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everybody and welcome to

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War Rock and Ajax.

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This is the internet's

1:00

most explosive comic

1:03

book and pop culture podcast.

1:06

We are your hosts. My name

1:08

is Chris Sims. And I, you

1:10

know, Chris is Chris. With

1:13

me as always is Matt

1:15

Wilson. And Matt, the most

1:17

recent bad decision that I

1:19

have made. is that while

1:21

I was very sick, I

1:23

did have Taco Bell delivered

1:25

because I had a craving. Yep.

1:28

What about you? A bad decision

1:30

I make with more regularity than

1:32

I should is that there is

1:34

a, and this is probably the

1:36

most recent one as well, there's

1:39

a gas station that isn't

1:41

quite walking distance from my house,

1:43

but that is close enough that

1:45

I can get there in just

1:48

a couple minutes in my car. They

1:50

have like a loyalty program

1:52

so that you can get

1:54

like a 32 ounce soda

1:56

for like 89 cents or

1:58

something like that. And

2:00

so, like, well, like a fountain

2:03

soda. And so I will periodically,

2:05

when I just like, M. Joneson,

2:07

like I've made every effort I

2:09

can to drink less soda in

2:12

my life, but periodically I will

2:14

go down there when I'm like,

2:16

I need it. And I will

2:18

get one of those 32 ounce

2:20

cups and I will just, and

2:23

I'll make sure that the cheer

2:25

wine fountain is working, because sometimes

2:27

it's not. And I will just

2:29

load up with cheer wine and

2:32

like I'll like do like one

2:34

of those no ice pours That's

2:36

a lot of cheer wine bud

2:38

to get as much as possible

2:41

That's somebody on our significant amount

2:43

Somebody on our discord recently said

2:45

because we talked about Bojangles, but

2:47

you know when I talked about

2:50

Bojangles last week. I heard somebody

2:52

on the discord said that cheer

2:54

wine is mid and do not

2:56

say that to me Wow, did

2:59

you kick that person out of

3:01

the discord immediately? No, but I'm

3:03

saying if you have that thought,

3:05

don't say it where I can

3:08

see it. Yeah, that's an inside

3:10

thought that stays inside your head.

3:12

Good, great. That's not one that

3:14

you share to your boys. Also,

3:16

that they used mentioned at the

3:19

top of the show. What I

3:21

love about that most is that

3:23

that was Bonito. going out of

3:25

his way to try to not

3:28

say anything that you would perceive

3:30

as mean. Yeah, it's because you

3:32

know what that long pause really

3:34

really just says positive things about

3:37

my friend. He was trying to,

3:39

I know exactly what was going

3:41

on in his head. He was

3:43

like, oh shit, what can I

3:46

say that Chris is going to

3:48

think is offensive to him? That's

3:50

fine. It's good to take as

3:52

an insult. And then it happened

3:55

anyway. Look, I know that when

3:57

you two get together, your favorite.

3:59

thing to do is to do

4:01

a podcast where you make fun

4:03

of me. What did I say?

4:06

I didn't say anything. I said

4:08

nothing but nice things. You

4:10

too collectively, you love to

4:13

do a podcast where you too

4:15

make fun of your good friend

4:17

who only loves you. I only

4:19

said nice things. I said

4:22

you're very insightful on

4:24

Apokapels? Anyway, we have a

4:26

great show for everybody this

4:28

week. We are going to

4:31

launch our new, the new

4:33

game for the year 2025

4:35

and maybe beyond depending on

4:37

how it goes. We're going

4:39

to do this one as

4:41

long as we feel like

4:43

it. Yeah, I'm a little

4:45

bit apprehensive Matt.

4:48

Why is that? I'm unsure

4:50

of how it's going to

4:52

go. Because I think it's

4:54

an exciting new game

4:56

that will appeal. to you and

4:58

to me and I don't know how

5:00

much it will appeal to anyone else

5:02

in the world but we're gonna

5:05

want you know what you know what

5:07

I don't give a fuck this will

5:09

do what we want to do you

5:11

know it is it is our show

5:13

like the Adams family will do what

5:15

we want to do do what they

5:17

want to say what they want to

5:19

say play what they want to

5:21

play they want to play they're

5:24

going to live how they want

5:26

to live man as hammer so

5:28

Clearly stated. Yeah, eloquently

5:30

put it, I would say. Yes. All

5:32

right. Well, we will reveal what the

5:34

new segment is a little bit later

5:36

in the show, but Chris, before we

5:38

do that, it's going to be

5:40

the title of the episodes. People

5:43

are going to know anyway. But

5:45

nonetheless, Chris, before we get to it,

5:47

we have some business to take

5:49

care of starting with thinking our

5:51

news supporters on. We're on Patreon.

5:54

That's right, Matt. Now these are

5:56

the people who used to have to

5:58

go all the way down to 717... if

6:00

they wanted to help out

6:02

the show. Don't go there.

6:05

Don't go to 717 Gimmick

6:07

Street. That's not where we

6:10

are. You know what's there,

6:12

Matt. I decided since Bonito

6:14

mentioned it last week, that

6:17

it's 717 Gimmick Street, there

6:19

is a Greg's. There is

6:22

a British grocery? It's like

6:24

a kid. It's like a

6:26

kid. It's like a kid.

6:29

It's like a... It's like

6:31

a sandwich shop, I guess.

6:34

I saw Greg's everywhere when

6:36

I was in the UK,

6:38

but I never actually went

6:41

inside one. So that's my

6:43

best guess. At 717, gimmick

6:46

street, of course, is your

6:48

local pharmacy. Which in the

6:50

UK they would call a

6:53

chemist. Here it's a pharmacy.

6:55

This area of gimmicksery is

6:58

rapidly turning into we written

7:00

from arrested development. But it's

7:03

not a chemist, it's a

7:05

pharmacy. It is a pharmacy.

7:07

Or as Lemie pronounced it

7:10

on Lemie show, Farmasi. It's

7:12

pretty good. Hey, pronouncing words

7:15

wrong is hilarious. It's all

7:17

it's well, it's not always

7:19

funny. Sometimes it's bad. But

7:22

like usually like. like the

7:24

emphasis on the wrong syllable

7:27

like I you know this

7:29

mad there's very few things

7:31

I love more than talking

7:34

about something being a controversy

7:36

controversy is like saying it

7:39

like the way people other

7:41

English speakers say it but

7:43

not the way we say

7:46

it is is always funny

7:48

I also talked about how

7:51

on the show before when

7:53

I read the word stomach

7:55

ache A little voice in

7:58

my head pops up. with

8:00

a fucking mustache and just

8:03

goes, a stomachache. Marlene and

8:05

I regularly, if we have

8:07

to talk about Facebook, we

8:09

say Fachibuk. Fachibuk.

8:12

Fachibuk. Fachibuk. Hey,

8:14

people can go to the

8:16

fucking pharmacy and go to Patreon.

8:18

Yeah, yeah. Go to pharmacy.

8:20

And then also, don't go to

8:23

the chemist. Go to the

8:25

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8:27

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sick. But our plan originally

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1987 Shadow Series, into two

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nice thing to say about

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me. Chris, how about we do

13:27

some checks and directs? Let's

13:29

do it. Chris, it's it's

13:31

been a couple weeks since

13:33

we've chatted. What's going on

13:35

with you? Well, bad. I

13:38

spent over one of those

13:40

weeks in bed. Just have

13:42

it not having a good time.

13:44

So like the version of in

13:46

bed that is not referred

13:48

to at the end of

13:50

fortune cookie fortune. No, I mean

13:53

it depends. Sure. It might be.

13:55

If the fortune is you're going

13:57

to have a bad time. Then

14:00

yes No, I was very sick, but

14:03

I'll tell you what happened to

14:05

me recently I wasn't betrayed by

14:07

a friend Is this is this

14:09

about the thing Benito said? No,

14:12

no, no, no ever since

14:14

I Accurately predicted

14:16

Before I had read a page

14:18

of Dragon Ball, I'm gonna be a

14:20

40 year old who knows a whole

14:22

lot about Goku. Oh, yeah, I know I

14:25

know exactly what this is. Okay,

14:27

yeah, and then I I made

14:29

that happen I believed it, I

14:31

achieved it, you know. There's been

14:33

a running joke of like, well,

14:35

what am I going to get into

14:38

next? You know? We even talked

14:40

about it here on the show.

14:42

And our buddy Ben, Ben Gully,

14:44

has said a bunch of times,

14:47

like, oh, it should be Kingdom

14:49

Hearts. Like, I can

14:51

absolutely see you just getting

14:53

mega into Kingdom Hearts.

14:55

Which, you know, I like the X-Men.

14:58

So it seems like the weird

15:00

kind of weird

15:02

overly complicated shit that

15:05

I would enjoy

15:07

right So recently

15:09

The kingdom hearts

15:11

interregnum masterpiece collection

15:13

went on sale on steam

15:16

for $30 and I

15:18

Screenchotted it and I

15:20

I sent it to our friends

15:22

and I said hey if somebody

15:25

buys us for me. I'll play

15:27

it You can't do that. Somebody's

15:29

gonna do it. I mean, Matt,

15:31

I ask people to buy me

15:33

things all the time. I ask people

15:35

to give me $20 on a fairly

15:37

regular basis. Sure, sure. But our

15:40

buddy Annie Creighton had one word

15:42

to say to that, and it

15:44

was sold. And so now I am the

15:46

owner of the Kingdom

15:49

Hearts Interregnum Masterpiece Collection.

15:51

Matt. That's Kingdom Hearts Final Mix.

15:53

Kingdom Hearts Rechain of Memories. Kingdom

15:55

Hearts 2 Final Mix. Kingdom Hearts

15:58

358 over two days. Kingdom... Kingdom

16:00

Hearts 3 and the

16:02

Remind DLC. Kingdom Hearts.

16:04

Kingdom Hearts Dreamed Drop

16:06

Distance HD. Kingdom Hearts

16:08

Key Back Cover? I

16:10

guess is a movie.

16:12

Kingdom Hearts 0.2 Birth

16:14

By Sleep, a fragmentary

16:16

passage. And Kingdom Hearts

16:18

3 and The Remind

16:20

DLC. That's a lot

16:22

of Kingdom Hearts. That

16:24

is a lot. That

16:26

is a lot. So

16:28

I did start playing

16:31

it. And I told

16:33

A.C. I was like,

16:35

yeah, I explained the

16:37

situation and I was

16:39

like, I started playing

16:41

kingdom hearts and she

16:43

was like, how was

16:45

it? And I had

16:47

a very Benito-esque long

16:49

pause before I said,

16:51

I'm finding it very

16:53

hard to imagine playing

16:55

more kingdom hearts. And

16:57

have you? No, man.

16:59

Not in a couple

17:01

days. You're out of

17:03

it. You're falling out

17:05

of it. I mean,

17:07

look, I got to

17:09

Travers Town. That's as

17:11

far as I've gotten

17:13

so far. It's... Matt,

17:15

it's a... I know

17:17

I said I would

17:19

do it. And I'll

17:21

do it. Rest assured.

17:23

I'll do it. But

17:29

oof buddy it

17:32

is a Daunting

17:34

challenging it's challenging

17:37

You know I

17:39

understand I will

17:42

say this though

17:44

Simple and cleans

17:47

a banger That's

17:51

a song from the game. I don't

17:53

know anything about you. I'm sure you

17:56

saw those commercials back when it came

17:58

when you walk away You don't You

18:00

never, surely you saw those, I know

18:02

we have, like, whatever I

18:04

was watching that played those

18:07

commercials incessantly, you had to

18:09

also be watching. I'm not

18:11

saying I didn't see them,

18:13

but they slid right off

18:15

of my brain. Okay, well, rest

18:18

of shirts, simple and clean is

18:20

a banger. Although it does make

18:22

me want a version of

18:25

kingdom hearts that plays so

18:27

fresh and so clean. Which

18:29

of course you would know

18:31

more about yeah, I

18:33

definitely know more about

18:35

that yeah Matt What have

18:38

you been doing while I've

18:40

been? Getting into

18:42

kingdom hearts But

18:44

maybe also getting

18:46

out of it Getting through

18:48

it for sure well Chris

18:51

You know what you know

18:53

what we do in in

18:55

troubled times in difficult times

18:58

in? decide to learn

19:00

a lot about kingdom

19:03

hearts, apparently. Well, you

19:05

could do that, but

19:07

I also know that

19:10

you've done this before.

19:12

I'm certainly guilty

19:15

of this. We retreat

19:17

into nostalgia

19:19

to feel like we did

19:21

in the times we felt

19:24

better. And also, I

19:26

have been... Morning,

19:28

to a degree. The death

19:31

of Space Ghost Coast to

19:33

Coast voice actor George Lowe.

19:35

And I was kind of

19:38

bummed, because I knew that

19:40

there wasn't a place

19:42

online anywhere to watch

19:44

all the episodes of

19:47

Space Coast Coast to

19:49

Coast. I knew that you could

19:51

watch some of them on

19:53

the adult swim website.

19:55

but also that website is

19:57

a lie. They have several.

20:00

episodes listed that you can't

20:02

watch and then some episodes

20:04

that are not even listed

20:06

on that page. You know,

20:08

there's certain episodes I want

20:10

to watch. I want to

20:13

watch Joshua, my favorite 11

20:15

minutes of television ever. But

20:17

low and behold, now look,

20:19

do I have all the

20:21

DVDs? Of course I do.

20:23

Who do you think I

20:26

am? You're talking to physical

20:28

media Wilson? I

20:30

bought those when they were

20:32

still available, which they're not

20:35

anymore, and I could probably

20:37

sell them for a decent

20:40

chunk of change on eBay

20:42

or whatever. I'm not getting

20:45

rid of those. Those are

20:47

my Space Coast DVDs. But

20:49

I don't want to bust

20:52

those out. I have reached

20:54

the point where it is

20:57

too much trouble to get

20:59

out the DVDs. So I

21:02

was like, man, I really

21:04

wish I could watch these

21:07

online somewhere. And then... I

21:09

happen to come across the

21:12

internet archive corner, which does

21:14

in fact have every episode

21:16

of Space Coast Coast to

21:19

Coast, including the Lawson forgotten

21:21

Game Tap episodes, and those

21:24

suck. So I have been

21:26

over the past week, essentially

21:29

any time that I have

21:31

had, where I have been,

21:34

over the past week, in

21:36

my office watching a video

21:39

on the computer. That video

21:41

has been an episode of

21:43

Space Coast, Coast, Coast, to

21:46

Coast. And I have basically

21:48

gone back through the entire

21:51

series and seen almost all

21:53

of it. And it's like

21:56

a warm blanket. It's like

21:58

the early episodes. I am

22:01

getting to that later episode.

22:03

that I absolutely can. So

22:05

that's that's been nice. Space

22:08

Coast Coast Coast is definitely

22:10

one of those things that

22:13

is in the the Aikwood

22:15

Home Star Runner category of

22:18

things that really rewired how

22:20

my brain works. Oh, same.

22:23

And change the way I

22:25

speak. Yeah. One thing that

22:28

I noted. when George Lowe

22:30

died was that the way

22:32

that he said, his line

22:35

reading of simply the two

22:37

words, oh no, changed the

22:40

way I said, oh no,

22:42

for the rest of my

22:45

life, to where my genuine,

22:47

serious, sincere, oh no, sounds

22:50

like, oh no. And it

22:52

is how I will always

22:55

say it until I am

22:57

dead. It's like

22:59

surely it was not like

23:02

the first time that I

23:04

Really realized what you could

23:06

do with wordplay, but King

23:09

dead Yeah, is still like

23:11

one of the funniest things

23:13

in the world to me.

23:16

Yeah, yeah, it'll be King

23:18

dead Because that was on

23:21

it like that was on

23:23

cartoon network man pre being

23:25

able to cut some cartoon

23:28

network. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's

23:30

that episode starts in the

23:32

middle of the word where

23:35

he's saying King Dead. Yes.

23:37

And then later, there's like,

23:39

he's like talking into a

23:42

bullhorn and there's like static

23:44

that gets rid of it.

23:47

The one that has always

23:49

gotten to me as like,

23:51

oh, that's my sense of

23:54

humor. This is what I

23:56

find funny is in the

23:58

episode Warren which is among

24:01

the weirdest episodes of

24:03

Space Coast to Coast.

24:05

It doesn't, none of

24:07

it takes place in the

24:09

studio. But there's a

24:12

bit where Space Coast and

24:14

Zorak and Multar show up

24:16

at the layer of the

24:18

title character Warren.

24:20

And Warren's not there

24:22

yet. And there's this

24:24

like computer on a

24:26

pillar. that's like saying

24:29

everything that they have to

24:31

do to enter. And Zorak

24:33

says something about what

24:35

are you gonna glue my mouth

24:37

shut if I don't stop talking?

24:39

And Space Coast goes, no,

24:42

I will use medical sutures,

24:44

which I keep in my

24:46

Fannie Pack. And there's like

24:48

a little animated Fannie Pack

24:51

he's wearing. And the

24:53

computer, as soon as he

24:55

says Fannie Pack, goes. You

24:57

know the rules no

24:59

fanny packs and so

25:01

the fanny pack disappears

25:03

from him and spaces

25:06

goes my breakfast bars

25:08

That is so fucking

25:10

funny Yeah, I don't

25:12

know if Evan Dorkin

25:15

hates me or if

25:17

that's just Evan

25:19

Dorkin yeah But if we can

25:21

ever get him on the show, I

25:24

would love to ask him about his

25:26

time on Space Ghost. Avidorkan and Sarah

25:28

Dyer wrote a bunch of those episodes,

25:30

yeah. As far as I know, Sarah

25:32

Dyer has no feelings about me one way

25:34

or the other. Yeah. As far as I know,

25:36

Chris, let's make some recommendations.

25:39

What do you have to recommend?

25:41

Matt, I am going to recommend

25:43

a game. It's called Kingdom Hearts.

25:45

No, you're not. No, you're

25:48

not. I'm just playing.

25:50

I'm playing. You're messing

25:52

around. I'm having a larf.

25:54

Yeah. Here in the Weep

25:57

written section of gimmick

25:59

street. No, this is

26:01

a game that is very

26:03

simple. I think you would

26:06

maybe get a lot out

26:08

of it. It is called

26:10

Loop Hero. Do you know

26:13

about Loop Hero? I do

26:15

not know about Loop Hero.

26:17

Loop Hero is a very

26:20

like, almost like adventure, the

26:22

video game adventure in terms

26:24

of graphics. As far as

26:27

what the main screen looks

26:29

like, very pixelated, very like

26:31

retro, you know, city laid

26:33

out on a tile sort

26:36

of thing, the premise is

26:38

that you are a survivor

26:40

of some kind of horrible

26:43

apocalypse and you are walking

26:45

in a big loop. And

26:47

as you walk in a

26:50

big loop, monster spawn and

26:52

when you fight the monsters,

26:54

you get tiles that you

26:57

can lay down that are

26:59

different kinds of, I guess

27:01

biomes for lack of a

27:04

better word. like forests, swamps,

27:06

mountains, and such, and each

27:08

one has a different effect,

27:10

but through it all you're

27:13

walking on this loop, the

27:15

walking happens automatically, the fighting

27:17

happens automatically. What you are

27:20

doing is placing the tiles

27:22

and giving your little guy

27:24

like weapons and equipment. Very

27:27

simple, but also every time

27:29

you choose to stop or

27:31

die. It is, it starts

27:34

over, it is a rogue-like

27:36

in that way. But the,

27:38

appropriately enough, gameplay loop is

27:40

very compelling because between these

27:43

little loops around this loop,

27:45

you have to improve your

27:47

settlement and you kind of

27:50

get deeper into the sort

27:52

of story, which is itself

27:54

very compelling. There's like time

27:57

loopal. stuff in it, obviously,

27:59

but part of the premise

28:01

of the game is you

28:04

can't remember anything. And so

28:06

in rebuilding the world, it's

28:08

actually happening by you remembering

28:11

it, which is interesting. Very,

28:13

very fun game that I

28:15

liked a lot. It is

28:17

published by Devolver, who you

28:20

may know from Cult of

28:22

the Lamb, as well as

28:24

plenty of other. games, many

28:27

of which I have and

28:29

that we have talked about

28:31

on the show. The Messenger

28:34

was a Devolver game, which

28:36

is one of my one

28:38

of my favorite metroids, Vania

28:41

of all time, entered the

28:43

Gun Gen, Downwell, Hotline Miami,

28:45

I believe, was a Devolver

28:48

game. Yeah, so very much

28:50

in that. Sort of if

28:52

you take a sit back

28:54

and look at all of

28:57

those games as having kind

28:59

of an aesthetic very much

29:01

in that aesthetic But yeah,

29:04

it's highly enjoyable. I either

29:06

got it on sale or

29:08

in a humble bundle or

29:11

something But uh Ted Anderson

29:13

actually recommended it to me

29:15

before I had played it

29:18

after after I bought it

29:20

before I played it The

29:22

regular price is 15 bucks,

29:24

but it's pretty frequently on

29:27

sale as is a lot

29:29

of devolver stuff and I'm

29:31

getting a lot of enjoyment

29:34

out of it. The writing

29:36

is very compelling and the

29:38

action is for a game

29:41

where you don't really control

29:43

anything of the placement of

29:45

tiles the action is also

29:48

like honestly pretty fun. Just

29:50

you know it manages to

29:52

pull off having Much

29:55

like vampire survivors, having action take

29:57

place that is not under your

29:59

direct... control in a lot of

30:02

ways. I'm really enjoying it. A

30:04

fun thing is the different ways

30:06

that the biomes can interact

30:08

with each other. I'm a

30:10

few hours into it and

30:12

I still feel like it's

30:15

opening up to me, but it's

30:17

definitely, like the first time

30:19

that you put down a

30:22

tile and it changes something

30:24

around it into a different

30:26

thing, it's pretty fun. But

30:28

yeah. Good good stuff. I think

30:30

you in particular would

30:32

enjoy it, but I think

30:34

if you are looking for

30:37

something that's Got that retro

30:39

feel feels a little bit

30:41

like your your vampire survivors

30:44

is in those ways Definitely

30:46

check out loop here. Matt, what

30:48

do you have to recommend to

30:51

the people? Kingdom hearts?

30:53

No, I haven't played Any

30:56

kingdom hearts that I

30:59

can recall what I

31:01

have played is many hours

31:03

and yes, we're finally

31:05

doing it Many hours of

31:07

like a dragon infinite

31:10

wealth and The recommendation

31:13

is here finally now Let

31:15

me say this I said last

31:17

time I talked about this

31:20

game that I was waiting

31:22

for the big soap

31:24

opera twist Uh-huh. And

31:26

the twists of it

31:28

like a Dragon Infinite Wealth

31:30

is kind of that there

31:33

isn't one. There is

31:35

a character who is

31:37

revealed to secretly be

31:39

related to another character,

31:42

a main character of the

31:44

game. But those two characters

31:47

never have a final

31:49

face-to-face showdown. As far

31:51

as I can tell, they never

31:53

meet. Okay.

31:55

It is

31:58

like a Like,

32:00

because there are two

32:02

sets of factions of

32:04

heroes in the game.

32:06

There's Casaika, Ichuban Casa,

32:08

and his group, which

32:10

mostly stay in Hawaii

32:12

throughout the game. And

32:15

then there's Cosmakiriu and

32:17

his group, which is

32:19

mostly in, uh, not

32:21

Kamaracho, Ejincho, in Yokohama.

32:23

Which is where the

32:25

first game. largely took

32:27

place. And there is

32:29

a bit where Ijuban

32:31

and his group are

32:33

in Japan, but largely

32:35

they stay in those

32:37

places and deal with

32:40

the threats that are

32:42

in those places. And

32:44

so, yeah, there's a

32:46

kind of an interesting

32:48

separation there. As I

32:50

mentioned before. V-Tubers are

32:52

a big part of

32:54

the game. And I

32:56

will say one of

32:58

the big like story

33:00

revelations is the identity

33:02

of a V-Tuber and

33:04

that's fucking great. That

33:07

ends up being fantastic.

33:09

Is it true? No.

33:11

As far as like

33:13

big soap opera story

33:15

twists, not as many

33:17

as in the first

33:19

game for sure. But

33:21

as far as like

33:23

gameplay, the many games.

33:25

The resolution of the

33:27

story, the way it

33:29

moves things forward for

33:31

both Ijuban Kaska and

33:34

Kasmakiriyu as well as

33:36

the other characters, is

33:38

really good. Even though

33:40

Ijuban, the way the

33:42

game treats Ijuban is

33:44

interesting. Because he is

33:46

a main character of

33:48

the game for sure.

33:50

But he also kind

33:52

of ends up. Exactly

33:54

where he started. I

33:56

mean, he does it,

33:58

he does it. But

34:01

it's, it is curious

34:03

the way that part

34:05

of the game story

34:07

is told. But ultimately,

34:09

like, I love the

34:11

turn-based gameplay. It's way

34:13

better for me than

34:15

the gameplay of the

34:17

older Yakuza games. And

34:19

I love these characters.

34:21

Basically to the point

34:23

that I will play

34:25

a game that they

34:28

are in no matter

34:30

what Certainly if each

34:32

one is in a

34:34

game. I'm playing it

34:36

So That's where I'm

34:38

at like a dragon

34:40

infinite wealth very fun

34:42

very good And Chris

34:44

those are checks and

34:46

wrecks Which means it's

34:48

time for us to

34:50

talk about some comics.

34:53

All right, let's do

34:55

it Folks you knew

34:57

this was gonna happen

34:59

You knew we were

35:01

going to do it.

35:03

It's the winner of

35:05

the Texas Choice this

35:07

week, but not in

35:09

a good way. The

35:11

first issue of Hush-2-Hush,

35:13

Batman No. 158, it's

35:15

out. We texted about

35:17

it. I, to quote

35:20

my text, said it

35:22

sucks shit. Now Chris

35:24

you noted in your

35:26

text that in Hush

35:28

2 Batman wears his

35:30

real clothes. Correct. Which

35:32

is mostly true. It's

35:34

it's close enough for

35:36

me. It's the the

35:38

yellow oval around a

35:40

bat like his his

35:42

old costume. It gets

35:44

messed up because. He

35:47

gets electrocuted? Like, uh,

35:49

whatever, whatever the fuck

35:51

happens. He, uh, he

35:53

has... a,

35:55

if you

35:57

try and

35:59

take his

36:01

mask off, it

36:04

will electrocute you, which is

36:07

different than what happens if

36:09

you try to take his

36:11

mask off in a haunch, which

36:15

is that it shot

36:17

gas out. And so I,

36:19

there is a line of

36:21

dialogue that I feel like

36:23

is maybe a lettering pass

36:25

correction where Batman's like, yeah,

36:27

if you try to take my mask off, it'll

36:30

shoot gas or, or it'll

36:32

also electrify you. So

36:34

you think that

36:36

second text box saying,

36:38

Oh, it might be

36:41

gas is was added in gas or it's

36:43

going to electrify you. Yeah, I mean,

36:45

look, maybe that's just me being negative.

36:47

It's entirely possible that that is not the

36:49

case at all. But yes, Batman's costume

36:51

gets all messed up. And since Batman, I

36:53

guess, only has one, one

36:56

of each of his costumes. He

36:59

goes back to the back and puts on his real

37:01

clothes. Except that

37:03

the cape and

37:05

cowl are black instead

37:07

of blue. So

37:09

so at first he's got a

37:11

blue cape and cowl, but no

37:14

oval. And then

37:16

he's got a black cape

37:18

and cowl, but also the oval. I

37:20

like the oval. It's,

37:22

it's fine. I don't understand why the cape and

37:24

cowl have to be black. I

37:27

don't know. I don't know.

37:29

They can be blue. Why can't they be

37:31

blue? I think they should be blue. I mean,

37:33

you know me. I know what

37:35

Batman's real clothes are. It's the clothes they wore for

37:37

36 years. Yeah. The

37:39

reason we're talking so much about Batman's clothes is

37:41

because this story is dumb as a brick. I

37:44

think I understand why Hush was

37:46

so popular now, though. Because

37:51

this is a story

37:53

that you don't have to have

37:55

read anything to get. Well, see,

37:57

Matt, I would, I would. to

38:00

differ with you on that.

38:02

Because here's the thing. I

38:04

have had people, a friend

38:06

of mine, when I met

38:08

her, we were talking about

38:10

Batman, I was like, oh,

38:13

what's, like, what got you

38:15

into Batman? And she was like,

38:17

hey, don't be mean to me,

38:19

but it was hush. And I

38:22

was like, oh, no, no, look,

38:24

that's totally fine. A,

38:26

that's gonna be, you know, D.C.

38:28

wanted that. That book to

38:31

get over So I think they

38:33

intended for that book to

38:35

be an entry point for people.

38:37

Yeah, yeah, and look hush is

38:40

bad and dumb and Like that

38:42

shit with the riddler makes

38:44

no fucking sense But if

38:46

you've never read a Batman

38:49

comic then you don't know

38:51

that there's all that stuff

38:54

happens in better stories Like

38:56

you don't know that there's like

38:58

a really good story where Batman

39:00

takes his shirt off and fights Rosalgoul

39:03

with a sort You know you don't

39:05

know that because you've never read it.

39:07

So you see that and you're like oh,

39:09

that's cool. It's like yeah Yeah, it is

39:11

really cool. Imagine if it wasn't

39:13

a good comic though So I have no I

39:15

have no Disregard or disrespect for

39:18

people who like got into

39:20

Batman with hush because I think it

39:22

is in many ways designed to be

39:24

a comic for people who

39:27

have never read Batman comics

39:29

before, because if you have

39:31

read Batman comics before,

39:33

you'll know that shit doesn't

39:35

make any sense. This is

39:37

kind of an ideal follow-up to

39:39

that, because it is a

39:41

story that assumes you have read

39:44

Hush, and also you've read Killing

39:46

Joke and Death in the Family. And

39:48

I guess the laughing fish?

39:50

There's no way it expects

39:52

you to have read the laughing fish.

39:56

But but people know about joke

39:58

or having laughing fish Yeah,

40:00

but like here's the thing

40:02

it's references to all of

40:05

those stories are so oblique

40:07

and Like you don't really

40:10

have to have read them

40:12

to follow this story because

40:15

this story I'll repeat is

40:17

dumb as a brick. Oh

40:20

as a sack of hammers,

40:22

yeah There's a scene, okay,

40:25

so when Batman falls into

40:27

the water with the laughing

40:30

fish and they try to

40:32

take off his mask and

40:35

he gets electrocuted by his

40:37

own defensive measure. I think

40:40

he pulls his own mask

40:42

off to electrocute the fish.

40:45

Oh, is that what happens?

40:47

Yeah, but the joker has

40:50

damaged the circuitry. I guess

40:52

maybe on purpose or maybe

40:55

not. He doesn't know. There's

40:57

a whole sequence of him

40:59

being like, did he damage

41:02

the circuitry on purpose or

41:04

was it just an accident?

41:07

But also like how could

41:09

the circuitry protect him from

41:12

electrocution underwater? I think that

41:14

man might just be dumb

41:17

as shit. I mean that

41:19

is a common problem with

41:22

hush. Yeah. Yeah, so Batman

41:24

electrocutes himself and it's saved

41:27

by Talial Ghul. And look,

41:29

we've read a bunch of

41:32

comics about Batman and Talial

41:34

Ghul and all of their

41:37

history and everything that they've

41:39

done together. I'd say I've

41:42

read more than the average

41:44

person. Yeah, how does Hush

41:47

Two summarize their relationship? I'll

41:49

just read the caption boxes.

41:52

Talial Ghul. Daughter of

41:54

Rosalcoul, daughter of the demon.

41:56

She is the mother, she

41:58

is also the mother of

42:01

Damien Wayne. My... Our son,

42:03

the relationship is complicated at

42:05

best. And that is where

42:07

I said out loud reading

42:10

this comic, fuck off. Because

42:12

like, like, it's not an

42:14

inaccurate description, but it's like,

42:16

it's baby's first Batman comic.

42:19

You can definitely make Baby's

42:21

First Batman comic and have

42:23

it be good. Yeah. But

42:25

this is Baby's First Batman

42:28

comic and it sucks and

42:30

it's bad. The thing that

42:32

got me was when... I

42:35

fucking love that Hush has

42:37

super doctor powers. You can

42:39

throw knives, you can throw

42:41

knives very accurately. Scalp scalpels.

42:44

They're scalpels. He can throw

42:46

scalpels so accurately that they

42:48

will nick your major arteries,

42:50

but not sever them, and

42:53

so you'll bleed to death,

42:55

but it'll take you a

42:57

while. And like, again, to

42:59

be entirely fair, Hush has

43:02

had super doctor power since

43:04

fucking day one, right? Like

43:06

we knew Hush had super

43:08

doctor powers. It's just very

43:11

funny when they come back

43:13

up. He removed catwoman's heart

43:15

that one time. He removed

43:17

catwoman's heart using apocalypse tech.

43:20

Which, hey, yeah, where did

43:22

Tommy Elliot Hush get a

43:24

pocket? You know what? Never

43:26

fucking mind. I'm not getting

43:29

into heart of Hush. But

43:31

Hush did also like cut

43:33

his own face off and

43:35

replace it with Bruce Wayne

43:38

face. Like, but he's back.

43:40

Face surgery on himself. He's

43:42

back to the bandages now.

43:44

Yeah, because that's his costume,

43:47

Matt. Because that's, yeah, because

43:49

that's what he wears, I

43:51

guess, yeah. That's his costume.

43:53

Because, because if he wasn't

43:56

wearing it, Joker would be

43:58

like Bruce Wayne. Why are

44:00

you hitting me with scalples?

44:02

Why are you throwing scalples

44:05

at me and hitting all

44:07

my major arteries? But here's what

44:09

I love is when Batman finds

44:12

out that it's hush doing

44:14

a twush. He says only

44:16

one man could or would do

44:18

this. One man with the knowledge

44:20

of who I am and what

44:22

I believe in who has the

44:25

skills to execute what he sees

44:27

as a game. Only one man.

44:29

Hush, motherfucker, you mentioned

44:31

Rosal Ghul in this

44:33

comic. Yeah, and the Riddler

44:36

was the villain of the

44:38

last one of these stories.

44:41

Yeah, the Riddler doesn't remember

44:43

that shit anymore. The Riddler

44:45

is actually aware that, um,

44:48

that these stories referenced in

44:50

this story are from one,

44:52

two, three versions of the

44:55

DC Universe ago. That's

44:57

hypertime, baby. Also,

44:59

Tommy Elliot Hush has apparently

45:02

not read very many Batman

45:04

comics. Because the question that

45:06

he thinks is relevant and

45:08

pertinent to ask is, why

45:10

does it Batman kill the joker?

45:12

Interesting, interesting.

45:14

You know what, I hope we find out

45:17

why Batman does not simply buy

45:19

crime in this. Hey, can I ask one

45:21

more question about this comic? You can,

45:23

I have one more thought, but

45:25

I will, please ask him with

45:27

a question. What the fuck

45:30

is going on with those

45:32

caption boxes? The Batman Thought

45:35

caption boxes? Where it's

45:37

all like that? They look

45:39

terrible. Like they're not

45:42

just a gradient of

45:44

blue to a lighter blue.

45:46

They're like, I don't even

45:48

know how to texture,

45:50

I think. There's some

45:52

kind of texturing on them.

45:54

And it makes it hard to

45:57

read. Why did

45:59

they do? that? Like Richard

46:01

Starkings is doing the

46:04

lettering here. Why did

46:06

he do that? Great

46:09

question. Great, great question.

46:12

Yeah. I will say

46:14

this. I've mellowed out

46:17

in in my old

46:19

age, Matt, because first

46:22

of all, lunch was

46:24

fucking 20 years ago.

46:27

Lunch sounds like some

46:29

kind of weird variation

46:32

of lunch. Lunch. Lunch.

46:34

I should say. What?

46:37

One? One? One? Lunch.

46:40

Lunch? It's hard to

46:42

get your mouth around

46:45

the events of of

46:47

original hush. Yeah. The

46:50

first part of the

46:52

hush trilogy. Don't,

46:55

don't, don't, don't bring that.

46:57

Do you not think there's

47:00

going to be one, Matt?

47:02

I mean, of course there

47:04

is, but maybe it'll take

47:06

another, how long has it

47:09

been, 17 years? Long time.

47:11

It's been a long-ass time,

47:13

like almost one years. And

47:15

this is what I'll say.

47:17

I've mellowed out. I'm not

47:20

the hater I once was.

47:22

I used to hate at

47:24

an Olympic level. Now I...

47:26

I hate with the skill

47:28

and aptitude of someone who

47:31

engages in moderate regular exercise.

47:33

Right, yeah. If you were

47:35

reading my Marvel Universe trading

47:37

card, that's what it would

47:40

say. Like Jim Lee's art

47:42

in this. It's not bad.

47:44

It's... I mean, it looks

47:46

the exact same as Hush

47:48

One, but yeah, like I'm,

47:51

you know. Batmobile design? No,

47:53

the Batmobile sounds bad. But

47:55

it's... Yeah, it's good. I

47:57

mean, it's very like, like

47:59

the Joker is very, it

48:02

looks like a comic from

48:04

25 years ago for all

48:06

the good, in all the

48:08

good ways and all the

48:10

bad ways. Yeah. You know?

48:13

The thing I don't like

48:15

about that bad mobile design

48:17

is, um, why is the

48:19

jet engine on the front

48:22

of the car? Buddy, I

48:24

could not tell you. Is

48:26

it for when he needs

48:28

to like break really? Quick.

48:30

Maybe. Weird. Weird stuff. Why

48:33

are the headlights trapezoids? It's

48:35

just weird. It's a weird

48:37

looking design. Also I like

48:39

how Batman's like, this stuff

48:41

on Joker's shoe indicates that

48:44

he's at a circus. There's

48:46

no circus in town. Must

48:48

be an amusement park. It's

48:50

like... Those are different things.

48:53

Those are different things and

48:55

you could have just said...

48:58

He's at an amusement park. Like,

49:00

like, oh, where would Joker be

49:03

if he wants me to find

49:05

him? Probably at an amusement park.

49:07

Yeah, he's probably gonna be at

49:10

that same place from the killing

49:12

joke. You've read the killing joke,

49:14

right? Yeah. I love how everyone

49:17

in this comic has read comics.

49:19

Except Tommy Elliot, who is like,

49:21

I have a pertinent question for

49:24

you, Beb. I like how Tommy

49:26

Elliot is like, hey. Hey,

49:29

I know that you can't

49:31

hear me right now, but

49:33

I'm going to give you

49:36

a whole out loud monologue

49:38

whispering, and it's going to

49:40

be about why I'm whispering,

49:42

and also throwing scalples at

49:45

you. Well, like, it's an

49:47

act, but I will establish

49:49

at the top of this

49:51

scene that you can't hear

49:54

me, so I don't, but

49:56

I just, I like talking.

50:01

This could have been narrative

50:04

captions, Jeff. This could have

50:06

been narrative captions, it could

50:08

have been thought balloons, thought

50:10

bubbles. Yeah, have we even mentioned

50:12

that Jeff Lobe is back writing?

50:15

I mean, I don't know that

50:17

he is. Yeah, of course he

50:19

is, man. It's hush. It's hush. No,

50:21

it's not going to be every

50:23

issue of it. Yep. Exact same.

50:25

Let's talk about a comic we

50:28

do like, though. Absolute Martian

50:30

Manhunter. Which I think

50:32

you were very correct to say

50:35

is great like all the

50:37

other absolute books But in

50:39

a totally different way than

50:42

those other absolute books are

50:44

great Yeah, absolute Batman,

50:47

absolute Superman and absolute

50:49

Wonder Woman, I think

50:52

are very action forward books

50:54

in a you know a way

50:56

that I like action stories as

50:58

you know I don't read

51:01

these things to not

51:03

see people fight. That's

51:05

not what I'm about. But

51:07

this one is much

51:10

more psychological and much

51:13

more introspective in

51:15

many ways, and in a

51:17

lot of ways, plays with

51:20

the format of comics in

51:22

ways that those other books

51:25

don't. Yeah, it reminds

51:27

me so much of... vertical

51:31

books, particularly

51:34

from the late 90s

51:37

and early 2000s,

51:39

but then also like

51:41

way, like way

51:43

very much of

51:46

vertical books, particularly

51:49

from the late

51:51

90s and early 2000s.

51:54

Javier Rodriguez

51:57

is the artist on

51:59

this. Dennis Camp is

52:01

the writer, but Javier

52:03

Rodriguez's art is so

52:05

reminiscent to me of

52:07

that kind of art

52:10

that was really popular

52:12

in the late 90s,

52:14

early 2000s that sort

52:16

of have a 60s

52:18

pop art throwback feel

52:20

to them. Like everything

52:22

is very designed. And

52:24

like that is such

52:27

an appealing look to

52:29

me. As far as

52:31

I know, Aveiro Riga

52:33

is also doing the

52:35

colors here. And this

52:37

is an incredibly colorful

52:39

comic as well, where

52:41

the colors are part

52:43

of the story. And

52:46

I love that. visually

52:48

stunning in so many

52:50

ways. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

52:52

art by Javier Rodriguez

52:54

is listed here. And

52:56

Rodriguez is a, like,

52:58

a real favorite of

53:00

both of us. Yeah.

53:03

From various work, I

53:05

mean, going back to

53:07

working on like Robin

53:09

Year One, I think

53:11

he drew. And all

53:13

those defenders comics. Oh,

53:15

his Defender's Comics, yeah.

53:17

He's someone that'll follow,

53:19

regardless. Dennis Camp is

53:22

someone that I'm pretty

53:24

unfamiliar with, but is

53:26

definitely telling a very

53:28

compelling story in a

53:30

very compelling way that

53:32

in its way makes

53:34

as much of a

53:36

change to Martian Manhunter

53:39

as like absolute Batman

53:41

did to Batman. Well,

53:43

yeah, I mean, we're

53:45

going to spoil it

53:47

here. If you haven't

53:49

read the issue yet,

53:51

skip ahead. This is

53:53

a John Jones. who

53:55

doesn't know that he's

53:58

a Martian manhunter, somehow

54:00

that memory has faded.

54:02

And so he's having

54:04

to be reminded of

54:06

it. And there's this

54:08

bit at the end

54:10

where he receives a

54:12

mirrored message for himself

54:15

to remind himself of

54:17

what it is. That

54:19

if you read it

54:21

physically, you have to

54:23

hold up to a

54:25

light to see. Like

54:28

that's so fucking cool. Yeah,

54:30

yeah, and What he tells

54:33

himself is we're the Martian

54:35

mind fucker earlier? He lists

54:38

all the things that he

54:40

is Because it's like Mind

54:43

hunt kill save redeem heal

54:45

er so he's the Martian

54:48

mind hunter the redeem heel

54:50

er so he's the Martian

54:53

mind hunter the Martian mind

54:55

hunter the Martian mind-saver the

54:58

Martian mind healer And I

55:00

love that, but it does

55:03

look like he's saying we're

55:05

the Martian minefucker. Yeah. Which

55:08

I think is fully on

55:10

purpose because this comic is

55:13

like John Jones is like

55:15

real minefuck for him today.

55:18

Right, because he's only starting

55:20

to realize that he can

55:23

inhale thoughts, inhale other people's

55:25

thoughts. These other people's thoughts

55:27

start showing up as like

55:30

visual depictions of smells in

55:32

all different colors and it

55:35

looks so so cool. It's

55:37

so good. My question for

55:40

you Matt is you think

55:42

this is a Jean-John's Martian

55:45

man hunter who doesn't know

55:47

that he's the Martian man

55:50

hunter. I mean that that

55:52

was my assumption, but I

55:55

question is, is it that

55:57

or is he? A,

56:00

does, is he some kind of

56:02

just stault, like John

56:04

Jones's body died and

56:06

was merged with this

56:08

telepathic creature that is

56:10

the Martian man hunter? That

56:13

is John Jones. I mean, you

56:15

know, like, one thing that we've

56:17

always said about these absolute

56:20

books is that they kind

56:22

of like, remove something

56:24

we think of as a key

56:27

part of these characters, right? Yeah.

56:29

I'm willing to follow it

56:31

wherever it goes with any

56:34

kind of potential change

56:36

in that in that sense. So

56:38

we'll see we'll see what it

56:40

what what is revealed. Yeah

56:43

very exciting and very

56:45

beautiful book and fantastic

56:47

littering by Hassan as

56:49

well. Yeah this is

56:51

a book with fantastic

56:54

great great great lettering

56:56

yeah. Yeah, Hasan Otsemane

56:58

Elleau did the lettering

57:01

on this and is one

57:03

of the greats, man. There's

57:05

a lot of, it's hard

57:08

to tell what is Hasan's

57:10

lettering and what is original

57:13

to Rodriguez's art,

57:15

because there's a lot

57:17

of like text built

57:19

into the art. But that's

57:21

great. I love it. I love

57:23

it. I love it. It looks so

57:26

good. All

57:29

right Chris, those are the

57:31

only two comics we're talking

57:33

about this week because

57:35

we got to get into our

57:38

new segment one to

57:40

ten of swords. Let's do

57:42

it. That's right. Our new

57:44

game for 2025 and beyond

57:46

is called one to ten

57:48

of swords. Now the one

57:50

in the ten are in

57:53

Roman numerals so that this

57:55

can be a reference to

57:57

The comic book event,

57:59

10. or X of swords.

58:01

Yeah, we should say that

58:04

this idea came to us

58:06

from our sword brother, Benita

58:08

Serino, who initially pitched it

58:10

as X slash X of

58:13

swords, 10 out of 10

58:15

of swords, which is complicated.

58:17

That's a great one to

58:20

say out loud and have

58:22

text, but one or the

58:24

other makes it difficult. So

58:26

it is it is one

58:29

to it is I to

58:31

X of sorts one to

58:33

ten of sorts. Yes we

58:36

are not ranking we are

58:38

rating Correct we are this

58:40

is a rating segment not

58:42

a ranking segment. So correct

58:45

what we're going to be

58:47

doing and what you should

58:49

send us. Well first man

58:52

I want to say I

58:54

want to establish some ground

58:56

rules all right. We are

58:58

going to be raiding swords.

59:01

You and I. I would

59:03

say I more than you,

59:05

but I'm not going to

59:08

take it away from you.

59:10

We are two people who

59:12

think about swords a lot.

59:14

We read a lot of

59:17

stories and watch a lot

59:19

of content that has swords

59:21

in it. I think about

59:24

swords every single minute of

59:26

my life. And

59:28

as we all know, some

59:31

sorts are better than other

59:33

sorts. We are going to

59:36

be ranking sorts or rating

59:38

sorts on a scale of

59:40

I to X. Yes. We

59:43

have not yet discussed if

59:45

we're going to do like

59:47

fractions. Like are we going

59:50

to like can something be

59:52

like a 7.5? Like decibel

59:54

points. Yeah, not mat fractions.

59:57

Not mat fractions. I think

59:59

we will figure that out

1:00:02

as we go. Okay. But

1:00:04

my sense is, especially if

1:00:06

we're doing Roman numerals, we're

1:00:09

just going to do integers.

1:00:11

We're just going to do

1:00:13

the whole numbers. Okay. With

1:00:16

no, with no in between.

1:00:18

But if we, if we

1:00:20

get one where we just

1:00:23

cannot say it's a seven

1:00:25

or an eight and it's

1:00:27

got to be a 7.5,

1:00:30

then. We will cross that

1:00:32

bridge when we come to

1:00:35

it. Right. Now, we have

1:00:37

a preference, I would say,

1:00:39

for unique swords is what

1:00:42

we're looking for. We're looking

1:00:44

for unique named swords. Yes.

1:00:46

However, there are some minor

1:00:49

and slight exceptions to that

1:00:51

I do think. I'm just

1:00:53

going to throw out here

1:00:56

and you can tell me,

1:00:58

I think we'll agree on

1:01:01

them. I think we'll absolutely

1:01:03

agree on them. All right.

1:01:05

A matched set of swords

1:01:08

is a sword. Is one

1:01:10

sword. Is one sword. Is

1:01:12

one entry on the list.

1:01:15

A diceo is a sword.

1:01:17

That is a matched set.

1:01:19

You don't see one without

1:01:22

the other. Okay, so the

1:01:24

Blades of Chaos, we are

1:01:27

calling swords. I would say

1:01:29

the Blades of Chaos are

1:01:31

short swords. Despite them not

1:01:34

being held by the handles

1:01:36

and being thrown around by

1:01:38

chains. They're held by the

1:01:41

handles. They're not used in

1:01:43

the way that swords typically

1:01:45

are, but, all right, they

1:01:48

are swords with handles. We'll

1:01:50

allow it. I mean, look,

1:01:52

maybe it won't come up.

1:01:55

Because this leads me to.

1:01:57

what we want from listeners.

1:02:00

As we did with Thursday

1:02:02

Night Raw, we want your

1:02:04

submissions by email to warrocket

1:02:07

podcast@gmail.com. And please only send

1:02:09

them by email. Do not

1:02:11

try to send them to

1:02:14

me on Blue Sky or

1:02:16

Discord or on Patreon because

1:02:18

I need these to all

1:02:21

be in one place so

1:02:23

I can find them easily.

1:02:26

So just. email them to

1:02:28

warrocket podcast gmail.com and what

1:02:30

I want you to do

1:02:33

is send in your entry

1:02:35

one sword or set of

1:02:37

swords correct do not send

1:02:40

a list of three or

1:02:42

four do not send multiple

1:02:44

choices send one sword that

1:02:47

you would like to be

1:02:49

rated yeah and to that

1:02:51

end When I say that

1:02:54

a matched set of swords

1:02:56

is a sword, match set.

1:02:59

Young willow and willow branch

1:03:01

are a sword. Twinkle and

1:03:03

icing death are two swords.

1:03:06

So if they're two swords

1:03:08

used together, but that are

1:03:10

very distinct from one another,

1:03:13

they are two separate swords

1:03:15

used by the same person,

1:03:17

but they are not matched.

1:03:20

They can, they count as

1:03:22

separate swords. Okay, there's going

1:03:25

to be some wiggle room

1:03:27

on that, and we understand

1:03:29

that, but... Just like the

1:03:32

Every Story Ever List, 80

1:03:34

issues can be a story,

1:03:36

eight pages can be a

1:03:39

story. Yeah, use your best

1:03:41

judgment for what is either

1:03:43

a single sword or a

1:03:46

match set of swords. Yes,

1:03:48

here's the other thing that

1:03:50

I want to throw out

1:03:53

there, Matt. We've talked about

1:03:55

specific named swords, which... brings

1:03:58

up the question of what

1:04:00

if it is a fairly

1:04:02

unique category. of sword and

1:04:05

I will I will explain.

1:04:07

Okay. Light sabers a sword.

1:04:09

Right. But I'm not out

1:04:12

here trying to rank Luke

1:04:14

Skywalkers Lightsaver. Anakin Skywalkers Lightsaver.

1:04:16

Base Windows Lightsaver. That's the

1:04:19

same fucking sword. But... Darth

1:04:21

Moles Lightsaver and Kylo Wrens

1:04:24

Lightsaver are different. They are

1:04:26

different, yes. Okay. Okay. Okay.

1:04:28

I see what I'm saying.

1:04:31

You get what I'm saying?

1:04:33

Yes. Now, what if- Would

1:04:35

you accept ranking lightsaber as

1:04:38

a sword? Yes. Okay. I

1:04:40

would also rank, like, say,

1:04:42

Dungeons and Dragons shortsword, starter

1:04:45

sword, right? I see, that's

1:04:47

too broad a category. But

1:04:50

I'm just talking about like

1:04:52

the generic. Short sword, none

1:04:54

of the named or special

1:04:57

or magic ones. You know

1:04:59

what I'm saying? If people

1:05:01

aren't sending us the name

1:05:04

for special or magic ones.

1:05:06

Sure. I feel, I just

1:05:08

feel like lightsaber is gonna

1:05:11

be an immediate submission. Yeah,

1:05:13

I know that people are

1:05:15

gonna be looking for swords

1:05:18

that are bad. And a

1:05:20

lot of those are gonna

1:05:23

be more of the standard

1:05:25

issue generic swords. I would

1:05:27

also say at least for

1:05:30

now, let's rank just one

1:05:32

sword used by a particular

1:05:34

character. So if you're... That's

1:05:37

going to be a problem

1:05:39

though. Well, unless they use

1:05:41

two swords at the same

1:05:44

time. Well, Matt, you're telling

1:05:46

me that I can only

1:05:49

pick one sword from Castlevania

1:05:51

some food of the night.

1:05:55

I mean what I was thinking of

1:05:58

was like Final Fantasy 7 where I

1:06:02

kind of want to

1:06:04

only rank the Buster

1:06:06

Sword and not a

1:06:08

bunch of other of

1:06:10

cloud swords. Right. I

1:06:12

get that. But, but,

1:06:14

all right, I'll allow

1:06:16

some wiggle room on

1:06:18

that. I also say

1:06:20

we are not ranking

1:06:22

things based on stats.

1:06:24

This is more of

1:06:26

an aesthetic vibes. These

1:06:28

are all vibes based

1:06:30

ratings. Yes. Not, not.

1:06:32

What's the most powerful

1:06:34

sword? Which ironically, a

1:06:36

Vibro blade from Star

1:06:38

Wars would not rank

1:06:40

well. So, if you

1:06:42

were planning to submit

1:06:44

one, note that. So,

1:06:46

I think that's all

1:06:48

the ground rules that

1:06:51

I have. You can,

1:06:53

look, you can use

1:06:55

historical swords. If they

1:06:57

are specific swords. Your,

1:06:59

your joy is. you

1:07:01

can use legendary swords.

1:07:03

I will say if

1:07:05

you are submitting, for

1:07:07

instance, Excalibur, maybe specify

1:07:09

which Excalibur, because I

1:07:11

feel like we could

1:07:13

definitely go, like there's

1:07:15

multiple versions of that

1:07:17

that are distinct enough

1:07:19

to get passed. By

1:07:21

the same token, if

1:07:23

you're gonna submit Masamune.

1:07:26

That's got to be you

1:07:28

got to specify which Masamune

1:07:30

because there are a lot

1:07:32

of different Masamunez and a

1:07:34

lot of different things Yeah,

1:07:36

you got to say it's

1:07:39

I want that big one

1:07:41

that set for off god.

1:07:43

Yeah, yeah or or The

1:07:45

one from kerno trigger Like

1:07:47

it's you got to be

1:07:49

specific about If if there

1:07:51

are many different versions of

1:07:53

a legendary named sword we

1:07:55

got to know Same goes

1:07:57

for a sword that is

1:08:00

like in a bunch of

1:08:02

different games in

1:08:04

a particular series.

1:08:07

So if you're

1:08:09

submitting the moonlight

1:08:11

blade from the various

1:08:14

from soft games,

1:08:16

that's good sword.

1:08:19

You got to say which

1:08:21

game you're talking

1:08:23

about. Okay. Yes. Great.

1:08:26

The moonlight great. what

1:08:28

it's often called in

1:08:30

many games, but I

1:08:32

think it's got slightly

1:08:34

different names, slightly different

1:08:36

names in different games.

1:08:39

Okay, so here's what we're

1:08:41

going to do tonight. We

1:08:43

want you to send in

1:08:45

your submissions now. Let me

1:08:47

state clearly. I'm rescinding by

1:08:49

thing about one sword per

1:08:51

character. We don't have to do

1:08:54

that. But stick to... Maybe

1:08:56

the sword that that character

1:08:58

is best associated with or

1:09:00

your favorite. Don't submit every

1:09:03

available sword in Final

1:09:05

Fantasy 8, please. Okay. Oh shit,

1:09:07

man, I hadn't even thought about

1:09:09

those swords or also guns. That's

1:09:12

cool of shit. The gun blade?

1:09:14

Yeah, boy. Yeah, man. Gunblades are

1:09:16

divisive, but nonetheless. Is it

1:09:18

divisive because they'll cut your

1:09:20

ass in half because they

1:09:23

kick ass? So here's what

1:09:25

we're going to do tonight.

1:09:27

Before people start submitting things

1:09:29

for this, we're going to

1:09:31

set a baseline. So Chris

1:09:33

and I have each come to this

1:09:35

with a sword that we think is

1:09:38

going to rank highly. And I

1:09:40

think we've each come with a

1:09:42

sword that we think is going

1:09:44

to rank low. A top chopper

1:09:46

and a bottom chopper. a top

1:09:48

chopper and a bottom chopper. Now,

1:09:51

I have some difficulty, until

1:09:53

you mentioned Vibroblades, Chris,

1:09:56

I've had some

1:09:58

difficulty actually. thinking of

1:10:00

a cool sword was easy. So

1:10:02

I know there are some. So

1:10:05

I'm interesting what people are going

1:10:07

to come up with, what they

1:10:09

think of bad swords. I did

1:10:11

manage to come up with one

1:10:13

here, but I had far greater

1:10:15

difficulty doing that than I did

1:10:17

coming up with a good sword.

1:10:20

Oh yeah. Thinking of a cool

1:10:22

sword was easy. Thinking of a

1:10:24

cool sword was, that was breathing

1:10:26

for me. So I breathed to

1:10:28

me. But I did

1:10:30

come up with a bad one

1:10:33

as well. Do you want to

1:10:35

start at the top or start

1:10:37

at the bottom? Maybe let's start

1:10:40

at the bottom. Okay. And work

1:10:42

our way up. Then Matt, I

1:10:45

invite you, because, okay, I have

1:10:47

a spreadsheet, and this is the

1:10:49

information I would like everyone to

1:10:52

include. If you would like to

1:10:54

include an image of the sword,

1:10:56

that would be great, but we

1:10:59

need the name, the source. And

1:11:01

then we will provide a rating

1:11:04

and any additional notes. I did

1:11:06

share this spreadsheet with you, Matt.

1:11:08

Okay, I have it. I do

1:11:11

have it. I have it. Okay.

1:11:13

So what are we looking at?

1:11:15

What is your? You used a

1:11:18

sword font, which I think is

1:11:20

great. All right. So I'm actually

1:11:23

coming in with two bottom choppers.

1:11:25

Really? Okay. Yes, because I did

1:11:27

some research and I was like,

1:11:30

oh, that one's good. And then.

1:11:32

I found another one and I

1:11:34

was like, oh, this one I

1:11:37

personally think sucks. Okay. But I,

1:11:39

I, the first one I have

1:11:42

is specifically aimed at you. Okay.

1:11:44

So my first bottom chopper is

1:11:46

the Z-sword. The Z-sword from Dragon

1:11:49

Ball. Uh, Matt. Uh-huh. Do you

1:11:51

know that I have a replica

1:11:54

of the Z-sword in front of

1:11:56

me on my desk right now,

1:11:58

right? Do you? Because... The Z-sword

1:12:01

broke. Oh, no. The Z-sword. Sorry,

1:12:03

I think it was a crunch

1:12:05

of sword. No, I'm talking about

1:12:08

the sword that Gohan, yes, trains

1:12:10

with, and then tries to use

1:12:13

against Majin Boo, and then immediately

1:12:15

breaks. And immediately breaks, yes. Yeah.

1:12:17

And it's supposed to be a,

1:12:20

like, it's a comedy moment, because

1:12:22

it's supposed to be like a

1:12:24

really cool sword. It's, Gohan spends

1:12:27

a long time training with it.

1:12:30

Now, trunks also uses the

1:12:33

Z-sword at one point. But

1:12:35

I don't know if that's

1:12:37

the same sword. The Z-sword

1:12:39

is not the sword that

1:12:42

he used to cut freeze

1:12:44

of the fucking half. Okay,

1:12:46

that's a different sword. But

1:12:48

in trunks's timeline. For whatever

1:12:51

reason, it didn't get broken.

1:12:53

The Z-sword didn't break immediately,

1:12:55

like it did when Gohan

1:12:57

grabbed it. Okay, yeah. Trunks

1:13:00

has a sword that is

1:13:02

not named. Yeah, there's a

1:13:04

lot of questions about where

1:13:06

Trunks got that sword. But

1:13:09

I think that's the one

1:13:11

he uses to cut Fries

1:13:13

in half. The unnamed sword.

1:13:15

That's the sort of another

1:13:18

replica of on my desk.

1:13:20

Yeah. The sword I'm talking

1:13:22

about is the sword that

1:13:24

Gohan breaks. the minute he

1:13:27

tries to fight Majin Boo

1:13:29

with it. Doesn't, doesn't even

1:13:31

try to fight Majin Boo.

1:13:33

Just, just breaks in the

1:13:36

fucking, realms of, Rome of

1:13:38

the Kais. Yeah, yeah, man.

1:13:40

Yeah, look, that sort kind

1:13:42

of sucks. That, that sword

1:13:45

is for a punchline. And,

1:13:47

like, it's, hey, it's an

1:13:49

intentionally bad sword. But also,

1:13:51

I think we can agree.

1:13:54

that it's a little bit

1:13:56

frustrating that we didn't get

1:13:58

to see. Ohon, he was

1:14:00

a fucking sword. I think

1:14:03

that was Toriyama saying this

1:14:05

ain't a sword comic. You think

1:14:07

he was like, hey, fuck bleach.

1:14:10

I think he was saying, like,

1:14:12

look, I'm sure he gets letters

1:14:14

from fans, or he got

1:14:16

letters from fans a lot. And

1:14:18

they were like, I think he

1:14:21

was saying, like, look, I'm

1:14:23

sure he gets letters from

1:14:25

fans, or he got letters

1:14:27

from fans a lot. And

1:14:29

they were like. Why doesn't

1:14:31

Goku use a weapon? Why

1:14:33

don't any of the heroes

1:14:35

use swords? And this

1:14:37

was his way of saying,

1:14:39

no, this is a comic

1:14:41

where people punch each

1:14:44

other. I honestly do

1:14:46

really quite like the

1:14:48

idea of this ain't a

1:14:50

sword comic. Yeah. Yeah, man,

1:14:52

Kin Shiro didn't use

1:14:54

a fucking sword either.

1:14:56

You know? No. No. Yeah, I mean,

1:14:59

does he sort of look like it

1:15:01

was in Dragon Quest? It's

1:15:03

a cool-looking sword, but it's

1:15:05

a very also, like, it looks

1:15:08

cool in the way the sword looks

1:15:10

cool, you know? It's weirdly out

1:15:12

of place in Dragon Ball. Yeah.

1:15:14

It looks like a sword from

1:15:16

Dragon Quest that then got

1:15:19

put in Dragon Ball. Man,

1:15:21

imagine that a curatoriama

1:15:23

designing a sort that

1:15:25

looked like it was in Dragon

1:15:27

Quest. I know. But like, but

1:15:30

do you know what I'm saying?

1:15:32

Like, I didn't mean for

1:15:35

that to be a pun. But

1:15:37

like, you know what I

1:15:39

mean? Like, Dragon Ball,

1:15:41

despite it kind of

1:15:44

taking place in a

1:15:46

sort of nondescript

1:15:48

part of Earth, is

1:15:51

a very Japanese show,

1:15:53

very Japanese manga.

1:15:55

That sword is very

1:15:58

Western. It's

1:16:00

very, it's very, uh, D&D,

1:16:02

like, uh, medieval European fantasy.

1:16:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:16:07

I don't know, man. It

1:16:09

immediately breaks. It immediately breaks.

1:16:11

Is, is that, is that

1:16:14

a one, one out of

1:16:16

ten? I'm asking you, I,

1:16:18

like, I don't know, I,

1:16:21

I... I'm not as familiar

1:16:23

with the story as you

1:16:25

are. I just saw... You

1:16:27

know the whole story of

1:16:30

the Z-sword. It fucking breaks

1:16:32

immediately. Right, yeah, yeah. But

1:16:34

after like a bunch of

1:16:37

build-up and training, yeah. Yeah.

1:16:39

Yeah. I'm gonna say... I

1:16:41

don't wanna... It's certainly... Well,

1:16:43

it is kind of the

1:16:46

worst sword. I was gonna

1:16:48

say I wanted to have

1:16:50

some room for us to

1:16:52

move down. But I mean...

1:16:56

It's pretty, it breaks in

1:16:58

me, it's a pretty bad

1:17:00

sword, it breaks immediately. I'm

1:17:02

gonna say two out of

1:17:05

ten. All right, I'm willing

1:17:07

to go with two out

1:17:09

of ten. Okay. Should we

1:17:11

do the ratings in Roman

1:17:14

numerals? Yeah. That's the gimmick.

1:17:16

Yeah, got it. Got it.

1:17:18

Got it. And then in

1:17:20

the notes we're just gonna

1:17:23

put, I think we're just

1:17:25

gonna put breaks immediately. Yeah.

1:17:27

Let's see, this is Matt's

1:17:29

first bottom chopper pick. Oh,

1:17:32

I should also put what

1:17:34

episode this is. I have

1:17:36

no idea. I've, like... No,

1:17:38

I mean, episode of our

1:17:41

show. Oh, yes. In case

1:17:43

you will want to hear

1:17:45

the discussion. Apparently, it's... It

1:17:47

debuted in the anime in

1:17:50

this episode, Learn Defuse. Yeah,

1:17:53

man that sort sucks so

1:17:55

bad that they had to

1:17:57

learn how to do fusion.

1:17:59

Uh-huh. So yeah. The Z-Sore

1:18:02

gets a gets a solid

1:18:04

I-I out of X on

1:18:06

that. Okay. Do you want

1:18:08

to give me your next

1:18:11

bottom chopper or do you

1:18:13

want me to do mine?

1:18:15

Well, okay, you give yours

1:18:17

and then I'll give my

1:18:19

other one before we move

1:18:22

on to top choppers. Okay.

1:18:24

My bottom chopper is one

1:18:26

that I think is a...

1:18:29

prime example of a bad

1:18:31

sword. Okay. The batleth. That's

1:18:34

fascinating. I mean, what do

1:18:36

you think, what do you

1:18:39

think is especially bad about

1:18:41

it? The design, just the

1:18:44

design in general? A design.

1:18:46

It's, it's like, it is,

1:18:49

it is impossible to use

1:18:51

in any, like... You always

1:18:53

see him fighting by like

1:18:56

holding if you don't know

1:18:58

what the battle is it's

1:19:01

the cling-on sword introduced in

1:19:03

Star Trek the next generation

1:19:06

Worf is apparently very good

1:19:08

at using it but it

1:19:11

is it is curved and

1:19:13

has just points everywhere on

1:19:16

one side yeah and then

1:19:18

the other side has three

1:19:20

places to grip right including

1:19:23

the center which is nothing

1:19:25

like The only

1:19:28

way to effectively use a

1:19:30

bathe, and you do see

1:19:32

this in Star Trek, is

1:19:35

to just hold it by

1:19:37

one of the grips and

1:19:40

like swing it like an

1:19:42

axe. Yeah, it's, I mean,

1:19:44

I guess by all technical

1:19:47

definitions, it is a sword

1:19:49

despite it not being shaped

1:19:51

like a sword. It is,

1:19:54

it's certainly spiritually a sword.

1:19:56

It's spiritually a sword, yeah.

1:19:59

What the betlass... of is

1:20:01

something the prop

1:20:03

department made and

1:20:06

then the actors had

1:20:08

to figure out how

1:20:10

to make it work. Yeah,

1:20:12

no, it aesthetically,

1:20:15

it looks like some

1:20:17

weird cling-on

1:20:19

shit. It doesn't look

1:20:21

like a earth sword.

1:20:24

It doesn't look like

1:20:26

an earth sword. Yeah.

1:20:28

it's impossible to use.

1:20:30

Michael Thorne, to his

1:20:33

credit, figured out a

1:20:35

way to kind of like hold

1:20:37

it and move around with it

1:20:40

in a way that looked

1:20:42

natural. Yeah. But it does

1:20:44

not seem like it would

1:20:47

be terribly effective in

1:20:49

battle, no. Yeah. Whereas they

1:20:51

also have the mekleth,

1:20:54

which is just like a shotte.

1:20:56

Right, yeah. I would much

1:20:59

rather go into battle

1:21:01

with one of those

1:21:03

than with a batliff.

1:21:06

Yeah. Yeah. It's a

1:21:08

batliff seems like you

1:21:11

cannot use it. It

1:21:13

seems like you cannot

1:21:15

use it. Yeah. Yeah. Like

1:21:17

that's like that's my

1:21:20

whole thing is like. Again,

1:21:22

Michael Dorn actually does do

1:21:25

a pretty good job, like

1:21:27

when we see him, particularly

1:21:29

in Deep Space Nine, like using

1:21:32

this thing. But like, it's, like,

1:21:34

first of all, it's flat. It's

1:21:36

like a sheet of metal. So trying

1:21:39

to use it by holding it

1:21:41

with two hands is just like,

1:21:43

it's floppy, like, there's no,

1:21:45

it's bad, it's a bad

1:21:47

sword. It's, it's also convex

1:21:50

instead of concave. Or no,

1:21:52

other way around. It's concave instead of

1:21:54

convex. Yeah. So like, even if you

1:21:56

were to hold it with one hand and

1:21:58

then just kind of swam- it around,

1:22:01

the blade is going

1:22:03

in instead of curving

1:22:05

out like you would

1:22:07

want a sword to

1:22:10

do. Yeah, like it's,

1:22:12

you, it is difficult

1:22:14

to swing without injuring

1:22:17

yourself. Yeah. I still

1:22:19

think it's better than,

1:22:21

okay, so we gave,

1:22:23

we gave the Z-sword

1:22:26

of two. I

1:22:29

would probably give the batliff

1:22:31

a three just for looking

1:22:34

cool. Yeah, is it worse

1:22:36

to be a sword that

1:22:38

you can't use because it

1:22:41

breaks immediately? Or a sword

1:22:43

that you can't use because

1:22:46

it is even without being

1:22:48

broken, it is impossible to

1:22:50

use. It's poorly designed, yeah.

1:22:53

Yeah. Like usability, I think

1:22:55

it's a wash. Usability, I

1:22:57

think it's a wash. I

1:23:00

do think a batliff at

1:23:02

least looks cool. It does

1:23:05

the aesthetics of it. It's

1:23:07

not generic. You know? Yeah.

1:23:09

So you're gonna say, I

1:23:12

agree with three. Three. We're

1:23:14

gonna give that a three.

1:23:16

All right. Here's my other

1:23:19

bottom shooter. And, er, sorry,

1:23:21

bottom chopper. No shooting here.

1:23:24

We ain't shooting here. Chopping

1:23:26

only. To me, this is

1:23:28

a this is a matched

1:23:31

set of swords. Okay. And

1:23:33

to me, these are the

1:23:35

very definition of trying too

1:23:38

hard. Trying way too hard

1:23:40

to be cool swords. These

1:23:43

are deathstrokes godkillers. All right.

1:23:45

Created by Tony Daniel. And

1:23:47

first appeared in death stroke

1:23:50

volume 3 number 7 from

1:23:52

August 2015. They

1:23:55

are sorts supposedly

1:23:58

forged by the

1:24:00

Greek. God Hephaistus,

1:24:02

and there's semi-sentient

1:24:04

blades, and they're

1:24:07

kind of like

1:24:09

bronze in color,

1:24:11

and they're all

1:24:13

jagged and weirdly

1:24:16

shaped, and it's

1:24:18

just like, doing

1:24:20

way too much

1:24:22

to try to

1:24:25

be a cool

1:24:27

sword. I

1:24:30

mean, I have not read

1:24:32

this story. I think they

1:24:35

do look kind of cool.

1:24:37

There's a lot of design

1:24:40

to them. Yeah. They're like,

1:24:42

they're busy. They're busy. I

1:24:45

don't know. To me, they

1:24:47

reek of trying too hard.

1:24:49

But I can understand why

1:24:52

one might disagree. I've seen.

1:24:54

I've seen more tri-hard swords

1:24:57

than those. Sure. I have

1:24:59

seen swords that have tried

1:25:02

harder. But I've, like, I

1:25:04

don't know man, I don't

1:25:07

know, like, like, Destrok already

1:25:09

has swords. So giving him

1:25:12

like some magic swords is

1:25:14

like, I mean, that's an

1:25:17

acceptable story, I think. I'm

1:25:19

not saying, I'm not, I'm

1:25:22

not saying anything about the

1:25:24

story. Yeah, I'm reasoning my

1:25:26

way through the sword. Yeah.

1:25:29

It's, it's weird to me.

1:25:31

Isn't Wonder Woman's sword also

1:25:34

called The God Killer? Don't

1:25:36

know. Okay. All right. Yeah,

1:25:39

like, I don't love him,

1:25:41

but I don't hate him.

1:25:44

There is a wonder if

1:25:46

it does. have a sword

1:25:49

called the God-Killer. Yes, she

1:25:51

does. And so this is

1:25:54

like, I have two God-killers.

1:25:56

Well, it seems like maybe

1:25:59

just one of these is

1:26:01

the God-Killer, the one in

1:26:03

the foreground of this cover

1:26:06

that I sent you. I

1:26:08

thought it was both swords,

1:26:11

but I guess it's just

1:26:13

the one sword. And the

1:26:16

other sword is just kind

1:26:18

of like another sword that

1:26:21

he has that is also

1:26:23

very designed. But the one...

1:26:26

in the front that is

1:26:28

more designed and has that

1:26:31

bit of blade that comes

1:26:33

down as like a like

1:26:35

a handguard that's the godkiller

1:26:38

like a like a neckliff

1:26:40

yeah yeah so apologies for

1:26:43

saying it was a set

1:26:45

of match swords apparently it's

1:26:48

just the one sort but

1:26:50

this isn't Wonder Woman sword

1:26:53

it is not Wonder Woman

1:26:55

sword it is not Wonder

1:26:58

Woman sword There's a different

1:27:00

sort also called the God-Killer.

1:27:03

That's pretty whack, honestly. Yeah.

1:27:05

I would like, Matt, while

1:27:08

I'm pondering this, could you

1:27:10

real quick describe the image

1:27:12

I have put in the

1:27:15

spreadsheet of the batliff? Sure.

1:27:17

The... It's a guy who's

1:27:20

not a cling-on, who has

1:27:22

wrapped his arm... around

1:27:25

the batliff, like underneath

1:27:27

it, so that he

1:27:30

can hold one of

1:27:32

the grips on the

1:27:34

end. It's a very

1:27:37

awkward-looking pose. He's kind

1:27:39

of like cradling it.

1:27:41

Yeah, he is kind

1:27:44

of doing that. My

1:27:46

favorite thing about it

1:27:48

is this, um... It's

1:27:51

tough to pull off

1:27:53

a batliff and jeans.

1:27:56

It's a little bit

1:27:58

in Congress. Yeah. Man,

1:28:00

I don't know. I don't... I

1:28:02

don't... I don't hate it. The

1:28:05

God killer, you mean? Apparently,

1:28:08

crackles with Eldridge

1:28:10

Energy, which is pretty

1:28:12

cool. Yeah. And can

1:28:14

shape shift. Some forms

1:28:16

it can take on its own

1:28:19

are a bowstaff, twin blades,

1:28:21

and a cat of nine

1:28:23

tails. So it can be

1:28:25

two, it's a sword that

1:28:27

can be two swords. It's

1:28:30

trying so hard to be

1:28:33

cool. It's a sword that

1:28:35

wants you to like it

1:28:37

so bad. I mean, I feel

1:28:39

like now we're really getting

1:28:42

into a potential

1:28:44

problem with this, which

1:28:46

is that Matt, I like

1:28:49

swords. I like swords as

1:28:51

well. The work is done,

1:28:53

bud. I'm just saying

1:28:55

there's a level of,

1:28:57

look, I like music. But

1:29:01

I can tell when music

1:29:03

wants me to like it

1:29:05

too much. What was it? We're

1:29:07

talking about Vanessa

1:29:09

Carlson's One Thousand

1:29:12

Miles and you were like,

1:29:14

that song sounds like a

1:29:16

senior thesis. Did I say

1:29:18

that? I think so. It was when

1:29:20

we were in a, we were at

1:29:22

that wizard world with

1:29:25

hot penguin. Damn, I

1:29:27

don't remember saying that.

1:29:30

I don't disagree with myself

1:29:32

though. It was brutal.

1:29:35

It was like on the

1:29:37

radio and I was like, hey,

1:29:39

I kind of like I dig

1:29:41

this this track. It's not a

1:29:44

bad song, but it is absolutely

1:29:47

like a song that a

1:29:49

music major wrote to

1:29:51

impress a music professor

1:29:54

for sure, yeah. Where are

1:29:56

you thinking? I will follow

1:29:58

your lead. I

1:30:00

mean, I think maybe we

1:30:03

should split the difference. Because

1:30:05

I was thinking this is

1:30:07

like real low. But if

1:30:09

you kind of like it,

1:30:11

I'm willing to give it

1:30:13

like a four or a

1:30:16

five. I mean, I don't

1:30:18

feel like it's right for

1:30:20

death stroke the terminator. I

1:30:22

think that's part of it

1:30:24

too. Yeah. It's like. Oh,

1:30:26

what can we do for

1:30:29

death stroke? Let's give him

1:30:31

a cool sword, a cool

1:30:33

magic sword. And then this

1:30:35

is what he gets when

1:30:37

like, Katanas were fine. Like,

1:30:39

yeah. He looks right with

1:30:42

Katanas. He does not look

1:30:44

right with this thing. I'm

1:30:46

reading its capabilities. And it

1:30:48

does, it does have the

1:30:50

ring of special wizard armor,

1:30:52

you know. It does have

1:30:55

the ring of like you're

1:30:57

playing a game with a

1:30:59

child. Yeah, actually my sword

1:31:01

can be two swords and

1:31:03

also it can absorb and

1:31:05

redirect whatever force is unleashed

1:31:07

But double it Yeah, and

1:31:10

also it can repair itself

1:31:12

if it's broken and also

1:31:14

It can transfer God memories

1:31:16

to the wielder and Also

1:31:18

like there's there's it's you

1:31:20

know, it's a lot. It's

1:31:23

a lot. It's trying so

1:31:25

hard Swords are very simple

1:31:27

that at the end of

1:31:29

the day a sword is

1:31:31

just a butcher knife, you

1:31:33

know, exactly exactly like Why

1:31:36

is a sword that can

1:31:38

do a million things? and

1:31:40

be all powerful? That's in

1:31:42

a storytelling sense. That is

1:31:44

not better than something that

1:31:46

just chops good Yeah, you

1:31:49

know what I'm saying? Is

1:31:52

it so if look if

1:31:54

I'm if I'm going from

1:31:56

the gut? This sucker is

1:31:58

a too. It can be

1:32:01

a two. If you kind

1:32:03

of like it, I could

1:32:05

make it a three or

1:32:07

four. It can be a

1:32:10

two. Okay. Okay. So death

1:32:12

strokes God killer from 2015.

1:32:14

Two out of ten. Yeah.

1:32:16

I don't think it's a

1:32:19

one. Surely there's words out

1:32:21

there. We're still on the

1:32:23

hunt for our one. Nothing

1:32:26

has achieved a one. Yeah.

1:32:28

All right, so we're going

1:32:30

to, we're moving on to

1:32:32

top shoppers. Yeah, and I

1:32:35

would like you to go

1:32:37

first, because I have a

1:32:39

stone cold, fucking number one

1:32:41

with a bullet. Okay. I

1:32:44

feel like our top shoppers

1:32:46

are, you could guess them.

1:32:48

I feel like anyone could

1:32:50

guess mine, you're wrong. Oh,

1:32:53

okay. Well, I. Mine is

1:32:55

one you could easily guess

1:32:57

to be the one I

1:32:59

chose. Uh-huh. Because mine's a

1:33:02

fucking dragon Slayer from Bresert.

1:33:04

Okay, Matt, here's the problem.

1:33:06

Dragon Slayer. Yeah. Look, I

1:33:08

like it. I have a

1:33:11

replica of it sitting next

1:33:13

to me. You know I

1:33:15

like it. Yeah. But is

1:33:18

it even really a sword?

1:33:20

Or more a slab of

1:33:22

iron. It's more a slab

1:33:24

of raw iron. But... I

1:33:28

almost never have my

1:33:30

character use broadswords. I

1:33:32

get to choose what

1:33:34

kind of weapon my

1:33:36

character uses. I almost

1:33:39

never have my character

1:33:41

use broadswords. They're just

1:33:43

slow. big and bulky.

1:33:45

And I tend to

1:33:47

prefer to play as

1:33:50

a character who utilizes

1:33:52

their speed in combat.

1:33:54

I also like a

1:33:56

faster character generally speaking.

1:33:58

Like if I'm if

1:34:01

I'm if I'm driven

1:34:03

to choose I will

1:34:05

always go for the

1:34:07

character who is less

1:34:09

likely to use a

1:34:12

broadsword and more likely

1:34:14

to use like. Like

1:34:16

a Katana or a

1:34:18

rapier or some kind

1:34:20

of smaller faster weapon,

1:34:23

but the Dragon Slayer

1:34:25

is so good that

1:34:27

I'll be like I

1:34:29

now if I'm playing

1:34:31

fucking Eldon Ring or

1:34:34

Dark Souls or whatever

1:34:36

I'll be like Give

1:34:38

me that sword that

1:34:40

I know you designed

1:34:42

to look like the

1:34:45

Dragon Slayer Because Hittatakamiizaki

1:34:47

is a berserk freak

1:34:49

like me We've talked

1:34:51

about it. We've talked

1:34:53

about that moment Where

1:34:56

guts that seem where

1:34:58

he sees it for

1:35:00

the first time so

1:35:02

fucking funny Unbelievable That

1:35:04

monster is attacking Godo

1:35:07

the blacksmith's house and

1:35:09

his the sword he's

1:35:11

been using breaks and

1:35:13

he doesn't know what

1:35:15

to do and he

1:35:18

just looks over and

1:35:20

there's a dragon slayer.

1:35:22

I just like how

1:35:24

go to the blacksmith

1:35:26

made it as a

1:35:29

joke like as a

1:35:31

bit and then here

1:35:33

comes fucking guts. Yeah.

1:35:35

My problem was like

1:35:37

was my swords weren't

1:35:40

big enough. The the

1:35:42

one major downside of

1:35:44

the dragon slayer for

1:35:46

sure is that There

1:35:48

might be one guy

1:35:51

who can use it.

1:35:53

It does seem like

1:35:55

it would weigh like

1:35:57

400 pounds. Like outside

1:35:59

of guts, I don't

1:36:02

know how many people

1:36:04

could even pick it

1:36:06

up. Yeah, you got

1:36:08

like, look, I brought

1:36:10

up that it's barely

1:36:13

even a sword, more

1:36:15

a slap of raw

1:36:17

iron. Yeah. Because I

1:36:19

wanted to talk myself

1:36:21

out. Like I wanted

1:36:24

to give us at

1:36:26

least some kind of

1:36:28

credibility in writing this

1:36:30

But I mean it

1:36:32

It rules it's fucking

1:36:35

huge It is exactly

1:36:37

like this it's the

1:36:39

opposite like this makes

1:36:41

so much sense that

1:36:43

you picked the fucking

1:36:46

Destrok swords because the

1:36:48

Destrok swords do so

1:36:50

much and have like

1:36:52

a million superpowers It's

1:36:54

big. Guts, swings it,

1:36:57

and people get cut

1:36:59

in half. Yeah. That's