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so yeah I don't think so you're

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really excited aren't you I'm super excited

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I love when you do the creepy

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history because I don't know jack about

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creepy history It's my jam. It is,

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you know, the jelly to my jam.

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Let me minimize you, not intellectually or

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anything. I just mean, I need to

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bring up your page, but see you

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at the same time, and sometimes I

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can do that, and sometimes I cannot.

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Okay. So, Bobby Denbar, we'll talk about,

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this is a historical crime. This is

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something that happened in America. It's a

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missing child case, so I guess I

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should give that warning out there you

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are. I got you now. Let me

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bring you up here. So I

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can, my eyes don't go all

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over the place. I'll wickety whack.

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Okay. Margo and Sonia love us

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a creepy historical crime and what

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is more puzzling than the case

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of Bobby Dunbar. In 1912, a

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four-year-old Bobby Dunbar vanished during

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a family trip to Swazie

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Lake, Sonia. Yeah. Swazie Lake.

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Lots of dancing going on there.

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Yes, this is in Louisiana, the

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bayou. Sparking a massive search, eight

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months later a boy resembling Bobby

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was found with a handyman William

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Walters, who insisted the child was

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Bruce Anderson, the son of Julie

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Anderson. Despite her claims that Dunbar

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took the boy and raised him

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as Bobby. We are going to

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be talking about what happened after

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that and just what led to

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these things because this is a

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wild episode. Our sources for this

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are rancor, Wikipedia of course, this

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American life, I actually was inspired

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by an episode of This American

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Life, it's episode 352, Buzzfeed, Morbid

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Podcast, Country Roads magazine, all that's

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interesting, and IFL science. The trigger

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warning is basically... child abduction. Nobody

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likes to think about those things,

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but this isn't awful. This is

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also a case of, Sony, did

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you know, how many babies, and

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I don't know if this is

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a US statistic or if it's

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a worldwide, but how many babies

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are supposedly mismatched with their parents

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when they're born and they're leaving

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the hospital and they have to

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kind of figure shit out? I

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don't know the number, but I...

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read multiple stories about things like

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this, including I think there was

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one recently where the parents discovered

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that their children had been swapped

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in the hospital and they had

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raised them till they were four.

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No, actually I don't even think

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they'd gotten that long, but and

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it was very interesting how the

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families like merged their families together

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basically so that Oh good, to

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try to make it as normal

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as possible. Yeah, it was very,

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very, because there's like other children

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involved and like all this is

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very interesting story, but it happens

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more than I would like it

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to happen. Let's just say that.

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One of the YouTube clips I

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looked at the the host is

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based in Prague, Praha, and when

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his wife, his wife had two

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kids there, and this, like within

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the last year, they put the

8:04

number of the baby in a

8:06

marker, magic marker, in black magic

8:08

marker, and wrote on the baby's

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belly, the number 37, and then

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wrote the number 37 on the

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wife's arm. And it was like

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ink that you can't easily wipe

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off. It's like that really heavy

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ink. And that's how they keep

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it in Praha in the year

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of our Lord, or in this

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century, the 21st century. Because that's

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how you, yeah, now you'll get

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a bracelet. Like, right? Calvin was

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born. Calvin had a bracelet. His

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dad had a bracelet. And they

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scan you constantly. Right. Because. About

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28,000 babies are sometimes mixed up

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with the wrong parent. Whoa! Now

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once again, I heard this and

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they showed it really quickly on

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the screen, so I don't know

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if that's worldwide or in the

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US, but that's a lot of

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fucking babies that they're like trying

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to keep manage of. So it's...

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The idea of like, you know,

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baby switching, it's very, very, very

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obviously extremely rare and it's not

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a thing to actually worry about.

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I mean, they do try to

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stay on top of these things

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even if they have to use

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a magic marker on your face

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to like make it happen. But

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it has happened in the past,

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you know, people were raised and

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it brings up a whole conundrum

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of issues and problems and hurt

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feelings and things like that. This

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is somewhat of a case of

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that, but I want to talk

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about the Dunbar family. They were

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based in St. Landry Parish, Louisiana,

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and they were a very wealthy

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family. And by wealthy, I mean,

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if you walked around the town,

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what you saw were a lot

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of buildings with the name Dunbar

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on it. They were that fucking

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rich. These are people that are

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doing really well off. And their

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son, Robert Babe, Clarence Dunbar, was

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born May. and 19-08. So

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it's August 23rd, 1912,

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12, 112 years ago,

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and the family wants

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to take a vacation,

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and they can't really go

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very far because the father

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is kind of a workaholic,

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so they just go to

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the bayou. and they're gonna

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go to a swamp and they're

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gonna do some fishing and they're

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gonna play in the swamp and

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they have like family members and

10:31

it's driving cultures just started to

10:33

take off and these people were so

10:35

rich they had like two cars which

10:37

is like this is really like these

10:39

people didn't have a car a car

10:41

or they probably didn't even have like

10:44

you know indoor plumbing or things

10:46

like that I mean this is

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like this is broke the rich

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these people are super rich their

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Swazie Link is in St. Landry

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Parish, Louisiana. August 23rd, so they're

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going with a couple of family

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members, and there's a bunch of

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them, and some kids, and they're

11:02

all going fishing and stuff. And

11:04

the thing to look out for

11:06

in the bio are crocodiles. They're

11:08

real, they are deadly, and they

11:10

do take people. When someone's missing

11:12

in the swamp, quite often what

11:14

happens. Sorry to say this, but

11:16

they will. open up alligators to

11:19

look to see if there is.

11:21

Yeah. My sister was just there

11:23

and did a small tour and

11:25

like took a million pictures of

11:27

the alligators crocodiles, whatever it is

11:29

that they have there and they are

11:31

huge. Yes. And they've got cold

11:33

dead eyes. They're like sharks.

11:35

They're like sharks. They're worse than

11:37

sharks because they can go on

11:40

land. Yeah. They'll get you. they'll

11:42

get you like they're very quick so you have

11:44

to be super super careful and the dumbbars were

11:46

and they and the thing with with Bobby was

11:48

he had like a fit that day he was

11:50

mad because as they get there and as soon

11:53

as they get there the dad's like I got

11:55

to go back because I got to work it

11:57

turns out later he also was fooling around on

11:59

his wife So that probably should have been

12:01

it as well. But anyway, he's saying

12:03

to a son, hey son, I love

12:06

you, but I got to go back

12:08

to work. Mom and your uncles and

12:10

your cousins, he were all going to

12:12

hang out in the swamp. And Bobby

12:14

had himself a right fit, like got

12:16

on the ground and no, no, no,

12:19

no, no, no. He took off his

12:21

straw hat and he grabbed it so

12:23

hard that it broke the strap for

12:25

the straw hat. But then they were

12:27

like, oh, come on, you know, we'll

12:29

get you know, we'll get you know.

12:31

They he starts taking off and he's

12:34

going off with a family friend and

12:36

the he and the family friend Who

12:38

didn't have kids of his own, but

12:40

all the kids liked him Okay, and

12:42

he called Bobby heavy Because Bobby was

12:44

a stout child. Okay, not fat, but

12:47

stout And so his nickname for him

12:49

was Heavy. And he and Heavy had

12:51

a banter banter. They would kind of

12:53

go back and forth. They would make

12:55

fun of each other. Like, oh, you're

12:57

too heavy to catch up with me.

13:00

I'm going to start racing. He goes,

13:02

you can't catch up. You're too old.

13:04

You can't chase me. Like, they kind

13:06

of had that little bit of relationship.

13:08

So he's taking Bobby and a couple

13:10

of his cousins. And they're going out

13:12

to go fishing out to go fishing.

13:15

noon comes around and lessee his mother

13:17

Leslie is calling for him to come

13:19

back calling for everybody to come back

13:21

to have lunch and so the dude

13:23

that was taking care of all the

13:25

kids he's bringing them all back and

13:28

Unfortunately Bobby wasn't one there wasn't there

13:30

wasn't there so I barely it's and

13:32

it's ever I'm sure and my stomach

13:34

just hurts thinking about it I and

13:36

I've had friends that said that's happened

13:38

to them like their kid just takes

13:41

off in the mall or something without

13:43

it's worst yes yeah I can't imagine.

13:45

It's got to be like a Bryant-Dapalma

13:47

thing, like all of a sudden your

13:49

world is swirling around and you're just

13:51

like, you're going to be sick because

13:54

this is happening. So they're looking for

13:56

Bobby and they're looking for hours and

13:58

hours and these are the dumb bars

14:00

that get a lot of money so

14:02

they're able to call in local sheriffs,

14:04

they're able to call... lots of people

14:06

to come down to the bayou and

14:09

look for this kid. And they are,

14:11

they take a straw hat to see

14:13

like how can it sink, if it

14:15

sinks, I'm like how far can it

14:17

go. And they go pretty far to

14:19

look for Bobby and they just don't

14:22

find him. And they look and they

14:24

find a bunch of crocodiles and they

14:26

open them up, not in there. They

14:28

take these large hooks and I'm trying

14:30

to say the word. It's like this

14:32

mesh material. Yeah, like a net. Like

14:35

a net. Like a net. Like a

14:37

net. Like a net. To drag along

14:39

the bottom. Because you can't, the water's

14:41

really dirty too. I'm sure your sister

14:43

could tell you. You can't like see

14:45

through the swamp. Yeah, they had to

14:47

like dredge the swamp to see. Right.

14:50

You can have a proper funeral, you

14:52

know, whatever. They don't find Bobby. So

14:55

the parents are super upset and

14:57

they also realize that So Bobby

14:59

just disappears except they see small

15:02

footprints on Leaving the area The

15:04

opposite of where the family was

15:06

which could have been anything But

15:09

they also heard that there was

15:11

a strange man that was on

15:14

one of the boats like out

15:16

in the bayou and people were

15:18

not sure who that was. So

15:21

they were instantly like, did he

15:23

take this kid? We have to

15:25

find him. So they were looking

15:28

everywhere. Like instantly everybody got to

15:30

action. Everybody went to look for

15:32

Bobby, but they could not find

15:35

him. And his poor parents, I

15:37

mean, this went on for several

15:39

days. And then eventually they put

15:42

up a $1,000 reward, which is

15:44

a lot of money. Yeah, yeah.

15:47

This time. And then the community

15:49

put together another $6,000. So it

15:51

was $7,000. Oh, sorry. It was

15:54

raised to $6,000. They put, they

15:56

raised $5,000. Then it's like $100,000

15:58

now. Yeah. They wait a few

16:01

months and then they finally they

16:03

give the money back to everybody

16:05

because then they're just going

16:07

to declare that Bobby's dead

16:10

and then unfortunately they

16:12

can't find him. And just as

16:14

that's happening, the police in

16:16

Mississippi pick up a man named

16:18

Walters and William Cantwell Walters who

16:20

was known as a tinker. And

16:22

he was basically an itinerant person

16:24

that went from kind of town

16:26

to town to look for gigs,

16:29

to look for money. He would

16:31

do odd jobs for people. He could

16:33

fix names. A handyman. He could do

16:35

odd jobs to fix things and things

16:37

like that. And he had a little

16:40

boy with him. And he was being

16:42

pulled over from the police for some

16:44

reason. But they looked at this boy

16:46

and they were like, he looks just

16:49

like that Bobby Dumbar kid that we'd

16:51

all been hearing about. So they bring

16:53

him in for questioning. And he says,

16:55

no, no, no, this is my brother's

16:58

son. He had a

17:00

kid with this woman that's

17:02

not his wife. So he's

17:04

the illegitimate son of his

17:07

brother's girlfriend or gruma, or

17:09

whatever you would call it, fleeing

17:11

mistress, whatever you want

17:14

to call her. And this poor

17:16

woman, she said that she gave

17:18

the baby to him to look

17:20

after her son for a few

17:22

days while she was working. And

17:24

she worked for a family. She

17:27

was about 34 years old. and

17:29

she just she was poor

17:31

basically she was poor they

17:33

love later on she's the

17:35

people equip equivic equal

17:37

poor with not being smart

17:39

with not being able to

17:41

read without having morals right

17:44

and so this poor woman

17:46

gave her son and it's an

17:48

odd story because she had

17:50

so this is 12 months it's 18

17:52

months later that they find

17:55

Bruce Anderson okay and

17:57

so I'm sorry, it's not sorry, it's

17:59

seven months later. They find

18:01

this Bruce Anderson. And within that seven

18:03

months, Bobby had a scar in his

18:05

toe because he burned his toe on

18:08

the stove, like he, for some... Okay.

18:10

And then he had one other thing,

18:12

he had a rosy cheeks, he had

18:15

really bright eyes, and this kid was

18:17

almost like that, but his eyes were

18:19

smaller, and they also said that he

18:22

had a particular kind of mole on

18:24

his chest. Okay. So they bring the

18:26

mother, they bring the son, and the

18:29

police think that this kid, this kid

18:31

they're calling Bruce is actually Bobby Dunbar.

18:33

And so they bring Bobby's mother Lessie

18:36

comes to see the boy. And so

18:38

she goes to Mississippi. She and her

18:40

husband go to Mississippi. And the thing

18:43

that gets confusing is that there used

18:45

to be like at least 10 newspapers

18:47

in every city county. There was a

18:50

morning edition, there was an evening edition.

18:52

And the thing with these papers is

18:54

that they were constantly in competition with

18:57

one another to get. readers. So you

18:59

get, you have a certain kind of

19:01

editorial push, let's just say. And so

19:04

some are more tabloid, some are more

19:06

conservative, some of them are religious, some

19:08

of them are weeklies, and more community-based.

19:11

So the different reporters were there, and

19:13

they were just open to people, like

19:15

they said reporters in the room, well

19:17

this woman is looking at this child.

19:20

And she thinks her kid was eaten

19:22

by a crocodile like a few months

19:24

before, and she has, so she's looking

19:27

at this boy and she says, I

19:29

don't I can't tell. Right. You're a

19:31

mother. Yeah, I'm like, uh, this is

19:34

not video, so you can't see. I

19:36

just made a face. Right, so when

19:38

you made it, so you tilt your

19:41

head to the side, like, what? We're

19:43

not talking about, like, a newborn baby.

19:45

Like, this is why when we're talking

19:48

about what could happen and spittle with

19:50

the newborn. right all these things and

19:52

like but a four-year-old. A four-year-old. Right.

19:55

Yeah. Exactly. And a four-year-old could say,

19:57

you're not my mom. Well, this is

19:59

the, okay, so our name is Julie

20:02

Anderson, and Julie Anderson says, I'm not

20:04

sure if this is my boy, and

20:06

he doesn't go to her, nor does

20:09

he go to Bessie, to Lessie, excuse

20:11

me. I want to call her Bessie,

20:13

that makes more sense to me, but

20:16

it's Lesliely, yeah. Poplarville, Mississippi. And the

20:18

thing is that somebody says, well, this

20:20

kid needs a bath because he's dirty.

20:23

Like he had like dirty feet and

20:25

everything. And she wanted to look at

20:27

his feet because she knew he had

20:30

a scar on his toe. So they

20:32

said, why do you give him a

20:34

bath and see if that brings up

20:36

any memories for you? And she gives

20:39

him a bath and she sees the

20:41

mole and she sees the toe. And

20:43

she's like, oh, it's got to be

20:46

him. You know, and maybe he's just

20:48

hungry, because he's just looked different. So

20:50

maybe he's just, you know, maybe this

20:53

man's been traveling around with him for

20:55

several months and he just looks, and

20:57

maybe she was just desperate to have

21:00

her son. And 100% I, when you

21:02

were telling me what the story was,

21:04

I was, I could see like someone

21:07

being so grief-stricken that they were like,

21:09

I will take any little grain of

21:11

hope you want to give me. Right.

21:14

And these are rich people and everybody

21:16

in the South knew about the missing,

21:18

about Bobby Dunbar. He was like the

21:21

biggest case until the Charles Limburg baby

21:23

kidnapping. We talked about Charles Limburg before,

21:25

but like when Bobby was older and

21:28

that Limburg baby kidnapping happened, all these

21:30

reporters called him from all over the

21:32

world to say, hey, you were kidnapped,

21:35

weren't you? And he was like, yeah,

21:37

hi, thanks for bringing that up. I

21:39

mean, this is how famous this case

21:42

was. Okay, so and there's dueling reporters

21:44

and some are saying like the boy

21:46

jumped into his mother's arms and some

21:49

of them saying the boy said I

21:51

don't know who you are They are

21:53

describing the women in different ways Julia

21:56

Anderson is describing as a stout, she's

21:58

described as rough, she's described as a

22:00

loose woman because she wasn't married and

22:02

she had three children and two different

22:05

men, and she had lost three kids

22:07

very recently. She lost a child to

22:09

SIDS, sudden if and death syndrome, she

22:12

lost a daughter to adoption because she

22:14

couldn't take care of her, so she

22:16

had to give her up to the

22:19

state, and then she loses her son

22:21

because she gave them to her brothers,

22:23

her lovers. brother. And he said he

22:26

was just going to take the kid

22:28

for a couple of days and she's

22:30

like, well, I got, she was doing

22:33

handywork herself and doing some child care

22:35

for people. So she's like, okay, take

22:37

him for like a week or so.

22:40

But then he takes the kid for

22:42

months. Oh my gosh. What does she

22:44

do? Who does she call? Who's going

22:47

to help her? I mean, the way

22:49

this woman is treated in the press

22:51

and by the press and by the

22:54

police is just before he leaves. And

22:56

you know he's four years old she

22:58

and she really had a lot of

23:01

you know affection you know she loved

23:03

her it was her baby of course

23:05

of course right so she's and you

23:08

can find it on the Wikipedia page

23:10

yeah I'm looking it up right now

23:12

yeah so he's a sweet kid so

23:15

she yeah so she takes him in

23:17

and they decide that they're going to

23:19

charge William Walters with kidnapping for taking

23:21

a kid And he says, no, no,

23:24

no, I didn't kidnap him. She gave

23:26

him to me. But she's saying, no,

23:28

I gave him to him, but just

23:31

for a couple of days. All right?

23:33

So what was he doing with this

23:35

kid? And he also was, apparently, he

23:38

had hit the boy many times. There

23:40

were people who were suspicious of him

23:42

because the kid seemed afraid of him.

23:45

Yeah. Poor Bobby Dunbar. Like what this

23:47

four-year-old went through is just, I can't

23:49

imagine. So there's a trial. And it's

23:52

considered a capital offense for kidnapping at

23:54

the time. So they were going to

23:56

use the death penalty on this man.

23:59

Yeah, they're not they're not playing. Right.

24:01

So they so they have this trial

24:03

and the trial is in Poplarville, Mississippi

24:06

because that's where Bobby was found. So

24:08

his mother Julia Anderson goes to Mississippi

24:10

and the dumbbars go to Mississippi and

24:13

she's so freaking broke that she has

24:15

like nowhere to stay. So she's like

24:17

staying around the church and she's staying

24:20

at the libraries and she's kind of

24:22

staying in public places. Yeah, it's so

24:24

sad. She doesn't have the resources they

24:27

have. for her to fight back to

24:29

say like this is my son what

24:31

you're doing is fucked up like here's

24:34

my lawyer you know all to fight

24:36

this sort of thing she can't afford

24:38

a lawyer yeah so this trial is

24:41

happening and she has no say in

24:43

what's going on they have decided that

24:45

the boy belongs to the dumbbars yes

24:47

she has no say in all of

24:50

this She goes on, when she goes

24:52

up onto the stand to say like

24:54

what happened, they cross-examine her and they

24:57

just try to make her look trashy.

24:59

Like, oh, didn't you lose three kids

25:01

in one year? And what do you,

25:04

what were we even doing with him?

25:06

Why did you give him away? Yeah.

25:08

And that's when Bobby, when they put

25:11

Bobby on the stand and they asked

25:13

Bobby what happened. He's like five at

25:15

this point. He's like five at this

25:18

point. Bobby's on the

25:20

stand and then that's when Bobby

25:22

starts to say that, oh no,

25:24

sorry, he says this years later,

25:26

sorry, let me just stick to

25:28

where we are, yeah. So Bobby,

25:30

so anyway, so what happens, and

25:32

this trial happens, and it's all

25:34

across the country, I found articles

25:36

in the New York Times and

25:38

all over the place, people were

25:40

asking about the Bobby Dunbar case,

25:42

and it is decided, Nice knowing

25:44

you Julie Anderson, but you're, you're,

25:46

we don't know what happened to

25:48

your son, but this is not

25:50

him. And she has no money,

25:52

she has no lawyer, she, you

25:54

know, she sold whatever she could

25:56

sell to get from North Carolina

25:58

where she lived. to Mississippi

26:01

and not knowing anybody and once

26:03

again she would hang out at

26:05

the church because she was a

26:07

Christian woman that's the only place

26:09

she felt safe right and eventually

26:11

the parishioners there took a liking

26:13

to her and they felt bad

26:15

because they felt like she got a

26:17

raw deal right well and they believed her

26:19

yeah and so they're like no your

26:21

son is now their son which some of

26:24

them were probably like well they're

26:26

rich and even if you're wrong even

26:28

if it's wrong like he's gonna

26:30

have a better life or whatever

26:32

but then is nobody like well

26:34

then we need to find your son

26:36

like where's the missing shot

26:39

where's the missing which they were looking

26:41

for and they've been they dredged the

26:43

swamp they they had I mean this

26:45

case what they had private detectives, like

26:47

they hired private detectives and they made

26:49

these postcards and they had a picture

26:52

of Bobby Dunbar on the postcard in

26:54

the back of it. They had all

26:56

this information about him. They talked about

26:58

the scar on his toe, rosy cheeks,

27:00

you know, bright eyes, like all the

27:03

stuff about him. It went all across

27:05

the country. Yeah. But if they're saying

27:07

that her son is Bobby Dunbar. then

27:09

that means Bruce Anderson is missing. Something

27:11

happened to Bruce Anderson and William was

27:13

saying, William Walters is saying, no, this

27:15

was Bruce, this is not Bobby Dunbar.

27:18

So this is, they're all saying this,

27:20

but it's, but it's a rich family.

27:22

Yeah, you're replacing one missing kid with

27:24

another. For another. Yeah. And Bobby had

27:27

not responded to either woman quickly, but

27:29

there was two cases where both of

27:31

them were left alone with him, both

27:33

of them gave him baths. And that's

27:36

when they both were like, oh, that's

27:38

my boy. No, that's my boy.

27:40

Like, they both, that's when they

27:42

both said they recognized him. Because

27:45

Bess, she didn't, Julia didn't either.

27:47

When she first saw him, she

27:49

thought he looked different. But probably,

27:51

this woman's out of her mind

27:54

with grief. She lost one baby,

27:56

she lost her daughter, she had

27:58

to sell everything. back to North

28:00

Carolina because they wrote somebody bad things

28:03

about her there. This poor woman, 34

28:05

years old, and she's probably feeling like,

28:07

what did I do with my life?

28:09

What is going on here? So William

28:12

Walters is sent to prison and he's

28:14

going to be executed, but he of

28:16

course, he's fighting against that. He and

28:18

his lawyers are, what's the word I'm

28:21

thinking of. They're filing appeals

28:23

and all that filing appeals and

28:25

all this stuff and the governor

28:27

was like oh, let's let's put

28:29

him an old Sparky now But

28:31

they're like no, no, no, we

28:33

have to do this right way.

28:35

Oh my god people are the

28:37

worst. Yeah Julia Lives in Mississippi

28:39

people take her in they help

28:41

find her job. They help get

28:43

her settled she starts dating a

28:45

nice man. She gets married and

28:47

she winds up having eight kids

28:49

eight eight Okay. And a very

28:51

loving home and a very loving

28:53

community. In the community in Mississippi,

28:55

as far as they're concerned, in

28:57

Louisiana there's a dumbbar family and

29:00

they steal people's kids. And it's,

29:02

and it's, and what happens is

29:04

the storytelling tradition. Instead of like

29:06

my family, which is like, nobody

29:08

would ever say anything ever, like

29:10

this is bad, wrong, never speak,

29:12

never speak about it, their family

29:14

was totally different. They kept talking

29:16

about this all the time, because

29:18

it's an injustice that they were

29:20

not gonna get over. And why

29:22

should you get over? It's about

29:24

a kid that was taken from

29:26

you. And they just gave away.

29:28

I would never get over it.

29:30

Never. And she never did. Julia

29:32

never did. She constantly talked about

29:34

how much she missed her Bruce.

29:36

She talked and she told those

29:38

kids like if you ever can

29:40

find a way to find him,

29:42

please let him know that I'm

29:44

gonna it's gonna kill me that

29:46

I didn't give him way that

29:48

they took him. I did everything

29:51

I could to keep you. And

29:53

it's so awful. Now the Dunbar's

29:55

in the meantime, now they've got

29:57

this kid in their home and

29:59

they're probably sure it's Bobby. calls

30:01

and Bobby Dunbar. And Bobby says

30:03

that he was treated with absolute

30:05

love by this family. When he

30:07

was with William Walters, it was

30:09

a rough existence. They were living

30:11

out of the car. He hid

30:13

him sometimes. Not a great guy,

30:15

drinker, that kind of thing. The

30:17

Dunbar's on the other hand. As

30:19

soon as he came, he was

30:21

in their house again. They brought

30:23

him like, welcome home son. Here's

30:25

your brother Alonzo. You remember him?

30:27

Like didn't remember him. Like didn't

30:29

remember him. They said, remember him.

30:31

you know, to make up for

30:33

lost time. So he's like, well,

30:35

sweet, this is like, I'm rich,

30:37

rich now. So he's five years

30:40

old. So he's like, all right,

30:42

well, I guess this is my

30:44

home now. And he doesn't want

30:46

to cause trouble because he's already

30:48

like, I'm sure like this year

30:50

and a half of his life

30:52

was like horrifying. I don't know

30:54

how you make heads or heads

30:56

or tails of this. how you

30:58

make sense of this everybody in

31:00

the town knows what happened to

31:02

you everybody in the town like

31:04

talks about you everybody in the

31:06

town wonders if you're really you

31:08

or you really somebody else and

31:10

you belong to someone else so

31:12

weird it's so fucking weird it's

31:14

like it's such a weird thing

31:16

so Julia gets married has kids

31:18

she always talks about the Dunbar's

31:20

their marriage starts to spiral and

31:22

it turns out that Daddy Dumbar

31:24

was a cheater, cheater, cheater, pumpkin

31:26

eater. He had a lot of

31:28

affairs. And the wife, she, the

31:31

mother, the lessee, left the family

31:33

and she left the kids and

31:35

her husband. Whoa. And they just

31:37

break up. And she just lives

31:39

kind of single. And she keeps

31:41

in touch with them. But and

31:43

the father remarries and then there's

31:45

a stepmother. And apparently. Bobby was

31:47

okay. He said he grew up

31:49

very well loved. felt unloved, he

31:51

never felt unsafe, and it must

31:53

be confusing too because these people

31:55

are so nice to you as

31:57

well. Like it's got to add

31:59

to the confusing emotions that you

32:01

have on everything. He grows up

32:03

loved and well-taking care for and

32:05

to hear that like maybe they're

32:07

not your real parents and there's

32:09

these other people out there. It's

32:11

like it doesn't change the fact

32:13

that he will still have love

32:15

for the people that raised him.

32:17

Like we know these things logically,

32:20

like... Yeah, and he turns out

32:22

Bobby's like a really nice guy.

32:24

So when the, so when the,

32:26

so when the, when the Blinberg

32:28

kidnapping happens, he's the, he was

32:30

the most famous case of a

32:32

kidnapping until then. So all these

32:34

reporters are calling, calling on him,

32:36

and he does this whole, like,

32:38

he does this press conference, and

32:40

that's when he says, I actually,

32:42

for a while, I was with

32:44

William Walters, and there was another

32:46

kid with us. And we were

32:48

driving around in the truck and

32:50

the kid fell off the truck

32:52

and hit his head and he

32:54

buried him and told me never

32:56

to say anything. What? Yeah. Right.

32:58

So then they're like, what the

33:00

hell having William Walter? So they're

33:02

like, well, he died because he

33:04

was on death row, right? Aha!

33:06

No, but the appeal came through

33:08

and he in two years He

33:11

was out of jail at a

33:13

prison and he the trial was

33:15

so expensive that it bankrupt the

33:17

town almost bankrupt the town Oh

33:19

my god a new trial So

33:21

William Walters left for parts unknown

33:23

and everybody nobody heard from him

33:25

again. Oh my god So he

33:27

was maybe guilty of something something

33:29

maybe? But maybe they don't know.

33:31

Yeah, he really see that Is

33:33

that just something in his imagination?

33:35

Did that guy tell him that's

33:37

what happened to another kid so

33:39

don't get out of line? Right.

33:41

You know, and that could have

33:43

become a memory that became... so

33:45

clear to him that it's not

33:47

real. It could have been any,

33:49

you don't fucking know. So Bobby

33:51

lives in Houston, moves to Houston,

33:53

goes to school there, and once

33:55

again, very nice man, has a

33:57

family, raises a family, very well

34:00

loved, good dad, good granddad to

34:02

his kids, and says to them,

34:04

I know my past is really

34:06

complicated. I know it's, but he

34:08

says, I am a dumbbar, and

34:10

you're a dumbbar to his kids.

34:12

Mm-hmm. And nothing's going to change

34:14

that. You know, this is our

34:16

family. We are family. Nothing will

34:18

ever, ever change that. And he

34:20

said, and his father tells that

34:22

to, they all tell each other,

34:24

we're all dumbbars. Yeah. Whenever he

34:26

brings up insecurity about that, they're

34:28

like, nope, you're a done bar.

34:30

So when their kids, and their

34:32

kids grow up thinking, of the

34:34

done bars, which is like Bobby's.

34:36

generation and his children are like,

34:38

okay, we're all done bars, nothing

34:40

matters, we're just going to stay

34:42

done bars. Bobby dies in 66,

34:44

1966, and that's, and, and so

34:46

his story becomes kind of legend

34:48

in the family, and he has

34:51

a granddaughter named Margaret, and Margaret

34:53

in 1999, fully grown. And I

34:55

always was obsessed with the story

34:57

and she would beg her grandmother

34:59

all the time. I would have

35:01

been upset. You know me. I

35:03

would have been easily like, let's

35:05

talk about that again. What is

35:07

that the time he was abducted?

35:09

Like, what happened? Did they really

35:11

open up the crocodile? I was

35:13

like, I would really want to

35:15

know. So she, so she is

35:17

quite, she asked you ask about

35:19

this. So 1999, her brother dies

35:21

in a plane crash. Her kids

35:23

are all grown up and going

35:25

to college. and she has never

35:27

worked before and her husband has

35:29

a job where he spends the

35:31

week out of town and he

35:33

comes home on the weekends. Sounds

35:35

ideal. I think that'll be the

35:37

best marriage ever. I mean, right?

35:40

It's almost like you're dating every

35:42

weekend. Like, yeah, it might be

35:44

great. Anyway, so, but, but, she's

35:46

lonely. I mean, the kids are

35:48

gone. She's kind of like, what

35:50

is my identity? Like, little, little

35:52

emptiness syndrome. Yeah. And so she

35:54

was talking with one of her

35:56

sisters about, like, I really want

35:58

to do more investigation, because I

36:00

really want to know, are we

36:02

done bars? Are we done bars?

36:04

And most of the family doesn't

36:06

want to go there at this

36:08

point. But the other younger kids

36:10

are like more around her age.

36:12

So like, yeah. So her sister

36:14

gives her a subscription so she

36:16

can go to the Library of

36:18

Congress and look up records. So

36:20

she's looking up all the records

36:22

for everything. And then she's finding

36:24

out that what the paper said

36:26

about this Julia Anderson person, how

36:28

maligned that she was. And she

36:31

just went and it's horrifying what

36:33

was said to this woman on

36:35

this day. Like she just was

36:37

treated like shit. and she always

36:39

like wondered like what happened to

36:41

her and what happened to her

36:43

family. Now the Andersons have always

36:45

felt that Bruce Anderson was taken

36:47

from them. So the Andersons are

36:49

totally okay with Margaret Dumbar reaching

36:51

out and saying I want to

36:53

find out what really happened and

36:55

they're like thank you yeah we'd

36:57

like that too. Because they've been

36:59

living with it. They didn't know

37:01

this in this this whole story.

37:03

And this is different than a...

37:05

like typical adoption story obviously like

37:07

we all have like my grandfather

37:09

like lived in a field in

37:11

during the depression and like the

37:13

family that owned the field basically

37:15

adopted him and his sister and

37:17

his dad right but by you

37:20

know and so we have all

37:22

been like well what was the

37:24

original family like the you know

37:26

the birth family like what was

37:28

that like we don't know you

37:30

know we have a lot of

37:32

curiosity about it but it doesn't

37:34

feel as we're not like walking

37:36

around going well are we really

37:38

man's fields like we you know

37:40

It's like it's different than being

37:42

taken. It's a crime when there's

37:44

a crime when there's a crime

37:46

at the basis of this relationship

37:48

of everything. How does that not

37:50

get weird and sticky for people?

37:52

How does that not? And some

37:54

people can just block things out

37:56

and not deal with them. I'm

37:58

not one of them. I wish

38:00

I was. Believe me, you had

38:02

to watch me have a meltdown

38:04

about 20 minutes ago, but I

38:06

was upset about something. You know

38:08

just some people that one family

38:11

was we don't investigate this were

38:13

dumbbars. The other family is like

38:15

we're absolutely open to this because

38:17

we need to know what happened

38:19

to Bruce. Yes. So Margaret is

38:21

is going through all the papers

38:23

and then she's finding more and

38:25

more like this one this Julia

38:27

Anderson was railroaded that there was

38:29

no reason to take this child

38:31

away from her. She absolutely did

38:33

recognize him but they were saying

38:35

but you lost those kids but

38:37

you didn't see him at first

38:39

blah blah blah blah blah like

38:41

all these other things so of

38:43

course now it's 1999 what do

38:45

we have we have DNA testing

38:47

mhm so she goes to her

38:49

father and she goes to the

38:51

Dunbar family and her father was

38:53

the son of Bobby Dunbar and

38:55

said would you give up would

38:57

you give a DNA sample so

39:00

we could do this and everybody

39:02

else in the family was like

39:04

no no no no and he

39:06

said yes because I want the

39:08

answer too. So everybody's pissed or

39:10

hurt or dead now. I mean,

39:12

wouldn't you want to know? I

39:14

would just, what you wanted to

39:16

know. There's nothing to inherit either.

39:18

I mean, they're not that rich

39:20

anymore. So it's not like, well,

39:22

and it doesn't change. Like, you

39:24

are still, like, part of the

39:26

family. Right. You're raised as a

39:28

done bar. You're, you're a dumb

39:30

bar. You were raised by dumb

39:32

bar. That's your last name. It's

39:34

your last name. It's doesn't lose

39:36

anything. It doesn't lose anything. It

39:38

doesn't lose anything. It doesn't lose

39:40

anything. It doesn't lose anything. It

39:42

doesn't lose anything. Yeah, protective of

39:44

it, whatever you want to say.

39:46

But everyone's pissed at her father

39:48

and her, and it really put

39:51

up a big thing in the

39:53

family. Like they were really, really

39:55

angry about this. But the Anderson's

39:57

were psyched because they wanted to

39:59

find out. So lo and behold,

40:01

they have the, this is, they

40:03

have the 1999, they do this

40:05

testing. It's 33 years after Bobby

40:07

Dunbar's death, and they find

40:10

out that in fact, it's Bruce

40:12

Anderson. Bobby Dunbar was

40:14

Bruce Anderson. They actually

40:17

did take away Julie Anderson's

40:19

son. So fucked up. They

40:21

gave her to another family.

40:23

And then imprisoned this other man

40:25

and his family had for years

40:27

said he didn't kidnap that boy.

40:30

It was his brother's girlfriend's,

40:32

you know, son, his nephew,

40:34

essentially. So much. But they

40:36

had a fucked up dynamic, but

40:38

it was still her son and

40:40

she wanted him back and she loved

40:43

him. Yeah. So the people in

40:45

Mississippi are excited because... They

40:47

have that answer solved. But

40:49

the Dunbar's, it leaves them

40:52

feeling icky because whatever happened

40:54

to Bobby Dunbar. Yeah. It's been

40:56

111 years. Nobody knows what happened

40:58

to him. He was declared dead.

41:01

They had to basically declare him

41:03

dead in abstention because there's no

41:06

way he could be alive at

41:08

this point. But they don't know.

41:10

Was he kidnapped? He most likely...

41:13

what happened was he had drowned

41:15

like he had fallen he gotten

41:17

separated from the family once again

41:20

yeah it takes a second for

41:22

somebody to get out of your

41:24

sight and then they're gone and

41:27

he probably fell over this bridge

41:29

and probably was eaten by

41:31

a crocodile Jesus that's awful

41:33

right right right and so awful

41:36

That's kind of it. Sonia, we

41:38

never find out truly what happened

41:40

to Bobby Dunbar. It did turn

41:42

out that he was, the person

41:45

who always thought he was Bobby

41:47

Dunbar was actually Bruce

41:49

Anderson. And that's the creepy

41:51

case of the disappearance of Bobby

41:54

Dunbar. Good job, my friend. I

41:56

did not, I didn't know where this

41:58

one was going, so. Wow. Damn. Yeah.

42:00

I wish all of this could

42:03

have happened while he was still

42:05

alive because I would have it

42:07

would have been awesome to hear

42:09

like what he would think about

42:11

that. I mean, so also like,

42:13

you know, would he be like

42:15

horribly sad? Would it just like

42:17

break his fucking heart? I don't

42:19

wish heartbreak on him, but God,

42:21

I would love to know what

42:23

he would think. Well, there's an

42:25

addendum to this. So in 2008,

42:28

this American life, Margaret does a

42:30

story for this American life about

42:32

Bobby Dunbar. And so they send

42:34

some reporters to go to the

42:36

Pomplerville, Mississippi to see the Anderson

42:38

family if there's anybody that wants

42:40

to talk. And a lot of

42:42

people wanted to talk. And they

42:44

said, actually, something we've never mentioned

42:46

before is we think that Bobby

42:48

Dunbar came here to this city

42:50

to look for Julia. to see

42:52

if there was actually a relation.

42:55

So there's a couple of cases

42:57

where they said a man that

42:59

resembles Bobby Dunbar came to their

43:01

town and like went to see

43:03

Julia at her job, he went

43:05

to see like one of his,

43:07

would turn out to be like

43:09

one of his nephews at their

43:11

job and just to say, hey

43:13

I heard there's a case about

43:15

this kid, Bruce Anderson, and he

43:17

was taken away, and then people

43:20

are like, oh yeah, you don't

43:22

know, they, they, they, they stole,

43:24

the Dunbar stole Bruce, the Dunbar

43:26

stole Bruce, stole Bruce, that's stole

43:28

Bruce, that's stole Bruce, that's, that's,

43:30

that's, that's, that's, that's, that's what

43:32

he was, that's what he was,

43:34

that's, that's what he was, that's

43:36

what he was, that's, And he

43:38

supposedly talked to Julia, but he

43:40

didn't tell her that I'm your

43:42

son or I think I'm your

43:45

son because he didn't know. There

43:47

was no way to know. But

43:49

he was kind of hoping to

43:51

see, they think like maybe he

43:53

was hoping there'd be some kind

43:55

of a spark and he'd say

43:57

like, oh, that's really her. Well,

43:59

and like, I mean, sometimes they

44:01

don't. Right. Like they just don't

44:03

and it's not because it's not

44:05

their child or anything. It's like

44:07

they just don't and like I

44:10

think looks very much like me

44:12

and I think you know my

44:14

niece Lorelei like I think he

44:16

looks just like Lorelei and Lorelei

44:18

looks like me so there you

44:20

go but like you know there's

44:22

I don't look like my dad

44:24

no you know it's like and

44:26

it's also like how do you

44:28

tell at that time and it's

44:30

And they were a very powerful

44:32

family. They had a lot of

44:34

money. And they also, they had

44:37

their own grief. They had their

44:39

own, like, out of their, I

44:41

mean, they didn't know what happened

44:43

to their son. They just assumed

44:45

that either somebody stole him or

44:47

he drowned and was eaten by

44:49

a crocodile. Like, like, which one,

44:51

you know, if somebody comes along

44:53

and says, hey, it looks just

44:55

like him. And then, you know,

44:57

and he eventually kind of gives

44:59

her a hug and then they're

45:02

like, hey, and by the way,

45:04

they gave you a pony and

45:06

a bike. Like, he's like, well,

45:08

this has got to be it.

45:10

This is paradise compared to me

45:12

being in the car for the

45:14

last year with his asshole. Such

45:16

a crazy story. So it's, yeah,

45:18

it's a completely crazy story. But

45:20

yeah, it's a completely crazy story.

45:22

But yeah. I mean, and we've

45:24

been hearing these stories, I mean,

45:27

23, by the way, 23 of

45:29

me is going bankrupt, y'all, so

45:31

if you have your data with

45:33

them, get the hell out right

45:35

now? Did you do that? I

45:37

bought this and I never took

45:39

it. Are you kidding me? I'm

45:41

sitting here. I'm showing Margot my

45:43

23 and Me kit that is

45:45

still in the wrapper. Like, I

45:47

bought it because I was like,

45:49

I'll do this someday, and I

45:52

never did. You know it's so

45:54

funny is. I did a story

45:56

for um for fit bottom girls

45:58

and it was about DNA testing

46:00

because there's some people there were

46:02

some companies that were selling this

46:04

they'll do your DNA and they

46:06

could tell you what kind of

46:08

workout you need and diet you

46:10

need based on your so I

46:12

say yeah or five of them

46:14

so my DNA is probably a

46:16

lot of different places that I

46:19

don't know about. I mean, I

46:21

was like, I don't know who

46:23

I sent it to. I don't

46:25

know. It was like 2008, 2009,

46:27

like I don't know. It was

46:29

like the Wild West. I have

46:31

relatives that have done those things.

46:33

Yeah. You know, we were able

46:35

to catch the Golden State killer

46:37

because of these tests. I mean,

46:39

I think, yeah, I think, but

46:41

you do hear stories about people

46:44

who found out that they were

46:46

the product of an affair or,

46:48

you know, whatever. crazy stories out

46:50

there about that. But when I

46:52

read that they were going out

46:54

of business, I was like, oh,

46:56

I guess it's too late. Honestly,

46:58

it's probably expired or something. It's

47:00

been sitting here for, I keep

47:02

forgetting about it. Now I'm like,

47:04

oh. It was exciting to do

47:06

it. It was, you know, you

47:09

give a little bit of your

47:11

saliva and then they came, and

47:13

of course it's like I'm 99%

47:15

Irish. I mean, yeah, who knew,

47:17

who didn't know that, but right.

47:19

Yeah, but it was still interesting.

47:21

I mean, I still found it

47:23

fascinating. I still looked, yeah, when

47:25

I would go on ancestry, sometimes

47:27

they're like, oh, we found a

47:29

relative of yours, it's, yeah. Yeah,

47:31

I have aunts who are like

47:34

super into, like super into this,

47:36

like, like, like, Oh well what's

47:38

done is done but yeah they

47:40

didn't have that back then for

47:42

Bobby Dunbar they would be like

47:44

DNA test his blood's red her

47:46

blood's red it's a match doesn't

47:48

look like your mama she loves

47:50

you man like okay I don't

47:52

care I'm five whatever like I'll

47:54

go wherever you want me to

47:56

go. But he always wondered himself.

47:58

That's my whole point. It's like

48:01

he was kind of wondered himself.

48:03

So he went to the town

48:05

and he was scared because supposedly

48:07

he was like, what if everybody

48:09

can recognize me right off the

48:11

bat? And I'm like, well, you're

48:13

in your 50s now. I don't

48:15

think everyone's going to be immediately

48:17

like, are you Bruce? Bruce Anderson,

48:19

get over here. You never know.

48:21

But I feel very bad for

48:23

Lessie because she never really got

48:26

to know what happened to her.

48:28

for the Andersons because they finally

48:30

got an answer. Yeah, and got

48:32

a little bit of justice, if

48:34

there's any kind of justice in

48:36

that. Well, at least the truth.

48:38

The truth came out and like,

48:40

they say the truth will set

48:42

you free. That's what they say.

48:44

That's what they say. Well, instead

48:46

of doing a full-on, like, not

48:48

a creep, I thought maybe I

48:51

would do a little something I'm

48:53

calling. How about some good news?

48:55

Yes, Sonia, Sonia, we need this.

48:57

We need this today. Okay, so

48:59

here's some good news. So, all

49:01

right, it'll start sounding like bad

49:03

news, but it'll get into good

49:05

news. Okay, so everyone here in

49:07

America knows that Target's like, oh,

49:09

we're not going to do DEA

49:11

anymore, so we're not going to

49:13

do it. And then everybody went

49:15

on, like, we're not shopping at

49:18

Target, including myself who loves Target.

49:20

Yeah. Their sales have gone down

49:22

three percent. Poor babies, that's the

49:24

good news. Fuck around and find

49:26

out. Yep, fuck around and find

49:28

out target. Also Costco's sales have

49:30

gone up and They're doing the

49:32

right thing. So we like that

49:34

I like that The advances went

49:36

to go visit Greenland and Greenland

49:38

has told them to fuck off

49:40

Why are we taking over sovereign

49:43

nations? Don't we need to fix

49:45

problems here? Why are we adopting

49:47

another? Oh, oh, it's just for

49:49

their resources. Yeah, a fucking It's

49:51

because Putin is probably telling Trump

49:53

that we need to take Greenland

49:55

for some reason. That's probably why.

49:57

But I love it. The whole

49:59

thing was originally JD Vance's wife

50:01

was going to go. Ushah. Ushah.

50:03

And then she was going to

50:05

go to this like famous dog

50:08

sledding race and all that stuff.

50:10

And at first they were like,

50:12

like with vice president's wives do,

50:14

by the way. So Biden didn't

50:16

do that shit. No. And at

50:18

first they were like, um, okay.

50:20

you know, as the rhetoric starts

50:22

to spin up, Greenland was like,

50:24

no, you're not invited. The team

50:26

actually went door to door in

50:28

neighborhoods trying to find people who

50:30

live in Greenland that would meet

50:33

with the Vances and everyone said

50:35

no. Everyone said no. Nobody wants

50:37

to talk to them. Everybody hates

50:39

them. It's amazing. The only thing

50:41

they got to do was go

50:43

to like some like military base

50:45

that's in the middle of nowhere

50:47

and they're doing like awkward photo

50:49

shoots and like their photo ops

50:51

or whatever. Greenland is like you

50:53

can fuck all the way off.

50:55

It's so good. On the same

50:57

note, Canada has been taking out

51:00

billboards around the country letting people

51:02

know that like tariffs are actually

51:04

taxes on them. Like I'm all

51:06

here for other countries. Treating us

51:08

like the assholes that we are.

51:10

We deserve it. We deserve it.

51:12

We deserve it. We deserve it.

51:14

I'm very curious to see how

51:16

tourism will be this summer. I

51:18

don't think it's gonna be great.

51:20

I know Canada's not visiting the

51:22

US. I've worked for a lot

51:25

of people. They're like, nope. Well,

51:27

I work for a company where

51:29

we usually fly people in from

51:31

all over the world to come

51:33

here for like company off sites.

51:35

No. They're saying any of these

51:37

people at risk. Yeah. Like we're

51:39

going to have to go to

51:41

them. And I was like, I'm

51:43

a pack of extra big suitcase.

51:45

I don't know if I'm coming

51:47

right. Right. So I think that's

51:50

some good news. The Supreme Court

51:52

upheld Biden error rules regulating ghost

51:54

guns. That's a win. We'll take

51:56

it. What's a ghost gun? It

51:58

is like one of those, um,

52:00

like, you know, they can make

52:02

model. Yes. Yes. They upheld some.

52:04

Yeah, and it's seven to two,

52:06

so it was like a majority.

52:08

I mean, the two that didn't

52:10

vote for it or the two

52:12

you think, it's Aliodo and Thomas.

52:15

They fucking suck. So, whatever, fuck

52:17

them. This will sound like bad

52:19

news at first, but trust me,

52:21

it's going to be good news.

52:23

Okay. There was a bunch of

52:25

lions in the Ukraine that were

52:27

very traumatized by all the fighting

52:29

that was going on and they

52:31

relocated them to a big cat

52:33

sanctuary east of south east of

52:35

London. The lions are like Rory.

52:37

is the main lion, the male

52:39

lion with the main and all

52:42

that stuff. And then there's Amani,

52:44

Lira, Vanda, and Una, they have

52:46

all been relocated and they're super

52:48

happy. Oh, the lions are okay,

52:50

everybody. There was a special election

52:52

this week in the United States

52:54

in Pennsylvania for a state Senate

52:56

seat. It went to a Democrat

52:58

in a district that was... won

53:00

by Trump by 15 points. Wow,

53:02

very good things, y'all. Very good

53:04

things. And it's got, there's another

53:07

special election happening next week in

53:09

Florida that has now got them

53:11

all very freaked out because it

53:13

was a district that Trump won

53:15

by like also 15 points. And

53:17

now it's like a really, really,

53:19

really close race where it normally

53:21

wouldn't be. So like running on.

53:24

Fuck you, we don't want kings,

53:26

Elon Musk can kick rocks, is

53:29

working. People like that. Also, AOC

53:31

and Bernie Sanders are on like

53:33

a, you know, some sort of.

53:36

Yeah, they're on like a tour,

53:38

basically. I have thoughts and feelings

53:40

about Bernie Sanders, but really, really

53:42

like AOC, and I like that

53:45

they are drawing huge crowds. I

53:47

know people in Colorado who went.

53:49

And they were like, they've never

53:52

seen anything like that in their

53:54

lives, like the number of people

53:56

that showed up. Yes. And Tim

53:58

Walls is also doing. like big

54:01

tours and lots of people are

54:03

showing up and I really really

54:05

like that they're doing that. I

54:08

also wanted to say for all

54:10

the people that celebrate baseball is

54:12

back. Whoo baseball is back baby!

54:14

So happy opening day to all

54:17

those who celebrate and then the

54:19

most important good news.

54:21

It's Margo's birthday weekend. Oh!

54:24

Margo's birthday weekend! It's Margo's

54:26

birthday week! Happy birthday Margo! Everybody

54:28

fill the Facebook group with happy

54:30

birthday things for Margo. She deserves

54:32

all the good things for her

54:35

birthday. Thank you. I mean, there's

54:37

mercury and retrograde, there's all kinds

54:39

of things astrologically that are happening,

54:41

that are wiggy-y whack, and it's

54:43

like, of course it happens on

54:45

March 29th. Why would it do

54:47

it do any other day? I'll

54:50

make the best of it. Of

54:52

course you will. And I hope

54:54

you have the most amazing birthday.

54:56

Oh, thank you. So that's our good

54:58

news. Well, that's all good news. Isn't

55:00

it wild that we still have elections

55:03

going on? I was very surprised to

55:05

hear that. Well, I don't know why

55:07

that one is happening in Pennsylvania.

55:09

It could be that it could be

55:12

somebody died and they had to fill

55:14

the seed or something like that.

55:16

But also these are, there's going

55:18

to be some special elections. to

55:20

fill the seats of people that

55:22

Trump pulled for his cabinet. Right,

55:24

so I know that in Staten Island,

55:27

uh, Stefaniac, whatever her name is, she,

55:29

we're going to give her a UN

55:31

position, but they told her not to

55:33

because there's, and I don't think, she

55:35

will lose, I think she will, they

55:38

will, they will lose that seat, basically,

55:40

they'd have to have, and they would

55:42

lose their like, very small house majority,

55:44

so, right. Poor baby. Yeah. But

55:46

I kissed Trump's ass so hard.

55:48

I deserve it. Oh, I hope

55:51

she wasn't picking out curtains for

55:53

her new office at the UN.

55:55

She's apparently not happy. She was

55:57

good. Because she's sick of stuff.

56:00

Yeah, I'm glad too. Yeah. Cry more. Cry

56:02

more as well. Cry more. Cry more. I

56:04

love your tears. Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum,

56:06

yum. Eat them up. Well, if you like

56:08

the sound of our voices, and by golly,

56:10

why wouldn't you at this point? We also

56:12

co-hosts a show called Dorking Out, where we

56:14

dork out about movies. Now, we haven't picked

56:16

our movie yet. Maybe we'll give you guys,

56:18

we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll announce it

56:20

in the in the, we'll, we'll, we'll announce

56:22

it in the, we'll announce it in the,

56:24

we'll announce it in the, in the, in

56:26

the, in the, in the Facebook, in the

56:28

Facebook, in the Facebook, in the Facebook, in

56:30

the, in the, in the, in the, in

56:32

the, in the, in the, in the, we'll,

56:34

in the, we'll, in the Yeah, we normally

56:36

recorded on Saturdays and it drops on Sundays,

56:38

but because it's a birthday weekend and everything's

56:40

all the plans are all over the place

56:42

We're gonna record it on Monday. So we'll

56:44

probably release it on Monday or something. Yeah,

56:46

I'll drop it. So we're gonna decide something

56:48

Yeah, we'll pick it over the weekend and

56:50

post it in the Facebook group and I'm

56:52

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56:54

people know what we're going to do. And

56:56

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56:58

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57:28

you? You can find me pretty much everywhere.

57:30

I'm at the Sonya show.com, the Sonya show

57:32

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57:34

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57:36

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57:38

So if you want to. That's the most

57:40

interactive place you'll probably find me. Where can

57:42

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57:44

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57:52

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