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Hi, I'm Vicki Patterson and this is The

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Secret of Saying Goodbye. This

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is a compilation of some of my favourite guests

0:42

over the years. We

0:44

actually started the podcast and my OJs,

0:46

my day ones, will totally know this.

0:50

Like in lockdown. And

0:53

honestly, I think like so many people, I just

0:55

found myself at like a loose end. There

0:58

was no filming happening, there was no

1:00

photo shoots, like everything just ground to

1:02

a halt and I felt really lost.

1:06

And I'd been trying to find like sort

1:09

of the right subject matter to do a podcast for a

1:11

while. And this, it

1:13

was all serendipitous. This just arrived in me lap

1:16

and it felt really right. And

1:19

yeah, I loved it. I was so

1:21

nervous at first though. I remember my first

1:23

ever one and it was Jamie Lang and

1:25

Sophie Haboo and I'm so grateful to them.

1:27

They were like a bit more evolved, a

1:29

bit further down, sort of the podcast ladder

1:31

at the time. And they

1:34

knew what they were doing and I look

1:36

back and I don't even think I said

1:38

like 10 words. I think Jamie just totally

1:40

took over. And I'm so pleased Jamie did

1:42

do that because I don't think I could

1:44

have I don't think I could have strung

1:46

a sentence together myself. I was literally so

1:48

nervous. But obviously like anything sort of me

1:50

confidence grew and do you know what I will

1:52

say? Because it was lockdown. I managed to get some

1:55

brilliant guests. Because everybody was at

1:57

a loose end as well, you know. People got like

1:59

cat and rat. and Eamonn

2:01

Holmes. We've done great over the years.

2:03

I certainly can't complain, but

2:05

yeah, feel like, gosh,

2:08

I'm getting a bit emotional thinking about it. It

2:11

was, it really provided

2:13

us with a purpose. And like,

2:15

I don't know, at a time when I was feeling

2:18

just so untabbed,

2:20

it gave us an anchor. And I'm really grateful to

2:22

it for that. And all of you

2:24

as well for listening, just really nice.

2:27

Oh, I feel blue. Anyway,

2:30

you can't be blue around this next

2:33

guest. Should we kick things off with

2:35

Olivia Atwood? ["The Secret

2:37

of Love"] Hello,

2:43

everybody, and welcome back to Vicky Patterson's Secret

2:45

2. I am joined by, I think, one of

2:47

my favorite podcasts guests ever, Olivia Atwood. Welcome

2:49

back, love. Thanks, Hannah. You're gonna make my head

2:52

massive. I'm gonna have to lube it up

2:54

to get through the door. Do

2:56

you know what, though? I'm so lucky. I

2:58

mentioned at the start, obviously lockdown has meant

3:01

I've got a lot of incredible people at

3:03

my disposal who normally would be super busy.

3:05

So I am feeling like a real grateful

3:07

bit. I'm probably verging on smug, if I'm

3:09

honest, at the moment about the podcast. But

3:11

yeah, I just wanted to say thank you,

3:13

because I don't know if

3:15

you get enough credit for this, but

3:17

you are really articulate. You're really honest.

3:19

Like, you're very intelligent. And I'm just

3:21

like, I am impressed by you. And

3:23

I love when a woman comes on

3:26

and impresses me, because I just think,

3:28

fucking get in. So yeah, well done.

3:30

I thought, can I come back next week? This is

3:33

really good for myself, as being

3:35

by the way. This is like, I

3:37

feel like, well, my new therapist, I should be paying

3:39

you. You've

3:42

got this, you can do anything. I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna

3:44

come off this podcast and be on the phone to my

3:46

agent being like, book this, book

3:49

this. I'm sorry. I

3:51

fucking spent, now I'm with Vicky Patterson, now I'm

3:53

taking on the world. Yeah. Aw,

3:56

I'm happy to help, mate. You need to

3:58

realize, like, your own light, definitely. than

16:00

Rochelle Obama. Yeah, true. You nailed

16:02

it. I was going to go and make a Markle, but

16:04

I thought all controversial, like, you know. She's also a boss.

16:06

I like her, but... I do, but she's divisive. This

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19:40

My next clip is from Catherine Ryan

19:44

and I can remember this record so

19:46

well because Catherine's like an absolute hero

19:48

of mine which is such a cringe

19:50

thing to say but she's just this

19:52

like bad bitch who doesn't care what

19:54

anybody thinks of her has always been

19:56

unapologetically her is completely killing it in

19:59

a male-dominated I'm

22:00

afraid I just want to do it all myself. Oh,

22:03

well, I'm here now. You are. And thank

22:05

you so much for taking the time, mate,

22:07

because I know I joke, but

22:09

you're busy. You're a busy lady. No one's busy.

22:11

No one's busy anymore. I sit

22:14

exactly in this room just waiting for your

22:16

call. I haven't done anything

22:18

in a year. Well, that's not strictly true,

22:20

is it? Because, ahiya, congratulations are in order.

22:23

Oh, I did get married. You got... Mate,

22:25

that wasn't even what I was going to

22:27

say. Oh. What the... Go on. What

22:29

were you going to say? Well, now it's a

22:31

double congratulations, because, yeah, nuptial's a big

22:33

deal, but also you've just got heart-fished,

22:35

had sexiest woman. Is that right? That's

22:37

exactly right. I was as shocked as

22:39

anyone. It's my least sexy year on

22:42

record. And I

22:44

don't really know who's doing the choosing,

22:46

but apparently I'm sexier than KSI,

22:50

Alicia Dixon, Victoria Beckham.

22:53

There are a lot of athletes in my neighborhood, and

22:56

I'm the sexiest of them all. Well, it's

22:58

official. I'm not... All right, on one hand,

23:00

I'm totally not surprised, because I'd shag you.

23:02

I think you're lush. Thanks. But then, when

23:05

I heard about Victoria Beckham, and I know

23:07

about the leg thing, she's dead flexible and

23:09

that, I thought that would seriously up her

23:11

stock. I think sex

23:13

appeal is a very contentious

23:16

issue, and I think she scares

23:18

people. I think she looks

23:20

pointy, and in

23:22

terms of sexuality,

23:25

if you were a man, you know, I like

23:27

to think, like a man now and then, you'd

23:29

be scared of being battered by David Beckham. You

23:32

wouldn't want that. And you wouldn't want

23:34

to mess up any of her fashion. She doesn't look

23:36

like she'd be, you know, she'd be a lazy shag.

23:38

Oh, yeah. But then I think sometimes, I mean,

23:41

you can be misguided with

23:43

that. Like, I reckon she might

23:46

trick people into thinking, you know, I'm a bit

23:48

pointy, I'm a little bit cold. And

23:50

then actually, when you get her in the

23:52

bedroom, she's just a demon in the sack.

23:55

That leg thing, I haven't forgot it, Catherine,

23:57

I haven't. It is impressive, and she needs

23:59

to alert. yet.

26:01

Always a great sign. So how long have

26:03

you been married for? It's

26:05

been just over a year now. Oh, mate. You know

26:07

what? You'd be regretting it or you'd have already had

26:09

the regret if it was going to come, I think.

26:11

I think you're safe. I think

26:13

so too. And I've known him since he was a child.

26:15

I mean, I know his mom. I don't have to do

26:18

any of that legwork. I already

26:20

know everybody and lockdown is not

26:22

exactly a honeymoon. We would

26:24

have liked to be doing fun things, but

26:26

we really know each other well now. It's

26:28

like we've been married 40 years. Oh, I

26:31

know. It's such a catalyst lockdown, isn't it,

26:33

for relationships and stuff like me and Erkan.

26:35

We were relatively new and all to

26:37

be fair. But now all that mystique,

26:40

all that honeymoon period, all the romance,

26:42

oh, it's well and truly up the

26:44

swanie. We are talking

26:46

about thoughts. I'm

26:48

lying around in my gravy stained pages.

26:51

There's no romance Katherine.

26:55

It's gone. Long gone. That's

26:57

very Northern and romantic gravy

26:59

stained pages. But also I follow

27:01

you on social media and you guys have little date

27:03

nights in. Yeah, we're trying to do sweet things.

27:06

Yeah. Don't try. Oh, I suppose I've

27:08

got to try and keep it fresh,

27:10

man. He's a lovely bit of kids

27:12

and I am very much older than

27:14

him. No, you're

27:16

not. Are you really? What do you mean

27:18

very much? Because when women say they're very

27:20

much, you're going to say like, Oh, 18

27:22

months. Would you believe it? What a cougar?

27:24

No, I know. I'm six and a half

27:26

years older than Erkan. Full league. Cougaring it

27:28

up. No, my

27:30

stepdad is my age and

27:33

my mother's nearly 20 years older

27:35

than he is. Honestly. Yes. Your

27:37

mom's my hero. Fucking get in.

27:39

And they seem like the same age.

27:41

And I love when women are older

27:43

because it's unusual. I love anything that

27:46

goes against what we see and how

27:48

funny that six years you think is

27:50

an age gap. Look at Hollywood and

27:52

these men are in their

27:54

corpses of human beings at this

27:57

point, 60 years older than their

27:59

teenage girl. And that's all fine.

28:01

Yeah, that's totally fine. I think it's just

28:04

because in the big scheme of things, I

28:06

have always gone out with lads who've been

28:08

like a little bit older. I assumed that

28:11

would equate to a little bit more grown

28:13

up, a little bit more secure,

28:15

maybe a little bit more financially stable. I

28:17

was wrong. So this time

28:19

around, having realised that everything I thought

28:22

I knew about men was incorrect, I

28:24

decided to book that trend and

28:27

go for like younger, take

28:29

a sip of it, just like finding

28:31

out who he was. And it's been, I've played

28:33

a blind ass so far. I'm having a very

28:35

nice time. Yeah, he seems

28:37

really nice. And we had to date older men

28:39

when we were younger because we needed someone to

28:41

drive us around. Exactly. And, you

28:43

know, I hate to say it, buy the

28:46

alcohol now and then. Occasionally, I did need

28:48

that dollar. Yeah. And

28:51

it was tricky because we didn't know, and

28:53

this is why I try to communicate to

28:55

young women that you think a

28:57

35, 40 year old is interested in

29:00

you because you are so mature and he makes you

29:02

feel special. No woman his own age wants to fucking

29:04

talk to him. That's what's going on. Oh,

29:07

yeah. Those were the days that were

29:09

the. Yeah. Just the rejects

29:11

of your town. You're like, he has

29:14

a job, mom. He, he.

29:16

He loves me. He

29:18

gets me. I know. I

29:20

get along really great with his kids. Snow.

29:23

I'm the same age as one of them. Exactly.

29:27

And, you know, we could

29:29

all fantasize about a Wayne Lineker trip here and

29:31

there in our lives. But

29:33

at the end of the day, if you're

29:35

six years older than a man, that is

29:37

nothing. That's fine. And he seems very sweet.

29:39

This conversation has made me feel loads better

29:41

about the age difference. It's so

29:43

minor now, especially through in the way.

29:46

And I think that's pretty fucking fair.

29:48

Good. Me

29:50

apart from, of course, your lovely relationship, how

29:52

you caught in the lockdown. Well, I can't

29:54

complain because, you know, I've done interviews where

29:56

they always begin with how you coping with

29:58

lockdown and I prefaced. it by saying I

30:00

can't complain. I'm not a frontline worker. I have no

30:03

elderly, vulnerable people in my family. They all died

30:05

of alcoholism when I was very young, very lucky.

30:07

And then yeah,

30:09

I think they knew when to

30:11

call it. They were like, forget

30:14

it. I'm Irish people. Yeah. But

30:16

then I say, but it is tough

30:19

for everyone. My work is different. Uh,

30:21

I'm starting to feel lonely. And if

30:23

it's even affecting me, because I always

30:25

have this very sunny outlook and

30:27

I'm in a safe relationship and I'm happy, you know,

30:29

I have everything, but even for me,

30:31

it's tough. And then they just print, you know,

30:33

Catherine Ryan is struggling with lockdown and then I get

30:35

all this abuse. Like how dare you bitch? You have

30:38

a horse. I

30:41

think we should all be allowed to have

30:43

a good wind once in a while. I

30:45

fall in love a good wind. Love it.

30:47

It's fun. And it's also about collective grief.

30:49

So when I'm whinging about lockdown, it's not

30:51

just about me. I see

30:53

the numbers. I see how badly

30:56

my taxes are being handled. I

30:58

see the collective grief of small

31:00

businesses closing. I see my high street changing. You

31:02

know, all of that makes me sad. I'm not

31:05

just thinking about myself. I think we need to

31:07

have, you know, go outside and clap just

31:09

free. Just go instead of clapping at 6 PM. Let's

31:12

all just go outside and scream. Oh, man.

31:16

I feel like I'm with you. Oh,

31:18

I love Catherine Hold

31:21

up. What

31:40

was that? Boring. No flavor. That

31:42

was as bad as those leftovers

31:44

you ate all week. Kiki Palmer

31:46

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31:50

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31:52

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31:54

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31:56

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