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and does not reflect the views of Tenderfoot TV
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or Odyssey. Thank you so much
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for listening. Jake
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lied to the state troopers on
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multiple occasions about his
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whereabouts on the weekend Joseph went missing.
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And so did Tyler, his friend. Jake
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told the police he stayed in
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his house playing video games all night
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when in fact he was at a party at
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a bonfire until at least 4 or 5am. We
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have video proof of that. But
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why would Jake lie about that? The
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I don't remember excuse gets a
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lot flimsier when he's being asked
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to recall the night he first
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met his summer girlfriend Leah, the
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first time he kissed her and exchanged numbers.
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Somehow that's either all a blur to
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him or he's withholding information for a
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reason. reason. I talked
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to his 2016 summer girlfriend,
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Leah, for several hours, and
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she recalled to the best of her memory what
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happened that summer. She left Nome
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in August 2016 and went back
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home to Florida. This is when
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the very first episode of Up and
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Vanish came out about Tara Grinstead. And
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I kid you not, she started listening to
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the podcast, and she has been ever
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since. When Joseph's case merged
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into the picture this season, she
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reached out to me, a little freaked out.
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Were you already listening to Up
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and Vanish? Hane, yes. I was
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obsessed with Tara Grinstead season. I
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went to Alaska in 2016, so then when
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you put out this Nome season, I was like,
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you've got to be kidding me. Worlds
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collide. I've
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got this great message with four other girls
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I spent the summer with. We were just
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outsiders in Nome. There's a lot
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more that you're putting out now that we
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had no idea when we were there. Sometimes
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it hits a little close to home, and I'm like, take
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a step back and kind of process. We
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met June 25th at that party,
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and then Jake and I coupled
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off pretty quickly. We
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had just like a little summer
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fling. It was nothing serious. We
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didn't talk after I left that
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summer, but him and I were
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involved. Saturday
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morning, the 25th, what
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did you do that day, and then when were you
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with Jake, for how long, and what did y'all do?
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I'm so thankful. I wrote what I did every single
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day that summer in a journal. Otherwise, I would have
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no idea. We were at
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a party the night before, so I think we
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went to a house party. There's
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a bulldog that I pet, and then everyone went to the
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bars, and I went home. Saturday
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morning, we were all kind of hung
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over. We went bridge jumping earlier
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that day. I have pictures from that on June
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25th, but we did not go with Jake, because
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I met him. him that night at the party. So
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I meet Jake at this party. Everyone's
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drunk. All the girls,
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the interns I've lived with, we all left
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together and all six of us were there.
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We went to the party. The picture I sent you
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was from 1am and I know
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there was at least 30 more minutes after that that
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I would have talked to Jake. So
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Leah meets Jake at this party on
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Saturday night. They kiss and exchange numbers.
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She took several pictures and videos from the party,
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which you can clearly see Jake himself in the
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background. Around 2am or so,
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she leaves the party and goes back home
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with her girlfriends. She goes
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to sleep and when she wakes up the next
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morning, she sees a text message from Jake that
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he sent to her while she was sleeping. And
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he texted me and was asking if he'd
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come over. He
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didn't come over because I was drunk. I literally was
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completely asleep and it was like the next morning I
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saw that he had texted me and tried to come
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over. It
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had to have been like 3, 4, 5am. A
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friend named Cam remembers dropping Jake
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off at Leah's house around 5am.
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Did he just knock on her door, then turn around
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and walk home? So many people
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saw you at this party. Why are you
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not coming out and saying that you were there and that's what
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you did? I really have a
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hard time believing that he did anything leading up to
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the point when he met me and kissed me because
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it was just so normal. It's like
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why would you do that and then go to this big open
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party? But then on the other hand, even
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if you were blackout drunk and don't remember being at
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that party and people are asking
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you your alibi, why not just say you're
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there? Okay,
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so per my journal, I'm so thankful I wrote
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what I did every single day that summer in
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a journal. Otherwise, I would have no idea. So
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we met the Saturday party, June
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25th. June
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25th. We met June 25th. He
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was re-investigated, audited. There
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would be enough financial fraud to put him
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behind bars for a long time. There's
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something wrong. I'm suspicious, and other people
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I've talked to are that he
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knows what's going on in that town. I
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personally would not be surprised
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if he knows what happened to Florence and
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what happened to Boulders. There's
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a good old boy network up there. They rub
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each other's back and do all kinds of stuff.
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And the corruption is at the very top, exploits
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vulnerable people. You
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get into power up there and you just realize
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it. You can get away with so much. Because
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the people that you can control, people that
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grew up there, they lived there and know
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them, their families are there, their job is
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there, their kids are there, they can't go
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anywhere. They
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can't speak up against these power structures,
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and that's why the hospital there is
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so corrupt. I
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was the radiologist at the hospital in
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Nome, basically the only medical specialist in
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town. The CEO
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at the time was a sexual predator. First
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person I found out he groped was my radiology
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director, reaching under the blouse,
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grabbing the breasts, and then two other
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women in radiology were also groped, breasts
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and crutches. I
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brought all three of these women to need
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to go to the police and make a
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statement, this is sexual assault, it's crime. I
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have their names, I've talked with them, and
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I went with them to the police. The
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police chief at the time, the police chief in
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Nome, and an investigation
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was started. I
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called the medical director in to my office.
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The hospital immediately went into cover-up mode.
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The CEO lasted three days. It was
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reported that he had tendered his resignation.
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That's a euphemism for being fired, but
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it was a tendered resignation. assaults
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that were not being investigated. What
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they were all saying is that they needed
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data to prove what was going on. They
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had asked for this data from the state, and
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it wasn't forthcoming. People wanted
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data on native victimization, data that
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tracks cases from first report through
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the prosecution outcome, if there's any.
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They'd been working for three years
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behind the scenes to
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improve police response to sexual assaults.
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Police interviews were really victim-blaming.
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In 2018, you didn't only have this
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one group of women, but
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other community members were really upset
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about specific incidents with police. Police
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officer was convicted of punching an
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Alaska native woman in his custody.
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He continued to work in the department afterwards.
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There were concerns about another
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officer giving unauthorized ride-alongs to
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underage girls, and that really
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echoed back to what happened with Owens. Back
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in 2003, known police
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officer Matthew Owens was
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convicted for the murder of 19-year-old
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Sonia Ivanov. His
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inappropriate behavior towards native women had
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been reported for a long time
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before them, but the
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known police department did absolutely nothing
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about it. They
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knew he was riding around, patrolling
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in his police cruiser, picking up
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young women. And
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at the same time, you had a 911 operator. An
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Alaska native woman who was sexually assaulted reported
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her own assault, and nothing happened. She
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came out in the news saying
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that she reported her own rape to her
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lieutenant, her colleague and friend, Lieutenant
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Nick Harvey, and he did
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nothing for a year. He'd been the ranking
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officer for a long time in charge of investigations. He
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didn't create a call for service or a police
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report. And meanwhile, he told her he
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was working on the case. John
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Papasadora, who had been with the police,
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known police department since 2007. You did
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see him in the news talking about
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the lack of financial resources for policing
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and the high turnover rates. Obviously
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they were turning people away if he's saying
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you know we don't have enough resources. But
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was that the whole story? I
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spoke with people who had worked under
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him in the department. One was a
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sergeant, a sergeant Stotz. He had conducted
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his own investigations he said of Lieutenant
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Harvey. He felt that Harvey
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had been promoted without any reason
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to do so and that he
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Stotz had experienced retaliation every time
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he tried to report
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nonsense. What he called shoddy
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police work not going out on serious
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sexual assaults, serious felony assaults, and also
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what he called like good old boy
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network. What he eventually
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did was quit, file a complaint,
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and that's before the 911 operator
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was assaulted. She had reported
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her rape to Lieutenant McHarvey and he did
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nothing about it for a year and then
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the chief knew about it too. The
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ACLU filed this equal protection suit on behalf
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of the 911 operator. Known
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police eventually settled the lawsuit for
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$750,000. I
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can't say why there was never a report made
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or a call for service made. You'd have to
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ask them. They didn't really
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respond either. So the
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complaint was on behalf of this
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one 911 operator who's Alaska
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native being part of a
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pattern and practice of discrimination against Alaska
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natives and against women in Nome. She
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was looking for vindication of her own
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rights to equal protection but also all
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of the other women in Nome. Didn't
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feel safe anymore for
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valid reasons. It
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stalled for a long time because the city wouldn't turn over
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discovery. They had to get a court order to turn over
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discovery and still after the court order they didn't give it.
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I've heard from the police officer who was hired to replace the police. Matthew
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Clay Owens. She had been
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ordered several times to drop cases
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of sexual assaults for
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reasons like the victim had
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been drinking, the victim a
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14 year old girl was not a virgin, or oh
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I know the suspect he's a good guy he
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doesn't have sex with minors he
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only takes you know he gets adults drunk and
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takes him out to the tundra and has sex
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with him. She
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was the lone female officer at the time. She
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was trying to investigate sexual assaults sexual
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assaults against minors sexual assaults against adults
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and you know was having this experience over
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and over again. She
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had written a lengthy document to every
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single city council member when she left.
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Turned over documentation on falsified
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reports everything she had seen
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going on there. The
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city knew what was going on there's just no
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way to deny that. It was
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overwhelming and I was really aware
42:58
of how traumatizing it
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was for people to talk to me. There
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were people who you know withdrew from the
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whole story process. I had sources who had
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a mental health crisis and didn't want to
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continue and we have the numbers to show
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what was happening. We have the police reports
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and the lack of police reports to show
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what's happening. We have the medical reports to
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show what's happening. It's lazy to
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just go up to somebody and have them
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cry into a microphone. I
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spoke to the former 911 operator on
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the phone. I
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was still a dispatcher at that
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time. The
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chief of police he was
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very adamant that It doesn't take
44:00
a rocket scientist to
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realize that policing in Alaska has
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never changed. Despite
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new money, new investigators,
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lawsuits, initiatives, the good
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old boys have remained in place. Florence
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Oakpialik? Oh, interesting. Yeah,
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I talked to you about that one too.
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Florence Oakpialik, a native gal, disappeared from
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the West Beach there. You
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know, her last words were? They
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picked it up off her cell phone. Her last words were,
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there's four of them in the bushes. And
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it doesn't look good. I
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told the troopers up there, you need to get a hold of
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her phone and do a forensic thing. She
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was hanging out with some guy named Oregon John,
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a meth
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guy, I guess, and supplying her with meth,
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and she was into drugs. I
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called to talk to the investigator up there
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at NPD. We talked to
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Oregon John, and he thought that
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Oregon John was the main suspect. How
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would the lead MMIW investigator for
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the entire state of Alaska completely
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disregard Florence Oakpialik's disappearance?
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It's time to revisit the disappearance of
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Florence Oakpialik. There
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is a recognition amongst the native community
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that they have not been always treated
45:56
very well and known. Nome
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has this very different history. And
46:03
yet, Native people have been here and been
46:05
part of Nome's history from the very beginning.
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Flo hadn't come home one night. She'd
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been taken down to some of
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these tent camps. Blair
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went down the beach to try to find her
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sister. This guy gives
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her some of Flo's clothes, but
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she's not there. I
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just know he was a cab driver in town and a
46:31
lot of people didn't like him. Well,
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we know who this guy is. He
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goes by Oregon John. Whether it
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was intentional or an effort to shut her
46:42
up, she's clearly been murdered. The
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cat's coming out of the bag. There are
46:47
other names in this case. I don't
46:50
know these people, but we
46:52
don't hear anything good about a fellow named
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Mike McGowan or Paul Benshoft Jr.
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Alongside Oregon John, two other men
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have been named. Rumors
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are they're into meth. There's
47:07
different stories that there's other
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people involved with John Gerten.
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Michael McGowan is one of them. He was a
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druggie. I
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had previously censored their names, but
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no longer. They're Paul Benshoft
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and Michael McGowan. If somebody
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abducts us, scratch him, pull her
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hair out, leave as much evidence as you can behind
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him, rely on the public to find him. Not
47:33
the police department, because they're not capable or
47:35
willing to. I've got
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a couple friends who were beaten up by them,
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but they were too scared to go forward. Blair,
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Flo's sister. Do you know who she
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is with? John
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Gerten. And who are the other
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guys? Paul
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Benshoft. Yeah. Michael
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McGowan.
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