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Welcome to What a Creep! The

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show with Margardonio and Sonia

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Mansfield talking about creeps from

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This is your quick guide

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to the biggest creeps, jerks,

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assholes and losers, the best

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of the worst. From two

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nice ladies who want the world

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this is Margot Donahue and my cohort

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in creepage and as always is the

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amazing Sonia Mansfield. Hey Sonia. Hello

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couple of creeps that were heart

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Hunkies. Young actors? Yeah, you probably saw

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I think that's everything, is it?

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I think so. All right, Sonia.

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Should we get into it? Let's

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get into it. Okay. Ricky Schroeder.

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Probably best known. Wake up, Champ!

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Wake up, Champ! Champ! It's a

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movie called The Champion, y'all. It's

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John Voight, plays a boxer, and

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Ricky Schroeder is his son, and...

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spoiler alert, he gets killed at

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the end in a boxing ring.

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And Ricky went into everybody's hearts

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because he was his beautiful little

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face. He was a little toehead

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kid. I just said, wake up,

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chimp, cup. Anyway, he, yeah, no,

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he was a very gifted child

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actor. He was probably best known

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as Ricky on Silver Spoons. That's

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where I knew and from. You

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and I together. You do. And

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then we also have Fred Savage,

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probably best known as Kevin Arnold

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on the Wonder Years or maybe

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the Grand... Would you do anything

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out to... Margot is such a

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good mimic. She is such a

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good mimic. I'm punchy y'all. I

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was up way too late last

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night watching Adolescence. You're all on

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Netflix. I've had... I had some

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a... I had some aureos and

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like... a diet coke I'm ready

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so let's do it he was

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also the grandson in the princess

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bride and then he did movies

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like the wizard and little monsters

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and you know vice versa anyway

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yeah they oh that's right one

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of the body switching movies vice

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versa We love, we're very entertained

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by the bodies. Body switching movies,

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that's one of our things. Yep.

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These two have a lot in

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common. Both successful child actors and

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it turns out they're both total

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creeps! Whoo! I put them together.

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Trigger warning, domestic violence and sexual

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harassment. Yay! Okay. I can't tell

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anymore. No, I know, right? Honorable

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Gregor was at oppressor at the

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White House. I know. an episode

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of this motherfucker just like a

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month ago. Yep. Again, we're ahead

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of the curve, y'all. All the

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people that were like, who's that?

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Google, then found our podcast. Welcome

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to the parties, pal. Welcome to

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the party. Okay, so sources for

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this episode for Ricky Schroeder, the

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sources are his very own Facebook.

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T.M.Z. Vanity Fair, Variety Fair, Variety,

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Yahoo News, and Wikipedia for Fred

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Savage. deadline Hollywood reporter page six

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rolling stone vulture and always Wikipedia

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all of this is linked in

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our show notes I did make

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any of this up let's start

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with Ricky Schroeder Richard Bartlett Schroeder

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was born April 13th 1970 in

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Brooklyn what he's an air raise

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and Brooklyn yeah yeah yeah raised

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in Staten Island though that that

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that explains there you go His

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parents were Diane and Richard, both

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former employees of AT&T. As a

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child, he did, he did like

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catalog model, adorable, adorable kid. Yeah.

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And a handsome grown man. He's

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a good-looking person. Good-looking human. Yeah.

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We're not in denial here. He

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might be ugly on the inside,

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but he's very handsome. Yeah, so

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he was, you know, did a

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lot of catallings. But is he

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hot? But is he hot? That's

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all that matters. He did a

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lot of catalogs. He did a

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lot of like advertising, modeling, stuff

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like that. You know, he was

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in like 60 different ads. He

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made his film debut in The

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Champ. That was 1979. Wake up

8:03

Champ. Wake up Champ. He became

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the youngest Golden Globe winner that

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year for that movie. So he

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would have been, he was like

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nine years old. He was really

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good in that movie. It's a

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tearjaker, but yeah. Oh, by the

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way, sorry, Sonia, I interviewed somebody

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who was the trainer for John

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Voight in that movie, because he

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was trained John Travolta for Saturday

8:26

Night Fever, and he said the

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guy was a wanker. Yeah, surprised.

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We have an episode on John

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Voight. Anyway, continue, I'll shut up.

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You, no, you are fine. He

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did a lot of movies in

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the, like, 70s after the champs,

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I'm sorry, after the champs, so

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it would have been 70s, early

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80s, and a lot of tear

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jokers, he was really good at

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crying, he was very good at

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that. But then he goes on

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to do silver spoons and that

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was on for five seasons, so

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82 to 87, he's on there.

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And then Jason Bateman joined and

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I was like, Ricky Schroeder, who?

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Aaron Gray. Aaron Gray. My brother

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had a big crush on her.

9:09

Yeah. I was all in on

9:11

Jason Bateman once I saw Jason

9:13

Bateman. But anyway, he did Silver

9:15

Spoons. And then, you know, later

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he did like Lonesome Dove, great

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mini series. You've never seen it.

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He was on NYPD Blue for

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a couple of season. Yep. And

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he did start his own production

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company where he shot like a

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reality series about like people who

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were in the Army. He did

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a documentary called The Fighting Season,

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where he spent like 100 days

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in Afghanistan and filmed all these.

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documentaries about army guys and stuff

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and good for him whatever that's

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great yeah fine anyway enough of

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his resume so Schroeder got married

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in 92 to Andrea Bernard they

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have four children that's holding Luke

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Cambry and Faith those are cute

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names actually yeah yeah they all

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appeared yeah I no doubt yeah

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they are like no doubt yeah

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they are like no doubt yeah

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they are like really good looking

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um He and like all the

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kids are in it. Oh, he

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was kind of maybe wanting them

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to be in the business. I'm

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sorry. Say that again. It doesn't

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appear that a little bit. Oh,

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sorry everybody. Just like me. My

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internet is unstable. They did a

10:24

TV movie together. Who did? It's

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Ricky Schroeder and his kids. Oh,

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it called Our Wild Hearts. I've

10:30

never seen it. I've never seen

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it. I've never seen it. I'm

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sure it's I'm sure I'm sure

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it's adorable. In 2000 he joined

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the Church of Latter-day Saints because

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that's what his wife was a

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Mormon but they got divorced in

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2016 and now he's super Christian

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so he made the switch. So

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he's no longer well they're Christian

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but it's a different sect it's

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a different sect. Is it? He

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was Mormon and now he's Christian.

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Okay. Yes, that's what I'm trying.

11:00

There you go. But they are

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divorced. I want to make it

11:04

very clear. So in April, they

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were like he would have been

11:08

22. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In April

11:11

2nd, 2019, he got arrested in

11:13

Los Angeles for punching his girlfriend

11:15

in the face. No. Nope. He

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was charged with domestic violence and

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then those charges were dropped. He

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was then arrested again 28 days

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later. Not the movie, just happened

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to be 28 days late. Again

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for domestic violence, for punching his

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girlfriend, and again in press charges.

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He's currently engaged to an actress

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named Julie Trammel. They say she's

11:36

an actress, but I went to

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IMDB and she is not there.

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So I did some more Googling

11:43

and apparently she wasn't a stage

11:45

production of the Sound of Music

11:47

once. So I guess. Yeah. So

11:49

she's an actress y'all. I went

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to her Instagram where she has

11:53

about 2,000 followers and you can

11:55

see pictures of her in the

11:58

ricker like at Maralago. How old

12:00

is she? And what does she

12:02

look like? She's pretty and is

12:04

she blonde? She. No. Like a

12:06

dark. like not quite brunette not

12:08

really blonde also I would say

12:10

not she's not age inappropriate like

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she might be a lit yeah

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she might be a little younger

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than him but not like gross

12:19

not like like the White House

12:21

spokesperson whose husband's what 36 years

12:23

older than no oh yeah no

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no no no no what did

12:27

somebody referred to her recently as

12:30

like a Kirklin brand oh Timu

12:32

Barbie. Timu Barbie. She actually, I'm

12:34

sorry, we're all over the place

12:36

today. Yeah. She actually, this week,

12:38

they were talking about, somebody brought

12:40

up France and France is like,

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we want back the Statue of

12:45

Liberty. Like, no, they don't really

12:47

want that. But it's just simple.

12:49

They were joking. But she's like,

12:51

well, we're for Americans. They'd be

12:53

speaking German right now, which is

12:55

something her old husband's generation would

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say, guys. I wish it wasn't

13:00

true either, but we wouldn't have

13:02

fallen home without them. for France

13:04

we would all be speaking the

13:06

Queen's English right now. So exactly.

13:08

Thank you and that's a better

13:10

point. So bitch please. Bitch please

13:12

be quiet. So anyway you could

13:14

go to their Instagrams you could

13:17

see pictures of them like being

13:19

together and go into Marilago and

13:21

stuff and I think that's all.

13:23

Huh? Was he hitting her? No

13:25

no no different different girl. Okay.

13:27

Yes. He is one of those

13:29

people that believes Trump won the

13:32

2020 election. Because of course he

13:34

does, he's anti-vax, because, quote, our

13:36

bodies are our own. Yeah. You

13:38

know, we get to decide what

13:40

goes in and what goes out,

13:42

understood. That's what he says. Guess

13:44

what though? Not pro choice. Not

13:47

pro choice. Interesting. Interesting. Isn't that

13:49

interesting? It's like, our bodies our

13:51

own. Not you ladies. Not you.

13:53

The body inside your body belongs

13:55

to somebody else. You got to

13:57

control it. Right. Right. But the

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real reason I put him on

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this list though is because in

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November 2020, Ricky Schroeder is the

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one who helped pay the bail

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for Kyle Rittenhouse. And if you

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don't know who Kyle Rittenhouse is,

14:12

boy are you lucky. Boy, I

14:14

fucking envy you. Yeah. Kyle Rittenhouse

14:16

is a dickhead, but also a

14:19

17-year-old who traveled to a Black

14:21

Lives Matter protest in Wisconsin with

14:23

a gun, you know, to protect

14:25

stores and shit from looting because

14:27

that's worth killing people about. Like

14:29

they're not insured or something either

14:31

people. Like calm your teeth. Dude,

14:34

dude just went there to kill

14:36

people. Looking for a fight. Yeah,

14:38

and he found one and he

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fatally shot, he murdered two people

14:42

and injured a third. and he

14:44

was rightfully arrested. and Ricky Schroeder

14:46

was like, I'm outraged in him

14:48

and like the might pillow founder,

14:51

like put up his bail. Good

14:53

company, you're keeping their ricker, like,

14:55

or Rickster, whatever the fuck nickname

14:57

he used to go by on

14:59

Silver Spoons, I can't remember. I

15:01

think they called him Richard on

15:03

NYPD Blue, I think they, they,

15:06

it was no longer, or just

15:08

Rick's, it might have been Rick.

15:10

It might have been Rick. Maybe

15:12

it was. Yeah, he, my God,

15:14

it's like the Tony Danza School

15:16

of Acting where he just always

15:18

has to play a character with

15:21

his own. No, no, no, I'm

15:23

saying that he was, no, I'm

15:25

sorry, sorry. He, he was, his,

15:27

his stage names, Ricky Schroeder, but

15:29

I think when he was on

15:31

my PD Blue, he's, when he

15:33

was on my PD Blue, his

15:35

character was named Rick. No, I

15:38

don't remember his character's name. I

15:40

just remember there were a character's

15:42

name. I just remember there, I

15:44

just remember there, I just remember,

15:46

I just remember, I just remember,

15:48

there, there, there, France, Dennis, France.

15:50

My roommate interviewed him, said he

15:53

was a great guy. Dennis, France,

15:55

really nice man. Adam Riske is

15:57

a big fan. Oh, I'll let

15:59

him know. Yeah. So Kyle Rittenhouse

16:01

gets out on bail, thanks to

16:03

Ricky Schroeder and my tello guy.

16:05

He was charged, by the way,

16:08

for murder, and he was acquitted

16:10

because murder is legal now in

16:12

America. the reputations of the men

16:14

that he killed. And I'm not

16:16

saying, I hate this expression, but

16:18

I'm not saying that they were

16:20

perfect or they, I mean, yeah,

16:22

but he brought a gun across

16:25

the state line to do it

16:27

because there's different laws in different

16:29

states and then when he's underage

16:31

and he's underage and it's a

16:33

black lives matter thing and you're

16:35

a white man with a gun

16:37

looking for people looking for trouble.

16:40

So, yeah. And he's an asshole.

16:42

That too. Oh, he's such a

16:44

prick and he's such a... Oh,

16:46

God, he's such a... Oh, God,

16:48

he's such a... Oh, God, he's

16:50

such a crybaby. Like, he could

16:52

tow one of those maggots who

16:55

like dishes it out and then

16:57

can't... take it

16:59

when you like

17:01

give them just

17:03

the slightest big

17:05

pushback. We're talking

17:07

about Kyle Rittenhouse,

17:10

by the way.

17:12

Ricky Schroeder is

17:14

also very similar.

17:16

So he posts

17:18

that bail, you

17:20

know, everyone's like,

17:22

what the fuck

17:24

Ricky Schroeder? Why

17:27

are you doing

17:29

that? you know,

17:31

he's like, and

17:33

he's like, I,

17:35

you know, I'm

17:37

a big supporter

17:39

of gun ownership.

17:42

And I'm in

17:44

the NRA. And

17:46

he said, it

17:48

quote, made me

17:50

mad. This boy

17:52

is innocent. And

17:54

he will be

17:57

proven innocent. And

17:59

I did what

18:01

any father should

18:03

have done. And

18:05

that's get a

18:07

kid out of

18:09

jail that doesn't

18:11

deserve to be

18:14

there. Hard pass.

18:16

He totally deserved

18:18

to be there.

18:20

And he should

18:22

still be. So

18:24

he pays the

18:26

bail. And then

18:29

Ricky Schroeder is

18:31

like, I'm getting

18:33

death threats on

18:35

social media. So

18:37

he calls the

18:39

cops, the cops

18:41

come to Schroeder's

18:44

house, they go

18:46

through all his

18:48

negatives, negative quote,

18:50

social media posts.

18:52

And they're like,

18:54

um, these aren't

18:56

death threats. People

18:58

just don't like

19:01

you. It was,

19:03

I went through some of the

19:05

posts that they were, he was

19:07

like, I'm getting death threats. And

19:09

it was like, someone said, to

19:11

be honest, I thought he was

19:13

dead. And

19:15

then someone else said, this was

19:18

a racist move, pure and simple.

19:20

And then my favorite that says

19:22

Ricky Schroeder can shove that silver

19:24

spoon right up his own ass.

19:29

And he's like, I'm getting death threats.

19:31

There's a, there's a congressman, a Republican

19:33

congressman who released of voicemails of like

19:35

death, and they were death threats for

19:37

sure. But there was like a bunch

19:39

of them. And I'm, and I've, and

19:42

a bunch of people, it was on

19:44

threads. And so all these people were

19:46

responding. It was more like, Oh, too

19:48

bad. What's for dinner tonight? Yeah. and

19:51

prayers. Thoughts and prayers. Exactly. Thoughts

19:54

and prayers to you. Yeah.

19:57

So the cops determined

19:59

there were no

20:01

credible threats and that they would monitor

20:03

the situation, quote, unquote. A bunch of

20:05

celebrities also tweeted and

20:08

they were like, what the fuck,

20:10

Ricky Schroeder, what's wrong with you?

20:12

But my favorite was Chad Lowe,

20:14

who is Roblo's little brother, Chad

20:17

Lowe, also did sitcoms in the

20:19

80s. And life goes on. Remember

20:21

that show? Jesse? Oh, yeah, yeah.

20:23

Yeah. And he said, I had

20:25

a conversation with Ricky Schroeder many

20:28

years ago. that makes today's news,

20:30

not surprising at all. Let's just

20:32

say it was the last time

20:34

we spoke. Wow. I wonder how the

20:36

Low Brothers get along, because I

20:39

think Rob is Republican. Like he

20:41

was friends with the Supreme Court

20:43

judge that everybody hates. Oh,

20:46

Kavanaugh? Yeah. No, not Kavanaugh.

20:48

He's probably friends with Kavanaugh, too.

20:50

No one might think it goes

20:52

up. John Roberts? The Black

20:54

one. Oh, Thomas. Clarence Thomas, sorry, Thomas.

20:56

He's friends with Clarence Thomas. Yeah, Boblow

20:59

is friends with Clarence Thomas and doesn't

21:01

think it's a bit. I know, I

21:03

know. This was like five years ago,

21:05

I read this one. You know, I

21:07

guarantee you, Roblow is like, well, I

21:09

just care about the money and limited

21:12

government. And then the minute you

21:14

confront, yeah, and then the minute

21:16

you confront him with actual shit,

21:18

he's probably like, well, I don't like

21:20

that. I like gay people, I'm cool with

21:22

that. Yeah, I was in Behind the

21:24

Camber Loba or whatever the fun.

21:27

That's right. He wasn't behind the

21:29

candle opera. When that came out,

21:31

my brother John, he actually, he

21:33

wrote, he sent a text that

21:36

said, oh my god, I'm so

21:38

horny. He was watching this behind

21:40

the camera. It goes Matt David

21:43

and Michael Douglas, the sex scene.

21:45

That is like the most horrible

21:47

thing to watch. Yes. Oh my

21:50

god, we should do that

21:52

for dorky. Oh, we should

21:54

totally do that for dorking

21:56

out. Okay, we'll put it

21:58

on the list. Okay, so. He does

22:00

all this shit with Kyle Rittenhouse

22:02

and we're like, fuck this guy

22:05

right. Then, May 2021, Schroeder like

22:07

puts this shit up on his

22:09

own social media. So hence the

22:12

link to his own Facebook. He

22:14

goes to Costco and he's harassing

22:16

the employee, an employee about the

22:18

mask mandate. Like he's just like

22:21

such a burden. This first of

22:23

all, put on a fucking mask.

22:25

You have to wear shirt and

22:28

shoes as well. Just do. Yeah,

22:30

and he's harassing this man who's

22:32

like, you know, if you go

22:34

to Costco and I think a

22:37

lot of us are going to

22:39

Costco these days because we're not

22:41

going to target, you know, you

22:44

have to show your Costco card

22:46

and things like that. And this

22:48

is the pandemic was still going

22:50

on at the time and they

22:53

had a mask mandate and it's

22:55

to keep people safe. Like, look,

22:57

if you want to endanger yourself,

23:00

I don't give a fuck. Like,

23:02

deserve to shop without your fucking

23:04

koodies. So, he's harassing this employee.

23:06

Post the video on his social

23:09

media with, like, all of his,

23:11

like, fans or whatever. And they're

23:13

like, you tell him, Ricky, you

23:16

know, whatever. And I'm like, people

23:18

who do this shit are the

23:20

worst because that employee does not

23:22

make the rules for Costco. They

23:25

don't have any power. You're just

23:27

being, and it's, but if it's

23:29

a statewide. Cool. Then everybody has

23:32

to follow it. Yeah, just imagine

23:34

like the the thought process for

23:36

Ricky Schroeder was like, I'm gonna

23:38

bully this retail employee about shit.

23:41

They don't have control over and

23:43

I'm gonna film it and I'm

23:45

gonna post it on my social

23:48

media like I've done something awesome.

23:50

You haven't done anything awesome. You're

23:52

being a stupid ignorant fuck and

23:54

you're you're exposing that man to

23:57

a lot of bullying that he

23:59

doesn't deserve right? Right. Also, you're

24:01

telling on yourself to everybody else.

24:04

We all know now who you

24:06

are. So he got all shitty

24:08

about it. He tried to implore

24:10

all his people to like, get

24:13

a refund from Costco, return your

24:15

cards, blah, blah, blah, you know.

24:17

He was totally shitty to that

24:20

poor employee. A manager came out

24:22

and like, gave him a refund

24:24

on the spot. She was like,

24:26

here you go, bye. Get the

24:29

fuck out. People love Costco, dude.

24:31

Yeah, they love Costco. By the

24:33

way, all these people that were

24:36

like, I'm boycotting Costco. They're totally

24:38

not boycotting Costco. No. So after

24:40

the incident, then Schroeder's like, hey,

24:42

I'm real sorry, like, I apologize

24:45

if he hurt the employees' feelings.

24:47

Fuck that, the fuck the feelings

24:49

crowd. Fuck the feelings crowd. Fuck

24:52

you. Like. By the way, and

24:54

again, like his stunt didn't do

24:56

shit. I'm sure nobody refunded their

24:58

cards. Costco's positively rolling in it

25:01

right now because we've all ditched

25:03

target to shop there, so they're

25:05

fine. But he wasn't really sorry,

25:08

right? Because he did this, but

25:10

then just a couple months later,

25:12

he did it again. He went

25:14

there, like you do. you know,

25:17

it's a museum I go, yeah,

25:19

yeah, I don't know, I don't

25:21

know, I don't know why he's

25:24

in Kansas, but okay, he goes

25:26

there, flips out on security guards

25:28

who ask him to wear a

25:30

mask, he starts calling them Nazis,

25:33

and that they should only be

25:35

enforcing God's law, God's law, God's

25:37

plan, like, so he's not, sorry,

25:40

he's just gonna go do it

25:42

somewhere else. I went to all

25:44

his social media channels. It's just

25:46

all like God's Law bullshit with

25:49

some magga and transphobic garbage sprinkled

25:51

in here and there. So yeah.

25:53

don't need to follow him I

25:56

checked for you there's nothing good

25:58

there most recently he is the

26:00

founding member of the council on

26:02

pornography reform I don't know what

26:05

that is reform pornography I don't

26:07

know is he gonna make it

26:09

better exactly I don't know plots

26:12

now better writing I don't know

26:14

but a writing I don't know

26:16

but apparently like He is, I'm

26:18

trying to figure it out, because,

26:21

and I'm trying to figure it

26:23

out without clicking on all the

26:25

links, by the way, because this

26:28

shit looks fucking spammy and I'm

26:30

not looking to infect my computer

26:32

with whatever his pornography reform is,

26:34

but I think he's interested in

26:37

making sure that they're not using

26:39

AI in pornography, and I'm like,

26:41

but. Who cares? Well, no, I

26:44

think, does he mean like a

26:46

revenge porn or something? Like, somebody

26:48

can just get your, yeah. I

26:50

don't, but I don't think so.

26:53

Like, I think it's just, you

26:55

know, the idea of, like, not

26:57

using real people in pornography. I

27:00

didn't read anything about it being

27:02

about revenge porn, but also. We're

27:04

not for revenge poor. No, we're

27:06

against that. Yeah, just FYI. And

27:09

we would also like rules against

27:11

that sort of thing. But like

27:13

he, you know, he's like, hey,

27:16

I'm on this council of pornography

27:18

reform. I'm making a documentary. It's

27:20

called erotic erosion. I don't, I

27:22

haven't been able to see anything

27:25

about it. It's not on IMDB.

27:27

It's not on Wikipedia when I

27:29

Google it. All it comes up

27:32

is like interviews with him where

27:34

he mentions it. Erotic erosion. Yeah,

27:36

and then... That sounds like a

27:38

new order album. Yeah. I would

27:41

listen. Erosion. Erosion. Erosion. But then

27:43

it's got a hashtag that says,

27:45

let's tear down Satan's Kingdom, and

27:48

I'm like, oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

27:50

I guess, I guess. I mean,

27:52

I would need to see it

27:54

first because maybe it's cool. I

27:57

don't know. Satan's kingdom is probably

27:59

a roller coaster, right? It sounds

28:01

like a roller coaster. I don't

28:04

know. But, um, I'm looking at

28:06

that project with some serious side

28:08

eye because of who it's coming

28:10

from. So, that's our little segment

28:13

on Ricky Schroeder. Rick, let's talk,

28:15

Rick, about Fred Savage. What would

28:17

you do if I say what?

28:20

I'm sorry. So Frederick Aaron Savage,

28:22

born July 9th, 1976 in Chicago.

28:24

Yeah, Chicago boy. His parents are

28:26

Joanne and Lewis Savage. They were

28:29

like real estate brokers. He grew

28:31

up in Illinois before they moved

28:33

to Southern California. He's got a

28:36

younger brother named Ben. I believe

28:38

Ben is also an actor. And

28:40

then he's got his sister is

28:43

like Kayla Savage and she's like

28:45

an actress and a musician. I've

28:47

never seen her in anything, but

28:49

his brother I definitely have. For

28:52

a savage show that was on

28:54

for like a hundred years and

28:56

then they, something. Oh my God,

28:59

was he on, he was on

29:01

Boy Meats. Boy Meets World or

29:03

Your Boy Meets World. That was

29:05

him. Yeah. So Fred Savage first

29:08

showed up in a movie called

29:10

The Boy Who Could Fly, and

29:12

then he does a bunch of

29:15

like guest spots, right? He's in

29:17

like Twilight Zones and Crime Story

29:19

and you know, things like that.

29:21

And then he is the grandson

29:24

and the Princess Bride, where Peter

29:26

Falk's reading the story. Such a

29:28

good movie. Such a good movie

29:31

and like Fred Savage is really

29:33

good and he's a good. It's

29:35

a good little part. They're all

29:37

they're both great actors. We're not

29:40

talking about their talent. Yes. Yeah.

29:42

Yes. I and then in 88

29:44

he does the wonder years. I

29:47

loved the Wonder Years when it

29:49

was first on. My God, I

29:51

watched every week. I cried my

29:53

eyes out at the last episode

29:56

about the dad and all that

29:58

stuff. Yeah, I was into it.

30:00

So the parents were so good

30:03

on that show. They were so

30:05

good. I loved Wonder Years and

30:07

my parents loved it too. It

30:09

was a show that like we

30:12

could all watch together. He was

30:14

nominated for Golden Globes for that.

30:16

He was nominated for Emmy's. At

30:19

the age of 13, he was

30:21

the youngest actor to be nominated

30:23

for Best Actor because it's like

30:25

lead actor, not supporting. So then

30:28

it turns out, so the show

30:30

is canceled in 93. And part

30:32

of the reason it was canceled

30:35

was Fred Savage, who was then

30:37

16. and his co-star Jason Harvey,

30:39

who was 20, sexually harassed someone

30:41

who worked in the costume department.

30:44

Yeah, so she said that they

30:46

verbally and physically harassed her daily.

30:48

Daily. Just trying to picture what

30:51

you could get away with in

30:53

1993 on a set. I mean,

30:55

Jesus Christ. Yes. She constantly, it

30:57

was constantly, it was constantly ignored.

31:00

Even the actor who played the

31:02

dad was just like, you should

31:04

take Fred Savage's virginity, like made

31:07

the super. Oh, Dan, Luria, no!

31:09

No, no, bad, shame, she was

31:11

32 at the time. Like, imagine

31:13

some fucking child. Yeah, you're just

31:16

like harassing you. Yeah, and he's

31:18

got power because it's his fucking

31:20

show. Yeah, he's the star of

31:23

the show. So people are like,

31:25

he's a kid, she should just

31:27

tell him to fuck, you know,

31:29

fuck off. He's the star of

31:32

the show. Yes, he's, he's the

31:34

lead. Like, he was constantly pestering

31:36

her to go on dates with

31:39

him, he would try to touch

31:41

her, confess. love to her all

31:43

the time, tried to get her

31:45

to have an affair with him.

31:48

The dad actor says the things

31:50

he's saying. The Jason Harvey, who

31:52

apparently is a real piece of

31:55

work too, also did like more

31:57

lurid things. I'm going to put

31:59

that in quotes. They didn't get

32:01

into details on that, but he

32:04

also apparently hit her and he

32:06

would like simulate sex acts in

32:08

front of her. Or Jason did

32:11

that. Jason did that. I remember

32:13

him from Peaway's Big Adventure. Yes.

32:15

Braddy. I'm always ready. Roll. There's

32:17

a reason he's so good. He's

32:20

going to play Dickheads. Yeah. So,

32:22

you know, the network was like,

32:24

no, she's just a disgruntled employee.

32:27

Like, they really, really dismissed her.

32:29

But they. They did settle out

32:31

of court with her and then

32:33

they canceled the show. I think

32:36

they were going to cancel the

32:38

show anyway to be honest with

32:40

you. Those kids were getting older

32:43

and yeah. It always happens. It's

32:45

true. They're getting older and they're

32:47

getting less cute. Yeah. They're in

32:49

the college and they all go

32:52

to the college together and it

32:54

never makes sense because everybody goes

32:56

to different colleges because you don't

32:59

want to be around these people

33:01

anymore. That's right. Yeah. So wonder

33:03

years this canceled, savage moves on

33:05

to... other things. He starts doing

33:08

the law and order special victims

33:10

unit, guest spots, he played the

33:12

mole and Austin Powers gold member.

33:15

I don't know if you remember

33:17

that, but he has like a

33:19

huge mole on his face and

33:21

like Austin Powers can't not say

33:24

anything about his mole and he's

33:26

just like moly moly moly moly

33:28

moly moly moly mopo. The best

33:31

is an uncle buck. Buck Melanoma,

33:33

moly Russell's wart. One of my

33:35

favorite seeds. He did a lot

33:37

of voice work, and then he

33:40

started directing. So he did like,

33:42

he started directing like Nickelodeon and

33:44

Disney Channel stuff, so like that's

33:47

so Raven and he. Montana and

33:49

then he moves on to like

33:51

modern family and two broke girls

33:53

and he's he's making quite the

33:56

name for himself directing sitcoms good

33:58

for him so did potty and

34:00

mouth yeah yeah exactly he goes

34:03

back to acting in 2015 he

34:05

does a show called the grinder

34:07

I never watched it I know

34:09

the app I don't know the

34:12

app I know of the app

34:14

you don't margo sure So he

34:16

does that show and then in

34:19

2017 the Me Too movement is

34:21

in full swing and another costume

34:23

designer comes out and her name

34:25

is Young Hu Wang and she

34:28

comes out and says that Fred

34:30

Savage like assaulted her intimidated her

34:32

intimidated her filed in a complaint

34:35

against him including assault battery and

34:37

discrimination. He denies it. She says

34:39

he would routinely yell at her,

34:41

curse at her demeanour. Demean her.

34:44

and she's like I was just

34:46

trying to do my job you

34:48

don't you don't have to do

34:51

that at your job you don't

34:53

have to demean people you don't

34:55

have to yell at them you

34:57

have to curse at them come

35:00

on yeah she said that he

35:02

hit her three times what yeah

35:04

in the arm apparently yeah but

35:07

hitting is hitting but also we

35:09

don't hit people no don't touch

35:11

people yeah she was just trying

35:13

one time she was just trying

35:16

to Don't pay me no mind

35:18

and keep your hands to yourself.

35:20

Yes, she's trying to like brush

35:23

some dandruff or something off his

35:25

suit and he like got really

35:27

aggressive with her like his temper

35:29

went up. She said that he

35:32

was really shitty to the female

35:34

crew in general and that he

35:36

was constantly yelling profanities at the

35:39

female employees. Uh, what the fuck,

35:41

asshole, I need my coffee! I

35:43

need it! I'm Fred Savage! I'm

35:45

Fred Foggins! What are you in

35:48

our words? What? Yeah, I get

35:50

picked. Fox was like, he didn't

35:52

do anything. They totally, you know,

35:55

we're like, he's fine. We didn't

35:57

investigation of... put that shit in

35:59

quotes. You know, and then he

36:01

issued a statement that says like,

36:04

along the lines of her coming

36:06

out and saying these things is,

36:08

um, undermining all the women who

36:11

are really, who are really, who

36:13

are really the victims. I know,

36:15

this is just in Baldoni's bots

36:17

are doing that too. Yeah, yeah,

36:20

yeah, fucking assholes, by the way.

36:22

Is the same. Hi, if you're

36:24

there. I, if that's you. Yeah.

36:27

So he says, you know. I

36:29

cannot let these people in particular

36:31

denigrate me while harming the message

36:33

of thousands of women and others

36:36

who have suffered and continue to

36:38

suffer. Buck off, don't speak for

36:40

us. Yeah, you don't speak for

36:43

us, Fred Savage. And super glad

36:45

that he wants to support all

36:47

the people who feel like they're

36:49

being mistreated to come forward because

36:52

in 2021, Fred Savage is now

36:54

the executive producer of a one-year's

36:56

reboot that they were going to

36:59

be doing. And the Atlanta. That's

37:01

right. With the black family. Yes.

37:03

He was then fired for inappropriate

37:05

conduct. He was known to tell

37:08

me if any of these things

37:10

sound familiar. He did an intimidate,

37:12

bully, and torment female crew members

37:15

while they were doing their jobs.

37:20

surprise, like the things that all

37:22

the other women were saying, he

37:24

was doing those things. One of

37:26

the women, the women, because six

37:29

different, six women came forward. They

37:31

did an interview also with the

37:33

Hollywood reporter, and they said that

37:35

they would see two different sizes

37:38

of bread savage, that he would

37:40

like, seem very caring, and he

37:42

was very charismatic and he was

37:44

very charismatic and he was very

37:47

charismatic and very supportive. And then

37:49

sometimes they said that he would

37:51

just flip in an instant and

37:53

his eyes would go dead. Oh!

37:56

Isn't that awful? It's an awful

37:58

way to describe it. They said

38:00

that he would only do, like

38:02

he wouldn't do that in front

38:04

of like other actors or executives,

38:07

that it was like his absolute

38:09

like best self. And then like

38:11

any like employee who doesn't have

38:13

power would see this totally different

38:16

Fred Savage. I've had bosses like

38:18

that. Yes. I have also had

38:20

bosses like that. So one woman

38:22

said that Savage. took her to

38:25

dinner. He was married, by the

38:27

way, married at the time. Oh,

38:29

who's the lucky gal? Actually, they're

38:31

still married. He's married to Jennifer

38:33

Lynn Stone. They've been married since

38:36

2024. They have three kids together.

38:38

Well, so one of the women

38:40

said that he took her to

38:42

dinner, he was trying to like

38:45

help her with her writing career.

38:47

He even met her parents and

38:49

that he would like offer her

38:51

expensive gifts and that she would

38:54

decline them and things like that.

38:56

And She he invited her to

38:58

like go to a dinner with

39:00

a bunch of Wonder Years colleagues

39:03

she got up and was using

39:05

the restroom and he entered the

39:07

restroom while she was walking out

39:09

pushed her into a stall and

39:11

had and he had the dead

39:14

eyes and He started trying to

39:16

kiss her and like grab on

39:18

her and that she said like

39:20

she had to like she had

39:23

to shoulder check him to get

39:25

out like oh God That shit

39:27

is fucking scary. Hey babe, I

39:29

just took a pee and now

39:32

I'm super orany. Come in here.

39:34

It's so gross. It's so hot.

39:36

Sonia, when a guy just bust

39:38

through a bathroom door when you've

39:40

just done number two, you just

39:43

want to watch your hands and

39:45

get on with your life. So

39:47

nasty. And then, so she, you

39:49

know, pushes past him, she leaves.

39:52

He texts her that night and

39:54

asks her to come to his

39:56

house. She showed all these texts

39:58

to Hollywood reporter by the way

40:01

and She needed this person for

40:03

work, you know, so she's like,

40:05

I tried to remain neutral and

40:07

I laughed it off like, ha

40:10

ha, have a good night, no,

40:12

right, we've all done, which we've

40:14

all done, no, how fucking crazy

40:16

and mean, and how violent somebody

40:18

is at the drop of a

40:21

hat, which happens all the time.

40:23

Yeah, she said, I was honestly

40:25

scared of him for the first

40:27

time. I would be too, I

40:30

am now, I am now too.

40:32

She said that he continued to

40:34

text and call for a couple

40:36

of a couple of weeks. asking

40:39

to meet. One time he just

40:41

sent the word tonight, like it's

40:43

going to happen tonight, which obviously

40:45

is terrifying. She said for weeks

40:48

she didn't hear from him and

40:50

then he sent a voicemail. He

40:52

left a voicemail I should say

40:54

and he she played it for

40:56

the Hollywood reporter and it says

40:59

it's your old friend Fred. We've

41:01

worked together for a while and

41:03

then we didn't and then I

41:05

was a huge asshole. a huge

41:08

asshole. And I'm really sorry, and

41:10

I kind of owed you an

41:12

apology for a minute here. And

41:14

so the truth is, I really

41:17

like you, and I want to

41:19

be friends, and I'm so sorry

41:21

that I fucked up. All right.

41:23

Okay, it's an apology. It's an

41:25

acknowledgement of bad behavior. I would

41:28

like, you need to actually state

41:30

what that behavior is. It's really

41:32

not okay. Seriously, you should just

41:34

say that, not just, oh if

41:37

I did anything. Yeah. Yeah, but

41:39

if I did anything that makes

41:41

you uncomfortable. Sorry, it's just because

41:43

I really like you. It's because

41:46

I'm so attracted to you. Yeah,

41:48

sorry. You just look how crazy

41:50

you make me. Mm-mm. Oh, I've

41:52

heard that line before. Oh, yeah.

41:55

Ugh. There was apparently also a

41:57

younger crew member that like Savage

41:59

like was like pursuing on the

42:01

set as well. She declined to

42:03

speak to the Hollywood reporter. Yeah,

42:06

because she wants to protect her

42:08

career because yeah, she's Exactly. What

42:10

is going to say? Yeah, but

42:12

one of the other women who

42:15

spoke up said that he was

42:17

very controlling of that woman's daily

42:19

behaviors, he was manipulative, he was

42:21

erratic, they all feel very protective

42:24

of her, and it's the reason

42:26

a lot of them decided to

42:28

finally speak up. What the fuck

42:30

is wrong with this guy? It's

42:32

not like... Hollywood is banging down

42:35

your door. It's not like you

42:37

have this huge movie career or

42:39

you have a huge show. I

42:41

mean, you know what I mean?

42:44

Like it's a big opportunity you're

42:46

given to like take the brand

42:48

and put it in a new

42:50

way. Why not just focus on

42:53

the fucking work? My whole point.

42:55

You're not, these people think they're

42:57

so fucking special and it's like

42:59

you're not, you're replaceable dude. Like

43:02

the fact. Fred Savage, you are

43:04

replaceable. It's like Wehan on Blow

43:06

Deck Down Under, who treats the

43:08

women on there like he's on

43:10

Love Island and he's deciding who

43:13

he wants to sleep with and

43:15

who's not good for him. And

43:17

it's like, we're just fucking working

43:19

here. Just let us work. The

43:22

entitlement. Just trying to work and

43:24

he is harassing them. 20th century

43:26

television did their own investigation and

43:28

fired him because they actually they

43:31

probably had some real shit yeah

43:33

they found some real shit I

43:35

think that this lends a lot

43:37

more credibility to the women who

43:40

spoke up before I believe yes

43:42

and you know the costume designer

43:44

from the grinder They reached out

43:46

for a quote from her and

43:48

she said this was a long

43:51

time coming and I am not

43:53

the least bit surprised. Perfect. Yeah.

43:55

And you know, and then he

43:57

releases a statement that says, like,

44:00

since I was six years old,

44:02

I have worked on hundreds of

44:04

sets with thousands of people and

44:06

I always strive to contribute in

44:09

an inclusive, safe, and supportive work

44:11

environment. devastating to learn that there

44:13

were co-workers who feel I have

44:15

fallen short of these goals. Once

44:17

again, stayed explicitly what you did

44:20

wrong. That is a huge part

44:22

of the apology. Well there are

44:24

some incidents being reported that absolutely

44:26

did not and could not have

44:29

happened. Why could they not have

44:31

happened? I wonder. Any one person

44:33

who feels hurt or offended by

44:35

my actions is one person too

44:38

many. I'm sorry you're offended by

44:40

my actions. But he's not sorry

44:42

for his actions. Right. Exactly. Exactly.

44:44

I'm sorry I put you in

44:47

an uncomfortable position by my behavior.

44:49

Boom. And state the behavior. Boom.

44:51

Yep. Nope. He doesn't know how

44:53

to apologize. 20 plus years of

44:55

experience, you know. You're welcome, Fred

44:58

Savage. Yeah, yeah. If you're a

45:00

Fred Savage type out there, this

45:02

is your problem. Let me tell

45:04

you right now. Say you're really

45:07

sorry. Say you're sorry. State what

45:09

you did, what was wrong. Say

45:11

why it was inappropriate. And then

45:13

say what you're going to do

45:16

to do to not do that.

45:18

No, what are you going to

45:20

actually do? And then that's all

45:22

you need to say. Yeah, that's

45:24

it. And that's our creep Fred

45:27

Savage. Good job. Boy, that makes

45:29

me mad. Yep, we don't like

45:31

it when people don't take accountability

45:33

for their actions. That's the thing.

45:36

Just take some fucking accountability. Okay,

45:38

Sonia, I can't see you. Because,

45:40

let me see. Can I do

45:42

that? I disappeared. Yeah, how do

45:45

I get you to be in

45:47

the corner while I do this?

45:49

Maybe that's... Nobody puts Sonia in

45:51

the corner in the corner. Y'all

45:54

watch me. It's not doing it.

45:56

Oh, it's doing it now. Okay.

45:58

Okay, so Sonia something that recently

46:00

happened Sometimes, especially when there's somebody

46:02

that's a whistleblower type of person

46:05

that they're coming in to say,

46:07

this is the real shit that

46:09

happened, in book publishing, and I'm

46:12

an author, it takes months, years

46:14

to get a book together, right? It's

46:16

a lot of fucking work. And a

46:18

lot of, and it's a slow

46:20

process, and it's amazing when a

46:23

book can come out and nobody

46:25

knew about it. There's a lot

46:27

of trust that has to happen

46:30

there. And there's a woman,

46:32

Sarah Wynne Williams, who

46:34

wrote a book about her

46:36

time at Facebook. She's from

46:39

New Zealand, and she wrote

46:41

a book, and it's called

46:44

Careless People, and I tell

46:46

Sonia, all I've been hearing

46:49

is Careless Whisper in My

46:51

Head, ever since I

46:53

started. I know. She was, so she

46:55

started in 2011, she's from

46:58

New Zealand, and she was

47:00

the public policy director at

47:02

Facebook, and the book is

47:04

called Queerless People. She worked

47:07

there for six years, and

47:09

then she was let go,

47:11

because she was complaining a

47:13

lot about the behavior of

47:16

her direct. her boss, her

47:18

direct boss, and then

47:20

also Cheryl Sandberg and

47:23

Mark Zuckerberg for being

47:25

unprofessional. And we all kind

47:27

of wondered about what those people

47:29

are like. And I don't know

47:31

about you. I was not, I

47:33

was one of those women that

47:35

was like, I gave a lot

47:38

of side eye to Cheryl Sandberg

47:40

and her whole, you know, lean

47:42

in and lean in and lean

47:44

in, but okay, right. That's my

47:46

see that's mine. I'm just be that

47:49

one girl to be at the table.

47:51

That's what you got to work for

47:53

So she this is you all know

47:55

what Facebook is and Facebook is a

47:58

company that started by a man who

48:00

was trying to rate girls at Harvard

48:02

College. And that was like how the

48:04

site, so that's the level of mentality

48:07

that we have with our CEO Mark

48:09

Zuckerberg. In 2011, let's think back, Obama's

48:11

in office, and Obama's in office. I

48:14

was like, can we just remember, like,

48:16

at least it was calm then, y'all,

48:18

come on, you remember that. Yeah, I

48:21

know. There were literal whole days where

48:23

I didn't think about the government. I

48:25

didn't have to check the news. I

48:27

didn't have to, I know. So, she's

48:30

in a role, it's an international role.

48:32

The thing with Facebook is that they're

48:34

always trying to get more people to

48:37

sign up for Facebook. and then they

48:39

want you to sign up and they

48:41

want you to use it so that

48:43

they have all this data on you

48:46

that they can mine and then they

48:48

can sell to people to for ads

48:50

or they can or governments around the

48:53

world that want to I don't know

48:55

control elections that are happening in their

48:57

area so Sarah is she came from

49:00

Google which had its own kind of

49:02

nightmare stuff but she She petitioned to

49:04

work for Facebook like she really like

49:06

she wooed them She went out there

49:09

like I want to work for you

49:11

You need somebody like me. I will

49:13

get you in front of all these

49:16

world leaders Because they want to go

49:18

like tough places are like China There's

49:20

just certain sections of the world where

49:23

they don't have free internet or it's

49:25

not widely available and so she was

49:27

working with these countries to provide this

49:29

right so they're gonna they had something

49:32

where they're going to provide free internet

49:34

internet internet or to people around the

49:36

world and they're saying go go ahead

49:39

No, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, no,

49:41

I'm sitting in water. You go ahead.

49:43

Okay, okay. A lot of countries have

49:46

different privacy laws as well. So like,

49:48

Tony's the, Sony's the tech person, by

49:50

the way. So like, hmm. Yeah, but

49:52

yeah, but I have done some work

49:55

about this where I work too. Like,

49:57

there are different companies, sorry, different countries

49:59

have different. privacy laws have different laws

50:02

surrounding how you can handle people's data

50:04

and what you can share and not

50:06

share and things like that. And so

50:08

if you're Facebook and you have a

50:11

law that say maybe works for the

50:13

United States, it's probably not going to

50:15

work for China. And then it's like

50:18

you have to come up with like

50:20

a whole new set of, there literally

50:22

are different versions of Facebook like all

50:25

over the world. And they needed someone

50:27

like her to help them navigate. Well,

50:29

how to build those relationships with these

50:31

governments. She was someone who worked in

50:34

the New Zealand Embassy. She had experience

50:36

working with different type different forms of

50:38

government. So they needed that and it's

50:41

tech, especially these kinds of companies that

50:43

are all over the world. they need

50:45

stuff like this. Right, and so she,

50:48

that was her whole thing, was like,

50:50

I know how to get in front

50:52

of these people, I will get them

50:54

in front of you, and then you

50:57

have to think about, like you said,

50:59

the privacy laws for every region, and

51:01

especially, they started really realizing that elections

51:04

were being influenced by Facebook, and so

51:06

some countries don't like that and wanted

51:08

to put a lid on that. But

51:11

Mark is always looking for Mark and

51:13

Cheryl and all of them. They just,

51:15

their whole dictate is to get more

51:17

people to sign up for Facebook, right?

51:20

And they'll buy the competition if they

51:22

have to, but that's all they want.

51:24

They just want to get people on.

51:27

So they would promise countries, we will

51:29

put the internet in your, and we

51:31

will do it to your specifications and

51:33

we'll do everything for you and she'd

51:36

be working in these moments and I

51:38

know how she feels. for a long

51:40

time and then it's getting right to

51:43

the point where you're going to sign

51:45

on the dotted line and then somebody

51:47

goes, wait a second, does that mean

51:50

we can't do blah blah blah? Well,

51:52

tell them that to take that out

51:54

and just like, fuck you. Months to

51:56

put together. Like people have no idea

51:59

all the work you put into something

52:01

and they just want to change it

52:03

on a whim Yeah, so she travels

52:06

with With Cheryl and Mark and she

52:08

talks about the time that I wanted

52:10

to let me just say that she's

52:13

are not creeping also because they're trying

52:15

to get you to not read this

52:17

book and there are a lot of

52:19

stories right now where Facebook successfully sued

52:22

the McMillan publishing so that she cannot

52:24

promote her book anywhere So she's not

52:26

doing any interviews, she can't post on

52:29

Facebook, she can't post on any social

52:31

media, and she can't, I don't think

52:33

anywhere around the world she can do

52:36

it. So there are essentially, the, by

52:38

the way, meta is always going on

52:40

about how they're about free speech, and

52:42

they just want to do, they don't

52:45

want to fact-check articles on their site,

52:47

they don't want to like look into

52:49

like fake elections and fake stuff, they

52:52

don't give a shit about that. All

52:54

of a sudden, they gave a shit

52:56

about it. Yeah. All of a sudden,

52:59

they don't want you to get your

53:01

hands on a book. Same, because. Same,

53:03

same stuff with our administration right now.

53:05

Right. We're, you know, blocking people from

53:08

coming into the country because they maybe

53:10

have said something shitty about predator Trump

53:12

on their social media. And it's like,

53:15

oh, I thought we were all about

53:17

free speech. Exactly. What are you doing?

53:19

Right. Here we are. And during her

53:21

time there, she worked with Cheryl Sandberg,

53:24

and Cheryl Sandberg had a book that

53:26

came out. It was in 2013. It

53:28

was a huge hit. For some reason,

53:31

people could not stop talking about this

53:33

fucking book. But it was called Lean

53:35

In. And Cheryl is a very accomplished

53:38

woman. She's, she went to, I was

53:40

listening to by the Chelsea Devantes. Divine

53:42

Trash? Is that the name of her

53:44

podcast? I'll look it up when we're

53:47

done. But Chelsea Devontas, just look up

53:49

Chelsea Devontas, and she was talking about

53:51

this today, that, yeah, this book is

53:54

all about, Cheryl Sandberg is a very

53:56

unusual person. grew up in very privileged

53:58

life. She attended Harvard twice. She married

54:01

well. She married somebody who works at

54:03

the companies. She worked at Google. Then

54:05

she gets to Facebook. And she's just

54:07

zooming up the corporate ladder. And her

54:10

lean in is the message, I think,

54:12

is that women need to make themselves

54:14

more visible in the environment. But how

54:17

do you do that when they don't

54:19

want to see you? Right? When they

54:21

or they only want to see this

54:24

little part of you and she doesn't

54:26

really answer that question but Cheryl was

54:28

Always talking about also that the the

54:30

problem that that women being parents and

54:33

being workers is Being yeah being a

54:35

mother and a worker are very difficult

54:37

things to manage and it shouldn't be

54:40

we should have we should make it

54:42

easier for moms to be able to

54:44

work so the kids can know that

54:46

a mother can support her family and

54:49

all this stuff but the however is

54:51

She broke water and she's in the

54:53

hospital and she's pushing out a baby.

54:56

Up to the point that she was

54:58

in labor with her first child, she

55:00

had her laptop open on her belly

55:03

and the doctors had to take it

55:05

out of her cold dead hands basically.

55:07

She was getting emails. As she's in,

55:09

she broke water and she's in the

55:12

hospital and she's pushing out a baby.

55:14

and they're emailing her and demanding that

55:16

she get bullet points for somebody that's

55:19

going to meet another person in another

55:21

country. And we had conversations about this

55:23

off the air about, you know, women

55:26

and working and when a woman gets,

55:28

has a baby, she has to worry

55:30

about do I still have a job?

55:32

Will I still have, will I have

55:35

the chance at promotions? Will I be

55:37

taken seriously? Will I have time for

55:39

my kid? Or am I going to

55:42

be a car all the time driving

55:44

everywhere? It's going to be up to

55:46

nannies. And Annie, they can't even really

55:49

afford. So they say that they're about,

55:51

Cheryl says that she's about women, but

55:53

she's really about. Cheryl. And Cheryl's a

55:55

real odd duck from what I can

55:58

understand. She tells the story about they

56:00

were on a private jet, and the

56:02

jet had a, they were flying somewhere,

56:05

and there's a group of them, and

56:07

it had a bed in there, so

56:09

that if anybody wanted to take a

56:11

nap, you could just go in there

56:14

and take a nap. And Cheryl went

56:16

in there to lounge on the bed,

56:18

and she asked Sarah who was pregnant

56:21

or second kid, but she was pregnant

56:23

again, and she said, hey, come lay

56:25

on the bed with me, let's, let's

56:28

snuggle. And Sarah was

56:30

like, I really don't want to lay

56:32

in the bed with you. I'm super

56:34

pregnant. I won't be able to get

56:36

up again. It's very uncomfortable for me

56:39

to get in and out of bed.

56:41

And she said, Cheryl just gave her

56:43

the iciest look and then walked by

56:45

her and said, you should have gone

56:47

into the bed. And then just walked

56:50

away. She didn't get to take as

56:52

much and this is another thing like

56:54

women You want to take time off

56:56

to have your baby and be a

56:58

mother for like what two months that

57:01

you get here in America and They

57:03

were getting on her nothing. It's nothing

57:05

and women have to worry about When

57:07

I come back will I still have

57:09

a job once again? Will it you

57:12

know, will they make account accounting for

57:14

me? Which that men don't worry about

57:16

and also like? takes its toll on

57:18

you physically, it's a huge fucking deal.

57:20

It's natural, it is natural, but it's

57:23

still a huge fucking deal. Like it

57:25

destroys your brain and your body. Right.

57:27

maternity leave is for you to take

57:29

care of this tiny human, but it's

57:31

also for you to like recover because

57:34

your hormones are out of whack, your

57:36

body is not the same. Like your...

57:38

your home like it's just everything is

57:40

all over the place you it's hard

57:42

to work and I have this friend

57:45

who told me she's like just remember

57:47

your job won't love you back yes

57:49

her that's why she's making bullet points

57:51

for people as she's in labor but

57:53

like you want to be you want

57:56

to do a good job you want

57:58

to be taken seriously you want to

58:00

make sure that you're still going to

58:02

have a job when you come back

58:04

so you that's why she's making bullet

58:07

points for people as she's in labor

58:09

to show like I'm serious serious. You

58:11

can depend on me. I am a

58:13

good employee. Please don't, like, fill my

58:15

position while I'm gone. Even though legally

58:18

you're protected, it doesn't matter. Like, they

58:20

could still replace you. Yeah. Like, you

58:22

know, not, not legally, quote unquote. No,

58:24

but they can make you really uncomfortable.

58:27

They could put somebody else in the

58:29

job you did have and then put

58:31

you on a shitty job and then

58:33

put you on a shitty job and

58:35

wait for you to cry and then

58:38

quit. Yes, yeah, they just make you

58:40

so miserable that you want to quit.

58:42

Yes. In addition to dealing with Cheryl

58:44

and Cheryl has like a real, there's

58:46

a whole thing when she talks about

58:49

Cheryl has one of her employees gives

58:51

her the company credit card and tells

58:53

her to go out and buy lingerie

58:55

and they bought like $12,000 with a

58:57

lingerie and they were like, it's very

59:00

odd. What the fuck are you actually

59:02

doing? Dude, just do your own shopping.

59:04

What are you doing? I mean, there's

59:06

another great story is, I don't know

59:08

if you got to this, because I

59:11

finished the book, I listened to it

59:13

on Spotify, definitely. I'm the world's, I'm

59:15

the world's slowest reader. Did you read

59:17

about the Global Organ Donation Initiative? No,

59:19

I haven't got that far yet. That's

59:22

one of the things Cheryl wanted to

59:24

do was that she wanted to be

59:26

able, if you wanted to donate to

59:28

donate your organs. You can go to

59:30

Facebook and you can just directly donate

59:33

your organs to somebody. Which is the

59:35

dumbest idea I've heard in my fucking

59:37

life. I just don't understand it. And

59:39

it's one of those things like you've

59:41

ever had a boss. Do you put

59:44

it on marketplace? Do you put it

59:46

on market? I'm not kidding you. Available.

59:48

And they was and they and they

59:50

tried to explain to her like, you

59:52

know, different countries around the world have

59:55

different. about things like you're not supposed

59:57

to be able to sell your body

59:59

parts your kidneys and stuff it's also

1:00:01

it's like and so Sandberg when they

1:00:03

said to her like there there's actually

1:00:06

the real fear of like organ harvesting

1:00:08

and trafficking yes like there's a thing

1:00:10

it's a thing and so she said

1:00:12

that that Sandberg said do you mean

1:00:14

to tell me if my four-year-old was

1:00:17

dying and the only one that would

1:00:19

save her kidney The only way to

1:00:21

save that are Kenny, that was I

1:00:23

couldn't fly to Mexico and get a

1:00:26

new one and just put it in

1:00:28

my handbag. And they said, no, you

1:00:30

can't do that. That's actually illegal. You're

1:00:32

putting a heart in your purse and

1:00:34

your coach clutches? He sounds like the

1:00:37

mom. She sounds like what? Uh-oh, Sonia.

1:00:39

Say that again, I missed you. She

1:00:41

sounds like the mom from arrested development

1:00:43

is what she sounds like. Like how

1:00:45

much can milk cost? Right. $10? Like,

1:00:48

yeah, clueless. And so they said, well,

1:00:50

we could put like a button on

1:00:52

the site and says if you'd like

1:00:54

to be an organ donation person, you

1:00:56

want to donate your organs? Here are

1:00:59

your, you know, here are the places

1:01:01

you can go in the country that

1:01:03

you live in. You don't have to

1:01:05

fly to Mexico to put a kidney

1:01:07

in your purse. You can just, you

1:01:10

know. So, and she, but she thought,

1:01:12

she just, I don't know if you've

1:01:14

ever had like, also had a boss

1:01:16

that like gave you this really weird

1:01:18

dictate. Like, can you see if you

1:01:21

can make this happen? And it's like

1:01:23

the dumbest fucking idea. You really want

1:01:25

to? Yeah. But you can't? So then

1:01:27

they get madder and madder at you

1:01:29

because you're not giving them the answer

1:01:32

that they want to hear. And it's

1:01:34

so fucking frustrated. and it seems like

1:01:36

that's what she was putting up with.

1:01:38

And it's a lot of, you know,

1:01:40

long hours away. There's also like, there's

1:01:43

just, she had a male, she accused

1:01:45

a male superior of hers, or direct

1:01:47

report, that she had a report to

1:01:49

directly, excuse me, of sexual harassment, and

1:01:51

they did some investigating and decided that's

1:01:54

not what really happening. And they decided

1:01:56

that. She must be kind of a

1:01:58

pain in the ass. And so she

1:02:00

thinks that... Yeah, it's always the lady's

1:02:02

fault. Right. It's the lady's fault. Meta

1:02:05

claimed that the investigation, this is from

1:02:07

Rolling Stone, but it claimed that the

1:02:09

investigation to the William, when Williams' harassment

1:02:11

claims was thorough and took longer than

1:02:13

the average case. Yeah, I bet. Involving

1:02:16

a review of all the documents she

1:02:18

provided and 17 witness interviews and 17

1:02:20

witness interviews. I somehow don't believe. They

1:02:22

also, they wanted to do all kinds

1:02:25

of things in China to make it

1:02:27

easier for the Chinese government and then

1:02:29

was explained to them like, you could

1:02:31

literally get people killed in China if

1:02:33

you do the things that they're telling

1:02:36

you to do in order to be

1:02:38

in China. Like you cannot do these,

1:02:40

it will cause real harm and they

1:02:42

didn't fucking care because they just want

1:02:44

those numbers. They were told I mean

1:02:47

look what he's doing now. He don't

1:02:49

give a fuck doesn't give a flying

1:02:51

fuck Anyway, this book is great. It's

1:02:53

available get it from your library get

1:02:55

a Libby app or if you have

1:02:58

you know audible or if you have

1:03:00

Spotify You know if you can get

1:03:02

a subscription. This is my whole point.

1:03:04

I want you to get this book

1:03:06

because they don't want you to have

1:03:09

it and it's not because She didn't

1:03:11

do due diligence. I guarantee her publisher

1:03:13

really worked overtime to make sure that

1:03:15

they dotted their eyes and crossed the

1:03:17

T's and made sure they don't want

1:03:20

to be sued by Facebook. I'm sure.

1:03:22

Be sued by a billionaire. Like no

1:03:24

one wants this. But I'm saying if

1:03:26

they went through all this trouble to

1:03:28

have her, they did their research themselves.

1:03:31

They absolutely put somebody in charge of

1:03:33

that and they made sure. So this

1:03:35

is the deal right now. They don't

1:03:37

want you to read her book. So

1:03:39

I say to do the not creepy

1:03:42

thing this week is to, even if

1:03:44

you don't, just say on your social

1:03:46

media, I can't wait to read careless

1:03:48

people by Sarah Wynne Williams and I

1:03:50

hope you do too. I want them

1:03:53

to know that. They can't bully people.

1:03:55

It's not going to stop people. They're

1:03:57

so fucking dumb. When you ban somebody

1:03:59

from doing something, that's all they want

1:04:01

to fucking do. When my parents said,

1:04:04

you can't watch Three's Company because it's

1:04:06

too racy. Guess what I wanted to

1:04:08

watch? Three's Company. Three's Company. Yep. The

1:04:10

minute I tell Calvin, he can't have

1:04:12

something. Oh, he wants it so bad.

1:04:15

It's the only thing he could fucking

1:04:17

think about until he gets it. Yes.

1:04:19

Yes. Yes. And it's natural and it's

1:04:21

normal and it's normal and it's normal

1:04:24

and it's normal and it's normal and

1:04:26

it's normal and it's normal and it's

1:04:28

normal and it's fine. That's all I'm

1:04:30

going to say. Sarah Wynne Williams, she

1:04:32

is our not creep this week and

1:04:35

her book is actually really well written.

1:04:37

And she does her own audio book.

1:04:39

I downloaded it. Yeah. And I think

1:04:41

she did a great job with it.

1:04:43

She's a good storyteller. She really knows

1:04:46

how to paint the picture. Yep. And

1:04:48

I admire it. And so that's our

1:04:50

not creep this week. Great choice. I

1:04:52

downloaded that book on my iPad. through

1:04:54

like Apple Books. Yes, super easy. Super

1:04:57

easy. Go to your library, get the

1:04:59

Libby app, and at least request it

1:05:01

on the Libby app. Just do that.

1:05:03

So that they download the sample. Download

1:05:05

the sample, like whatever we do, just

1:05:08

make sure people are out there. And

1:05:10

it is a bestseller, but like make

1:05:12

sure it continues to be a bestseller

1:05:14

because this is the only way we

1:05:16

fight. This is the only way we

1:05:19

win. Is when we can get things

1:05:21

like this that they can't control. That

1:05:23

they can't control. Yep. Well, if you

1:05:25

like the sound of our voices, and

1:05:27

by golly, why wouldn't you at this

1:05:30

point? So can I co-host a show

1:05:32

called Dorking Out, where we dork out

1:05:34

about movies? What did we dork out

1:05:36

about last time? Oh my God, but

1:05:38

did we dork? Postcards from The Edge.

1:05:41

Thank you. Postcards from The Edge. Great

1:05:43

movie. It was a fun episode. This

1:05:45

week, we are doing primal fear. Back

1:05:47

to our 90s thrillers. 90s thrillers. I

1:05:49

saw I was streaming on Paramount and

1:05:52

I was like, I want to see

1:05:54

this movie tonight. I needed like something

1:05:56

to like change my mood. And so

1:05:58

it's Richard Gear. Edward Norton's first movie.

1:06:00

Amazing. I just watched it again the

1:06:03

other night, it was really good, so

1:06:05

we can't wait to talk about that.

1:06:07

I can't wait to talk about it.

1:06:09

Everyone knows, I love my 90s thrillers,

1:06:12

so, actually I love my 80s and

1:06:14

90s thrillers, but boy, this one's gonna

1:06:16

be fun, this one's gonna be fun.

1:06:18

It's super fun. You can reach out

1:06:20

to all those places I met at

1:06:23

the top of the show for your

1:06:25

suggestions for creeps and or non creeps,

1:06:27

or if you just want to do

1:06:29

something on your own. Our email once

1:06:31

again is what a creep podcast at

1:06:34

g-mail.com and if you would like some

1:06:36

stickers I'm supposed to get a new

1:06:38

batch from death by stickers that's supposed

1:06:40

to arrive soon. I will drop them

1:06:42

in the mail for you. What a

1:06:45

creep podcast at g-mail.com. Yeah, Sonia where

1:06:47

can they find you? You can find

1:06:49

me at the Sonya show.com and the

1:06:51

Sonya show on Facebook and Instagram. I

1:06:53

know, I know, but barely at those

1:06:56

places. I'm mostly on Blue Sky and

1:06:58

Tikk. And again, at the website, you

1:07:00

can always find me on the website.

1:07:02

Where can people find you, my friend?

1:07:04

You can find me at Brooklyn Fitchick.com.

1:07:07

I'm at Brooklyn Fitchick for Threads and

1:07:09

Instagram. Yeah, I know how that sounds.

1:07:11

Look. We're content creators, we have to

1:07:13

promote our work somewhere, y'all. We're working

1:07:15

on it. We're working on it. We

1:07:18

are thinking about it, we are working

1:07:20

on it. I'm at Brooklyn Margot for

1:07:22

TikTok and also for Blue Sky, and

1:07:24

then you could follow me on the

1:07:26

YouTube at my name, Margot Donahue. I

1:07:29

have a book coming out later this

1:07:31

year, and I've been posting really fun

1:07:33

clips about Saturday Night Fever on there.

1:07:35

They're fun, they're

1:07:37

fun. Come check it

1:07:40

out, have a

1:07:42

good time. a good time. All

1:07:44

right, everybody, that's

1:07:46

the show for you

1:07:48

today. you Thank you

1:07:51

once again again by

1:07:53

or welcome if

1:07:55

this is your first

1:07:57

time. We liked

1:07:59

having you here. like to

1:08:02

We'll be back

1:08:04

next week with a

1:08:06

new episode. So

1:08:08

in the meantime, y

1:08:11

'all, a please be

1:08:13

kind, in be safe. y'all,

1:08:15

please Just don't be

1:08:17

a creep, be a

1:08:19

a creep. Be creep. Thank

1:08:22

you for listening to us talk

1:08:24

about creeps. You can follow us

1:08:27

creeps. You can follow us at Twitter, and Instagram.

1:08:29

on Facebook, don't follow us too

1:08:31

closely. But You can

1:08:34

email us your creepy stories at

1:08:36

wet email us your gmail .com. at But

1:08:38

please keep your dick pics

1:08:40

to yourself. But please

1:08:42

keep your dick fixed to

1:08:44

yourself. I'm