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on. Yeah. Yeah,

1:26

what is up people of the internet? Welcome

1:29

back to another episode of the waveform

1:31

podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm

1:33

Andrew and I'm David. Whoa, all of

1:35

us. Oh, well, we're all here. Because

1:37

Ellis is back. I'm chewing. Why did

1:39

you put it right now? We're all

1:41

back and there's been a lot of

1:43

stuff that's kind of all over the

1:45

map, sort of unrelated stuff. So what

1:47

we're going to do. is exactly what

1:49

you think we're going to do with

1:51

a whole bunch of unrelated stuff headlines

1:53

in a hat. We're just going to

1:55

talk about that stuff because we have

1:57

opinions and thoughts and hot takes about

2:00

all of them. the waveform slack which

2:02

is where we all post things over

2:04

the week just felt like it was

2:06

nonstop for like the last seven days

2:08

just like leaks and rumors and teasers

2:10

and all sorts of little small things

2:13

that we will all cover today and

2:15

then we're gonna end with a Valentine's

2:17

themed game that Adam where we'll kiss

2:19

for all you how you know how'd

2:21

you know I'm also realizing it's headlines

2:23

in a hat and Andrew you're the

2:25

only one of the hat I am

2:28

the only one with that. So I

2:30

think we have to use your hat.

2:32

We do, but there is one thing

2:34

I want to talk about before the

2:36

hat. Okay. Which is every year around

2:38

this time, we talk about things that

2:41

happened at the Super Bowl, because there's

2:43

usually a lot of tech commercials at

2:45

the Super Bowl. True. I found almost

2:47

nothing interesting at the Super Bowl this

2:49

year, except for two small things that

2:51

I want to bring up, but if

2:53

anyone has any else. The commercials were.

2:56

More boring than last year. Yeah, I

2:58

heard they were kind of bad. Pretty

3:00

me. It was pretty crazy that opening

3:02

I used SORA to generate their commercial

3:04

though. Did they really? No, it was

3:06

made by a guy. Wow. Okay, so

3:09

the two things that I noticed, the

3:11

scoreboard design was atrocious. Was atrocious? It

3:13

was awful. It was polarizing. I saw

3:15

a lot of people saying it was

3:17

great. I didn't see a single person

3:19

saying it was great. I thought it

3:21

was perfectly fine. Really? That's where I

3:24

landed. It was definitely fine. It wasn't

3:26

terrible. Wait, why was it atrocious? It

3:28

was big. It felt so like, there's

3:30

a point of minimalism where it just

3:32

feels unfinished and that's what I thought

3:34

at points I was gonna see the

3:37

like. P&G checkered background behind it like

3:39

they had forgotten to actually like export

3:41

it correctly I think that looks cool

3:43

No, it's not that so they had

3:45

a they had a very subtle dark

3:47

gradient background behind it a little a

3:49

little dark. Yes Yeah, it's just two

3:52

boxes that say Casey p. I love

3:54

that I think it's what I don't

3:56

like is that the scores are inverted

3:58

depending on what side you're looking at

4:00

So it's kind of confusing to know

4:02

how many points Philadelphia have What do

4:04

you mean like it's like on the

4:07

inside? They put the score on the

4:09

right for Kansas City on the left

4:11

for Philadelphia If you watch the game

4:13

it wasn't confusing to know how many

4:15

points Philadelphia Yeah I think it's fine.

4:17

Okay, maybe I would like to hear

4:19

what people think in the comments. I

4:21

thought it just felt super boring because

4:23

there's so many other good animations in

4:26

design throughout the game like at the

4:28

desk they sat at. They had this

4:30

like these really beautiful, their logos that

4:32

were like had sparkles and like things

4:34

going on behind them. But you wanted

4:36

the logos. I wanted. Anything something

4:38

it just felt so boring what if

4:40

we try to make these two teams

4:43

look as similar as possible like what's

4:45

the worst the what's the fun I

4:47

don't know it just felt red and

4:49

one is green. Oh Okay my second

4:51

one one one commercial that I will

4:53

talk about was the Gemini ad which

4:55

was if you remember so it's essentially

4:58

a man standing in his

5:00

kitchen using Gemini to like practice

5:02

for a job interview that he

5:04

has coming up and it asks

5:06

him the question of like What is

5:08

a previous job and like how

5:10

did you how did you feel

5:12

successful in that and what he

5:14

winds up describing is him being

5:17

a dad and kind of like

5:19

in job terms all these ways

5:21

of like he worked with a

5:23

small team and he worked long

5:25

hours and all this stuff. He

5:27

was really adorable. What? He found

5:29

product market fit with his boy.

5:31

He really learned how to raise

5:33

investor capital. But maybe as a

5:35

dad it felt really nice to

5:37

me. I thought it was well

5:39

done, but I can't help but

5:41

think it's the culmination of learnings

5:44

from their Olympic ad, which was the exact

5:46

opposite of like, I have a daughter who

5:48

wants to write a letter, but I don't

5:50

feel like writing it with her. Gemini, can

5:53

you do it? Which they then pulled off

5:55

the air. Yeah, there's a lot of pushback

5:57

on it. Yeah, I think they went from

5:59

going. Let's do something very emotional

6:01

that people will like to let's

6:03

do something practical like a job

6:06

interview But they know it was

6:08

more emotional Yeah, but the thing

6:10

itself that he was using it

6:12

for was a job interview Yeah,

6:14

that's a good point. The actual

6:16

task was not like help me

6:18

raise my kids Yeah, that's a

6:20

very fair point. Let me do

6:22

a task Yeah, so I thought

6:24

it was really good. I thought

6:27

it was probably the best at

6:29

outside of like the Nike ad

6:31

but after that I can't think

6:33

of, I think there was a

6:35

Tim Robinson one later, but I

6:37

had stopped watching at that point.

6:39

I think I saw parts of

6:41

it online because Tim Robinson can

6:43

make anything funny, but. The Google

6:45

commercial made me think of this

6:48

comic that was getting like passed

6:50

around, read it and Twitter and

6:52

all that stuff, by Tom Fishburn,

6:54

it's two panels, and the first

6:56

panel is this guy standing up

6:58

sitting in front of a computer

7:00

and he says, AI makes a

7:02

single bullet point out of this

7:04

log email that I can pretend

7:07

I read. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty

7:09

awesome. And they should have just

7:11

posted that for the Super Bowl

7:13

ad. Yeah, that would have worked

7:15

pretty well. Honesty sells. No, it

7:17

doesn't. Today is also a special

7:19

day. Today is Valentine's Day 2025,

7:21

which means that it is YouTube's.

7:23

20th birthday. It also means if

7:25

you're listening to this at 5

7:28

a.m. on your commute in audio

7:30

wise, you still have time to

7:32

stop and get a card and

7:34

flowers for whoever you forgot about.

7:36

You're welcome. Go get that done.

7:38

But I figured in honor of

7:40

YouTube's 20th birthday and I've talked

7:42

about YouTube a lot on this

7:44

podcast. Usually. pretty positively. They're very

7:46

stable, long lasting social network. But

7:49

this time, no, so this time,

7:51

you know, they're not perfect, obviously,

7:53

but I figured I would give

7:55

you guys some things that are

7:57

younger than YouTube. So these are

7:59

all things that didn't exist when

8:01

YouTube was founded. You might have

8:03

already heard the story. YouTube was

8:05

originally a dating website. It was

8:07

founded so that you could upload

8:10

videos of yourself as part of

8:12

the experience, online dating, very interesting.

8:14

Anyway, things that were not around

8:16

when YouTube started, found times day,

8:18

2020, 2005, when it started. Vine,

8:20

Tik-talk, that one's pretty obvious. Instagram,

8:22

red it. Snapchat, zoom, the iPhone,

8:24

and everything that came from that,

8:26

the App Store, the iPad, all

8:28

that stuff, WhatsApp, Uber, Airbnb. I

8:31

think the most surprising one is

8:33

the iPhone, and Reddit just feels

8:35

like the internet, or they used

8:37

to feel like the internet, now

8:39

it feels like hot garbage, but,

8:41

yeah. That one surprises me the

8:43

most. Yeah, you'd like write it

8:45

surprised you the most yeah, I

8:47

think so I remember when it

8:50

came out and I was like

8:52

this is sick I don't remember

8:54

when it came out I remember

8:56

when I started using it. Yeah,

8:58

and my friend that got me

9:00

into it, but There's a lot

9:02

of social networks that started in

9:04

like 2003 2004 2005 that was

9:06

right around that boom when a

9:08

lot of them first the the

9:11

mega sites got made like Gmail

9:13

came up around then Facebook, but

9:15

yeah, this is YouTube's still at

9:17

the peak of the peak of

9:19

its powers still 20 years later,

9:21

if it was a person, it'd

9:23

be old enough to vote. It's

9:25

pretty sick. If there's, I need

9:27

something in there that's like a

9:29

staple food item or like, I

9:32

need, I need a, I need

9:34

a, that didn't exist. Yeah, that

9:36

didn't spread. Prime. I don't have

9:38

any food, but I have a

9:40

few more to add to this,

9:42

but I think we're pretty good.

9:44

Yeah. Blu-ray disks. Oh yeah, damn.

9:46

Spluritis were not around. They came

9:48

out the year after. Wow. Yeah.

9:50

And they've already gone to the

9:53

wasteland. Oh, I have another one.

9:55

Windows Vista. Yeah, because I remember

9:57

I had XP and I was

9:59

doing tutorials on how to make

10:01

your XP computer look like it

10:03

ran Windows Vista without actually running

10:05

Windows. Nice. Because Vista was bad.

10:07

Yeah. This is. One more. The

10:09

news feed on Facebook. Oh yeah.

10:12

I forgot they didn't have that

10:14

over. Oh gee, Facebook was a

10:16

wild place? Yeah. I wasn't there.

10:18

Walls were arguably the most confusing.

10:20

If you pitched how old Facebook

10:22

worked now, you'd get nowhere because

10:24

it made no sense at all.

10:26

Yeah. That's YouTube's 20th birthday. It

10:28

is one of the headlines currently

10:30

in my hat. So we'll skip

10:33

that one when it comes out.

10:35

Oh, sure. Perfect. But who would

10:37

like to pick the first headline?

10:39

Where are the headlines? How do

10:41

I get that out? You're currently

10:43

wearing it. I'll take that off.

10:45

It's not blue to my head

10:47

like Joe dirt. I'll take it.

10:49

Wow. Joe dirt with the Joe

10:51

dirt base. Wait, what? Who's Joe

10:54

dirt? Joe dark. Wait, what? Yeah,

10:56

I don't know. I don't get

10:58

that reference. Who is Joe? I

11:00

will do it very quickly. Jodert's

11:02

this crappy movie with David Spade,

11:04

where when he's a kid, he

11:06

has like a head injury and

11:08

they put this mullet wig on

11:10

him and it like fuses to

11:12

his head. So for the rest

11:15

of his life, he has a

11:17

mullet, because it's fused to his

11:19

head. That is a bad movie

11:21

plot. It's not the whole plot.

11:23

It's pretty much the plot. It's

11:25

pretty much the plot, actually, just

11:27

kidding. So Andrew, unfortunately, a letter

11:29

to creators where they talk about

11:31

what. they're doing, what they're hopefully

11:33

focusing on going forward. And we

11:36

couldn't help but notice that there

11:38

was a solid focus on YouTube

11:40

on TV, how YouTube is growing

11:42

on TVs, how it's actually surpassed

11:44

mobile. So there's more YouTube viewership.

11:46

on TV's than on smartphones, which

11:48

is pretty crazy, but then I

11:50

went and looked it up and,

11:52

you know, this is obviously dependent

11:55

on the audience and like where

11:57

people are watching, what type of

11:59

stuff they're watching. To me, someone

12:01

who does not watch any YouTube

12:03

on TV's, I thought this was

12:05

fascinating. I always hear about the

12:07

living room experience, you too take

12:09

know of the living room. And

12:11

this is like, this is very

12:13

interesting to me. So I went

12:16

and looked up the MK PhD

12:18

channel demographics. 45% mobile phone, 27.5%

12:20

computer, 18.5% TV, 8% tablet. So

12:22

almost 20% of you watch MKBSD

12:24

videos. Not the podcast, but MKSD.

12:26

It's almost exactly the same. It's

12:28

21% for the podcast. Okay, so

12:30

about a fifth of you watched

12:32

this on TVs. Oh, I think

12:34

that was about what I thought,

12:37

maybe a little higher than what

12:39

I expected, but then I went

12:41

and pulled on Twitter, just curiously.

12:43

And asked, do you actually watch

12:45

YouTube on TV? And the three

12:47

options I gave were all the

12:49

time, sometimes, or rarely slash never.

12:51

And it was almost an even

12:53

split. It was almost an even

12:55

split between, yeah, all the time.

12:58

What are you talking about? I

13:00

love watching YouTube on TV. It's

13:02

most, a lot of people's replies

13:04

were, yeah, I almost always watched

13:06

YouTube on a TV. And then

13:08

a lot of other replies where

13:10

I. including me, I can't remember

13:12

the last time I put a

13:14

YouTube video on a TV. Can

13:17

I make an analogy with a

13:19

hard enough cut so where Adam

13:21

might be able to edit this

13:23

part out? Yes. You discovering that

13:25

people watch YouTube on TV this

13:27

often is like, have you ever

13:29

seen when two people talk about

13:31

going to the bathroom? They're like,

13:33

you stand up to wipe, you

13:35

stand up to wipe? No, like

13:38

that is like are you? Welcome

13:40

to the Wayform poup cast is

13:42

so disgusting. That is so gross.

13:44

Who does that? Do you wash

13:46

your legs? People, like there's a,

13:48

it's always shocked. Yeah, like, people

13:50

are shocked. Yeah, see, people are

13:52

like, do you wash your legs?

13:54

And half people are like, wait,

13:56

no, of course. The water runs

13:59

out. Exactly, that's half the people.

14:01

And the other half are people

14:03

are like, no, you washed, obviously

14:05

you wash your legs. So there's

14:07

two halves. I watched so much

14:09

of my YouTube on TV. I

14:11

would argue. Yeah, outside of work

14:13

or when I like just happened

14:15

to try and listen to YouTube

14:17

videos as like a podcast in

14:20

my car, I'd say 90% of

14:22

the YouTube I watches on TV.

14:24

So describe, so you get home,

14:26

it's the living room TV, you

14:28

pop up on the couch and

14:30

you grab that remote and you

14:32

start typing with that arrow. I

14:34

mean... Do you, every time you

14:36

go and watch YouTube video, do

14:38

you type in the search bar

14:41

or what you watch. So like

14:43

so much of his home page,

14:45

subscription page, recommended afterwards. When you

14:47

do have to do that, it

14:49

is a pain. I think there's

14:51

a lot of UI changes that

14:53

could be way better. I usually

14:55

don't type. You can talk on

14:57

your remote. And it does a

15:00

pretty good job voice recognition, but

15:02

I saw this great video the

15:04

other day that I feel like

15:06

kind of talks to this where

15:08

it's like. Finally got home so

15:10

I can turn on the big

15:12

screen while I scroll my little

15:14

screen as reward for looking at

15:16

the medium screen all day. Yeah,

15:18

yeah. But yeah, I do it

15:21

all the time. That way I

15:23

can look at my phone and

15:25

do stuff. I can have stuff

15:27

up on the background or just

15:29

like, I have a nice TV.

15:31

I know you have a nice

15:33

TV. Yeah, like, I want to

15:35

watch. I agree. I mean, I,

15:37

so I have a lot of

15:39

home, iPad, YouTube. Actually, honestly, my

15:42

iPad is 50% a YouTube machine.

15:44

Wow. How, real quick. How often

15:46

do you watch YouTube on your

15:48

TV? So I have a projector,

15:50

I don't have a TV. Let's

15:52

count that as a TV. Sure.

15:54

Ellis. Okay. You're a projector running

15:56

Android TV. Yeah. Yeah. So that'll

15:58

show up in analytics. as a

16:00

TV. Yeah, I watch almost exclusively

16:03

YouTube on it. So and I

16:05

watch probably more YouTube on that

16:07

than I do on my phone.

16:09

Aren't you also a 2X person? Yes.

16:11

I guess I don't, sitting back, I

16:13

guess I watched on my computer a

16:16

lot too. I will say my phone

16:18

YouTube usage is not that high unless

16:20

I'm like on the subway or something

16:23

or on an airplane. Yes, same. What

16:25

about you too? Buh. I'm the

16:27

same as David. pretty much

16:29

exclusively watch YouTube on my

16:32

TV. So much so, and this

16:34

is a little embarrassing, but

16:36

I have been known to watch

16:38

shorts on my TV. Oh,

16:40

it's a little embarrassing. It's

16:43

not. There's a short carousel.

16:45

I'm not saying I'm just

16:47

sitting there. But you know, what

16:49

are you doing? You have to. If

16:51

I go on the home page and

16:54

you know, a short thumbnail catches my

16:56

eye, sometimes I'll click it. Is there

16:58

a short carousel in the YouTube

17:00

TV app? Yeah. It's harder to

17:02

get to, I think. Yeah. And

17:04

you feel like you're one of

17:06

the guys in Wally. You just

17:08

point the remote TV in down

17:11

arrow. Down arrow. Down arrow. Yeah.

17:13

That is a lot. Okay. Adam.

17:15

It's an experience. I was looking

17:17

through my YouTube just now to

17:19

see if it gave me this

17:21

information, which it does not, and

17:23

I wish it did. But I

17:25

feel like I rarely watch YouTube

17:27

on my phone anymore. It's mostly

17:29

on TV or computer. Those are the

17:31

two that I'm split between. I

17:33

would say I think our audience is

17:36

skewed. I'm sure a lot of our

17:38

audience watches on phones versus TV

17:40

because we're like such a phone

17:42

focused channel. Yes. I also am

17:44

surprised. One thing I don't watch on

17:46

TV is podcasts. I'm surprised when you

17:48

have. That would be the thing you

17:51

watch the most on to. Really? No.

17:53

How many feet is your TV from

17:55

your sink? I was from the sink.

17:57

I was just gonna ask everyone. Rockefeller

17:59

over here. I was going to ask,

18:01

everyone who watches YouTube on the TV

18:03

or a projector, how far away are

18:05

you sitting from the screen? Ten feet.

18:07

Pretty close. I have a pretty solid.

18:09

I have a solid living room, so.

18:11

It's like across the room. I just

18:14

feel like if it's a big nice

18:16

TV, I, like I, when I'm... I

18:18

guess I'm the only one. When I'm

18:20

watching on my iPad, that's the big

18:22

nice screen in front of me. And

18:24

it's close enough to me that I

18:26

can see and appreciate little details. I'm

18:28

watching reviews, I'm watching car videos, tutorials,

18:30

random how to, like home gym build,

18:32

that's not you guys the other day.

18:34

It's like, I want to. Shout out

18:37

that channel, because he was listening. I

18:39

watched a home gym video. We'll link

18:41

in the show notes. And if you

18:43

look in the background long enough, you'll

18:45

see. That's like me going watch in

18:47

4k and like full screen and like

18:49

that's me enjoying a high-res Video why

18:51

not do that on a TV because

18:53

the TV is too far away. What

18:55

is your what? For me to experience

18:57

like by the time it's 10 15

18:59

feet away it's small again. Sounds like

19:02

you need your TV or a smaller

19:04

living room which is screaming optics. I

19:06

got the I got the food in

19:08

front of me and then the I'm

19:10

the iPad kid it's right there. Eating

19:12

and watching YouTube on the TV is

19:14

like better. My food will go cold

19:16

sometimes. So I'm trying to figure out

19:18

what I'm watching. But it's bad. I

19:20

would bet you that because like longer

19:22

form content is like much more popular

19:25

now than it used to be and

19:27

is kind of the meta on YouTube

19:29

that probably correlates with TV usage going

19:31

higher. Because most of the content that

19:33

I watch on my TV is like.

19:35

25 minute videos about city development and

19:37

stuff. I think that's I think that's

19:39

a sweet spot for TV because I

19:41

think there's like hour long podcast that

19:43

people throw on in their car and

19:45

like mostly listen to it. And I

19:48

think there are short videos of people

19:50

scroll vertically on their phone. But I

19:52

think for like 20 minute meal time

19:54

video like the meal time subreddit meal.

19:56

Mailtime videos. Mailtime videos. What? Can you

19:58

guys send that to me later? I

20:00

need that. It's literally just like, I'm

20:02

about to sit down and eat. Let

20:04

me watch a video. That's about the

20:06

length of it. I put that on

20:08

my team meal. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. There

20:11

we go. I agree with you on

20:13

the longer form stuff. I think I've

20:15

gotten like really into I watched like

20:17

video game things, whether it was like

20:19

the making of the. Lego Island game

20:21

a long time ago. There's a documentary

20:23

on YouTube about that. It's really good

20:25

and there's another one about Simpson's hit

20:27

and red speed run records, which was

20:29

really awesome That's the kind of stuff

20:31

and that means I can scroll on

20:33

my phone at other times You're also

20:36

on your phone. Yeah, also right now.

20:38

It means I can like if lanes

20:40

off to the side playing with something

20:42

else. I'm not like right in on

20:44

my phone. You play Pokemon TC on

20:46

TCG all year like an open packs

20:48

documentary. I learned a lot today Oh

20:50

wait, I want to issue a challenge

20:52

before this. Okay. Do it back. Up

20:54

until next podcast, if you're in your

20:56

living room, and no one else is

20:59

using the TV, you have to watch

21:01

any YouTube you want to watch on

21:03

the TV. Okay, yeah, I mean, okay.

21:05

Just experience. Just experience. Yeah, I'll play

21:07

with the app. Look, honestly, any time

21:09

I use that app, which is a

21:11

few and far between, it's not very

21:13

good. Like in order to change resolution,

21:15

which I habitually do every time I

21:17

watch a video to max it out,

21:19

it's a bunch of clicks. Yeah, versus

21:22

mobile experience. In their defense, it's also

21:24

a bunch of clicks on mobile. You

21:26

have to like click the little gear,

21:28

additional settings. True. Yeah, but it's all

21:30

right there in front of me. I'm

21:32

just poking it versus like going on

21:34

the remote. Anyway, I'll do it. I

21:36

wanna hear next week, what you think

21:38

about? I don't spend a lot of

21:40

time in the living room in the

21:42

living room, but if I don't. I

21:45

don't spend a lot of time in

21:47

the living room, but if I'm in

21:49

the living room, but if I do.

21:51

and I was going to watch it

21:53

on the iPad. I would watch it

21:55

on the TV. I feel like watching

21:57

YouTube on mobile is such like an

21:59

active experience versus because you're holding it

22:01

because you're holding it or like it's

22:03

right in front of you like you

22:05

can't do anything else versus I feel

22:08

like when I watch a lot of

22:10

YouTube I'm kind of like relaxing so

22:12

I'm like I'm kicking back on the

22:14

couch and that's when I put on

22:16

YouTube on the TV. Yeah, I heard

22:18

somebody describe it recently as sit back

22:20

versus sit forward viewing like lean back.

22:22

Oh I'm laying all the way down

22:24

with a blanket on. I am a

22:26

on the couch blanket kind of thing.

22:28

I think the TV watching is mostly

22:30

laying back and I think that's also

22:33

what the iPad is for me, but

22:35

I think the lean forward computer, computer

22:37

or smartphone experience is different. And that's

22:39

all I really have locked down. You

22:41

know what's interesting about? I don't you

22:43

relax, man. I feel like a couple

22:45

years ago, I remember listening to someone

22:47

at, I think, Reed Hastings at Netflix,

22:49

someone like that, say like their main

22:51

competitor is YouTube. Yeah. And I remember

22:53

like hearing that and be like. Okay,

22:56

like what are you talking about? But

22:58

I kind of see it now. Because

23:00

it's an attention economy. Neil says in

23:02

here for the last two years they're

23:04

the most watched streaming service. Yeah, that's

23:06

crazy. That's the thing. YouTube and we'll

23:08

end on this. YouTube is so massive.

23:10

They are both the number one watch

23:12

streaming service and the number one watch

23:14

streaming service and the number one podcast

23:16

player, which is why Netflix is exploring

23:19

adding podcasts. It's true. Do you think

23:21

they're going to do what Spotify? getting

23:23

like Joe Rogan exclusively. They'll probably try

23:25

to get a video podcast exclusively. But

23:27

I'm not gonna like sit down for

23:29

a commute and open the Netflix up

23:31

for podcast. People do it for the

23:33

games. People play the Netflix games. They

23:35

actually... I know they do, but I...

23:37

I know. I refuse to believe it.

23:39

Apparently the YouTube games are also popular.

23:42

I do see them when I scroll.

23:44

I've scrolled past them every single time.

23:46

I've never clicked on it. But I

23:48

see them. They're no, whoa. They're pretty

23:50

good. You should play them. All right.

23:52

Next headline. Okay. Also, sorry I keep

23:54

putting the hat back on, but I

23:56

have some pretty brutal hat here and

23:58

it needs to go back on. It's

24:00

headlines in a hat. We got a...

24:02

Got to pick another pick another headline.

24:04

Another headline. Next headline. Next headline. Next

24:07

headline. Now usually pixels. don't leak. So

24:09

this is kind of rare. Yeah, this

24:11

never happens. No, there's a couple colors.

24:13

The pixel 9A, I guess we are

24:15

expecting to see this come out around

24:17

Google IO, which is May. This rumor

24:19

says March. Oh, because the A3. And

24:21

they just announced the Google IO date

24:23

as May 20th. Oh, so maybe before

24:25

I. Cool. Well, yeah, in that case

24:27

we see the rumors it looks like

24:30

it's mostly flat I don't know if

24:32

you guys remember the essential phone, but

24:34

it's giving the essential phone vibes Yeah,

24:36

it was good vibes to have in

24:38

terms of look Essential phone was a

24:40

huge battery Thanks for clarifying a huge

24:42

battery on it. It says the the

24:44

rumor is a 5100 million power battery

24:46

Do you want me to just run

24:48

through all the rumors I gathered up

24:50

really quick? Sure. Okay again rumored by

24:53

multiple different places so the the potential

24:55

for anything here to change is very

24:57

high but yeah four colors which are

24:59

black white pink purple essentially zero camera

25:01

bump there is a little tiny camera

25:03

bump but it is essentially flat two

25:05

cameras what I have the side rails

25:07

are flat and it matches colors yeah

25:10

Sorry, you guys are. I just

25:12

showed Ellis the picture of the

25:14

purple one and he's freaking out.

25:16

It looks very similar to the

25:18

iPhone mini that Ellis has. Okay,

25:20

spec rumors, 48 megapixel main camera,

25:22

13 megapixel ultra-wide, 13 megapixel selfie

25:24

camera, 5100 megapixel selfie camera, 5.6.3

25:26

inch, 6.3 inch screen, 120 hertz

25:28

refresh rate, tensorgy for 8 gig.

25:30

So they did the thing that

25:32

everyone's been asking for. They just

25:34

made the phone thicker, put a

25:36

bigger battery in, and now there's

25:38

no camera bump. It's what we've

25:40

been asking for. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly.

25:42

But that seems like, I mean,

25:44

an easy way to be a

25:46

crowd favorite. 499. screen but you

25:48

know people want big phones so

25:50

big battery yeah I'm not mad

25:53

I think it looks cool yeah

25:55

I think it looks cool yeah

25:57

I think it looks good so

25:59

are we in the position again

26:01

where it's like why would you

26:03

buy the pixel 9 just like

26:05

we were last year when it

26:07

was why would you buy the

26:09

pixel 8 when the 8a is

26:11

well how much can you buy

26:13

a pixel 9 for right now

26:15

I guess that's a valid point

26:17

probably the same price the difference

26:19

would be maybe some camera They're

26:21

both going to be 120 herds,

26:23

they're going to be similar screen

26:25

sizes. Pixel 9 128 right now

26:27

is 649 on the Google store.

26:29

But there's a president's day sale

26:31

going on as well. The pixel

26:33

9 battery is also only 4,700

26:35

milliamp hours, while the pixel rumored

26:37

9A is 5100, so this is

26:39

probably going to be a pretty

26:41

sick battery if it does end

26:43

up being this. Correct me if

26:45

I'm wrong. Pixel 9, triple cameras?

26:48

Dub. Only dual? Okay, so they're

26:50

both dual cameras. And an ultra-wide?

26:52

Yeah, great. Yeah. Okay. It's 640.

26:54

This pixel 9 is currently 649

26:56

on Amazon. It's $150 off. I

26:58

have a hot take. So, if

27:00

this pixel 9A ends up being

27:02

even halfway decent, is this phone

27:04

of the year? It's definitely made

27:06

a choice that... qualifies for phone

27:08

of the year, which is like

27:10

that thing we've all been asking

27:12

for, just make a thicker phone,

27:14

get ready to last like three

27:16

days. But it's February. It'd be

27:18

awesome. It is early, but I

27:20

mean, it's never too early to

27:22

start. It's like the first three

27:24

games of the NBA season, we've

27:26

got like an MVP ladder, like

27:28

who's the MVP this season? It's

27:30

been three games, we have no

27:32

idea. But I think in our

27:34

way too soon power rankings, a

27:36

phone of the year. Technically one

27:38

plus 13 came out last year.

27:40

Yeah, so it doesn't qualify, but

27:43

it kind of set the tone

27:45

but this would be like Be

27:47

like Luke has got a chance

27:49

of winning MVP because he he

27:51

might score I don't even know

27:53

how much is a lot of

27:55

setting Like yeah, doesn't exist like

27:57

these are rumors. It doesn't even

27:59

exist. But he's saying if it

28:01

does come out like it would

28:03

be a it would yeah, it

28:05

would qualify Look also wasn't the

28:07

affordable option Well, they got a

28:09

hell of a deal. So I

28:11

guess it kind of was I

28:13

guess that a good trade-in deal

28:15

for it. Exactly That's fair. All

28:17

right, I like it next headline

28:19

that's the 20th birthday one. So

28:21

I'll throw that out Rivian

28:24

teasers. I remember my 20th birthday.

28:27

Rivian teasers. Yes. Okay. Rivian tweeted

28:29

out yesterday, I believe. So this

28:31

is also kind of rumors. Yeah,

28:33

it's just a tweet that says

28:35

February 19th, sign up for updates

28:37

and four photos. The four photos

28:39

are sand with tire marks in

28:41

it. A sand dune with what

28:44

feels like spikes coming out of

28:46

it. Okay. Black and white photo

28:48

of. essentially like the bottom of

28:50

a rivian driving through the sand

28:52

and then the last one is

28:54

a view through a gear tunnel

28:56

to see sand dunes. This is

28:58

either one of two things. One,

29:01

it's either a crazy unannounced new

29:03

vehicle like an R2T or it's

29:05

an extremely underwhelming like random like

29:07

desert drive event that you can

29:09

attend. Oh I was gonna say.

29:11

Don't they have a soft sand

29:13

drive mode on the R1T? Yeah.

29:15

So what if they're just releasing

29:18

like a hard sand drive mode?

29:20

That would be even more underwhelming.

29:22

Yeah. Here's my underwhelming guess which

29:24

is some addition to the Rivian

29:26

Adventure Network or Rivian Waypoint charging

29:28

system that's in a national park

29:30

that has to do with Sandoon.

29:32

So maybe like, or great Sandoon's

29:35

National Park. Because they have one

29:37

in Yosemite already, they had a

29:39

cool announcement for it. They hyped

29:41

it up a lot that like,

29:43

Rivian's whole vibe is kind of

29:45

like being able to adventure more.

29:47

They wanted to add more to

29:50

National Parks because those are harder

29:52

places to get an EV to

29:54

because of lack of. So I

29:56

wonder if this is going to

29:58

be an addition to a national

30:00

park that has sand dunes. Yeah,

30:02

I'm like, I'm trying to read

30:04

it. Just like how we like

30:07

look at Apple event invites and

30:09

like read way too far into

30:11

it. This is four images. So

30:13

I'm going to overanalyze. First of

30:15

all, if you click the link

30:17

and it says sign up for

30:19

updates, if you click the link,

30:21

it says sign up for updates.

30:24

If you click the link, it

30:26

says sign up for updates. It

30:28

says sign up for updates on

30:30

upcoming. The fourth photo is a

30:32

gear tunnel. So this will in

30:34

some way involve a pickup truck.

30:36

Not the R2, not the R3.

30:38

It has to be either R1T

30:41

or some other pickup truck, right?

30:43

All four photos have sand in

30:45

them. So the theme here is

30:47

clearly the desert and the sand

30:49

and something with this environment. And

30:51

I think that's as far as

30:53

you can go, which means it's

30:55

either one, a special event. where

30:58

you can drive them on sand,

31:00

or two, a new product that

31:02

specifically involves driving on sand, which

31:04

seems unlikely. So I'm gonna go

31:06

with special events. I have another

31:08

theory. The only photo in which

31:10

they actually show any of the

31:12

body of the car is in

31:15

black and white. So what if

31:17

it's just a special color? Like

31:19

a sand color. The other question

31:21

was, is this just them re

31:23

announcing a quad motor, Rivian, like

31:25

the R1T quad, which is the

31:27

only one that you can get

31:29

with the blue colored brakes, I

31:32

believe. They have the like yellow

31:34

accent on the launch edition and

31:36

the blue accent on the quad.

31:38

So maybe it's black and white

31:40

to hide the blue. But the

31:42

brakes aren't shown in the photo.

31:44

That's just the body. Can I

31:46

give you why I think it's

31:49

a charging network? Based on the

31:51

photos. Photo one. tire marks in

31:53

the sand, being able to drive

31:55

towards the sand, which could be

31:57

a great sand dunes national park.

31:59

Chicks out, okay. Gear tunnel, looking

32:01

at this, I mean, most of

32:03

this has to do with like,

32:06

look, there are the sand dunes,

32:08

you can go to this place,

32:10

it's generally outside of the. photo

32:12

with the spikes popping up in

32:14

the shadows. Those are charging stations

32:16

rising from the sands. There's no

32:18

scale to this photo. There is

32:20

no scale to this photo. Those

32:23

are charging stations rising from the

32:25

sands to introduce the new charging

32:27

network. That sounds... Well, I mean,

32:29

we're being a little abstract here.

32:31

Oh, okay. I thought this was

32:33

just them announcing that the next

32:35

Dune movie will have a rivian.

32:38

All I'm saying is that they

32:40

don't have a sand-colored rivian currently.

32:42

So I bet you there? They're

32:44

probably gonna announce a sand-colored rivian.

32:46

A khaki rivian would be pretty

32:48

sweet. I'd be into that. I

32:50

want it to be R2D. I

32:52

want it to be the Maveric,

32:55

but there's just no way. Sand

32:57

color. I'm going with either special

32:59

event or sand mode. Sand mode?

33:01

Yeah, like the hard sand mode.

33:03

Sand mode. This is too much

33:05

of an announcement for sand mode,

33:07

I think. No, they would do

33:09

that. But is it too much?

33:12

There's only like four of colors.

33:14

Yeah. I think that's more visually

33:16

pleasing than sand mode. I think

33:18

the tire tracks imply it's more

33:20

than a color. So it's something

33:22

to do with driving in the

33:24

sand. It's either the quad or

33:26

a driving in the sand event.

33:29

Or sand mode. That's all I

33:31

got. So you're saying sand mode.

33:33

David, you're saying sand color. Andrew,

33:35

what are you saying? Uh, Rivian,

33:37

what is it called? Rivian Adventure

33:39

Network? Or they're not all, because

33:41

technically the one in Yosemite isn't

33:43

Rivian Adventure Network, it's just a

33:46

Rivian waypoint, but charging system inside

33:48

of some popular charger. Like. Sand

33:50

based National Park. I actually could

33:52

see it being quad because quad

33:54

on the by page is the

33:56

only one that's coming 2025. Yeah,

33:58

it could very well be quad

34:00

motor. Yeah, and they're just saying

34:03

you need the quad motor to

34:05

drive through sand for some reason.

34:07

Yeah, maybe the quad motor launches

34:09

a sand mode. Maybe that's what

34:11

it is. And you can experience

34:13

to drive in this national park

34:15

where we're also launching a new

34:17

church. Boom, we all got it

34:20

right. You know what? It's probably

34:22

that. It's probably... I don't think

34:24

that launching the charter, but we'll

34:26

see. We'll see. Well, we should

34:28

take a quick break. We got

34:30

way more headlines in Andrew's hat,

34:32

believe it or not. But before

34:34

we get there, trivia time. It's

34:37

been a while. I haven't spoken

34:39

in three weeks. Since that is

34:41

the audio equivalent of knocking the

34:43

rust off. I'm back everybody. Ellis

34:45

has severance but for for waveform.

34:47

Missed me. So if we get

34:49

into trivia, we wanted to give

34:51

a quick shout out this week

34:54

to our friends at retrospect. Because

34:56

someone put in the slack yesterday

34:58

that Urban Outfitters is selling iPods,

35:00

real iPods. And we were like.

35:02

What the heck? And then turns

35:04

out they were refurbished by retrospect.

35:06

It's like first-gen iPod nano and

35:08

no, iPod shuffle and iPod nano.

35:11

No, it was the mini. Mini.

35:13

Yeah. They're not new, right? They're

35:15

like refurbished. They're refurbished. Yeah. They

35:17

probably, I don't want to say

35:19

anything without knowing, but I would

35:21

imagine they have a new battery

35:23

and potentially a new hard drive.

35:25

I don't know. I haven't looked

35:28

it up. Uh, uh, what I

35:30

looked in there is. Retrospect sells

35:32

like a hundred things on urban

35:34

outfitters. Oh, like almost their whole

35:36

inventory on urban outfitters. Or like

35:38

retrofitters, am I right? Go retrospect.

35:40

Anyway, it comes with a 30-pin

35:43

cable and the OG earpods. There's

35:45

a shh what? There's a crapplet

35:47

of retrospect stuff on here. They

35:49

rule. That was awesome. Cool. All

35:51

right, trivia. I missed a few

35:53

weeks, I was on vacation, but

35:55

I wanted to come back with

35:57

a classic Ellis-Banger question. So tell

36:00

me guys, which of the following

36:02

companies? is not real. And instead

36:04

of giving you a description of

36:06

what they do, I'm just going

36:08

to read you the company's Twitter

36:10

bio. Okay. These are all tech

36:12

companies. A. Skeo. Sell

36:15

subscriptions without ripping your

36:18

hair out. B. Fruit.

36:20

F-R-O-O-T. Swift conversion. Automate

36:23

legacy migration. Ship. Ship

36:25

faster. C. Kike. Kae-E-A-K.

36:28

We are automating conversion

36:31

rate optimization. Or

36:33

D, co-ho, giving Canadians

36:35

the tools and knowledge

36:37

to make their money grow.

36:40

I made up one of those.

36:42

Made up one of those. Skiio,

36:44

fruit, keek, or co-ho. Kiki.

36:46

Just watching him hibly.

36:49

Yeah. What about do-do-do?

36:51

Who-w-woo-poo. You watched do-do

36:54

standing up? No, I

36:57

watched on peep. Okay.

36:59

I think that's our

37:02

cue to

37:04

take a

37:06

break. Answers

37:08

will be

37:10

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39:54

back to Headlines in Hat. We've got

39:56

more headlines in Andrew's Hat. They could

39:59

say anything. They're from the past week.

40:01

David, far away. Here we go. Are

40:03

you ready? Yeah. Powerbeats, Pro2. I keep

40:06

forgetting to write the actual headline. I

40:08

just write what we're gonna talk about.

40:10

So maybe this, I should fix that

40:13

next time, but Apple announces. Powerbeats. pro

40:15

two. My new favorite headphones. Yeah, I

40:17

wanted to ask you about that. Oh,

40:20

wait, do we have them? I do.

40:22

Should I go get them? Yeah. Oh,

40:24

I threw out the camera. You throw

40:27

them away? No, I threw them away.

40:29

No, I threw them away? No, I

40:31

threw out. They're my favorite headphones ever.

40:33

I talked. No, no, no, no. I

40:36

mean, so we reviewed them. To me.

40:38

better than AirPods Pro. They stayed in

40:40

my ears better, they had better battery

40:43

life, they're more durable. Fast forward to

40:45

five years later, and you know, for

40:47

250 bucks, which they came out at,

40:50

you're not trying to buy like a

40:52

lightning charge, like non-wireless charging old set

40:54

of earbuds, so they came out the

40:57

sequel, and they're basically better in every

40:59

imaginable way. They are the same exact

41:01

launch price, but they added noise cancellation.

41:04

and transparency mode, and adaptive EQ, and

41:06

spatial audio, and the H2 chip, they

41:08

are still IPX4 certified, the case is

41:11

smaller, the battery life is longer, and

41:13

charges more, and has USB type C,

41:15

and has wireless charging, and has better

41:18

colors, and the buds are lighter and

41:20

more comfortable, and they sound better. They

41:22

did everything. Did you already mention heart

41:25

rate tracking? And they have heart rate

41:27

tracking, which is actually kind of the

41:29

least important thing. But it's cool. It's

41:32

convenient. If you don't have an Apple

41:34

watch, then it's like if you work

41:36

out that much that you're buying $250

41:39

earbuds to work out in, I strongly

41:41

suspect you already have a heart rate

41:43

tracking solution. Totally. happen to not have

41:46

one? Okay, then yeah, you can do

41:48

that too. Can I play super? I

41:50

think they're great. I do really like

41:52

them. If I can play Super Quick

41:55

Devils Advocate. Yeah. All of those things

41:57

are like the bare minimum of what

41:59

a good pair of truly wireless earbuds

42:02

needs right now. Like it's adding all

42:04

this stuff because five years ago, it

42:06

was like on the verge of if

42:09

everything needed those, but like at this

42:11

point, any pair of truly wireless earbuds.

42:13

that are over $100 should have active

42:16

noise canceling and transparency mode and like

42:18

half of the things you just mentioned.

42:20

It's totally true. I think qualitatively after

42:23

you get like past the spec sheet,

42:25

it's like these have really good noise

42:27

cancellation. They're a smidge below AirPods Pro,

42:30

but like overall they sound really good.

42:32

The sound character. is fun, like when

42:34

I work out I'm listening to like,

42:37

I'm bumping, like good, like hip hop

42:39

and beats and things like that, and

42:41

I don't mind the extra flavor in

42:44

the sound and the bass is strong

42:46

and they're loud, I love that. They're

42:48

very comfortable too, so they stay in

42:51

my ears, which is already pretty impressive

42:53

to me, and then they stay sealed

42:55

in my ears, which is another thing.

42:58

So like AirPods Pro will stay in

43:00

my ears, but the seal will like

43:02

slowly weaken over time because of the

43:05

rubber tips. These with the hooks, they

43:07

just stay in my ears, they stay

43:09

sealed, they sound great. The battery lasts

43:12

like almost a month arguably with two

43:14

hour workouts every single day. It's awesome.

43:16

So qualitatively on top of the specs.

43:18

They're just fun. They're great. I like

43:21

them. So, yeah, color is awesome. I

43:23

think they're super comfortable. Electric orange is

43:25

one of the colors. There's also a

43:28

purple color, black and white, also options,

43:30

if you're a little more low-key. Hyper-purple

43:32

is the hyper-purple. Yeah, color. I'm saying

43:35

this is someone who my current favorite

43:37

earbuds are the Beats Fit Pro, because

43:39

I don't like the whole hook, but

43:42

I do like the wing tips of

43:44

it. to be physical, some sort of

43:46

a physical button, not touch control stuffs,

43:49

because any time you adjust in your

43:51

ears, I hate that. So Beats Fit

43:53

Pro is a physical button. These have

43:56

an up and down switch on both

43:58

sides and physically, like you have to

44:00

actually press in the button where the

44:03

beats are a clicking button. Yeah, so

44:05

it has. The volume opened off the

44:07

top, and then if you tap the

44:10

beats logo, that's your play pause. If

44:12

you hold it, that's your switch to

44:14

transparency or a noise cancellation. And it's

44:17

an actual click that you can feel.

44:19

Oh, it's in my backpack. That's why

44:21

I also like that you don't have

44:24

to because what I don't like about

44:26

the ones you like Andrew the Peace

44:28

Pro Is that one the wing tips

44:31

eventually start hurting my ears, but maybe

44:33

that's just my ears That's yeah, I

44:35

think that's a personal thing Yeah, but

44:37

the other thing is that the the

44:40

physical button you have to push it

44:42

into your ear which usually also hurts

44:44

my ears so I like that these

44:47

have buttons on the side of them

44:49

so that you kind of like click

44:51

them there still is one you can

44:54

see right here well it's almost the

44:56

same button as the Beats for pro

44:58

but it still has the two volume

45:01

buttons on it I do think though

45:03

these the hook for if the wing

45:05

tip hurts inside your ear I think

45:08

the hook will be the it's more

45:10

comfortable and feels like it's gonna stay

45:12

there okay for sure I have a

45:15

question about the using of these headphones.

45:17

So one of the issues I have

45:19

with my Airpods Pro is that sometimes

45:22

I'll throw the the airpods back into

45:24

case and it just won't charge and

45:26

I won't know that until the next

45:29

time I pick them up. Like occasionally

45:31

one of them will just like. be

45:33

loose or something. And then one earbud

45:36

will be charged up to 100%. The

45:38

other one's like 29% or whatever. I've

45:40

had that experience also with earbuds like

45:43

this that have the hook because it's

45:45

more things that could potentially get caught

45:47

on like the case and like not

45:50

properly hit the magnets correctly or like

45:52

whatever uses to contact. Yeah. Did you

45:54

have any of that when you were

45:57

using this? Like is it kind of

45:59

annoying to put it back in? No.

46:01

So the case I think improved a

46:03

lot of things. the magnets are strong,

46:06

when I put them back in, it

46:08

was like pretty obvious when they would

46:10

lock into place. And I think if

46:13

you, if you didn't quite get them

46:15

right and try to close the case,

46:17

it wouldn't close. So then I correct

46:20

them and then close it and it

46:22

would close. You'd know they're charging. And

46:24

that was the other thing is like,

46:27

they had this feature where if you

46:29

put the, like, let's say they die,

46:31

and you just. letting the earbuds die

46:34

like outside of the case like you

46:36

take them out of your ears and

46:38

just like put them down well that's

46:41

what I mean that's what happens to

46:43

me because I think it's back in

46:45

the case but the case didn't close

46:48

correctly or something yeah that ends up

46:50

happening now if you put them in

46:52

the case these I mean I had

46:55

no issues they seem to charge every

46:57

single time perfectly and then I kept

46:59

forgetting to test battery life because I

47:02

would habitually get done with them and

47:04

put them back in the case to

47:06

like a 100% every time so Yeah,

47:09

the battery was just like something I

47:11

didn't have to think about at all.

47:13

How are the ANC and transparency modes?

47:16

So I would say if AirPods Pro

47:18

2 is a gold standard, 10 out

47:20

of 10 for transparency mode, these were

47:23

an eight and a half. Okay. Pretty

47:25

great transparency mode. But they have the

47:27

H2 chip. They do. And I think

47:29

that that's a little bit to do

47:32

with like a physically different driver and

47:34

maybe different microphone arrangements. Like it's not

47:36

exactly the same. That was my follow-up

47:39

question is how are they different? Because

47:41

they look so similar. I mean shape-wise

47:43

they are different. They don't have a

47:46

stem. So the microphones are in different

47:48

places. So they are processing it with

47:50

the same chip, but maybe with not

47:53

exactly the same results. Real quick. I'm

47:55

not going to listen to listen to

47:57

these. Remember a few months ago? I

48:00

put out a video about speakers. I'm

48:02

kind of like the big gist of

48:04

the video is like, the driver is

48:07

really important in a speaker, but so

48:09

much of how a headphone sounds or

48:11

how any speaker sounds is about the

48:14

cabinet. like the box the speakers in

48:16

that resonates all these low frequencies, spits

48:18

out frequencies, does all sorts of stuff.

48:21

When you put an in-ear earbud with

48:23

a gel tip in your ear, people

48:25

talk about the seal being really important,

48:28

right? That seal we can call acoustic

48:30

coupling. And that means now you have

48:32

like this this chamber that energy doesn't

48:35

leak out of. The your ear canal

48:37

and the earbud itself have effectively formed

48:39

this closed area. boom. That functions a

48:42

lot like a speaker cabinet. But everyone's

48:44

head is a different shape. And the

48:46

inside of everyone's head is an even

48:48

more different shape. I hear that the

48:51

ear is as unique as your fingerprint.

48:53

Exactly. So think about all the weird

48:55

length differences and angle differences and all

48:58

the different ways someone's ear canal could

49:00

be shaped. That has a ginormous impact.

49:02

on the way earbuds are going to

49:05

sound. So two people could wear the

49:07

exact same earbuds. And one person could

49:09

say, the base in these is insane.

49:12

And the other person could say, these

49:14

literally have no base. And they would

49:16

both be right. I have a question

49:19

about that. Yeah. So that makes intuitive

49:21

sense that. Once they're calibrated to their

49:23

own ear that the differences in either

49:26

direction will stay the same So if

49:28

one person thinks the beats have no

49:30

base and one person thinks they have

49:33

a ton of base and then I

49:35

give them both The shocks earphones which

49:37

have more base will they both hear

49:40

more base? I think And I don't

49:42

know this is like sort of a

49:44

pretty intense question, but I I'm inclined

49:47

to answer with There's too

49:49

many asterisks for there to be

49:51

one answer to that question, right?

49:53

Like what frequencies are the dominant

49:55

frequencies of the material you're listening

49:57

to? What? what key is the

49:59

song in, so therefore what is

50:01

the lowest fundamental note you will

50:03

hear? You know, because it's not

50:05

about, you can describe it as

50:07

more base, less base, but it

50:09

is also as like, your canals

50:11

have a bend that make them

50:13

resonate more at 50 hertz, whereas

50:15

mine resonate more at 65 hertz.

50:17

And depending on what key the

50:19

song is in, we could perceive

50:21

more or less base. Yeah, because

50:23

there are reviews of certain headphones

50:25

that. definitely are very base heavy

50:27

where universally everyone's like oh yeah

50:29

these these have a ton of

50:32

base and I like them because

50:34

of that like I have songs

50:36

that I listen to where there's

50:38

a ton of sub base and

50:40

I listen to on these headphones

50:42

and it sounds great and you

50:44

read the reviews and everyone's like

50:46

yeah these are really basic yeah

50:48

so there's some sort of directional

50:50

agreement even though everyone's probably sounds

50:52

slightly different per person yeah so

50:54

I listen to these beats and

50:56

I think these sound really good

50:58

I don't say that about beats

51:00

very much. It's been years of

51:02

reviewing beats, and I'm finally saying

51:04

beats sound like exactly how I

51:06

want them to, so that's great.

51:08

So that's why I like them.

51:10

No, and it's also why earbud

51:12

arguments literally drive me up the

51:14

wall, because the true answer of

51:16

what the best sounding true wireless

51:18

earbud is, the one that sounds

51:20

best to you. It's literally, there

51:22

is an IE standard for measuring

51:24

the frequency response of earbud. than

51:26

a speaker because there's no room,

51:28

but at the same time it's

51:30

actually way less important because we

51:32

have rooms built into our noggins

51:34

and everyone's is different. Anyway, because

51:37

someone could say the Power Beats

51:39

Pro 2 are all about that

51:41

base and no trouble, but another

51:43

person might say that's all about

51:45

that trouble with no base. Yeah,

51:47

exactly. Do you think that's why

51:49

it sounds a little better? the

51:51

constant monitoring with microphones. So I

51:53

didn't listen in adaptive EQ mode

51:55

very much. So it's a third

51:57

mode, so there's noise canceling mode,

51:59

transparent. and adaptive EQ mode. Oh,

52:01

interesting. In adaptive EQ mode, where

52:03

it's not doing all of the

52:05

noise canceling stuff, the battery life

52:07

is the longest, 10 hours of

52:09

charge. If you do ANC or

52:11

transparency, something like eight hours of charge, or

52:13

sorry, I said 10 for the first one,

52:15

eight for that. I mostly listened with noise

52:18

canceling on, because it's good enough. And this

52:20

is to answer your previous question, like if

52:22

AirPods Pro are a 10 out of 10,

52:24

I know they're not, but let's say that's

52:26

where they're at, these are also like an

52:28

8, so they will get rid of white

52:31

noise mostly, and they're best at that, but

52:33

you'll still get keyboard sounds and like other

52:35

handling sounds. I realize in the video when

52:37

you said that, it was like. Keyboard sounds

52:39

might come through and I was like, he's

52:41

talking about my keyboards, which might be

52:44

a little louder than the average. To

52:46

the left of you, that will make

52:48

it through. Yeah, but I think in

52:50

general, if you're turning the music up

52:53

and you have the ANC on, you're

52:55

just gonna hear music. So, yeah. I

52:57

say one last thing about these. Whoever

52:59

designed the website did a great job

53:01

because David's been spinning around the virtual.

53:04

It's basically a fidget. There's a 3D

53:06

like version that you can look at

53:08

and whatever angle you're at when you

53:10

change color it snaps back to

53:12

the original. It's really it's really

53:15

well done. Very nice. Wow. That's

53:17

pretty good. All right. Better than

53:19

Apple's. Next headline. Just. Okay. Preliminary

53:22

findings. They both have the same

53:24

inside the ear. optical sensor, just

53:26

the power beats is rotated 90

53:29

degrees. The heart rate optical

53:31

sensor not present on this guy.

53:33

Airport rumor that the next airpods

53:36

might get one. I could totally

53:38

see that. The vents are different,

53:40

big big giant. vent on the

53:43

side of the airports prone not

53:45

present on here. I can't even

53:47

find the internal microphones on this

53:49

thing like the the microphones that

53:52

listen. Yeah, I think they're behind

53:54

the mesh possibly. I think what

53:56

we need is for someone like

53:58

Zach or I fix it to

54:01

do a tear down on these.

54:03

And then I'll be able to

54:05

tell you more about if it's

54:07

just a rehoused air pod pro

54:09

too. But I like the orange.

54:11

The orange is really nice. The

54:14

orange is sweet. Electric. That is

54:16

Ellis' audio corner. Audio corner. Aren't

54:18

you guys so happy? I'm back.

54:20

Next headline. It's hat time. Is

54:22

it me? All right. A few

54:24

left. Do Alipa interviewed Tim Cook.

54:26

Like this headline. This headline says,

54:29

boomless, supersonic plane. We just finished

54:31

one rant right into the next

54:33

day. I'm not, I'm not ready

54:35

for this rant. I am ready

54:37

for this because I'm, I'm kind

54:39

of a fan. I talked about

54:41

it on the last podcast. We

54:44

did talk. So the update, so

54:46

the supersonic plane that's being developed

54:48

and tested in public and making

54:50

all these headlines, had another update,

54:52

and the update was that, and

54:54

I don't know if this is

54:56

unique to this plane, but essentially

54:58

they've found that there's an altitude

55:01

and a speed that you can

55:03

fly. where you can fly supersonic

55:05

and not cause an audible boom

55:07

on the ground. Now for those

55:09

of you who may remember Concord

55:11

or maybe you're just a nerd

55:13

and you watch it on YouTube

55:16

videos you probably know that an

55:18

airplane flying fast in the speed

55:20

of sound creates a sonic boom.

55:22

on the ground, which is it

55:24

passes by you and then at

55:26

some point later the sound wall

55:28

catches up and this high pressure

55:31

wave hits you and it's a

55:33

boom. And it's kind of annoying

55:35

if you're just living in an

55:37

area where you hear booms all

55:39

the time. I used to live

55:41

right above an Air Force base.

55:43

Oh wow. You lived above the

55:46

Air Force base? Yeah. We were

55:48

right above Beale Air Force Base,

55:50

yes. I heard song rooms like

55:52

every day. Okay, so perfect example.

55:54

So that's a that's a downside

55:56

to Supersonic planes. The upside is

55:58

you can go from here to

56:01

London in two hours or whatever.

56:03

The downside is people on the

56:05

ground having to deal with loud

56:07

booms that may even damage things

56:09

or like break windows or be

56:11

really. knowing the pets. So the

56:13

science is that there is a

56:16

cutoff speed and altitude where you

56:18

can fly and essentially because of

56:20

refraction the atmosphere and temperature and

56:22

a bunch of other factors the

56:24

supersonic the boom actually bounces off

56:26

the bottom of the clouds or

56:28

bounces off and back into the

56:31

air and doesn't reach the ground.

56:33

The point is it doesn't reach

56:35

the ground. So it depends on

56:37

temperature. It depends on temperature and

56:39

it depends on where you're flying

56:41

and a bunch of other factors.

56:43

So it's not consistent. It's not

56:46

going to be perfect every single

56:48

time. That's not great. The fact

56:50

is this exists, this rough area

56:52

slash speed slash combo exists, where

56:54

you can fly supersonic. and not

56:56

cause a sonic boom on the

56:58

ground. I'm just trying to stall

57:00

as much as I can while

57:03

Ellis furiously types into Wikipedia. There's

57:05

this way my flight's gonna get

57:07

delayed because it could cause a

57:09

sonic boom if it's too warm.

57:11

Look, most of these flights are

57:13

over the ocean, so it's actually

57:15

not that big of a problem.

57:18

But if you're doing here to

57:20

LA that's overland, so they've got

57:22

to fly in an area and

57:24

an altitude where ideally it's not

57:26

an issue. But yeah, the fact

57:28

that you can do that at

57:30

all is pretty sick. There's a

57:33

strong irony to the fact that

57:35

the company is called Boom and

57:37

their whole thing is how they're

57:39

boomless. Yeah. So, boomless. They should

57:41

just have called themselves boomless. I

57:43

think the Sonic Boom is famous

57:45

for like, old, like, fighter jet

57:48

videos on YouTube. You've probably seen

57:50

them and you've experienced them in

57:52

real life, but yeah, Sonic Boom

57:54

is pretty crazy. Yeah, they're annoying.

57:56

To see, to have a boomless,

57:58

supersonic. Craft is also great before

58:00

supersonic booms were popular because Chuck

58:03

Yeager famously broke the sound barrier

58:05

and stole my childhood When he

58:07

bought my road. Thank you. I

58:09

was gonna say you're gonna have

58:11

to explain no for the question

58:13

Yeah, Chuck Yeager. It's just Laura

58:15

at this point is lore, but

58:18

my dad was living in the

58:20

area the first time the sound

58:22

barrier was broken and he said

58:24

everyone called in to the like

58:26

local news stations because they thought

58:28

aliens were invading because they never

58:30

heard a sonic boom before yeah

58:33

so everyone freaked out so yeah

58:35

that's terrifying if you have no

58:37

idea what's going on yeah you

58:39

just here in the sky like

58:41

yeah it just basically sounds like

58:43

yeah you can play a clip

58:45

of it you'll you'll understand yeah

58:48

so yeah exciting I also have

58:50

no idea if this plane will

58:52

ever actually be real or if

58:54

anyone will ever actually ride in

58:56

one. Oh, there goes the headlines.

58:58

You can't take that off over

59:00

and over. Yeah, so that's my,

59:02

that's the update. I know nothing

59:05

else about this other than the

59:07

science is pretty sick. Boomless. I'm

59:09

a fan of not the company,

59:11

but the science that they keep

59:13

exposing us all to. Very cool.

59:15

I have a feeling that the

59:17

way you feel about this company

59:20

is like eating me away because

59:22

there's They're doing the Silicon Valley

59:24

thing where they're like We changed

59:26

everything and we're like great and

59:28

they're like that's it period. Yeah,

59:30

we'll see you next year and

59:32

it's like nothing else I have

59:35

a feeling that the way you

59:37

feel about this company is similar

59:39

to the way I feel about

59:41

startup EV companies I would The

59:43

plane that flew this week and

59:45

got retired this week is called

59:47

the XB1. It is their proof

59:50

of concept aircraft. They said they

59:52

flew mock 1.14 at about 35,000

59:54

feet and there were no audible

59:56

sonic booms from the ground. And

59:58

that's great. So now they're going

1:00:00

to continue development on their actual.

1:00:02

airliner called Overture. In order to

1:00:05

do that, they need to develop

1:00:07

their own, I think they're going

1:00:09

with a low bypass turbofan engine

1:00:11

that they're calling Symphony, that they

1:00:13

have to develop themselves because all

1:00:15

the major engine manufacturing We're like,

1:00:17

like, we can't do that. We

1:00:20

don't, I don't know. We will

1:00:22

see. I did think it was

1:00:24

interesting that they did a lot

1:00:26

of this with the XB1 with

1:00:28

off-the-shelf parts, specifically the General Electric,

1:00:30

I think it's the J85-15 afterburner

1:00:32

variant. I don't know. We'll see.

1:00:35

I'm, I'm curious. And if you're

1:00:37

an aviation engineer and want to

1:00:39

talk about the mock cutoff effect

1:00:41

and help me understand why you

1:00:43

don't need like a 50-foot nose

1:00:45

cone to get it, please let

1:00:47

me know because I am not

1:00:49

an aerospace engineer and I'm confused.

1:00:52

You did forget one of the

1:00:54

thing and it's the new plane

1:00:56

they're developing also live translates. Yeah.

1:00:58

You're right that. If you read

1:01:00

their website, which is like very

1:01:02

much me not caring about the

1:01:04

product anymore and just reading the

1:01:07

science, boomless cruise is what they're

1:01:09

calling it, but basically supersonic travel

1:01:11

without the boom hitting the ground

1:01:13

is possible between certain ranges of

1:01:15

speeds depending on conditions. Yes. And

1:01:17

so they were saying like, oh

1:01:19

yeah, we could get you to

1:01:22

LA maybe 90 minutes faster with

1:01:24

no boom if the conditions are

1:01:26

right. But if we're going over

1:01:28

water, we don't care about the

1:01:30

boom and we could go mock.

1:01:32

1.5 or something. I think it

1:01:34

was in between 1.72 is what

1:01:37

they're shooting for. Yeah. Am I

1:01:39

right about that? Yeah. I'm, yeah.

1:01:41

I, here's the thing, right? Did

1:01:43

you watch the live stream? No,

1:01:45

I haven't watched any. Actually, I

1:01:47

watched a replay and I scanned

1:01:49

through it for like five seconds.

1:01:52

Yeah. Yeah. And I was just

1:01:54

sort of like, is this, you

1:01:56

know, whatever. Great. Space Hax caught

1:01:58

a rocket. They're flying a plane

1:02:00

that... doesn't produce the thing that

1:02:02

we would see anyways. It has

1:02:04

no boom. Counterpoint. They have a

1:02:07

live speed tracker thing. Oh, they're

1:02:09

supersonic now. That's cool. Counterpoint, though,

1:02:11

Andrew. The test pilot that works

1:02:13

for boom is named Gippetto. And

1:02:15

so during the whole live stream,

1:02:17

they were like, I think Gippetto

1:02:19

is about to hit the afterburners,

1:02:22

which I just thought sounded really,

1:02:24

really silly. That's a great sentence.

1:02:26

Counterpoint to your counterpoint. I know

1:02:28

nothing about aeronautics. So

1:02:30

I can't contribute anything. Hear me

1:02:32

out. Faster flights. That would be.

1:02:35

You in? You in? Hear me

1:02:37

out. Driverless cars. Next year. Wait.

1:02:39

Hear me out. His name is

1:02:41

Tristan. His name is not Jupetto.

1:02:43

Jupetto is his nickname. They call

1:02:45

him Jupetto. And on the stream

1:02:47

they were like, Jupetto. He's hitting

1:02:50

after. But no, his name is

1:02:52

actually Tristin. There's this guy, Japeto,

1:02:54

and meanwhile, Tristan's out there, like,

1:02:56

angry. Sorry, Tristan. Yeah. All right,

1:02:58

next headline. Oppo, Find, N5. Oh,

1:03:00

wait, do we have it? Oh,

1:03:03

yeah, I should have brought it.

1:03:05

Well, well, you can, we can

1:03:07

show it if we don't turn

1:03:09

the screen on. It makes no

1:03:11

different, I can. No, we can.

1:03:13

Okay, here's, here's the headline. Here's

1:03:15

the headline. thinnest book style foldable.

1:03:18

That's all we get. That's all

1:03:20

we get. And so I got

1:03:22

this email, I got the device,

1:03:24

I got someone reaching out from

1:03:26

APO, and so I have the

1:03:28

phone, and what we are allowed

1:03:31

to show slash confirm is that

1:03:33

it is in fact very thin.

1:03:35

We are not allowed to show

1:03:37

the device with the screen on.

1:03:39

We are actually only allowed to

1:03:41

show either photos that they have

1:03:43

provided for us or our own

1:03:46

photos. Now, this is a video

1:03:48

podcast. I tried to convince Marquez

1:03:50

to put it on video and

1:03:52

just say video. What is a

1:03:54

bunch of photos? I'm with you.

1:03:56

I'm with you. I'm airing on

1:03:58

the safe side here because 30

1:04:01

pictures every second is just where

1:04:03

we're at right now. But fine,

1:04:05

okay. It is very thin. It's

1:04:07

got me pondering a whole much

1:04:09

more thoughts and feelings about it,

1:04:11

but I can't really get into

1:04:14

those because all we can really

1:04:16

talk about is, wow, very thin.

1:04:18

It's super thin. There's a slightly

1:04:20

modified USB type C port on

1:04:22

this thing. That's basically the entire

1:04:24

thickness of each side of the

1:04:26

book foldable. It's like four and

1:04:29

a half millimeters. Counterpoint. Counterpoint. It's

1:04:31

full of them today. Microsoft surface

1:04:33

duo. It feels super similar to

1:04:35

the launch of that. The embargo.

1:04:37

Okay. This is inside baseball. Microsoft

1:04:39

surface duo. I talked about it

1:04:42

in the video. Did you? Yeah.

1:04:44

When I reviewed it. Famously. Very.

1:04:46

annoying embargo on this phone. I

1:04:48

think it has to be embargoed.

1:04:50

Well, phone, quote unquote phone. Yeah,

1:04:52

three, yeah, had like three embargoes.

1:04:54

We had an embargo where we

1:04:57

could show the hardware, but not

1:04:59

turn the screen on. And then

1:05:01

there was a separate embargo where

1:05:03

you could actually review the device.

1:05:05

I think it was like a

1:05:07

first impressions embargo and then the

1:05:09

full review embargo, which I think

1:05:12

the. second one you couldn't show

1:05:14

photos from it. There's like some

1:05:16

small things like that. Now, Apo

1:05:18

is obviously on the fifth version

1:05:20

of its fine-den devices. I seriously

1:05:22

doubt that them making it thinner

1:05:25

is going to make it as

1:05:27

buggy and horrible as the original

1:05:29

surface duo. So it's probably fine.

1:05:31

Yeah. But it always feels a

1:05:33

little bit weird. It is a

1:05:35

huge red flag. Yeah. When they're

1:05:37

like, you can show pictures of

1:05:40

the hardware, but not talk about

1:05:42

anything else. It is designed to

1:05:44

create. a wave of headlines in

1:05:46

one style before a wave of

1:05:48

headlines in another style. Yeah. The

1:05:50

first wave of headlines is this

1:05:53

is a very thin phone. Virge

1:05:55

brought up a good point too

1:05:57

that they were very specific in

1:05:59

calling it the world. thinness book

1:06:01

style foldable because yes while closed

1:06:03

it is still thinner than the

1:06:05

mate XT while open each individual

1:06:08

segment the mate XT is thinner

1:06:10

the triple fold phone the triple

1:06:12

fold yeah sorry wow so the

1:06:14

triple fold each one of those

1:06:16

slices is a little thinner but

1:06:18

I will say It

1:06:21

is thin. It is thin. Yeah, can

1:06:23

confirm it is thin. We're gonna have

1:06:25

the same conversation about the galaxy S25.

1:06:28

Slim Edge. Oh. Yeah, when the edge

1:06:30

comes out. Yeah, that's a weird thing

1:06:32

that's happening this year is like that

1:06:34

is happening. There's a rumor of the

1:06:36

iPhone 17 air happening and maybe one

1:06:39

or two other like ultra thin phones.

1:06:41

Yeah, which is funny because we just

1:06:43

finished talking about the pixel 9A being

1:06:45

like finally what we wanted a thicker

1:06:47

phone. Yeah. Assuming all these companies are

1:06:49

using the new battery cell technology that

1:06:52

allows you to pack more energy in

1:06:54

a smaller package, they're probably just making

1:06:56

thinner batteries that have the same amount

1:06:58

of capacity as existing phones, which is

1:07:00

not what we want. You want the

1:07:03

same size, but with better battery life.

1:07:05

Yes. See, Oppo, Find, or C, One

1:07:07

Plus, 13 review. Exactly. You say that,

1:07:09

but when this thin Samsung phone comes

1:07:11

out, I bet it's going to be

1:07:14

sick. Here's my question, because it sounds

1:07:16

like you're optimistic about that phone. I'm

1:07:18

very optimistic. Do you think this is

1:07:20

going to be priced ultra-high? No. You

1:07:22

don't think so? I don't think so.

1:07:24

Because the way they teased it and

1:07:27

they were like, this is going to

1:07:29

be an amazing phone, it's the edge,

1:07:31

and we're bringing it back. To me,

1:07:33

sounds like it's going to be an

1:07:35

$1,100 phone. I think it'll be 1100

1:07:38

I think it'll be like 900 something

1:07:40

like that because they're not saying it's

1:07:42

going to be like the ultra or

1:07:44

something you know like yeah it's not

1:07:46

like giving you any crazy performance it's

1:07:49

like you're getting this because it's thin

1:07:51

but where do you think so but

1:07:53

we don't think it's gonna be like

1:07:55

a $500 phone no I don't think

1:07:57

so do we think the iPhone 17

1:07:59

air will be in the iPhone Plus

1:08:02

category? I think it's in the Pro

1:08:04

Max category. I think so. I think

1:08:06

Apple, the way they operate, they're gonna

1:08:08

try to make this the exclusive interesting

1:08:10

one. And so it's gonna be the

1:08:13

one with the special battery technology developed

1:08:15

to be super thin. It's gonna be

1:08:17

the one with. you know, a couple

1:08:19

extra, you know, fun cooling bits that

1:08:21

they invented to make a phone this

1:08:23

then. I could see it going either

1:08:26

way because that's what they, that's the

1:08:28

approach they took with the iPad Pro.

1:08:30

They made it super thin. And they

1:08:32

were like, this is the thinnest iPad

1:08:34

Pro and it's awesome. Yeah. But I

1:08:37

could also see them being like, no,

1:08:39

if you want the Pro, get the

1:08:41

Pro. Like this is something else entirely.

1:08:43

Apple specifically the air has always been

1:08:45

less powerful. You're making sacrifices on performance

1:08:48

to have a thinner. If they call

1:08:50

it the area. If they call it

1:08:52

the air, that's it. Yeah, like the

1:08:54

Macbook. It would be dumb if they

1:08:56

didn't call it the air. It would

1:08:58

be dumb if they didn't call it

1:09:01

the air. They finally, they actually have

1:09:03

a good name for it. It's like,

1:09:05

yeah, edge also kind of works because

1:09:07

it's so thin. You could see it.

1:09:09

It's like. 25 plus screen size or

1:09:12

like 24 it looked like they had

1:09:14

so I mean I got to check

1:09:16

it out I didn't get the whole

1:09:18

other phones up to it but it

1:09:20

looked like as 25 plus sized. Yeah,

1:09:23

only dual cameras though instead of triple

1:09:25

cameras. I think S25 plus price but

1:09:27

with one less camera and some performance

1:09:29

sacrifices. But the same price because it's

1:09:31

thin. Yeah, because less cooling because they're

1:09:33

probably still going to have a snap

1:09:36

drag. They just have to fit more

1:09:38

in a tighter spot. So like it

1:09:40

almost makes me think of like as

1:09:42

20 FE kind of thing where it's

1:09:44

like what are some small sacrifices we

1:09:47

can make for something else. Right. Yeah,

1:09:49

it's like we're trying to think of

1:09:51

other devices that will be close to.

1:09:53

But I like how the opophone was

1:09:55

this boring that we are no talking

1:09:58

about. I was just going to say.

1:10:00

Let this be a lesson to all

1:10:02

future embargo. Why these embargoes are stupid?

1:10:04

Because we just spent this whole section

1:10:06

talking about a different problem. I mean,

1:10:08

they got their headline. They got their

1:10:11

headline on a bunch of websites. It's

1:10:13

the thinnest bookstoff, all the blah, blah,

1:10:15

blah, blah. Yeah, it'll come out later

1:10:17

this year. But the thinnest thing is

1:10:19

what we're like focusing. Do people want

1:10:22

a super thin phone? There's coming out

1:10:24

this year, we think. Do people want

1:10:26

them? And how bad do they want

1:10:28

them? Would they pay 900 bucks for

1:10:30

it? I would like to see the

1:10:33

thinnest books style foldable. That's what I

1:10:35

thought when he said that before. That

1:10:37

would be better. Book styles. He means

1:10:39

the E-clam shell? Yeah, the books. I'm

1:10:41

picturing like the iPhone 17 air. If

1:10:43

it's as thin as the edge, right?

1:10:46

Well, does it still have mag save?

1:10:48

So then you can like slap a

1:10:50

magnet. I mean, like a wallet on

1:10:52

there. Or at least it's a phone

1:10:54

that doesn't have mag safe. Right. Right.

1:10:57

You know, I feel like that's the

1:10:59

benefit. And you put it in a

1:11:01

case and now it's the same size

1:11:03

as a regular phone. That's what I

1:11:05

think. Oh yeah. In a case is

1:11:08

now the same size as a phone

1:11:10

without a case. They got to launch

1:11:12

this phone with like a super thin

1:11:14

case or something because it's going to

1:11:16

be really funny when people go wait

1:11:18

in line for it. Because it's going

1:11:21

to be really funny when people go

1:11:23

wait in line for it. It's going

1:11:25

to be really funny. I'm just saying

1:11:27

optimistic because I think these super thin

1:11:29

devices are actually going to be pretty

1:11:32

cool. Why? Because I think we haven't

1:11:34

explored that before. Well, we explored that

1:11:36

to failure before where like phones were

1:11:38

bad. Like the razor back in the

1:11:40

original, remember the, there's these two razors

1:11:43

that Motorola made. The original razor? Disgusting

1:11:45

within. No, Motorola. Oh, the razor edge.

1:11:47

The razor, is that what it was

1:11:49

called? They had those two modular phones,

1:11:51

the pins on the back, and they

1:11:53

were the thinnest ones I've ever seen.

1:11:56

And... terrible battery life, like not a

1:11:58

lot of great things about themselves. Well,

1:12:00

that's the thing if they suck, then

1:12:02

none of this matters. But if it's

1:12:04

like a decent phone, it feels like

1:12:07

this is maybe the first time that

1:12:09

the compute is mature enough to give

1:12:11

us razor-thin phones that don't suck. I'm

1:12:13

just curious to see whether something like

1:12:15

the pixel 9a going with a bigger

1:12:18

battery and slightly thicker is how that's

1:12:20

going to hold up overall with like

1:12:22

in the headspace of people compared to

1:12:24

something that's dropping. That's going to be

1:12:26

super thin. Yeah, dropping. I think it's

1:12:28

all going to be price-related. I think

1:12:31

that a phone is going to come

1:12:33

out, it's going to be 500 bucks,

1:12:35

and it's going to have an all-day

1:12:37

battery, and everyone's going to be like,

1:12:39

yes, that's good. And then this premium

1:12:42

phone is going to come out, that's

1:12:44

super thin, that has a worse battery,

1:12:46

and all the headlines are going to

1:12:48

be, no, this bad. I like the

1:12:50

two different directions we're going in though.

1:12:53

I'm curious to see what happens. I'm

1:12:55

realizing some of these directions that some

1:12:57

of these directions semi-lie lead to this

1:12:59

direction semi-lead to this headline to this

1:13:01

headline in this headline in this hack.

1:13:03

Really? Save the best for last. Is

1:13:06

this a segue? Unintentionally? Not really. I

1:13:08

just wanted to talk about the next

1:13:10

thing. iPhone, SC4, has leaked a lot.

1:13:12

Nice. Yeah, there's rumors about this one

1:13:14

too. iPhone? Yes, it's more than rumors

1:13:17

about this one, yeah. So, oh, there's

1:13:19

still the possibility. Mark German originally said

1:13:21

that it was going to come out

1:13:23

this week. We record on Wednesdays. If

1:13:25

we don't... No, no, he said this

1:13:27

morning it's next week now. There's still

1:13:30

the possibility. Mark German said this morning

1:13:32

it was going to come out next

1:13:34

week. Okay, I hope it's by Wednesday.

1:13:36

Anyway, this phone has leaked in full

1:13:38

many times over in very funny ways.

1:13:41

Spegan, I don't know if that's how

1:13:43

you pronounce the company's name. Yeah. But

1:13:45

they're a case company, they accidentally leaked

1:13:47

the entire design by putting the case

1:13:49

for it up for... sale temporarily, which

1:13:52

had photos of the phone in it.

1:13:54

So we basically know exactly what it

1:13:56

looks like, assuming that wasn't just a

1:13:58

placeholder. that speaking put online. But effectively,

1:14:00

this is the most Frankenstein looking iPhone

1:14:02

I think we've ever seen. Yeah, interesting.

1:14:05

It uses a ton of parts from

1:14:07

a ton of different generations of phone.

1:14:09

That's the first thing that struck me

1:14:11

is typically the iPhone SE has been,

1:14:13

and this isn't even that bad of

1:14:16

a thing, it's just what lets them

1:14:18

make it so cheap, but it's been

1:14:20

a parts bin phone. Right. Meaning, we put

1:14:22

this really, really fast chip from this

1:14:24

year's phone in this body from this

1:14:26

older iPhone. Yeah. Yeah, now it's cheaper,

1:14:28

great. And that means it has a

1:14:31

worse screen and a worse battery and

1:14:33

a single camera, but it's like, it's

1:14:35

a cheaper iPhone, so it's successful, and

1:14:37

it's fine. And this one looks like

1:14:39

it's not actually a previous body. Well,

1:14:41

in some ways, it's using a bunch

1:14:43

of parts from older phones. Like, it

1:14:45

has a notch, so there's no dynamic

1:14:47

island nestled in an oled display, so

1:14:49

it's kind of like an iPhone 13

1:14:51

kind of situation? The 13 have oled.

1:14:53

Yeah, yeah, or the pro. Or did

1:14:55

they all day? Oh, Edo lead. Yeah. Is

1:14:57

this not? I can't tell the sides of

1:15:00

it. It feels like a 10-R. I

1:15:02

think it's square. Is it square?

1:15:04

10-R was rounded. It was

1:15:06

rounded. But it was single. Oh

1:15:09

yeah, that does. It's more like

1:15:11

a iPhone 12. It's like, it's

1:15:13

similar to an iPhone 12 body.

1:15:15

The back kind of looks like

1:15:17

a 10-R color. Because it's a

1:15:19

singular camera. Yeah, a singular camera.

1:15:22

It has an action button. Oh,

1:15:24

I didn't notice that. Yeah, so

1:15:26

it's like updated to have the

1:15:29

action button. These are also all

1:15:31

alleged like the pixel 9a. Yeah.

1:15:33

Yes. It's got the 48 megapixel

1:15:36

rear camera and it has a

1:15:38

much bigger 3,299 million power battery

1:15:40

over the 2,000 million power battery

1:15:43

of the iPhone SE3. Apple A18

1:15:45

chipset and 8 gigabytes of RAM,

1:15:47

which suggests they are going to

1:15:50

add Apple intelligence. Uh, yeah. So

1:15:52

there was also a 10-second hands-on

1:15:54

video from this leaker that was

1:15:57

posted on X a couple weeks

1:15:59

ago. that shows it from basically

1:16:01

all angles. Oh, okay, yeah, this

1:16:04

changes. Yeah, what it looks like.

1:16:06

So yeah, it kind of looks

1:16:08

like an iPhone 12 mixed with

1:16:11

a bunch of extra parts. Yeah,

1:16:13

it looks nice. Oh man, we

1:16:15

haven't seen the notch in so

1:16:18

long. Yeah, I know. Also remember

1:16:20

the the iPhone SE was three

1:16:22

99 and then it was four

1:16:25

29. Right, the newest SC, well

1:16:27

at least at launch was a

1:16:29

little bit more expensive. Sorry. I'm

1:16:31

curious if the new new SC,

1:16:34

when it finally does come out,

1:16:36

will stale be? Because it's now

1:16:38

more RAM and maybe it's a

1:16:41

little bit less parts being, maybe

1:16:43

it's more expensive. They might do,

1:16:45

so yeah, it's 429, the iPhone,

1:16:48

SC3 is 429. Right. They might

1:16:50

do 499, because that's what Google

1:16:52

is selling, the pixel, the pixel

1:16:55

9A series, a, a pixel doing,

1:16:57

$500 dollars for that. Just because

1:16:59

it's using, and it's apparently going

1:17:01

to have an Oled screen instead

1:17:04

of that LCD one that they

1:17:06

had on the, but it's probably

1:17:08

going to be 60 hertz. Oh

1:17:11

yeah. It's Apple, of course, it's

1:17:13

going to be 60 hertz. 16,

1:17:15

it's still 60 hertz. Yeah, dang

1:17:18

it, okay. That would be wild.

1:17:20

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean,

1:17:22

we're expecting that to be pretty

1:17:25

soon. And again, by the time

1:17:27

you hear this, maybe we know

1:17:29

more, maybe not, who knows. another

1:17:31

alleged phone, phone, rumor mill, it's

1:17:34

happening. Very fun. I think that

1:17:36

the Rivian's gonna be a color.

1:17:38

Anyway. Some other Rivian did the

1:17:41

best teasing out of all. Yeah.

1:17:43

Good job, Rivian. If you are

1:17:45

listening to this podcast on your

1:17:48

date with your significant other, you're

1:17:50

a real one. Send us a

1:17:52

like and a tweet and a

1:17:55

comment. We've a blue sky. Take

1:17:57

your phone out on the date

1:17:59

and leave the comment. Sorry, sorry,

1:18:02

one second. Thank you. But if

1:18:04

you're not. We're about to do

1:18:06

trivia. Trivia, dude. So. Second question.

1:18:08

Please be something I know. In

1:18:11

honor of Ellis being back on

1:18:13

the pod, another Ellis style question.

1:18:15

Which of these is not a

1:18:18

real streaming service? A. Phoebe. B.

1:18:20

Acorn TV. C. Mooby. M-U-I-M-U-I-M-U-I-M-U-I-M-U-I-M-U-I-F-O-F-F-O-F-F-O-F-O-O-S-S-F-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S- E,

1:18:22

to be. Okay, I have a

1:18:25

logical answer. E, and a quote.

1:18:27

The Chick-fil-a streaming network. My logic

1:18:29

for this is, you know how,

1:18:32

like, every deity, like, ends in,

1:18:34

like, an ah sound. Like, ah,

1:18:36

like God, our law, or something

1:18:38

like that. All of these services

1:18:41

end in E, except for one.

1:18:43

So I'm going with the one

1:18:45

that doesn't end in E. Also,

1:18:48

doesn't God not end in, ah.

1:18:50

Vow, And I'm just going, oh,

1:18:52

one of them doesn't have E

1:18:55

at the end, so. Phoebe, movie,

1:18:57

Fubo, too beat. Yeah, the one

1:18:59

that's not E. Yeah, that's my

1:19:02

answer. Acorns. Acorns, Echorns. We will

1:19:04

think about this one. Anches at

1:19:06

the end like usual. We'll be

1:19:08

right back. I

1:19:22

can say to my new Samsung Galaxy

1:19:24

S-25 Ultra, I find a keto-friendly restaurant

1:19:26

nearby and text it to Beth and

1:19:28

Steve. And it does without me lifting

1:19:30

a finger. So I can get in

1:19:32

more squats anywhere I can. One, two,

1:19:34

three. Will that be cash or credit?

1:19:36

Credit, four. Galaxy S-25 Ultra.

1:19:38

The AI companion that does the

1:19:41

heavy lifting so you can do

1:19:43

you. Get yours at samsung.com. Compatible,

1:19:45

select Ash, Google Gemini, results may

1:19:47

very based on input check responses

1:19:50

for accuracy for accuracy. Trivia,

1:35:01

dude. But first, I just wanted

1:35:03

to say, as a follower of

1:35:06

Sports YouTube, one of the most

1:35:08

talented creators in that space, Kofi,

1:35:10

just left Vox slash. Yes, Kofi's.

1:35:13

He just left Vox slash Secret

1:35:15

Base. Oh, I saw that this

1:35:17

morning. He said he got laid

1:35:20

off very sad, but you should

1:35:22

go check out his channel and

1:35:24

support him in his solo venture

1:35:27

because if you even remotely like

1:35:29

sports, you will like that content.

1:35:31

Can you help? Can you spell

1:35:34

his name? Because I'm trying to

1:35:36

find it right now. I probably

1:35:38

should have done that first. His

1:35:41

name is spelled K-O-F-I-E. Kofi. You've

1:35:43

almost definitely seen him in a

1:35:45

secret base video or something in

1:35:48

the past, but talks about video

1:35:50

games, talks about sports, talks about

1:35:52

things that, it's one of those

1:35:55

YouTubeers where even if you don't

1:35:57

like sports, there's something for you.

1:36:00

You know, like, like me and

1:36:02

Bug, YouTube. Like, I don't like

1:36:04

bugs. But, did you see Ants

1:36:07

Canada connected all of his? Of

1:36:09

course. Okay. You haven't seen it

1:36:11

yet, but tell me about it

1:36:14

later. I want to hear what

1:36:16

happened. I have notifications on. I

1:36:18

need to know. I also just

1:36:21

want to say, now I'm just

1:36:23

riffing here, but whenever he builds

1:36:25

a new, like, terrarium aquarium, he,

1:36:28

like, has this community panel, channel,

1:36:30

vote thing to, like, decide the

1:36:32

name. And I wanted so bad

1:36:35

for him to name it. the

1:36:37

splash zone because it's an aquarium.

1:36:39

But alas, the splash zone did

1:36:42

not make it. Anyway, question number

1:36:44

one, I have four tech company.

1:36:46

I don't want to say startup

1:36:49

because the last time he's with

1:36:51

startup people got mad, but I

1:36:53

have four tech companies in front

1:36:56

of me. Adam hit that music.

1:36:58

A, skeo, sell subscriptions without ripping

1:37:00

your hair out. B, fruit. F-R-O-O-O-T,

1:37:03

swift conversion, automate legacy migration, ship

1:37:05

faster. C-K-K-E-A-K, we're automating conversion, excuse

1:37:08

me, we're automating conversion rate optimization,

1:37:10

Jesus. D-Cojo, giving Canadians the tools

1:37:12

and knowledge to make their money

1:37:15

grow. Also, S-K-O, S-K-I-O, S-S-O. We

1:37:17

all have a 25% chance of

1:37:19

getting that's right. Why? Because you

1:37:22

all know one of them is

1:37:24

real? No. Oh, and which one

1:37:26

is fake? That's... The three of

1:37:29

them are real, one of them

1:37:31

is fake. Wait, how did you

1:37:33

arrive at 25%? Because there's four

1:37:36

answers. And we're guessing. Wow. Don't

1:37:38

cut it. What a hang. You

1:37:40

made me think for a second.

1:37:43

I was like, I think that

1:37:45

works. I didn't try to. I

1:37:47

wouldn't even think it for a

1:37:50

lot longer than a second if

1:37:52

you guys were here. Anyway, flip

1:37:54

those boards. Out of your eye,

1:37:57

but remember that. Oh, all right.

1:37:59

Who would like to read their

1:38:01

answer? Markes and I wrote the

1:38:04

same thing. Which is a Gio.

1:38:06

A. Skeo is incorrect. Skeo is

1:38:09

a real company. It's a really

1:38:11

boring Twitter bio. It is. It

1:38:13

feels very made up. David put

1:38:16

B. And before I tell you

1:38:18

if you're right or wrong, David,

1:38:20

can you take me through your

1:38:23

thought process? What made you arrive

1:38:25

at B? What was B? It

1:38:27

sounded the most fake. Well, yeah,

1:38:30

which one was B? I don't

1:38:32

know. I really don't know. It

1:38:34

was like automate something. That was

1:38:37

C? Yeah, but I was... David,

1:38:39

you are correct. I made up

1:38:41

fruit. Oh fruit right yeah, I

1:38:44

was trying to I thought it

1:38:46

sounded too much like looped that

1:38:48

early Sam Altman company We don't

1:38:51

talk about that here. Yeah Also

1:38:53

yeah, it is looped. That's where

1:38:55

you had the dual collar at

1:38:58

WWDC Exactly It was the fruit

1:39:00

of the loom kind of oh

1:39:02

that was Sam Altman. Yeah, anyway

1:39:05

Congratulations, your point, David. I'm now

1:39:07

going to turn it over to

1:39:09

my colleagues. He's really running away

1:39:12

with him. I'm really getting away

1:39:14

with him. Is he more than

1:39:17

Marquez and I combine? We're about

1:39:19

to find out, quick update on

1:39:21

the score, Marquez with five. Not

1:39:24

only is he more than you

1:39:26

and Marquez combined, but Andrew, we

1:39:28

could double your score, and it's

1:39:31

two. And after that point, David,

1:39:33

running away with it with nine.

1:39:35

But it's okay, because none of

1:39:38

the points matter when we get

1:39:40

to Trippy extravigan. I'm sorry. Dude,

1:39:42

this is insane. There's a heater.

1:39:45

Yeah, but I've lost every Trippy

1:39:47

Extrabigu. Not this season. All right,

1:39:49

question number two. Which one of

1:39:52

the following is not a streaming

1:39:54

service? A, Phoebe, F-I-I-I-B-I-I-B-I-I-I-I-Corn TV. C.

1:39:56

Mooby. M-U-B-I. D. Fubo. F-U-B-O. Or

1:39:59

E. To-B. T-U-B-I. This is

1:40:01

so hard because we joke about

1:40:03

these. I just make them up

1:40:06

so often that I don't know

1:40:08

which ones are real anymore. Yep,

1:40:10

exactly. I already forgot all of

1:40:13

them. All right, flip them and

1:40:15

read. What do you got? David

1:40:17

and I have the same one. A.

1:40:19

P-B. Yeah. Correct. I almost. Mark

1:40:21

has what you put. He

1:40:24

put Acorn. I put C. Which

1:40:26

is a movie. A movie. A

1:40:28

movie. Sorry. It's like a criterion

1:40:30

collection competitor. What? Don't know what

1:40:33

any of that means. They're sort

1:40:35

of like trying to split the

1:40:37

difference between being an actual film

1:40:39

distro company and being a streaming

1:40:42

service. Yeah. Grand Theft Hamlet

1:40:44

is distributed. A movie production.

1:40:47

And you'll be able to stream it

1:40:49

there? I don't know. And Phoebe makes

1:40:51

Tubo. Which is the broadcast

1:40:53

arm of Grubbed Up. Of

1:40:56

Grub Hub. Oh my gosh.

1:40:58

Which is all owned by

1:41:00

the Shine Heartwood Corporation. Which

1:41:02

is all owned by Black

1:41:04

Rock. Which is all owned

1:41:06

by Black Rock. Which is

1:41:08

all owned by Alphabet. Yeah.

1:41:10

Well, we tried. We tried

1:41:12

to answer them correctly. Some

1:41:14

of us got some right.

1:41:16

Some of us didn't. Thanks

1:41:18

for watching. Next week, probably not headlines in

1:41:20

a hat. Actually, I can't guarantee that. There

1:41:23

may be more headlines in more hats, but

1:41:25

there will be more headlines for sure. The

1:41:27

hat, TPD. See you guys next week. Peace.

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