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Thank you so much for

3:01

listening. Browning Montana revealed a

3:03

crisis. This season, Paine Lindsay

3:05

and the up and vanished

3:08

team turned their attention to

3:10

a story far bigger than

3:12

just one person's disappearance. At

3:14

its heart is Ashley Loring

3:17

Heavy Runner, a 20-year-old indigenous

3:19

woman who vanished in June

3:21

of 2017 from the Blackfeet

3:24

Indian Reservation. But Ashley's story

3:26

is more than a missing

3:28

person's case. It's emblematic of

3:30

a national crisis. The epidemic

3:33

of missing and murdered indigenous

3:35

women, or MM-I-W. Ashley's case

3:37

doesn't just highlight the pain

3:40

of one family. It exposes

3:42

a system of silence, distrust,

3:44

and neglect that has allowed

3:46

these stories to remain hidden

3:49

for far too long. This

3:51

is her story, and the

3:53

story of the people who

3:56

refused to let her be

3:58

forgotten. To

4:01

understand Ashley's disappearance, we have

4:03

to start with who she

4:05

was. To her family, Ashley

4:07

wasn't just a sister or

4:09

a daughter. She was their

4:11

light. Her sister Kimberly described

4:13

her as someone who could

4:16

brighten the darkest days with

4:18

just a laugh. But she

4:20

had this beautiful smile. She

4:22

was a very caring person.

4:24

Just had this big heart

4:26

for everything. Ashley

4:28

grew up in the

4:31

Blackfeet Indian Reservation just

4:33

40 miles from the

4:35

Canadian border. Life on

4:37

the reservation wasn't always

4:39

easy, but Ashley faced

4:42

those challenges with the

4:44

resilience and warmth that

4:46

endeared her to everyone

4:48

who knew her. But

4:50

like many indigenous women,

4:53

Ashley's life wasn't without

4:55

struggles. And in the

4:57

weeks leading up to

4:59

her disappearance, something changed.

5:01

She started acting differently.

5:04

More distant more anxious

5:06

and her family couldn't

5:08

quite put their finger

5:10

on why From

5:28

Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta, this

5:30

is up and vanished. I'm

5:32

your host, Pain Lindsay. The

5:34

timeline of Ashley's disappearance begins

5:37

on June 5th, 2017. That

5:39

night, she visited her father's

5:41

house in Browning. She seemed

5:44

paranoid, closing all the blinds,

5:46

and telling her father not

5:48

to look outside when a

5:51

car pulled up. I did

5:53

something. She told him. But

5:55

she wouldn't explain what. and

5:58

then she was gone. That

6:00

same night, Ashley was reportedly

6:02

seen at a party hosted

6:05

by Vernon Wagner. There were

6:07

multiple witnesses who claimed she

6:09

was there, and even a

6:12

video posted on Facebook that

6:14

showed her sitting on a

6:16

couch. But by the time

6:19

pain Lindsay and the up-in-vannished

6:21

team began their investigation, that

6:23

video had disappeared. The next

6:26

day, June 6th. Kimberly messaged

6:28

Ashley on Facebook. Are you

6:30

okay? She asked. Ashley replied.

6:32

Always. But something about the

6:35

response felt off. Kimberly could

6:37

sense it. Even then. I

6:39

don't know where she was

6:41

at the time. I don't know

6:44

where she was at. I believe

6:46

wherever she was held a key.

6:48

When Paine Lindsay and the up

6:50

and vanished team arrived in

6:53

Browning, they faced an uphill

6:55

battle. Distrust of outsiders, years

6:57

of secrecy. and a fractured

7:00

system of law enforcement created

7:02

walls at every turn. But

7:04

piece by piece, they began

7:07

reconstructing Ashley's final days. One

7:09

key location kept coming up

7:11

in interviews. Big Al's house,

7:13

known as a party spot

7:16

on the outskirts of town.

7:18

Witnesses claimed Ashley had been

7:20

there the morning after the

7:22

party at Vernon's. She told

7:25

me she didn't want to

7:27

be there, one witness said.

7:29

And I told her get

7:31

in. From Big Al's house,

7:33

Ashley was picked up by

7:35

another man, Sam McDonald. According

7:38

to Sam, Ashley stated his

7:40

cabin deep in the mountains

7:42

for six days. And then

7:44

on June 11th, he claimed

7:46

he decided to drive her

7:48

home. But somewhere along the

7:51

way, she disappeared. The deeper

7:53

pain in the team dug,

7:55

the more suspicious characters began

7:58

to emerge. Whose House? was

8:00

reportedly known for drugs and

8:02

troubling behavior, was one of

8:04

them. There were stories of

8:06

girls escaping his house, syringes

8:09

in their arms, one local

8:11

said, and then Ashley went

8:13

there. But it was Sam

8:15

McDonald who stood at the

8:17

center of the investigation. Sam

8:19

admitted that Ashley had stayed

8:22

with him for days and

8:24

described a bizarre and troubling

8:26

final interaction. He claimed that

8:28

while driving her back to

8:30

town, Ashley asked him to

8:32

stop at a mountain pullout,

8:35

saying she was meeting someone

8:37

named V-dog. I leaned my

8:39

chair back, and when I

8:41

woke up, she was gone,

8:43

Sam said. Sam's story raised

8:46

more questions than answers. Why

8:48

didn't he help with a

8:50

search for Ashley afterward? Why

8:52

did he remodel his house

8:54

after she disappeared? And who

8:56

exactly was V-dog? V-dog. as

8:59

it turned out, was a

9:01

man named Paul Valenzuela, a

9:03

known criminal with a lengthy

9:05

record. But by the time

9:07

pain tracked him down, the

9:10

trail had grown cold. Ashley's

9:12

disappearance is part of a

9:14

larger crisis. Native women are

9:16

murdered at rates ten times

9:18

higher than the national average,

9:20

and murder is the third

9:23

leading cause of death for

9:25

indigenous women. Despite

9:27

these staggering statistics, law enforcement

9:30

often fails to act. Desi

9:32

Lone Bear Rodriguez, an advocate

9:35

for MMIW, described the systematic

9:37

failures that have allowed this

9:39

crisis to continue. Our women

9:42

are targets, she said. We're

9:44

not safe in our homes,

9:47

in our communities, or on

9:49

the roads. And when we

9:52

disappear, no one cares. Pain

9:55

and the team amplified this

9:57

message. Giving Kimberly and there's

10:00

a platform to demand justice,

10:02

not just for Ashley, but

10:04

for all indigenous women. For

10:06

over four years, Kimberly-loring heavy

10:08

runner has been the driving

10:10

force behind the search for

10:12

Ashley. She has led marches,

10:14

spoken at town halls, and

10:16

even testified before Congress, calling

10:18

out the failures of law

10:20

enforcement to take her sister's

10:22

case seriously. If they had

10:24

searched for my sister right

10:26

away, we wouldn't still be

10:28

looking. We would have Ashley,"

10:30

she said. Kimberly's determination is

10:32

not only kept Ashley's story

10:34

alive, but has also brought

10:36

national attention to the broader

10:38

issue of MMIW. One of

10:40

the most dramatic moments in

10:42

Payne's investigation came when he

10:44

tracked down Sam McDonald at

10:46

his remote cabin near St.

10:48

Mary's Lake. His pain approached,

10:51

Sam stepped out of his

10:53

house holding a gun. If

10:55

I'd seen a gun in

10:57

your hand, Sam said, I

10:59

would have shot you. Despite

11:01

the tense encounter, pain managed

11:03

to interview Sam, pressing him

11:05

on the details of Ashley's

11:07

disappearance. But the more Sam

11:09

talked, the less his story

11:11

seemed to add up. Or

11:13

maybe you remember his nickname

11:15

better. V-dog. He was one

11:17

of the major names that

11:19

kept floating around in Ashley's

11:21

case. Like a shadow behind

11:23

the scenes. We heard rumors,

11:25

whispers, and eventually we tracked

11:27

him down. I'll be honest.

11:29

When I knocked on his

11:31

door, I didn't know what

11:33

was going to happen. Any

11:35

of this is written down

11:37

what I'm telling you right

11:39

now? I'm gonna come find

11:41

you. Okay? Because I'm telling

11:44

you right now. Just a

11:46

podcast it doesn't matter. I'm

11:48

not trying to point fingers

11:50

anybody check this out man.

11:52

I know the routine. I

11:54

know all the this little,

11:56

just little talk. I don't

11:58

work for the big people.

12:00

I don't work for the

12:02

news. I'm just independent. Doesn't

12:04

matter. Everybody's always going to

12:06

blame the bad guy, okay?

12:08

Everybody does it for every

12:10

fucking reason. So I'm going

12:12

to tell you right now.

12:14

I ain't got gonna do

12:16

that fucking Lauren girl, okay?

12:18

Never did, never will. Kimberly

12:20

Lauren is a piece of

12:22

crap for what the fuck

12:24

she's been doing to my

12:26

family. What's she's been doing

12:28

in my family? There's other

12:30

people in the case. It's

12:32

not like it's just you

12:34

like there's Sam No, I've

12:37

talked to Sam I've talked

12:39

to Sam I've talked to

12:41

T I've only haven't talked

12:43

to you. I'm gonna talk

12:45

about T either T's a

12:47

fucking piece of crap, too.

12:49

They're all pieces of crap.

12:51

Okay, you do write that

12:53

down. They're all piece of

12:55

crap. Do you five minutes

12:57

man, please? The tension in

12:59

the air, this strange confusion

13:01

amongst us. It was pretty

13:03

clear, this guy had something

13:05

to hide, and he didn't

13:07

care if he lost everything

13:09

trying to hide it. And

13:11

now, firsthand, we know exactly

13:13

how dangerous V-Dog really is.

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enforcement officers executed a search

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a bullhorn announced several times

17:02

that the FBI was executing

17:04

the warrant and ordered the

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suspects to come out of

17:08

the house. At least one

17:10

flashbang was used and officers

17:12

with the highest unit eventually

17:14

broke down the door of

17:16

the house. At first, the

17:18

charges were shocking. Threats to

17:20

kill a federal officer. Firearms

17:22

violations and assault with a

17:24

deadly weapon. But then it

17:26

got worse. In the court

17:28

filings, the truth came out.

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Balanswala... had brutally assaulted a

17:32

man on the Blackfeet reservation

17:34

with a baseball bat, leaving

17:36

him hospitalized with serious injuries.

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The federal charge of threatening

17:40

a law enforcement officer was

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later dropped, but the assault

17:44

charge stuck. V-dog was sentenced

17:46

to three years in federal

17:48

prison. And suddenly, the rumors

17:51

about him didn't feel like

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rumors anymore. They felt like

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warnings. standing on his doorstep,

17:57

asking him point blank about

17:59

Ashley. I still get chills.

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is full of. People hiding

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now he's behind bars. At

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least for a little while.

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Whether or not Paul Valenzuela

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was involved in Ashley's disappearance

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is still something we're digging

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into to this day. But

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what we do know is

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this. He's dangerous. He's capable

18:27

of violence. And he had

18:29

every reason in the world.

18:31

to avoid the truth. After

18:33

airing Ashley's story, something happened

18:35

that no one could have

18:37

been prepared for. The tip

18:39

line blew up. Dozens and

18:42

dozens of phone calls. Some

18:44

of the tips felt like

18:46

noise. Dead ends, static. But

18:48

then, certain voices began to

18:50

cut through the silence. The

18:52

ones that stuck with me.

18:54

The ones I couldn't shake.

18:56

One of which was Megan.

18:59

I turned in a report

19:02

to Blackfeet Law Enforcement, Blackfeet

19:04

Tribal Services Council, the FBI,

19:06

Miss and Murdered Indigenous people

19:09

out of Billings, and my

19:11

report is not being left

19:13

into because the person who

19:16

found her phone that was

19:18

signed into Ashley's Facebook is

19:21

named Ruben Edwards. There's another

19:23

Ruben Edwards in Browning that

19:25

is a street person. However,

19:28

it was not that Reuben

19:30

Edwards that found the phone.

19:32

It was a different Reuben

19:35

Edwards, a younger one, not

19:37

the street person. Ashley was

19:40

seen by my cousin. He

19:42

seen Ashley in a truck

19:44

with two males. One of

19:47

them was named Ellen Potts,

19:49

Sure Chief, and the other

19:52

one's name is Joe Gobert.

19:55

Ashley jumped out of the

19:57

truck and she walked over

19:59

to my cousin David. and

20:01

asked for a ride and

20:03

David asked what she was

20:05

doing out there. Ashley got

20:07

mad that he would question

20:09

her and she jumped back

20:11

in with the guys. Exactly

20:14

that spot where she jumped

20:16

out at and where she's

20:18

seen David at, that's where

20:20

her phone was found. She

20:22

says Ashley was with two

20:24

men Joe Gobert and Alan

20:26

Potts and that she asked

20:28

for a ride Seemingly panicked

20:30

and when he questioned her

20:32

she got angry and jumped

20:34

back into the truck The

20:36

spot where it happened the

20:38

same spot where Ashley's phone

20:40

was eventually found Still logged

20:42

into her Facebook Megan says

20:44

the man who found it

20:46

was confused with someone else

20:49

by law enforcement Which caused

20:51

the whole lead to be

20:53

dismissed? She also says Ashley

20:55

was trying to get to

20:57

two medicine, texting people for

20:59

a ride, and that destination

21:01

may hold the key. I

21:03

said, did you, how do

21:05

you know that was Ashley's

21:07

phone? And he said, because

21:09

it was signed into Facebook

21:11

and it said, Ashley Lauren,

21:13

heavy runner. And I said,

21:15

well, do you remember anything

21:17

about the phone? And he

21:19

said, yeah, it wasn't cracked.

21:21

It was a newer phone.

21:24

It didn't have a lock

21:26

on it. And there was...

21:28

text messages that she's asking

21:30

for a ride to running

21:32

fishers. She's asking for a

21:34

ride to medicine. There was

21:36

someone who reported her in

21:38

a white truck parked out

21:40

by to medicine. Well, out

21:42

by to medicine where she

21:44

was going, where I believe

21:46

to where she was going

21:48

was to Mabel and Jimmy

21:50

running Fisher's bunk house. They

21:52

had a guy living there

21:54

who was a ranch hen.

21:57

and he came from the

21:59

billing period. I think it

22:01

was like the Crow Reservation.

22:03

Jimmy met him through rodeoing.

22:05

He was living in their

22:07

house and he had no

22:09

form of transportation besides a

22:11

horse and they're green ATV.

22:13

I was out into medicine

22:15

on my grandpa's land. When

22:17

I was down there by

22:19

the river, I was with

22:21

my boyfriend and we got

22:23

out of the truck and

22:25

I heard a ATV in

22:27

the distance. But it was

22:29

just part like running and

22:32

it took a really long

22:34

time and then finally I

22:36

start hearing it get closer

22:38

and I got closer I

22:40

seen Richard or just whatever

22:42

his name is in the

22:44

trees out into medicine and

22:46

when I seen him he

22:48

panicked He didn't know what

22:50

to do he jumped out

22:52

of a TV and he

22:54

like stood behind it and

22:56

the only way he could

22:58

leave was if he went

23:00

past me, like how we

23:02

were in the clearing, and

23:04

when he went past, there

23:07

was a big, black, big

23:09

in the back. It looked

23:11

like there was something, like,

23:13

it wasn't, like, trash. It

23:15

was something that was, like,

23:17

big, and sticking out the

23:19

side of the, um, of

23:21

the ETV, the back of

23:23

the ETV. It's

23:25

not investigated properly. The person

23:27

I listed who found Ashley's

23:30

phone that when Ashley was

23:32

asking for a ride to

23:34

medicine, he is being confused

23:36

with someone who has the

23:38

same name. I really would

23:40

appreciate if you guys can

23:42

question Richard Jess Realberg on

23:45

this also because I believe

23:47

that she was going to

23:49

that was the only male

23:51

living down there at that

23:53

time and he fled immediately

23:55

in June. like mid-June the

23:57

owner of the rat. She,

24:00

I have a message I

24:02

could show you where She

24:04

said she gave him a

24:06

ride back to Billings. He

24:08

left all his clothes, his

24:10

rope parts, and he never

24:12

returned. According to her, Jess

24:15

left town days after Ashley

24:17

vanished. Left all of his

24:19

stuff behind, never to come

24:21

back again. But that wasn't

24:23

the only tip. We also

24:25

got a call from Ashley's

24:27

mother. I'm Ashley's mother, Loxley

24:29

Lynn Loring, and I have

24:32

been in contact in trying

24:34

to work with the FBI,

24:36

and we have a new

24:38

location just across from Divide,

24:40

where Sam claims that he

24:42

took my daughter. We've got

24:44

a tip from Windy Bird.

24:47

That's where it's a she

24:49

and I brought my daughter.

24:51

There's a trailer down there.

24:53

There's a trailer down there.

24:55

There's a trailer down there.

24:58

and it's just across the

25:00

road from divide. If you

25:02

can please give me a

25:04

call back. I would really

25:06

like to speak to pain

25:09

Lindsay and if there's any

25:11

way that I need help

25:13

with cadaver dogs and I

25:15

really appreciate for what you

25:17

have done on my daughter's

25:19

case and interviewed. If you

25:21

can please give me a

25:23

call back. Thank you. She

25:27

told me about a

25:29

new location a trailer

25:32

near divide a place

25:34

that might have been

25:37

tied to Sam The

25:39

man who claimed to

25:42

have been with Ashley

25:44

the night she disappeared

25:46

Then there was something

25:49

stranger I Guess this

25:51

is weird, but I

25:54

came across a profile

25:56

on set life last

25:58

night The name that

26:01

the profile is under

26:03

is... Hold on, hold

26:06

on. Sativa Bria, S-A-T-I-V-A,

26:08

B-R-I-A. This girl in

26:10

this profile looks uncannily,

26:13

like Ashley. I mean,

26:15

I just was stunned

26:18

looking at it. I

26:20

think they have the

26:22

same teeth. But anyway.

26:27

A woman found an

26:30

online profile with a

26:32

girl who looked almost

26:34

identical to Ashley. The

26:36

username, Sativa Bria. Honestly,

26:38

it could be completely

26:40

nothing. Or it might

26:42

be someone using Ashley's

26:44

identity. Either way, the

26:46

resemblance was striking. And

26:49

yet one more broken

26:51

piece to added this

26:53

puzzle. And then there

26:55

were the visions. I

26:57

don't usually include these.

26:59

I don't usually include

27:01

these. I'll be honest.

27:03

psychic tips, spiritual visions.

27:05

Those don't usually make

27:08

it into my notebooks.

27:10

But one call gave

27:12

me chills. I've moved

27:14

on the tribe with

27:16

Ashley. I didn't know

27:18

her as much. I'm

27:20

wanting to call an

27:22

impasse. I'm not sure

27:24

if I'm completely psychic

27:27

or a medium, by

27:29

any means, but... I've

27:31

had this vision of

27:33

Ashley, and I just

27:35

had it again. I

27:37

see her standing in

27:39

a room. She's looking

27:41

at me, and I...

27:43

She's trying to tell

27:46

me something, but I

27:48

don't... I can't read

27:50

what she's saying to

27:52

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I've had this vision. I don't

33:01

know how many times I've had

33:03

this vision. At one point it

33:05

was like I was looking through

33:07

her eyes and she was in

33:09

this, like this room. I think

33:11

there was a bed against the

33:13

wall or something and I don't

33:15

know I was looking through her

33:17

eyes in this vision as well

33:19

and I just saw what she

33:21

was seeing. But I can't tell

33:23

where she was seeing but I

33:26

can't tell where she's at where

33:28

she was seeing but I can't

33:30

tell where she's where she was

33:32

seeing. But I can't tell where

33:34

she's but I know she was

33:36

in a room somewhere. I don't

33:38

know if this will help at

33:40

all, I doubt it will, but

33:42

I've had decisions so many times

33:44

and I lived on the tribe

33:46

where she lived as well. I

33:48

still can't see what she's saying

33:50

to me, and I think she's

33:52

kind of giving me a hint

33:54

to where she's at. I'll try

33:56

to channel it again. I

33:58

doubt this will be able

34:00

to help. but something in

34:02

me is telling you that

34:04

I need to tell you

34:07

this now. Ashley in a

34:09

dark room screaming and something

34:11

about the way she said

34:13

it just stuck with me.

34:15

Some of these tips are

34:17

very specific some completely abstract

34:19

but all together they start

34:21

to form something bigger a

34:23

picture of a young woman

34:26

surrounded by danger. A trail

34:28

that keeps trying to disappear.

34:30

In the possibility that we

34:32

might be closer than ever

34:34

to real answers. But of

34:36

all the tips we received,

34:38

there was one far more

34:40

disturbing than the others. In

34:42

August of last year, Ashley's

34:45

sister, Kimberly, received a tip.

34:47

It wasn't just a name

34:49

or a rumor. It was

34:51

a link. A link to

34:53

a video that was more

34:55

than unsettling. It was hosted

34:57

on a shock site known

34:59

for Gore. And what they

35:01

said was chilling. The video

35:04

began with a local news

35:06

clip, a reporter announcing the

35:08

reward for Ashley's case. Then

35:10

this eerie song starts playing

35:12

in the background. Upon further

35:14

investigation, we found that this

35:16

song was a distorted version

35:18

of secret, one of the

35:20

theme songs, one of the

35:23

theme songs in the show

35:25

Pretty Little Liars. It's

35:27

a haunting track about two

35:29

girls. One tells the other

35:31

a secret. She promises to

35:34

keep it, but she doesn't.

35:36

And the secret then becomes

35:38

deadly. The screen cuts to

35:40

an animated skull. Guns cross

35:43

behind it. It looks like

35:45

something from a 90s video

35:47

game. But then it flashes

35:49

to Ashley's missing poster. Her

35:52

face, her name, her name,

35:54

her story. And then it

35:56

shows a woman in a

35:58

bathtub. outside. A metal grape

36:01

bolted across the top, locking

36:03

her inside. It's filmed from

36:05

the viewpoint of someone holding

36:07

a hose, slowly filling the

36:10

tub with water. And that's

36:12

where it ends. To be

36:14

completely transparent, I've truly never

36:16

seen anything in my life

36:19

this awful before. Was this

36:21

real? Was it a hoax?

36:23

A prank? Here's what we

36:25

do know. Whoever made this,

36:27

whether it was a hoax,

36:30

a sick joke, or something

36:32

far worse, someone out there

36:34

knew about Ashley, knew that

36:36

this girl looked just like

36:39

her, and they knew exactly

36:41

what they were doing. And

36:43

whoever this twisted person is,

36:45

it's a crime. And we've

36:48

passed this information along to

36:50

the FBI. We've spent years

36:52

on this case, talking to

36:54

people. who said they didn't

36:57

know anything, even though their

36:59

stories didn't add up. Years

37:01

hearing the same names over

37:03

and over again. Years watching

37:06

agencies pass the buck, from

37:08

one to the next. Ashley

37:10

Loring Heavy Runner disappeared on

37:12

tribal land. That means the

37:15

jurisdiction gets messy. Local law,

37:17

tribal law, federal law. It's

37:19

a complete maze. And if

37:21

you're the family of a

37:23

missing person, there's no road

37:26

map. And for those still

37:28

searching, This isn't just a

37:30

headline. It's a lived experience

37:32

and they're still in it.

37:35

I believe someone knows exactly

37:37

what happened to Ashley and

37:39

someone else is still too

37:41

scared to say. That's why

37:44

we're still doing this because

37:46

maybe the right person is

37:48

finally ready. And if that's

37:50

you, that matters. There's still

37:53

a $50,000 reward here for

37:55

any new information that leads

37:57

to an arrest in Ashley's

37:59

case. This episode marks the

38:02

end of a long chapter.

38:04

But it's not the end

38:06

of the story. And for

38:08

those of you who've been

38:11

waiting, we're not done. Up

38:13

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38:15

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38:17

return on Friday, April 25th,

38:19

back to Alaska, back into

38:22

the dark, deeper than ever

38:24

before. From past experience, I've

38:26

learned, the closer you get

38:28

to the truth, the more

38:31

dangerous it becomes. Up in

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38:35

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38:37

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38:40

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