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Welcome to What a Creep! The

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show with Margardonio and Sonia

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Mansfield talking about creeps from

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This is your quick guide

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to the biggest creeps, jerks,

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world to be a little less

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creepy. Welcome

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back to What a Creep! This is

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Margodoneu and my cohort in creepitude as

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always is the amazing Sonia Mansfield.

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Hey Sonia! Hello my friend. We are

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the podcast that talks about creeps from

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the past to the present. We

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are talking about creeps who's been creeping for

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quite a while now. We've talked about P.

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Diddy before, but we have a special guest

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today who's talking about a new podcast devoted

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to all things Puff Daddy and the trial

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that's coming up. We are very excited to

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have him, but if this is your first

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We do pay for it, y'all. We

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our people. Okay, Sonia. Yeah. Are you

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ready? Yeah. All right. Let me get

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into it, and then we'll introduce our

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guest today. Sean Diddy Combs was among

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hip-hop's most influential entertainers and entrepreneurs for

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decades. But Ditty's star began to implode

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when a video came out showing the

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music mogul assaulting his then girlfriend. There

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had been whispers about Ditty's aggressions. But

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critics say his influence and relevance kept

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the rumors quiet until now. A raft

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of new lawsuits detail shocking allegations of

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sexual abuse and manipulation orchestrated in so-called

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freak-offs, which are sex parties organized by

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Ditty. Allegedly. Sorry. Diddy now faces, we

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have a lawyer here by the way,

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so he'll keep me on them straight

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now I hope. We have legal counsel

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now. Diddy now faces charges that include

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sex trafficking. He has denied all wrongdoing

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and said all encounters were consensual and

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a new podcast from 2020 at ABC

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audio traces how whispers of abuse came

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to light and led to Diddy's downfall.

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A.B.C. News Legal Contributor Brian Buckmeyer takes

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listeners inside the rise and fall of

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Diddy, the allegations, and his defense in

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a six-part weekly podcast launched March 25th,

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and I listened to the first episode,

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was great, and returning with twice-weekly real-time

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updates once the trial, which is slated

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for May, gets underway. The podcast is

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called Bad Wrap, The Case Against the

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Case Against Diddy. The first episodes of

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Bad Rub will cover the background on

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the allegations against Combs and his claims

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of innocence. After the initial run, the

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series will pick up twice-weekly episodes during

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Combs' trial with real-time updates according to

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ABC News. Jury selection for Combs' trial

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is set for May 5th, and the

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trial itself is slated to begin May

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12th. Welcome to the show, Brian Buckmeyer.

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Yes, yes, well, thank you so much

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for joining our show today. And I

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guess we would just love to hear

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to start a little bit of background,

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you know, how you got into the

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line of work that you did. And

5:53

I know that you visit the jail

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where he is being detained right now,

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so maybe talk a little bit about

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what you do there and all that

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stuff, but you. Yeah, so I am

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a former public defender at the Legal

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Aid Society in New York. Specifically, I

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practice in Brooklyn about the language as

6:11

well. So I can. Now I know.

6:13

Yes, do it. I'm sorry Disney, I'm

6:15

sorry mom. We'll try to be in

6:17

our best behavior. So I am a

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former public defender at the Legal Aid

6:22

Society in New York. Specifically, I practice

6:24

in Brooklyn. My last couple of years

6:26

I was in what's called the homicide

6:29

defense task force. I did not name

6:31

them. It sounds like a bunch of

6:33

power rangers Basically, I was one of

6:35

the attorneys who helped out with some

6:38

of the more senior attorneys and the

6:40

homicides and myself I did violent felonies

6:42

and and the like I started the

6:44

TV thing really by accident One of

6:47

my friends that saw me make an

6:49

argument and let's say that if you've

6:51

seen me on TV, my legal arguments

6:53

are as colorful as my suits. And

6:56

that's kind of how I got into

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TV. First, law and crime, TV network

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that follows cases and give expert analysis.

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And then ABC saw me and said,

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hey, we kind of like you. Let's

7:07

bring these colorful suits and colorful personality

7:09

to ABC and I've been there for

7:11

about five years now as a legal

7:14

contributor. ADC News Live, I think after

7:16

this, I'm going to go talk about

7:18

the Menendez Brothers, so anything and everything

7:20

that involves legal cases I'm talking about.

7:22

And then now I'm the host of,

7:25

as you said, bad rap, the case

7:27

against Diddy, where we are, I want

7:29

to say following the life of Diddy,

7:31

in a sense, but also bringing people

7:34

regardless of where you are. I loved

7:36

Marga that you call him puffy, because

7:38

I still think of him as puffy,

7:40

and people will say Diddy, and I'm

7:43

like... Where we talk, yeah, Diddy and

7:45

Puffy are the same people, but where

7:47

you call him Sean Combs, Puff Daddy,

7:49

Diddy, I don't know who calls him

7:52

love, we're going to take you wherever

7:54

you're at and bring you all the

7:56

way up into the trial and then

7:58

cover the trial so you know all

8:01

the nitty gritty details. Well, I wanted

8:03

to talk about... I was going to

8:05

say, I've listened to, I guess it's

8:07

your first three episodes, and in particular,

8:10

I love the most recent one about

8:12

Cassie, because there was so much about

8:14

her, I didn't know, I hear a

8:16

lot about him, obviously, but I don't

8:19

know a lot about her, and to

8:21

hear, like, how young she was, and

8:23

the contract she signed with him and

8:25

stuff like. I just appreciate that you

8:27

were telling her story. So thank you

8:30

for that. Yeah. Well, what about his

8:32

case that made you want to go

8:34

deeper and actually do the podcast? So

8:36

I think a number of things. I

8:39

think one of the stories that are

8:41

as old as time as the story

8:43

of a falling from Grace, the concept

8:45

of someone like reaching the mountaintop. I

8:48

mean, I think at some point in

8:50

time and we talk about the podcast,

8:52

Sean Cone was the third billionaire who

8:54

came from hip-hop and R&B. Wow. born

8:57

in the 80s, we don't need to

8:59

date myself at all, but hip-hop was

9:01

told to us at one point in

9:03

time, like it was going to be

9:06

a fad. Like it wasn't going to

9:08

stick around, it was just kind of

9:10

a thing. And then now you have

9:12

people who are billionaires based on it?

9:15

I mean, Jay-Z, Kanye, and I think

9:17

at one point, Sean Combs, right? So

9:19

they had reached that pinnacle that pinnacle,

9:21

and then all of a sudden, I'm

9:26

not sure how universally this is felt,

9:28

but I think a lot of people

9:30

identified with Sean Combs' music. There's a

9:32

piece of everyone's life where there's a

9:34

song that played and it kind of

9:36

like got you through something emotional, whether

9:38

it be like partying, your first date,

9:40

maybe you lost someone around the time

9:42

that Biggie was lost, and you kind

9:44

of identified with the music at some

9:46

point. And I think we have artists

9:48

like that, and they go through something

9:50

like this, there's a... Maybe a sense

9:52

of betrayal. I mean, it's not fair

9:54

because we don't know these people. They

9:56

don't owe us anything to that degree,

9:58

but like Sean Combs was the man

10:01

like he and then all of a

10:03

sudden this and So I think that's

10:05

what kind of drew mean to this,

10:07

and I think a lot of other

10:09

people. Right. Well, I was saying to

10:11

you off the air that I used

10:13

to work at Dan Clores, and this

10:15

is in 1999, 2000, when he was.

10:17

poofy and his publicist was named Natalie

10:19

Moore and she's this very vibrant Australian

10:21

woman and she was working with him

10:23

up until just a few months ago

10:25

not sure why she quit but I

10:27

do remember we worked many many many

10:29

events and you know when you work

10:31

at an agency you use all the

10:33

different clients to you for stuff and

10:35

so we're constantly trying to get puffy

10:37

or any of his multiple multiple multiple

10:40

multiple artists that he was trying to

10:42

promote you know at our event so

10:44

he was everywhere and everybody loved him

10:46

and it just seemed like your grandparents

10:48

knew him parents knew him white people

10:50

like he just seemed to infiltrate and

10:52

just be able to like attract everybody

10:54

yeah I think I tell the joke

10:56

in one of the podcast that when

10:58

Puffy first came out. So I was

11:00

the kid who wore, you guys, again,

11:02

don't want to date myself. When Chris

11:04

Cross came out and they were wearing

11:06

those backwards, jump, jump, jump, we could

11:08

react. Yeah, I wore my clothes backwards

11:10

for a week. And then if you

11:12

know anything about Jamaican mothers, I got

11:14

my backside beat for a week for

11:16

wearing backwards clothes. And it was the

11:18

same thing when I wanted to like

11:21

sing, like, like, puffy lyrics. And then

11:23

now, I mean, not now, but like

11:25

five years ago, my mom would be

11:27

like, why can't you be more like

11:29

puffy? And I'm like, you wouldn't let

11:31

me buy his CDs. Like, what did

11:33

he talk about? Do you remember L.O.

11:35

Cool Jay had the pant leg, like

11:37

one was up and one was down?

11:39

He had a... Yes. Yes, yes. Yeah.

11:41

Yeah, did I maybe call myself? So

11:43

again, I'm not sure if you like

11:45

know what L.L. Koo J stands for,

11:47

but like, I think it stands for

11:49

a lady's love Kool J. Yes. Like,

11:51

did I used to call myself L.L.

11:53

Kool B? Like, yeah. We gravitate towards

11:55

this in a way that it was

11:57

a part of our identity. And now

12:00

it's like, ooh, this is maybe not

12:02

something I want to identify with. L.L.C.

12:04

around the Way Girls, was that him?

12:06

Yeah. Yeah, that's him. Yeah, see, we

12:08

know our stuff. We're older than you,

12:10

so we're a little bit. Just a

12:12

little, just by a little. Just, just,

12:14

we're Gen Xer, so we were, but

12:16

I do remember hit when rap came

12:18

out. Hip up didn't exist as a

12:20

word for me until like 1990. Like

12:22

it was rap before that. And it

12:24

was a very small narrow thing. And

12:26

then to watch like 10 years after

12:28

like 10 years after that. Puff Daddy,

12:30

just like I said, just had so

12:32

many, you know, businesses that he had

12:34

in addition to. Do you talk about

12:36

the basketball event, by the way, the

12:38

tragedy? The city? The city called Stampede.

12:41

Yeah. So throughout the, the, the idea

12:43

of the podcast, especially the first six

12:45

episodes that lead you up to the

12:47

trial, is to give you enough background

12:49

as to who Sean Combs was. So

12:51

we start from the time that he...

12:53

was born in Harlem and moved to

12:55

Mount Vernon and then him kind of

12:57

going to college and then dropping out

12:59

and working at uptown records and then

13:01

stepping out so it's it's everything it's

13:03

something so what I'm in my late

13:05

30s my brother he's in his early

13:07

so mid 20s my mother's in her

13:09

will leap it out so she doesn't

13:11

get mad at me because they're her

13:13

age probably We all know

13:15

different stories of Diddy, but I think

13:18

regardless of where you come in to

13:20

this podcast, you're going to be like,

13:22

oh, I learned something. I didn't know

13:24

about the city college stampede where people

13:27

were injured and died and he was

13:29

accused of overselling the place and there

13:31

were civil lawsuits, but somehow we all

13:34

forgot about it. And then there was

13:36

the case where Jalo supposedly had a

13:38

gun in the bag and Shine went

13:40

to jail for a shooting at a

13:43

shooting at a nightclub and we forgot

13:45

about that. And the podcast kind of

13:47

brings those back to you in a

13:49

way of being like, were these red

13:52

flags that we all just kind of

13:54

ignored or looked past and we should

13:56

have maybe could have maybe seen this

13:58

coming? Or is this just an outlier

14:01

these allegations now? we kind of leave

14:03

you as the audience to come to

14:05

your own answer. Wasn't there somebody used

14:08

to stab people? Was it Jay-Z? There

14:10

was somebody that used to like get

14:12

in trouble for stabbing around that time

14:14

too. Okay, never mind. That's the next

14:17

podcast I guess. We'll figure out. Well,

14:19

so P Diddy has been in the

14:21

spotlight since the 90s. So I'm assuming

14:23

you've gone through like decades of interviews

14:26

and video footage and like... How many

14:28

hours do you think you've gone through

14:30

of footage? The great thing is I

14:32

don't have to go through it and

14:35

there are some phenomenal people at ABC

14:37

Radio in 2020 who have gone through

14:39

the hours in it. I get to

14:41

be, I like to call it a

14:44

legal princess and I just feel like

14:46

I just know the law. Bring me

14:48

the transcripts or the indictments. And I

14:51

will read those and I will tell

14:53

you what they mean and I will

14:55

explain how it works. I know of

14:57

three reputations, some of the attorneys who

15:00

are representing him, I can explain that.

15:02

But if you want to go through

15:04

like hours of stuff, I'm a legal

15:06

princess that someone else does that. And

15:09

I thank so much the men and

15:11

women who work at A to C

15:13

who do that because it really brings

15:15

this podcast to life. Where did you

15:18

go to law school? I went to

15:20

Washington, Lee School School of Law School

15:22

of Lawts in Lexington, Lexington, Virginia. Great

15:24

time, had amazing professors, somehow they molded

15:27

this ridiculous mind into a legal scholar

15:29

and then went to law school. I

15:31

mean, I became an attorney. And do

15:34

you enjoy being an attorney? Yes. I

15:36

laugh because I had this conversation with

15:38

my father-in-law when I asked if it

15:40

was okay if I married his youngest

15:43

daughter. And he was like, so like,

15:45

what are you going to do? Like,

15:47

just be a public defender all your

15:49

life? And it's like... Maybe it's what

15:52

I love like there's the law fascinates

15:54

me and I think in this pod

15:56

What I really enjoyed is ABC Audio

15:58

and 2020 were really keen on telling

16:01

a story and they let me be

16:03

a legal nerd when I could be

16:05

a legal nerd and we got in

16:08

the opportunities to explain the case, break

16:10

down the allegations in a way that

16:12

I think after you listen to parts

16:14

of the podcast. I want people to

16:17

be able to go to their work,

16:19

go to their, I mean if you

16:21

do talk to the water cooler nowadays,

16:23

and be like, you know what cool

16:26

thing I heard about RICO allegations and

16:28

how they could work? Yeah. I know

16:30

I heard about like Sean Combs who's

16:32

accused of blowing up a car that

16:35

belonged to Kid Cuddy because he allegedly

16:37

threatened Cassie, like not to talk to

16:39

him, and we try to bring him

16:41

those little nuggets to make it very

16:44

interesting for everyone. Well tell me a

16:46

little bit about where he is staying.

16:48

Park Slope Brooklyn. When I go to

16:51

the Costco with one of my best

16:53

friends, we always get the hot dogs

16:55

and then we always like joke about

16:57

who's staying at that fabulous prison that's

17:00

like right next door. I love that

17:02

you use the word staying. But I

17:04

knew that because the Nexium guy was

17:06

there and we used to watch those

17:09

fools that would be hanging out outside,

17:11

like, you know, cheering up for him,

17:13

like he would wave. I swear to

17:15

God so, yeah, like this is a

17:18

very famous jail in Brooklyn. And you

17:20

listen to the first episode, but I'd

17:22

love for you to dig in a

17:24

little bit more about like, you know,

17:27

what are the conditions like there? Because

17:29

this man has really fallen a great

17:31

distance from where he was. Yeah, so

17:34

the Metropolitan Detention Center, as most people

17:36

call it, MDC, is where he is

17:38

staying. And to your point, it's a

17:40

place where a lot of famous people

17:43

have been, the Southern District of New

17:45

York, which occupies Manhattan, if then you

17:47

go further up, I think it's Orange

17:49

County, Westchester, but mainly Manhattan, that's where

17:52

you got like a high profile case.

17:54

that's for people's stay. It also has

17:56

the Eastern District of New York. So

17:58

if you think, and they stay there

18:01

pending prosecution, or waiting for a trial,

18:03

or to be transferred to a prison,

18:05

so you think R. Kelly was there,

18:08

Geline Maxwell was there, Sam Bankman Fried

18:10

was there, I have seen, because I

18:12

go there myself, Luigi Mangioni is currently

18:14

there, and of course, Sean Combs is

18:17

there. Now, in the first episode, it

18:19

was really cool, because again, this is...

18:21

what I love about ABC with this

18:23

podcast, kind of blending my nerdiness with

18:26

their storytelling. They're like, okay, we want

18:28

to talk about MDC, and I remember

18:30

getting the call or the text message,

18:32

whatever it was, and like, when can

18:35

we record you talking about MDC? And

18:37

I was like, well, I'm going tomorrow

18:39

to go see one of my clients.

18:41

Do you just want to go with

18:44

me? And you can't go inside, because

18:46

there's no cameras. But I can like

18:48

show you what the building is, I

18:51

can show you the different wings and

18:53

explain to you that there's general population

18:55

where most people are interacting with each

18:57

other on various floors of MDC. There's

19:00

also segregated population where we know Sean

19:02

comes and spend most of his time

19:04

where he's not with general population. He's

19:06

not really in isolation by himself, but

19:09

he's in a smaller unit where there'd

19:11

be greater protection and greater oversight and

19:13

people who are famous because... You don't

19:15

want Sean Combs interacting with the general

19:18

population for his safety and the safety

19:20

about this for a number of reasons.

19:22

I can't imagine what they have to

19:24

go through to keep him separated from

19:27

other people and to keep him safe

19:29

because you know there's you know yeah

19:31

and I mean and then also like

19:34

I mean we listed a number of

19:36

people who have been at MDC. Also,

19:38

Jeffrey Epstein was there and we all

19:40

know what happened in that situation. And

19:43

so there's been a greater scrutiny of

19:45

protection just so that people are still

19:47

safe while they're in there, but also

19:49

that the victims and alleged victims get

19:52

their day of justice because someone not

19:54

making it to court, Robinson of that

19:56

as well. Well, there was also a

19:58

time when you said like the power

20:01

went out and they were without he.

20:03

and electricity for like a week, like

20:05

what kind of conditions is he really

20:07

under there? Yeah, so it's bad. I

20:10

mean, it's not good. I know if

20:12

you're comparing it to other places like

20:14

Rikers, I've heard people say it's not

20:17

as bad as Rikers, but it's still

20:19

not great. I think what you're talking

20:21

about is during the pandemic, there were

20:23

power outages during the summer and the

20:26

winter where New York is not the

20:28

warmest place in the world, and just

20:30

to remind people, we are. on the

20:32

ocean and sunset Brooklyn where the park,

20:35

where the, sorry, where the jail is

20:37

is right on the water. And so

20:39

when there is no power, it is

20:41

frigid. I've heard stories both through litigation

20:44

as well as current and not so

20:46

much current, but former clients talking about

20:48

the stories they've heard of people being

20:51

without power, having to shower in the

20:53

toilet. So if you can imagine, and

20:55

then dumping water on yourself so that

20:57

the water catches into the toilet because

21:00

you can't let the water catch on

21:02

to the floor because it's not appropriate

21:04

drainage. And that's how you shower. So

21:06

you got to go to the scene,

21:09

take the water, pour on yourself and

21:11

clean. So her stories like that, and

21:13

of course it's cold and no heat,

21:15

and then in the summer it would

21:18

be just hot and no AC, locked

21:20

down. That's humid in New York. Yeah.

21:22

And then lockdowns occur. often as well,

21:24

where there might be understaffing. And I

21:27

do have to put this little plug-in

21:29

for the correction officers at NBC. From

21:31

what I've seen, professional overall. The biggest

21:34

slight I would say about NDC is

21:36

often under staffing and that's not a

21:38

that's not a dig at those who

21:40

are working there it's like anywhere else

21:43

you go to a fast food restaurant

21:45

and you want to get your food

21:47

but there's only one person behind the

21:49

counter you don't shoot the messengers like

21:52

hey like this place should be better

21:54

staffed to make it work better for

21:56

everyone and I think that's where a

21:58

lot of the issues come when it

22:01

comes to lockdown were being kept in

22:03

their cells, how long than they should,

22:05

and kind of the shortcomings of MDC

22:07

generally. But of course, like any other

22:10

job, there are bad apples who do

22:12

bad things, but what I'm saying is

22:14

the majority issues I see are with

22:17

staffing. Yeah. Well, you know, that we're

22:19

all entitled to due process, so that

22:21

does mean that they should be able

22:23

to be, you know, kept someplace where

22:26

they do have the basic decent, decent,

22:28

decent things that people need. How much

22:30

access does he have to... a lawyer

22:32

to the internet to anything? What is

22:35

this electronics life like? So no electronics.

22:37

And so we know that from his

22:39

arguments to try to get out on

22:41

bail, and there are four arguments, each

22:44

one of them denied, that in the

22:46

process of that the government were processors

22:48

as you are also called, came forward

22:51

and said, no, he's going to be

22:53

a danger to society. Look, we have

22:55

him making phone calls trying to tamper

22:57

with witnesses, telling people to go talk

23:00

to this person to say, I'm going

23:02

to take care of you. And they

23:04

made all these allegations. And so his,

23:06

from what I understand, his ability to

23:09

contact people outside has been limited to

23:11

phone calls. And he doesn't have a

23:13

laptop. He doesn't have the internet to

23:15

kind of go searching through things. He,

23:18

of course, has the ability to talk

23:20

to his attorneys, has the ability to

23:22

speak with him on assuming in a

23:24

small room, because I have that ability

23:27

as well with my clients. I don't

23:29

think he has any special requirements where

23:31

he can't be in a private room

23:34

to speak with his attorneys. And I

23:36

would imagine he's speaking to them daily,

23:38

if not every other day at the

23:40

very least, especially, probably more so now,

23:43

as we get closer and closer to

23:45

the trial. Right, I just wonder what

23:47

his day-to-day life is like. I mean,

23:49

you know, he's used to being able

23:52

to get whatever he wanted in a

23:54

second, right, for 30 years. Yeah, so

23:56

I would imagine unless there's a very

23:58

specific restriction on him, probably 23 hours

24:01

in segregated population by himself or he'd

24:03

be in a cell by himself where

24:05

he'd have the ability to maybe... talk

24:07

to someone on the other side of

24:10

a wall or if he's in one

24:12

of the areas I've heard they're kind

24:14

of like fenced in in different fenced

24:17

rooms and you can see and talk

24:19

to someone else but he might not

24:21

necessarily be able to interact with them

24:23

and then depending on staffing as well

24:26

as a day of the week or

24:28

whatever's going on I know I've heard

24:30

of some clients complaining that there have

24:32

been lockdowns you talk about the next

24:35

scene in person yeah I think the

24:37

one now is fans of the Luigiimangio

24:39

and cheeringering and cheering outside yeah yeah

24:41

yeah and that can lead to lockdowns.

24:44

But if there's no lockdowns, he might

24:46

be able to get outside for an

24:48

hour a day, or maybe more than

24:51

that, again, depending on the restrictions they've

24:53

set up for him for whatever violations

24:55

or non-violations or whatever the day may

24:57

hold for him. Is he working out?

25:00

I'm serious. I'm really curious. I'm really

25:02

curious. I would go crazy under those

25:04

circumstances. I must be really, really tough.

25:06

Well, you're, you think about how much

25:09

control you have over your life every

25:11

single day and have it all taken

25:13

away from you. And as much as

25:15

he had and how much he's lost,

25:18

you know. I mean, it's not the

25:20

equinox, but I'm guessing he's doing push-ups

25:22

and sit-ups. my experience with clients who

25:24

have been incarcerated for this long and

25:27

then any amount of time is long

25:29

especially for a person who lived that

25:31

lifestyle but he's been in since November

25:34

of last year going to trial in

25:36

May in the grand scheme of things

25:38

that's that that's pretty quickly but for

25:40

that many months. I would imagine he's

25:43

working out in his cell. He would

25:45

have enough space to do push-ups and

25:47

sit-ups and dips of that nature, whether

25:49

or not he's doing it. I haven't

25:52

seen him, but I know Aaron Kertzki,

25:54

who's on the podcast as well, ATC's

25:56

chief investigative reporter, he's seen him in

25:58

court, and I'll see him in court

26:01

as well when the trial starts up,

26:03

and we'll see what his physical features

26:05

are like. My picture, Linda Hamilton and

26:07

T2. It's how I win, prepare, I

26:10

mean, because you would go. Seriously, you

26:12

would go crazy. I want to just

26:14

be kind of really, maybe I'm a

26:17

big simpleton here, but what is he

26:19

actually on trial for that's going to

26:21

be starting on May 12th? What is

26:23

specifically? That's not a simpleton. Not a

26:26

simpleton at all. Okay. So, um, there

26:28

was an initial indictment and I believe

26:30

we are now on superseding indictment three

26:32

or four. And superseding just simply means

26:35

that the newest one replaces the last

26:37

one. That's all. And so he has

26:39

five counts or five charges, but three

26:41

different charges. He is being charged with

26:44

what's called racketeering conspiracy, and you've probably

26:46

heard of RICO before, and that's what

26:48

that is. What that generally means is

26:51

that he's being accused of having a

26:53

criminal enterprise, like a criminal business or

26:55

corporation, that does acts both criminal and

26:57

non-criminal and non-criminal to funnel a criminal

27:00

outcome. that criminal outcome as the government

27:02

is accusing or freakoffs. And so what

27:04

I mean by that is having a

27:06

bunch of people at your home and

27:09

giving them drugs against their will where

27:11

you are providing them with drugs and

27:13

then having sex with them when they

27:15

cannot consent, that is a crime. But

27:18

part of that RICO is also the

27:20

person who goes and gets the alleged

27:22

sex workers from different states and flies

27:24

them into wherever you're going to have

27:27

those free costs. Buying a plane ticket

27:29

for someone is not a crime, but

27:31

if you're buying a plane ticket for

27:34

someone who's going to fly to a

27:36

destination and then allegedly be raped, then

27:38

that's part of the criminal enterprise. And

27:40

that's what I'm talking about criminal and

27:43

non-criminal actions. He's also being charged with

27:45

two counts of sex trafficking by forced

27:47

fraud or coercion. And so that is

27:49

causing someone to affect interstate commerce, which

27:52

is just a fancy way of saying,

27:54

you're crossing over state lines and monies

27:56

being exchanged. And you are compelling them

27:58

to be a sex worker by forcing

28:01

them to do so, by promising them

28:03

something and saying that they won't get

28:05

it by a business. maybe a missense.

28:07

I'm going to produce your album, but

28:10

they hold it over you until you

28:12

have sex with them. So that might

28:14

be an essence of fraud or coercion.

28:17

Do this or I will blow up

28:19

this person's car who you're talking to.

28:21

That's one of the alleged allegations here.

28:23

And he's facing two counts of transportation

28:26

for the purpose of prostitution, which is

28:28

just moving someone across state lines who

28:30

is a sex worker to have sex

28:32

with them. And that's basically what he's

28:35

facing. The racketeering conspiracy? That is penalized

28:37

by up to life in prison. So

28:39

he's literally facing life. And he's claiming

28:41

not guilty. Yeah. Yeah. He is adamant

28:44

through his attorneys and also in his

28:46

plea is saying, I am not guilty.

28:48

I am not doing this. This is

28:50

people who are looking for a payday.

28:53

These are people who are lying. These

28:55

are people who had... He's never said

28:57

this, but this is the umbrella that

29:00

this defense is. They call it buyer's

29:02

remorse, and I'm using air quotes for

29:04

those who can't see me, where they

29:06

say, this was consent, now they don't

29:09

like it, now years later, they're calling

29:11

it rape. And that's, in essence, a

29:13

lot of the arguments here, where he's

29:15

being accused of sexually assaulting and raping

29:18

for alleged victims. The first one we

29:20

believe to be hassy, and I think

29:22

everyone pretty much. understand that's casting. Right,

29:24

well he also was caught on tape

29:27

beating her. I mean it's it's not

29:29

too far of a leap to say

29:31

that he would treat her badly that

29:34

there are other things that he could

29:36

do to her. I mean I just

29:38

it's so funny because like 20 years

29:40

ago it would have been like well

29:43

that's your fault you should have gone

29:45

he has a bad reputation why were

29:47

you doing drugs? I mean I think

29:49

people used to use that as an

29:52

argument against people. Yeah, victim blaming. victim

29:54

blaming, exactly. And it's, and we just

29:56

have a much deeper understanding now, and

29:58

especially of grooming, and also just like

30:01

you said, it's like, they're taking people

30:03

across state lines to do this, like

30:05

you're not easily. it's not easy to

30:07

access a way out of a situation

30:10

if you feel like you're trapped there.

30:12

Yeah, so I think yes, everything you're

30:14

saying, there are levels to this, as

30:17

I would say. In the past, there

30:19

have been those arguments of, well, she

30:21

says that she got rates, but she

30:23

didn't report it for like a month

30:26

later, so clearly that's a lie. I

30:28

think that people through the criminal justice

30:30

system and as well through various. testimony

30:32

of victims, we have a better understanding

30:35

of how the mindset of a victim

30:37

works. And I say victim, not alleged

30:39

victim, because when we can corroborate that

30:41

they are victims and we study how

30:44

they respond to that trauma, we now

30:46

understand that taking time to report makes

30:48

sense. Twenty years ago, we do not

30:50

understand that. Twenty years ago when we

30:53

said, okay, well she's, and again, I'm

30:55

just this air quotes, this is me

30:57

making a sight to kind of paint

31:00

a picture. Oh, she's the secretary looking

31:02

for a raise, so she's going to

31:04

let him smack her on her ass

31:06

a couple of times. That's just the

31:09

way we do business. In the 90s,

31:11

yes, in 2025, we're like, no, that's

31:13

not okay. We understand that more now.

31:15

And so, take that for however you

31:18

feel. I know some people take a

31:20

position of... It was a 90s, that's

31:22

how we did things. You can't make

31:24

it criminal now. And other people say,

31:27

well, we know better, and we even

31:29

knew that was wrong now. Now we

31:31

know why it's wrong, and that's why

31:34

he prosecuted. I mean, no commentaries to

31:36

other people's beliefs on that, but this

31:38

is where we are and how it's

31:40

being prosecuted today. He was very, very

31:43

powerful. That's the thing that you have

31:45

to remember. Just he had, I mean,

31:47

the president. friendly with all the presidents

31:49

with Donald Trump the current president we

31:52

have now but also former presidents I

31:54

mean he had white people and black

31:56

people like completely in his pocket and

31:58

so he had the declaration of independence

32:01

at a party that story is bananas

32:03

to me can you say that Sorry,

32:05

please. So, and just as a background,

32:07

I'm Canadian, studied American law. I understand

32:10

how you guys revere the declaration of

32:12

independence. I've seen movies that you guys

32:14

be like, well, we're going to like

32:17

go in a tunnel and like save

32:19

the declaration of independence. You have an

32:21

entire like franchise. Yes. Yeah, Nicholas Cage

32:23

is living large off of like stories

32:26

of, like stories of, and you like

32:28

this guy with the declaration of independence

32:30

at a party? Like, that's the amount

32:32

of power that he had. And I

32:35

think the story is, and we tell

32:37

it in the podcast, that he started

32:39

the voter dying kind of campaign. At

32:41

the time, there was this little unknown

32:44

senator from Illinois who had dreams about

32:46

being the president. And he did. Barack

32:48

Obama became the president. And there's this

32:50

movement about voter died, the African-American and

32:53

black community, having much more participation and

32:55

voting. And for one of his white

32:57

parties on the 4th of July, he...

33:00

showed up with a declaration of independence.

33:02

So like yeah, he had a lot

33:04

of power. Oh, and I was also

33:06

saying, you know, there were younger artists

33:09

that he took care of, and one

33:11

of them was being Justin Bieber, and

33:13

Justin Bieber is having a lot of

33:15

kind of difficulties now, but it does

33:18

kind of make you wonder what it

33:20

was like for him when he's like

33:22

14, 15? Like, you know, how much

33:24

power, did he dazzled people, being my

33:27

point? Well, the good thing about the

33:29

podcast is we kind of jump back.

33:31

We jump back and kind of chronologically

33:34

look at his life and his rise

33:36

to fame, how there were all these

33:38

kind of red flags or brushes with

33:40

the law and how they kind of

33:43

just follow part. But we also juxtapose

33:45

what we knew of Sean Cones in

33:47

a public eye and the allegations that

33:49

we're now learning now. So we look

33:52

at the Kono Bright interview where he

33:54

says. Oh, yeah. Yeah, party's got to

33:56

make sure that there's water for women,

33:58

because you know, women get thirsty. And

34:01

then sometimes we like lock the doors.

34:03

And we all laugh then, the entire

34:05

life. Locking doors? What? Now we understand.

34:07

That's wild. You look at some of

34:10

the interviews with Usher, who was mentored

34:12

by Sean Cohn's beforehand, where he says,

34:14

uh, summoned to the effect of, well,

34:17

I saw some of the things that

34:19

I might not have prepared for the

34:21

time, and I think the, the interviewer

34:23

asked, but would you let your children

34:26

go to Sean Cohn's party? He's like,

34:28

like, Did we miss? Yeah. Do we

34:30

miss something? And then we kind of

34:32

asked that question. Again, Sean Combs, and

34:35

this is a lawyer in me, going

34:37

to put a hat back on. Sean

34:39

Combs is innocent, and I don't even

34:41

say until proven guilty. I say he's

34:44

innocent unless he is proven guilty, because

34:46

it's still a question mark, right? His

34:48

attorneys have vehemently denied the allegations, and

34:50

he deserves that presumption of innocence from

34:53

the jury, not necessarily everyone else. The

34:55

jury has to give him that. Well,

34:57

there's enough that you can kind of

35:00

look back and be like, what was

35:02

that about now? You can look and

35:04

listen to Howard Stern interviews. I mean,

35:06

it's such an interesting zeitgeist of what

35:09

is going on in the culture. You

35:11

go like 1995 Howard Stern interview with

35:13

our president, Donald Trump, let's just say,

35:15

and they goof off and say, oh,

35:18

you're a sexual assault, or he goes,

35:20

oh, yeah, I'm a predator, ha ha

35:22

ha ha. And everybody laughed about it.

35:24

I mean, then. When Howard Stern now

35:27

talks about people and he has people

35:29

like Usher on and Usher says, no

35:31

I would never bring my kid there

35:34

to one of those parties. Whereas 20

35:36

years ago they would have just laughed

35:38

it off. I mean you can kind

35:40

of see the change of like how

35:43

we talked about things. You know partying

35:45

was in the 90s especially was considered

35:47

like you're right. You know. I

35:50

go back and forth on this

35:52

because people always ask me this question,

35:54

like what do you think? Because

35:56

like back then we did things differently

35:59

than we do now. And I say

36:01

don't ask. and questions, I was born

36:03

in the 80s, where in the

36:05

early 2000s, it was socially acceptable to

36:08

like, walk up behind a group

36:10

of women and like just gyrate your,

36:12

like, growing on a woman's backside. And

36:14

if two of her friends looked at

36:17

you and like gave her friend

36:19

the thumbs up and be like, he's

36:21

cute, like, that was socially acceptable.

36:23

And then now I would never imagine

36:25

dancing, I would like, go face to

36:28

face to face, like, hey, nice to

36:30

meet you, would you like to

36:32

dance? Do I agree that certain things

36:34

were different back then? Absolutely. But

36:36

that's not what's being alleged here. It's

36:39

not like the awkward social stuff. He's

36:41

accused of putting GHB, I believe, in

36:43

industrial quantities of baby oil and

36:45

putting them on people and allegedly having

36:48

sex with them and fregops and

36:50

recording it and directing it and people

36:52

saying I don't want to participate in

36:54

it. He's accused in some civil lawsuits

36:57

of... of following up and choking

36:59

people to make sure that that doesn't

37:01

come out. There's I think a

37:03

world apart from like, I used to

37:05

do things differently and then something's allegations.

37:08

And yeah, there's certain things that we

37:10

used to do that did, but

37:12

then some things I'm like, but again,

37:14

allegations and I've seen bad allegations

37:16

before and then go to the trial

37:19

and be like. Wow, it was worse

37:21

than what I thought. Right. And we're

37:23

just going to have to figure

37:25

out which one it is for Sean

37:28

Combs. What is his life like

37:30

with civil lawsuits that are coming up?

37:32

So right now, they're pretty much

37:34

on pause. And the reason why civil

37:36

lawsuits are typically on pause is because

37:39

the nature of civil lawsuits as they

37:41

begin to progress. At some point

37:43

in time, both sides have to sit

37:46

down for depositions or just be

37:48

questioned by the opposing side's attorneys. And

37:50

so Sean Cones has the greatest of

37:52

arguments to say I can't sit down

37:55

for depositions because that would violate

37:57

my shift amendment right and the federal.

37:59

government is trying to take away

38:01

my liberty. And so right now I

38:03

think it's like 50, 60 plus civil

38:06

lawsuits. that in some ways, shape, or

38:08

form are moving forward, not moving

38:10

forward. Some are getting dismissed. We know,

38:12

for example, Tony Busby, the Houston-based

38:14

attorney, who said he spoke to hundreds

38:17

of people and brought forward about 40

38:19

or so civil lawsuits. He had to

38:21

drop a number of lawsuits. I

38:23

want to say about 14, because he

38:26

was not admitted into the Southern

38:28

District of New York when he filed

38:30

those lawsuits. So those are gone. We

38:32

also know that the lawsuit that Tony

38:35

Busby had alleging both Sean Combs

38:37

and Jay-Z, raping a then 13-year-old, was

38:39

dropped with prejudice, meaning it can't

38:41

come back because the alleged victim wanted

38:43

to drop it. We also know that

38:46

there are lawsuits who are people were

38:48

filing as Jane or John Doe,

38:50

and it's getting to the point where

38:52

the judge says, okay, you have

38:54

to release your name, or the case

38:57

gets dismissed. And so we've seen some

38:59

of those cases get dismissed because the

39:01

alleged victim does not want to

39:03

release their name. bundle of those. Some

39:06

getting dismissed, some moving forward, some

39:08

being paused, and really just waiting to

39:10

see how this criminal case wraps

39:12

up. Well, it's interesting because James Comac,

39:14

who's a director and Sony and I

39:17

did an episode about him, who is

39:19

accused by dozens of women or

39:21

hundreds of women. Many, many, many, many

39:23

women. And yesterday was, what, $1

39:25

billion? The judgment. Yeah, I was like

39:28

1.2. Yeah, and I think in his

39:30

mind, like, well, I'm 80 years old,

39:32

probably going to be dead soon

39:34

anyway, so, you know, what are you

39:37

going to do about it? But

39:39

it's a different, it's a different thing

39:41

when it's that kind of a civil

39:43

lawsuit versus a criminal case that he's

39:46

doing now. How are you going

39:48

to find a jury pool in Brooklyn,

39:50

New York, for Puff Daddy? I'll

39:52

go for his original nickname nickname. The

39:54

good thing is that the Summit District

39:57

of New York, so it expands more

39:59

than just one. county. But oftentimes

40:01

I think it's mostly people from Manhattan

40:03

who show up and it's going

40:05

to be difficult but I don't think

40:08

impossible. I think them believing that they'll

40:10

start jury selection in on May 5th,

40:12

sorry, and then start a trial

40:14

on May 12th a week after and

40:17

it's not seven days, it's five

40:19

days because they don't show up on

40:21

the weekend. I think it's very ambitious.

40:23

I think they're going to have some

40:26

trouble finding people. don't know about

40:28

the case or haven't made up an

40:30

opinion as to Sean Cones' guilt

40:32

or innocence. But it's not the first

40:34

time a celebrity or famous person has

40:37

been accused of a crime. It's not

40:39

the last time. And there are

40:41

ways to getting a jury. It's just

40:43

a matter of how long rather

40:45

than if it's going to happen. And

40:48

the Southern District of New York

40:50

is a very tough place. I mean,

40:52

they have a very high rate of

40:54

convictions, do they not? Yeah, so we

40:57

talk about this in the podcast,

40:59

the Southern District of New York, I

41:01

think in the last, I don't

41:03

think 2024 is out, but I know

41:05

that 2023 and I think 2022 have

41:08

a similar numbers. They have a conviction

41:10

rate of 90 to 95%. Now,

41:12

a lot of that is people pleading

41:14

guilty, but still, if you are

41:16

indicted by the Southern District of New

41:19

York statistically speaking, there's a 90 to

41:21

95 chance you are going to be

41:23

indicted, be convicted, sorry. They don't

41:25

play around. My father's a general contractor

41:28

and he also used to teach

41:30

me, measure twice, cut once. I think

41:32

the Southern District of New York measures

41:34

10 times and cuts once. Yep. If

41:37

they're coming out to you, they're

41:39

pretty sure. And then, that's how they

41:41

move. They're featured on our podcast

41:43

quite a bit. We always say, oh,

41:45

that's the Southern District of New York.

41:48

Yeah, they come up a lot. They

41:50

come up a lot for sure.

41:52

Is there anything you've discovered while putting

41:54

together the podcasts? God damn. Maybe

41:56

not in putting together the podcast, but

41:59

I can I you already hear this

42:01

a lot if you guys have heard

42:03

me talk about this on air.

42:06

For some reason, the arson charge in

42:08

the RICO allegation of him being

42:10

accused of blowing up Kid Cuddy's car,

42:12

that one shocked me. And I think

42:15

the reason why that is, is I

42:17

represented, I think over 5,000, maybe

42:19

5,500 people. It's really hard to shock

42:21

me when it comes to criminal

42:23

cases. I've worked with the ABC for

42:26

five years, law and crime before that.

42:28

I've maybe watched. thousands

42:30

of trials now, you're not going

42:32

to shock me. In fact, during

42:34

the podcast, a lot of the

42:36

times, the people, the producers are

42:38

like, Brian, you've got to say

42:41

this, like, it's exciting, or like,

42:43

it's shocking. It's like, I talk

42:45

about rate five times a week,

42:47

like, it's, it's, like, that's my

42:49

normal day, unfortunately. So not a

42:51

lot shocked me about ditty, but

42:53

the arson did. Because typically that's

42:55

not something that person who's accused

42:58

of raping individuals do. Like that,

43:00

that, that veers into bond villain

43:02

territory in my mind. Or good

43:04

fellas. That's where I think it

43:06

is. Yeah. The video of Cassie

43:08

was shocking to me, not because

43:10

of the assault of an individual.

43:13

I've, I've unfortunately watched more videos

43:15

of people assaulting each other than

43:17

I care to. say, but this

43:19

one was unique to me. This

43:21

wasn't, I'm fighting someone because it's

43:23

gang related and you shot my

43:25

friend and I'm shooting back or

43:27

this is domestic violence and I'm

43:30

angry because you cheated on me.

43:32

This was in my opinion, you're

43:34

my property, and I'm going to

43:36

treat you as such. And I

43:38

just saw level of dehumanization that,

43:40

and again, was on homicide defense

43:42

task force of a legal aid

43:44

society, I have. seen autopsies, I've

43:47

seen people get shot and killed,

43:49

I have seen people in front

43:51

of me get killed. But this

43:53

one to me was, was bad.

43:55

That's a different level of assaulting

43:57

someone. And that took me back

43:59

a little. And what happened with

44:01

that? Did the hotel pay off?

44:04

Or did he pay off the

44:06

hotel for that? So, and we

44:08

dive a little deeper into it

44:10

for the podcast. And I'm sorry

44:12

if I keep saying that. No,

44:14

that's why we're here. You're here

44:16

to promote it. I only want

44:19

to tease you guys. I want

44:21

to give you everything. I still

44:23

want you guys to go and

44:25

listen and give commentary. Good and

44:27

bad, because I like to try

44:29

and get commentary. Good and bad,

44:31

because I like to try to

44:33

get better with every episode. And

44:36

so we do take the commentary

44:38

seriously. I know some people. I

44:40

want to provide the best product

44:42

for everyone. But with the allegation

44:44

of, kind of lost my train

44:46

of thought there, sorry, because I

44:48

want to thank people first. With

44:50

the allegation, we do go on

44:53

the podcast where we kind of

44:55

highlight that it's happened. We talk

44:57

to people in the background and

44:59

we try not to provide an

45:01

answer, we try to give more

45:03

background of like, all right, here

45:05

is this fact that lends itself

45:08

in this direction, here's what the

45:10

defense is saying, here's what the

45:12

government's saying, here's what the government's

45:14

saying, here is the evidence, here's

45:16

how both sides are arguing through

45:18

their motions, and then we're going

45:20

to see how it plays out

45:22

at the trial. Separating the art

45:25

from the artist and the person

45:27

that does bad things but they

45:29

make great music. Michael Jackson is

45:31

the great example of that. We

45:33

grew up loving his music. I

45:35

mean, I tried to explain to

45:37

somebody really young how famous he

45:39

was at one time and it's...

45:42

almost impossible to get a class.

45:44

Yeah, I mean, talk about someone

45:46

who was giving you red flags

45:48

for a really, really long time.

45:50

And we were like, no, no,

45:52

he's just eccentric or, you know,

45:54

whatever. He just has, yeah, Emmanuel

45:56

Lewis in his lap, you know,

45:59

as a date for the, you

46:01

know, the Oscars or whatever it

46:03

was. Yeah, yeah, and. Yeah younger

46:05

people than see those see that

46:07

footage and watch the documentaries and

46:09

they're like y'all are weird like

46:11

how did you not pick up

46:14

on that you know yeah no

46:16

I I get it again I've

46:18

got siblings who are over a

46:20

decade younger than I am and

46:22

I've had this conversation a lot

46:24

and I think they understand it

46:26

I think it's just more specific

46:28

to the people that we watch

46:31

and I say like you I

46:33

don't know who the people in

46:35

their 20s listen to. My sister

46:37

says I'm the oldest young person

46:39

she knows or the youngest old

46:41

person she knows and I'm like

46:43

I don't know how to take

46:45

that one. There's also like a

46:48

list of words I'm not allowed

46:50

to say on air like I've

46:52

got ops or oh I've got

46:54

ris. I'm not allowed to use

46:56

these words. My son says suss

46:58

a lot, that's suss. Yeah. But

47:00

I think everyone romanticizes their artists,

47:03

their heroes, the people they look

47:05

up to. And I think at

47:07

some point there is a transition

47:09

from being a person, an artist,

47:11

and then an icon. And icons

47:13

cannot be taken down. They cannot

47:15

be damaged in a certain way.

47:17

And going back to your example

47:20

of Michael Jackson, when there are

47:22

videos of Michael Jackson stepping out

47:24

on stage and women passing out.

47:26

Yeah. They have to bring, they

47:28

have to bring like medical services

47:30

to help people like he was,

47:32

he didn't even sing and people

47:34

were passing out just because of

47:37

his presence. Right. Like he was

47:39

larger than life and so I

47:41

can see why people would have

47:43

difficulties of being like, I don't

47:45

know, I heard his rumors but

47:47

I don't really trust it because

47:49

he's this and he's that. And

47:51

so yeah, that happens and did

47:54

that happen to us? What did

47:56

he? So the expectations I've

47:58

heard is. about eight weeks. And

48:00

just to kind of give you

48:02

a reference, R. Kelly was in

48:04

the Eastern District of New York,

48:06

which is in Brooklyn. I would

48:08

say like some of it a

48:10

sister court than the Southern District

48:12

of New York. Similar allegations, not

48:15

as much of a large breadth

48:17

of allegations, though, and that took

48:19

six weeks. So I would anticipate

48:21

this. The only question for me

48:23

is, does this get resolved before

48:25

or after the 4th of July?

48:27

Also, like, is he going to

48:29

have any, anybody speak to his

48:31

character? Are we going to have

48:33

a parade of, like, famous people

48:35

are like, no, he didn't beat

48:37

me up? I mean, I would

48:39

imagine a family numbers. I would

48:41

imagine that people that had worked

48:43

with him, Mark Ignifalo, his attorney,

48:45

from what I understand of his

48:47

reputation, understands how to do holistic

48:50

representation, both in terms of arguing

48:52

guilt or innocence, but also if

48:54

you get to that point of...

48:56

your client is guilty, how do

48:58

you minimize damage through mitigation? And

49:00

so I would expect that as

49:02

well. I mean, say what you

49:04

want about all of the famous

49:06

men who have now been convicted

49:08

of crimes, Cosby, R. Kelly, civil

49:10

allegations against Michael Jackson, they did

49:12

good. There are things that they

49:14

did that really helped people. At

49:16

one point in time, Sean Combs

49:18

had, I think, a scholarship at

49:20

his alma mater, Howard. I think

49:22

Jackson State University, he donated a

49:25

million dollars to these sports, the

49:27

athletic facilities there. There was good

49:29

that they did. And I'm sure

49:31

there are people who will come

49:33

forward and talk about that good.

49:35

But they're also going to be

49:37

people who are going to accuse

49:39

him and talk. poorly of his

49:41

character based on the allegations that

49:43

he's facing now. Right. Can you

49:45

say when to get, how often

49:47

these episodes are coming out again?

49:49

Yeah, so I believe the, what

49:51

was it, writing? So yeah, so.

49:53

Episodes come out every Tuesday. There

49:55

are three episodes out now. There

49:57

will be three more, the next

50:00

one being on Tuesday. And then

50:02

when the trial begins, there will

50:04

be two episodes every week. Kind

50:06

of just giving you updates as

50:08

to what's going on. We're really,

50:10

again, and that's why I kind

50:12

of go back to that. Give

50:14

us feedback. Let us know what

50:16

you want to look at because

50:18

we want to tell a story,

50:20

but we also want you to

50:22

understand the trial as best as

50:24

possible, because unfortunately, until the Supreme

50:26

court decides to change this. Federal

50:28

Cours don't allow cameras inside their

50:30

courtrooms. Some of the District of

50:33

New York is a federal courtroom.

50:35

And so you're going to basically

50:37

get Aaron Katerci and I playing

50:39

double-touch running in and out of

50:41

court. Something happens. One of us

50:43

comes out and reports on it.

50:45

The other one's inside. Going back,

50:47

we might have a producer taking

50:49

notes, but we're going to try

50:51

to make it seem as much

50:53

as possible like you're inside the

50:55

court, whether you're... Like yourselves, Mark

50:57

on Sonya, if you're one of

50:59

you is in Brooklyn or one

51:01

is in San Francisco, we want

51:03

you to have an equally beneficial

51:05

experience with the trial. Yeah, you're

51:08

going to be our eyes. Like

51:10

it's not just, then this happened

51:12

and that happened. Like you get

51:14

to actually see what's happening. I'm

51:16

looking forward to listening. I also

51:18

want to like give you guys

51:20

the gamesmanship of it all as

51:22

well. So when you... Sorry. Sorry.

51:24

That's okay. So when you, when

51:26

you hear an objection and they

51:28

say, oh, hearsay, I want every

51:30

listener to be an expert of

51:32

hearsay by the end of this

51:34

podcast. I want you guys to

51:36

like walk up to your loved

51:38

ones, your friends, and they say

51:40

something like that was hearsay. But

51:43

we're not in court, so we'll

51:45

let it slide. I want you

51:47

to... I would, I would, just

51:49

not to interrupt you, but Lori

51:51

Vallow is representing herself right now

51:53

in trial and she's on TikTok,

51:55

and it hurts me so much.

51:57

Oh. But I want you not

51:59

just to know what's going on

52:01

in court, I want you to

52:03

understand the evidence that's being used,

52:05

the arguments that's being portrayed, how

52:07

either side are building a case

52:09

towards a verdict of any kind,

52:11

in part because I don't actually

52:13

think of myself as a, and

52:15

Disney, I love you, please keep

52:18

paying me, and I love this

52:20

job. When people see me on

52:22

the street and they say like,

52:24

oh, what do you do for

52:26

work? My first answer is that

52:28

I'm an attorney. I don't think

52:30

of myself as like a reporter

52:32

or something like that. I love

52:34

the job. I love the fact

52:36

that I've got it. But I

52:38

love the ability to explain to

52:40

people how the courts work, because

52:42

the courts work, because the courts

52:44

are supposed to work for all

52:46

of us, whether you are a

52:48

defendant in court's work, the way

52:50

they're supposed to. Yeah. Are you

52:53

an American citizen now? Not as

52:55

yet. I've, the running joke is

52:57

I made. Lucky. The running joke

52:59

is I have made one, I

53:01

have married one, but I am

53:03

not one as yet. I am

53:05

eligible to become a citizen at

53:07

the end of this year. Okay.

53:09

Well, we'll check it back with

53:11

you and see how that's going

53:13

for you. Do we have any

53:15

other questions? Yeah. I will say

53:17

I will become a citizen, I

53:19

want to become a citizen because

53:21

my son is American, and if

53:23

I'm going to be in a

53:25

country where the rights of my

53:28

wife and son are going to

53:30

be decided, I'm going to participate.

53:32

So for that reason, I will.

53:34

I hope I never get called

53:36

into jury duty, but other than

53:38

that, yeah. What part of Canada

53:40

you're from? You've been so fun

53:42

to have on a jury, yes.

53:44

Let me into a jury. I

53:46

start talking and I'd be like,

53:48

no, not this one. Well,

53:51

where can people find you? So

53:53

me personally, you can find me

53:55

now. You want this feedback, so

53:57

we want to make... Sure, everybody

53:59

knows exactly where to reach you.

54:02

Yeah, so you can you can

54:04

find the podcast on Spotify or

54:06

Apple podcast, wherever, or wherever you

54:08

get your podcast. Again, bad rap,

54:10

the case against Diddy, new episodes

54:12

coming out every Tuesday and then

54:14

twice a week when the trial

54:16

begins. And then of course, I

54:18

mean, selfless, what, the buck, B-U-C-K-E-S-Q,

54:21

like the buck Esquire, you can

54:23

find me on Instagram and there's

54:25

post there, A-A-A-C-C-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-I-S-S-I-S-I-S-I-S-S-I-S-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-I-S-S-S-S-I-S-S-S-S-S-S-I-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S- audio in 2020

54:27

are posting a little clips there

54:29

as well. So one way or

54:31

another you're going to find us.

54:33

You'll see me on ABC News

54:35

Live and other platforms like GMA

54:37

and Nightline. So yeah, come check

54:40

us out. We're reporting on Diddy

54:42

every week, all the time, especially

54:44

as you get close and closer

54:46

to the trial. Excellent. Well, Sonia

54:48

and Brian, I have a really

54:50

quick knock creep if you're ready

54:52

for a not a creep today.

54:54

Something to cheer us up. It's

54:56

Friday afternoon. We all need this.

54:58

before we order pizza and enjoy

55:01

our weekend. My, my, it's, it's

55:03

a tick-tock guy and his, his

55:05

handle, it's Edwin and his handle

55:07

is Grandpa sings and he's an

55:09

elderly Englishman who's been a performer

55:11

all of his life and he

55:13

just sings current songs like Chapel

55:15

Rhone, all the, all the Sabrina

55:17

Carpenter, all those people and he's

55:20

just catching on like crazy. So

55:22

it's under... at Grandad underscore sings

55:24

and will follow. He sings Pink

55:26

Pony Club with the heart of

55:28

a lion and I am his

55:30

newest fan. So that is your

55:32

not a creep this week and

55:34

let's just say all of you

55:36

please reach out to us. All

55:38

those places I mentioned at the

55:41

top of the show for creeps

55:43

and for non creeps. We're so

55:45

grateful that you listen to the

55:47

show and and Sonia where can

55:49

they find you? You can find

55:51

me at the Sonya Show.com and

55:53

the Sonya Show on Blue Sky

55:55

and Instagram and sometimes Facebook, but

55:57

it's not my favorite. Where can

56:00

people find you, Margo? You can

56:02

find me at... Brooklyn Fitchek.com. I'm

56:04

at Brooklyn Fitchek for Threads and

56:06

Instagram. I'm at Brooklyn Margot for

56:08

TikTok and for Blue Sky and

56:10

at YouTube I'm at my name,

56:12

Margot Donahue. Okay everyone, thank you

56:14

so much for listening today. We

56:16

will be back soon with a new episode.

56:19

In the meantime, be kind. Be

56:21

safe. Be gentle. Thank

56:23

you for listening to his

56:25

talk about creeps. You can

56:27

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56:30

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56:32

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56:34

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56:36

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56:39

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56:41

But please keep your

56:43

dick fixed to yourself.

57:08

I'm