40

like talking about PK's alcoholism. So

14:42

like, Are we okay with

14:44

Brittany calling our Jax's pasta edition?

14:46

Like, I didn't like Dorit

14:48

doing it, but I was here

14:50

for Brittany, maybe because they

14:52

have a young child that's obviously

14:54

affected by it, whether he

14:56

works or not. So many

14:59

topics, but Adam, jump over. Well,

15:02

I was going to say I watched

15:04

it last night and then rewatched it

15:06

this morning with Jason. And when you

15:08

got the, when you got the final

15:10

scene at the end with Brittany and

15:12

Jax, Jason pointed out because he pays

15:14

attention to some of the most random

15:16

details. He pointed out how some of

15:19

the doors and the walls look very

15:21

banged up. But you can

15:23

see there is this thing. Those

15:25

walls have seen a lot, I

15:27

think. But then Jason and I

15:29

never. So I'm just going to

15:31

tread so lightly on this because

15:33

I don't know. I'm not in

15:35

your house and I'm not a

15:37

parent. But Jason pointed out. You

15:39

know when Brittany was there and

15:41

she noticed the lipstick on the

15:43

cup Yeah, and then you know

15:45

like he pulls up in the

15:47

the golf cart where he's like

15:50

hey, you know like cruise and

15:52

it just seemed like You know

15:54

like he was like hey, you

15:56

know like hey come here. I'll

15:58

say it cruises scared of jacks Okay,

16:00

I wanted to touch on this. Did

16:02

you guys notice the dip? First of

16:04

all, I thought that I did. I

16:06

know what you're going to say and

16:09

I did and I wrote it down.

16:11

I thought the fact that first of

16:13

all, again, I know Cruz is on

16:15

the spectrum and so that I will

16:17

say that does impact how children greet

16:19

people, certainly. But at the end of

16:21

the day, people with autism like thrive

16:24

in consistency and the fact that you're

16:26

constant in your life, which is arguably

16:28

and presumably your dad. who has cosplayed

16:30

that he's always around Cruz to this

16:32

day. The fact that

16:34

Cruz had that reaction is very,

16:36

like, telling to me of their

16:38

dynamic. Fair enough, he's autistic, so

16:40

he's not super verbal, but still,

16:42

he cowered. He went in to

16:45

himself. Did you guys clock how

16:47

Cruz greeted Zack? Yes, but on

16:49

the flippity flop, when

16:51

Uncle Zack came over, Cruz

16:53

gave him a kiss. Cruz loves!

16:55

Uncle Zach, but he's scared of

16:57

his damn dad. We are not

16:59

pretending this doesn't exist anymore. We

17:02

are past the point of

17:04

pretending that pasta

17:06

habit. All the fighting

17:08

that they knew, even Brittany and,

17:10

and I am not, I am

17:12

not a mother. I am not

17:14

critiquing anybody's parent. Well, let me

17:16

rephrase. I am not critiquing Brittany's

17:18

parenting, but I really truly feel

17:20

that even Brittany and Zach having

17:22

that conversation in the pool about

17:24

how dangerous Zach or Jack, excuse

17:26

me, Jack's is with Krusey sitting

17:28

right there. All those little things

17:30

add up. I actually found that

17:32

extremely inappropriate, and I watch it

17:34

again this morning. Love, Brittany, and

17:36

I love Zach. Cruz is

17:38

old enough to understand what you guys are

17:40

saying. And the fact that he's not verbally

17:42

repeating anything, you might think like, oh, he,

17:44

you know, has kid ears. He's not listening.

17:46

He is. He's always listening. Because he was

17:48

in the other room when Jax was doing

17:50

all that stuff, he doesn't. Cruz

17:53

is not stupid. Cruz

17:55

is a smart young man who is observant

17:57

and just because he's not saying things

17:59

doesn't mean he's not understanding it. Yeah, I

18:01

also was raised very sheltered so I

18:03

receive that I'm like projecting how I would

18:06

be as I'm also not a parent

18:08

so I'm not parent shaming necessarily just some

18:10

things that I would do differently should

18:12

I have you know have a baby but

18:14

like I was really sheltered my parents

18:16

didn't like And I,

18:18

this is a privilege, of course, my parents

18:20

are divorced, but like in my mom's household,

18:22

like they didn't talk about like deep dark

18:24

things around me. So like, I

18:27

don't know, like I was like, Brittany,

18:29

I don't know if I would have had

18:31

that conversation about showing Julian your boobs

18:33

in front of Cruz. I understand he's swimming

18:35

and kicking and having fun, but like,

18:37

he's with an ear distance of you, earshot.

18:39

So I didn't love that, I will

18:41

say, to be fair. You know, it's funny

18:43

because I didn't grow up sheltered at

18:45

all. I saw way too much, I think.

18:47

And I was always exposed to very

18:49

adult -like conversations. So I grew

18:51

up really, really quickly, I think. But

18:54

watching and looking and listening,

18:56

I do kind of agree. Like,

18:58

right now you do have, you

19:00

know, like, I think that Brittany

19:02

is such an amazing mother from what

19:05

we can see. And I think that

19:07

she absolutely loves her son. And I

19:09

do think that kids are very, very

19:11

smart and they do pick up

19:13

on things. But, you know, like... Brittany

19:15

and Jacks having these open conversations on

19:17

the podcast and stuff about how in

19:19

the car he like lost his

19:21

stuff and how he like freaked out

19:23

and Cruz was in the car but

19:25

then also now we come to find

19:28

out we're in the house and

19:30

there's bar stools and tables being thrown

19:32

and flicks and he was present with

19:34

that and you know like now I

19:36

think that she made the right choice

19:38

of having Zulee like exit with

19:40

Cruz. you know, and kind of get

19:42

him out of that situation. She knew in

19:44

her head this is going to be the

19:46

minute that he walked in and he was

19:48

like, you're not here with Julian. Where's

19:51

Julian? She knew, she was like, oh,

19:54

cameras are here. This is going to

19:56

be a show. You want a show?

19:58

Okay. Okay, we're going to do this.

20:00

Hey, Zuley, you want to go to

20:02

the park? Exactly. And I

20:04

was like, ugh, this is going to...

20:06

And Jason was sitting there watching like...

20:08

No, I literally have to... I

20:10

haven't been that uncomfortable in my

20:12

own home watching a television show

20:15

in a very long time. I

20:17

was texting one of my friends

20:19

who watches the show but isn't

20:21

a stand necessarily. Shout out Cindy

20:23

if you're watching. But we were texting

20:26

and she was like, I'm

20:28

itchy. I'm like, this is so

20:30

uncomfortable to watch. But also I

20:32

appreciated that conversation being had because

20:34

I'm just like, Brittany needed to

20:36

stand up. She needed to stand

20:38

up and everyone on lines like

20:41

Brittany deserves this. She knew what

20:43

she was getting when she dated

20:45

Jax. Like she knew this whole

20:47

time. Whatever if she did. I

20:50

feel for this woman. Me too. This

20:53

woman. Imagine having a child with

20:55

Jax Taylor. And

20:58

I think. Let

21:01

the script on her making it

21:03

her fault. I'm like. What?

21:05

What do you want? you

21:08

know like it's it's wild because not

21:10

a therapist but I keep on saying all

21:12

the time like I love now going

21:15

and speaking to a therapist about things because

21:17

I think it's like it's it's very

21:19

good um but listening to people and their

21:21

behavioral patterns like I think that there

21:23

are so many people it doesn't necessarily have

21:25

to be a woman it could be

21:27

however you identify it could be a man

21:30

whatever the case is but there are

21:32

so many people who Find themselves in toxic

21:34

relationships and they thrive on being in

21:36

toxic relationships because they want to fix you

21:38

and they're very bored when you have

21:40

somebody who's very polished and put together That's

21:42

not that's not where the heart's at

21:45

that's not where the heads at so you

21:47

kind of go in because I have

21:49

seen a lot of the comments where people

21:51

are like Brittany nothing changed with him

21:53

like you you knew that he cheated on

21:55

you with fates towers and that was

21:57

on some elderly woman's couch you know that

22:00

he's you know like told you to

22:02

f off before you know that he told

22:04

you that if you wanted to get

22:06

a boob job and it was on his

22:08

dime that he was going to get

22:10

to choose how he wanted them and he

22:12

wanted them to look like one of

22:15

your guys's friends girlfriends like you know that

22:17

he has always sort of been this Right

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23:36

aggressive sort of style person. And

23:38

you've had ample years to exit

23:40

from that, but you chose to keep

23:42

putting up with it until finally

23:44

what woke you up was seeing that

23:46

your kid was now being exposed

23:48

to it. So it's, for

23:51

me, I'm like, I can see what people

23:53

are saying. And then I can also

23:55

see why Brittany got out of it now

23:57

and what she was trying to do.

23:59

I can see all sides. It's like, it's

24:01

not one dimensional at all. Every time

24:03

I hear the song, I can fix

24:05

them by Taylor Swift. I'm just listening to

24:08

tortured poets. I swear, every time

24:10

I hear that song, I'm like, oh,

24:12

Brittany, you're not going to fix Jax.

24:14

You're not going to fix Jax. But

24:16

the fact that he's been consistently a

24:18

terrible person, and I don't know Jax

24:20

at all, but I feel pretty comfortable

24:22

in my assessment of him being a

24:24

terrible person. He has

24:26

been this way since I met him

24:28

on Vanderpump rules He has been the

24:30

same exact guy the entire time there

24:32

has been no change and even Brittany

24:34

was like him being sober He's not

24:36

better if anything. He's worse like I

24:38

don't know what's worse a coped up

24:40

jacks or sober jacks like both sound

24:42

like hell like I just I Don't

24:44

know what's work like I just and

24:46

it sucks because now she's forever tied

24:48

to this man Like I wish he

24:50

left love cruise so much. He seems

24:52

so cute and I just want to

24:54

hug him. I was like I wish

24:56

she left him before she had Cruz. He

24:59

looks like it's so funny. He

25:01

looks like my little cousin who's

25:03

also named Cruz. Oh, really? My

25:05

other little cousin is actually named

25:07

Jax because before I met this

25:09

family, their ancestry, DNA,

25:12

because my mom was adopted long

25:14

story short, but my mom's

25:16

biological sister named her son after

25:18

being a Vanderpump Rolls fan,

25:20

Jax. And I remember asking, what?

25:25

What but wow, you know team then

25:27

then yeah, that's that's a judgment

25:29

call for sure But then you know

25:31

like you're let's take it down

25:33

to like maybe a less toxic relationship

25:35

because I'm sure we'll we'll find

25:37

our way back here But then you

25:39

see Jesse lolly and Michelle when

25:41

Michelle goes over to have the conversation

25:43

with him about their daughters like

25:46

what this system is going to look

25:48

like and they're both so cut

25:50

off on each other right now at

25:52

this point and they're both just

25:54

like she's like well this is how

25:56

I I don't care how you

25:58

feel you did this you destroyed our

26:00

family you cheated on me and

26:02

she like it's I'm like guys you

26:04

guys are also like Jesse to

26:06

me is presented as very stubborn as

26:08

hell but how is Michelle so

26:10

is Michelle but then also like if

26:12

you really know in your heart

26:14

of hearts that you know like Maybe

26:16

you weren't the best husband and

26:18

you feel like you could have done

26:20

better. But then you think that,

26:22

you know, this person who you committed

26:24

your life to maybe turn your

26:27

world upside down by cheating on you.

26:29

And that like broke up your

26:31

family and you could never come back

26:33

from that thing. You're going to

26:35

have some animosity and anger. You're going

26:37

to have a lot of resentment

26:39

and it's not going to be something

26:41

easy to break through. You also,

26:43

I have a therapist for you, Jesse.

26:45

I got a therapist on the

26:47

island, but. You know, it's so, it's

26:49

so toxic. And then Q Sheena

26:51

dropping another bomb. I was like, did

26:53

anybody else look up who the

26:55

guy on Baywatch is? I haven't yet.

26:57

But I really quick, I agree

26:59

with Matilda. Um, why

27:02

does Michelle have both Thanksgiving and Christmas? I

27:04

had that same thought. You had to. No,

27:07

because in my first of all, I

27:09

will always tend to align more with

27:11

the mom. Sorry. But

27:14

I had that same thought and I'm like,

27:16

well, Michelle, why would you get both Thanksgiving

27:18

and Christmas when you know this man's alone?

27:20

Like at least give him Thanksgiving. I'm more

27:22

of a Christmas gown myself. So whenever I

27:24

take her for Thanksgiving, I hate it. And

27:26

is she prepared to not have her next

27:28

Christmas and Thanksgiving? Because that's how that works.

27:31

Yeah. This year, are you prepared

27:33

for next year to have neither? Like she's not, math

27:36

has to question about math and

27:38

the math ain't math. I

27:41

feel like Michelle and Jesse are kind

27:43

of taking a page out of how I

27:45

really feel for them is how I

27:47

view Kyle and Mauricio. I feel like they're

27:49

purposely antagonizing each other and doing things

27:51

to make the other one mad. I feel

27:53

like that's what Michelle and Jesse are

27:55

doing. Like they're just pissing each other off

27:57

for the sake of, for example, Michelle

27:59

not letting Jesse use the same nanny she

28:01

uses for Isabella as stupid. Why

28:03

would she not? I would want them

28:05

to be with the same man. You

28:09

weren't letting me use any of the nannies

28:11

that you have. And she's like, well, I found

28:13

them. OK, but it's for your daughter. What

28:15

the fuck? Like, and. Also,

28:18

I just want to add to this, too, if

28:20

I think, and again, I'm not a

28:22

parent, you guys, but I do think

28:24

like I would watch my mom and

28:26

my dad argue over when I would

28:28

go to one of the other ones'

28:31

houses. And if, you know,

28:33

like my dad was going to be

28:35

out of town and working and, you

28:37

know, like he was. We had the

28:39

storms and my dad fixes, you know,

28:41

telephones and you know like helps people

28:43

get their power on but sometimes the

28:45

storms were hitting a different part of

28:47

the state or country, whatever, then he

28:49

would have to go. But then my

28:51

mom would get really annoyed and be

28:53

like, well, then why is Adam there

28:55

with somebody who's watching him and not

28:57

just with me? That was what my

28:59

parents were like because I went through to both

29:01

parents' homes since they were divorced. That's exactly the

29:03

dynamic. If you're not there, why is my kid

29:05

there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and by Spursa too, my

29:07

dad would look at the same thing, like when

29:09

I would go to my mom's house for the

29:12

summer and if she was going to go away

29:14

for a couple days, my dad would be like,

29:16

well, then send Adam's ass back to my house.

29:18

I don't need to be there. But then I

29:20

look at it too, where Michelle's like, listen, yes,

29:22

you're trying to balance your social life, your single

29:24

life, your single dad life, all of it. But

29:26

if you're going to be out of town and

29:29

you're traveling to New York, then For me, I

29:31

don't want my kid sitting there at your house

29:33

with a nanny when my kid could just be

29:35

with me. And well, I get that. That makes

29:37

sense. Yeah. Yeah, it makes

29:39

sense. And I remember it was

29:41

Lala who, uh, it was her

29:43

and Brittany had had a little

29:45

tiff at one point about babysitters.

29:48

And I understood their tiff with the

29:50

babysitter because I think it was, I

29:52

don't remember who had gotten a referral

29:54

for the babysitter versus the other one,

29:57

but they were using the babysitter for

29:59

the same event. I'm down

30:01

the frustration. If you were the one who found

30:03

this babysitter, you should have priority for the

30:05

same event. If the babysitter is

30:07

not being used, use

30:09

the same babysitter. I find it

30:11

wild of Michelle. Yeah, no,

30:13

I remember that drama and that drama makes

30:15

sense to me, but even putting that

30:18

aside, That's how I know

30:20

both of them are they just

30:22

they hate each other right now

30:24

more than they both love the

30:26

daughter because they like Michelle I

30:28

I know what petty is because

30:30

my brain obviously always operates in

30:32

that but I'm like That's how

30:34

I know they're not really Putting

30:36

Isabella at the front of their

30:38

minds because I'm like Michelle on

30:40

no planet would you as the

30:42

mother ever have an issue? Should

30:44

have an issue with her using a nanny

30:46

that you that are him using a nanny that

30:48

you vetted Why on earth would you care

30:50

if you found her or not? It's your child

30:52

I don't give a fuck if I did

30:54

all the work and found 20 nannies I'm like

30:56

Jesse these are the 20 nannies that I

30:59

like you can use any one of them Why

31:01

would you have an issue with that at

31:03

all? That's crazy to me. You know crazy. It's

31:05

it's funny because I had growing up

31:07

I had she was from, she was from

31:09

Scotland. Her name was Jean Duncan. She

31:11

passed away now, but she was like my

31:13

Scottish, like nanny who lived with us.

31:15

But she was also my dad's wife's mother.

31:17

I always thought she was the nanny

31:19

because I was so young. I didn't know

31:21

who she was. And then I think

31:23

she was my grandmother and or step -grandmother.

31:25

And she always watched me and she would

31:27

go back and forth with me. But

31:29

when my dad was going through a divorce

31:31

with her daughter, then all of a

31:33

sudden I got this new babysitter, this like

31:35

this redheaded woman who came over and

31:37

she was just sitting there watching TV and

31:39

she was sneaking her boyfriend in and

31:41

out. So I boycotted, I was like five

31:44

years old, six years old, and I boycotted her

31:46

and I went into the bathroom and I cut all

31:48

my hair off. And I was like,

31:50

and I said to my mom, I was

31:52

like, hmm, well, look, this is what happens when

31:54

you leave me with so and so, you

31:56

know, so like kids really do, they're like, you

31:58

know, they retaliate, they see things,

32:01

it's a switch up. And I do

32:03

understand too, because You know, I

32:05

know that Amani has, you know, has

32:07

family members you've spoken about who

32:09

have autism. And I also have family

32:11

members who have children who have

32:13

autism. And I do understand the needs

32:15

to have consistency. And I think

32:17

that that's like you said across the

32:19

board. But I also believe consistency

32:21

applies to children in general. If you

32:23

want that for them and that

32:25

keeps that is a sense of normal.

32:28

Grants are bringing them out of

32:30

those situations whether it's divorce or whatever

32:32

That's when you start getting kids

32:34

who are like this. I'm retaliating I'm

32:36

gonna show out, you know, and

32:38

then you see them in the guidance

32:40

counselors like Or whatever at school

32:42

and it's like well, we don't know

32:44

why Adam is acting this way.

32:46

Let me tell you My whole office

32:48

got turned upside down. So yes,

32:50

I'm retaliating and I have no constant

32:52

and I have no, you know,

32:55

whatever I will say to put a

32:57

tally on Michelle's side Again,

32:59

not a parent. However, I

33:01

was raised by one. However,

33:05

I think it's asinite. And this is

33:07

my personal opinion. I'm not judging anybody

33:09

if they move this way. It's

33:11

insane to me that Isabella is around

33:13

a girl you've been dating for a week

33:15

and saw her in your bed. I'm

33:17

so offended by that. I think that's disgusting.

33:19

There's no reason why your daughter should

33:21

be around your person you are dating for

33:23

a week. And seeing them in your

33:25

bed, absolutely fucking not. I would have pulled

33:27

up if I was Michelle. Well,

33:29

I wouldn't. My earrings would be

33:32

being taken out right now. And

33:34

too, I think it's to also

33:36

tally on this too. I think

33:38

that if you are dating somebody

33:40

and she is going to be

33:42

around, you know, your your children,

33:44

no matter who this applies to.

33:46

But you're a public figure. Now

33:49

she doesn't want to be mentioned on

33:51

the show. She knows. Yeah, you're already

33:53

on the show before she started dating

33:55

you. So she's, she's sitting the entire

33:57

cast season to assist, but then now

33:59

she's threatening the mother of your daughter,

34:01

which that kind of crosses a new

34:03

line because now your daughter is going

34:05

to pick up on that because when

34:07

she goes over to Michelle's house, she's

34:09

going to hear about what an asshole

34:12

Jesse's girlfriend is. And when she goes

34:14

over to Jesse's house, she's going to

34:16

hear these conversations, whether they're for her

34:18

or not about what a asshole Michelle

34:20

is and how she's making his life

34:22

complicated. So now she's just going to

34:24

feel like she's in the middle and

34:26

listening to both, you know, like even

34:28

again, not a victim here, but I

34:30

remember even being in like fifth grade,

34:32

sixth grade, seventh grade, growing up because

34:34

I had this crazy stepmom who my

34:36

mom, you know, like hated her, they

34:38

hated each other. And I used to

34:40

like fear graduation. We would get these

34:42

dumb little rings for eighth grade graduation

34:44

and then getting right after senior year.

34:46

And I would fear. having both of

34:48

my parents with their spouses at the

34:50

same graduation. So I thought it was

34:52

going to be a knockout drag out.

34:54

Oh, that's so sad. I'm sorry. I've

34:57

always had anxiety about like my mom being

34:59

around my stepmom and vice versa. So I'm

35:01

just like, oh, so I received that. But

35:03

I know Isabella is going to be a

35:05

menace to both of them because she's mouthy

35:07

already. And I'm not saying that in a

35:09

way that like I'm talking down on a

35:12

kid because I was a little girl and

35:14

I was just as mouthy. And I popped

35:16

off to both my parents. So like the

35:18

menace. Yeah, no, I was like, I was

35:20

picture me as a child. That's

35:22

what I was. Um, so like, but

35:24

like, I've already peeped Isabella being like slick with

35:26

the dad and he was like, I picked out

35:28

some outfits for you. She's like, just leave him

35:30

there. I'm just like, y

35:32

'all gotta be careful because you're

35:34

going to, she's going to be

35:36

popping off to both of you.

35:38

Part of co -parenting successful is not.

35:40

only when you're in the same

35:42

space being able to get along,

35:44

but just having some consistencies between

35:46

their two home environments. Michelle

35:48

made it very clear, maybe not

35:50

the most productive manner possible, because she

35:53

literally popped off, but she's like,

35:55

she, Isabella gets everything she wants at

35:57

your house. That's not

35:59

okay. Like that's not how our daughter

36:01

should be raised to want and expect

36:03

everything. And it's just

36:05

like that child is literally

36:07

getting two completely different messages. And

36:10

I bet she knows how to work both

36:12

of them. Yeah. Brought to you right. Isabella

36:14

runs both of them. Well, I don't

36:16

know if you guys watched it because

36:19

I thought in my head, I'm like,

36:21

that's a lot of toys. But when

36:23

Michelle came over when she dropped that

36:25

Baywatch bomb, there were dolls and toys.

36:27

that entire like on the wall, like

36:29

there was like kitchen sets and strollers

36:31

and big boxes of baby dolls. It

36:33

was all over Jesse's house, which again,

36:35

they're only child. When I have a

36:37

daughter speaking into existence, I will likely

36:40

do the same. I'm not talking shut

36:42

on that. But it just goes to

36:44

Michelle's point of like, she's spoiled and

36:46

she gets everything at her dad's house

36:48

because we saw it. Like he had

36:50

everything you could ever want. Yeah, she's

36:52

a little, she's a little princess, which

36:54

is listen and listen. Isabella,

36:56

we're just jealous. I

36:59

think that you get, you know, I'm jealous

37:01

over here because I think that that's, like

37:03

you, you get to be a little princess,

37:05

you know, so. Tell me, an American doll,

37:07

American girl, ball, and for that I am

37:09

jealous. No, I love children, by the way.

37:11

If anyone from the valley is watching this,

37:13

I will babysit your children for free. I

37:15

love kids. Like, I love children. I

37:18

die for Isabella, I die for Cruz, so

37:20

none of this is any sort of critique

37:22

on the kids themselves. They are babies, they

37:24

know nothing, but what they're... in their homes.

37:27

So. Well, in sense too,

37:29

we're talking about like interesting

37:31

relationships or toxic relationships or

37:33

even toxic environments that your

37:36

relationships might be in. I

37:38

did want to talk about

37:40

Zach Wickham too and his

37:42

boyfriend because what just like

37:44

a, what an a wild

37:46

situation here. So your boyfriend

37:49

is from Canada, married, you're

37:51

in love with him, but he

37:53

might be deported. And

37:56

you don't know if you're gonna stay to

37:58

get in but I was like But then

38:00

he's coming to live with you for the summer

38:02

Which clearly means he's coming to live with

38:04

you to film because right you mean him

38:06

to film hearing that I was like are we

38:08

just not even pretending at this point? Yeah,

38:11

it just it was so apparent what we

38:13

were doing and I'm like I was that

38:15

like but I've also never known Zach with

38:17

anybody over the years of seeing him and

38:19

you know like Of course, I don't know

38:21

your hookups. I don't know what you do,

38:23

blah, blah, blah. But I'm just saying I

38:25

never knew him to have a boyfriend or

38:28

anything like that. And then seeing this guy

38:30

and seeing the dynamic, I'm like, um, okay.

38:33

Well, this kind of seems like

38:35

this is, this is a showman's in

38:37

my opinion. I think I only

38:39

was introduced to Zach via the valley.

38:41

So I only know Zach with,

38:43

is his name Benji? Um,

38:48

so I only know of Zach with Benji,

38:50

so I have no sort of context to

38:52

him dating, you know, outside of him. I

38:54

don't know about you, Ashley, but I don't

38:56

know if it's a showman, necessarily, but

38:58

because I don't know otherwise. I

39:01

feel like it was convenient for

39:03

the show because on the show, they

39:05

want you Bravo producers. They

39:08

want more layers to what your life is

39:10

in order to give you more screen time in

39:12

order to not like have you more demoted

39:14

It increases your pay. What more can you offer?

39:16

It's like with housewives like you need to

39:18

film with your kids You need to film these

39:20

toxic relationships. You need to share everything or

39:22

else It's kind of like you have one foot

39:25

in one foot out and the other cast

39:27

members are gonna they're gonna go against you and

39:29

be like this is BS Why like it's

39:31

kind of like what Kyle Richards just did on

39:33

the Beverly Hills reunion. She's like you guys

39:35

are all talking about me when you've seen all

39:37

of my toxic relationships with my sisters and

39:39

now this and blah, blah, blah. And the one

39:41

thing that I don't want to talk about,

39:43

what have you, what have some of you guys

39:45

talked about? And so it creates that like

39:47

dynamic between cast members where they're like, that's

39:49

not fair. Like Jackson's like, well, I'm

39:52

going to rehab, but now you don't have

39:54

to share your boyfriend, girlfriend. What, what

39:56

is that? No, I received that. That's, that's

39:58

fair. Yeah. So that's,

40:00

I'm going to say, I

40:02

don't wish. anything to happen

40:04

in a bad way. I just don't

40:06

think that this is going to be

40:08

something that lasts. I think that there's

40:10

going to be a new love interest

40:12

next season. But I also think I'm

40:15

basing that off of the circumstances already

40:17

stacked against you with being married and

40:19

also potentially being deported back to Canada.

40:21

I think that this was very convenient

40:23

for filming, but I don't know. I'm

40:25

the topic of Zach, because I didn't

40:27

say this earlier when we were talking

40:29

about Janet. I really do

40:31

feel for him, though, because I might

40:33

be wrong on this data. Isn't

40:36

Zach Brittany's like actual

40:38

hometown friend? Yeah, best friend.

40:41

Okay. Yeah. So like, if I'm, if

40:43

I'm Zach, I'm a little upset

40:45

that you're defending Janet, especially why? Like

40:47

I could get if Janet was

40:49

like Kyle Richards or Kristen Dodie or

40:51

like, you know, has like a

40:53

fixture at Bravo, you know, just something.

40:56

But I'm like, Why is Brittany

40:58

caving to Janet when Zach is your

41:00

homeboy from back home? You guys

41:02

have like an investment. You have a

41:04

relationship. So that would have feelings. There

41:07

was one point where Zach used to

41:09

come in Tom Tom and he would always

41:11

come in with Jacks and Brittany and

41:13

all of that. And I believe Zach got

41:15

a little bit, um, little

41:18

bit tipsy pants. And I

41:20

know he wild out, like

41:22

he went wild on Twitter

41:24

and put out a lot

41:26

of the business one night

41:28

after. after a couple drinks

41:30

and stuff. And it was

41:32

these very aggressive tweets where

41:34

she distanced herself. So I

41:36

think that she is looking at it

41:38

with such a history of knowing, and

41:41

I'm accompanying this with what Sheena said on

41:43

the podcast, knowing that he can be very

41:45

sharp tongue, intoxicated.

41:48

And I think that she's looking at it

41:50

like I have been a victim to...

41:52

from you. So if you're doing that to

41:54

somebody else and they're telling me how

41:56

that affected them while they were pregnant and

41:58

other things, then, you know, like, I've

42:01

seen it with my own two eyes. So

42:03

I see both sides. Like, yes, that's

42:05

your best friend from your hometown. That's like

42:07

your ride or die. But also I

42:09

fully know what you're capable of because I've

42:11

been a victim of it. So

42:14

where do you go? Right. Well,

42:16

and I feel Brittany is like her

42:18

priority and I understand is like just

42:20

protecting her mental health right now and

42:23

Her son and all of the other

42:25

things while it's like important to them

42:27

I feel like she just doesn't have

42:29

space for her and who can blame

42:31

her she's dealing with a young child

42:33

and a very Adult child who's very

42:35

dangerous for these files. I receive that

42:38

if Brittany is like Love you both.

42:40

I don't have space for this. You

42:42

guys need to handle it. That's fine.

42:44

But it seemed like she kind of

42:46

picked a side. She did pick a

42:48

side. Like I fell for Zach. He

42:50

cried yesterday and I was like, oh

42:53

my God, my heart. I guess the

42:55

reason why I'm triggered by that is

42:57

it reminds me of the narrative surrounding

42:59

Stacey and Katie's friendship. It

43:01

bothers me if Brittany picked Janet

43:03

because they're both moms. Like that

43:05

will piss me off because it's

43:07

like just because you have a

43:09

child doesn't mean. that you can't

43:12

still have solid, genuine, worthwhile friendships.

43:14

Because everyone's like, oh, Stasi and

43:16

Katie, aren't you different environments in

43:18

their space right now? Stasi's

43:20

a mom. Katie's not. OK.

43:23

And? As you

43:25

can see, Katie's make them not

43:27

a human because they have a

43:29

child now. I hate that discourse

43:31

so bad. And the banner pump

43:33

gang really leans into that. Like,

43:35

oh, Lala's close with Stasi now

43:37

because they both have daughters. And

43:41

what? What happened? I

43:43

garden in there in school all day? Then

43:45

are we gonna be friends again? Cause you're

43:47

not with them all the time. Like what?

43:49

Well, and, you know, it's funny cause Jason

43:51

and I, the majority of our friends, I

43:53

want to say our parents, but we've never,

43:55

we've never even had that sort of, there's

43:58

never been a discord from that of just

44:00

being like, you know, like, and our friends

44:02

all the time will randomly be like, Oh,

44:04

well, our kids are, they're doing a soccer

44:06

game this Saturday. You guys should pull up

44:08

and I'm like, No,

44:10

because you know, but I'm not like that's

44:13

not I don't like I don't want to

44:15

watch a bunch of kids kicking a ball

44:17

around but that's also me But I love

44:19

your kid and I will support you and

44:21

if you want to do dinner or like

44:23

have a pool day or something like that

44:25

where the kids are playing I'm cool to

44:27

be around dad. I just you know, like

44:30

I don't have that in common where I

44:32

want to go to the parent kid events

44:34

and stuff like that, you know, but this

44:36

narrative again, none of us on this call

44:38

or have biological children.

44:41

But I'm just like, so I, I would

44:43

be really offended if someone was like,

44:45

your friendship isn't as valuable to me right

44:47

now because you didn't birth a child.

44:49

So therefore, like, we're going to be distant

44:51

from each other. We'll check in on

44:54

social media. But like, I'm going to go

44:56

hang out with my moms, all the

44:58

kids in like within one month of each

45:00

other, because like, they get me now.

45:02

And then like, don't get me right now.

45:04

And it's like, what the fuck, I

45:06

will be at your house. Basing your kid

45:08

we can do face masks like that

45:10

is so offensive to me And I know

45:12

I'm projecting right now, but I feel

45:14

like Brittany aligned with Janet simply because they

45:16

both have having children and that's ridiculous

45:18

But I also think to to piggyback on

45:21

this conversation and play devil's advocate. I

45:23

think that it is Based off of the

45:25

circumstance like if you before you were

45:27

a parent truly but if your bond was

45:29

just going out together and getting interrogated

45:31

and you know having like this really like

45:33

crazy, insane party lifestyle. And you were

45:35

just doing all of the pasta and the

45:37

things and blah, blah, blah. And

45:39

now that's not your life. Your life

45:41

is more centered around a child. So

45:43

then it really puts it in perspective.

45:45

Like, did we have a whole

45:47

lot in common? I think that's fair

45:50

to evaluate those things. But, you know, that

45:52

wasn't the, for the point that you

45:54

made, that wasn't the, that wasn't the case

45:56

for Stacey and Katie. They had, it

45:58

was so much more than just like a

46:00

going out relationship and all of that. Yeah,

46:04

I feel Amani's anger on this so much.

46:07

Anger. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. You

46:09

are a woman of color, and I just

46:11

said that you were angry, and I

46:13

didn't like - Oh my God. I am

46:15

so sorry, but like you would just sad,

46:17

like you - No, I'm angry. I'm angry,

46:19

and I am with you like - only

46:22

in friendships. I feel because I am

46:24

a grown -ass woman who has no

46:26

the choice not to have children in

46:28

life That my value in my life

46:30

is not as important When like I

46:32

work like you know like more mainstream

46:34

jobs and it came for people asking

46:36

for time off hearing there They're like

46:38

I actually ran and I'm like why

46:40

do you deserve to have a holiday

46:42

off but not me? That

46:45

doesn't make any sense. That doesn't mean I

46:47

don't have family. That doesn't mean you would

46:50

travel and see other families. But like, I

46:52

am so over the, oh, but we

46:54

have children. So my husband gets pissed. He's

46:56

like, why do people have children and

46:58

think they deserve to be treated with kid

47:00

gloves? And like, everything needs to stop.

47:03

Me and my child, like, yeah, you had

47:05

a child. Good for you. It's also, never

47:07

mind. Let me not, because I'm most disappointed

47:09

in an entire community of people. By

47:13

the way, I'm sorry. No,

47:15

I'm just angry. So I'm

47:17

getting canceled today. I just like PR'd

47:19

myself. Like I just like was like

47:22

HR check in. Do not say that

47:24

you are a next company. Yeah.

47:27

PR and HR for the way

47:29

I'm just like, don't say that

47:31

I'm alive. That's being recorded. Um,

47:34

no, it's just that it's just like that narrative

47:37

just pisses me. But I also I'm not the

47:39

going out friend, I guess. Like I'm very much

47:41

so the friend that's like Hey,

47:43

like let's go to Target and then let's

47:45

go to Panera and then like go

47:47

veg on my couch like that's me as

47:49

her friend anyway So someone you don't

47:51

want to hang out with me anymore and

47:53

they wanted to hang out with Sally

47:55

because she has a one -year -old too. I

47:57

would be like When you need a

47:59

babysitter ask the girl across the street To

48:01

be fair though to like You know,

48:04

you guys know that, uh, and Ashley met

48:06

her, um, our friend Lori, who has

48:08

two kids, great kids, you know, she always

48:10

hangs out with Leva and they do

48:12

their kids are in sports together and stuff

48:14

like that. But then also when she

48:16

would go do sports and stuff like that,

48:18

she would come home and then come

48:20

over to my house, put the kids to

48:22

sleep, come over to my house and

48:24

we would watch Bravo and like Kiki about

48:26

things. So, you know, like it's, I

48:28

think it's just a balance for everybody, but.

48:31

Speaking of balance, too, I want to

48:33

segue into this because this was an interesting

48:35

first Adam before uncancelled. What? Let

48:37

me say this. Uh -oh. As

48:40

I'm drinking Starbucks, that's also not politically

48:42

correct. Okay. Hear me when I say

48:44

this. Any store, you guys, any store,

48:46

any store that aligns with your political

48:49

purpose, I will go shopping with you

48:51

at that store. Okay. I know we're

48:53

banning Target. Forgive me. Nail

48:55

me to the cross. I'm Vicki Gumbelson. We

48:59

used to swap at Target,

49:01

gas. Oh my god, you

49:03

cannot win. Just pull up next time in

49:05

your little family minivan. We love it. What

49:08

a pet target. What I wanted to

49:10

ask you guys about with this was,

49:12

you know, obviously we see Nia and

49:14

we see Danny and they're talking about,

49:16

because they have such, I love their

49:18

cute little family. I think that they're

49:20

such great parents that we can, you

49:22

know, from what we can see. And

49:24

I know that we're not inside their

49:26

house and stuff, but. He wants a

49:28

five bedroom, five bath house that's a

49:30

little further removed. And he

49:32

wants more space for the kids. She

49:35

wants more babies, but she loves

49:37

being around her friends and, you know,

49:39

like all of the people that

49:41

she has access to in the valley.

49:43

And so as we know, relationships

49:45

are compromised. Is there,

49:47

is there somebody you're leaning more

49:49

towards in this situation? I...

49:54

I am a Nia in the sense

49:56

that like I do not want to

49:58

be in Santa Clarita. Okay,

50:00

so you did. You mean for Santa Clarita?

50:02

Because the only experience I have with it

50:04

was the Santa Clarita diet when there were

50:06

zombies and ate everybody. But that was

50:08

the Drew Barrymore show, right? Yes.

50:11

So it is like Adam said, it's far

50:13

removed. Like you're not that far away

50:15

from the valley, but like if you want

50:17

to go into West Hollywood, like that's

50:19

a lot. Well, I don't

50:21

care for kids. What are

50:23

you doing in West Hollywood?

50:25

Right. I think West Hollywood

50:27

is a lovely place, but

50:29

I am not about living

50:31

life squished, especially with children

50:34

who need place to like

50:36

run and play. And

50:38

if I think when it came

50:40

out on Watch What Happens Live that

50:42

they are moving to Santa Clarita.

50:44

Correct. Yes. They are having another baby

50:46

and more babies need more space.

50:48

So they both won, I guess. The

50:50

battle was won by both. I

50:52

wouldn't tell us the perfect compromise. If

50:54

you want another child, Mia, we're

50:56

getting a bad question. What didn't this

50:58

look like? Yeah, they can't

51:00

live like that. Well, you know,

51:02

it's it's funny because my sister -in -law

51:04

Um, she used to babysit for

51:06

these, um, these kids in this family

51:08

that lived in New York City

51:10

and they lived right behind us. Um,

51:13

like Harlem area, Upper West Side Harlem,

51:15

like it was like in the same,

51:18

whatever, doesn't matter. Um, and they had

51:20

a one bedroom house with three kids

51:22

and they took the coat closet and

51:24

they transformed it into these little like

51:26

staffed beds, which was like bunk beds,

51:28

you know, but then the, the husband

51:30

was like, I want to move to

51:32

Florida. from New York and it was

51:34

a total lifestyle change. I want to

51:36

move to Florida so the kids have

51:39

proper bedrooms. They're getting older and the

51:41

wife was like, I am not leaving

51:43

New York. And so they ended up

51:45

getting a divorce over this because there

51:47

was no compromise. But that's that's just

51:49

the thing. It's like everybody's different. Sometimes

51:51

you have two bulls in the situation

51:53

and you're not going to compromise, you

51:55

know. And I'm certainly not an LA

51:58

native. I've only been there twice. But

52:00

the impression I get from the city

52:02

and just Following influencers is it takes

52:04

an hour to get from point A

52:06

to point B anyway? Yeah, my thing

52:08

is is like Okay, so it takes

52:10

you longer to get to what you're

52:12

doing, but at least you have space

52:14

at least your children like aren't Pop

52:16

that hours on top of the typical

52:19

hour like you have to drive an

52:21

hour to get into the traffic of

52:23

LA Yeah, like she said she's what

52:25

like 20 minutes from christen 40 minutes

52:27

from christen it's like but also Okay?

52:30

Like, I just don't care. How

52:32

long have you been going out with four kids? Like,

52:35

I don't have any kids and I will go

52:37

out like once a month. Like, I met

52:39

my month long quota last weekend by going out.

52:42

Like, I will see everybody next month. I

52:44

know Nia stays in the streets. Like, whenever I

52:46

follow them on social, like they are always

52:48

doing stuff. But like, again, at

52:50

least you have space. I don't know. This

52:52

is like a nothing burger to me. Like, okay,

52:54

drive a little bit longer. Yeah, well, and

52:56

you know, also too, because this is the one

52:58

person who we didn't touch on from the

53:01

episode last night, but there wasn't really much to

53:03

touch on was Jasmine. And I know

53:05

that we're going to get her relationship. That's

53:07

going to be more heavily featured as that we're

53:09

only on episode two, and they clearly wanted

53:11

to focus on the jacks of it all. We

53:13

had to get through that point, I

53:15

think, so we could start appreciating the other

53:17

dynamics. And of course, you guys

53:19

know we're going to get Sheena and

53:21

Lala and Brock and more people are going

53:24

to be intertwined into this season. But

53:26

for Jasmine last night, I was like, man,

53:29

you had a whole 10

53:31

seconds talking about a

53:34

casserole. Yeah. Well,

53:36

at least you got paid for the episode

53:38

because you're getting paid episodically. So that's good. That's

53:40

good that you got paid for the episode,

53:42

but we got nothing from you. I would like

53:44

to learn more about Jasmine. you

53:48

know, in a measurement or whatever the word

53:50

is into the group. Like, I want to

53:52

see more of her because I don't, you

53:54

know, we don't know much of her story.

53:56

Yeah, she could spend Jasmine on this.

53:59

I think we're at a dangerous

54:01

place. I'm going to say real, I'm

54:03

calling out the Real Housewives of

54:05

New York, the new class. Everybody

54:07

wants to be the main character.

54:10

For every Mary, there's a

54:12

rhoda. Not everybody's

54:14

gonna be the main character. There's

54:16

a blossom. There's a six You're

54:18

not going like when everybody wants

54:21

to be the main character They're

54:23

making up things to make themselves

54:25

seem relevant when to like drive

54:27

these quote -unquote storylines Sometimes and

54:29

that was the beauty about the

54:31

old cat not all the legacy

54:33

cast of negative of Ronnie was

54:35

they would like Sonia Morgan would just be

54:37

fine sitting in the background of scenes because

54:40

she didn't need to be the main character.

54:42

They all went through those things where it

54:44

just wasn't about them and they were okay

54:46

with it. Like if Jasmine doesn't have all

54:48

this, if they're like, I'd rather her just

54:50

talk about casseroles. I thought it was funny.

54:53

I'd rather that than her like to try

54:55

to make something up to get screen

54:57

time. I agree, Ashley. Um,

55:00

I always said I never wanted to be

55:02

Kylie Jenner. I wanted to be Jordan Woods.

55:04

Like I never wanted to be the person

55:06

that's like, this is just me. First of

55:08

all, Jordan Woods fumbled her bag and I'll forever

55:10

be mad at her for that. But we're

55:12

old. Um. I don't

55:14

want to be Kim Kardashian. I want to

55:16

be in your circle where I had

55:18

every single perk that you have because, like,

55:20

if you're a good person, you, like,

55:22

bring your friends up with you, um, in

55:24

my opinion. I want everything that you

55:27

have access to. I just don't want the

55:29

drama. So I'm like, Jasmine, okay, you're

55:31

on a hit show right now. You're invited

55:33

to all the parties. You're friends with

55:35

all these people. You get all the perks.

55:37

Okay, I'll talk about a casserole. Yeah,

55:39

you can talk it. Talk about it. Also,

55:41

too, you know, just because right now

55:43

it - Goes back to what Erica Jane

55:45

said on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion

55:48

like three seasons ago when she was

55:50

like you guys are all like sitting here

55:52

looking at me right now your turn

55:54

will come and it happens for you know

55:56

what I mean when you're on the

55:58

show it's like you'll get your turn where

56:00

things are going to be they're gonna

56:02

whether it's in a positive way or a

56:04

negative way it's supposed to be reality

56:06

and. The truth is, is that they're, everybody

56:09

has goods and bads and highs and

56:11

lows, like all the time. That's just what

56:13

life is. So pendulum will always swing

56:15

the other way. It will always, exactly. It'll

56:17

always swing. So maybe right now, you

56:19

know, if people feel like they're not getting

56:21

enough of her, you, I'm sure things

56:23

are going to happen. We're going to get

56:25

engagements. We're going to get things. We're

56:27

going to celebrate life. So that to me

56:29

is positive, but all in all, what

56:32

a very topic episode. I

56:34

did want you guys as opinion before

56:36

we close out the hour on the

56:38

Julian of it all like I'm actually

56:40

kind of surprised Actually, I'm not because

56:42

and I mean to us with the

56:44

most respect Brittany is the brand of

56:46

lady that would send videos and pictures

56:48

I feel like that's not shocking to

56:50

me, but like I didn't realize people

56:52

still did that actively in Julian I

56:54

feel like Zen is 40s do people

56:56

I don't mean this in a mean

56:58

way, but like do people and they're

57:01

like 40s and 50s and nude still

57:03

I'm going to speak for everybody in

57:05

their 40s and 50s right now and

57:07

say, no, we did not

57:09

grow up with cameras. We did not

57:11

grow up with these things. Like even

57:13

taking selfies feels weird for me. Like

57:15

that's not something that's like. in my

57:17

like code, like my personal code does

57:19

not do that. So like, do you

57:21

know why you'll never find a naked

57:23

picture of me on the internet? Because

57:25

I've never taken one. These people who

57:28

are in the public eye, you do

57:30

what you want. It is your body,

57:32

your business. But when those things get

57:34

leaked, whether or not it was a

57:36

person or like some cyber leak or

57:38

whatever, like, I send you

57:40

to whoever you want and literally f

57:42

jacks Taylor, he does not deserve any of

57:44

it. He f Everybody in that group

57:46

of friends. He is not allowed to say

57:49

who and she was even if she

57:51

was going around sleeping with everybody She's allowed

57:53

to and she was in a relationship

57:55

what it seems like with one person like

57:57

well and also to it kind of

57:59

it Negates your argument. I feel like when

58:01

you and I know that when Like

58:04

the moment that Brittany decided to continue a

58:06

relationship with Jax after he cheated on

58:08

her and she he found out about things

58:10

or she found out about things Like

58:12

it's kind of like okay well you know

58:14

now what this person is capable of

58:16

and you still decided to come back. But

58:18

it does still negate his argument of

58:21

like oh I cannot believe you would do

58:23

this to me it's like what are

58:25

you talking about you actually did this to

58:27

me with somebody who was on the

58:29

same show. behind my back while we were

58:31

still very much so together. And then

58:33

I had to also find out on the

58:35

next season of that show that you

58:38

did that. So not only have you done

58:40

this to me, but you did it

58:42

in a very, very public way, whereas we're

58:44

never going to see Julian Sinsley on

58:46

the show. And Julian too,

58:49

you know, like it was it was

58:51

proven. I mean, I have

58:53

I have a friend who worked at Tom

58:55

Tom and she told me a lot

58:57

of information. about just

58:59

different relationships that he also had and

59:02

the way he was navigating them and

59:04

it sounded like that Yeah, wasn't it?

59:06

Yeah, that's what I'm saying is it

59:08

sounds like he wasn't But Lala crying

59:10

in the after show guy by the

59:12

way, I was like this is the

59:14

stupidest Stupidest conversation. This is so it

59:16

just reminded me of the other day

59:18

when Darinda medley went on serious sex

59:21

him and I forgot who she had

59:23

on I think it was maybe Dolores

59:25

or somebody but They were laughing and

59:27

talking about how sometimes when you didn't

59:29

want to have an argument or you

59:31

didn't want to have like a conversation

59:33

anymore that they would just start crying

59:35

because that was like the best way

59:37

out of it. And it was like,

59:40

that's a good moment, but you also

59:42

don't have to talk about the hard

59:44

things. And I felt like I'm like,

59:46

that was great. That

59:48

was, I mean, in like

59:51

a general sense, I taking

59:53

out the context in like

59:55

the dynamics in general, okay.

59:57

Jax isn't wrong for putting the boundary

59:59

of don't sleep with someone in

1:00:01

our friend group. That's just bear. I

1:00:04

mean Katie and Schwartz have the

1:00:06

same that's just like a general like

1:00:08

courteous thing to do but like

1:00:10

everything My opinion on everything that I

1:00:12

would have said in a generic

1:00:14

sense is not the same for Jax

1:00:16

and Britney situation like it's such

1:00:18

a nuanced situation So it's like I

1:00:20

don't care if Britney slept with

1:00:22

him because she deserved to get her

1:00:25

lick back And my

1:00:27

issue is that, like, Julian just seems

1:00:29

like a scumbag. And so with

1:00:31

that context, I'm like, why are you

1:00:33

even texting Julian? I'm like,

1:00:35

he's hot. You

1:00:38

have a bad ticker, Brittany. So we

1:00:40

just need to get you a better ticker.

1:00:42

Because I think right now we pick

1:00:44

very, very toxic people. However, you

1:00:46

know, at the end of the day, I

1:00:48

don't think, like, You just let

1:00:50

the thong on the woman's bathroom, you

1:00:53

know, with a baby wipe on

1:00:55

it. And you also have cameras and

1:00:57

you're covering the cameras with like

1:00:59

little play cards. And then, you know,

1:01:01

she can still see the front

1:01:03

ring camera. So then that's also an

1:01:05

issue. You're not innocent. So what

1:01:07

your argument has completely just been like

1:01:09

canceled out in this moment. Exactly. Sorry

1:01:13

Ashley go ahead. He just

1:01:15

has like no really like it's

1:01:17

not a questionable relationship with

1:01:19

the truth He does not know

1:01:21

the truth. I'm in Craig.

1:01:23

I mean honestly like Mariah Carey

1:01:26

and Jennifer Lopez I don't

1:01:28

know you that is Jack's Taylor

1:01:30

with the truth. I don't

1:01:32

know her Never met the truth

1:01:34

before in his life Yeah.

1:01:38

Two things I wanted to just say. One

1:01:40

is so minor. I just thought it was

1:01:42

so funny. In the house,

1:01:44

in Brittany and Jax's house, there's like one

1:01:46

of those little crochet things and it's

1:01:48

of a bride and groom. And

1:01:50

he said, you're still the one, which is

1:01:52

their wedding song, Mr. Chenaya Twain's song. I

1:01:55

don't know why I found that to be

1:01:57

hilarious. And number two,

1:01:59

the Ordasa T, the Ramona singer

1:02:01

Ordasa T of Jax complaining the

1:02:03

whole episode. about Brittany not reaching

1:02:05

out to him. Why did you

1:02:07

check on me? And then when

1:02:09

Danny and Jason went to go

1:02:12

check on him, he's like, why

1:02:14

are you guys checking on me? He

1:02:17

just wants Brittany's attention. That's

1:02:19

just all that. He is a

1:02:21

petulant type. I knew you

1:02:23

were going to use those viewers.

1:02:25

Man. I want to

1:02:27

be man. He is not a man.

1:02:29

There is nothing the Jax Taylor and man

1:02:32

should not be in the same sentence

1:02:34

and so and then we'll jump off But

1:02:36

somebody also said the fact that he

1:02:38

was like pretty you don't pay anything sent

1:02:40

me through the effing roof Because I'm

1:02:42

like Jax you're actually a piece of shit.

1:02:44

Let's just you're actually a piece of

1:02:46

shit knowing that your child who has autism,

1:02:48

that thrives on consistency, that should not

1:02:50

be leaving his home at all. You're making

1:02:52

your ex -wife, which I am going to

1:02:54

go to gender roles right now. You're

1:02:56

the man of the house. Effing provide for

1:02:58

your family. You're going to make your

1:03:00

ex -wife go to different Airbnb's for her

1:03:02

to pay out of pocket. And she's still

1:03:04

paying stuff within the familial home. You

1:03:06

are a scumbag piece of shit. And

1:03:09

that's the truth. Alright

1:03:12

guys, well what a way to sign

1:03:14

off, okay? I want one of those like

1:03:16

things in Wicked, like I want to

1:03:18

make Jacks like a giant witch and like

1:03:20

we'll all throw like fire at it.

1:03:23

Oh my gosh. Okay, you leave me out.

1:03:25

I don't need more problems with Mr.

1:03:27

Van Halen. I stand by my opinion. This

1:03:29

is not a, have anything to do

1:03:31

with Adam and Jacks can say anything he

1:03:33

wants to me, however he won't because

1:03:35

he's, we're blocked. So I'm blocked. So we're

1:03:37

so blocked and I stand beside it.

1:03:40

I stand besides women taking care of their

1:03:42

children. So Jax. Figured

1:03:44

out 25. We're funk.

1:03:48

So figured out you have a

1:03:50

child. You're not a kid.

1:03:52

Grow up when it was like

1:03:54

you're 45. You're 45. I

1:03:56

was like, I am. But like

1:03:58

let's talk about me and

1:04:00

Jax Taylor being the same age.

1:04:02

We saw. Britt, unblock us.

1:04:04

You can pop off anytime you

1:04:06

want. Poor rooting creeper. Love

1:04:09

the valley. Obsessed with the

1:04:11

season already. Anyway, I'm

1:04:13

just so excited that we're rid of

1:04:15

Jax moving forward for at least a little

1:04:17

while because then Horrible the days I

1:04:19

think what they led us to believe is

1:04:21

that he's going into rehab right now

1:04:23

But he went in twice once he left

1:04:25

after a very short time and then

1:04:27

another time So I don't know if this

1:04:30

is the first or second time he

1:04:32

went into rehab But I remember just because

1:04:34

we were writing articles at the time

1:04:36

when they were filming He was not in

1:04:38

filming for a while. So I think I

1:04:41

just didn't know if this was the second one. I

1:04:45

think the second one. Well,

1:04:48

with that, guys, if

1:04:50

they don't know, there's a lot, there's

1:04:52

a lot more to be talked about

1:04:55

because I had my fan, my heated

1:04:57

fan from the Beyonce concert. You

1:05:00

guys can see more on.

1:05:02

I mean, this has been a

1:05:04

conversation for sure. If

1:05:06

they don't know the one of you

1:05:08

want to let them know. I'll pop off

1:05:10

on the website. Adam's on

1:05:13

the live discussion page. The

1:05:15

Valley conversation was crazy. We love

1:05:17

Below Deck. I know Jason's covering

1:05:19

Below Deck for the Adams Family

1:05:21

too. Obsessed it's

1:05:23

Bravo and beyond. We finished

1:05:25

RuPaul's Drag Race, an amazing

1:05:27

season, a perfect winner. Um,

1:05:30

we already covered, did you see

1:05:32

the thing this morning about, um, from

1:05:34

the after show of Jack's saying,

1:05:36

I've never body shamed Brittany. I've never

1:05:38

called her fat. Cute everybody in

1:05:40

the cast saying a time when he's

1:05:42

like called their fat or something

1:05:45

about her body. Uh,

1:05:47

Bindi was, I loved Bindi on Dancing

1:05:49

with the Stars. I just

1:05:51

love the Irwin family. I am

1:05:53

rooting for them and I

1:05:55

am obsessed with this. First of

1:05:57

all, he's 21 and like

1:05:59

I'm 45 and I don't want

1:06:01

to be creepy. But I

1:06:03

love that they're carrying on the

1:06:05

family legacy as far as

1:06:08

like being conservationist, the zoology. Love

1:06:10

these children. Young adults.

1:06:12

A great family. I love the Irwins.

1:06:14

I do too. I do too. All

1:06:16

right. And then Instagram, if they don't

1:06:19

know. If you don't know, we're on

1:06:21

Instagram. We're taste of reality underscore or

1:06:23

taste of underscore reality. We are hoping

1:06:25

to hit a hundred K this year.

1:06:27

So if you would love to give

1:06:29

us a follow over there, we're not

1:06:31

as snarky and manhating. Sometimes we are,

1:06:33

but for Jack's Taylor, my energy is

1:06:35

there. Um, but we didn't

1:06:37

talk about this, but, um, the last

1:06:40

night's watcher happens live. Kristin gave Andy

1:06:42

her iconic green dress. And so I

1:06:44

thought that that was a really funny

1:06:46

thing. And then, um, so yeah, this

1:06:48

is our Instagram page and you can

1:06:50

see Ashley with short see and that

1:06:52

was her b -day post. So all the

1:06:54

love there Um, thank you. We money.

1:06:56

Um, yeah, isn't it funny that like

1:06:58

I'm actually like an age -appropriate person

1:07:01

to date like the Tom's the Jax's

1:07:03

the chefs the crags like I like

1:07:05

but none of them would date a

1:07:07

woman in their 40s like And it's

1:07:09

funny because like all the people like

1:07:11

in their 60s want to date women

1:07:13

my age and then all the guys

1:07:15

my age want to date like 25

1:07:17

year olds It's

1:07:21

more math. It's more math. All

1:07:23

right, guys, we'll make sure that

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1:07:39

I saw, I think that we

1:07:41

had really, really great moderated conversations.

1:07:43

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1:07:45

the easiest conversations. I feel like.

1:07:47

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1:07:49

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1:07:52

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guys. So, to our girls

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so much. I loved this. And

1:08:52

I can't wait to see

1:08:54

what next week holds for us.

1:08:56

Yes. I'm

1:08:59

hoping it's no jacks.

1:09:03

I really need a break.

1:09:05

It's exhausting. You might get

1:09:07

that. You might get that. Adriana, thank you

1:09:09

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1:09:11

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