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Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so speaking of switch

2:44

two, the situation around pre-orders with it

2:46

is a thing that's rapidly evolving and

2:48

interesting and that's what we're talking about.

2:50

As of right now, the pre-order is

2:53

delayed in the US. It's still set

2:55

to launch on June 5th, but pre-order

2:57

is now going to be pushed back

2:59

a bit, potentially to still start shipping

3:01

immediately. And that's because tariffs, lots of

3:04

fun things happening with the state of

3:06

the economy, we figured we might as

3:08

well at least acknowledge tariffs and what

3:10

they are and what that means, because

3:13

I think during this entire calendar year

3:15

and probably beyond. We're going to have

3:17

many more conversations about the price of

3:19

the gadgets that we're talking about and

3:21

how they are affected by tariffs and

3:24

many other things with the environment. So

3:26

here's what a tariff is, at least

3:28

how I understand it. And then we

3:30

can go straight to the prices of

3:33

things. A tariff is a specific lever

3:35

that can be pulled by a politician

3:37

that will essentially be a tax on

3:39

a good that is imported into the

3:41

country. So for the United States, for

3:44

example. Lots of things that we buy

3:46

are manufactured outside of the United States.

3:48

And so if you're a politician here

3:50

and you want to encourage more U.S.

3:52

manufacturers... or you want to encourage more

3:55

people to buy from US suppliers, then

3:57

what you'll actually do is add a

3:59

certain percentage of a penalty for buying

4:01

from someone outside the US. So let's

4:04

say US supplier costs $10. China supplier

4:06

costs $5. I add large tariff to

4:08

China so that when you buy China

4:10

product, it's actually more expensive than the

4:12

US. Now I'll switch to US supplier.

4:15

That's the goal. of a tariff. It's

4:17

way more complicated than that. Building manufacturing

4:19

facilities in the US is very complicated.

4:21

There's a lot more to it than

4:23

that, but that's basically what is happening

4:26

in the world of electronics, where now,

4:28

if you look at, say, the iPhone,

4:30

you might have seen some articles about

4:32

the iPhone's price potentially going up. It

4:35

won't be $3,000, by the way. That

4:37

is fear-monger. Yeah, but the idea is

4:39

lots of parts and assembly happen overseas,

4:41

and so lots of those things will

4:43

cost more, and since there is no

4:46

readily available US equivalent manufacturing, the only

4:48

choice is the price will have to

4:50

go up, or maybe they eat into

4:52

their margins, etc., etc., etc. So the

4:54

switch to was affected by this. I

4:57

think the headline that I saw is

4:59

that... The price of the switch to

5:01

as it exists does not account for

5:03

tariffs, but we don't expect the price

5:06

to change. We're not sure yet. I

5:08

think that the reason that, so Doug

5:10

Bouser, the CEO of Nintendo of America,

5:12

an incredible name. I know. It does

5:14

not have anything to do. No, it

5:17

does not. It's just pure coincidence. It's

5:19

like Tiger Woods being a golfer. Like

5:21

you don't want. to be in the

5:23

woods in golf, but like his name

5:26

is Woods. Like there's lots of great

5:28

last names and lots of good opposite

5:30

lines. There's a disc golf where the

5:32

first name Eagle and in Golf scoring,

5:34

it's great, but I feel like that's

5:37

a lot of pressure. That's true. Eagle

5:39

gets an eagle. Anyway, Bowser is a

5:41

villain, but also the CEO who is

5:43

maybe the villain, but probably not, I

5:45

don't know. no opinion on Doug Bows

5:48

or the CEO. Regardless, he went on

5:50

a bunch of podcast stuff and some

5:52

interviews and he basically said the price

5:54

of the switch to that is $450

5:57

is what we thought it was worth.

5:59

That did not account for tariffs. And

6:01

so while we are, you know, we

6:03

are assessing the situation in the United

6:05

States and that is why we are

6:08

delaying the pre-orders. They did not say

6:10

the... They didn't say the price won't

6:12

change, and I think that's the reason

6:14

they're delaying the pre-orders is because they

6:16

need to assess if they need to

6:19

change the price. And the timeline of

6:21

this is April 2nd, the announcement happens,

6:23

right? Yeah. They announced the price. That

6:25

night is when we see the numbers

6:28

of tariffs. And then... Within that week

6:30

we got the delay for the April

6:32

9th US pre-orders. Yeah, it was within

6:34

two days I think it was in

6:36

two days from then so the problem

6:39

is that a lot of the regions

6:41

where Nintendo manufactures the switch are being

6:43

hit very very hard with tariffs They

6:45

manufacture a lot of them in Vietnam

6:47

and also in China. Vietnam's getting hit

6:50

with like a very large 46% tariff.

6:52

China's getting hit with a 34% tariff.

6:54

At the time of recording. Because, because

6:56

later in the episode we'll talk about

6:59

TikTok. That sort of changed things and

7:01

then they pull out of a TikTok

7:03

deal and that made the government say,

7:05

maybe we'll. at an additional 50% to

7:07

China. So Nintendo really doesn't know what

7:10

they can do right now. Yeah. Nintendo

7:12

is just in this very nebulous space

7:14

where they're like, we literally have no,

7:16

because they don't, they might lose a

7:19

ton of money on the switch to

7:21

if they sell it for that price.

7:23

Yeah. Doug Bouser had also mentioned in

7:25

this interview that I watched, I believe

7:27

with CNBC, that they already have a

7:30

lot of switch twos in the United

7:32

States. So luckily. It seems like they

7:34

probably could release it at the normal

7:36

price, but the problem would be once.

7:38

they start running more in the United

7:41

States that could be a problem and

7:43

they don't want to like release a

7:45

bunch at 450 and then increase the

7:47

price later so it's just it's forever

7:50

changing and by the tennis comes out

7:52

on Friday yeah we might have more

7:54

information so yeah it's like the first

7:56

reaction we saw because of the timing

7:58

right in the tech world it feels

8:01

like the first it's not a price

8:03

change yet yeah but it's a direct

8:05

reaction to what happened because of the

8:07

timing and yeah we don't really know

8:09

that's going to be. Yeah, we were

8:12

talking about this before, like if you're,

8:14

like this is going to happen way

8:16

more during the year. Lots of gadgets

8:18

are going to come out and we'll

8:21

have to, I think we're going to

8:23

have to speculate about if tariffs were

8:25

included in pricing. He said they were

8:27

not. He in this, but in the

8:29

future now that like we know there's

8:32

some volatility here, like I don't know.

8:34

I think in general. We never hear

8:36

from the company about why they chose

8:38

a price for something. So there are

8:40

lots of economic conditions and suppliers and

8:43

margins and things that they keep in

8:45

mind when setting a price for something.

8:47

And this tariff stuff is another one

8:49

of those variables. But we never hear

8:52

from the company about why they pick

8:54

the price. So I think that's going

8:56

to continue to be true. I don't

8:58

imagine any company is going to go,

9:00

here's our new price. It's higher because

9:03

of tariffs. I don't think they're going

9:05

to be able to say that because

9:07

they never want to change their price.

9:09

They just want to hopefully predict the

9:12

future enough to factor in enough margin.

9:14

to be okay if the tariffs change.

9:16

I feel like they could say that

9:18

because they are not the government of

9:20

the country. I thought about that, like

9:23

it kind of takes it off your

9:25

shoulders, but then if tariffs go away,

9:27

you're expected to lower the price. And

9:29

that will never happen? Yeah, that's pretty

9:31

much what happened with, yeah, and I'm

9:34

not going to get it. Okay, yeah.

9:36

So anyway, uh... Yeah, well, speaking of

9:38

the price of things and them not

9:40

saying generally why they picked the price

9:43

they did, in the same interview that

9:45

I watched, they asked why Mario Kart.

9:47

was $80. So this is something that

9:49

we didn't cover. Actually, I think last

9:51

week I was like a $60 game

9:54

because we didn't know a lot of

9:56

these games are now $80. Mario Kart

9:58

World is $80. The new Donkey Kong

10:00

game is going to be $70. And

10:02

the interviewer asked why is this game

10:05

$80 and Donkey Kong $70? How are

10:07

you thinking about this? And Doug said,

10:09

it depends on the value of the

10:11

game and how much value we think

10:14

the user is going to get out

10:16

of the game. translation. I think we

10:18

can get away with charging this much.

10:20

Yeah, I mean I think that they

10:22

know that Mario Cart is like the

10:25

console seller and it's going to be

10:27

a pack-in game so it's $50 extra

10:29

for Mario Cart if you buy the

10:31

bundle. So... It does seem like there's

10:33

going to be, there's been a lot

10:36

of controversy around these game prices. Yeah,

10:38

well, yeah, he called it variable pricing

10:40

and that games with like extra depth

10:42

and replayability would be more expensive and

10:45

that they'll judge it game by game,

10:47

which I can guarantee you whatever Zelda

10:49

game comes out next will be $80.

10:51

Oh yeah. They also, so one thing

10:53

we did do an insert in last

10:56

week because there was this story that

10:58

came out about. Digital games being $80

11:00

and then a physical copy being $90?

11:02

It seems like no one knows where

11:05

that came from and it seems like

11:07

I don't think there's gonna be a

11:09

price difference between physical But we also

11:11

want to talk about the difference in

11:13

what physical games are now. Yeah, because

11:16

they're not really there are no physical

11:18

games Yeah, so physical cards is still

11:20

kind of up in the air because

11:22

Some games the physical card isn't the

11:24

physical card that we all know. It's

11:27

actually like Digital key so when you

11:29

plug it into your switch it actually

11:31

downloads the game online and then in

11:33

order to play the game the key

11:36

or cartridge must be put in the

11:38

switch Yeah, there's This is weird. It's

11:40

different. There are some benefits to it

11:42

though that I didn't account for it.

11:44

And there's definitely some drawbacks to this.

11:47

I think the obvious drawback is what

11:49

do we own anymore? This is not

11:51

a physical thing anymore. If I want

11:53

to play my switch to in 15

11:55

years when the servers are off line.

11:58

This is the thing I see your

12:00

face Mark has and I see why

12:02

you're like, I don't understand what this

12:04

matters. In 15 to 20 years, 30

12:07

years when Nintendo decides to turn these

12:09

servers off. All of a sudden, you

12:11

can't sell this, you can't like give

12:13

this to someone and have them put

12:15

it in a switch too. Okay, we're

12:18

playing. I have a couple logical questions

12:20

then. Sure. So you're buying a cartridge

12:22

which is a key that you plug

12:24

into the switch and then you download.

12:26

Does that mean some of the game

12:29

is on the cartridge or none of

12:31

it and you still download the entire

12:33

game? The ones where it's just the

12:35

key, it's not on the cartridge. put

12:38

the key card in the switch and

12:40

then download the entire game. Yes. And

12:42

then is that a one-time download? So

12:44

then you don't have to be online.

12:46

You can plug in the key and

12:49

play because you have to download it.

12:51

Yeah. Okay. And then so transferring it,

12:53

if I wanted to unplug that key

12:55

and plug it into a different, like

12:58

I get a new switch. Then it

13:00

wouldn't work if the servers were down.

13:02

But what's interesting about this is if

13:04

you, let's say you buy. NBA2K because

13:06

that's a game you would buy. And

13:09

you're like done playing it or your

13:11

friend wants to play it. You can

13:13

give them that key. They'll have to

13:15

download the game, but now they can

13:17

play it for a while. Or you

13:20

can sell your cards. Like if you

13:22

play a game, finish it. You can

13:24

sell the game on Facebook Marketplace, where

13:26

if you only do the digital download,

13:29

you can't do that because it's connected

13:31

to your account. But then Marquez can

13:33

no longer play it anymore. Even though

13:35

it's downloaded to your device, because you

13:37

don't have the cartridge. Because I don't

13:40

have the cartridge. So it acts exactly

13:42

like a physical key. Far in the

13:44

future until yeah until Sunday. Maybe they

13:46

shut everything down the other super niche

13:48

thing would be like if you're on

13:51

a road trip or on an airplane

13:53

and David's got the new Zelda game

13:55

and he's not playing it. I'm like,

13:57

oh, yo, can I play that? And

14:00

I grab it. I'm offline. So offline

14:02

install is the hit. Yeah, that part

14:04

sucks. That makes sense. And it just

14:06

takes memory away from your internal storage.

14:08

Because it's the regular fully developed card,

14:11

you're not taking away storage on it.

14:13

Which, it's more storage, but I'm sure

14:15

everyone will hit that storage. Yeah, I

14:17

read that they did this because there

14:19

are some games that are just too

14:22

big for the storage of the cartridge

14:24

and they wanted to allow more third

14:26

parties that had bigger, harder core games

14:28

with more assets to fit on there,

14:31

especially because it's higher fidelity, it's a

14:33

much faster processor, console, like PC games

14:35

are like huge now. This is part

14:37

of my speculation because I have a

14:39

switch one and switch one games were

14:42

small enough that I could fit a

14:44

few games on the local memory before

14:46

needing an external card and my biggest

14:48

game was 16 gigs and now we're

14:51

seeing like switch two with high resolution

14:53

more textures and bigger assets is probably

14:55

gonna be like 64 gigs plus for

14:57

a single game so I could see

14:59

that actually happening. Great point. Thank you.

15:02

I thought about it for a while.

15:05

Nice. Those, I think those are the

15:08

bigger updates, but we also have like

15:10

10 quick hit updates that also came

15:12

out. Want to go through them with

15:14

me, David? Yeah, let's do it. Rapid

15:16

Fire. Okay. So remember the pack-in game,

15:18

switch to, what is it called? Switch

15:20

to the tutorial. It's the tutorial game.

15:23

It's anyway, it's the tutorial game that

15:25

teaches you about the switch 2 and

15:27

you get to walk around it and

15:29

whatever. We were, we found out it

15:31

was a paid game, which we did

15:33

comment on last week and said that's

15:36

ridiculous. We didn't know how much it

15:38

was. It has been verified. It is

15:40

$10. Welcome tour. Switch 2, $10. What?

15:42

We also found out most of the

15:44

upgrade packs to upgrade things from switch

15:46

1 to switch 2 additions are 10

15:49

bucks. Yeah. haven't seen a switch one

15:51

game and switch two game on the

15:53

same switch two to decide if there's

15:55

a big enough difference. It's also not

15:57

always about fidelity like the Legend of

15:59

Zelda games they are mostly fidelity and

16:02

then you get this app where you

16:04

can do other stuff in the app

16:06

and there's you know whatever. Oh wait

16:08

I have a stupid question about this

16:10

what the update thing that is free

16:12

though I believe. Does that mean that

16:15

I can't play my original? game if

16:17

I have it? No, you can. You

16:19

can't. It's just that it's lower resolution.

16:21

Yeah, so it depends. So the Zelda

16:23

game is mostly about fidelity. You're paying

16:25

$10 to make it more pretty, which

16:27

is kind of ridiculous. I don't know.

16:30

The Kirby game that's being updated. they're

16:32

adding an additional big level to it.

16:34

So they did add content to it.

16:36

So it's DLC. So that's arguably valuable.

16:38

Sure. It's different on every game, which

16:40

is just confusing. There's so many things

16:43

about this launch. that are like, oh,

16:45

in this case, it's this, but in

16:47

this case, it's this. And there's just

16:49

no through line for anything regarding pricing,

16:51

regarding what the updates do, regarding any

16:53

of this. That's why we're doing like

16:56

a half an hour update. Yeah. An

16:58

episode later. Give them a break. They

17:00

only had eight years to work on.

17:02

Yeah. The new joy cons are not

17:04

hall effect joy cons. We were really

17:06

hoping they would be because that would

17:09

have fixed all the drift issues. They

17:11

said that they re-engineered them from the

17:13

ground up, and I'm imagining that Nintendo

17:15

definitely knows that the drift was a

17:17

problem, whether or not they cared, because

17:19

they could just sell new joy cons

17:21

for $60. I'm not sure. These now

17:24

cost $80. So, you know, I don't

17:26

know, but we'll see. Okay. Okay, so

17:28

it says... The port on the top

17:30

cannot transfer data, only charge the console?

17:32

Yeah, so they add an additional USBC

17:34

port to the console, which I was

17:37

extremely excited about, specifically for charging, to

17:39

be fair. But apparently people were excited

17:41

because they were like, oh, people could

17:43

just make new docks that can make

17:45

the switch go in sideways, and it'll

17:47

take up less horizontal space. could be

17:50

interesting but no it doesn't output video

17:52

so it can only charge it from

17:54

the camera still connects to it though

17:56

correct so it can I have not

17:58

seen that yet well that show it

18:00

in all the video in the launch

18:03

in the launch they show that so

18:05

it does transfer data I guess it

18:07

does but I guess but it doesn't

18:09

do dock data I guess it doesn't

18:11

do you can't dock it from the

18:13

time only video in video in video

18:15

in interesting which seems like a thing

18:18

that they did on purpose wow But

18:20

anyway, okay, cool. Did you see this?

18:22

Yeah, yeah. Wait, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

18:24

okay, read it. What? I know, it's

18:26

so funny, I didn't want to say

18:28

it this morning. Okay, you probably saw

18:31

that there is the switch camera that's

18:33

coming out that's in the shape of

18:35

a pirana plant. Awesome. It only does

18:37

480P versus the Nintendo edition camera that

18:39

does 1080P. Yep. So that really sick

18:41

piranha plant camera. It's like, I think

18:44

actually what's cool about it is the

18:46

plant is USPC. So I'm assuming you

18:48

can plug it into the switch by

18:50

itself or it has the little stands.

18:52

That's like the tunnel. So it's 480.

18:54

Like the normal camera. Nostalgia must eventually

18:57

come to an end. I bet people

18:59

will buy that camera. Put it next

19:01

to their switch and then also by

19:03

the real camera to have 10 80.

19:05

Okay, but also I did read you

19:07

can use any USBC webcam as well.

19:10

Really? Okay, that's awesome. Yeah, so everything

19:12

about this is like, wow, yay, wow,

19:14

oh, yay, oh, it's everything. It's everything.

19:16

They did, Nintendo did respond about the

19:18

choppy playback for shared screens that we

19:20

saw and. I appreciated their honesty in

19:22

the sense of them. They basically said,

19:25

like, listen, we'd much rather the majority

19:27

of resources go to gaming. Like, not

19:29

only does it help with the games

19:31

that are being played, but like more

19:33

games are gonna come out in the

19:35

future and they're gonna be more resource

19:38

intensive. So let's just make sure we're

19:40

using the minimal amount for the act.

19:42

game share or not game share the

19:44

like gameplay footage social aspect of it

19:46

which I agree with that's more of

19:48

a social thing it's to kind of

19:51

see what's going on I do think

19:53

like they showed some scenes where they

19:55

were watching another person play the game

19:57

and sort of helping them go through

19:59

it I think what they should do

20:01

is whatever is the primary screen they

20:04

should devote most of the bandwidth I

20:06

think that's fair yeah but they didn't

20:08

do that which was weird so oh

20:10

I wanted to say one more thing

20:12

which is just I found this really

20:14

interesting but uh So like the old

20:16

JoyCon bumper, when you split the JoyCon,

20:19

the old bumper was like literally the

20:21

worst thing in the world. It was

20:23

like really rattly and you could put

20:25

it on backwards and get it stuck

20:27

and it sucked. The new JoyCon, it

20:29

still has a bumper because it wants

20:32

to add the wrist strap. But since

20:34

they made the buttons so much better,

20:36

it actually now the buttons still like

20:38

pressed through the new bumper. And it's

20:40

just this really simple, like, I think

20:42

there's a small. hook on the bottom

20:45

of it, but Mark has us some

20:47

footage we can put it on the

20:49

video here. I don't think we included

20:51

it in the first impressions. I thought

20:53

that was awesome though. Seems better. And

20:55

it also puts like little tiny mouse

20:58

pad feet on it. So when you

21:00

do the mouse thing, that's also on

21:02

the bumper. Oh, you probably can't do

21:04

the mouse without that? Yeah. Because it

21:06

wouldn't really be as flat of a

21:08

circuit. It creates a flat bottom for

21:10

it. Yeah. Cool. So yeah. I have

21:13

a hot take. Basically, I think that

21:15

this console was developed during COVID because

21:17

everything about it is like the social

21:19

features are such a core part of

21:21

it. The camera, the cutouts, the like

21:23

trying to make it feel like you're

21:26

more in a room. Like switch one,

21:28

all of the advertising was like teens

21:30

hanging out on a roof playing switch

21:32

together. Yeah, I think that I've said

21:34

this about a lot of phones. in

21:36

the past, but it's also probably true

21:39

of this. The second generation of a

21:41

product is always the most interesting because

21:43

it teaches you everything that company learned

21:45

from the first generation. So like when

21:47

we got the first generation Apple Watch

21:49

or the first. generation iPad, they kind

21:52

of thought it would be one thing,

21:54

and then they put it out into

21:56

the world, they saw how people use

21:58

it, and they went, oh, okay, we

22:00

can capitalize and make things for this

22:02

exact group of people. So obviously the

22:05

first switch came out in, I think,

22:07

2017, pre-covid, and they had a lot

22:09

of ideas about how people would use

22:11

it. Now, they have the data, and

22:13

they've seen how people have used it.

22:15

COVID happened during that time. So now

22:17

a lot of the switched use is

22:20

probably different from what they imagined in

22:22

those first ads. And they are adjusting

22:24

to the usage numbers? Or they had

22:26

three years of development during COVID, where

22:28

they thought this is what we should

22:30

prioritize. I think it's a good point,

22:33

too, because so many people saw that

22:35

and they're like, why is anyone excited?

22:37

We've had discord forever, but. I don't

22:39

compare this to Discord. I compare this

22:41

specifically to being on Zoom calls with

22:43

friends playing Mario Cart. Like, it's a

22:46

lot different. I get to see my

22:48

friends, which is different than Discord. I

22:50

mean, you can do that and you

22:52

can share screens way more of just

22:54

voice. So this is voice and seeing,

22:56

it's so much more casual. And don't

22:59

get me wrong, like, I'm super glad

23:01

they added these features regardless, but the

23:03

battery life is also notably worse than

23:05

the Oled model. I think the quoted

23:07

battery life was two and a two

23:09

and a two and a two and

23:11

a two and a half to six

23:14

hours. Was the Oled model was like

23:16

four and a half to eight or

23:18

something like that? So I don't know.

23:20

I mean playing it handheld obviously is

23:22

better better with the bigger screen. That's

23:24

cool. I kind of wonder like the

23:27

percentage like it is a switch The

23:29

whole point is to be able to

23:31

use it handheld or in a dock.

23:33

I kind of wonder like what fraction

23:35

of people have a switch Mostly docked

23:37

versus mostly handheld. I play almost exclusively

23:40

handheld. So that's same. Yeah, I travel

23:42

with it. I use it That's the

23:44

only thing I use it for. Yeah,

23:46

I think if you're doing it in

23:48

the like social camera scenario though, you're

23:50

probably playing a docked because exactly probably

23:53

need the camera set up on something.

23:55

If I only watch the videos. Or

23:57

at least they did through 2020 through

23:59

2023. Maybe that's I don't know. It's

24:01

interesting. So yeah, I think that is

24:03

all we have so far for switch

24:05

updates. Breaking news, switch two canceled. Wow.

24:08

This is the switch two podcast after

24:10

all. So we will be back with

24:12

your rapid fire updates every week until

24:14

June 5th, obviously. That's just how this

24:16

is going to go. And probably after.

24:18

Yeah. But yeah, I think that's a

24:21

perfect place to take a quick break.

24:23

We got much more to talk about.

24:25

And so trivia. All

24:30

right, this one's a little

24:32

bit of a little bit

24:34

of a little little little

24:37

explaining So let me let

24:39

me get it. So earlier

24:41

we mentioned Doug Bouser Whose

24:44

name is an example of

24:46

this hypothesis called nominative determinism

24:48

Wait, wait his name? His

24:51

name, Doug Bouser. Oh, yeah,

24:53

yeah, okay. It's a, it's

24:55

a, it's a hypothesis, sociological

24:58

hypothesis that people choose careers

25:00

that fit well with their

25:02

name. Oh, wow. Not proven

25:05

or disproven, but these names

25:07

that fit well are called

25:09

aptonyms. Doug Bouser, according to

25:12

Wikipedia, is actually an inapp,

25:14

in a, in aptor, because

25:16

he's the villain of the

25:19

Mario thing, but I have

25:21

before me four me four.

25:23

I made up. I can

25:25

already tell this is probably

25:28

your favorite question you created.

25:30

Are you ready? Yes, I

25:32

love this. All right, number

25:35

one, emeritus professor of psychiatry

25:37

at Zurich University, Jewels, angst.

25:39

Be American ornithologist and program

25:42

manager for feather identification in

25:44

the Division of Birds at

25:46

the National Museum of Natural

25:49

History, Carla Dove. C. 1984

25:51

Olympic gold medalist swimmer Jeff

25:53

Flote. D. Current host of

25:56

the show The View. Sunny

25:58

Hosten. Or E. These are

26:00

all real, baby. Wow. Wow.

26:03

When I was, when I

26:05

took drum lessons in high

26:07

school, my drum teacher was

26:10

named John Bassa, like bass

26:12

drum, VASA. See? There's so

26:14

many good examples of this.

26:17

Yeah. I pulled these best

26:19

ones from a ginormous list.

26:21

Really? Yeah, this really does

26:24

happen. I mean... You saying

26:26

Bolt is probably the top

26:28

list. Yeah, you saying Bolt.

26:31

I found a composer named

26:33

David W. Music? No. No.

26:35

That's too easy. That's too

26:38

easy. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

26:40

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, okay. I

26:42

don't know any of those

26:45

people you names. So I...

26:47

Wait, wait, I'm sorry. This

26:49

one is real. It's not

26:51

part of it. But one

26:54

of the guys who worked

26:56

on the Transcontinental Railroad. Perfect.

26:58

Perfect. Well, I, yeah, I

27:01

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27:03

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27:05

I hope they're all real

27:08

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30:14

am holding a Nintendo Switch 2 and

30:16

by Nintendo Switch 2, I mean an

30:18

Oppo Find X8 Ultra. What's the difference?

30:21

Yeah. Audio Listeners really just got excited.

30:23

Yeah, sorry for the jumpscare audio listeners.

30:25

No, this is a, so this one

30:28

came out or was announced this week.

30:30

I dropped my, by the time the

30:32

podcast goes out, my first impressions video,

30:35

this phone is also out. But it

30:37

kind of came out of left field

30:39

because we've had the X8 series going

30:42

for a while and the X8 pros

30:44

already really good phone. This phone comes

30:46

out. I didn't really have plans for

30:49

it. It shows up. The spec sheet

30:51

blows my mind. Unbelievable spec sheet. From

30:53

top to bottom, literally the best available

30:56

spec other than I think refresh rate

30:58

because it has 120 hertz LTP. Maybe

31:00

it could have been the 165 hertz

31:03

from the ROG phone. But everything else

31:05

about it. 6,100 million hour silicon carbon

31:07

battery, great haptics, IP68, IP69, a terabyte

31:10

of storage, 16 gigs of RAM, like

31:12

you name a stat, it's got it,

31:14

1440p, super bright, and then the camera

31:17

sensors, which are kind of the main

31:19

draw of these phones, one inch type

31:21

sensor for the primary camera, 50 megapicals.

31:23

And then it has a 3X camera,

31:26

which is a absolutely massive sensor and

31:28

is basically the same size as a

31:30

primary camera on a lot of phones.

31:33

Then there is a 6X tele photo,

31:35

there's an ultra wide, there's a chroma

31:37

sensor for white balance, it is loaded.

31:40

This camera. is ungodly good. It is

31:42

great. This is possibly the best phone

31:44

camera. Markaz, is this everything that you

31:47

mentioned that every phone is gonna have

31:49

this year? So the big hits, yes,

31:51

it hits all the three, the big

31:54

three of phones having the thing that

31:56

we thought they were gonna have this

31:58

year. One, Snapchat and Eat Elite. Two,

32:01

really really bright display. Three, Silicon Carbon

32:03

Battery. It has all of those. And

32:05

it has like maxed out everything else.

32:08

Oh, that picture you just took. Fire,

32:10

that's tough. That's a tough look for

32:12

me. But it's really impressive. And I

32:15

think, so I ended up making a

32:17

video on it, not expecting to, until

32:19

we got it in the hand, but

32:22

I'm impressed. Can I ask the least

32:24

interesting question possible? Yes. Okay, I've seen

32:26

this with a couple other phones, and

32:29

I remember bringing it up when we

32:31

were fact checking a video once, but

32:33

why are phones now saying like it's

32:36

IP68 and IP69? I don't know, I

32:38

thought it was pretty intuitive that if

32:40

a phone would pass IP 68, then

32:43

it would also pass everything below it.

32:45

But technically, they don't have to test

32:47

everything below it. So if you'd pay

32:50

for the IP 68 and the IP

32:52

69 test, maybe you feel obligated to

32:54

say both of them. But yeah, IP

32:56

69 is not just submersion, but like.

32:59

high pressure, high or low temperature water

33:01

jets. It'll survive that too. Something I

33:03

want to note here, they copy camera

33:06

control. Oh, they? Okay, it's a whole

33:08

section in this video. Yeah. And maybe

33:10

I haven't said it on the podcast

33:13

before, but Apo with ColorOS is so

33:15

shameless about copying many, many, many things

33:17

from the iPhone, from Dynamic Island, to

33:20

open the Settings app. And tell me

33:22

that's not just the iPhone settings. The

33:24

dynamic island is so good though. The

33:27

dynamic island they've copied, live activities they've

33:29

copied, hit that, see that button on

33:31

the side on the top left of

33:34

the phone. Okay. Hold that down. It's

33:36

exactly the action button from the iPhone.

33:38

And it has the, yeah, the dynamic

33:41

button looks the same. Now on the

33:43

right side of the phone you see

33:45

that little. flat area. It's literally camera

33:48

control. So if you open the camera

33:50

and slide your finger along that area,

33:52

or yeah, double tap opens the camera,

33:55

slide up and down, it zooms in

33:57

and out, they've copied camera control. It

33:59

literally looks the same. If you bolded

34:02

it. Oh my God. Yeah. So they've

34:04

obviously taken a lot of inspiration. The

34:06

settings app, the settings for that action

34:09

button, or I mean, quick button. It

34:11

looks exactly the same as the same

34:13

as the iPhone. I ended up. kind

34:16

of remembering that obviously all the other

34:18

markets that aren't the US where people

34:20

just buy the phone based on whatever

34:23

has the best specs and seems like

34:25

the best value. It kind of works

34:27

for them to just just embrace the

34:30

other features of other phones that work

34:32

well and if you have all the

34:34

features then people are more likely to

34:36

buy your thing. Like if I like

34:39

Dynamic Island on the iPhone. Okay, now

34:41

here's another phone with Dynamic Island. Yeah,

34:43

you know, something I want to note

34:46

about the camera, usually when you zoom

34:48

in like a ton, what happens is

34:50

it looks really soft and then you

34:53

click the shutter button and then a

34:55

few seconds of processing goes by and

34:57

then it looks really over sharpened just

35:00

because they want to like bring out

35:02

all the detail. But on this phone,

35:04

even when you use like an insane

35:07

like 30X, it looks soft, you take

35:09

the photo, wait a couple seconds. And

35:11

then just looks like a normal photo.

35:14

Look sharp. Like it looks good. It

35:16

doesn't look over sharpened. It doesn't, it

35:18

looks amazing. You can get to it.

35:21

Great on this camera. That's insane. You

35:23

did rich from like across the entire

35:25

office and then it starts like haloing

35:28

pretty hard. Yeah. So it is tough

35:30

to tackle like tough lighting conditions at

35:32

50x zoom. but on like a sky,

35:35

a skyline or whatever, trying to zoom

35:37

in on some buildings, like it does

35:39

a fantastic job. Anything that's sitting still,

35:42

it does a great job. I followed

35:44

Zuri around, it does a good job.

35:46

It does a good job, it does

35:49

a good job of like freezing actions,

35:51

Zuri's the dog that's over there sleeping

35:53

in the corner of the podcast room

35:56

right now, but it did a good

35:58

job with that. I'm just, yeah, the

36:00

thing about it. Okay, so I've only

36:03

had for a few days, I've only

36:05

had for a few days, I've only

36:07

had for a few days, I've only

36:09

had for a few days, a few

36:12

days, I've only had for a few

36:14

days, I've only had for a few

36:16

days, I've only had for a few

36:19

days, a few days, I've only had

36:21

for a few days, a few days,

36:23

a few days, a few days, I've,

36:26

a few days, a few days, a

36:28

few days, a few days, I've, It

36:30

also has 100 watt fast charging, 50

36:33

watt wireless charging, reverse wireless charging. Does

36:35

it have G2? It does not have

36:37

magnets in it. Unfortunately. She too is

36:40

fake as far as it. Yeah, we

36:42

don't get C2, we only get C2

36:44

ready. Yeah, just the Motorola skyline or

36:47

whatever. Yeah, but everything else about this

36:49

phone is basically peak 2025 smartphone. The

36:51

bar has been set now. That's crazy.

36:54

This is how good it gets. That's

36:56

unbelievable. Yeah. I might have to get

36:58

one. And speaking of something almost as

37:01

good, you also got to try the

37:03

light phone three out, right? I see

37:05

the light phone. Do I want to

37:08

bring it in here? Just to, I'm

37:10

going to, I'm working on a video

37:12

about this light phone. Okay. And minimal

37:15

phones. We talked about it briefly on

37:17

the last episode. I respect it. I

37:19

understand it. There is obviously some desire

37:22

for it. But the light phone three,

37:24

if you preorder, cost $600. And if

37:26

you don't pre-order costs $800? Yikes. I

37:29

don't understand that value proposition. Wow, that's

37:31

a lot. If the entire point of

37:33

the phone is to be less of

37:36

a phone, how do you charge more

37:38

than a lot of phones? How much

37:40

does this cost do we know? This

37:43

phone I don't have a price actually

37:45

for yet, but I'm going to guess

37:47

it's around 900 to $1,900 to $1,200.

37:49

Like it's a flagship, the X. 8

37:52

pro cost about 800. Okay. This is

37:54

not coming to the US by the

37:56

way, but that's about how much it

37:59

would cost. So that's, yeah, I'm trying

38:01

to square like what they're doing with

38:03

the light phone because it is so

38:06

expensive. Yeah. We got a few minimal

38:08

phones in recently. We got the light

38:10

phone. There's also the minimal phone that

38:13

came in and I think for some

38:15

people, like Becca Versace just made a

38:17

video on the light phone three and

38:20

she did a really good job on

38:22

that. but she had a lot of

38:24

frustrations as well. So it's one of

38:27

those things where it's like in order

38:29

to live the life you want to

38:31

live. you've got to have some tradeoffs.

38:34

Yeah. So Tim, I think, and I'm

38:36

not 100% sure about this, maybe Becca

38:38

said in her video, I didn't get

38:41

a chance to watch it, but Tim

38:43

was trying to bring it home to

38:45

use it for a little bit and

38:48

can't transfer any of his text messages

38:50

over to it. Is that only because

38:52

he's using I message or is it

38:55

just like? I haven't been able to

38:57

do that either. You're trying to find

38:59

some stuff and like, and like, it

39:02

still has SMS messaging messaging. your previous

39:04

SMS messages? There's a portal. There's an

39:06

online order that you can log into

39:09

and like add and remove different apps

39:11

and things that I can, not even

39:13

really apps, they call them functions. But

39:16

it, yeah, it's very limited. Yeah, and

39:18

intentionally so. Yeah. So, all right. Yeah.

39:20

Before we move on, I think I

39:22

have a loose answer as to how

39:25

a device and why a device might

39:27

be rated both IP 68 and IP

39:29

69. It turns out. While you would

39:32

think that the difference between eight and

39:34

nine is just harder, faster, stronger, drier,

39:36

it turns out they're actually different materials.

39:39

International standards code society, whatever, actually prescribes

39:41

two different kinds of tests. IP 68

39:43

refers to a submersion survivability capability, whatever.

39:46

So when you test for, when you

39:48

give it the IP 68 rating, you're

39:50

literally submerging the device. The IP 69

39:53

rating. demands that the device be subjected

39:55

to what is akin to an industrial

39:57

cleaning environment where they actually blast the

40:00

device with high pressure, high temperature water.

40:02

So they are two different modes of

40:04

survivability when it comes to water. I

40:07

really hope that's right. I was just

40:09

reading standards codes and trying to make

40:11

the best sense of it, but it

40:14

does seem like actually it sort of

40:16

describes two separate. I'll reference one of

40:18

our most hated videos that did go

40:21

to see one of those. One of

40:23

the like water the durability testing from

40:25

the Apple Labs, but yeah, the IP

40:28

68 test is literally just put the

40:30

phone underwater and like close the tank

40:32

But the thing that they do to

40:35

simulate depth because because they don't have

40:37

a 10-foot depth is they just close

40:39

it, seal it, and add pressure. And

40:42

so IP 68 does include some amount

40:44

of pressure. IP 69 is just way

40:46

more pressure with those jets that they're

40:49

hitting the phone with. Yeah, because five

40:51

and six are jets of water not

40:53

submerging, which is under the submerging of

40:56

seven and eight, and then nine is

40:58

close range, high temperature water jets. Yeah,

41:00

I think when they fit jets, it's,

41:02

they're like sprinkling water on the phone.

41:05

What I really think made it sound

41:07

like for real IP 69 you need

41:09

real jets and then they also specify

41:12

it needs to hit all sides of

41:14

the phone for at least three minutes.

41:16

Wow. Yeah. All right. So if you

41:19

are going to dishwasher your phone. Yeah,

41:21

that's basically what it is. So we

41:23

can try we can put that phone

41:26

in the dishwasher for three minutes. We

41:28

could try it. Yeah. Or a laundry

41:30

or whatever. I mean, I don't know

41:33

if you put your phone through a

41:35

entire laundry cycle, I don't think you

41:37

expect it to survive. But there's a

41:40

higher chance that it could if it

41:42

is IP 69 rated. This tweet came

41:44

back. This is relevant, I promised. Resurfaced

41:47

in the form of screenshot. And I

41:49

feel the need to share it. I

41:51

have a pulled up right now. Oven

41:54

has a window. Microwave, too. You can

41:56

see all the way through a blender.

41:58

A blender. But the dishwasher, oh no,

42:01

you could never see in there. They

42:03

refused to let us see what's going

42:05

on in here. That is a great

42:08

point. Yeah, it's a good point. Maybe

42:10

it's just because it's mostly ugly. Yeah,

42:12

definitely. I did watch a video a

42:15

long time ago if someone put a

42:17

GoPro in a dishwasher. Yeah. I've seen

42:19

what happens in a dishwasher, but how

42:22

come no one's done like a dishwasher

42:24

with a window? Because it looks dirty.

42:26

Yeah, it looks dirty. The pre-order is

42:29

delayed in Canada as well as the

42:31

United States. It is literally breaking, top

42:33

of timeline. Breaking. So anyway, we'll continue

42:35

with the switch 2 podcast talking about

42:38

other things. Things of all. Oh guys.

42:40

But there may be multiple breaking news

42:42

stories about the switch to during this

42:45

episode. Other interesting phone tidbits, which we

42:47

haven't really had a lot of phone

42:49

stuff in a while. Nothing subbrand. Okay,

42:52

I'm going to go through this. Nothing

42:54

is a budget phone brand, right? Okay.

42:56

Technically. They have a budget phone, the

42:59

A series. They also launched a budget

43:01

subbrand. Now the budget brand's budget subbrand

43:03

just is launching a pro phone. So

43:06

I'm not really sure where this puts

43:08

everything. Me neither. But you know, so

43:10

CMF is making the CMF phone to

43:13

pro. They kind of showed a few

43:15

little animated things related to it. It's

43:17

going to have three cameras on it.

43:20

So it'll I guess have a tele

43:22

photo and wide. Is that all that

43:24

pro means anymore? Because there's... Oh my

43:27

God, I can't even keep up. There's

43:29

the nothing phone and then there's the

43:31

budget nothing phone, which is the A.

43:34

But then there's the A-Pro as well.

43:36

Then there's the A-Pro that just came

43:38

out. Yeah. Yeah, there's the budget companies,

43:41

pro-budget phone. Yeah. The only thing these

43:43

pro phones all have in common is

43:45

they all have triple cameras from the

43:48

iPhone 16 pro all the way down

43:50

to the nothing 3A, all the way

43:52

down to the CMF phone pro, all

43:55

that pro means is we have a

43:57

regular camera and I'll try camera and

43:59

a tele photo camera. But they did

44:02

tease that it's going to have a

44:04

new finish, textured, tactile, Yeah, well my

44:06

question becomes then the whole point of

44:09

the CMF on one was that it

44:11

had that 3D printed like you could

44:13

3D print your own back off. That's

44:15

what was sick about it. That's what

44:18

was sick about it. So like if

44:20

they're just making a metal or like

44:22

a glass phone then isn't it just

44:25

still has the screw? It still has

44:27

the screw. It still has the screw.

44:29

Although that screw doesn't look like it

44:32

takes that back off. This one specifically

44:34

is inside its own little, like you

44:36

can see the back. Remember the screw

44:39

was not to take the back off?

44:41

This one wasn't just add accessories to

44:43

just add accessories. That was like for

44:46

land-yared accessories accessories and accessories and accessories

44:48

and stuff, right. Right. But wasn't there

44:50

also another one that. But wasn't there

44:53

also another one that took the back.

44:55

Yes, right, and you unscrew it and

44:57

take the back. Okay, apparently they're going

45:00

to announce this on Monday the 28th

45:02

of April So that's in a couple

45:04

of weeks. Okay, but they're teasing it

45:07

early. They're also releasing three new sets

45:09

of earbuds The CMF buds two the

45:11

two a and the two plus Shocker

45:14

okay, so so okay budget brand releases

45:16

a budget or subbrand which releases a

45:18

budget set of earbuds, a normal, whatever

45:21

that means, because of the budget, sub-rend,

45:23

and then a pro set of budget

45:25

earbuds. Cool. Plus a plus set. I

45:28

can't keep this. Is this all just

45:30

there to make us realize that the

45:32

term budget means basically nothing or a

45:35

million different things to everybody? And that

45:37

it is basically a curse to even

45:39

say that word in any tech. Max

45:42

and plot like yeah, I guess the

45:44

the strategy which we've seen before is

45:46

We want to offer a product at

45:48

every possible price tier in increments of

45:51

10 Yeah, that someone might buy a

45:53

product at Samsung's been out there forever

45:55

They have the A series they have

45:58

the galaxy S they have the galaxy

46:00

Z Z whatever like there's a bunch

46:02

of different series in versions and so

46:05

they end up having a thousand phones

46:07

and if you pick a price point

46:09

they've got a phone for you And

46:12

I guess that's kind of what this

46:14

company is doing, but instead of everything

46:16

being a nothing phone, there's the nothing.

46:19

and then there's the nothing A series,

46:21

and there's the CMF series, and there's

46:23

the CMF pro, and CMF, like they'll

46:26

get every price point sooner or later.

46:28

It's just that Carl Pay always follows

46:30

the exact same, like, trajectory, which is

46:33

like, launch a company that has really

46:35

good specs for the price, launch a

46:37

pro version of that that's more expensive,

46:40

and then be like, but we hear

46:42

you, so we're gonna launch an affordable

46:44

version. And then they make. the pro

46:47

version of the affordable version and then

46:49

they're like you know what this isn't

46:51

even affordable anymore here's a sub brand

46:54

it's just can't wait till he reacts

46:56

to this on the nothing channel I

46:58

also think what what you realize when

47:01

you are a young or small smartphone

47:03

competitor is that the price points that

47:05

you compete at also determine how competitive

47:08

it is and at the 800 to

47:10

a thousand dollar price point it is

47:12

super hyper ultra competitive like Samsung Galaxy

47:15

S versus iPhone versus Vivo versus Apo

47:17

like these companies are pouring so much

47:19

into bleeding edge phones and if you're

47:22

just starting up you can't like get

47:24

the suppliers and get the price down

47:26

to actually compete there so the they're

47:28

kind of forced into starting at we're

47:31

gonna have a lower priced phone and

47:33

try to compete there instead. Yeah. And

47:35

they'll compete there with you know fancy

47:38

software for some interesting new design or

47:40

whatever. but I think you'll it takes

47:42

a long time and a lot of

47:45

volume to get up to okay now

47:47

we're going to compete with like the

47:49

snap dragon eight elite like big dog

47:52

nine hundred dollar phones. It also makes

47:54

people very angry when your whole thing

47:56

was like we do this cheaper and

47:59

better. Yeah, so definitely. I have a

48:01

pitch for budget phone naming schemes. Okay.

48:03

Let's just the number is the price.

48:06

The nothing phone 349. You have to

48:08

launch a variable pricing, Doug Bouser. I

48:10

think you could pull that off. That's

48:13

my new company. Very fun. Okay, last

48:15

story before we take. another break. This

48:17

is so stupid. Okay. You may have

48:20

heard that Sam Altman and Johnny Ive

48:22

were working on a product together. This

48:24

happened quite a while ago. I'm so

48:27

happy I don't know about this. Oh

48:29

really? Okay, this was like a year

48:31

ago that the rumors around this started.

48:34

I was just gonna say it's rumors.

48:36

It was rumors, it was rumors, but

48:38

they do have a startup that they're

48:41

working on together, I believe, I believe,

48:43

officially. Is this just money laundering? That's

48:45

the question of the year my friends.

48:48

Another sound right. Perfect. Yeah. So report,

48:50

Sam Allman and Johnny, I've Start Up,

48:52

might be sold to Open AI for

48:55

$500 billion plus dollars. $500 billion. What

48:57

do they? So I don't know about

48:59

this. $500 million. Oh, sorry. Did I

49:01

say billion? Yeah, that no more cassette

49:04

billion. This one right here says 500

49:06

million. 500 million. In the doc. I

49:08

wrote billion. I was wrong. Okay. I

49:11

should have. Yeah, okay. That makes a

49:13

rule. Okay. Same all men and Johnny.

49:15

I've started up maybe sold to open

49:18

AI for 500 million plus dollars. What?

49:20

So I've never, I don't know what

49:22

the startup does, but $500 million dollars

49:25

implies they do something. Well, implies. What

49:27

do they do? you know, XA I

49:29

purchases X Energy here. Uh, they've reportedly

49:32

been working on a phone-like product without

49:34

a screen. I've heard this one. Which

49:36

we have heard many times before. Go

49:39

on. It could be a little bit

49:41

different considering. No. Don't do that. Yes,

49:43

it could be a little bit different

49:46

considering, you know, Open AI actually has

49:48

a working voice mode model that is

49:50

good. It's not like the human AI

49:53

pin or the rabbit. As for it

49:55

actually being like agentic and taking action

49:57

for you, I'm not sure about that.

50:00

They are also reportedly working on AI

50:02

enabled household devices, which is also kind

50:04

of interesting. I was thinking about this

50:07

yesterday and I'm like, well, surprisingly, Google

50:09

has not added Gemini to any. of

50:11

its Google Home products. Yeah, I feel

50:14

like they have to do that this

50:16

year. Syria is nowhere to be found.

50:18

Alexa Plus was announced and it was

50:21

supposed to already be out in early

50:23

access and yet I have not heard

50:25

of anyone having it. So weirdly enough

50:28

there is this gap in the market

50:30

for like home enabled smart AI devices

50:32

that are generative that nobody is doing

50:35

yet. But of course, you know, this

50:37

isn't. available yet, but you know, I

50:39

don't know. So yeah, I don't know.

50:41

It's, uh, I could see there being

50:44

something there and Open AI does have

50:46

a lot of cashier right now, but

50:48

it's just sort of, you know. I

50:51

wish I had Sam Altman's superpower to

50:53

just raise infinite money. Yeah. He just

50:55

like gets money. Ro is so good

50:58

at getting money. He can literally. pay

51:00

himself and get Microsoft to be the

51:02

person that gives him the money to

51:05

pay himself. Yeah, like he's acquiring his

51:07

own company for $500 billion. With Daddy

51:09

Satia's money. With Satia's money. This is

51:12

the most Silicon Valley bubble thing I've

51:14

seen a long time. I watched a

51:16

lot of Shark Tank. I don't know

51:19

if you guys watched Shark Tank. Have

51:21

you ever watched a good amount of

51:23

Shark Tank? You know how there's at

51:26

the beginning of every pitch? They're like,

51:28

and I would like to offer you

51:30

a shark the opportunity to buy 10%

51:33

of my company for $100,000. Here's what

51:35

I do. And then they go through

51:37

the pitch, and then they get to

51:40

the end of the pitch, and then

51:42

Mr. Wonderful goes, well, with this valuation,

51:44

you must have a lot of sales,

51:47

my friend. Why are you worth a

51:49

million dollars? And then they have to

51:51

justify themselves. It's easier when to, I'm

51:54

trying to put this on shark tank

51:56

of, of Sam. And I'd like to

51:58

offer you the opportunity for $100 million

52:01

to buy 20% of my company. And

52:03

here's what we do. And then this

52:05

wonderful goes, wow, a $500 million valuation.

52:08

You must have amazing sales. And then

52:10

they go, no, we actually don't have

52:12

any products or sales or anything. happening

52:14

yet, but we just got this good

52:17

idea. And there's a spot in the

52:19

market that seems like it's open right

52:21

now. And Google and Apple and Amazon

52:24

haven't done it yet. So we have

52:26

a chance. You know what they have?

52:28

Johnny Ive. Well, but this shark tank

52:31

is Sam Altman comes out and says,

52:33

I have this. What would you like

52:35

to see? And then the camera turns

52:38

and Sam Altman's sitting at the shark

52:40

thing. And then he goes, but why

52:42

does everyone hate me? Well, yeah, anyway,

52:45

we'll keep an eye on that because

52:47

if it happens, it happens, whatever, I

52:49

don't think that affects us in any

52:52

way. There's no products to talk about

52:54

here and no one can buy anything

52:56

any of these people are making. So

52:59

good for them. Congrats. Keep. Keep it

53:01

up. Mom's proud of you, but yeah,

53:03

I don't know what's going on. I'm

53:06

sorry or congratulations. I'm not reading all

53:08

that. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll have

53:10

a little bit more to talk about

53:13

after the break, Tiktok, Getting Band, maybe

53:15

or maybe not, and also some streaming

53:17

stuff. But before that, trivia. Trivia, dude.

53:20

So, we spoke about the Apple Find

53:22

X8 Ultra. We're going to just keep

53:24

adding words to the phones. Plus. Plus.

53:27

Budget. But their first phone ever had

53:29

a much better name. The A-103, aka

53:31

the Smiley face. There's multiple choice. Why

53:34

was it called that? A, the phone

53:36

itself had a Smiley face on the

53:38

back. That's cool. B, the person who

53:41

designed it, Tony Chen, is nicknamed Smiley,

53:43

so it was in his honor. C.

53:45

It was originally only sold in a

53:48

store that translates to Smiley Shop. So

53:50

it was a partnership. Or D, none

53:52

of these are true. The first ever

53:54

phone or the first? Their first ever.

53:57

Oppos first. Yeah, Apple's first phone. Yeah.

53:59

What about? It was the first phone

54:01

in China to be able to. Alexander

54:04

Graham Bell, like, I've invented the first

54:06

phone. It's called the. Smiley face. I

54:08

would call it that. Okay. All right.

54:11

Emogee. It has, it could do Emogee.

54:13

This is, we're so good at podcast.

54:15

That's my guess. We'll be right back.

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slash podcast. Terms and Condition Supply.

58:30

being streamed and what they do is

58:32

they put ads in it and you

58:34

may have heard of this model before

58:37

because it was cable. So now Google

58:39

is getting into that game because things

58:41

like Pluto TV have gotten very popular

58:44

where basically you can just like watch

58:46

all of these shows there's channels and

58:48

you don't get to decide what you

58:51

watch and it's just like the past

58:53

except now it's being straight over

58:55

the internet. Oh, it's cool. I think Samsung,

58:57

I think of something else. You're thinking

59:00

of plex. You're thinking of plex. Well,

59:02

that's another, like, anyways, Samsung also has

59:04

a Samsung TV experience where it's the

59:06

same thing. It's terrible, because every time

59:08

I turn my TV on, it's just

59:10

blaring some rent, like, dude's, where, dude

59:12

wears my car, I was playing the

59:14

other day, and I'm like. Again, my

59:16

Bluetooth remote's not connecting, because the Samsung

59:18

remotes are horrific and disconnect all the

59:21

time. And I'm stuck on, dude. Where's

59:23

my car? Built in Samsung UI and

59:25

stuff on your Samsung TV? I do,

59:27

too. You crazy people, why? What would

59:29

you do instead? Oh, you used like

59:31

a Google TV, there's Google TV, there's

59:33

Chrome Cat, there's like a million ways

59:36

to bypass that. It's all built in

59:38

for free, I didn't have to buy

59:40

a $100 box. Yeah, that's fine. I

59:42

mean, a YouTube app is a YouTube

59:44

app, kind of no matter where you

59:46

are. The Samsung TV app is not

59:49

great, but the Samsung TV app is

59:51

not great, but the worst thing is

59:53

that the, sorry, we have, Come to

59:55

the light side actually I have

59:57

an LG TV and a Samsung TV

59:59

and I personally strongly prefer the Samsung

1:00:02

UI. Oh, wait, is there an infrared?

1:00:04

Sorry, this is a really good problem.

1:00:06

Is there an infrared Samsung remote? Because

1:00:09

I want to drive my head through

1:00:11

the wall every time. Not just

1:00:13

as the LG remote infrared, but I

1:00:15

don't have an LG TV. I'm asking

1:00:18

a different question. Built into this glorious

1:00:20

infrared remote is universal backwards compatibility. So

1:00:23

any other stereo device that you have

1:00:25

in your house, you can. Sink with

1:00:27

your remote. Yeah, that's fires out.

1:00:29

Does that work on my Samsung TV?

1:00:32

It works on my 1980s stereo receiver.

1:00:34

Like it's back for compatible, like decades.

1:00:36

Yes, it does. I'm pretty sure my

1:00:39

Samsung TV remote is also infrared. One

1:00:41

more minute. Every time it just goes

1:00:43

like, it'll turn the TV on

1:00:45

and off, but I can't control any

1:00:48

of the like left, right, volume, anything.

1:00:50

Select the UI. And then it's like,

1:00:52

press these two buttons. And I have

1:00:55

you hold it and it and it

1:00:57

and it and it. Can't connect. Can't

1:00:59

connect. Can't connect. Can't connect. And

1:01:01

you just do it over and over

1:01:04

and over to. You give up or

1:01:06

it connects 45 times later. Samsung. That

1:01:08

can't be infrared then. Yeah. Geez. No,

1:01:11

it shows a Bluetooth symbol when it

1:01:13

connects. Oh, it's awful. It's the dumbest

1:01:15

thing I've ever discussed. Did you

1:01:17

know that life could be good? Hey,

1:01:20

listen, if you want to gift me

1:01:22

an LG TV. Reportedly extremely good. It

1:01:24

has been around for a long time.

1:01:27

The LG QNED displays rock. QNED. QNED.

1:01:29

Mmm. Gives you an LG remote. I'll

1:01:31

see. Okay. I can bring us

1:01:33

back. David, I have a question for

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you. Okay. This is, can I reassign

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that button to a Pluto TV? No.

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It has to be the Google TV.

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I believe. I believe. So yeah. So

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they're like launching their own thing.

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Yeah, I mean, so the Google TV

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remotes already have built-in buttons for like

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Netflix and Hulu and Amazon. Yeah, it's

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like because these companies pay these companies

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pay the makers of the devices to

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like put these buttons on it so

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they can make money to quickly

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access it. very, in my, it's very

1:02:06

e-wasty to like create a hard coded

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button that goes to a service that

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may get merged with another service next

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month. Generally that happens, but you know

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that's what happens. So anyway, I don't

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know, Google is really leaning into

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this because I think they're finding out

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that it's a big cash cow for

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them. I have a anchored nebula projector

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that has Google TV on it. Every

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time I open the Google TV UI,

1:02:31

they have started prominently putting the free

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TV stuff like really big on

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the home screen. Do you mean Android

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TV OS or Google TV? It's Google

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TV, which is, which is, yeah, it's

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a platform, Google TV. I thought it

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was called, oh. No, it used to

1:02:47

be called Android TV as now Google

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TV. This is different from Chrom.

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Yeah. Yeah. Chromecast is just... Chromecast is

1:02:54

like airplay, but for Google. Well. Well,

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there was Chromecast TV. But there's Chromast

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with Google TV. Which they did sunset.

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They no longer sell the Chromast with

1:03:03

Google TV. Which they did sunset. They

1:03:05

no longer sell the Chromast with

1:03:07

Google TV. Now they only saw the

1:03:10

box. They sunset the actual Chromast thing

1:03:12

like a month ago. It's like, it's

1:03:14

actually pretty good. It is very good.

1:03:17

Yeah. No, and had a nice texture.

1:03:19

Anyway, that texture doesn't matter because it's

1:03:21

in the back of your TV.

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But regardless, it is interesting to see

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Google like asserting a lot of like

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dominance here because they are now forcing

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manufacturers that use Google TV to have

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a big free TV button. They did

1:03:35

not say how big or where

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it needs to be on the remote,

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but. The product that is being sold

1:03:42

from Walmart, the Google TV box from

1:03:44

Walmart, the remote now has a very

1:03:46

giant free TV blue button in the

1:03:49

center. Full width. Full width of the

1:03:51

remote. So, you know, and you

1:03:53

know what? I kind of like the

1:03:56

free. TV stuff. I think that this

1:03:58

is maybe a hot take, but because

1:04:00

we have so much choice now, a

1:04:03

lot of people, you know, that's why

1:04:05

I like the Spotify, like radio stations

1:04:07

and like all this stuff, it

1:04:09

is kind of nice to just drop

1:04:12

content on your life and not worry

1:04:14

about it because there's like too much

1:04:16

choice sometimes. And so I think a

1:04:19

lot of people like that, you know,

1:04:21

just being able to go on free

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TV and be like, oh, the

1:04:25

Star Trek channel is playing. watch whatever

1:04:28

episode it feeds me. You know, I

1:04:30

wonder who you could be talking about.

1:04:32

That was my life in 2020 when

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Michael Fisher forced me to watch a

1:04:37

lot of stars. It was good. It

1:04:39

was good. But yeah, I don't

1:04:41

know. I think that that is a

1:04:44

growing market. We also saw that literal

1:04:46

TV that they were giving you to

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you for free from the company that

1:04:51

made the free TV service. And the

1:04:53

Super Bowl this year. Was what on

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free? Yeah on Pluto or one

1:04:57

of them was on T-bo or I

1:05:00

watched it on I watched it on

1:05:02

I watched it on one of the

1:05:04

free ones. I think it was on

1:05:07

T-bo T-bo but you didn't watch you

1:05:09

were on the plane. T-by. No, I

1:05:11

got I landed like right before

1:05:13

the halftime show so I caught like

1:05:16

I logged on like I logged on

1:05:18

like in the do you didn't catch

1:05:20

it on he-me? I Googled is Pluto

1:05:23

TV TV legit and the top comment

1:05:25

says it's illegal you're going to

1:05:27

going to jail. What? Is that a

1:05:29

credit comment? Yes. We do need to

1:05:32

give them credit for having a fifth

1:05:34

letter. What, Pluto? Yeah. Oh. Yeah, but

1:05:36

that was, they were early though. They've

1:05:39

been around for a while. Oh, yeah.

1:05:41

Oh, gee. Oh, gee. They were.

1:05:43

from the solar system. Yeah, Sea Planet.

1:05:46

Oh, Paramount owns them? Yeah, I think

1:05:48

there's something to be said about ever

1:05:50

since Napster, all these companies realize that

1:05:53

they can't be caught with their pants

1:05:55

down. And anytime there's something not profitable,

1:05:57

that seems like it could disrupt,

1:05:59

that'll just get acquired instantly by one

1:06:02

of these companies. Yeah. Like Hulu was

1:06:04

owned by NBC since like the really

1:06:06

early days in that company. Wasn't that

1:06:09

like a plot from NBC? Like they

1:06:11

got together, well not like nebulal, well

1:06:13

kind of nebulos, they got together

1:06:15

with some other streaming, the other companies

1:06:18

and they were like, streaming is coming,

1:06:20

so let's like make this new company

1:06:22

that doesn't look like it's us, but

1:06:25

it will be us, secretly. I don't

1:06:27

know, maybe future bonus episode. Yeah, maybe.

1:06:29

But yeah, I know, Pluto is

1:06:31

just paramount. Even though it's so weird

1:06:34

actually, they're like, you can pay for

1:06:36

Paramount Plus or you can. Yeah. Now

1:06:38

Disney owns Hulu. Oh, right. So, yeah.

1:06:41

Because they're in the bundle with ESPN

1:06:43

and now there's peacocks streaming, which is

1:06:45

NBC, but this does say, who

1:06:47

cares? Yeah, Phoebe owns. Not, not me.

1:06:50

I also wanted to know it really

1:06:52

quickly. Last night, I was using my

1:06:54

projector and in a very funny series

1:06:57

of events. I was scrolling through YouTube

1:06:59

videos. And when I would hover over

1:07:01

one YouTube video, the screen would

1:07:03

like flash and then all the colors

1:07:06

would invert. And I was like, what?

1:07:08

It was only one YouTube video when

1:07:10

it would start auto playing. And then

1:07:13

I started watching that video on my

1:07:15

phone and I realized it was

1:07:17

an HDR video. So my Google TV,

1:07:19

and I don't know if this is

1:07:22

like all Google TV platforms, mine seems

1:07:24

to be different because it literally does

1:07:27

not have. a speed changing thing, which

1:07:29

really bothers me. But yeah, I just

1:07:31

thought it was very funny that

1:07:33

Google TV's YouTube could not handle HDR

1:07:36

when they push it. So auto play

1:07:38

HDR. I think one more thing about

1:07:40

Google's official free TV thing. Yeah. Is

1:07:43

that I don't exactly know a lot

1:07:45

about the inner workings of Pluto or

1:07:47

whatever or the other free TV

1:07:49

stream ads. Well, ads, but You know,

1:07:52

one thing that's kind of interesting about

1:07:54

IP TV is the ability to serve

1:07:56

ads. Like obviously in traditional TV, you

1:07:59

have to do all this work to

1:08:01

predict who's going to be watching at

1:08:03

any given moment and then you

1:08:05

sell that information. advertise or give that

1:08:08

information to advertisers who would like will

1:08:10

probably hit our market demographics with this

1:08:12

show. Whereas with something like Google that

1:08:15

has information on every consumer that has

1:08:17

ever lived and ever will be born.

1:08:19

They might be able to squeeze

1:08:21

a lot more juice out of this

1:08:24

thing. Yes, yes, because when I was

1:08:26

during like 2020, 2021 when Fisher was

1:08:28

having me watch a lot of Star

1:08:31

Trek and also we were watching this

1:08:33

old house, which was very nice. the

1:08:35

advertising that was playing was like

1:08:37

New York State advertising right so it

1:08:40

was definitely localized yeah so that did

1:08:42

used to be a problem where they

1:08:44

couldn't target you before now they can

1:08:47

target you so they could probably make

1:08:49

more money and so they're taking an

1:08:51

old business model and they're like

1:08:53

but we're using data and we're only

1:08:56

like a few tokens away from ads

1:08:58

being LLLM generated on the fly like

1:09:00

like picture you're like watching a basketball

1:09:03

game and then it's like Joe Marquez!

1:09:05

I actually think you're not even

1:09:07

exaggerating. I don't think you're exaggerating. It

1:09:09

kind of is already, isn't it? Like

1:09:12

certain ads will only show on the

1:09:14

court if you're in certain areas. That's

1:09:17

not the actual stadium. That's not tailored

1:09:19

to you. Like a man walks on

1:09:21

screen and is like, Adam, it's

1:09:23

been a while since you've been to

1:09:26

Disneyland. You want to go. Adam, you

1:09:28

have a $1,000 switch too? Yeah. It's

1:09:30

only $9.99. I didn't realize Pluto TV

1:09:33

is like a bunch of channels that's

1:09:35

not regular cable. It's like the fail

1:09:37

army channel and cats 24 7

1:09:39

and there's a couple like NBC news

1:09:42

and stuff, but then there's also the

1:09:44

onion and so that makes worth the

1:09:46

monster cat channel. At least like the

1:09:49

Samsung one has regular channels. Yeah. Every

1:09:51

time it comes out, I'm like, go

1:09:53

away, please. Oh, wait, my remote's

1:09:55

broken. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. All

1:09:58

right. I think that we should go

1:10:00

to trivia. Yeah, let's wrap it up.

1:10:02

You know, our viewers say they love

1:10:05

it best when we make no sense.

1:10:07

All right, guys. I have four hilarious

1:10:09

names. Are they all real? Is

1:10:11

one of them fake? If so, which

1:10:14

one? Hitted Adam. We have Professor of

1:10:16

Psychiatry, Jules Anxt. Ornithologist and program manager

1:10:18

for Feather Identification at the National Museum

1:10:21

of Natural History, Carla Dove. 1984, Olympic

1:10:23

gold medalist swimmer Jeff Flote. And current

1:10:25

host of the view, Sunny Houston.

1:10:27

And again, I will, and there is

1:10:30

a, all of these are real E

1:10:32

option. I'm so bad at reading multiple

1:10:34

choice. No, that was great. Well, I

1:10:37

didn't get the letters. All right. One

1:10:39

at a time, folks. Well, we all

1:10:41

put different answers. Yes. I put

1:10:43

A. Unfortunately, Jules Anxt is real. Dang.

1:10:46

I put Sunny Hosten, Sunny Hosten is

1:10:48

real and the host of the view.

1:10:50

Probably should have made that one the

1:10:53

fake one because we definitely we just

1:10:55

don't watch them. I couldn't have

1:10:57

made it fake because it's real. I

1:11:00

put you out there you, Floyd. He's

1:11:02

fake. Jeff Floyd is also real. These

1:11:04

are all real. I like how no

1:11:07

one doubted Carla Dove. Carla Dove. Carla

1:11:09

Dove is my cousin. Quick update on

1:11:11

a score. Especially since no one

1:11:13

got anything righteous. Marquez with 16, Andrew

1:11:16

with 7. David, 10 points ahead from

1:11:18

Andrew with 17. That's not how you

1:11:20

do things. David with 2.1 Andrews at

1:11:23

17. 2.1. Is it just 2? Oh.

1:11:25

Yeah. So like what is it? 2.2.

1:11:27

Sorry. Yeah. I think in base

1:11:29

10. That's why. There we go. Okay.

1:11:32

So. The APO A103 was nicknamed the

1:11:34

Smiley Face. Why? Is it because A,

1:11:36

the phone itself had a Smiley Face

1:11:39

on the back? B, the person who

1:11:41

designed it was nicknamed. Smiley, so

1:11:43

it was in

1:11:45

his honor his honor. C,

1:11:48

the original store that

1:11:50

it was sold

1:11:52

in was translated to

1:11:55

was So a partnership

1:11:57

to Smiley None of

1:11:59

these are true Or

1:12:01

D, do you guys

1:12:04

think? What do you guys

1:12:06

is pretty screwed, but

1:12:08

is pretty screwed. But, uh, of

1:12:11

these are true

1:12:13

to none of these

1:12:15

are exactly are

1:12:17

right none of these are true.

1:12:20

answer All right, so better not be,

1:12:22

uh, the answer. Who the

1:12:24

same to go first? Well, I

1:12:27

put have the same. Yes!