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3:04

There's a place, Pain

3:06

Lindsay. There's a place

3:08

in Montana, where the

3:10

silence doesn't feel peaceful.

3:13

It feels like it's

3:15

hiding something. Out here

3:17

on the Blackfeet Reservation,

3:19

you'll find cracks in

3:21

the earth that go

3:23

so deep, you can't

3:25

see the bottom. Places

3:27

you could lose someone

3:29

forever. There's so many

3:31

places out here and

3:33

so many back roads

3:35

and there's holes in

3:37

the ground, cracks that

3:40

you can't even see

3:42

the bottom where you

3:44

could drop somebody's body

3:46

in there. You could

3:48

hide a body across

3:50

this crick and nobody'd

3:52

find it. That's the

3:54

wind blue, right? My

3:59

crony is white. Buffalo, like

4:01

Buffalo. So you have your

4:04

Christian name and then you

4:06

have your human name, your

4:09

tribal name. I met Kerry

4:11

Lance, an elder in this

4:13

community. Actually, I'm short, I

4:16

gotta move it up. He's

4:18

been here his whole life.

4:21

And he told me straight

4:23

up. This place isn't safe,

4:26

especially for native women. As

4:30

a result of the murders

4:32

up here, we started a

4:34

neighborhood watch. We'd spend four,

4:36

six hours a night out

4:38

here, riding around, looking for

4:41

stuff that somebody would think

4:43

was suspicious. He's not doing

4:45

that because he wants to.

4:47

He's doing that because nobody

4:50

else will. This is my

4:52

home. I grew up. I

4:54

grew up where I was

4:56

raised. This is my home.

4:58

So this is a reservation

5:01

right here. You've been on

5:03

a reservation since the top

5:05

of that heel over there.

5:07

That's a red line. We've

5:10

had four buildings torched in

5:12

the last two weeks and

5:14

one still smoking. Torched as

5:16

in arson. Somebody lit it

5:18

up. This place was torched

5:21

just a couple nights ago.

5:23

Yeah, that's the latest fire.

5:25

Is this a common thing

5:27

out here? Not

5:31

only are Native women disappearing, but law

5:33

enforcement is doing basically nothing at all

5:35

about it. You didn't see any cops.

5:38

You probably won't see any cops. They're

5:40

reactionary only. So right now we don't

5:42

have enough law enforcement to where they

5:44

can proactively patrol and try to deter

5:47

the activity and the behavior that leads

5:49

up to somebody going missing. I'm not

5:51

an expert in this shit. You know,

5:54

it's just when somebody's family says they

5:56

carry, we want to go look around

5:58

at this area. I'll see if I

6:00

can get some gas money and we'll

6:03

go do it. And we go do

6:05

it, because nobody's doing it. We're looking

6:07

for not just one person, we might

6:10

find somebody else's remains out here. I

6:12

want to see the rule of law

6:14

and everybody treated fairly and held accountable.

6:16

Doesn't matter what the color your

6:19

skin is, I want to see the

6:21

content of your character. The color of

6:23

your heart is where it's at. Ashley

6:31

Loring, who also goes by Ashley

6:33

Heavy Runner, was last seen in

6:35

Browning in June. Ashley Loring Heavy

6:37

Runner, went missing in June 2017.

6:39

Her story should have shaken the

6:42

entire country. Instead, it barely made

6:44

a sound. The Bureau of Indian

6:46

Affairs is now offering

6:48

a $5,000 reward for

6:50

information into Ashley's disappearance.

6:52

But for Kimberly Loring, Ashley's

6:55

sister, the noise never stopped.

6:57

I had to make it in

7:00

my head. It was not my

7:02

sister, in that I was searching

7:04

for a girl named Ashley. Train

7:06

it in my head that I'm

7:08

helping this girl named Ashley. Because

7:10

every time that I knew it

7:12

was my baby sister, I could

7:15

not move. If Ashley is meant

7:17

to be found, then there ain't

7:19

anything in the world that's ever

7:21

going to stop that. It

7:24

will happen. The real justice

7:26

is. This is Kimberly Loring

7:28

Heavy Runner. Her sister

7:30

Ashley went missing in

7:32

June of 2017. For

7:34

the last four years, she

7:37

went missing in June

7:39

of 2017. For the

7:41

last four years, for

7:44

the last four years,

7:46

Kimberly has been searching

7:48

for answers to Ashley's

7:50

bizarre disappearance. When she would laugh

7:53

she would laugh with her mouth open and

7:55

she had this beautiful straight teeth And she

7:57

would have this laugh that was like a

7:59

hyena laugh and we all laugh

8:02

the same. But she

8:04

had done this beautiful

8:06

smile. She was a

8:08

very caring person. Just

8:10

had this big heart

8:12

for everything. This is

8:14

one of the many

8:17

marches Kimberly is held

8:19

for Ashley since she

8:21

went missing in June

8:23

of 2017. So

8:32

in March of 2017, I got

8:34

a call from Ashley. And she

8:36

wanted to come and stay with

8:39

me. But I told her, I'm

8:41

going to go on a trip

8:43

for three months. And if she

8:46

can please wait for me. And

8:48

that I really want to go

8:50

to Morocco and see my husband.

8:52

I'm married now, but before then,

8:55

it was my fiancé. I wanted

8:57

to go see my fiancé. And

8:59

she said, yes, of course, she

9:01

said, go, she said, go, but

9:04

you're going to be back. And

9:06

I said, of course, I'm going

9:08

to be back, Sus. Kimberly and

9:11

her sister Ashley lived in Browning,

9:13

Montana, on the Blackfeet Indian Reservation,

9:15

just about 40 miles from the

9:17

Canadian border. Kimberly got engaged in

9:20

2017 to her now husband, and

9:22

she went on a trip to

9:24

Morocco, while Ashley stayed behind with

9:26

the rest of her family. phone

9:29

calls, text, Facebook messenger, and nothing

9:31

at all seemed out of the

9:33

ordinary. After around three months, Kimberly

9:36

came back to Browning. I landed

9:38

on June 8th at 1025 p.m.

9:40

and she never called. She didn't

9:42

call. And then the next day,

9:45

I saw on my phone, it

9:47

said, last active, 18 hours ago.

9:50

I don't know what

9:53

happened to her, but

9:55

she waited until I

9:57

got here, and then

10:00

when I got back,

10:02

there was no phone

10:04

call, there was no

10:07

text, and we couldn't

10:09

find her. Kimberly had

10:11

been out of the

10:14

country for three months.

10:16

She landed back home

10:18

on June 8th at

10:21

1025 p.m. Ashley never

10:23

called. She never texted.

10:25

Everything seemed normal until

10:28

it wasn't. Just

10:30

go look for her, go

10:32

search for her, just go

10:34

find her. Everywhere I went

10:36

I seen Ashley. She was

10:38

everywhere to me. Any girl

10:40

that would walk by it

10:42

was Ashley. And to me,

10:44

it literally looked like her.

10:46

I would look at somebody

10:48

and it would just be

10:50

Ashley. And then when I

10:52

would stop and look again,

10:54

that girl wouldn't even look

10:56

like her. I

10:59

seen her everywhere. But it

11:01

wasn't long before some twisted

11:03

rumors began emerging. The timeline

11:05

leading up to Ashley's disappearance

11:07

is pretty murky. But I've

11:09

tried my best to recreate

11:11

her last steps. There were

11:13

a few significant events that

11:15

occurred, right around the time

11:17

she disappeared. Before Kimberly made

11:19

it back home to Brownie

11:22

Montana, Ashley stopped by her

11:24

parents house. and had a

11:26

strange encounter with her father.

11:28

She ran into the house,

11:30

closed all his blinds, and

11:32

she was very upset, very

11:34

upset. She said, I did

11:36

something, I did something. He

11:38

was like, what did you

11:40

do? What did you do?

11:43

Like, why are you acting

11:45

like this? But she wouldn't

11:47

say anything. And she just

11:49

ran over to the blinds,

11:51

and she was just panicking.

11:53

But she would never tell

11:55

him what she did. And

11:57

then when the car pulled

11:59

up... But he went to

12:01

go look out who was

12:03

outside and she yelled at

12:06

him and said, not to

12:08

look out. Don't look outside.

12:10

She got mad at him

12:12

and so he didn't look.

12:14

And then she took off.

12:16

She left. And then she

12:18

never came back. The last

12:20

confirmed sighting of Ashley is

12:22

murky. But there's this haunting

12:24

story her father told. Ashley

12:26

ran into his house. Shut

12:29

all the blinds. I did

12:31

something. A car pulled up

12:33

outside and she begged her

12:35

dad not to look. Then

12:37

she was gone. That's the

12:39

last time that my family

12:41

seen her. From there, the

12:43

events become a little more

12:45

convoluted. We were told that

12:47

she went to a friend

12:49

and that she might have

12:52

lost her cell phone. We

12:54

went searching for her up

12:56

in the mountains alongside the

12:58

road. But then it

13:00

was a week later, and

13:02

we still weren't able to

13:04

find her. And that's when

13:07

all these really awful stories

13:09

all popped up. There were

13:11

rumors, a video on Facebook,

13:13

Ashley seen at a house

13:15

party on June 5th. We

13:18

were told that she was

13:20

at this house, and there

13:22

was this video on Facebook.

13:24

It was a party she

13:26

was sitting at a party.

13:28

She was sitting there on

13:31

the couch and that was

13:33

the last thing that they

13:35

seen her. Do you know

13:37

who they posted that video?

13:39

Yeah, his name was Mario.

13:42

He posted it. It's gone.

13:44

Where did it go? They

13:46

took it off. Why do

13:48

you delete it? Because everybody,

13:50

just all over Facebook at

13:52

that time, you know, everybody

13:55

was like asking about Ashley

13:57

was ad and... The person

13:59

who posted it a guy

14:01

named Mario. But when people

14:03

started asking questions, he took

14:06

it down. Why? All the

14:08

stories said that we saw

14:10

her at the party on

14:12

June 5th. It became significant

14:14

because it was the last

14:16

time that anybody was able

14:19

to see Ashley. She talked

14:21

to me on June 6th.

14:23

June 6th, 2017 at 12.

14:26

Kimberly showed me her

14:28

last Facebook messages with

14:30

Ashley. Kimberly said, are

14:32

you okay? Ashley replied,

14:34

always. The last message

14:36

I sent to Ashley

14:38

was that I asked

14:40

her if she was

14:42

home and she replied

14:44

with no. If she

14:46

needed any help, she

14:48

would have told me

14:50

right away. Because in

14:52

the message I asked

14:54

her she was okay

14:56

and she said always.

14:58

That was on June

15:00

6. Just a day

15:03

after the party, but

15:05

no one knows where

15:07

she was texting from.

15:09

I don't know where

15:11

she was at the

15:13

time. I don't know

15:15

where she was at.

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they're afraid of retaliation. Sad

17:29

because back in the day

17:31

it wasn't like that. The

17:33

village was the village. We

17:35

were all together for the

17:37

mutual benefit of everybody that

17:39

lives here. I don't try

17:41

to bad mouth law enforcement.

17:43

I support law enforcement. All

17:45

law enforcement. But if you

17:47

don't like your job, you

17:49

should find a different job,

17:51

you know. When shit happens

17:53

out here. They don't put

17:55

any effort into solving it

17:57

and holding anybody accountable. I

18:00

don't know if it's because of

18:02

nepotism, you know, a lot of

18:05

times people appear before a tribal

18:07

judge and the judge will be

18:09

related to them and if that

18:11

judge puts their ass in jail

18:14

and does what needs to be

18:16

done, then the criminal's family turns

18:18

on that person and that's the

18:21

way it is out here. It's

18:23

a cat chasing its tail round

18:25

and round and round. We're not

18:27

getting anywhere. When they try to

18:30

utilize tribal courts to hold people

18:32

accountable. It's not working because of

18:34

the nepotism, favoritism, and they're not

18:36

teaching the lessons that need to

18:39

be learned. Until the community decides

18:41

that, well, I'm willing to give

18:43

the cops a statement and go

18:45

testify in court if needed, it's

18:48

not going to stop. It's not

18:50

going to change. And it's just,

18:52

it's been like that for years

18:54

out here, round and round and

18:57

round and round. trying to infiltrate

18:59

the community and figure out what

19:01

happened to Ashley. How safe is

19:04

somebody that's out snooping around? All

19:06

I could say is you need

19:08

to stay on your toes. It's

19:10

thin ice. Does that make sense?

19:13

You're treading on thin ice. Out

19:15

here, I've received threats and I've

19:17

been told to back off on

19:19

some stuff, but if we do

19:22

that, they win. You know, what

19:24

are you willing to do? for

19:26

your community, how far are you

19:28

willing to go? If a truth

19:31

don't get out, nothing's gonna change.

19:33

And people know where she's at.

19:35

They know that if they hold

19:37

out long enough and they don't

19:40

find her, everything will kind of

19:42

dissipate, calm down, and... One of

19:44

the problems is law enforcement doesn't

19:46

put enough pressure on suspects when

19:49

they're interrogating them, trying to figure

19:51

out a crime. And why don't

19:53

they do that? Just

19:55

another dead Indian. That's why

19:57

just another dead in you.

19:59

It's one less pain in

20:02

the ass. I feel that's

20:04

how they look at it.

20:06

There's not a fucking thing

20:08

you can do about. Nothing.

20:10

Absolutely nothing. It's cluster fucked.

20:12

I don't know what the

20:14

solution is other than they

20:16

need to put more pressure

20:18

on people who are suspected

20:20

of being involved. So with

20:22

Ashley and them... They got

20:24

to put more pressure on

20:26

the people that they think

20:28

are involved. You need to

20:30

take that motherfucker out and

20:32

water board him until he

20:34

talks. I mean, that's how

20:36

I feel about it, but

20:38

you can't portray that to

20:40

the people because then you're

20:42

going to become the bad

20:44

guy. That's what they need

20:46

to do, though. A couple

20:48

of the guys need to

20:51

take him out somewhere and

20:53

say, all right, you're going

20:55

to talk or else. The

20:57

problem is criminals don't fear

20:59

cops, they don't fear judges

21:01

or courts. and they're not

21:03

scared to prison anymore. Rumors

21:05

come in, gossip. My opinion

21:07

is, law enforcement need to

21:09

pay more attention to the

21:11

rumors gossip and hearsay. Why?

21:13

Because truth to it. People

21:15

don't want the truth to

21:17

get out. If you're going

21:19

to go up there and

21:21

get involved in that, always

21:23

be careful. If

21:26

they think you know something, there

21:28

will be people that pop

21:30

up to try to discredit you.

21:33

And there's going to be people.

21:35

I've had people show up and

21:37

help out on my searches.

21:39

That we suspect are involved. And

21:42

the reason why they, all of

21:44

a sudden, how the blue showed

21:47

up at a particular search, is

21:49

because they're being nosy. They want

21:51

to know what we know. Indigenous

22:04

women are murdered 10 times

22:07

more often than all other

22:09

ethnicities. Murder is the third

22:11

leading cause of death for

22:13

indigenous women. More than 4

22:16

to 5 women have experienced

22:18

violence. More than half have

22:20

experienced sexual violence. What the

22:23

hell is going on here?

22:25

The statistics are horrifying. Not

22:27

only that, but these numbers

22:30

have only even existed for

22:32

a few years now. Meaning

22:34

before that, no one was

22:36

even collecting this information at

22:39

all. Part of the problem

22:41

is that these stories have

22:43

been largely suppressed from the

22:46

spotlight. Ashley's story, it's not

22:48

unique. It's the same story

22:50

as so many other people

22:53

that we've met. The same

22:55

thing happened to them. Their

22:57

loved one went missing. They're

22:59

searching. They had no help

23:02

from the law enforcement. I'm

23:04

the one that tells these

23:06

kids to stay away from

23:09

that uncle, stay away from

23:11

that auntie, stay away from

23:13

that grandpa. I'm the one

23:16

that they attack for hanging

23:18

up the truth and I'm

23:20

used to it. Secrets run

23:22

deep. Secrets run deep. Secrets

23:25

run so deep. Secrets run

23:27

generations. We're very good at

23:29

keeping secrets. That silence is

23:32

not just cultural. It's survival.

23:34

You grow up knowing who

23:36

are the secret keepers. You

23:39

grow up knowing who are

23:41

the secret breakers. I'm a

23:43

secret breaker. I always have

23:45

been. I talk. It roots

23:48

from a place of shame.

23:50

It roots from a place

23:52

of trauma. Generations of it.

23:55

Our reservations were established out

23:57

of bloodshed. out of rape

23:59

and violence. out of the

24:02

killing of babies and mothers

24:04

and elders. That blood

24:06

is still there on our

24:08

lands. We grow up

24:10

there. It becomes a part

24:12

of us. It's rooted

24:14

in the fact that we have

24:16

generations of our people who

24:18

were taken and sent to

24:21

boarding schools and violently abused

24:23

physically and sexually and traumatized

24:25

and then came back home

24:27

into their communities and did

24:29

what was done to them. Learn

24:31

behaviors. How do you reconcile, right?

24:33

The abuse and the trauma and

24:36

the violence that previous generations

24:38

endured. I don't really think

24:40

you can reconcile it. You have

24:42

to heal from it. And that

24:44

healing has not happened. And so

24:47

that's where that silence, that's

24:49

where that secret keeping comes

24:51

from. It's so deep. And

24:53

we pass it on generation

24:55

to generation. At what point

24:57

do we break it? I

25:00

grew up with a shy and mom

25:02

telling me, Desi, whatever you do,

25:04

do not drive anywhere by

25:06

yourself off the reservation. Wear

25:09

a baseball hat. Put your

25:11

hair up. Don't wear earrings.

25:13

Don't look like an Indian

25:15

woman driving around in

25:17

Montana by yourself. We're

25:19

a target. Targets for

25:21

just passers-by, the thousands

25:23

of truckers that drive

25:25

through rural America every

25:27

day. There's a

25:30

lot of violence. Our women are

25:32

the easiest victims of it all.

25:34

It's like, why are we here?

25:36

Why are we here on this

25:38

earth? Why was I born a

25:40

Cheyenne woman if not to figure

25:42

out how to protect the next

25:44

generation of Cheyenne kids? It's a

25:47

crisis that has only just

25:49

come to the forefront for

25:51

the mainstream, the rest of

25:53

the world, the non-indigenous world.

25:55

For those of us who are indigenous peoples, for

25:58

those of us who especially are indigenous... this

26:00

is nothing new. It's important

26:02

to know that as an

26:04

indigenous woman living in such

26:06

a place that we have

26:08

never been safe. We are

26:10

a people still in the

26:12

middle of trauma, still in

26:14

the middle of violence, still

26:16

trying to figure out how

26:18

do we just survive. I've

26:21

experienced it my whole life.

26:23

I've lived under the threat

26:25

of it my entire life.

26:27

It is not safe. in

26:29

our homes. It is not

26:31

safe for these young kids,

26:33

the rates of sexual violence,

26:35

physical abuse. All of it

26:37

is so high. I have

26:39

a four-year-old. Every day, I

26:41

wake up scared for my

26:43

son. And I think, what

26:45

the hell am I gonna

26:47

do? Where am I gonna

26:49

raise him? How am I

26:51

gonna keep him safe? I

26:54

want him to be on

26:56

the reservation with our family.

26:58

to grow up in our

27:00

culture and in our language,

27:02

but how do I keep

27:04

him safe? It's the same

27:06

question my parents asked themselves

27:08

almost 40 years ago. It's

27:10

the same question my grandparents

27:12

asked themselves. At what point

27:14

do we break these cycles?

27:16

Sex trafficking is a huge,

27:18

huge crisis in Montana, particularly

27:20

because we have interstate 90

27:22

that runs through the state

27:24

that connects East and West.

27:27

Ashley was over on the

27:29

western side of Montana. We

27:31

know that there is a

27:33

sex trafficking ring that's taking

27:35

young girls native women over

27:37

to Seattle. We also know

27:39

that there is a significant

27:41

amount of violence in our

27:43

communities. Sex trafficking runs along

27:45

Interstate 90 from Montana to

27:47

Seattle. Ashley could have been

27:49

taken, but Desi offers another

27:51

chilling theory. It

27:54

wouldn't surprise me if Ashley was

27:56

hanging out with some folks. That

27:58

a party was out in the

28:01

woods in the hill somewhere. That

28:03

happens all the time. We party

28:05

in the woods. We party in

28:07

the woods in 20 below zero

28:10

weather. But violence, you're never, ever

28:12

far away from violence. That's something

28:14

that is always a threat and

28:16

always a risk. Wouldn't surprise me

28:19

if she was murdered by one

28:21

of her friends, one of her

28:23

relatives, one of the community, and

28:26

people have just been silent about

28:28

it. It

28:30

is not at all a

28:33

shocker to me to think

28:35

that there are people in

28:37

Ashley's community who are keeping

28:39

that secret. And it is

28:41

likely a much larger group

28:43

than one could even ever

28:45

imagine. Kimberly has never stopped

28:48

searching. She told me about

28:50

a dream she had. It

28:52

felt real. A dream where

28:54

Ashley led her to a

28:56

lake. Our dreams

28:59

are very powerful. And there's some

29:01

dreams that you can tell that

29:03

are real and mean something. There

29:05

is one dream that when I

29:08

woke up, I literally felt her.

29:10

It was this dream. I was

29:12

up in the mountains. I seen

29:15

Ashley. And she was so excited

29:17

to see me. And she was

29:19

just like, hey, can you guys

29:22

look at it? This is my

29:24

sister, this is my sister right

29:26

here, this is my sister and

29:29

she's very proud and she had

29:31

like her arm around me. She

29:33

brought me up to the mountains

29:36

and there was this lake and

29:38

the water was just calm. This

29:40

beautiful sky which I never seen

29:43

before. And it was so clear

29:45

and I felt like I was

29:47

literally there with her. And when

29:50

we walked away, it just turned

29:52

dark and we can see stars.

29:54

And there was a shooting star,

29:57

and she told me to make

29:59

a wish. I wish that she

30:01

would come home. She looked at

30:04

me and she said, that's a

30:06

beautiful wish, this. She's like, that

30:08

is a beautiful wish. It's going

30:11

to come true. It's going to

30:13

come true. And then I woke

30:15

up. Kimberly believes that this lake

30:18

is a clue. And honestly, so

30:20

do I. And when I woke

30:22

up, I could feel her. I

30:25

could literally smell her. It was

30:27

so real to me in that

30:29

dream. I've never had a real

30:32

dream like that. And to remember

30:34

every detail, I believe it was

30:36

Ashley. And she wanted me to

30:39

look at that lake for a

30:41

reason. It's time to find her.

30:43

If we are meant to find

30:46

her, then there ain't anybody able

30:48

to stop that. I've

31:05

said this before and I'll say

31:07

it again. I struggle with this.

31:09

Imposter syndrome is real. I'm not

31:12

a cop, I'm not an investigator.

31:14

God, how many times have I

31:16

said this? I'm just a guy

31:18

with a mic and a gut

31:21

feeling that I can't shake. But

31:23

I've learned something over the years.

31:25

Sometimes empathy can be your best

31:27

tool. And I care more about

31:29

solving this case than I do

31:32

about making the podcast. I'm

31:35

not afraid to say this

31:38

anymore. I want to find

31:40

out what happened to Ashley.

31:42

And I'm going to do

31:44

everything within the law and

31:46

my own conscience to make

31:48

that happen. Before Kimberly's father

31:51

died, people kept whispering a

31:53

name to her. A guy

31:55

named Big Al. My

32:01

dad he passed away last

32:03

year on the 18th of

32:06

January It turns out that

32:08

my father he got in

32:10

a car wreck years ago

32:13

And he had to get

32:15

screws in his head They

32:17

put a fifth screw in

32:20

his skull and he would

32:22

wear these bandanas on his

32:24

head these screws always gave

32:27

him headaches and he would

32:29

tie it real tight The

32:31

fist screw it it grew

32:34

something on it My father

32:36

he passed away because he

32:38

had a seizure. When I

32:41

went to his funeral, people

32:43

kept telling me that Big

32:45

Al know something and that

32:48

we need to talk to

32:50

Big Al. How I kept

32:52

hearing was something about Big

32:55

Al. That was the last

32:57

tip that I kept getting.

32:59

I thought that maybe that

33:01

Big Al knew something about

33:04

Ashley. dog taking gun. A

33:06

short time after I got

33:08

home from the funeral, they

33:11

found Big Al's torso. He

33:13

was murdered and they found

33:15

his torso. His torso was

33:18

found just out of town.

33:20

They can't find his head.

33:22

His family had to bury

33:25

him without his head. When

33:28

Big Al was killed, that

33:30

made everything real. They said

33:32

that it was a Matson

33:34

boys that was a part

33:36

of Big Al's murder. They

33:38

said it was in Matson

33:40

boys. Ashley, she had to

33:42

go to court one time

33:45

long time ago because those

33:47

Matson boys shot at her

33:49

and her boyfriend at the

33:51

time. And the Mattson boys

33:53

just got out of prison

33:55

around that time that actually

33:57

went missing. They

34:00

say that the Mattson boys

34:02

were involved. The same guys

34:04

who years ago shot it

34:06

Ashley and her boyfriend. The

34:09

Mattson boys had just gotten

34:11

out of prison. Then Ashley

34:13

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Well I just found out that

43:35

my dad lived a secret life

43:37

as a hitman for the Chicago

43:39

mafia for all these years. It

43:42

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43:44

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43:46

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43:49

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43:51

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43:53

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43:55

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43:58

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