0:00

Do you read what other people

0:02

have written when signing a farewell

0:04

card? Well, if you do, then you're

0:06

in good company. Today we'll be taking

0:08

a closer look at the new answers

0:11

of everyday interactions that make up the

0:13

monotony of life. Let's listen to someone

0:15

talking about how the sun in Europe

0:18

doesn't burn your skin like it does

0:20

in Australia. Grab your knitting needles and

0:22

a blanket because it's time for two

0:25

old friends to sit around and sew

0:27

a new patch into their quilter friendship.

0:29

So join me Christian under the covers

0:32

with Josh. Welcome to Patchwork. I forgot

0:34

to say welcome to Patchwork. That's okay.

0:36

And we often start these shows by

0:38

talking about how long it's been between

0:40

recording. I don't even think it's

0:42

been. it's got to be it's got

0:45

to be in almost two months probably

0:47

yeah no one cares no no one

0:49

cares because people don't Some people would

0:51

keep up to date with this. Most

0:53

people don't engage with their podcast in

0:55

a way that I think they would

0:57

know how long it's been. My partner

0:59

just told me she thought that podcast

1:02

were more or less dead. She's like,

1:04

I'm just off podcast. And I was

1:06

like, thanks for telling me that. They've

1:08

never been more popular in the history

1:10

of humanity, but I think they're falling

1:12

off of it. Yeah, but more so

1:14

the consumption of a podcast, right? Like,

1:16

how many do you regularly go back

1:19

to? the podcast clip. Yes. That's where

1:21

we're at now. Yeah. Yeah. So it's

1:23

not about your hour-long podcast. It's about

1:25

how many 25-second clips can you produce

1:27

from that? That's right. Yeah. So we

1:29

need to get back to clipping. We

1:31

need to spend more time on something

1:34

that we can't even record in two

1:36

months. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Or we do

1:38

what that other thing is now where

1:40

you record. Like it's not an actual

1:42

podcast. We're just recording clips. So we

1:44

just have a bunch of things and

1:46

we just try and do little 59

1:49

second things. That's great. No, it's hell.

1:51

No, but you, so you actually

1:53

don't really need content, you need

1:55

just a funny interaction. But it

1:57

could just be like, oh wow,

1:59

the week that you talk. for

2:01

48 more seconds. Okay. That's it.

2:03

That's the clip. Yeah, we need

2:05

heaps of content. Okay, that could

2:07

be equipped. Because the thing is,

2:09

people don't have time for

2:12

context and set up anymore.

2:14

I hate it. Context. Actually, you've said that

2:16

there is a rule whereby if you

2:18

fast forward the first third of a

2:20

YouTube video, you can still get... the

2:22

main thrust of what's happening. There's so

2:24

much wasted, there's so much waste in

2:26

the stuff we watch. But it is

2:29

the depressing state of affairs I think

2:31

with these podcasts that it is just

2:33

about the clipability. And I wonder how

2:35

many people, you know what I had

2:37

recently actually a real example of the

2:39

clips getting me to listen, I listed

2:41

it today, Tom Bollard's. Tom, is it

2:43

like, I think... Balard, Balard, because I know, because

2:45

he's, he's, he does look a bit like a Balard. No,

2:47

because his name is like the opposite too, so people can't

2:50

find him on one of social media. Anyway, so I get

2:52

getting confused. Now everyone's going to find him. I see him,

2:54

sorry. Well done for doxing him. But yeah, and it was

2:56

his political podcast that he has, and I'd seen a few

2:58

clips of, I was like, I was looking for and I

3:00

was like, I was like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

3:02

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

3:04

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

3:06

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

3:08

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I was

3:10

like, that's what the clip should be. Not a show that

3:13

is built around just making clips. Okay, well, we're not

3:15

going to start releasing clips.

3:17

With the auto switch you're on. There

3:19

we go. That's a game. Well for

3:21

anyone watching on YouTube, all three

3:24

of you. This is the opposite

3:26

of clips. It's one stagnant shot

3:28

of Josh and I sitting across

3:30

from each other on the table.

3:32

But Josh, we've been off for

3:35

quite some time. As we've been

3:37

off for quite some time. You

3:39

have performed a fringe festival show,

3:41

a one-off fringe festival show, which

3:43

was magnificent. Thanks, mate. It's really

3:45

fun. I got to spend some time

3:48

beforehand with, I guess, friends, colleagues

3:50

of yours that you invited,

3:52

and some that just turned up

3:54

because they're good friends and

3:57

colleagues. Yeah. One in particular, Yasmin,

3:59

who... I believe is a colleague

4:01

of yours. She was not friend, let's

4:03

make that clear. Yeah, well, you told

4:05

me to make that very clear. No,

4:08

we got a, we got a lot

4:10

very well. She's great. And I, we

4:12

were talking about the fact that the

4:14

show starts, started quite late. It was

4:16

like a 930 kickoff, right? Yes. And

4:19

she mentioned that, well, after work, I

4:21

took a nap and now I'm feeling

4:23

great. And I was like, aren't you

4:25

exhausted after taking a nap? I'm really

4:28

good at napping. For me, that's a

4:30

shock to the system because a nap

4:32

is ephemeral. A nap happens organically and

4:34

if I try to capture it, it's

4:36

gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't understand

4:39

the idea of being good at something

4:41

that you can't put a framework around.

4:43

Well, it's the idea of, yeah, it's

4:45

so automated in some ways that the

4:48

fact of your sleeping... it is by

4:50

definition unconscious. So like how much control

4:52

do you have over this thing? But

4:54

I got the sense that she finished

4:56

work and was like, you know what,

4:59

I'll sneak in a quick 45 minute

5:01

nap, recharge the batteries and then I'm

5:03

out. Yeah, just dial that into the

5:05

old computer, plug in, plug in, God.

5:08

Absolutely the dream. Because I had a

5:10

nap before I came today. Did you?

5:12

Yes. So I thought I'd lay down.

5:14

You understand what she's saying. But what

5:16

happened was, my strategy for napping these

5:19

days is to lie on the bed

5:21

like a vampire and sort of on

5:23

top of the sheets and just sort

5:25

of cross my arms on my shoulders.

5:28

Yeah. I just sort of closed my

5:30

eyes and just see what happens. And

5:32

then normally I go, but what I

5:34

don't. What's bad, and I wonder if

5:36

this is what Yasmin is beating, is

5:39

the grogginess coming out of it. That

5:41

gets me real bad. That's why I

5:43

won't nap, right? Because there's the grogginess

5:45

on the other side, but also, it

5:48

takes, for me, if I'm going to

5:50

be napping... It's a two hour process.

5:52

Oh, I kind of need to like

5:54

get onto the bed or into the

5:56

sheets. And that's 10 minutes. It's a

5:59

very long ladder up to my bug.

6:01

Once I've stripped all my skin off,

6:03

I then get into the sheets. I.

6:05

It's like falling asleep. The moment I'm

6:08

like, you're trying to nap. I cannot

6:10

nap. I think I've been so exhausted

6:12

with work lately because I've had early

6:14

starts. That has been very easy that

6:16

I can just close your eyes will

6:19

go away. And then I kind of

6:21

just wake up a bit and go,

6:23

oh. Okay, but your issue is the

6:25

grogginess on the other side. Yeah. And

6:28

so having this to come to was

6:30

brilliant because I'm like, you have to

6:32

get up. Whereas, you have to nap.

6:34

and it's like, you know, eight o'clock

6:36

or something and you're like, you should

6:39

get up and have some dinner, but

6:41

you're very tired. That's what kills me.

6:43

That's the end of the night, isn't

6:45

it? When a nap extends to the

6:48

point where it's close enough that you

6:50

could almost treat that as a bedtime.

6:52

That's not close enough for me. What's

6:54

close enough? What time is close enough

6:56

for bedtime? Yeah, what are you pushing?

6:59

And then woke up and was like,

7:01

oh, it's almost bedtime. It's almost bedtime.

7:03

It's almost bedtime. It's almost bedtime. It's

7:05

almost bedtime. Yeah, that would be an

7:08

incredibly early night for me. I feel

7:10

like maybe I'd go to 930. If

7:12

I saw 930, I'm like, you could

7:14

just stay here. Yeah. But if it

7:16

was before that and like, nah, get

7:19

up and do something with your life.

7:21

You big lump of shit. Yeah, honestly,

7:23

I was about to beat the shit

7:25

out of myself as well. For that

7:28

moment where you're on the couch and

7:30

you're starting to fall asleep and it's

7:32

late and you go, it's a great

7:34

time to go to go to go

7:36

to go to go to go to

7:39

go to go to go to bed.

7:41

kind of half close your eyes and

7:43

just walk to bed and then you

7:45

get into bed and immediately grab your

7:48

phone and shake that feeling right off

7:50

get that blue light in your eyes

7:52

and boom I'm back you know what

7:54

if you guys I'm on the slot

7:56

I didn't I what it was gonna

7:59

say would be a great invention is

8:01

some sort of device or tool that

8:03

very brushes your teeth that you could

8:05

do that. So when you're groggy and

8:08

half asleep it doesn't wake you up,

8:10

but you can still brush your teeth

8:12

before bed. I like that. So with

8:14

the arm be built into the bed

8:16

itself and then kind of like very

8:19

quietly come up and like very quietly

8:21

come up and like prize open your

8:23

lips or or just something. Actually, here's

8:25

what you need right because you got

8:28

to do a bathroom visit before. So

8:30

you've got to do a bathroom visit

8:32

before. So you say you've got to

8:34

a bathroom visit before. Is there a

8:36

way, do we build a new room

8:39

in the house that's not a bathroom,

8:41

but it has the facilities of a

8:43

bathroom, but it's not like tiled floor,

8:45

it's like moody lighting, maybe it's soft

8:48

carpet, and it's got facilities, so you

8:50

can go to the toilet, let's put

8:52

a soft seat on that as well.

8:54

That's not a good blend, toilet and

8:56

carpet. But this is the purpose of

8:59

the room. And then you've got a

9:01

little sink as well, and there's some

9:03

device there that you can kind of.

9:05

It's really quiet. You don't have to

9:08

do a lot. You can kind of,

9:10

maybe it's a chair you sit on.

9:12

And you just open your mouth and

9:14

a thing comes out and just, just

9:17

like buffs your teeth or something. I

9:19

like that idea. It's a confusing room.

9:21

And I'm not sure. Well, because what

9:23

do you need to do? What's the

9:25

stuff that wakes you up the most?

9:28

The phone, phone usage, but yeah, absolutely

9:30

turning the bathroom light on. Yes. That's

9:32

immediately I'm back to like. Brushing your

9:34

teeth, I think I could maybe get

9:37

away with like a light brush. Do

9:39

you know what I've been doing? He's

9:41

showering with the lights off. Oh wow!

9:43

Oh wow! I think I've done that

9:45

and it's crazy. It's extraordinary. Yeah, yeah,

9:48

yeah, yeah. And also because it's warm,

9:50

if you keep the lights off, you

9:52

can just slip right into bed and

9:54

get real sweaty and sweaty and sweaty

9:57

in there. Candle? Candle light or nothing.

9:59

Just pitch. Just pitch. Just the peak

10:01

of the peak of the peak of

10:03

the bedroom light of the bedroom light.

10:05

I was just about to say, you

10:08

say, oops, that goes gravity. I thought,

10:10

that feeling of getting up off the

10:12

couch and going, like, astronauts must not.

10:14

that because the weightlessness if you're tired

10:17

the weightlessness of being tired go to

10:19

sleep must be amazing because it just

10:21

there would be nothing on your body

10:23

you just be laying there be like

10:25

oh yeah yeah but also the pressure

10:28

I think gravity helps me go to

10:30

sleep like the way the way blanket

10:32

yeah yeah oh no I don't have

10:34

a weighted blanket I've got my like

10:37

I said I've got my concerns about

10:39

them but just a regular blanket yeah

10:41

gravity of that puts me to sleep.

10:43

That's enough. But also the feeling of

10:45

my body pressing against the bed itself,

10:48

that kind of combination I think is

10:50

what helps me sleep. Yeah, right. If

10:52

I'm in, if I'm in an anti-gravity

10:54

chamber, I imagine being strapped in would

10:57

be the thing that... You know, oh,

10:59

you know what would be hell to

11:01

sleep in? What? An anacholic chamber. those

11:03

rooms that have all the spiky stuff

11:05

on them yeah that you can't hear

11:08

anything no sound bounces around and apparently

11:10

like all you can hear is like

11:12

things moving inside your body like your

11:14

heart beating and blood moving through your

11:17

body I'm like that would be hell

11:19

to try and sleep in wouldn't it

11:21

so right now we can hear those

11:23

things it's just that the room is

11:25

too loud around us And so you

11:28

take that away, all of a sudden

11:30

we can hear our body function. Yeah,

11:32

it's the only sound you can hear.

11:34

It is pretty crazy, because often I

11:37

will lean onto my partner's stomach and

11:39

listen to it, gurgle. And you're like,

11:41

you're just gurgling all the time. Yeah.

11:43

And sometimes you hear, it's like a

11:45

mass gurgle. It's like an eruption, right?

11:48

Yeah, yeah. You get that one. You're

11:50

like, oh shit, like, like, there goes

11:52

a Sicilian down. All the people carrying

11:54

the bow. Oh! Hugging their loved one.

11:57

Wow, they really loved each other. Yeah,

11:59

yeah. Oh, she was hugging her child.

12:01

Are you sure? It's just a big

12:03

lump of white with shoulders. And they're

12:05

hugging their lump of like a molten...

12:08

Ash. Oh God. That's terrifying though, when

12:10

you see those, um, sooty cutouts. Yeah.

12:12

I don't understand like, so for them

12:14

to take that shape, were they standing

12:17

level moving, right? And then they were

12:19

dancing as you just did that. They

12:21

were moving. Oh no, here it comes,

12:23

look out. But is that what it

12:25

was? Let's say they're doing the, uh,

12:28

what Teresa May walking out? Yes. So

12:30

they're kind of living their life, they've

12:32

got their child, and then they see

12:34

what coming towards them. Is it lava?

12:37

Oh no wait, lava or magma? Is

12:39

there a difference? Yes. Between lava and

12:41

magma? Yeah, one of them, is one

12:43

of them oxygenated? It's clippable, start again.

12:45

Shit, but I have to have an

12:48

answer. It can't just be me fluffing

12:50

it out. Um, I think they're saying,

12:52

because it doesn't like a big cloudy

12:54

ash ball proceed it. But that's, but

12:57

that's what gets them. I think that's

12:59

getting, and then maybe you've breathed that

13:01

in, you know, a past out. Yeah,

13:03

maybe. Ah, okay. But how are you

13:05

knowing to hug your child in that

13:08

moment? Oh, protecting your child. That's true.

13:10

Human instinct. So it must be a

13:12

pretty slow moving cloud if you're like,

13:14

quickly, quickly, get here. One last time!

13:17

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

13:19

You see it and I wonder how

13:21

I guess it happens super quick Yeah,

13:23

there's no way that they're staying for

13:25

the cloud I think this will blow

13:28

through. Yeah, that's all right. Come here

13:30

Anyway napping for me I try not

13:32

to touch it unless it's organically something

13:34

that I settle in. What's your favorite

13:37

place to nap? Got to be the

13:39

couch couch couch I can't really think

13:41

of any others apart from the bed,

13:43

which is Are you going across the

13:45

couch or sitting in the couch? Like

13:48

you put your feet up and lying

13:50

across it? I think I'm lying, when

13:52

I'm committing to it, I kind of

13:54

just like let myself, oh, this is,

13:57

yeah, I will lie sideways with a

13:59

couple of pillows under me and I'll

14:01

be watching. television. Yeah. Because I'm tricking

14:03

myself into being like, you're still watching

14:05

TV. Yeah. This isn't a nap. Just

14:08

getting really comfortable. And then brain will

14:10

do its thing. Yeah. What about you?

14:12

Yeah. I think on the couch I

14:14

have to lie out, but often just,

14:17

yeah, feed up, but straight. So I

14:19

don't like the side, I'd rather go

14:21

straight. But honestly, on top of the

14:23

bed is great for me, because I

14:25

can do that like straight after I

14:28

get home from work. What is it

14:30

about the arms though? Like you said

14:32

you're in vampire position. Yeah, I don't

14:34

know what that is. Yeah, I don't

14:37

know what that is. I don't know

14:39

what you're in vampire position. Yeah, I

14:41

don't know what that is. I don't

14:43

know what that means. Yeah, you're in

14:45

vampire position. Yeah, I don't know what

14:48

it's a conscious. effort to be like

14:50

you're putting your body in a comfortable

14:52

position. Oh, of like, yeah, this is

14:54

a mode that my body's getting into.

14:57

It's like if I try, because I've

14:59

been trying not to sleep on my

15:01

stomach to help out with, amazing, for

15:03

people who still sleep on their stomach,

15:05

you've got to try not to do

15:08

it. I know that it feels fantastic.

15:10

No, because if my partner sent me

15:12

an infographic, there was about all the

15:14

reasons that having pillows is... bad for

15:17

you and like he's a dozen ways

15:19

you would normally sleep and I was

15:21

like those are the ways I fall

15:23

on a sleep on picnic blankets what

15:25

on your belly and putting your arm

15:28

up and laying on your arm on

15:30

your side all those perhaps it is

15:32

because of pillows yeah big pillow they

15:34

got us they got us yeah what

15:37

was my point I've forgotten why I'm

15:39

sorry sorry sorry do you remember what

15:41

I was saying about people who sleep

15:43

on their stomach even though it feels

15:45

good it's bad yeah yeah Oh, fantastic

15:48

callback. Plus, put this go. Yeah, yeah.

15:50

Do the set up. Yeah. I've lost

15:52

it again. I've lost it again. People

15:54

who don't, but I can't understand what

15:57

the point I was making was. I

15:59

understand I'm telling people not to sleep

16:01

on their stomach. But I don't know

16:03

why. I've been sleeping on my back

16:05

more. And what I found is that

16:08

if unless I tilt my head slightly

16:10

to the right. Okay. Good. Does it

16:12

carry big more? Anyway, I've been sleeping

16:14

on my back and what I found

16:17

is that if unless I tilt my

16:19

head slightly to the right, I won't

16:21

force if I'm like keeping my head.

16:23

uh, completely straight. It's like I'm using

16:25

the muscles to keep it that way.

16:28

Like you were saying, you put your

16:30

arms there because it forces them to

16:32

relax. Yeah, maybe that is. You don't

16:34

have to hold them up in any

16:37

way. Yeah. Whereas with my neck, I

16:39

let it just like, just do you

16:41

reckon, like, I don't think about it

16:43

this much, we're just talking about on

16:45

the podcast, but like, do you reckon

16:48

there's some people who just do not

16:50

have a second thought to this? and

16:52

they just go to sleep all the

16:54

day. Are they the happy ones? Wow.

16:57

People who just get to sleep. Yeah,

16:59

they don't think about that much. It's

17:01

like, yeah, jump into bed. I wonder,

17:03

I mean, those people would exist. They'd

17:05

get into bed and then they just

17:08

close their eyes and off to sleep.

17:10

I had recently, you know, I couldn't

17:12

sleep or I couldn't get to sleep,

17:14

whatever. I've had recently some nights where

17:17

that to me is normally like. Everything's

17:19

off, I'm laying there, and my brain

17:21

won't switch off, and I just can't

17:23

actually fall asleep. I'm thinking about stuff,

17:25

whatever. But I've had some recently where

17:28

it's like the new version of I

17:30

can't get to sleep, where I'm actively

17:32

choosing to like stay on my phone.

17:34

And it's like, you should go to

17:37

sleep. But in my brain now, that

17:39

is me not being able to fall

17:41

asleep, because I have a desire to

17:43

stay on my phone. Oh, is that

17:45

like the 2024 version of it? Or

17:48

am I just an idiot? But no,

17:50

I think you know, I think the

17:52

latter in the most polite way possible.

17:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're engaged with

17:57

a device still, you're not even trying

17:59

to get to sleep. Well, I kind

18:01

of am though, because sometimes I fall

18:03

asleep with it in my hand. Mission

18:05

accomplished. Really, with it in your hand.

18:08

Yeah, normally watching like an Indian head

18:10

massage video. or something. Oh, yeah, yeah.

18:12

I get that. Sorry. Yeah, I do

18:14

that with my, the laptop on my

18:17

belly. Yeah, that's crazy to me. Laptop

18:19

on your belly. For bed. You just

18:21

said that you fall asleep with your

18:23

phone in your hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:25

So, yeah, yeah. So, tiny, small. Laptop

18:28

belly. More hair. More Indians on the

18:30

screen. Good point. First square age. Yeah,

18:32

that will, yeah, that sends me right

18:34

off. Yeah. I was recently interacting with

18:37

a friend and we send a lot

18:39

of voice notes back and forth and

18:41

I had sent him like an eight

18:43

minute voice note. Eight minute. Yeah, real

18:45

long boy, just like what's happening in

18:48

your life, updates kind of thing. About

18:50

five minutes later, he gives me a

18:52

call and I pick up and... I

18:54

said to him, first thing I said

18:57

to him was, have you listened to

18:59

the voice note yet? The first thing

19:01

you said was, it's only been five

19:03

minutes, I left an eight minute voice

19:06

yet. But I can't have that conversation.

19:08

I can't send an eight minute voice

19:10

note, then someone calls me back, and

19:12

I say, great, I'm going to cover

19:14

the same ground that I covered in

19:17

the voice note. They should have a

19:19

hundred percent listen to it before they

19:21

call you before they call you. Right?

19:23

That's the protocol. If that's sitting out

19:26

there and that's dangling out there, that

19:28

is required listening. That is like... Phone

19:30

call. Yeah, that is like some premier

19:32

HBO TV is required listening. You must...

19:34

They're the... Before you start this degree,

19:37

you must read these books. Yes, yes,

19:39

exactly. They are the books, they were

19:41

not read, but then he wanted to

19:43

engage with the discussions on the call.

19:46

How much you charging for your voice

19:48

notes? 120 bucks? It's good money. I

19:50

think they 100% should have listened to

19:52

that and they can't shortcut that by

19:54

calling you. Well, so he tried to

19:57

and what should I do in that

19:59

position because I was caught out. I

20:01

didn't want to say, I did say,

20:03

but I didn't want to say, I

20:06

don't want to talk. I capitulated very

20:08

quick. Yeah, but I didn't stand up

20:10

for myself. I said to him, I'm

20:12

gonna give you different chat right now.

20:14

I'm gonna give you B grade chat

20:17

about something else. Good, good. I've given

20:19

you plenty of juice in my eight

20:21

minute boy. And I've given you plenty

20:23

of juice in my eight minute boy.

20:26

And I don't wanna cover that again.

20:28

But isn't the purpose, like you're saying

20:30

right now, that's what you wanted to

20:32

talk about. So it should have. But

20:34

now they've short circuited that. They have.

20:37

So I have to talk to them

20:39

live. Yeah, I think I'm trying to

20:41

think of, I think you did the

20:43

right, you got to, I think that's

20:46

good to play hardball on that. Like

20:48

don't let them get away with it.

20:50

Yeah. But in the future, I think

20:52

it would be nice to play hardball

20:54

on that. Like don't let them get

20:57

away with it. Yeah. But in the

20:59

future, I think it would be nicer

21:01

just to chat with you. Is that

21:03

you. you must be online, I'll just

21:06

give you a call. Which, that's lovely.

21:08

Yeah, yeah. Listen to the voice note.

21:10

Yeah, I agree. I'm not up for

21:12

a live chat if I'm sending the

21:14

voice note. You also don't know what

21:17

was in it. Yeah. Unless I started,

21:19

I'm like, I was just chat, I'll

21:21

just give them a buzz. But also,

21:23

are you a voice nota? Like, what's,

21:26

this is, this is, I think that's

21:28

lovely, I wouldn't say pro, but it

21:30

happens a lot in my life. Yeah,

21:32

right. I really don't use them. I

21:34

think it's like I'm not in the

21:37

mode of using them. Like I don't

21:39

really call my friends much either. I'd

21:41

rather just hang out with people. But

21:43

I think I see their utility and

21:46

I think it's good because you can

21:48

just get a bit of a dump

21:50

off without the wording matters less. It's

21:52

more casual. It's kind of nice. Yeah,

21:54

yeah, yeah. A lot of that stream

21:57

of consciousness. Yeah, yeah, huge stream of

21:59

consciousness and you just kind of the

22:01

problem I think with a with a

22:03

voice note is that you have to

22:06

when listening back to theirs. Keep. a

22:08

mental note of every point they've touched

22:10

on. Yeah. To then respond to in

22:12

the next voice note. Otherwise, premier stuff

22:14

gets all off. What about this for

22:17

a policy? As you're going, every time

22:19

you ask a question, you end the

22:21

voice note and you start a new

22:23

one. Oh, multi voice notes. So you

22:26

have like little seven, yeah, you'd have

22:28

seven or eight single minute ones. So

22:30

it's like this, it's like if we

22:32

were to put like a sting in

22:34

between, we're clipping our voice notes. Oh

22:37

my god. We're cutting everything down to

22:39

59 seconds, even voice notes to your

22:41

friends. Trim it down. I don't have

22:43

a good idea. I actually think that's

22:46

a good idea. because around out the

22:48

point and then so then they know

22:50

why I can. Because I do that

22:52

when I send messages, that's how I

22:54

do my messages. So I kind of

22:57

finish a point, start a new message

22:59

so then people can actually reply in

23:01

line to each one. Yes. And the

23:03

thing I like, that's what I like

23:06

about messaging. Self-contained voice notes, but you

23:08

can't let a point linger between each

23:10

one. It can't be a thread. But

23:12

I think if there's a question. Because

23:14

you want to be able to be

23:17

able to. But then what you need

23:19

is to like title them in some

23:21

way so you can visually track which

23:23

ones which. Yeah. Do they have that

23:26

function? Can you title a voice note

23:28

right now? You'd probably just punch in

23:30

a bit of text after it. Then

23:32

you're really breaking it up. Then why

23:34

are we doing voice notes at that

23:37

point? That's true. A lot of efforts.

23:39

Because no one wants to talk to

23:41

another person. Because the thing what I

23:43

like about text messaging is an I

23:46

experienced just recently that I was really,

23:48

I've been moving stuff like, whatever it,

23:50

whatever it. really really exhausted and it

23:52

was great because then someone had some

23:54

good news yeah and I could very

23:57

very easily feign excitement in my text

23:59

message if I was there in person

24:01

or talking to them I was exhausted

24:03

wow I couldn't have got up for

24:06

it that's that's cooked by the way

24:08

no because it's like that's how I

24:10

that's how I would have reacted if

24:12

I was feeling better I know but

24:14

it's but that's the thing now that

24:17

we dialogue through what's happened voice so

24:19

nothing's real no reaction is real it

24:21

was every comment every needs to get

24:23

a laugh emoji, otherwise it's complete and

24:26

out of devastating failure. That's true. So

24:28

what did you say? You were like,

24:30

oh my God, that sounds amazing. Yeah,

24:32

something like that, whatever it is. Oh

24:34

my God, you praised a deity. Well,

24:37

just got religious. No, along those lines

24:39

of excitement, but if it was, I

24:41

was like, the way I was feeling

24:43

was like. Oh, that's great. That's like,

24:46

just exhausted from the day. Nothing to

24:48

do with their success or whatever was

24:50

going on there. Just me personally, very,

24:52

very tired. So if you had messaged

24:54

back, nice one, man. Oh, nice one.

24:57

Yeah, that's not enough. But that's the

24:59

energy that you had at the time.

25:01

That is the appropriate response. But that's

25:03

the beauty of the text. I can

25:06

camouflage that and hide that. And we

25:08

do that to the other person feels

25:10

like inflated. But people do that in

25:12

their real life. If you go to

25:14

an event, you're not really up for

25:17

it. You put on a brave face.

25:19

That's true. That's true. It's so and

25:21

so's birth that we have to go.

25:23

Absolutely. Just go for an hour. Yeah.

25:26

But you've got to put a brave

25:28

face on, you've got to have a

25:30

good time. For the sake of the

25:32

host. I need to be on like,

25:34

I need to be on here. That

25:37

you can convince yourself to be on

25:39

to the point that you're like actually

25:41

was pretty good. I feel I'd say

25:43

most times I will pull through completely

25:46

fine. Yeah, I think it's rare that

25:48

I would be in such a dirty

25:50

mood That I wouldn't enjoy myself and

25:52

I don't know if it's about tricking

25:54

yourself. I think it's because history has

25:57

taught me. It's like you will be

25:59

fine. You'll see some people you have

26:01

a conversation you have any close friends

26:03

there Yeah, and you're like, I'm gonna

26:06

have to do so. Spidal flight, yeah,

26:08

and you're like, I know I'll be

26:10

changing all these new people who I

26:12

don't know. Yeah, that's a lot of

26:14

work. What I want to talk about,

26:17

I don't really want to talk about

26:19

anything in my life right now. I

26:21

would just love to not, like that's

26:23

I think when it's difficult. How do

26:26

you go, are you better now at

26:28

starting a conversation with someone? Like there's

26:30

common ground there, you're at the same

26:32

event. So are you better now as

26:34

an adult at starting that conversation with

26:37

a random person being like? If I'm

26:39

up for it. Yeah, I think if

26:41

I'm in a good mood, I'm happy

26:43

to drive it and push it through.

26:46

And yeah, you just want to have

26:48

gags with someone really about some stuff

26:50

that's coming up or you know what

26:52

to eat. So it's always just work.

26:54

Yeah. Because I've been working for the

26:57

Victoria and Electoral Commission lately. So easy.

26:59

Got so much content about work and

27:01

elections and stuff to chat about. Yeah.

27:03

It's really easy. So we recently went

27:06

over to your place for a friend's

27:08

birthday and there were some gate crashes

27:10

there that night. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

27:12

Yeah. And one of them. I mean,

27:14

again, never met this person before, but

27:17

they were gate crashing. So I was

27:19

like, you know what? I'm gonna... And

27:21

they were accepted, let's be clear, they

27:23

were accepted in my, yeah, come on,

27:26

they live nearby, it's like, yeah, yeah,

27:28

we love that stuff, come on in,

27:30

come on in. And I said to

27:32

one of them, I was like, so

27:34

what do you do for work? And

27:37

she was like, oh my God, that

27:39

is such a boring question. No. And

27:41

I was like, great. Could I be

27:43

you? So what do you do for

27:46

work? That is such a boring question.

27:48

All right, go for it. But that's

27:50

put it back on them. Yeah, but

27:52

what is what did she come back

27:54

with after that? What was her choice

27:57

of conversation? Super sarcastic the entire night.

27:59

Just and and and it's like Come

28:01

on. It's like I'm trying. I'm trying.

28:03

This is just the starter right? Yes.

28:06

It's whatever happens from here. It doesn't

28:08

matter. But we need so I could

28:10

say how greener trees. That should be

28:12

the kernel. It doesn't matter what the

28:14

kernel is, it's what happens afterwards. I

28:17

agree, because something she might say might,

28:19

you know, oh yeah, well I went

28:21

to this thing last week that's related

28:23

to that. I had so much fun

28:26

over there, da da da da da.

28:28

It's you just trying to get that

28:30

ball rolling. Yeah. Once that rolling ball

28:32

gathers moss and starts rolling down that

28:35

hill. Absolutely. Bob Dylan. Absolutely. Yeah, and

28:37

the rolling story. I think I think

28:39

if you're not going to offer anything,

28:41

I think that I think fundamentally to

28:43

come back with someone who's trying to

28:46

make conversation with that is disgusting. Yeah,

28:48

I agree. She has so much shame

28:50

around being vulnerable that any, anything that

28:52

might be considered uncool like. discussing work.

28:55

Well, it could be that like, and

28:57

I'm speaking for myself, like I've had

28:59

a lot of my work has been

29:01

all over the shop with a lot

29:03

of casual work, and often it wasn't

29:06

a fun topic for me to discuss,

29:08

because I didn't really feel I had

29:10

anything of value or worth to chat

29:12

about. So maybe she's coming back, so

29:15

she's shame. But yeah, maybe she's ashamed

29:17

of her work. Yeah. And I was

29:19

like, okay. That's a fun age to

29:21

be shameful. But I feel like to

29:23

be shameful. But I feel like that

29:26

is probably something that is probably something

29:28

that I may have. Also, I have,

29:30

I would have had maybe a similar

29:32

reaction when you were 26 to be

29:35

like, hey, let's just cut to the

29:37

real shit here. Yeah, right. It's like,

29:39

no, you can get there. Like, we're

29:41

all, we're all just trying. We don't

29:43

know each other. She might be, I

29:46

work in some random office. It's very

29:48

dull. She was a designer. That sounds

29:50

really interesting. Talk about that. She had

29:52

heaps to talk about your loser. You

29:55

loser. Okay, you big losers. Thank you

29:57

so much for listening to another episode

29:59

of Oh Good to Patchwork. We're of

30:01

course all the socials, if you want

30:03

to see some cut down clips that

30:06

I will not produce, but I'll say

30:08

they're going to be there. But we

30:10

also got a patron, if you want

30:12

to support the show, help cover the

30:15

costs, that kind of stuff. Anything else?

30:17

Christianing, other notes? No, it's good to

30:19

be back. It's great to be back.

30:21

I'll see you again in a couple

30:23

of a couple of a couple of

30:26

a couple of a couple of a

30:28

couple of a couple of months. I

30:30

think, but we don't know. He may

30:32

be, maybe not. Surely. always to get.

30:35

Thanks very much. There's another one in

30:37

the patch for another week. I've been...

30:39

No, that's afterwards. As we do every

30:41

week, it's time to sew a new

30:43

patch, which we'll do out cool to

30:46

friendship. Kristen! What patch did you say

30:48

this week? Thank you, Josh, this week

30:50

I sewed into my patch an automated

30:52

tooth that misses your teeth and... Brushes

30:55

your eyebrows as you sleep. And Josh,

30:57

what did you Christian, my patch? My

30:59

patch is me at the premiere of

31:01

the new Muppets movie, Muppets Knapping in

31:03

Space. Oh, that sucks. Okay, all right.

31:06

That's what happens when you don't prepare

31:08

them. Okay, well, thank you very much

31:10

everybody. I've, thank you very much. I've

31:12

been Josh, I've been Christian, goodbye, goodbye,

31:15

see ya, bye! Yeah,

31:22

but but but when

31:24

I Can't I can't

31:26

have that conversation