0:00

And then he

0:02

right clicked

0:04

and clicked

0:07

save image

0:10

on the

0:12

actual picture

0:15

of the jig

0:17

that was on

0:20

the page. And

0:23

he thought that

0:25

that was the

0:28

plans. Hello. Howdy. How

0:30

you guys doing? Doing all

0:32

right. Yeah. I flew down to the

0:34

sip right after we recorded

0:37

last week and when we left

0:39

Kentucky it was like 40, you

0:41

know, just nice day, nice morning.

0:44

That sounded gross in my years.

0:46

I didn't like that. Landed here

0:48

and it was 80. Oh my

0:51

gosh. The sip? Do residents call

0:53

it the sip? I do. I'm

0:55

not a resident. That's yucky. I

0:57

don't want to hear that again.

1:00

I don't like abbreviations in general.

1:02

To say the thing that it

1:04

is. Let's go. Mississippi. It's better

1:06

than calling it the P. Yeah. No,

1:09

that one's funny. I could get a

1:11

giggle out of that. Yeah, it's been

1:13

warm here. It's cooler this morning. It

1:16

was like 48. But yesterday it was

1:18

beautiful, but the day before it was

1:20

like 83. Oh my goodness. Yeah. And

1:23

I totally forgot my shorts. Oh, so

1:25

you're burning up down there. Yeah, better

1:27

than forgetting your underwear like I've done,

1:30

but, you know, I brought those, but as

1:32

soon as I got here and got off

1:34

the plane, I was like, I didn't bring

1:36

any shorts. Yeah, but if you forget your

1:39

underwear, nobody knows but you. If you forget

1:41

your shorts, then everybody sees your

1:43

underwear. But I'm just pretending

1:45

I'm Mark and wearing pants,

1:47

because that's really all that

1:49

counts. Shorts don't exist, right?

1:51

Shorts don't exist, right? What

1:54

you guys been up to?

1:56

Oh, not a whole line.

1:58

I had some... over

2:01

yesterday we watched the game

2:03

and the blowout you mean

2:05

spoiler that was Very

2:08

unexpected. I was very pleased with

2:10

the outcome. I don't really

2:12

have anything against Kansas City,

2:14

but I don't care about

2:17

it. They won too already.

2:19

It was time for for

2:21

that throne to move on

2:23

to somebody else and so I

2:25

was I was happy to see

2:27

the Eagles when but my goodness

2:30

what a spanking that was that

2:32

goodness yeah and it wasn't just

2:34

their offense their defense was rowdy

2:37

the Kansas City defense could not

2:39

contain the eagles it was just

2:41

it got to a point where

2:43

it was kind of embarrassing oh

2:46

wait oh he's yeah he's asleep

2:48

yeah I think it was kind

2:50

of an indicator when what the

2:52

first less than five minutes of

2:55

Kansas City having their possession. He

2:57

got sacked three times in a

2:59

row. Yeah. And I was like,

3:01

oh boy. And then he started

3:03

throwing those picks. My goodness. Anyway,

3:06

yeah, we'll move on from that.

3:08

Yeah, Mark. What? Oh, podcast. Got

3:10

it. I'm sorry I had a

3:12

quick nap there. I don't know.

3:14

I don't know what came over

3:17

me. We were talking about sports

3:19

ball. So you got sleepy.

3:21

So you got sleepy. You know

3:23

the friends brought over like

3:25

some chips and different

3:27

kinds of dip and guacamole

3:29

and stuff like that and

3:31

then we ordered some pizza

3:33

and I was like man

3:35

if you plan on having

3:37

pizza you better get that

3:39

order in early because I'm

3:41

pretty sure that they're gonna

3:43

just be slam packed and

3:46

and they were and so

3:48

we ended up like ordering

3:50

at four and then we

3:52

got the pizza at like

3:54

630 or something but which

3:56

was perfect because that's right

3:58

when the game started yeah But

4:00

man, yeah, it was fun, just sort

4:02

of hanging out. I always sort of

4:04

get a kick out of some of

4:06

the commercials, but man, there was not

4:08

that many good commercials. I was

4:11

so surprised. Some of them

4:13

just flat out did not make sense.

4:15

No, some of are really weird.

4:17

You're like 20 seconds into the

4:19

commercial and you still have no

4:21

idea what they're advertising. And I

4:23

just didn't, and some of them

4:25

are just so bizarre. Like the

4:28

cowboy flesh hat guy? Yes, that

4:30

was weird. It was really creepy.

4:32

And I didn't even understand what

4:34

it was that they were advertising.

4:36

And then at the very end,

4:38

they're like, to be. And

4:40

I'm like, well, okay, but what

4:43

is that? I don't

4:45

understand what that is. Right.

4:47

And I didn't get the

4:49

message. And that was like,

4:51

I think that was like

4:53

a minute long advertisement. Yeah, later on

4:55

they ran a little shorty, a little short

4:57

32nd one and it gave no context. So

4:59

if you missed the first one, you wouldn't

5:01

have known what was going on at all.

5:03

And now here's the thing. They

5:06

threw up some

5:08

statistics of how much it

5:10

costs to run a 32nd

5:12

commercial during the Super Bowl.

5:14

It was $8 million, $8

5:17

million for 30 seconds. And

5:19

some of those ads were

5:21

a minute and I didn't understand

5:23

what they were even saying. I

5:26

could not get it. So it's

5:28

just really baffling to think

5:31

that, okay, there was a ton

5:33

of people sitting around a

5:35

corporate boardroom conference table and

5:37

they're all pitching out ideas

5:40

and somebody thought that this

5:42

would be a really good idea. It's

5:44

like, oh, let's do some

5:46

guy with a flesh

5:48

cowboy hat and kind of

5:50

run through the story

5:52

this way and he's combating

5:54

with two other kids that

5:56

have flesh wizard hats.

5:58

Wizard hats. And it's like,

6:01

what? This is so weird. And

6:03

everybody around this conference table is

6:05

like, oh yeah, yeah, that's a

6:07

great idea. Yes and? Yes, 16

6:09

million dollar budget, let's do it.

6:11

I'm sure Mark probably did not

6:13

watch it. So he's sitting here

6:15

thinking, this sounds even weird or

6:17

having not seen it, but having

6:20

not seen it, it's weird. I

6:22

don't. I hate marketing almost as

6:24

much as I dislike sports. It's

6:26

just. The whole concept of

6:28

let's how do we separate people from

6:30

their money? Well, they don't need our

6:32

product Well, we need to convince them

6:35

they need our product Yeah, and I

6:37

don't even understand why companies like Doritos

6:39

or Pepsi even advertise anymore everyone on

6:41

earth knows what you are Yeah, is

6:43

that gonna change anybody? You don't have

6:45

to tell me that you're a thing

6:48

anymore. We're good. We got it I

6:50

did notice that Budweiser is really trying

6:52

to reclaim some ground Yeah, I thought

6:54

it was clever. Or maybe it was

6:56

the Corps light that was clever is

6:59

that you got a case of the

7:01

Mondays and their case of beer was

7:03

called The Mondays. Yeah. Yeah. On to

7:05

other things. So, Mark, while the game

7:07

was going on, you were studiously building

7:09

something, right? Well, Katie's folks always like

7:12

to do a Super Bowl thing. and

7:14

they cook well so I tend to

7:16

attend. This is the most reading I've

7:18

gotten done since I've had children. For

7:20

whatever reason, like I can go and

7:22

look in every corner of the house,

7:25

the children might not even be here

7:27

or they're actively engaged in something, and

7:29

then I can go and pick up

7:31

a book or a magazine and go

7:33

hide in a corner in a dark

7:35

closet somewhere. And the second I open

7:38

that thing, they can hear me start

7:40

to read and they just appear and

7:42

need something. read in years, but turns

7:44

out when everybody's actively engaged in gambling

7:46

over quarters and watching horrible marketing in

7:48

a silly game, I could sit in.

7:51

room with the

7:53

food and read and

7:55

eat and read

7:57

and eat until I

7:59

was in pain.

8:02

Nice. Yeah. That's what

8:04

I did for

8:06

the Super Bowl. Nice.

8:08

Sounds fun. Yeah. But

8:11

no, on to other

8:13

things. Let's see. Last week

8:15

we were supposed to get a storm

8:17

and our weatherman is never right. He's hopeful

8:19

at this point. He's crossing his fingers

8:21

that someday he can say snow and snow

8:23

will happen. But because he was predicting

8:25

something for Saturday, I needed a little bit

8:27

more firewood. I think I've got enough

8:29

now to finish out the rest of the

8:31

year, but I needed to go get

8:33

a load from the tree farm, so I

8:35

hooked up to the trailer on Friday

8:37

and drove to the tree farm and got a

8:39

load of firewood and parked it in the

8:41

barn, so I didn't have to throw it

8:43

down into the basement right then and there,

8:46

and it didn't get snowed on that way.

8:48

Oh, so it was already cut up and

8:50

split out at the tree farm? Yep. Just

8:52

stacked and ready to go out there. Out

8:54

at the tree farm, you have one of

8:56

those hydraulic lug splitters, don't you? Yeah, my

8:58

dad's got one that he has on the

9:00

three -point to his tractor. I'm going to

9:02

end up borrowing it to split some of

9:04

those two ashtrays I cut down a few

9:06

weeks ago, but yeah, for right now, that's

9:08

just one of the winter activities that

9:10

he likes to do is bundle up

9:12

and go out there and turn junk wood

9:14

into firewood. I

9:16

feel a little bit guilty showing up

9:19

and just all of the stuff

9:21

that my dad has meticulously cut and

9:23

stacked over the years now becomes

9:25

heat for my house, but he has

9:27

free time and enjoys doing it,

9:29

and he doesn't pick up the super

9:31

heavy logs. He deals with the medium

9:33

-sized ones, and that's probably good

9:35

for the 65 -year -old guy,

9:37

so yeah, I'd just go and

9:39

pick up stacked dried wood. So

9:41

between me and my dad

9:43

and my brother -in -law just around

9:46

here locally, we go through

9:48

a little bit of it, but we had, it

9:50

seemed like a 10 -year supply stacked up there,

9:52

and now it's just starting to come down, so

9:55

I'm thinking by next year we're going to

9:57

have to go intentionally cut down dead trees to

9:59

turn into firewood. which, that's a fun project

10:01

in itself. You

10:04

know, after we talked about you doing that

10:06

in Wyoming, someone reached out to me and

10:08

said that Kentucky has a similar program. So

10:10

when I get to where I'm burning wood,

10:12

I've got to look into that. Yeah,

10:14

that's a great program. It kind

10:17

of helps everybody out. So anyway,

10:19

got home with a load of firewood

10:21

and parked it in the barn and

10:23

figured I would throw it in the

10:25

basement when I needed it and settled

10:27

in for the storm to show up

10:29

and by the next morning there was

10:31

no snow. And

10:33

throughout all day Saturday when

10:35

the storm was really supposed to be taking

10:37

hold, our brown grass was covered enough to

10:39

turn it more like yellow. So

10:42

it wasn't enough to cover the grass,

10:44

it was just enough to make the grass

10:46

have to poke through a little

10:48

bit. It's just no snow. Florida

10:51

has had more snow than Southern

10:53

Minnesota has this year. That's

10:55

crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I

10:57

hope I can get home

10:59

when I'm supposed to fly tomorrow

11:01

after we're recording this. Georgetown

11:04

is expected tomorrow to get two to four

11:06

inches of snow. So

11:08

we'll see. Yeah, I was actually hoping

11:10

for it this time. We

11:13

can't get the middle ground. We can't

11:16

just get the happy amount of snow. It

11:18

was two years ago. It was so

11:20

much that deer showed up to kill all

11:22

my plants because they couldn't find food

11:24

anywhere else. And now it hasn't snowed

11:26

in two years. And I have the

11:28

fancy snowblower attached to the fancy tractor

11:30

ready to go and move snow. And

11:32

to do that sometimes is a lot

11:34

of fun. To do it every single

11:36

day for three and a half months

11:38

isn't fun. Yeah, I think I'm over

11:40

it at this point because basically all

11:42

of January we had snow on the

11:44

ground. We had snow for four weeks.

11:46

Yeah, I love clear and snow. I

11:48

love it. I just love

11:50

it. I don't know what's wrong with me.

11:52

Maybe I'm wired weird, but I have a,

11:54

I made a fairly decent snow thrower. It's

11:57

one of the two stages so it throws

11:59

it pretty far. and it drives itself

12:01

and I don't know, it's just

12:03

fun to go out there like when,

12:05

especially after you get like, you

12:07

know, six or seven inches of

12:09

snow overnight. And it's just throwing tons.

12:11

And it's just throwing it and

12:14

you can just carve these nice little

12:16

lanes right down your driveway. It's

12:18

like cutting through cake, you know?

12:20

It's just, it's really fun, I enjoy

12:22

it. And then my next door

12:24

neighbor, he

12:26

despises doing any kind of work outdoors.

12:29

So I like, don't mind if I

12:31

do. Yeah, so I do his driveway,

12:33

I do his walk. And then my

12:35

neighbors on the other side, they

12:37

just work so hard, both of them,

12:39

they work so hard, they're always gone.

12:41

And so I do their driveway. And

12:44

I'll end up doing, you know, probably,

12:46

sometimes I do like four or five

12:48

different driveways just to get my steps

12:50

in and get my exercise. It's a

12:52

lot of work. Surprisingly, you're not just

12:54

walking behind the thing. It's a lot

12:56

to muscle it around. It's kind of

12:58

like when you're using a tiller, you

13:00

know, you end up getting worked pretty

13:02

hard. Yeah, yeah, but I don't know.

13:04

There's just something about it. I really

13:06

enjoy it. I don't enjoy it because

13:08

I don't have a snow thur. So

13:10

it's all just shovel. Oh, forget it.

13:12

I couldn't do it then. Well,

13:18

Drew, you dropped a video since we

13:20

last talked and that was fun. All

13:22

those makers you were talking about are

13:24

two holders. Yeah, just kind of a

13:26

goofy video. I didn't really think, I

13:28

mean, at first I didn't even really

13:30

think I was gonna do it. It's

13:32

just like, you know what? I got

13:34

these new T -squares from Jessam and

13:36

I got to get them up on

13:38

the wall somehow. I wonder how I'm

13:40

gonna do that. And then they just

13:42

sort of sat there and

13:44

then Chris sent me all these saws.

13:46

I'm like, oh man, these saws are really

13:48

cool. I gotta figure out how I'm

13:50

gonna hang those up. I need to hang

13:53

those up in a nice way. And

13:55

those just sort of sat there. And then

13:57

Surf Prep sent me a new sander

13:59

and it's like, okay. Okay, I gotta get

14:01

to work here, putting these things

14:03

up, but now I've got three

14:05

different sets of tools. Yeah,

14:08

I guess that could be enough for a

14:10

video, and it really was, it was

14:12

like a 20 minute video, but

14:15

I made all these different kinds

14:17

of holders for these various

14:19

tools, and I just sort of

14:21

filmed my thought process and

14:23

went right through it. No plans or anything,

14:25

I just sort of figured it out

14:27

as I went along, and yeah, it

14:29

was enjoyable. It was a fun little

14:32

build, quick easy project, easy

14:34

edit, no plans, so I

14:36

could just throw the video out

14:38

there. I didn't think it

14:40

was gonna be all that well

14:42

received, but it was, people

14:44

really enjoyed it, just seeing me

14:46

build something goofy, and it

14:48

was kind of fun, a little refresher. You

14:50

were asking in the video which one

14:53

of the holders was your favorite. I think

14:55

mine ended up being the one for

14:57

the T -squares with the walnut on it,

14:59

I don't know, just turned out looking

15:01

really cool. Oh, how they

15:03

were like horizontal and all stacked up

15:05

on top of each other. I like

15:07

that one too. Yeah, they're kind of

15:09

offset so you could access each one.

15:11

Yeah, and then I did, for the

15:13

biggest T -square, I did that like sword

15:15

and the stone thing, and that was

15:17

sort of fun doing it, but boy,

15:19

what a mess that made out of

15:21

my shop. It's just through chips, absolutely

15:23

everywhere. I'm sure. But I got

15:26

lots of comments, they're like, that doesn't

15:28

look like a stone, that looks like

15:30

a giant turd, and it's like,

15:32

well, yeah, I guess. Put swords and

15:34

turds, that's fine. But

15:37

what's funny is in one of

15:39

the outtakes, I had just finished

15:41

carving it, and I'm like panning

15:43

the camera across it to say,

15:45

all right, here's what it ended up

15:47

looking like, and I had it

15:49

lifted up on a couple of those

15:51

little bench cookies. Well, when I

15:53

took the bench cookies out, I'm

15:56

like, oh my gosh, if I tip them

15:58

up on edge, they

16:00

look like wheels and then

16:02

it made the entire thing look

16:05

like a race car. I mean,

16:07

it looked exactly like Lightning McQueen.

16:09

Yeah, that's what I thought of

16:11

is Lightning McQueen. Yeah, it's like

16:13

I accidentally sculpted a perfect walnut

16:15

Lightning McQueen and I didn't even

16:17

mean to. So that was kind

16:19

of funny. You missed an opportunity

16:21

to say gachow. Yeah, that would

16:24

have been good. Well, you sent

16:26

us a preview of it so

16:28

we could kind of take a

16:30

look at it before the world

16:32

got to see it. And by

16:34

the time I went to watch it,

16:36

it was already gone because

16:38

you were having some 4K technical

16:40

difficulties. So what was your

16:42

experience like with 4K for the

16:45

first time? It was a

16:47

little frustrating. It was very

16:49

frustrating at times. So

16:51

the camera did fine.

16:53

The camera collected all

16:55

of that footage very

16:57

nicely but the files

16:59

are just absolutely huge.

17:02

And when I offload them

17:04

onto my computer, obviously it

17:06

takes like four times as long

17:08

to just get them off

17:10

of your memory card. That's fine.

17:12

I think it took like

17:14

55 minutes for me to just

17:17

get the files off of

17:19

my memory card onto my computer.

17:21

And I mean, it's a

17:23

128 gig little SD card.

17:25

And it was completely full.

17:27

So it took forever to

17:29

get those files off of

17:32

there. Granted, I think I'm

17:34

not using my fastest USB

17:36

port on my computer. I

17:38

could have sped that up.

17:40

But the issue was really

17:43

my editor. So I use

17:45

Sony Vegas and I highly

17:47

recommend nobody ever used that

17:49

program because it's just not

17:51

as good as like

17:53

Adobe Premiere or

17:56

Final Cut or any

17:58

of the other ones. Unfortunately,

18:00

it's the only one I know.

18:02

And I've tried to learn other

18:04

ones, but I just can't, I

18:06

just can't do it. My brain

18:08

just doesn't let me do it.

18:10

The issue is that when I

18:12

would drag these files into the

18:14

editor, they're just so massive that

18:16

the little preview window was so choppy.

18:18

It was like trying

18:20

to edit a movie, but

18:22

only seeing it as a slideshow

18:24

as you're editing it. So not

18:26

good. Yeah, it makes editing really

18:28

difficult when the files and the

18:31

footage is that big. It needs

18:33

to stuff it all into memory.

18:35

And I have 32 gig of

18:37

RAM in my editing PC. Which

18:39

is no slouch. I thought that

18:41

would be good enough, but evidently

18:43

not. And the video card I

18:45

had, I mean, at the time,

18:47

it was, it wasn't the state

18:49

of the art, but it was

18:51

pretty high end. It was

18:53

definitely expensive. It was like the

18:56

video card itself cost as

18:58

much as the entire rest of

19:00

the computer combined. So the

19:02

video card was a decent one,

19:04

but it's still not enough for

19:06

what I'm trying to do in

19:08

4K. So all of that said,

19:10

I finished the movie and I

19:12

rendered it and I put it

19:14

out on YouTube. And I think

19:16

I showed part of it to

19:19

my brother. He came over and

19:21

he's like, oh, so you

19:23

had to like render this in

19:25

4K or something? And I thought,

19:28

oh my gosh, I

19:30

just filmed and edited the entire

19:32

thing in 4K, but I rendered

19:34

it in 1080p. So

19:37

that's why it disappeared off of

19:40

YouTube is because that became clear to

19:42

me. Cause I'm looking at YouTube

19:44

thinking, how come I can't upscale this

19:46

to 4K? You know, when you

19:48

originally start a video, it's like really

19:50

grainy and fuzzy. And then all

19:52

of a sudden it's like - It's

19:54

trying to autoplay at whatever resolution your

19:56

connection will allow. Right, and then

19:58

the resolution jumps up. to whatever

20:00

it can. And I looked at

20:02

the little gear down there. I

20:05

clicked on the gear and

20:07

it's like, yeah, right now

20:09

it's playing at 720, you

20:11

could bump it up to

20:13

1080, but there was nothing

20:15

beyond that. And I'm like,

20:17

how come there's nothing beyond

20:19

that? This is a 4K thing. And

20:22

that's when my brother was

20:24

like, do you need to

20:26

render it a different way?

20:28

And I'm like, yep. That's

20:30

what it was. So I

20:32

found the rendering, what do you

20:34

call that, Kodak? The coder,

20:36

encoder. So I rendered it

20:39

to 4K 50 something frames

20:41

a second. I don't

20:43

remember exactly. It's 60 when

20:46

I watched it. I think it's

20:48

like 59.5 frames a second or

20:50

something like that. Is that what

20:52

you guys do? No, I shoot

20:54

it. I do 24 frames per

20:56

second. Well, when I record in

20:58

4K, that's what I do, but

21:01

when I rendered it, I rendered

21:03

it in like 50 something frames

21:05

a second. I don't know if

21:07

that matters. Which kind of doubled

21:09

the size of it then? Probably,

21:11

because the final video was over

21:13

5 gig. Yeah. Goodness. Is that

21:15

bigger than what you guys normally

21:18

see? Yeah, I don't shoot in true

21:20

4K. My let's see if about a

21:22

20 minute video in 4k is

21:24

probably natively ready to be about

21:26

six gigs But then I click

21:28

a few boxes and adjust a

21:31

few sliders and I usually get

21:33

it to about half that because

21:35

for YouTube It just doesn't need

21:37

to be that good. What's bizarre

21:39

though is I uploaded it to

21:42

YouTube. YouTube processes it somehow and

21:44

then you can download a copy

21:46

like a backup copy of the

21:48

video off of YouTube and I

21:50

downloaded it from YouTube into

21:53

my backup folder and

21:55

it was like I don't know

21:57

600 meg but it was still

21:59

for K I don't

22:01

it's compressed somehow yeah I think

22:03

YouTube has some kind of compression

22:05

software that just punches your files in

22:08

the face yeah I wouldn't keep that

22:10

one as the backup I'd render another one

22:12

if you wanted a backup I don't

22:14

do that I just keep the YouTube one

22:16

because I figured if I ever lose

22:18

it off of YouTube and I need to

22:20

upload it well I'm just gonna

22:22

upload the one that YouTube gave

22:24

me I mean that's the one

22:26

that they're showing everybody is that

22:28

exact one so anyways that's the

22:30

story of that video it's out

22:32

there it's performing mediocre right now

22:34

I think it was like six

22:36

out of ten and I think

22:38

maybe it bumped up to five

22:40

out of ten overnight but what's

22:42

neat is Jessum reached out

22:44

to me I posted out on

22:46

Instagram a little clip of

22:48

me doing just the the

22:50

T -squares the three the one

22:53

that you were talking about Bruce

22:55

and I tagged Jessum and he

22:57

messaged me privately and he's like

22:59

this was so cool our our

23:01

staff really got a kick out

23:03

of watching this whole thing do

23:05

you mind if I link this video

23:07

in our next newsletter to everybody

23:09

I'm like no I don't mind

23:11

it on and so I think

23:13

he's gonna do that hopefully it

23:15

gets another little bump that would

23:17

be kind of fun yeah I'll

23:19

have to kind of maybe reach out

23:21

to Chris and hopefully you know he's

23:23

getting some sales from this all and surf

23:25

prep that they didn't even know I

23:28

was doing this so I'll reach out to

23:30

them as well and who knows maybe

23:32

they'll link it in some newsletters as well

23:34

I thought

23:36

about something after you're asking

23:38

us about how it was not

23:40

rendering your previews and stuff

23:42

when you're editing I know in

23:45

Final Cut Pro and I

23:47

think in Premiere you can tell

23:49

it to remember what they

23:51

call it but it's basically like

23:53

a proxy file so when you're

23:55

editing it doesn't need the

23:57

full 4k file to show you

23:59

the little preview in the

24:02

timeline and that way you don't

24:04

get that stutter or that

24:06

you know some of that. So

24:08

you may look for I

24:10

think it's called render proxy files

24:12

or proxy render files something

24:14

like that. I saw like there's

24:16

something called real -time render and

24:19

I don't know what that's

24:21

for. I have lowered the quality

24:23

of my little preview window

24:25

all the way down and I've

24:27

allocated a bunch of RAM

24:29

just to the preview window and

24:31

no matter what I do

24:33

it was really difficult it's it

24:36

was only getting like maybe

24:38

around three to four frames a

24:40

second the preview window was.

24:42

Are you on Sony Vegas Pro?

24:44

Yeah I think they actually

24:46

stopped calling it Sony Vegas it's

24:48

made by Sony it's just

24:50

Vegas Pro and I'm using version

24:53

20 because I found out

24:55

if I upgrade then it stops

24:57

being able to use MOV

24:59

files and there was some things

25:01

that you could do to

25:03

get it to use MOV files

25:05

again but I tried those

25:07

and I just could not get

25:10

it to work. So yeah

25:12

you're gonna want to try this

25:14

because it's what I was

25:16

thinking I just looked it up

25:18

proxy files in Sony Vegas

25:20

Pro are low resolution copies of

25:22

the original video files so

25:24

that you're able to edit it

25:27

in real time so it

25:29

basically creates a little temporary low

25:31

res just for your editing

25:33

and but it doesn't affect like

25:35

when you go to render

25:37

you can still choose whatever codec

25:39

and size to render but

25:41

it will it'll help those previews

25:43

not be so laggy. Oh

25:46

that's cool yeah send me over

25:48

that link and I will

25:50

give that a read okay appreciate

25:52

it. I kind of think

25:54

too we need to just start

25:56

pressuring you to use a

25:58

real software you have a tendency

26:00

like our history has been

26:03

you are setting your ways you

26:05

dig your heels in and

26:07

you will never change like SketchUp

26:09

you will absolutely never go

26:11

away from SketchUp and now you will

26:13

never you sketch up again because you found a better one.

26:15

That's true. I remember you saying 4K is stupid. I never

26:17

need to do 4K. Yeah. I'm never gonna have a 4K

26:20

camera. Yeah. It's unnecessary. And here you are. And here I

26:22

am. And I don't. Well, you know, that's, there's a lot

26:24

of truth to that Mark. And it's

26:26

what I know. It's what it.

26:28

It's what I'm going to use

26:30

and I don't really foresee myself

26:32

learning anything new. And then I

26:35

would run into headache after headache,

26:37

and sometimes it would be such

26:39

a headache that I would be thinking,

26:41

all right, you know what, maybe today's

26:43

a day. Maybe I just grin and

26:45

bear it and get something new

26:47

and I would install Da Vinci

26:50

Resolve. and then I would start

26:52

fiddling around with that thinking, oh

26:54

my gosh. Yeah, I remember you

26:56

messed with that. Oh my gosh,

26:58

it was such a learning curve,

27:00

and then it was like, wait

27:02

a minute, okay, I figured out how

27:04

to do it, but it's like three times

27:06

more difficult to use

27:08

this one than it is

27:10

Vegas. because they don't have the

27:12

shortcuts here and they don't

27:14

have the shortcuts there. And then

27:17

I even went and installed

27:19

some macro software so that I

27:21

could program macros so that it

27:24

could sort of behave the

27:26

same way that Vegas did.

27:28

And I was still having

27:30

issues. So I eventually just

27:32

reverted back. What I need to

27:34

do, I think, is just go

27:37

to something which I know will work

27:39

really well. Adobe Premier, or I

27:41

need to do something like that,

27:43

but now we're talking about, I

27:45

know that they make it for

27:47

PC, but I think it's sort of

27:49

meant to run on a Mac and...

27:51

No, I would say it's more PC,

27:53

Final Cup Pro is Mac, but

27:55

I would say Premier, more people

27:57

use it on PC. Oh, okay.

28:00

Okay. That's interesting. Because it's

28:02

an Adobe product. I've used

28:04

Adobe for everything since I

28:06

was 14 years old and

28:08

a rich kid in high

28:10

school gave me a bootleg

28:12

copy of Photoshop 7 or something

28:14

like that. And I learned

28:16

Photoshop and went, okay, this is

28:18

good. And then I

28:20

got to college and

28:22

all of the Adobe products as a

28:24

student were just available to me.

28:27

So I kind of learned Illustrator and

28:29

InDesign as well Photoshop. And then

28:31

when it was time to just learn

28:33

a video editing, it's like, all

28:35

right, this only makes sense.

28:37

It's already part of this. And

28:39

they work so seamlessly together.

28:41

So I recommend Adobe stuff because

28:44

you can find one of their

28:46

softwares to do anything you ever

28:48

need to do, design or audio

28:50

or video and it all works

28:52

together and it's meant to work

28:54

together. behave similarly. Right. Not

28:56

to say that that's what you have

28:58

to go use, but I haven't

29:00

ever used anything else because it all

29:02

works. I've never had any complaints

29:04

with it. And then in hindsight, I

29:06

think, well, I mean, shoot,

29:08

I've been doing this. How

29:11

long now with Vegas? And

29:13

it's gotten me this far

29:15

and the quality of my

29:17

videos is, I mean, they're

29:19

okay. I'd argue that they're

29:21

pretty good. Do I really

29:23

want to go put myself

29:25

through the effort of not just

29:27

purchasing something brand new, but

29:29

learning something brand new because how

29:31

much longer am I even

29:33

going to be doing this? I

29:36

don't, I don't know. I

29:38

mean, I may only be making

29:40

videos for another year. I

29:43

don't, I don't know. I'd like to

29:45

think that it's going to be even

29:47

longer than that, but I mean, let's

29:49

be realistic. I just don't. I don't

29:51

know anything could happen.

29:54

So if I'm only going

29:56

to be doing this for another, let's say

29:58

two to three years. Is it really

30:00

worth it to buy

30:03

something brand spanking new, put

30:06

myself through the ringer

30:08

with learning at all, just

30:10

to crank out another

30:13

few dozen movies where

30:15

what I have is probably

30:17

more than adequate? I

30:19

don't know. I

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30:49

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30:52

and see my machine, I might just go

30:54

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projects that are going to involve

31:14

my Onefinity here pretty

31:16

soon, nothing that I plan

31:19

on filming, I might

31:21

do some pictures or reels

31:23

for Instagram, but that'll

31:25

be it. I'm making a

31:27

couple beer flights that

31:29

I'm going to give away

31:31

as a gift. We

31:33

got these little tiny mason

31:35

jars, really, really tiny, like maybe

31:37

one -third or one -quarter the

31:39

size and they came in sets

31:41

of six and we bought

31:44

a couple sets of those and

31:46

I'm going to make a few

31:48

beer flights where they've got

31:50

like pockets for the circle

31:52

pockets for these things to

31:54

fit down in and I'll

31:57

do like rows of four.

32:00

And I don't know if I'm

32:02

going to make him like with handles

32:04

or if I'm going to laser anything

32:06

on there as well, but those are

32:09

going to be some pieces that I

32:11

just design up real quick and V-carve

32:13

Pro and then cut out on the

32:16

One Finney, so that'll be nice.

32:18

And then the other project is

32:20

going to be for a friend at

32:22

church. He is a super big Star

32:24

Wars nerd and he has gone down

32:27

to Disney. What is it Land or

32:29

World? World? Disney World to the big

32:31

Star Wars thing down there and he's

32:34

purchased the different lightsavers that you can

32:36

get and he wants to make a

32:38

really cool display for his lightsabers. I'm

32:41

like, oh, well, yeah, we could design

32:43

something like that on, have the One

32:45

Trinity cut that out. He's like, all

32:48

right, well, I like this one.

32:50

This one's got this really cool

32:52

Star Wars pattern behind it. And I'm

32:54

like, oh, yeah, that'd be kind of

32:56

neat. We could fill that in with

32:59

clear epoxy and then flatten it. to

33:01

the point where we can kind of

33:03

expose that pattern and then you can

33:06

put LED lights underneath it so that

33:08

it like lights up through the pattern.

33:10

He's like, oh yeah, it's gonna be

33:13

awesome. Yeah, and then we'll have like

33:15

a little stand or something that his

33:17

lightsaber sits on on top of

33:19

that. So a couple neat projects

33:21

coming down the line for the One

33:24

infinity. And yeah, like those things. Those

33:26

machines are amazing. They'll just crank it

33:28

out in no time. Yeah, that's kind

33:31

of next on my things, list of

33:33

things to do is to really put

33:35

mine to work. I've got the gun

33:38

show coming up, so I'm going to

33:40

make loader boards and gun stands and

33:42

stuff like that and really, really put

33:45

that thing through its paces, I think.

33:47

I was actually just this week inside

33:49

of easel because the last few

33:51

years, all of my five.

33:53

are just in there

33:56

and I can

33:58

go in there and

34:01

hit start and

34:03

put it to work and I'm

34:05

not using EZL anymore. So

34:07

I was just in there and

34:09

I printed out just on paper the

34:11

diagram of what I am printing and then

34:14

I would go in and find the depths

34:16

of things that I have adjusted to be

34:18

really precise over the last few years you

34:20

know like that loader board has to have

34:22

very specific depths to it to make it

34:24

work correctly and so I was just going

34:26

in getting my information out of EZL so

34:28

that I can switch it to VCarve Pro

34:30

this year. That's a good idea. And VCarve

34:32

is great but I've only used it two

34:35

or three times at this point so

34:37

I just I'm not good at it

34:39

yet. So I'm kind of afraid of

34:41

the relearning curve one more time but

34:43

after this series of projects I should

34:45

be pretty close to an expert I

34:47

think. Yeah it'd be awesome and then

34:49

the more you do that it'll be

34:51

easier and easier because then your files

34:53

will already be set up you know

34:56

for the new software. Right in fact

34:58

it should be stored inside of the

35:00

controller inside of my fancy machine now

35:02

so all I have to do is

35:04

set up the piece and hit start again and I won't

35:06

even have to transfer information. What kind

35:08

of I mean how many files can you

35:10

hold in that thing do you know? I

35:12

have no idea. Because I think my laser

35:14

in the controller will only hold a hundred.

35:16

I know you can you know there's the

35:18

USB port where you can move it from your

35:20

computer to that if you want to do it

35:22

that way mine is supposed to actually be able

35:24

to work over Wi -Fi and I should be able

35:26

to send information to it and I've never been

35:28

able to get that to work but you can

35:30

also crack open the screen and there's a port

35:32

on the inside where you could plug a USB

35:34

and leave it in there so I think I

35:36

could make a huge amount of storage just

35:39

by putting a bigger thumb drive on it.

35:41

Oh yeah and that's easy

35:43

enough. Right. That's cool. Yesterday

35:50

here helping my dad so

35:53

I came to Mississippi

35:55

because my dad was

35:57

having a stint put in

35:59

to one of his

36:01

arteries and heart so luckily that all went

36:04

well everything's fine he's feeling better it's outpatient

36:06

now oh wow isn't that crazy they go in

36:08

through his wrist all the way to his heart

36:10

wow and he's home in like I don't

36:12

know this time it was like six or

36:14

eight hours something like that it's

36:16

bizarre yeah and he pretty he

36:19

was having some chest pains and

36:21

stuff because that artery did have

36:23

some blockage since then he's doing

36:25

a lot better and the doctor's like I

36:27

think you're gonna feel a lot better and

36:29

sure enough his chest isn't hurting pretty much

36:32

immediately and imagine that when when blood is

36:34

flowing but my mom had surgery on her

36:36

hand in two different places she had robot

36:38

arthritis on her thumb and then kind of

36:40

some issues with nerves and carpal tunnel kind

36:42

of issues so that's been major that was

36:44

six weeks ago so they're just a pair

36:46

I'm here just kind of helping them out

36:48

doing a bunch of stuff around here just

36:50

kind of being available Yesterday, it was

36:52

kind of drizzling rain and stuff in

36:54

the morning, so I was like, what

36:56

are we going to do? Something inside?

36:59

What are we getting into? So we

37:01

decided, oh, let's go up in the attic.

37:03

And that's like a museum up there,

37:05

and my parents' attic. You know, my dad,

37:07

I don't think he's ever thrown anything

37:09

away, ever. That's where I get it

37:11

from. But we found all kinds of stuff

37:13

up there and some of the stuff it's

37:15

like, yeah, it's time to just let this

37:17

go. We haven't used it in 30 years,

37:20

it's about time. So I've spent probably two,

37:22

three hours just dragging down boxes and different,

37:24

like big speaker towers that were from the,

37:26

I don't know, 70s probably that he hasn't

37:28

used since we've, they've lived here almost 40

37:30

years. They've just came here and went in

37:32

the attic and went in the attic. So

37:35

I thought. Let me take pictures, that's actually

37:37

something somebody might buy because the speaker boxes

37:39

have that vintage look, you know, with the

37:42

screens on them and stuff, so some, I'm

37:44

sure the speakers aren't good anymore, but I'm

37:46

sure somebody, some audio file will swap those

37:48

out, put new speakers in them, and like

37:51

the look of it. Yeah. So we took some

37:53

pictures of that, I'll probably get my

37:55

brother's wife that lives here to list

37:57

them, she's good at throwing stuff on

37:59

marketplace. there were a couple other things like

38:01

that and then obviously some things like

38:03

why is it why is this here? He

38:05

and I went to the dump this

38:07

morning before we were recorded. We loaded up

38:09

a truck full of just stuff. Some

38:11

of it was he had a bunch of

38:14

paintings from a class or two

38:16

that he took in college. Wow.

38:18

And my dad's 80. So

38:20

they've been up there a while and some of them

38:22

weren't even complete. He was like, yeah, these weren't even

38:24

complete. I don't even like the paintings. I was like,

38:26

can we get rid of them? He

38:28

was like, yeah, let's let's take him down.

38:31

And when he says, yeah, you work

38:33

fast, it's like, okay, let's move these on

38:35

some of them on some things. Yeah,

38:37

because I was making a pile here in

38:39

their mudroom yesterday was Sunday and the

38:41

dump wasn't open. I'm like, dang it,

38:43

the longer this stuff sits here, the

38:45

more he's gonna pick it this pile

38:47

and reclaim it. And a couple things

38:49

got pulled back out. And I'm like,

38:51

all right, whatever. It's still a win.

38:53

But their house was built in the

38:55

early 60s. And it had those in

38:58

wall electric heaters. You've probably seen those

39:00

in some old houses. They've

39:02

replaced a couple of them just they weren't

39:04

working right or they're pretty dang dangerous

39:06

anyway. But this was one

39:08

of those heater units that

39:10

was sitting up in the attic for who knows

39:12

how long and he was like, actually, there are

39:14

a couple more in the barn, we were able

39:16

to find one. So we went down there on

39:18

the way before we went to the dump and

39:20

dug it I dug it out of the barn

39:22

and threw it in the truck and took a

39:24

whole load this morning. So that was nice to

39:26

just kind of pare down some things and get

39:28

rid of, you know, it's it's always

39:31

tough for people who are

39:33

really sentimental and hold on to a lot of things.

39:35

It's just hard for them to let go of

39:37

stuff. I mean, I can relate to it because I'm

39:39

that way. But I'm trying to

39:41

not hold every little, you know,

39:43

scrap of paper and this and

39:45

that. But it's always like, Drew,

39:47

you're not that way. You just throw everything away. And

39:50

that's how my mom is. My mom's like, I'm

39:52

over this. I'm done. And she just moves on. But

39:54

my dad is like me. It's like, I

39:57

might use this sometime and, you know,

39:59

set it aside. And there's a certain

40:01

thing to that. He grew up really

40:03

poor and stuff was hard to come

40:05

by. You don't get stuff, so you

40:07

hold on to your stuff. Yeah. And

40:10

I don't think he's ever been able

40:12

to shake that. You know what I

40:14

mean? They, he and my mom were

40:16

middle class. They weren't poor. They were

40:19

both college educated, but he just, he

40:21

couldn't ever let go of that mentality

40:23

of we. you know it's perfectly fine

40:25

let's let's use this and let's keep

40:27

using it and it's fine if you're

40:30

using it but if it's sitting in

40:32

the attic for 40 years it's time

40:34

for it to go exactly yeah if

40:36

something's sitting for just two years I

40:39

cut a loose yeah I mean I

40:41

agree anyway it was good to get

40:43

some of that done for them you

40:45

know they can't get up and crawling

40:47

that but man my back is screaming

40:50

at me today because Their attic I

40:52

can't stand fully up in and so

40:54

you're like you're hunched over a little

40:56

bit You're like half been over the

40:59

whole time at your lower back and

41:01

this morning my back is just like

41:03

oh you wanted to do something today?

41:05

No, you're gonna have pain pain It's

41:07

uh, it's it's good to be able

41:10

to help them. I've picked up so

41:12

many sticks. They have all these big

41:14

mature pecan trees and oak trees and

41:16

stuff and With them both kind of

41:19

being on the on the outs with

41:21

health just in the last few weeks

41:23

It's the whole yard is just full

41:25

of all these Twigs, you know, so

41:27

I think I've started two or three

41:30

fires on the bonfire And they have

41:32

a golf cart and I'll just ride

41:34

to an area and like pick up

41:36

a load of sticks and go toss

41:39

it on the burn pile and I'll

41:41

go to another area and just pick

41:43

up sticks and toss it and toss

41:45

it I've probably burnt six or eight

41:47

loads by now six or eight loads

41:50

by now It's a pain, but makes

41:52

them happy. So it's fun. Yeah I

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That's pretty, pretty good. Yeah, it's

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and good luck. Well,

45:10

I got an email

45:12

the other day and

45:16

it was from my website.

45:18

So there is a contact me

45:20

form that you need to fill

45:22

out. Once you click on

45:24

the contact me, it takes you over

45:26

to another page. It says, please read

45:28

through all of this stuff before you

45:30

actually click and send me a note

45:33

because all this other stuff usually, it

45:35

answers like 99 % of the questions

45:37

that I used to get through this.

45:39

Where's my table? Right. And

45:42

I got this email

45:44

sent to me and it was

45:46

just the subject line said, jig plants. And

45:49

the message says, I

45:51

watched you video

45:53

regarding making circle with

45:55

Bench saw and was

45:57

impressed. So I decided to.

45:59

by the plans. So

46:02

just off of that. Bench

46:04

law, I haven't heard of

46:06

that one. A bench saw.

46:08

Yeah, I'm thinking he's talking

46:10

about a table saw and

46:12

he's said jig plans, making

46:14

a circle. So I'm thinking

46:16

he's talking about my circle

46:18

jig on the table saw.

46:20

So it continues on. It

46:22

says, all I have is

46:24

picture of jig. No plan

46:26

drawings, no dimensions, just sketch

46:28

of jig. I had picture

46:30

from your video. What good

46:32

is just picture? The biggest

46:34

con going, plain robbery, $9

46:36

something in my currency, you're

46:38

a con man and I

46:40

let people know I'm worse

46:42

than disappointed. Did you check

46:45

your email? Well,

46:47

that's what I was wondering.

46:49

I mean, he didn't specify anything

46:51

beyond that. I have no

46:53

record of the sale or he

46:55

didn't, I don't know what

46:57

his issue was. I

46:59

got another email from him

47:02

30 minutes later. grief.

47:04

Sorry, nevermind. It just

47:07

said, subject your website. Messages,

47:10

I have just wrote you

47:12

about giving picture instead of

47:14

fully laden plans. I

47:17

followed your on -screen instruction

47:19

regarding downloading plans and

47:21

your website pointed me to

47:23

a download area where

47:25

it advertised the plan to

47:28

download. I ticked

47:30

the box and it came

47:32

up saying you download is

47:34

ready and it gave link

47:36

which I downloaded. All I

47:38

got was picture and it

47:40

said thanks for downloading. What

47:42

one picture? About

47:44

half a hour later, you

47:46

send me email giving another link

47:48

to original plans. Your website

47:51

is not user friendly. In fact,

47:53

it's confusing. It should state

47:55

that the main link to the

47:57

download will be sent. email

47:59

instead it took me off and

48:01

allowed me to download what

48:03

I thought was the main download

48:05

a picture only. Trump

48:08

didn't design it did he? That

48:11

was the second

48:13

message. So what I'm gathering

48:15

is that he chose

48:17

to purchase the plans and

48:19

then he right clicked

48:22

and clicked save image on

48:24

the actual picture of the

48:26

jig that I that

48:28

was on the page and

48:30

he thought that that

48:32

was the plans so no

48:34

that's not the plan this

48:37

is probably the first

48:39

time I've ever gotten an

48:41

email from somebody that

48:43

well in Mark's words has

48:45

no idea how to internet this

48:47

guy's just really bad at

48:49

internetting. He doesn't internet too well.

48:51

He does not well. What

48:54

a dummy. But there's no way

48:56

to no way to protect

48:58

against against those kind of fellas.

49:00

Yeah the other problem with

49:02

it is I don't care what

49:04

language you speak I truly don't but

49:06

if the product you're trying to buy

49:08

is not in your native language and

49:10

you might just be getting confused by

49:12

what's going on don't

49:15

come out swinging. Yeah. If

49:17

he's having a problem ask a question and

49:19

you'd be happy to solve it. Well exactly. If

49:21

you'll work through a language barrier and get

49:23

it but if he's just going to yell at

49:25

you for being a shyster it's like I

49:27

can't help you with this. Yeah

49:30

I never even

49:32

replied to him because how can

49:34

I I mean he it sounds to

49:36

me like he's just an angry man

49:38

and he's been already like he said

49:40

he came out swinging I'm not interested

49:42

in engaging with that. Like if you

49:44

had his actual name and you could

49:46

go on your website and prove that

49:48

he ordered the thing and maybe he's

49:50

just having trouble in the receiving it

49:52

side of things then you reply to

49:54

that email with the PDF and don't

49:56

even say a word and then it's

49:58

just done. Yeah. Yeah, but I

50:00

think he was just looking for a

50:02

fight. So, at least he got the

50:05

plans. He ended up getting it because

50:07

then he came back and instead of

50:09

apologizing for saying, yeah, sorry, I actually

50:11

did get the plan. Yeah, the fault

50:13

was still my fault. So, whatever. And

50:15

he's the only one that I've received

50:17

an email that has ever done what

50:19

he did. in how many years, eight

50:21

years that I've been doing this. So

50:23

I don't feel bad. I went the

50:25

other day to my sister's new house.

50:27

They're building a house here out a

50:29

little bit from where they live now.

50:32

Oh yeah, those look fine. But they

50:34

they're up through... sheet right now. They've

50:36

got all their windows and doors in.

50:38

The trim guy, trim carpenter was just

50:40

starting to build like window jams and

50:42

casings and that kind of stuff. She

50:44

was wanting to kind of walk me

50:46

through a few of her like shelving

50:48

things in kitchen and pantry and get

50:50

my opinion on some things she was

50:52

doing because she needed to make a

50:54

decision for the builder. in her pantry

50:56

it's a nice big long pantry and

50:58

she's gonna have this long I think

51:01

it's about a 12 foot long countertop

51:03

that's just gonna be butcher block you

51:05

know if I lived here I'd probably

51:07

insist to try to make the butcher

51:09

block for but some of those options

51:11

from Lowe's or Home Depot are pretty

51:13

good and you can get them in

51:15

multiple species like you can buy a

51:17

walnut butcher block a 10-footer or a

51:19

12-footer for I don't know six or

51:21

eight hundred dollars and it's done so

51:23

it's pretty good I told her to

51:25

just go that route for the countertop

51:28

and then she was just talking about

51:30

probably some painted shelves or cubbies kind

51:32

of open up above that for pantry

51:34

storage and she was like I'll just

51:36

shut the door to the pantry and

51:38

then nobody can see it. Well she

51:40

keeps a really tidy pantry anyway and

51:42

I think and she was not trying

51:44

to make it you know show ready

51:46

but I know her and I know

51:48

it would she would feel better if

51:50

that door got left open or if

51:52

she wanted to show

51:55

somebody your pantry or

51:57

whatever if it

51:59

just looked a little

52:01

bit nicer she

52:03

would you know instead

52:05

of so utilitarian

52:07

so I was talking to her about it

52:09

and just saying you know if you

52:11

did she has kind of a dark green

52:13

cabinet color that she's going with real light

52:15

light gray wall and I said you know

52:17

walnut would look real good with that dark

52:19

green it would be kind of a chocolatey

52:21

brown color she was kind of I pulled

52:23

up some pictures and she was like yeah

52:25

I think I would kind of like that

52:28

but anyway we got to talking about doing

52:30

some open shelving she was like as long

52:32

as it could hold a decent amount I'd

52:34

be fine with it I said then why don't

52:36

we just do like walnut

52:38

hardwood open shelves three banks

52:40

of three you'll have slightly less like

52:42

12 inches less shelves than you would if

52:44

you just built one solid shelf all the way

52:46

across or two and it would look so

52:48

nice it would tie into your countertop and then

52:50

you know it could be functional and look

52:52

good and every time you come in here you'll

52:54

like it too and she thought about it

52:56

for a while and she was fine like yeah

52:58

I really like this so I'll probably end

53:00

up doing that this summer sometime they'll only be

53:02

40 inches long so one time that we

53:04

make a trip back here you know I can

53:06

have those made and just bring them yeah

53:08

and she just wants to install them on like

53:10

some heavy -duty brackets or something like that

53:13

and I think it'll look real sharp

53:15

that's what Danny has been

53:17

asking for years now she's like

53:19

I want you to redo my pantry

53:21

because that's like one of the only

53:23

places left in the house that we

53:25

still have those wire shelves in there

53:27

I hate those I hate those things

53:29

too and when Mason was little he

53:31

used to climb on them so some of

53:33

them are like sort of torn out

53:36

of the wall it's just gotten bad but

53:39

I've always just been

53:41

delaying it it's like man

53:43

because then we got to empty

53:46

that whole room I got

53:48

to redo those walls and and

53:50

she's like yeah and I sort of want Wayne's

53:52

coating up you know kind of like a with a

53:54

chair rail thing that kind of goes around but

53:56

not a chair rail obviously there won't be any chairs

53:58

in there but She wants the

54:01

wanes coating to go around and

54:03

she thought maybe a set of

54:05

cabinets all the way in the

54:07

rear so that we can put

54:09

some of the appliances on there.

54:11

And I'm like, yeah, but we

54:13

don't have any power running there.

54:15

So now I have to run

54:17

power. And it would be a

54:19

big project. But concerning the shelves,

54:21

she was thinking walnut as well.

54:23

And you're right, Bruce. It would

54:25

look really sharp in there. Danny

54:27

actually wants the front to be

54:29

live edge. So like to square

54:31

off the back so they sit

54:33

flat against the wall but then

54:35

for the front to be live

54:37

and then as a support instead

54:39

of having them on you know

54:41

supported by gussets to actually have

54:43

some kind of I don't know

54:45

what the word would be like

54:47

a like a branch support you

54:49

know from a walnut tree to

54:51

actually have a stripped branch and

54:53

use that as a pillar to

54:55

go up to kind of hold

54:57

them and secure them and I'm

54:59

like oh that would that would

55:01

be very interesting looking I don't

55:04

be kind of different yeah be

55:06

very different I don't know if

55:08

that would end up looking really

55:10

good if that would sort of

55:12

clash I don't know but that's

55:14

what she wants and it's like

55:16

mmm that is turning into quite

55:18

a sizable project and so far

55:20

I've been successful in procrastinating and

55:22

not doing that. Just keep telling

55:24

her it's interesting to see how

55:26

long that last. Yeah, it's interesting.

55:28

Yeah, let me think about it.

55:30

Yeah, I'll have to think about

55:32

it. Yeah, I'll do some drawings.

55:34

Yeah, lately I have just redid

55:36

a desk that my dad built

55:38

over 30 years ago. So my

55:40

brother... brought this desk over to

55:42

my place because he actually reached

55:44

out to me and he said,

55:46

hey, do you have a sander

55:48

I can borrow? And I said,

55:50

the only sander I have that's

55:52

portable. is a

55:54

battery operated one.

55:56

What are you

55:58

sanding? He's like,

56:00

I want to

56:02

redo that desk

56:04

that dad made. It's

56:07

like, oh, can you take

56:10

it apart? I don't know how he

56:12

built that thing. Can you break it

56:14

down into pieces and then bring the

56:16

pieces over? And then we could just

56:18

use my good sander in my shop.

56:20

Well, that's what he ended up doing.

56:22

He broke it all down into pieces,

56:24

which is I mean, it was amazing that

56:27

it just came apart. This

56:29

is like a riding desk

56:31

type? This is like a

56:33

computer desk. It used to even, when

56:36

my dad built it, it was a

56:38

sit down computer desk and it

56:40

had like a keyboard tray that you

56:42

could pull out from underneath the

56:45

desk surface. And then on top, there

56:47

was even like, what would you

56:49

call it, a hutch or a set

56:51

of shelves that would kind of

56:53

go up above that would sit

56:55

on it. But that has since

56:57

been disconnected from the desk and I

56:59

think that's somewhere down in

57:01

my mother's basement storage or something.

57:03

We haven't been using that or

57:06

he hasn't been using that for

57:08

years. But the desk itself,

57:10

he's had since

57:12

he first moved out.

57:14

And it's got all

57:16

these scratches and scars from,

57:18

you know, his kids growing. I

57:21

mean, he had four kids

57:23

and they're like the front corner

57:25

of the desk was literally gnawed

57:27

on. He said, yeah, my,

57:29

my son, when he was like

57:31

three or something would stand

57:33

right here at the corner while

57:35

I was working and put

57:38

his teeth on the corner of

57:40

the desk and gnaw on the

57:42

corner and all the finish was

57:44

gone and it was just completely

57:46

rounded over. So, I mean,

57:48

it had all kinds of crazy

57:51

scars from over the years. And

57:53

I said, okay, here is

57:55

your sander. Here's some 80

57:57

grit. Go to town. And

57:59

he Was that a nice surf

58:01

prep sander by the way? It

58:03

was a very nice surf prep

58:05

sander. So he went down through

58:07

all these layers of poly and

58:09

got down to the bare wood

58:11

and removed the stain as well.

58:13

So it was just the beautiful

58:15

raw cherry wood. Oh. And then

58:17

he did that for all the

58:19

pieces. And so that was a

58:22

ton of sanding work. Then I

58:24

put on tongue oil from bumble

58:26

shoots and then... once the tongue

58:28

oil kind of hardens it gets

58:30

really really gummy like over a

58:32

day or two that you leave

58:34

it on there and so then

58:36

you kind of have to go

58:38

through and kind of buff that

58:40

off and get it smooth to

58:42

the touch again then I put

58:44

on carnuba wax over the top

58:46

of that and then the same

58:48

sort of thing the next day

58:50

you got to kind of buff

58:52

through all of that get it

58:54

smooth to the touch and then

58:56

it's just Absolutely perfect and it

58:58

brings out these really rich colors

59:00

of the wood just gorgeous and

59:02

I put it all together. I

59:04

was really amazed though that my

59:06

father when he built this he

59:08

used some glue I think he

59:10

used quite a bit of glue

59:12

but the glue just came off

59:14

it just cracked yeah it just

59:16

cracked it was like flakes it

59:18

was like flakes and it was

59:20

like flakes and it was like

59:22

flakes and it was like flakes

59:24

and I don't remember What kind

59:26

of glue he used when I

59:29

was like I was not interested

59:31

in woodworking when he built this?

59:33

32 33 years ago. I was

59:35

just not into it. So I

59:37

didn't pay attention didn't care But

59:39

he used a lot of fasteners

59:41

lots of flathead screws this glue

59:43

whatever he used and and then

59:45

like little tax to hold things

59:47

together. Well, I didn't use any

59:49

of that. I just used type

59:51

bomb three to put everything back

59:53

together and I think it's even

59:55

more rock solid now. So it

59:57

was kind of fun to kind

59:59

of watch. down memory lane there

1:00:01

with my brother and rebuild something that

1:00:03

my dad built it was neat I

1:00:05

just wish he was there you know

1:00:08

that yeah I wish he was around

1:00:10

to hang out with us in the

1:00:12

shop and laugh and have a good

1:00:14

time reminisce and nevertheless it was neat

1:00:16

to to bring life back into this

1:00:19

desk and now my brother gets to

1:00:21

take it home and and use it

1:00:23

when he works from home that's

1:00:25

cool yeah it's always interesting

1:00:27

to see how other people I mean, whether

1:00:30

it's your family or not,

1:00:32

how the methods other people

1:00:34

use to build stuff, I'm

1:00:37

always kind of interested like,

1:00:39

oh, they attached it this

1:00:41

way. Yeah. I had a listener

1:00:43

write in a question. Oh, yeah.

1:00:45

And this is from Ryan Evers.

1:00:48

I think it's Evers. And

1:00:50

he says, hey guys. I'm

1:00:52

anticipating building a shop this

1:00:54

spring about 400 square feet

1:00:56

and I'm in the market

1:00:58

for upgrading and adding some

1:01:00

tools. The top item on

1:01:02

that list is some type

1:01:04

of dust collection. I use

1:01:06

shop facts currently and those

1:01:08

just aren't cutting it anymore,

1:01:10

especially with my One infinity.

1:01:12

I think a few of you

1:01:14

have the super cell from Anida

1:01:16

and I was wondering what your

1:01:18

thoughts are on that unit. The

1:01:21

small footprint is intriguing. My main

1:01:23

tools are a table saw, mightersaw,

1:01:25

band saw, joiner, lunchbox, planer, and

1:01:27

the CNC. Would the super cell

1:01:30

be able to manage the dust

1:01:32

collection with those tools fairly

1:01:34

well? Or are there other recommendations? Thanks

1:01:36

guys, Ryan. So thanks

1:01:39

for writing in Ryan,

1:01:41

I appreciate that. From

1:01:43

my experience, the Oneida

1:01:45

Super Cell has been

1:01:47

absolutely fantastic. The power

1:01:49

that that thing has

1:01:52

is incomparable to any

1:01:54

other dust collector I've seen.

1:01:56

It just has so much

1:01:59

suction power. It's a

1:02:01

lot louder than most other

1:02:03

dust collectors I've used

1:02:05

or seen, but

1:02:07

the power is unparalleled, in my

1:02:09

opinion. Bruce, you have the one

1:02:11

where you're gonna hook it up to

1:02:13

like a, what is it, like a 50

1:02:15

gallon drum or something? Yeah, I

1:02:18

haven't hooked that up yet. Okay,

1:02:20

mine is to like a little

1:02:22

14 gallon bucket. Yeah, I think

1:02:24

that's what, is yours a roll -around?

1:02:26

Yeah, and a roll. Yeah, that's

1:02:29

what I have right now. And

1:02:31

it's more than enough. However, I

1:02:33

don't have it hooked up to

1:02:35

everything. Not my Supercell only services

1:02:37

my jointer, my planer, my

1:02:40

sanding station,

1:02:42

my bandsaw, and

1:02:45

just regular shop cleanup. Like I'll

1:02:47

put the attachments on it and

1:02:49

sweep the floor. That's all that

1:02:51

the Supercell services. I have different

1:02:53

dust collectors for the table saw,

1:02:55

for my miter saw, and for

1:02:57

the CNC. And you said the shop

1:03:00

vac was insufficient for your CNC.

1:03:02

That's what I use. I have

1:03:04

a little vac master shop vac

1:03:06

that's mounted on the wall, and

1:03:08

that's what I use for my

1:03:10

CNC. And it's more than enough.

1:03:12

Yeah, he might wanna get a

1:03:14

little separator like that low pro dust

1:03:16

FPD we've talked about. If he doesn't

1:03:18

have one, that may just save some

1:03:20

pain in the butt of having to

1:03:22

empty a vacuum shop vac filter so

1:03:24

often. But yeah, I would

1:03:26

think the Supercell would be enough.

1:03:28

They technically, for the

1:03:30

regular Supercell, and I'd say is

1:03:33

to only collect off of one tool

1:03:35

at a time, but I've done

1:03:37

multiples and it seems to be fine.

1:03:40

That don't have really long runs in

1:03:42

that shop as far

1:03:44

as how far it's collecting. But that

1:03:46

little 14 gallon one, it can

1:03:48

fill up pretty quickly on you if

1:03:50

you're doing some kind of milling,

1:03:52

but anytime you're doing milling and you're

1:03:54

taking a bunch off of a

1:03:56

big planer or something, it's gonna fill

1:03:58

up. Yeah. that 20 inch

1:04:00

planar I have, it can really chew through

1:04:02

some stuff and you run a few passes

1:04:05

and all a sudden you look and you're

1:04:07

like, oh, it's full, but it's easy to

1:04:09

empty. It's on wheels, you pop, you know,

1:04:11

two levers and dump it in the garbage

1:04:13

and you're ready to roll again. Yeah, and

1:04:15

the self cleaning action of it, just with

1:04:17

that lever is really awesome. It means you

1:04:19

can use the filter that's built into the,

1:04:22

you know, the head unit for a long

1:04:24

time before you need to replace that. So

1:04:27

that's really handy. But yeah, just

1:04:29

the power is incredible. I have a

1:04:31

video that shows me putting it

1:04:33

together and installing it and I think

1:04:35

I just from the regular hose,

1:04:37

it's like a two and a half

1:04:40

inch hose. I think I was

1:04:42

lifting eight pound dumbbell weights with it.

1:04:44

So it's just incredible. One thing

1:04:46

we're thinking about, you know, Drew is

1:04:48

the way you have it. Isn't

1:04:50

it kind of intended to be portable?

1:04:52

It's on a rolling base. It's

1:04:55

meant to get rolled around a little

1:04:57

bit. Mine is. Bruce's

1:04:59

is, mine is screwed the wall. Okay, that's

1:05:01

something you need to decide. You've got, you said

1:05:03

about a 400 square foot shop going in.

1:05:05

Are all of your tools going to roll around

1:05:07

and get stashed and brought back out? Or

1:05:09

are they going to have a permanent home? And

1:05:12

based on that, are you going to

1:05:14

want your dust collector to roll around and

1:05:16

move to different tools? Or are you

1:05:18

going to want it in a fixed location

1:05:20

and run piping all over the place?

1:05:22

You know, mine is a much bigger system,

1:05:25

but I had a little bit more

1:05:27

room for it than these guys did. And

1:05:29

none of my stuff can really move

1:05:31

at this point. You know, I mean, it's

1:05:33

on the end of a flexible hose,

1:05:35

but if I move my table saw very

1:05:37

far and it's not going to be

1:05:39

hooked up anymore. If I move my name

1:05:41

a tool very far, it's not going

1:05:43

to work. And then I have one long

1:05:45

flexible hose that I can bounce from

1:05:47

mobile tool to mobile tool, depending on what

1:05:49

I need at that time. My sanding

1:05:51

stuff, my router table, my drum sander, kind

1:05:53

of all just gets rolled in and

1:05:55

hooked up to that one extra port. But

1:05:57

my system is so powerful that I

1:05:59

leave a... but at least one four inch

1:06:01

port open all of the time in

1:06:03

addition to whatever I'm running. So I've got

1:06:05

eight inches worth of ports open, minimum

1:06:08

all the time. I've used as many,

1:06:10

I think I've left as many as

1:06:12

four blast gates open at a time

1:06:14

and I've never noticed a loss of

1:06:16

collectability. So I guess

1:06:18

what I'm getting at, it depends on your budget

1:06:21

a little bit. Buying

1:06:23

a dust collector isn't fun necessarily, like

1:06:25

a shiny new tool. Its job

1:06:27

is to just clean up after you

1:06:29

and honestly, safety at that point,

1:06:31

keeping airborne stuff down. But look at

1:06:34

your budget and look at where

1:06:36

you need it to live and kind

1:06:38

of base it around that. Yeah.

1:06:41

And try to future -proof it a little bit,

1:06:44

you know, the whole buy once, cry once

1:06:46

thing. Obviously there's a limit to that. You

1:06:48

can't just go, oh, well, I'll buy the

1:06:50

best one right now. You may not

1:06:52

be able to, but if you're close to

1:06:54

doing an upgrade or you think, oh,

1:06:56

maybe I'll upgrade this tool or that tool,

1:06:58

you may need to get the bigger

1:07:00

one and kind of consider that for the

1:07:03

dust collection. Hey, thanks, Ryan. Appreciate the

1:07:05

question. And if you're listening out there and

1:07:07

you have a question for us, then

1:07:09

let us know what that is. Write in

1:07:11

at WeBuilt a Thing at gmail .com

1:07:13

and we will see if we can get you on

1:07:15

the air. Hey,

1:07:20

real quick guys, before we go, I wanted to

1:07:22

tell you one quick thing and you guys

1:07:24

probably feel this also. Well, Drew, you get a

1:07:26

lot more orders than I do. At this

1:07:29

point, a lot of my online orders

1:07:31

for like templates and stuff have really slowed

1:07:33

down. I don't know what it is. Other than

1:07:35

I have seen a lot of big companies,

1:07:37

like even Woodpeckers I saw the other day is

1:07:39

selling acrylic templates to make charcuterie boards. Oh,

1:07:41

really? So it's like once some of

1:07:43

those big ones move in, they can

1:07:45

market way more than I can and or

1:07:47

the market is way saturated. But

1:07:50

when I do get orders, what

1:07:52

I find is, especially if they're on

1:07:54

my website, what I find is

1:07:56

often there's someone that listens to this

1:07:58

show or they follow me. or

1:08:00

like follow my channel or whatever.

1:08:02

And they're just kind of a different caliber of

1:08:04

person because of that, you know I mean?

1:08:06

Like I'm not saying, oh, our listeners are better.

1:08:08

I mean, we do have great listeners, but

1:08:10

they're kind of invested in you, you know what

1:08:12

I mean? That's why they're purchasing from you

1:08:14

then specifically. And I had a guy, I was

1:08:16

just messing with my dad. It was the

1:08:18

day I got here last week. And I was

1:08:20

telling my dad, yeah, stuff slowed way down, whatever.

1:08:24

And I don't remember if it was that afternoon or

1:08:26

the next day. An order came in on my website

1:08:28

because I forgot to kind of say, hey, processing times

1:08:31

are a little bit longer while

1:08:33

I'm out of town. So I

1:08:35

emailed the guy back right away. He

1:08:37

ordered three templates and I said, hey, I just

1:08:39

got out of town. My dad's having a stint

1:08:41

put in. I'm gonna be here for a few

1:08:43

days. Could I get them out to you next

1:08:45

Wednesday? Would that be fine to ship them then?

1:08:47

And Steve is his name. I don't know if

1:08:49

Steve listens or whatever, but he was so nice.

1:08:52

He was just like, oh, hope your dad's doing

1:08:54

good. Yep, that's perfectly fine. You just ship it

1:08:56

whenever. That'd be great. And I was like, that's

1:08:58

awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. You know, so I

1:09:00

just wanted to shout that out because I've had

1:09:02

that kind of thing, those kind of interactions happen a

1:09:04

couple of times. And I'm just like, hey, a

1:09:06

amount of materials would be a couple of days. Are

1:09:08

you still good with that? And they're like, yeah,

1:09:10

I'm good with it. Yeah, that's really cool. Well,

1:09:13

time to get on with the day,

1:09:15

huh? Yes, it is time. Well, thanks guys

1:09:18

for another great one. And

1:09:20

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1:09:35

guys, thanks for another great episode. We

1:09:37

will see you next week. Have a

1:09:39

great one. See you guys. See ya. You