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1:28

What is up people of the internet welcome

1:30

back to another episode of the waveform podcast

1:33

we're hosts I'm Marquez Andrew and I'm David

1:35

this week We have some real announcements that

1:37

happened before we recorded which is very exciting

1:39

think matter of fact We just jumped in

1:42

here directly after watching What is it like

1:44

a 12 minute video that Apple put out

1:46

with the iPhone 16e so that came out?

1:49

We also have a new Rivian

1:51

announcement hint someone was right last

1:53

week And we also have

1:55

a couple other small things like humane was sold red

1:57

is charging from first some stuff and a first

2:00

look at the nothing 3a But

2:02

first Andrew has written that

2:04

Google tasks now has a web

2:06

app What might be the shortest

2:09

story in the history of waveform

2:11

ever? You can now go

2:13

to a dedicated web page with your Google tasks.

2:16

Are we sure this is new? Yeah,

2:18

cuz I feel like I've been doing this

2:20

for so what you can do is you

2:22

can Like previously, it would be on the

2:24

sidebar of your Gmail. Yeah. In the

2:26

exact, it would look exactly like that, but now it can just

2:28

be in its own dedicated web page. I

2:30

could have been using this web page for the

2:32

last like month and a half. No,

2:35

that just means someone at Google remember

2:37

that it exists. And that's very encouraging.

2:40

Like Google tasks is, it's on the radar. So

2:42

there's two things I was excited for it was

2:44

I can. float my own

2:47

window on the side of my desktop,

2:49

which has just my tasks and like

2:51

vertical, which is nice. And the second

2:53

thing, which is like, wait, they remembered

2:55

this is one step to maybe new

2:57

features, if anything, not a step backwards

2:59

to oblivion. Yeah. Maybe they'll add some

3:01

stuff. Yeah. That's it. I tried to

3:03

check the way back machine, but it's

3:05

not, it's down. So I have no

3:07

way to know whether or not maybe

3:09

I had early access to this. I

3:11

guess we'll never know. This

3:14

week also HP. Spent

3:16

one hundred and sixteen million dollars, which

3:18

actually was the most shocking part to

3:20

me I didn't know HP was out

3:22

here spending money like that and they

3:24

used it to buy humane Humane finally

3:27

got their wish and was acquired maybe

3:29

not the way they originally drew it

3:31

up, but it happened They shut down

3:33

the pin is going offline the servers

3:35

will go down. They're shutting down the

3:37

team that developed it It's not gonna

3:39

be a thing anymore RIP humane pin,

3:41

but yeah HP is acquiring The

3:45

talent and the engineers and

3:47

the team. The technology behind.

3:50

Yeah. Yeah. There was like

3:52

300 patents from the company

3:54

and like Cosmos. Cosmos.

3:56

Moes. Moes. Great name. It's

3:59

actually a pretty solid name. No,

4:01

it's Cosmoes. Cosmoes.

4:04

Yeah, it's like, okay, this

4:06

depends on the stop working. So everyone who said

4:08

it was bad is justified in saying it was

4:10

bad because it doesn't exist anymore. But it's also

4:13

like. What

4:15

is HP see in that? I don't

4:17

well. I don't know apparently Emron and

4:19

Bethany are going to work at HP

4:21

to upgrade their AI systems and their

4:24

conference room software This comes back to

4:26

HP. What what does HP do? I

4:28

kind of my the first thing I

4:30

ever reviewed was an HP product So

4:33

I'm not like a HP hater. I

4:35

kind of like no we were just

4:37

looking back on HP market cap and

4:40

Right after you made that video they

4:42

skyrocketed. It's yeah, I believe that 2009

4:44

was probably peak of HP's powers I

4:46

bought an HP Pavilion DV 7t. It

4:49

was very competitive It's the one I

4:51

picked over all my other options and

4:53

that was not a cheap laptop They

4:55

had a thing back in the day.

4:58

Yeah, but today They're launching a zoom

5:00

competitor HP no, I have no idea

5:02

Did I tell you guys when I

5:04

thought that I may have uncovered a

5:07

money laundering scheme at Intel yeah But

5:09

retell the story, because that was a

5:11

while ago. Okay. Allegedly. Okay. This

5:14

is probably not what is happening. However.

5:19

However. Okay. When I worked at

5:21

Intel, I wrote software. that

5:23

would check, uh, basically there

5:25

was these giant sleds of computers, right?

5:27

Because they use the zions, which have

5:30

two zions per sled. There's tons of

5:32

sleds in a rack. Intel buys those

5:34

racks from HP, Compaq, Lenovo,

5:37

Dell, right? All these companies where I'm

5:39

like, They technically sell laptops, but there's

5:41

no way that's how they make most

5:43

of their money, right? So

5:45

Intel would buy these giant racks for

5:48

like a ton of money with like

5:50

15 year warranties. Because they're running these

5:52

computers at such like high wattage and

5:55

so much power that like parts break

5:57

a lot, right? So the

5:59

money laundering scheme that I thought I uncovered. This

6:03

is probably not happening. Is

6:06

that the software, when I wrote the

6:08

software, it would basically every morning check

6:10

every single part in every single sled.

6:12

So check the RAM, the

6:15

CPU, like everything

6:17

on the computer. The

6:19

things that would break the

6:22

most often were the Intel

6:24

Xeons and the Intel developed

6:26

RAM chips. And the

6:29

reason I thought it was a money laundering

6:31

scheme. was because

6:33

it seemed like Intel was

6:35

putting their B -list Xeons

6:38

in these computers that HP

6:40

was then selling to Intel

6:43

as a rack. And

6:45

then HP under warranty... they would break,

6:48

because my software basically would say like,

6:50

every single day there was Xeons breaking,

6:53

there was Ramsticks breaking, and it

6:55

was always Intel developed parts. So

6:58

it seemed like HP then had

7:00

to go back to Intel and

7:02

buy new parts from Intel to

7:04

put in the thing that they

7:06

sold to Intel. And

7:09

it just sort of felt like they were cycling money

7:11

like this. This feels like

7:13

the McDonald's ice cream machine where it's

7:15

like it's broken and they also kind

7:17

of run the place. Compact.

7:20

What else does Compact do?

7:23

This is the thing. His, well

7:25

now? Well, I mean, at the

7:28

time, still, it was like

7:30

2016. Compact was not any TV commercials

7:32

and sold laptop. Compact

7:34

wasn't around in 2016. Compact got bought

7:36

by HP. 2 ,000

7:38

way each. Yeah, HP compact. I think

7:41

the easy answer here is they all

7:43

do a lot of enterprise stuff. Yeah,

7:45

we just don't quite know. Yeah, okay.

7:48

So what did they do? They were

7:50

selling giant racks of sleds to companies

7:52

like Intel and that is probably how

7:55

they make most of their money. That's

7:57

the answer to your question. You think

7:59

people are buying the pavilion? More

8:02

like pavilion. Okay. Got

8:05

them. Got them. So that's probably

8:07

how they make most of their

8:09

money. Yeah, so yeah, they figured

8:11

they've got 116 million to spend

8:13

on acquiring humane humane gets kind

8:15

of their wish Not exactly the

8:17

way they drew it up, but

8:19

at least it's something Yeah, I

8:21

just canceled my humane subscription today.

8:23

Wait, I was paying every month

8:25

in hopes of seeing it improve

8:27

It didn't It did a little

8:29

but not enough to you know

8:31

make another video or anything I

8:33

canceled it today. Did you really

8:35

just did you actually just forget?

8:37

No, yes Yes, but I was

8:39

given a chance. Okay, we still

8:41

have it. It's yeah, I know

8:43

exactly where it is. Yeah, so

8:45

You know, they raised about 230

8:47

million. They sold it for 160

8:49

million. think it was more. A

8:51

few months ago, they were reportedly

8:53

trying to sell it between like

8:55

700 to 1 billion, I believe.

8:57

So this is quite a bit

8:59

lower. This is actually approximately 1

9:01

7th of Juan Soto's MLB contract

9:03

that they just got sold for.

9:05

And I can't help but think,

9:08

I think we all know Humane is that company that hyped

9:12

themselves without a public -facing product for a

9:14

very long time and it feels kind of

9:16

like they did that for longer than they

9:18

had an actual public -facing product. That's

9:21

probably true. Yeah, because it came

9:23

out a year ago. Less than a year

9:25

ago. And they were hyping it for a

9:27

while. They're in stealth mode. Yeah, they've been

9:29

around since 2018 and I know like every

9:31

startup company has a product they're working on

9:33

before that but like they were out there

9:35

hyping up humane. publicly without

9:38

their public product. For a long time.

9:40

Far longer than we actually had the pin.

9:43

So if you are a humane, a fellow

9:45

humane pin owner, like myself, expect it to

9:47

be a brick by the end of the

9:49

month, it will still be able to tell

9:51

you if it's overheating or what your battery

9:53

percentage is. gonna say, it's not just a

9:55

brick, it could also catch on fire. It

9:57

could tell you if it's about to, and

9:59

it can tell you how much battery life

10:02

is left, because that was the things that

10:04

it was doing offline, and it continued. Yeah,

10:06

you know, it's also kind of crazy. So

10:08

they will give people refunds only if you

10:10

bought it within the last 90 days, which

10:12

is the normal refund period, but they're not

10:14

giving anybody else refunds. And this product only

10:16

existed for like less than a year. Amen.

10:19

That's the risk. It's a seven hundred dollar

10:21

pin. That's the early adopter risk. That's

10:23

a lot of money for something that last two

10:25

main reddit. If only there was like people who

10:27

told you not to buy. We

10:31

did our job and we got yelled at for

10:33

it. They all should have bought a rabbit. What

10:36

were you saying? I

10:38

was just gonna say the subreddit is not happy

10:40

about this obviously. It's one thing

10:43

when they like launched the email saying

10:45

we're winding down and then like at

10:47

the end it's like and everything will

10:50

be offline February 28th, which is like

10:52

a week and a half from right

10:54

now. And then that also means somebody

10:56

asked them and somebody responded, No, there

10:59

are some offline things that can do,

11:01

like, tell you your battery level. Can

11:04

I just say, no, it's literally time.

11:07

How? How? It's gotta, does the

11:09

projector still work? Yeah, it

11:11

should show you your battery level. So maybe

11:13

it's just like a lapel clock. Clock. Yeah,

11:16

alarms. That's kind of dope. You know what

11:18

I want? For free, but I don't know

11:20

if I'd charge that. Remember when the Spotify

11:22

car thing went out and I came on

11:24

this podcast and we spoke about them open

11:26

sourcing it? Yeah. And how? Great of a

11:28

community that has turned into yeah, I hope

11:30

they open source they will probably not they're

11:32

shitting but I was that would be so

11:34

sick Yeah, that's what the reddit the subreddit

11:37

is asking to open source it so people

11:39

can tinker with it I just don't I

11:41

think there's way more complicated parts in this

11:43

I mean we did get to see the

11:45

inside of it and that thing is complicated

11:47

I don't think they can't open source it

11:49

because all the patents got sold to HP

11:51

Yeah, that would probably be my Thought

11:54

on why they they're not gonna let a

11:56

lot happen to one in six years Just

11:58

like pebble pebble go back and ask HP

12:00

to open source all this never hold on

12:02

to it Yeah, I guess cuz you never

12:04

know hold on to your brick that might

12:06

catch on fire I have a hot take

12:08

what we're gonna turn we're gonna think back

12:10

on this the way that people think about

12:12

Google Glass No, no, we're

12:15

not that's why I said it was

12:17

hot Eventually this is the future right

12:19

do you mean form factor wise? No,

12:21

I mean just an AI assistant thing

12:23

that you wear They're not there if

12:25

you want to go super broad and

12:27

say a standalone AI device was ahead

12:29

of its time Sure, that is where

12:32

I'm going, but that's about as generous

12:34

as you can be I think I

12:36

think we'll all look back at the

12:38

humane pin as being like, oh, that

12:40

wasn't ready. Why did they ship that?

12:42

Yeah, was bad. Just like we looked

12:44

at it while it was out And

12:46

then Google Glass had some real pine

12:48

some some Google Glass was fire as

12:51

heck It could come out today and

12:53

be looked at kind of same as

12:55

I would still like Google Glass currently

12:57

because a glass hole. I was Speaking

12:59

of glass. Do you know

13:01

what sand is made of? Well, Glass is made

13:03

of sand. I

13:07

got it backwards. I

13:10

almost nailed that.

13:13

Sand is actually the remnants of ancient

13:16

window factories that they used to only

13:18

put on the beach. For dinosaurs. Yeah,

13:21

for dinosaurs. When you made a window, you needed to

13:23

test it. So like, okay, we should look at the

13:25

beach because it's really pretty. Yeah. Well,

13:28

speaking of sand, since we're on the topic, Rivian

13:30

made an announcement this week. You remember last week

13:33

on the podcast, we saw a bunch of pictures

13:35

of sand dunes from Rivian and they were teasing

13:37

something to be announced on the 19th or recording

13:39

this on the 19th and we know what it

13:41

was. Let's just revisit

13:44

what we thought might be coming.

13:46

They're probably going to announce the sand

13:48

colored Rivian. A khaki Rivian would be

13:50

pretty sweet. I'd be into that. I

13:52

want it to be R2D. I

13:55

want it to be the Maverick Rivian. We

13:58

should place bets, but there's just no

14:00

way. Sand color. I'm going with either

14:02

special event or sand mode. So you're

14:04

saying sand mode. David, you're saying sand

14:06

color. Yeah. Andrew, what are you saying?

14:11

Rivian. What is it called?

14:13

Rivian Adventure Network. Yeah, so.

14:16

It feels good. David was right. It

14:18

is a, it's close. You're close. You're the closest.

14:21

It's a new trim package for the

14:23

Rivian R1T and R1S, and it's a

14:25

limited edition trim, but it's called the

14:27

California Dune Edition. It is in

14:30

fact sand colored. So you get

14:32

the paint very much. You'll get the point for

14:34

that. There's a couple other

14:36

things as well from what I can see

14:38

from these pictures. There are new 20 inch

14:40

all -terrain wheels. It'll come with a spare

14:43

tire, a reinforced underbody shield, a

14:45

couple other sand colored things. Available accessories, one of

14:47

them is... tracks recovery boards, which are those like

14:49

boards where you're stuck in deep snow or sand.

14:52

Some of these you can already get. It'll just

14:54

come with these accessories like the dark. I've thought

14:56

about getting the dark crossbars for forever because mine

14:58

came with like crossbars and I was like, oh,

15:01

I want the black ones, but I haven't bought

15:03

them. Come with them. I just saw it just

15:05

a new range of accessories. So I wasn't a

15:07

hundred percent sure if that. Oh, well, the team

15:09

with it or just like. That's

15:12

a good question, but I would believe

15:14

it comes with these because they've existed

15:16

already the revised powered tonneau cover They've

15:18

had to re sort of engineer that

15:21

over time and I also have had

15:23

mine replaced so all these things will

15:25

be included I believe and then There's

15:28

no release date yet, but it seems

15:30

like we'll get to see one at

15:32

South by Southwest in March. Is anybody

15:34

gonna go to that? I don't know

15:37

I heard that Waveform might

15:39

be doing a live episode there, though. Oh, I saw

15:41

that too. Oh, I would go to that.

15:43

Oh, do you want to go? We

15:45

could just all go together. Do you want to go? Is

15:47

this the invite right now? Yeah. I thought I'd get it

15:49

on Partyful, but no. We used

15:52

Apple Invite. Oh, that's why.

15:55

OK, Ben. So how about how about we all

15:57

go to South by Southwest? We'll do a live

15:59

Waveform show while we're there. Sounds good. And we'll

16:01

go check out the sand colored Rivian. I'm just

16:04

going to throw it. Let's try Saturday 11 AM.

16:06

March 8th, 10 a .m. Does that work for

16:08

you? I thought it was 10 a .m. I'm

16:10

down, but only if it's at the Vox Media

16:12

showcase. Oh, I could

16:14

do that. Game. Yeah,

16:16

I think we can find a way to get there. All

16:19

right, sweet. Should we invite anyone else or no? How

16:21

about the audience? Yeah, no, they should come.

16:24

True. They should come. OK, yeah. So y 'all,

16:26

so if you're watching this, you're invited to. Yeah,

16:30

see you there. Bingo.

16:32

Sick. That was natural

16:35

transition you've ever use your AI assistant

16:37

to distill what we just said Guys,

16:39

please come. Yeah, we are gonna. It's

16:42

our first live waveform event. Yeah, it's

16:44

gonna be on the Vox stage It's

16:46

gonna be I think the first we're

16:49

the first program on the stage. It's

16:51

Saturday, March 8th at 11 a .m.

16:53

We will be there We

16:55

will be recording it and releasing it as

16:58

a bonus pod episode. It won't be broadcast

17:00

live, but it will be live there. And

17:02

we're still trying to figure some ways out

17:04

to involve the audience as much as possible

17:06

because we've never had that chance. Maybe comment

17:08

section. Yes, please. us know if you have

17:11

cool ideas for what we should do at

17:13

South by Southwest as we record live with

17:15

an audience next to us who couldn't interact

17:17

with the podcast. I have a

17:19

question for you guys. You know in school when there

17:21

was like a group project and the teacher would be

17:23

like, okay, who wants to go first? Did

17:26

you guys always volunteer to go first or

17:28

where you're hoping to go last? I always

17:30

went first. I always went first too. I

17:32

was always hoping to go last. You're hoping

17:34

to go last? Yeah. Interesting. Ellis is the

17:36

tiebreaker. Ellis. Wait, the question is... Everyone in

17:38

the class has a little poster board. We're

17:40

all gonna do a presentation. Who

17:42

wants to go first? You. How

17:44

good is my presentation? good

17:47

at all. Very mid. First.

17:49

Yeah. Can I ask why? Actually,

17:52

first you've ever get forgotten about by the time the worst

17:54

ones come along. OK. Also, you get

17:56

to set the tone. Yeah. Exactly. If it's

17:59

bad, there's not a good one before you

18:01

to make you look bad. Exactly. But

18:03

it's possible that you do the bad first

18:05

one, and then the second one is way

18:08

better. Yeah, but everyone will forget. Exactly. OK.

18:10

Don't remember the new one, though, forget the bad

18:12

one. My theory was always, It's

18:14

a presentation, so it'll probably take longer than

18:17

that period. So if I pray for last,

18:19

I might be able to fix all the

18:21

things I didn't actually do and then go

18:23

the next day. That did happen before to

18:25

me. I've done that. Yeah. Yeah. Good

18:28

call. Yeah. Also, just getting it over with is

18:30

nice. We are going first at South By, so.

18:32

Okay. So, yeah, we'll have to bring the heat.

18:34

Set the tone. We're setting the tone. Make it

18:36

off the tone. And you guys should bring the

18:38

heat, too. It'll be fun. And if you're sitting

18:40

in the first three rows, you will

18:42

get one. Yeah,

18:47

it's like SeaWorld. We're setting the bar

18:49

as high as we can. As high

18:52

as we can. Expect fireworks. Shamu

18:54

will be there. Can I just say this Rivian

18:56

looks sick. Wait, yeah, I did want to go

18:58

back to it. It looks sick. Really? We

19:01

didn't say how good the color was.

19:03

This is like my favorite trend in

19:05

vehicle colors they've been doing lately. sand

19:08

in general. Like khaki -ish

19:10

kind of the, I don't want to

19:12

it dull because it's very clearly still

19:14

shiny. like right up Rivian's alley like

19:16

with the other colors they've done. Cross, the

19:18

super cross check was doing it for a

19:21

little bit and with the like black wheel

19:23

wells, the accents on it. So I think

19:25

this looks really good. I hope they do

19:27

this color on the R2. Yeah.

19:31

So I guess this is limited. I

19:33

don't know how limited yet, but. I

19:35

think that would be cool as well. And then

19:38

R3X. Everyone loves the R3, but it's so far

19:40

away. We're just like waiting. I want it so

19:42

bad. I love R3. That's what I'm waiting for.

19:44

I think we universally all really like the R3.

19:46

We're just waiting. The R3 is one of those

19:48

cars that like you aspire to drive. And I

19:50

feel like the R1 and the R2 are the

19:52

cars that you actually end up driving. Yeah.

19:55

Well, so allegedly R3 is going

19:57

to be cheaper though. Yeah. So

19:59

it should have reasonable accessibility. I

20:02

remember when they announced it, it was like

20:04

the R1 and R1S were out, and they

20:06

announced the R2, and everyone goes, oh yes,

20:08

this is nice, this is nice, it's smaller,

20:10

this is more attainable. And then they go,

20:12

by the way, one more thing, R3, and

20:14

everyone went, forget the R2, this is sick,

20:16

I want that. So yeah, it'll be someday.

20:18

And it looks more like a Subaru. Did

20:20

you say this is my Roadster, is that

20:22

what you said earlier? Yeah, this is the

20:24

R3X is my Roadster. R3X is our Roadster.

20:26

But that means it'll never come out. Yeah.

20:29

It's not out yet. It's years away. Years

20:31

away. Well speaking of things

20:33

that are coming out we should talk about

20:36

the iphone sc But before we get to

20:38

that we should take a quick break, which

20:40

means we got time for a trivia question

20:42

did Also, the roadster is light years away

20:44

now because it got shot into space Well,

20:46

that's the first -gen roadster, but then the

20:48

new roadster got announced and that was what

20:50

year you think that was? Yeah

20:58

It was like right when I started

21:00

I still remember that they really graduated

21:02

from college Came out I got announced

21:04

right 2017. I think it's 2017 doesn't

21:06

I slept are you like three of

21:09

those things right now? I people that's

21:11

a common misconception. They only only one

21:13

and a half Allegedly allegedly That text

21:15

message when you decided not to go

21:17

to the semi event and then I

21:19

was at home And I just like

21:22

got this message of Marcus being like

21:24

Turn the event on and I was

21:26

like why and then there's roadster just

21:28

on the stage What are you it

21:30

all worked out because you went to

21:32

the iRobot event the one that is

21:34

everything is for sure coming out. Yeah.

21:37

Yeah. Anyway trivia guys I the cybertaxi

21:39

is sand colored. I just realized. Well,

21:41

it's yellow. I know. It's

21:43

mountain dew. It's gold. It's gold colored. All

21:45

right. Mountain dew. Mountain dew. It's not green.

21:48

What? Mountain dew is

21:51

green. Mountain dew. Trivia,

21:54

dude. All right,

21:57

it took every fiber of my

21:59

being to not ask you guys

22:01

a dune question today because I

22:03

knew it. No one would get

22:05

it right. So

22:07

let's have a truck question. Oh,

22:10

no. Big truck day. So.

22:12

talked about the Rivian. One of the things

22:14

that I saw mentioned in this Rivian

22:16

press release is they're redoing the way the

22:19

electric tonneau cover works. So

22:21

I figured I'd make you guys search

22:23

the inside of your brains for the

22:25

origin of the word tonneau. It's an

22:28

English word technically, but we're borrowing it

22:30

from French. And we're borrowing

22:32

it for the French word for what? And

22:34

I have four choices. The first one is

22:36

barrel. The second one

22:38

is tunnel. C

22:41

is mattress, and I don't know

22:43

why I switched from numbers to

22:45

letters there, but we're just rolling

22:47

with it. Barrel tunnel mattress or

22:49

tonne, like the unit of measurement.

22:52

Tonneau. I hate that one feels

22:54

very obvious. Which one? Yeah.

22:57

To me, they all feel kind of obvious. Don't say

22:59

it. Mattress? Yeah, because it's a truck

23:01

bed. Well,

23:05

we'll think about it. We

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most innovative and Unique and exciting. I

27:12

can't even do this. There's a new

27:14

iPhone It's the 16e so it's actually

27:16

not the se anymore. Yeah big change

27:19

16e I think that makes sense didn't

27:21

se stand for special edition at one

27:23

point Yeah, but then it was just

27:25

a budget iPhone. So now it's just

27:28

the 16e cool This completes the iPhone

27:30

16 family as Tim Cook put it

27:32

it is about

27:34

what we expected. I mean, we saw some of

27:37

the leaks and now we have the official specs

27:39

and everything that's new. Here is

27:41

a quick overview before I get reactions from

27:43

everyone. It is, in fact, the newest chip,

27:45

the A18. It does have

27:47

enough RAM to run Apple Intelligence. Great,

27:49

that's baseline stuff. It has a 6

27:51

.1 inch screen, it's an OLED, it

27:53

has a notch with face ID, so

27:55

the home button is gone. It's

27:58

just face ID, no touch ID. It

28:00

does have black or white matte

28:02

colors it is uh it does

28:05

have an action button no camera

28:07

control 48 megapixel single camera on

28:09

the back and one less gpu

28:11

core than the standard iphone 16

28:14

so it is the same a

28:16

18 same neural engine but one

28:18

less gpu core for the budget

28:20

phone no mag safe okay so

28:23

it does have wireless charging up

28:25

to seven a half watts but

28:27

no mag safe magnets and The

28:29

phone has Apple's first in -house

28:32

design cellular modem that they're calling

28:34

the C1, which apparently has

28:36

been in development for a really long

28:38

time. It's supposed to be super efficient.

28:40

I would love to test this. They're

28:42

touting a 26 -hour video playback battery

28:44

life, which is on par with the

28:46

latest generations of iPhones. And

28:49

it's $599 for 128 gigs.

28:52

It starts at five. 99.

28:55

Yucky. So, initial thoughts on this.

28:57

I think a lot of people,

28:59

including myself, immediately reacted to the

29:01

price. Whoa. $599. That's

29:04

a big jump from the last two. I

29:06

don't know if you remember, the last two

29:08

iPhones were, the last two SE iPhones were

29:10

$399 and $429. Yeah. So this goes beyond

29:12

$499 all the way up to $599 starting.

29:16

And it does obviously improve a lot of things

29:18

from the last cheap SE. It's not lightning anymore.

29:20

It's USB -C. It's a you know,

29:22

Face ID, it's an OLED, there's all these

29:24

things that are updated. But

29:26

it is still, I mean, you could

29:28

frame it as this is still 599

29:31

for a 60 Hertz like base iPhone

29:33

that has a single camera and doesn't

29:35

do anything special, like why is it

29:37

599? Tariffs, of course, are gonna come

29:39

into play here. This is the first,

29:41

I guess, new iPhone where we have

29:43

to consider that. True.

29:45

Yeah, I'm curious what the biggest

29:48

surprises were to me, honestly. MagSafe

29:50

missing seems like the biggest miss. I

29:53

think a lot of people associate the

29:55

iPhone with having MagSafe. And

29:57

I guess that's pretty classic Apple to go,

29:59

yeah, not the cheap one. Everyone else gets

30:01

it, not the cheap one. that is wild.

30:03

But yeah, like the MagSafe thing, it still

30:05

has wireless charging. You just can't line up

30:07

magnets. But it's also 7 .5 Watts instead

30:10

of 15 because of MagSafe. Every

30:12

iPhone says the iPhone 12 has

30:14

had MagSafe. Except the SE. Yeah.

30:16

Yeah. So the SE still doesn't

30:19

have it. Ellis' MaxSafe. 12

30:21

mini even. Yeah, MaxSafe. But not on

30:23

the SE. So that is, I think,

30:26

probably the biggest miss. That's wild. I

30:28

think the biggest X factor question mark

30:30

is clearly the C1 chip. We don't

30:32

know if that's going to be some

30:34

incredible improvement. They've been using Qualcomm modems

30:37

in the past for context. It's

30:39

just going to be some huge battery life

30:41

improvement that we see continue on future iPhones.

30:43

Are they going to make a bigger deal

30:46

up about this in future iPhone keynotes? Is

30:48

there some signal improvement that I should expect?

30:51

We'd have to test it. I don't know

30:53

what to expect from the C1. The C1

30:55

is a lot of the 5G modem, but

30:57

it does not include millimeter wave. So

31:00

not that really anyone was using

31:02

millimeter wave that frequently, but you

31:04

can't use millimeter wave data. The

31:06

question then becomes, do

31:08

they use millimeter wave for precision finding

31:10

with the air tags? or

31:13

is that? That might be something else. I actually

31:15

don't think that's through the cellular modem though. That's

31:17

not through the cellular modem. So it might not

31:19

matter. Okay. But they might start using the C1

31:21

to do that where they weren't before. That's the

31:23

thing is, I don't know. I have to test

31:25

and figure out like what things work better, what

31:28

things are more efficient. TBD, so that's

31:30

the X factor. The things

31:32

that we know are gonna be good are it's the

31:34

cheap iPhone with the newest chip, the A18. It's

31:37

gonna be probably the most

31:39

powerful on paper, $599 phone.

31:41

it's probably gonna be a

31:43

solid camera for a $509

31:45

phone, usually is. The

31:47

cheap in there is relative and

31:49

so much more relative now because

31:51

it's just so much harder calling

31:54

this the cheap iPhone at $600,

31:56

especially when the iPhone 16's at

31:58

$799, $200 more. That's

32:01

a crazy jump that - It's a big

32:03

jump from where we came from. Does it

32:05

make any of you guys scared for Pixel

32:08

9a? Like it'll go way up in price

32:10

like that. I'll take a jump like this.

32:13

I Don't think so or 29 was

32:15

super reasonable right 429 was way more

32:17

obviously the budget iPhone one is half

32:19

the price of the the nice iPhone

32:21

and that was cheaper than I came

32:23

out a few years ago Yeah, yeah,

32:26

yeah, so It is $25 a month

32:28

financing for two years. That's how most

32:30

people in the US are gonna see

32:32

is how most people in the US

32:34

see this the iPhone 16 base is

32:36

$33 a month for two years. So

32:39

it's literally the difference of $8. And

32:43

for that, you are

32:46

now missing the Dynamic

32:48

Island MagSafe. Ultrawide.

32:50

Ultrawide camera. And

32:53

I think that's it. A GPU

32:55

core. Telephoto? A GPU core. No

32:57

telephoto on the base phone. There's

32:59

no telephoto the base phone. $8

33:02

a month. So $8

33:04

a month. I guess you could get...

33:06

a cheap streaming service for that price?

33:09

Maybe, Phoebe? Phoebe or DDo

33:11

or something, I don't know.

33:14

But this is, it's an interesting phone. I kind

33:16

of am already starting to form my opinions because

33:18

at a software level, we kind of already know

33:20

what the iPhone is. Like we're not expecting some

33:23

new crazy features to come with this. We know

33:25

what Apple Intelligence is already. We

33:27

know what iOS 18 is already.

33:30

We know what that looks like on an

33:32

A18. We know what that looks like on

33:34

a 6 .1 inch OLED. It's just strip

33:36

out some of these features. Is this phone

33:38

still for you? I think there's obviously

33:40

a group, especially people who watch Waveform and who are

33:42

really into tech. There's a group of people who are

33:44

going, are you, you're telling

33:46

me $600 for a phone with a

33:48

60 Hertz display in 2025? Is that

33:51

a joke? Are you making

33:53

fun of us? Of course that's a terrible deal.

33:55

And people like that. This phone's not for you.

33:57

But there's a whole separate group of people who

33:59

are like, what's the cheapest smallest iPhone I can

34:02

get that's brand new, that's going to have five,

34:04

six, seven years of software support. Give me that

34:06

one. This is the phone for you, even if

34:08

it's not $400. It's $600 this time, but this

34:10

is still the correct answer to that question. So

34:13

whether or not this is the phone

34:15

for you kind of depends on who

34:17

you are and. Yeah, we

34:19

just now know what the phone is.

34:21

I'm curious because the iPhone SE's traditionally

34:24

have not sold that well So I'm

34:26

wondering if making a more expensive phone

34:28

is making them more likely to sell

34:30

well I don't I mean it probably

34:32

shouldn't but I have a question that

34:34

kind of can piggyback on that. Yeah

34:36

Do you think part of the reason

34:39

it doesn't sell well is because of

34:41

the inconsistency of when it releases because

34:43

we don't get them every year I

34:45

think it's because of carrier plans. I

34:48

think it's because people don't care about the difference

34:50

between a few bucks a month and they just

34:52

get the better one. The Pro

34:54

Max for the past year or two has been

34:56

the best -selling version, at least in the US.

34:58

That says a lot. The

35:01

reason I ask that is because, first of all,

35:03

I think iPhone 16e... is the better naming scheme,

35:05

even if we've gotten used to SE. I agree

35:07

with you. And that's what we did. My

35:10

question about that is, if we've now introduced

35:12

this into the same number of the current

35:14

lineup of phones, is this an every year

35:17

release now? That's a

35:19

great question. If that was true and they were also

35:21

releasing an air for the 17, they would have a

35:23

lot of models. I agree. Even

35:25

in the grand scheme of things, it's a lot

35:28

for the iPhone, but it's still not that much.

35:30

Like look at Samsung, like if

35:32

iPhones next year are 17, 17 plus

35:34

17 Pro, 17 Pro Max, 17 Air

35:37

and 17 E. That sounds like a

35:39

lot. But then you look over at

35:41

Samsung and they're like, we have a

35:43

phone at every price from $90 to

35:46

$1 ,700 at increments of 10. And

35:49

they all have different names. They're A

35:51

series, they're Z series, they're Galaxy S

35:53

series. So I could see it. The

35:55

one market that they're not really hitting

35:57

right now where they could really dominate

35:59

if they wanted to is the pay

36:01

as you go market. Because that's where

36:03

Samsung like really really tracks the reason

36:05

that the a the a series Samsung

36:07

phones are so insanely popular is because

36:09

they're sold at boost mobile as like

36:11

pay -as -you -go phones Yeah, they

36:14

are much cheaper though way cheaper. Yeah,

36:16

really cheap Like they're a little go

36:18

plastic. They'll go like yeah to 29

36:20

I don't think Apple wants to really

36:22

compete in that market because you have

36:24

to make pretty low quality stuff I

36:26

have a question for you guys. There's

36:28

something Harper asked me and I was

36:30

stumped Should you get this phone or

36:32

an iPhone 15? 15

36:35

regular I'll tell you what Apple would say

36:37

and I'll tell you what I would say

36:39

regular 15 like a base 15 yeah base

36:41

15 regular 15 Apple would say you don't

36:43

get Apple intelligence with the base 15 That's

36:46

what Apple is. You don't get Apple intelligence with this

36:48

one either. No, you do. You do. I thought it's

36:51

still rolling out. No, 16e. That's

36:53

what I'm saying. Two different things. 15

36:55

is never getting Apple intelligence. 16e has enough

36:57

RAM. It has Apple intelligence. It has an

37:00

action button. What I would

37:02

say is... I get this. How much

37:04

do you care about the two things

37:06

that are like meaningfully different to the

37:08

experience? The ultra -wide camera and... one

37:10

extra year of software updates, like those

37:12

are the things that are maybe meaningfully

37:14

different. MagSafe, how much do you care

37:16

about those things? I love MagSafe. Oh,

37:18

I know. And I think if you

37:20

do care about those things, you should

37:22

get the 15, because you can get

37:24

it for as cheap, probably less. Right

37:26

now, if you bought it straight from

37:28

Apple, It's $6 .99 versus $5 .99.

37:30

Yeah, it's $100 more for a $15.

37:32

For a brand new $15 today? Yeah.

37:35

Because they just continued, the discontinued the

37:37

$14. So the cheapest, okay, so a

37:39

$15 is $6 .99. But it has,

37:41

and that gets you an ultrawide. The

37:44

dynamic island, ultrawide, max save. One

37:47

less year of software and no Apple intelligence, which could

37:49

be a plus. But,

37:51

and it has the action button. Wait,

37:54

does it? No, $15 doesn't. Wait,

37:57

did they really just announce the action button

37:59

the 16? Oh, no,

38:01

no, sorry that 15 did have the camera

38:04

only the pro had it. Oh

38:06

Is that true? Let me

38:08

look it up. Oh the 15 pro had

38:10

the action. Yeah. Yeah, so

38:13

if you want an action button, you got

38:15

to get the 16e I do like the

38:17

action button. Are you a yeah? I

38:20

guess you won't know unless you start using a phone if

38:22

you actually care about the action button Yeah,

38:25

Apple needs like one of those like

38:27

what Marvel character are you quizzes for

38:29

the very specifics of which they need

38:32

and that's like like find the perfect

38:34

person for the iPhone 16e that wouldn't

38:36

rather have an iPhone 15 Wouldn't rather

38:38

just go to the iPhone 16 regular.

38:41

Yeah, or by a used iPhone 15

38:43

for way less money 15 years. Yeah,

38:45

if you're not paying on the monthly

38:47

dollar amount You know who this is

38:50

for? When I worked at Best Buy

38:52

Mobile, there were people that would come

38:54

in with like a really old six

38:56

-year -old phone and just be like,

38:59

give me the cheapest newest one. 100%.

39:01

Yeah. And that's who it's for. The

39:03

cheapest newest one. I could also see

39:05

this being for the company that wants

39:08

to buy everyone work phones and a

39:10

$200 cheaper for every single phone and

39:12

you're buying... The E is for enterprise.

39:15

There we go. Oh no, isn't

39:17

it always for enterprise? Or education.

39:19

Wow. I think it's very expensive.

39:21

It's for eggs. That's why it's overpriced. I

39:23

thought it was for Ellis. Yeah.

39:26

Yes. We will get our

39:28

hands on this phone. We will test it. We will

39:30

review it. Stay tuned, of course, for those thoughts. But

39:34

yeah, iPhone 16e, that is out. Another

39:36

phone that also has a small letter at

39:38

the end of its name is not out

39:40

yet. God, I'm crushing the segues. You really

39:42

are. That's pretty good. There was a comment

39:44

last week that said, y 'all are really

39:47

getting lazy on the segues and you just

39:49

brought it back to this episode. Welcome back.

39:51

I like the last one. That was good.

39:53

Nothing, phone 3a. It's not really unveiled. We're

39:55

getting the classic, like, dribble of information. I

39:57

think last week, nothing said. It'll have a

40:00

Qualcomm chip. And that

40:02

was it. Cool. This

40:04

week on our YouTube channel,

40:06

they did a very, very

40:09

objective smartphone camera comparison. So

40:11

they didn't show the design of the

40:13

phone, but they showed that they were

40:16

taking photos alongside an iPhone 16 Pro

40:18

Max in a couple random different scenarios,

40:20

compared them back to back, and then

40:22

concluded that they were very impressed with

40:24

their own product. Marcus, was it was

40:26

it deceptive at all? Look.

40:29

If you're nothing, you are incentivized

40:31

to make your device look as good as possible. You

40:33

don't make that video if you don't think it'll work

40:35

well. So if there are instances where you can give

40:37

the nothing phone an edge, you'll do it. I

40:40

think one instance was the video stabilization

40:42

section where they compared the ultrawide of

40:45

the iPhone to the regular camera on

40:47

the nothing phone 3a. The quality is

40:49

so much worse on the ultrawide camera.

40:51

It's a fact. It's pretty bad. So

40:53

look, I look forward to the phone

40:55

3a coming out. I have no doubt

40:58

that they're trying to hype that it'll

41:00

be a better camera because the spec

41:02

by itself convinces no one. It's an

41:04

interesting YouTube video. It's also an interesting

41:06

case study in a company reviewing its

41:08

own products. I don't know how

41:11

people feel about that. Me personally, I want to

41:13

believe that they can do an objective job, but

41:15

like, it just doesn't work. I can't watch that

41:17

video and then have them at the end go.

41:19

I'm very impressed by our product. Well, yeah,

41:22

obviously. But if

41:24

you're super curious about this phone coming up, there's

41:27

a glimpse at some stuff that it'll be capable

41:29

of. Yeah. And that's the nothing

41:31

phone 3a. Can I just say I

41:33

love this rollout that they're doing because

41:35

the tease of I don't think they're

41:37

trying to be objective. I

41:40

think this is them being like instead

41:42

of sending it to influencers, let's just

41:44

do our own videos. We'll influence ourselves.

41:46

I think that's essentially what. the

41:50

mood board is for their YouTube channel.

41:53

I think they went, wow, people

41:55

really seem to like the trustworthy voices

41:57

in this sort of casual style where

41:59

we talk about phones. So how about

42:01

we just do that for our own

42:03

phones? And we have unlimited exclusive access

42:05

to everything we make. And you don't

42:07

even have to pretend to be ethical

42:09

because you are the company. I

42:12

think that is important. We know

42:14

they're not going to be objective because it

42:16

physically says it's from nothing So we know

42:18

they're the ones doing it and I give

42:20

them credit there They're good at knowing their

42:23

audience and being kind of it's more personal

42:25

seeing them doing stuff like this and I

42:27

went into it like cool They're doing a

42:29

great job and then when I saw the

42:31

comments were all saying like that's definitely the

42:33

ultra wide camera They did the video on

42:36

and they didn't it's not only that they

42:38

didn't mention that it's that right before it

42:40

they said We're recording both

42:42

of these in like 4k 30. Just

42:45

so you know, the iPhone can go higher frame rate,

42:47

but we're trying to make it fair. So like they

42:49

gave the iPhone credit while also. Like

42:52

by that giving credit makes it

42:55

feel more trustworthy to then not

42:57

mention the biggest issue. That's right.

43:00

I feel like I want to give

43:02

them credit because they are doing something

43:04

unique. You don't see this type of

43:06

stuff from Samsung. Yeah, imagine if Samsung

43:08

did this. Yeah, it would feel crazy.

43:10

So it is very fun and start

43:12

-up -y and competitive and interesting and

43:15

we pay attention to it. But I

43:17

don't think we should be going there

43:19

for purely objective information. We

43:21

joke around about nothing and Carl Pay

43:24

a lot, you know, but I do

43:26

think if Samsung attempted to do this,

43:28

it would be the most cringe thing.

43:30

It would be so cringe. And Samsung.

43:33

We love you. Do it. Don't do

43:36

this. Do it. Like, it would be,

43:39

oh my God, it would make. Shut up! It

43:41

would make all the hairs on your arms

43:43

stand up. It just be like, oh. Yeah.

43:46

Yeah. It kind of gives the

43:48

old moment YouTube channel vibes. Yeah. If

43:50

you remember that. Moment is

43:52

this like camera accessories company that

43:54

used to review their own lenses

43:57

and stuff. Although they didn't really

43:59

say they were reviews. They

44:01

would be testing. They'd showcase what it was capable

44:03

of. Yeah. Yeah. Which felt more ethical than this.

44:06

Yeah, I think it's when you bring in a

44:08

competitor's product and compare it directly to it. You're

44:10

like, now I don't know if I can listen

44:12

to anything. I definitely don't know. I don't think

44:14

I can listen to anything you're saying. Yeah. They're

44:18

very good at doing the like compliment

44:20

sandwich of like, let's say one nice

44:22

thing about our competitor, which therefore makes

44:24

it feel. Yeah. Closer and then. for

44:27

the next 20 minutes. Talk about everything.

44:29

One of their most popular videos was

44:31

Carl Pay reviewing the new iPhone, which

44:34

they did exactly that. He's like, actually their

44:36

engineering is very good on this. Like I'm

44:38

very impressed. And then 20 minutes of good

44:41

things about the nothing phone. I remember when

44:43

Zuck reviewed the Vision Pro and he just

44:45

was like, I used the Vision Pro and

44:47

I used our MetaQuest Pro and it was

44:49

just shocked at how much better our project

44:52

is. Do you remember the best part of

44:54

that video? It was filmed

44:56

on a MetaQuest 3 and he turns around

44:58

and says there's the guy just standing like

45:00

this. I forgot about that. I forgot about

45:03

that too. Yeah, and it makes it hard

45:05

because like sometimes what they're saying can actually

45:07

be true. It's just we have to hear

45:09

it from an unbiased third party to actually

45:11

take it seriously. Yeah, like our podcast is

45:13

super well produced and it's the greatest podcast

45:16

in the world. Especially when compared to other

45:18

tech podcasts. Sometimes I watch those

45:20

and I'm just so amazed at how much

45:22

Better ours looks and sounds. Yeah, it's just

45:24

produced. Yeah, it's a fact. But don't take

45:26

it for me. Yeah, well do take it.

45:28

Don't listen to any other podcasts. Yeah, do

45:30

take it for me. Yeah. No,

45:33

I mean, that's why it looks so

45:35

bad. Definitely get your news from a

45:37

variety of sources. This is pretty classic

45:39

media literacy 101. But yeah,

45:41

you know, we got a little peek

45:43

at the 3a. Yeah, that was cool.

45:45

Okay. Well, it'll come out eventually eventually

45:47

I don't think so Carl Pay had

45:49

said that the nothing phone 3 was

45:52

going to be their first AI phone

45:54

So usually they like the nothing one

45:56

2a came out after the nothing one

45:58

2 So now they're releasing the 3a

46:00

before the 3 and the a is

46:02

the cheaper the regular is the flagship

46:04

So the 3 I believe is slated

46:06

for like and I think they said

46:08

later this year some summer or something

46:11

And that's their first AI phone,

46:13

which will be interesting and weird.

46:15

Before we go to, before we

46:18

leave nothing, I didn't want to,

46:20

I think we've got an interesting

46:22

opportunity for a little future wager

46:24

prediction, which is when the inevitable

46:26

nothing AI assistant comes out, what

46:28

are they going to name it?

46:32

And I will not accept little Carl as

46:35

an answer. Oh God, I wanted to be

46:37

little Carl so bad now. So

46:41

you know how Samsung did that weird

46:44

thing where they combined Bixby and Gemini

46:46

and it was just kind of like

46:48

Gemini with plugins in the S25 lineup?

46:50

Yeah, it could be along those lines

46:53

and what was interesting was I was

46:55

talking to them about it and they

46:57

said there's no name for it for

46:59

the assistant the assistant, but you can

47:02

still say I mean it is called

47:04

nothing Google or Gemini But for nothing

47:06

this was for Samsung for nothing though

47:10

You still just say Google or Gemini to

47:12

pull it up. So I think that will

47:14

still be true. I don't think they're gonna

47:16

name it at all. Do you say hey

47:18

Gemini now? You still say hey Google. But

47:22

does Gemini, can you say hey Gemini?

47:25

I've never actually tried. I don't think I've tried

47:27

that. Let's try that. have Gemini attached to my

47:29

action button, so that's how I pull up. Yeah,

47:31

have to launch Gemini. Alright, meet me real quick.

47:34

Hey Google. Okay, that

47:36

worked. Hey Gemini. Hey

47:38

Gemini. Okay, Jim and

47:40

I? No, it doesn't

47:42

work. Brilliant brand in Google, yeah. Rename

47:44

everything and then not allow you to

47:46

call it. Okay, nice. I think they're

47:49

gonna name it after the bird. Do

47:51

you remember the bird from all the

47:53

nothing phone one advertisements? The parrot? Oh.

47:55

The parrot, I think gonna be called

47:57

like parrot or bird guy or something

47:59

like that. Something bird related? Yeah. Do

48:01

think they're gonna - You're gonna have

48:03

to squawk? Squawk. Yeah.

48:07

Anyway, Trivia! Wait, did everyone

48:09

say their predictions? No. I was

48:11

in creative. don't know, man. All right. I'll

48:14

go with Little Carl. No name.

48:16

Little Carl. God, I really hope

48:18

it's Little Carl. Trivia, dude. So

48:20

we just finished talking about nothing,

48:23

but they also sell, like usual, welcome

48:26

to Waveform. They also sell other

48:28

things, you know, like headphones. And

48:31

under their sub -brand CMF, they also

48:33

sell like the watch, you know. But,

48:36

did you know that they also sell

48:38

a 5 .1 % beer? Named

48:41

what? What? They sell

48:43

beer? They sell beer. Is it

48:45

rebranded? There's nothing beer. 5

48:47

.1 % alcohol. How much

48:50

is that? Is that a lot? Sir, what

48:52

have you been drinking? Nothing. A

48:55

loophole. But what is the name of

48:57

that beer? Huh.

48:59

Hmm. This is another

49:02

trivia question. Little Carl.

49:04

Little Carl. I

49:07

wasn't built for this question. One of you may

49:09

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49:11

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Okay, I'm going

52:06

to okay. There

52:08

was a comment

52:10

last week that

52:12

said Andrew really

52:14

bums me out

52:17

so I'm gonna

52:19

be optimistic about

52:21

this Okay, so

52:23

Steve Huffman this the CEO of

52:26

Reddit and one of the founders

52:28

of Reddit did a video AMA

52:30

because he's too much of a

52:32

coward to do a regular AMA.

52:36

A video AMA is where you just answer questions

52:38

in video form. I don't know where you grabbed

52:40

the questions. I'm sure there might have been one,

52:42

but it means that you can't obviously be skipping

52:44

the. the number one upvoted one. Like, do you

52:47

know when you've done your AMAs? It's kind of

52:49

hard to skip the one that's like at the

52:51

top with thousands of upload. And the questions were

52:53

definitely written from real people and people on the

52:55

Reddit team. Yeah, totally. He did

52:58

mention that there's plans. He said this before, plans

53:00

for some sort of paywall content on Reddit. He

53:02

said, there's one coming we're working on as we

53:04

speak. So I tried

53:06

to take the optimistic approach here

53:08

and thought of a way that

53:10

might be beneficial for a paywall

53:12

subreddit. What'd you come

53:14

with? And I'll pitch it to

53:16

you guys. Patreon. Exactly. I think

53:18

it could be, I think a

53:20

creator or person focused community, like

53:22

paywall community could be the perfect

53:24

in between of like Patreon, which

53:26

is fairly slow and Discord premium,

53:28

which is fairly quick in terms

53:30

of chatting. I think that could

53:32

be beneficial. It could be

53:35

pretty cool. As long as that payments

53:37

is partially going to the creator of

53:39

it, then I don't know though how...

53:41

creates the subreddit, who would get payment

53:43

because how would someone else not just

53:45

create the MKBHD subreddit, right now our

53:47

subreddit, we don't even control. We have

53:49

no control over. So

53:51

that was my idea here. Judging

53:54

by how Reddit's gone lately, it's probably

53:56

just a money grab and will be

53:58

total garbage. Very unhappy with what Reddit

54:00

has been doing in the last couple

54:02

of years. However, optimistic

54:05

approach. I do

54:07

think that putting a like paid

54:10

I will see something that I pay for

54:12

in my feed that I'm already scrolling approach

54:14

is a good way to do it because

54:16

the problem with Patreon is that you either

54:18

have to check your email a lot and

54:20

read everything in your email which is a

54:22

bad experience or you have to go to

54:24

the Patreon website in order to consume the

54:26

content and like nobody just frequents the Patreon

54:28

website, right? But if you're already

54:30

scrolling Reddit and it just like a subreddit

54:32

that you subscribe to just shows up in

54:34

your Reddit feed passively. It's like I have

54:36

access to content that I didn't have before

54:38

and it is now part of my stream

54:40

of content. So I think that that is

54:42

a good way to consume paid content is

54:45

just to have it appear with your other

54:47

content. I don't love that

54:49

it's like isolated to Reddit and you

54:51

have to probably use the official Reddit

54:53

app and all this stuff. So this

54:55

is exactly how Twitter does it. right

54:58

now you just described right so if you

55:00

subscribe to someone on twitter uh their paid

55:02

content shows up inside the feed along with

55:04

the rest of the free content and if

55:07

you aren't subscribed it actually shows you a

55:09

tiny one -line preview encouraging you to then

55:11

go subscribe and pay to see the whole

55:13

thing to unlock the posting or feed so

55:16

It makes sense. It makes sense because also,

55:18

like, people just scroll Reddit. That's the thing.

55:20

People just are around, and so it acts

55:22

as a platform to surface people exploring and

55:25

finding new things, so I can see that

55:27

working out. Yeah, I'm not shocked

55:29

by it. I bet Reddit takes a cut. Oh,

55:31

yeah. It's a competitive, like, there are platforms,

55:34

so they're going to take a cut because

55:36

they're servicing things to people, but then hopefully

55:38

people who wouldn't have found as much of

55:40

an audience on Patreon without that active people

55:42

scrolling. We'll have a bigger

55:44

audience because Reddit just surfaces it to

55:47

people. Also, over under on Reddit forcing

55:49

you to subscribe to the subreddits on

55:51

desktop because Apple would take a cut

55:53

of whatever that kind I was thinking.

55:56

Very good point. Yeah. So

55:58

if you're in the Reddit app, there's another

56:01

30 % gone. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. That's probably

56:03

going to happen. This is

56:05

based on very little information. Like, I

56:07

don't know if that's what they're doing.

56:09

That's my my best take. And I

56:11

think that seems the most reasonable way

56:13

to do it, right? Is like to

56:16

have a community. Communities like to communities

56:18

are more fun when they're small, right?

56:20

Because it actually feels like you're participating.

56:22

Yes. So by having a premium community

56:24

where there is a paywall to get

56:26

in. guarantees a closer knit,

56:28

and especially when they can get brigaded

56:30

by something else, that

56:32

does seem beneficial. And

56:35

I could totally see it working. I hate

56:37

to give Reddit credit. It'll still be on

56:40

the worst app in all of history, and

56:42

I still hate Steve Huffman. So there used

56:44

to be a feature on the Reddit app

56:46

where you could go to the next comment

56:48

by hitting this little bubble, and I no

56:50

longer have it on my app. I don't

56:52

remember that there for you. You're talking about

56:54

collapsing a thread and the next it like

56:56

just jumps to the next thread I thought

56:58

they changed kind of how threading works in

57:00

reddit recently. I still use Relay or sorry

57:02

in the comments. Yeah, I'm trying to do

57:05

something with it. It's actually incredible app. Yeah,

57:07

see there's no thing anymore I don't think

57:09

should be a little bubble in the bottom

57:11

right corner that would jump to the next

57:13

head What are you doing? Oh, that does

57:15

there's a little arrow down here. Oh, yeah,

57:17

I know whoa That's not on the iOS

57:19

app anymore. I mean This app sucks. It's

57:23

really bad, yeah. It's

57:25

quite bad. It's actually good to know. Damn,

57:27

they did put it in a nice feature. See, it's

57:29

just not in the iOS app anymore. Damn.

57:34

Yeah. Each shit iPhone uses. I

57:36

will say if you, like I said, I've

57:39

had a continuously pretty good Reddit experience using

57:41

Relay on Android. Yeah. So if you want

57:43

a good Reddit experience. How much is it

57:45

a month? It's not

57:48

cheap. It's like eight bucks,

57:50

right? It has to be cheap because

57:52

of how much how much it costs

57:54

the developer for not cheap. Yeah, that's

57:56

true. Okay. That might actually be worth

57:58

it though. If you use Reddit. Yeah.

58:00

Yeah. Concert three things easily. Subscription.

58:04

If I just cancel my to be subscription, I

58:06

could probably pay for that. Shows him

58:08

my API usage. Wow. The

58:11

breakdown loading comments, loading feed profiles.

58:14

Wow. Dang. Yeah,

58:16

but paid subreddits. Actually

58:19

kind of a good idea

58:21

The best part is he

58:23

hasn't even made the point

58:25

we've we've developed at the

58:27

point yeah, yeah, so question

58:30

They have in they have

58:32

an in reddit video player

58:34

and a photo image viewer

58:36

now, right? Maybe that's why

58:38

they were doing that Instead

58:41

of just having a YouTube embed where

58:43

they can't like host the content now

58:46

It's like also better than patreon and

58:48

that you can like host it locally

58:50

just on the subreddit as well So

58:52

you have to go on reddit.com in

58:55

order to view the like subscriber only

58:57

content pretty interesting Yeah, yeah, it all

58:59

checks out. It all checks out. We'll

59:01

keep an eye on it. Well speaking

59:04

of speaking of checking out speaking of

59:06

eyes Eyes you use them to read.

59:09

Oh your Sandwiches.

59:13

Sandwiches. Book that you don't own anymore. I thought mine was

59:15

pretty good. I said speaking of checking out, and then I

59:17

was gonna go to Amazon. Amazon exists.

59:19

That was a good cycle. Oh,

59:21

I see, checking out. My head went

59:23

to like libraries, like checking out books.

59:25

Wait, wait, wait. Amazon exists? Yeah, yeah.

59:27

Since when? You didn't hear? Speaking of

59:29

checking out. No, no one called me.

59:32

They sell books. I hope you haven't

59:35

checked out of this podcast yet. But

59:37

what is happening with Amazon books

59:40

though? Adam. Amazon is removing a

59:42

feature that will let you download

59:44

your purchased ebook to your computer

59:46

first. So not a huge

59:48

deal because most people probably don't interact

59:51

with their ebooks that way. Like personally

59:53

when I buy an ebook on Kindle.

59:56

I just downloaded straight to the device, you

59:58

know, like straight through Wi -Fi, whatever. But there

1:00:00

is a way to download it to the

1:00:02

computer first and then transfer it via USB

1:00:04

cable to your device if you wanted to

1:00:06

do that for whatever reason. One

1:00:08

of the reasons is that that basically allows

1:00:10

you to strip it of DRM content and

1:00:13

then you can put it on any other

1:00:15

e -reader that you have because if you

1:00:17

don't have a Kindle, you could just put

1:00:19

it on a regular e -reader or whatever.

1:00:22

Also that allows you to basically own the

1:00:24

ebook that you purchased. Yeah, well, yeah, cuz

1:00:27

you bought it. Yeah, well, we can't have

1:00:29

that That's not gonna happen anymore because I

1:00:31

can't have because now when you down because

1:00:33

you can't download it anymore It's basically like

1:00:35

streaming like you know how That is horrible.

1:00:38

Yeah, like how PlayStation if you buy the

1:00:40

digital version technically you don't like own the

1:00:42

game You know, it's the same situation now

1:00:44

with books So if it's for whatever reason

1:00:47

Amazon decides to stop hosting a book or

1:00:49

if they change the covers of books That's

1:00:51

one thing people have been complaining about or

1:00:53

they like update the versions of the books

1:00:55

Your ebook will change because it's like reflecting

1:00:58

the changes that Amazon is doing on their

1:01:00

end even though you purchased it So like

1:01:02

what do you really own anymore? You're basically

1:01:04

purchasing an indefinite license. Yeah, you're licensing the

1:01:07

right to stream this, but I hate the

1:01:09

future. Yep. iTunes

1:01:11

too. And not that

1:01:13

this is something that affects any of us, but

1:01:15

I'm pretty sure back in the day, if you

1:01:17

died, Apple took all your iTunes. files back and

1:01:19

you couldn't pass them down to your kids. They

1:01:21

just put them up to the cloud. Damn. With

1:01:23

you. Bless out. So basically

1:01:26

if you have a big ebook library

1:01:28

in Kindle you have until February 26th

1:01:30

to download all of your ebooks because

1:01:32

after that you will no longer be

1:01:34

able to. I think Meta just downloaded

1:01:36

like 82 terabytes. Allegedly.

1:01:39

Allegedly. I heard. Out

1:01:42

of curiosity will you still be able

1:01:44

to side load ebooks onto a Kindle?

1:01:46

onto a Kindle? Yeah. Probably. Yeah. There's

1:01:49

a Kindle to cloud app that you

1:01:51

can use that they haven't updated since

1:01:53

2006. But it's okay. Okay. This is

1:01:55

more so how this is more so

1:01:57

how you get books from Amazon. Like

1:01:59

Amazon's changing it on their end. How

1:02:02

you do this. Let's go to borders

1:02:04

instead. Yeah. Do that. But what is

1:02:06

like purchasing anything anymore in this digital

1:02:08

age? Like do we actually own anything?

1:02:10

Yeah. Nope. I don't think so. When

1:02:12

I buy a Hogi, I eat it.

1:02:14

And then it just disappears from my

1:02:17

stomach when they decide to discontinue it.

1:02:19

You're just licensing them licensing the nutrients.

1:02:21

What percentage of our audience knows what

1:02:23

a hoge is? Oh, it's a sandwich.

1:02:26

It's a hero. It's pretty original, right? We've

1:02:30

gone off the deep end. I

1:02:32

think it's time to wrap up

1:02:34

the pod with trivia. All

1:02:41

right, question number one, fellas.

1:02:44

Tonneau cover, we get it

1:02:46

from French, but specifically we get

1:02:48

it from the French word for

1:02:50

what hit it? A, barrel,

1:02:53

B, tunnel, C,

1:02:56

mattress, or D, tonne,

1:02:59

like the unit of measurement. And

1:03:04

this question took a lot of research. Please

1:03:09

don't mess it up. Are you

1:03:11

sure that the research was correct? Why

1:03:14

would you say that? Why would

1:03:16

you say that in front of our audience? Be

1:03:18

like, I don't know, Alice. Maybe

1:03:20

they shouldn't trust you 100%. Just make sure

1:03:22

you ask JetGBT first to confirm. Oh, yeah,

1:03:25

sure. That'll get me the right answer. All

1:03:27

right, flip them and read. Who wants to

1:03:29

go first? I

1:03:31

just went with Ton. Ton

1:03:34

is correct. Nice.

1:03:36

So I also did that. So you also

1:03:39

got it. David, you put.

1:03:41

Mattress. Mattress, I made up. But

1:03:43

in a rare, in fact, for

1:03:45

the very first time in Waveform

1:03:47

multiple choice history, there were two

1:03:49

correct answers amongst this four. Because

1:03:52

ton, ton, tonneau

1:03:55

actually comes, is

1:03:58

the French word for barrel, more

1:04:00

specifically like a cask, like a

1:04:02

large barrel. And the English word

1:04:04

ton, comes also from

1:04:06

that word, because this was the part

1:04:09

that was really complicated to make sure

1:04:11

I had to get right. But essentially,

1:04:13

you started off by measuring how

1:04:15

much stuff you could carry on

1:04:17

a boat in how many barrels

1:04:20

you could fit on it. And

1:04:22

then over time, through some complicated

1:04:24

language stuff, we extrapolated the word

1:04:26

ton from that French word, barrel.

1:04:28

Anyway. Thank you for coming to my TED

1:04:30

Talk. All that to say, David, you did

1:04:33

actually have a 50 -50 shot. Do

1:04:35

you know how I know it wasn't

1:04:37

Mattress? Ellis was so eager

1:04:39

to say his like, like the bed of

1:04:42

a truck, come on. I was like, that's

1:04:44

not it. He's too proud of making that

1:04:46

up. Yeah, I should

1:04:48

have known that the French would

1:04:50

have not said Mattress. They probably

1:04:52

have another word for Mattress. like,

1:04:55

sleeper. Something like that. This has been linguistics

1:04:57

with way for I really wanted to say

1:05:00

damn there was a 50 % chance. How'd

1:05:02

you come up with that? That's

1:05:06

really mean quick update on

1:05:09

the score Marquez with six

1:05:11

Andrew with four after those

1:05:14

two correct On

1:05:16

points a job guys David

1:05:18

still in the lead ten

1:05:20

if you combine Andrew and

1:05:22

Marquesa's points now about is

1:05:24

a tie. Oh, it's typing.

1:05:26

Yeah, you both should have

1:05:28

okay next question Nothing makes

1:05:31

a beer. What is it

1:05:33

called? It's

1:05:41

five point one percent it definitely has a

1:05:43

name. Oh, sorry It appears you cannot buy

1:05:46

this beer everywhere yet. Not yet. Oh, really?

1:05:48

But there is a mailing list. How many

1:05:50

points does David have? 10. Oh, he has

1:05:52

10. I thought he said 12 for some

1:05:54

reason. Oh, no, no, no. The

1:05:57

math ain't math. ain't math, then. What

1:06:00

is it called? Flip

1:06:03

them and read. What do you got? Oh,

1:06:05

good guesses. David, do you have? that's

1:06:08

so really good. I put not beer.

1:06:10

No, but I wish it was. I

1:06:12

put dot. No, Marquez. I put nothing.

1:06:14

No, it's called

1:06:16

beer. Dang, I

1:06:19

thought about that. You

1:06:21

were the closest. You

1:06:23

literally put not beer, but it is

1:06:25

beer. So what kind of

1:06:27

beer is it? It is a light

1:06:29

lager. Of course it is. The

1:06:32

easiest beer to manufacture. I'm

1:06:35

sure you just met a few people. I think

1:06:37

I read somewhere it was like a Japanese style

1:06:39

lager, maybe. I would be into that. Anyway,

1:06:41

guys, I think that has been

1:06:44

our show, unless anyone else has

1:06:46

something, oh, to that

1:06:48

dude who posted in the, in the

1:06:50

not our MKBHD subreddit saying like, oh,

1:06:52

I found your thing. That's the same

1:06:54

problem I keep having. That's

1:06:56

just a thermometer. You

1:06:58

put a thermometer in your house and it tells you,

1:07:00

I used to have one of those. That just rang

1:07:03

a bell. I used to have one of those. Yeah,

1:07:05

they're fine. But to me, it's like, no, no, I

1:07:07

want, I want forecast. I want high. I want, I'm

1:07:09

talking about last week about the Brookstone weathercast. But

1:07:12

I used to have the thing that that

1:07:15

guy posted where you'd put a little thermometer

1:07:17

Yeah, yeah, that's great, but it's not it's

1:07:19

not it's not the same. I want to

1:07:21

know someone deleted it Just said didn't say

1:07:24

like here you go Alice. Yeah, which is

1:07:26

a deep cut reference to the waveform podcast,

1:07:28

but well, I think that about does it

1:07:30

for our show, right? Yeah That's for sure.

1:07:33

No more news. No more news. No more

1:07:35

news. We covered all the news. For sure

1:07:37

nothing will happen between now and Friday. Thanks

1:07:40

for watching. Thanks for

1:07:42

listening. And again, let

1:07:44

us know at South by Southwest

1:07:46

what we should do to involve

1:07:48

slash incorporate you guys who will

1:07:50

also be at South by Southwest.

1:07:52

Let us know in a comment.

1:07:54

We'll definitely do the most upvoted

1:07:56

thing. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1:07:58

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Maybe cut

1:08:01

that part. Anyway, that's it. Catch you

1:08:03

guys next week. Peace. Way from where it was

1:08:05

produced by Adam Malina and Ellis Rubin, partner

1:08:07

of the Vox Me the podcast network and our

1:08:09

trapdoor music was created by Vance. Bingo,

1:08:12

let's go. You

1:08:27

said which one seems obvious. I don't want to

1:08:29

say that out loud. Well, if

1:08:31

it's so obvious, then your boys are probably thinking it

1:08:33

too. Not these morons.

1:08:35

Well, the Not Not these people with

1:08:37

eight times the amount of points that I've

1:08:39

Mattress cuts.