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With the voice of your childhood,
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Tony Shavani. Tony, what's going on,
3:19
man? How are you? You've read Day
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Javu. Okay, why don't we start this
3:23
over again? Now listen, we're having a
3:25
lot of fun. A lot of this is
3:27
gonna wind up on the editing room
3:29
floor, but welcome to what happened
3:32
with Tony Shavani. We are going
3:34
to be watching a very special
3:36
edition of Wrestleandia today.
3:38
If we're talking WrestleMania One,
3:40
and this is going back 40 years,
3:43
March 31st, 1985, pretty fared up about
3:45
this one. Because this is, well, not
3:47
a WrestleMania that ages well, but it
3:49
is the granddaddy of them all. This
3:51
shows all about nostalgia. Why not do
3:54
some nostalgia together? Now we're gonna
3:56
be watching an abbreviated version
3:58
of WrestleMania. We'll be skipping
4:01
Beef Cake and San Martino Jr.
4:03
and JY.D. versus Greg Valentine. So
4:05
we're going to be watching a total
4:08
of one hour and 43 minutes
4:10
of old school rasling today. For
4:12
people who are watching along on
4:14
Peacock, we want you to join
4:16
us at season one episode one.
4:18
I think our first match today
4:20
is going to be Tito Santana
4:22
versus the executioner. Tony,
4:24
what's going on? Are you taking us
4:26
to the gun show? You want to do
4:29
that again? Oh,
4:31
yeah. No, I don't. Where are we
4:33
here? Oh. We're watching WrestleMania.
4:37
It's the very first one.
4:39
It's over on. Should we
4:41
say something about the
4:43
big dynamite coming up?
4:45
You know what? That's great.
4:48
I'm glad you mentioned
4:50
that because as folks
4:52
are listening to this.
4:54
There's about to be
4:56
a historic milestone. If
4:59
you're at A-W. Dynamo is going
5:01
to have one more episode than
5:03
Nitro as of this coming Wednesday.
5:05
So as you're listening to this,
5:07
it's later tonight. And it's in
5:10
a pretty bad-ass venue. One of the
5:12
more picturesque venues I think AEW has
5:14
ever ran. It's a part of Fenway
5:16
Park too. So if you're a
5:18
baseball fan, man, this is checking a
5:20
lot of boxes, isn't it? It's going
5:23
to be very cool. It's going to
5:25
be two nights of live TV live
5:27
on TBS on Wednesday. live on TV
5:29
and T on Thursday, of course,
5:31
streaming on Max on both nights,
5:33
a live collision on Thursday,
5:35
not on Saturday this week. So
5:38
it is pretty cool. And I
5:40
need to say something here and
5:42
most people are going to say, oh,
5:44
you're so cool. Yeah, I am. This has
5:46
been, it hasn't always been a
5:49
smooth road working with ADW. There's
5:51
been bumps. And I'm talking
5:53
about bumps that. You have not
5:55
seen bumps that have not been
5:57
reported by 401 flux sheet and all.
6:00
the other stooges that pretend
6:02
to be journalists. But it has,
6:04
it has had, the bumps, it really
6:06
has had. But when I think about
6:08
what this company has done
6:10
and what Tony Khan has done
6:13
for everybody who works backstage, he
6:15
gave us new life. He completely changed
6:17
our lives. Everybody who works
6:19
for him, he changed our lives.
6:22
I see people in the front office.
6:24
So that means a lot. And so
6:26
when he talks about this being
6:28
a special moment. He's talking about
6:31
it because he loves wrestling
6:33
on a nostalgia level
6:35
like we do. And so it's Tony
6:38
has done a lot for us.
6:40
So I'm going into this show
6:42
on Wednesday thinking about what
6:44
Tony has done for us
6:46
and some of the things he's
6:49
come up with that have
6:51
helped things out. You know, right
6:53
now, Tony Storm, timeless
6:55
Tony Storm is... probably the biggest
6:57
woman star that we have, well
6:59
not probably is the biggest woman
7:02
star we have, and that's because
7:04
it was a character that Tony Khan
7:06
developed. Tony Khan came up with
7:08
the idea, RJ City took the idea,
7:10
and of course wrote some scripts for
7:13
it and everything, but it was
7:15
Tony's idea, and he's come up with
7:17
some very good ideas for us over
7:19
the last six years. If you think
7:21
about stadium stampede, if you
7:23
think about the double cage
7:25
or went up on top of the
7:27
double cage. He's come up with some
7:30
very good ideas for us and it's
7:32
been us, our idea to implement
7:34
them, our charge to implement
7:36
them, which we have done the best
7:38
of our abilities. So, you know, I
7:40
really feel that this is going to
7:43
be a very special night for many,
7:45
many reasons. And I thank the
7:47
fans, the own heart tournament, thank
7:49
you Coach Rose, yet's another
7:51
thing that Tony Khan came up with.
7:54
So it's It's been a lot of fun
7:56
and this is going to be a very
7:58
very special night for us especially. When I
8:00
think back to nitro and I think
8:02
about how difficult things were at the
8:05
end, they were so difficult at the
8:07
end. And when I go back and I look
8:09
at some of the nitros, you
8:11
know, you mentioned that this,
8:13
this, Conrad, this Russellmania one,
8:15
probably doesn't age well for
8:17
the modern fans. I was mentioned,
8:20
I would mention to say the
8:22
very, very last two months of
8:24
W. C.W. hasn't aged very well
8:26
for the fans. So. But it's been it's
8:28
been a lot of fun being a being a part
8:30
of this and I look forward to seeing
8:32
what we got coming up for the next
8:34
couple of weeks. I for one did not
8:36
even consider what you just laid
8:38
out about the significance in regards
8:40
to Tony Khan's accomplishment
8:43
if you will because I know he had a
8:45
certain set of goals when he launched this thing.
8:47
I really get nostalgic about Tony
8:49
Khan's influence on the business around
8:51
the anniversary of dynamite. So I'm
8:53
usually thinking about that in October right.
8:56
Hey here in April. I mean, listen,
8:58
let's not deny that some
9:00
of the names and all that
9:02
wasn't loosely inspired by nitro. So
9:04
the little brother, I guess, getting
9:07
a little older, let's
9:09
celebrate it, but I don't
9:11
necessarily think that the online
9:13
conversation about nitro
9:15
versus dynamite is a productive
9:17
one. It's like, can we
9:20
not just appreciate AW for what
9:22
it is without making a... to
9:24
something else. Does that make sense? Sure,
9:26
it does. Absolutely does. But that's
9:28
what they want to do. So and
9:31
again, social media has changed the dynamic
9:33
of what we do. There wasn't social
9:35
media back in the nitro era like
9:38
it is now. And I don't think there
9:40
was social media back in the nitro
9:42
era. I was barely email back. Right.
9:44
Yeah, we just started an email.
9:46
You're right. So it's changed the
9:48
dynamic. What I've said before and I
9:50
like to say that is what that social
9:53
media has done is give idiots a
9:55
voice But it's also given voice to
9:57
some very very intelligent people
9:59
and So I kind of take
10:02
social media with the green assault
10:04
so the you know the The
10:06
discussion that you're talking about
10:08
Basically has no influence on
10:10
me, but what does have an
10:12
influence on me is what Tony
10:14
Khan has done for us No,
10:16
and again I go back to To
10:18
this timeless Tony storm thing was
10:21
an idea he had from from
10:23
watching a movie. He thought Tony
10:25
storm would play a great
10:27
character and listen as Tony storm
10:29
not Just on run, run, home
10:32
run, home run on full into this. So
10:34
as we go on to take a look at
10:36
Wrestle-Me-U-1, that may not air, that may
10:38
not go back and with the fans, they
10:40
may look at and go, yeah, just remember
10:43
that the modern air of wrestling,
10:45
Tony Khan has had a profound
10:47
influence on that, from what he's
10:49
put on TV. And obviously so
10:51
have the people in the W.E. I can't
10:54
deny that. But wrestling has changed
10:56
and has changed for the better and
10:58
has changed for the better. when dynamite
11:01
started back in October 2019.
11:03
Want to give a quick shout
11:05
out to a friend of the show,
11:07
part of the family, Coach Keith Morrison,
11:09
who says, what's up guys? I need
11:12
help and prayers for my ad-free
11:14
family, had to put my 14-year-old
11:16
dog down. It hurts like hell.
11:19
His dog's name was Nick. Coach
11:21
Keith continues. I'm hurting so
11:23
bad, I couldn't even go into
11:25
work tonight. I don't blame him.
11:27
Just considering what you went through, I'm
11:30
not all that long ago with Bug,
11:32
I know this one hits home for
11:34
you. Lois and I had a
11:36
moment about Bug today and she
11:38
started crying and hugged me and
11:40
we just stood there in the
11:42
kitchen because we, I don't know, we
11:44
just got talking about him and I
11:46
told her the story that the, I
11:49
don't want to make this about me
11:51
or Bug, because Keith we really appreciate
11:53
your friendship and support and
11:56
we're feeling for you. the clothes that
11:58
I had on when We had
12:00
to put a bug down, which
12:02
was in my lab, are still
12:04
hanging in the back of my
12:06
door a year later, and I
12:08
won't get him watched, and I
12:10
won't wear him again. But losing
12:12
a dog, the thing of it
12:14
is, George Carlett said on one
12:16
of his routines a long time
12:19
ago, because he was a dog
12:21
lover. He said, when you get
12:23
a dog, you know the deal.
12:25
You understand what could be in
12:27
the future, and more than likely
12:29
is in the future. And we
12:31
love our dogs and all of
12:33
our heart, like, like, you know
12:35
I've got two of them right
12:37
here. As you can see, and
12:39
there's a little dovy right there,
12:41
we love them with all of
12:43
our heart and give them everything,
12:45
but we know that they're in
12:47
our lives for only a short
12:49
period of time. I read somewhere
12:51
where someone that said that when
12:53
we leave this earth, we will
12:56
all of our belongings to our
12:58
children, our grandchildren, or donate them
13:00
or something, that is our will.
13:02
But when a dog leaves this
13:04
earth, he wills. the love that
13:06
you gave that dog to another
13:08
dog. So that's what I thought
13:10
I did. I thought the love
13:12
that I gave the bug, I
13:14
will to Davy here and to
13:16
Kirby here and rescue them from
13:18
a dog rescue. So you will
13:20
the love. So I know it's
13:22
gonna take some time, Coach Keith,
13:24
I know it is, but take
13:26
some time, rescue yourself another dog,
13:28
and you'll love this dog. Like,
13:30
again. to learn to love a
13:33
dog again. So we're thinking about
13:35
you, buddy. Oh, I love doing
13:37
this podcast with you. Thanks for
13:39
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13:41
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unlocked and loaded ready to go
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here for WrestleMania. Are you ready
15:14
on your end? I guess I
15:16
am. I guess what we're going
15:18
to do is start at double
15:21
zeros. I'm sorry. Five zeros and
15:23
we are going to play up
15:25
until a certain point. Yep. And
15:27
then we're going to stop and
15:30
we are going to fast forward
15:32
and go to another point. Yep.
15:34
Let's call in our great producer,
15:36
our crack producer, not a crack
15:39
head, but our crack producer, Dave
15:41
Silva. Dave, if you'll come aboard
15:43
here with us and instruct us
15:45
on what we have to do.
15:48
Ladies and gentlemen, from the great
15:50
state of Texas, Dave Silva. Dave.
15:52
Hey, Dave. Jump on your peacock
15:54
and start at the beginning. And
15:56
then Connor and we'll tell you
15:59
when to pause and fast forward.
16:01
and hit play again. Take it
16:03
away, Conrad. You mean not coming
16:05
all right to Conrad? That's right.
16:08
Take a look at this primitive
16:10
open. These 1985 graphics here, Twin
16:12
Towers first, brother. New York City.
16:14
We'll move it up at the
16:17
right corner here, bring in the
16:19
WWF logo. And it's time for
16:21
WrestleMania. That's right. Take a look
16:23
at this masked man. And take
16:26
a look at the East. Oh
16:28
my god, Matt Bourne, Ricky Steamboat.
16:30
San Martino Jr. and JY.D. and
16:32
Greg Valentine. Oh, they're going through
16:35
all the matches. I'm just real
16:37
out. These are the matches. And
16:39
I and chic, talking to the
16:41
Hulk Hogan. And the, uh, what
16:44
are they called, the All American
16:46
and American Express, something like that?
16:48
Andre and Big John Stud. Tintin,
16:52
tintin, t-t-tintin, t-t-tuh. There's Cindy
16:54
Loper right there with Wendy
16:56
Richter. Of course, Layline's her
16:58
opponent with Fabulous Mula in
17:00
her corner. There's your main
17:02
event, Holcogin and Mr. T.
17:04
Fresh off of the 18BA
17:06
Baracas. And there you go,
17:08
Mr. Wonderful. Roddy Piper. Of
17:10
course, your special guest referee
17:12
enforced her, Mohammed Ali. There's
17:14
Billy Robinson. I wonder if
17:16
there was any parking in
17:18
there. How about your man
17:20
Liberace? All the stars are
17:22
here for WrestleMania. Of course,
17:24
we know we're going to
17:26
see the rockets and a
17:28
whole lot more. But it's
17:30
interesting to think about how
17:32
much just the graphic presentation
17:34
and I mean, look at
17:36
the way this thing is
17:38
lived. Yeah, wrestling doesn't look
17:40
like this anymore, even on
17:42
a weekly basis, much less
17:44
Wrestlemania. Yeah. Yeah, it just
17:46
shows you how TV has.
17:49
Come forward. Jason Taylor is asking,
17:52
was this the only mania with
17:54
a tag match as the main
17:56
event? No. We had Sammy Zane
17:58
and Kevin. against the Uso's and
18:00
last year we had the rock
18:02
and Roman against Cody and Seth.
18:05
So I know you're gonna say
18:07
well that's not one but those
18:09
are your tag matches and there's
18:11
Howard Finkel. Yeah I know we've
18:13
said it before but I really
18:15
really wish you guys had one
18:17
of those for dynamite tonight. Yeah
18:20
from the ceiling that'd be so
18:22
cool. That'd be tremendous it really
18:24
would. There is a rumor out
18:26
there. I don't know if it's
18:28
rumor probably Bruce would could could
18:30
have told you better than me
18:33
that. Howard Finkel was the one
18:35
that coined the term WrestleMania. Yes,
18:37
originally it was going to be
18:39
colossal tussle. Well, WrestleMania works a
18:41
little bit better. Howard's no longer
18:43
with us. Means, no longer with
18:46
us. My God. Do you think?
18:48
You know, there's some discussion recently
18:50
about Iron Mountain. and the fact
18:52
that the government kept so many
18:54
records there and we know that
18:56
WEE used to keep some of
18:59
their tapes there. Do you think
19:01
Howard Finkel's legendary porn collection is
19:03
in Iron Mountain? Don't know, don't
19:05
know, I'm gonna be very honest
19:07
with you, you know, I know
19:09
you talk a lot of crazy
19:12
shit and I go all shut
19:14
up. I don't know anything about
19:16
Howard Finkel's porn collection. Oh, well
19:18
ask JBL or Bruce Pritcher, or
19:20
Bruce Pritchert, or anyone else. My
19:22
man, Bryant, wants to know, Tony,
19:25
did you as a fan think
19:27
this was too much celebrity involvement
19:29
for a wrestling event? Of course,
19:31
you've been at the Real, I
19:33
mean, everybody calls this the the
19:35
Granddaddy of them all, but really
19:38
that's arcade. I want to remind
19:40
you all that the genius Dusty
19:42
Roads came up with Starcade, Thanksgiving,
19:44
this is the end of March
19:46
85. So, you know, 18 months
19:48
prior to this was Starcade. From
19:51
your perspective, did you feel like
19:53
there was too much celebrity involved
19:55
in this or just the right
19:57
amount? I thought it was just
19:59
the right amount. I thought it
20:01
made it a bigger, the idea
20:04
was make it... a bigger than
20:06
life event and to do that
20:08
you would probably have to get
20:10
it celebrities involved during this time
20:12
uh... even uh... even after this
20:14
my god there is my this
20:17
one breaks my heart because there
20:19
was no better man in wrestling
20:21
the lord alpertays and but what
20:23
i was i was going to
20:25
say is that We attempted so
20:27
many times to get the rub
20:30
from celebrities in W.C.W. and couldn't
20:32
get it until Hogan came aboard.
20:34
And so this was always a
20:36
great crossover. And I thought it
20:38
was just enough. What do you
20:40
think? You know, saying right here.
20:43
I just said, so tell me
20:45
what I want to know with
20:47
you, Tito Santana, where in the
20:49
hell did you get that hair?
20:51
Well, Mean Jean, I got it
20:53
from Dave Silva. I stayed in
20:56
Dave Silva's basement for... 24 days
20:58
in San Antonio, Texas. And when
21:00
I woke up, my hair was
21:02
like this. You know why? Dave
21:04
Silva was sitting on my head.
21:06
Ariba! And now here comes the
21:09
end. What the fuck is this?
21:11
Can you believe this is the
21:13
first match in wrestling? I mean,
21:15
my God, what do you think
21:17
he's saying? I know everybody says
21:19
it's enormous bigger than most. Well
21:22
I was there too. Absolutely. Let's
21:24
go back to the ring. Do
21:26
you know who that was in
21:28
real life? I it looks. I
21:30
recognize the face kind of but
21:32
I can't. Who was it? My
21:35
boy buddy Rose. Hey boy buddy
21:37
Rose. The executioner and Tito Santana
21:39
kicking off Wrestlemania. Huh? Look at
21:41
that, look at that face. These
21:43
are parts unknown. You know, here's
21:45
what's crazy too. It's interesting that
21:48
I... I think so many people
21:50
don't even, we all know, Tita
21:52
Santana became a real staple with
21:54
the WWF and a big part
21:56
of what they were doing for
21:58
a long time. I mean, even
22:01
to this day, it's safe, so
22:03
it was a very favorite wrestler.
22:05
Is it really? Oh, loves him
22:07
so much. To this day, he
22:09
has a Tido poster in his
22:11
home studio. But what I was
22:14
gonna say is, I believe this
22:16
is actually Playboy Buddy Rose's last
22:18
match in the WWF before he.
22:20
takes a hiatus. I mean, I
22:22
know he's going to come back
22:24
in 1990. Yeah, but I think
22:27
this is it. Can you imagine
22:29
like you're in the opening match
22:31
on WrestleMania and that's it? You
22:33
finished up? No more WWF? It
22:35
feels like to me you do
22:37
whatever it took to stay the
22:39
hell put right there in the
22:42
WWF after this. Yeah, but you
22:44
just never know. I mean, so
22:46
many crazy things happen backstage have
22:48
what they can do and. I
22:50
can make more money doing this
22:52
or I can make more money
22:55
doing that and I'm not getting
22:57
the push I should get so
22:59
you just you never know exactly
23:01
what it is but again it
23:03
amazes me how dark it is
23:05
here right I mean no how
23:08
loose the ropes are I mean
23:10
you see them run the ropes
23:12
that they damn near hit the
23:14
floor yeah you know what the
23:16
WW was like them for a
23:18
while I don't I don't watch
23:21
them now are they still like
23:23
that with loose ropes no no
23:25
no they got skippity through to
23:27
us now That being said, Penta
23:29
on his first show on Netflix,
23:31
he did trip or mistime something
23:34
because he was so used to
23:36
working on cables in this first
23:38
match with ropes probably. So yeah,
23:40
there's probably a little difference there.
23:42
People are saying in the in
23:44
the group chat here, yeah, off
23:47
studio audience that playboy buddy rose
23:49
in this mass reminded them of
23:51
the camp from pulp fiction. Are
23:53
you in the loop on that?
23:55
Yeah, that's a good call. Absolutely.
23:57
That's dead, baby. Yeah,
24:00
that's that's a just a
24:02
I mean, let's did the
24:04
executioner have any airtime on
24:07
WWTV or they just put
24:09
the buddy rose in the
24:11
mask for the show and
24:13
say the executioner for the
24:15
opening. They needed somebody to
24:17
put Tito over. Mm-hmm. Yeah,
24:20
you know, I through the
24:22
week, I will cultivate some
24:24
silly shit. Yes, I do
24:26
send it to Dave. Is
24:28
our is our girl with
24:30
us this this week? Well,
24:33
I don't know what we
24:35
got. It's a schmorgetsborger surprises.
24:37
But I think we've got
24:39
something ready to play right
24:41
now. Let's hit it Dave.
24:43
I'm macaroni. Don't have sex
24:46
with me. Even though I
24:48
sound like sex when you
24:50
stir me doesn't mean you
24:52
can just me. I'm macaroni.
24:54
Gosh, take a girl out
24:56
to dinner first. Wait! I'm
24:59
dinner. Guess you're gonna have
25:01
to eat me! Eat me!
25:03
Eat me! But not like
25:05
that. Uh-uh. Don't even think
25:07
about it. Baby, this macaroni's
25:09
flying so low. Don't catch
25:12
feelings for the macaroni. Macaroni
25:14
gotta live its own life
25:16
for a while. Macaroni not.
25:18
Macaroni. Macaroni. Macaroni. Macaroni. Macaroni.
25:20
Macaroni. The scrape of the
25:22
barrel on the internet. We're
25:25
your go-to program. You didn't
25:27
find that entertaining? I found
25:29
it hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, but
25:31
it's, you scrape at the
25:33
bottom, you know, it's like,
25:35
you know, let's say, well,
25:38
yeah, where is Ashley, 80%
25:40
off girl? Do we have
25:42
something where her this week?
25:44
Well, the rumor and innuendo
25:46
is, she's back, let's just
25:48
blow our load right here
25:51
in the first 10 minutes
25:53
of Wrestlemania. Here we go.
25:55
Come on. I don't
25:57
know anything about ping pong and
26:00
my name is Ashley, but... 80%
26:02
off you can see my. 80%
26:04
off she's looking for a deal.
26:06
So if you're looking for a
26:09
deal just looking no further than
26:11
Ashley. So for you guys who
26:13
want to see that again we
26:16
will play it again because it
26:18
has become quite a fixture here
26:20
on what happened when we do
26:22
we try to find her to
26:25
do some things for us. What
26:27
do you want her to do
26:29
Tony? I don't know. Maybe she
26:32
could say you know I'm here
26:34
on what happened when if you.
26:36
Hang on hang on hang on
26:39
hang on. I did something like
26:41
this with Whitney right once and
26:43
I got heat from your whole
26:45
family. So I just cut all
26:48
that off. You didn't get heat
26:50
for me buddy. Well, and by
26:52
the way, I haven't heard or
26:55
seen from Whitney ever since the
26:57
comic book came out. Which part
26:59
of her are you looking for?
27:01
Well, just seeing how she's doing.
27:04
You know, she in my birthday,
27:06
remember she did a video for
27:08
me. Oh, fantastic. And I keep
27:11
up with a little bit. It
27:13
looks like she's doing pretty well.
27:15
Here for Whitney. You know, I
27:18
am curious. You think that girl
27:20
Ashley, I know that she doesn't
27:22
know much about ping pong. You
27:24
think she's gotten the experience with
27:27
ping pong balls? You never know.
27:29
Maybe she's playing beer pong or
27:31
something like that. That's what I
27:34
meant. Clearly. No, that's not what
27:36
you meant. But that's what I
27:38
said. And she looks kind of
27:40
young. I mean, like. Well, all
27:43
listen at my age, all girls
27:45
look young to me. Hey, Tido
27:47
won the first match. Reba. Did
27:50
you just roll that R? Let's
27:52
go to a one. Oh
27:54
wow, he did a whole long
27:57
potato impression. Did you hear that?
27:59
Yeah, he did it real breathy.
28:01
I know. No, Chris North. We're
28:04
not doing beer pong with Ashley
28:06
at Starcast. Why not? Man, you
28:08
know how hard it is to
28:10
get A.W. approval on things? You
28:13
think we got the ping pong
28:15
girl coming now? Wow. I will
28:17
say this though. Her doing those
28:20
promos for us could hit. I
28:22
just don't see all T.K. approving
28:24
that sort of marketing. Just to
28:27
guess. Why don't she
28:29
just do promos for what happened
28:31
when for us? Okay, God damn,
28:33
I'm on it. All right, so
28:36
King Kong Bundy and Special Delivery
28:38
Jones are going to be next.
28:40
You want to guess how long
28:43
this match could go, Tony? Three
28:45
minutes and 55 seconds maybe. Less.
28:48
One minute. Less. 30 seconds. Less.
28:50
One minute. Less. 30 seconds. Less.
28:52
30 seconds. Less. Ten seconds. Less.
28:55
It's not going to happen. Nine
28:57
seconds. Okay. promo last longer. I
28:59
want to go out here and
29:02
get my ass beat right here.
29:04
Madison Square Garden. And this bald
29:06
motherfucker, he's got to do more
29:09
work to me. I just go
29:11
out there, go up, go down.
29:13
One, two, three, four, five. King
29:16
Kong Bundy going to whoop my
29:18
ass. It won't take long. But
29:20
I'm going to get the pay
29:23
window, baby. S.D. Jones had no
29:25
idea where the camera was on
29:27
that promo. He was looking somewhere
29:30
else. Yeah, I mean, here's about
29:32
Big, Matt Dawkins, Mike Dawkins, looking
29:35
by the fucker. If I had
29:37
a little dollar frame from Hobby
29:39
Lobby, I could make a full-blown
29:42
gimmick out of this. And he
29:44
looked at this big motherfucker here.
29:46
I mean, do, are you telling
29:49
me that's not Dawkins? That is
29:51
Dawkins. If Dawkins was not actively
29:53
fighting, actively fighting his diabetes. Yeah.
29:56
He'd be King Kong Dawkins. That's
29:58
a combination of Paul Haven and
30:00
Mike Dawkins right there. What that
30:03
is? I gotta ask Dawkins. Oh,
30:05
if he could just take a
30:07
photo of a light bulb in
30:10
his mouth. I could have silver
30:12
photo shopping on. So this thing
30:14
is going to be what nine
30:17
seconds you say? Yep. So basically
30:19
you love making sessions. Yeah, back
30:21
Jones says, I like that he's
30:24
still wearing the Rolex. Yeah, and
30:26
one of those pre-tapes there, he's
30:29
he's sporting the Rolex. I got
30:31
to say though, you know, when
30:33
you think about iconic. Big years
30:36
from this era of wrestling. King
30:38
Kong Bundy, he feels like a
30:40
prototype. The over-the-top wrestling that made
30:43
the 1980s fun. I think he
30:45
was even, I might have this
30:47
wrong, but it feels like he's
30:50
the type of wrestler who would
30:52
make a special guest appearance on
30:54
the Vicky Lawrence show Mama's family.
30:57
Like if you need a giant
30:59
wrestler to do some over-the-top airplane
31:01
spins and all that sort of
31:04
shit, then, oh, he's your guy.
31:06
Yeah. Did he ever run with
31:08
Hogan? Did they have a... He's
31:11
gonna main event Hogan next year
31:13
at WrestleMania. Okay, yeah, that's the
31:16
WrestleMania where they were in like
31:18
two or three different locations. Three
31:20
towns, that's right. Chicago, LA, and
31:23
New York, New York. And there
31:25
it is, the bear hug, the
31:27
squish in the corner, and another
31:30
big splash. Down goes SD and
31:32
another big splash. Refs already counted
31:34
one as soon as he fell.
31:37
There it is. It's over We're
31:39
two matches deep in WrestleMania Tony.
31:41
Wow How about that? Darren's daily
31:44
is with us and he says
31:46
this is for now and a
31:48
later match. They say Andre had
31:51
heat with other giants. Is that
31:53
true? And Andre hate Bundy or
31:55
stud more? Did you spend much
31:58
time with Andre, which of the
32:00
giants did he not like that
32:03
you knew? Do not know that
32:05
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32:07
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33:13
I guess I would have learned
33:15
more had I stayed around longer
33:18
in the WWE, you know, but
33:20
on my way to Georgia. I
33:22
would have loved to have seen
33:25
you. I mean I can just
33:27
imagine the fun times you would
33:29
have had with Andre. It feels
33:32
like you guys on camera. I
33:34
just would have been awesome. I
33:36
would have loved to got the
33:39
knowing but work with him. Dave
33:41
McClay has just joined us fresh
33:44
off of his latest postal run.
33:46
Dave we're coming to Boston. Are
33:48
you coming to the matches? You
33:51
will. Inquiring minds don't want to
33:53
know. Hey I've got something here
33:55
that I need to show you.
33:58
Are you ready for this? Yes
34:00
I'm ready. Go ahead. We got
34:02
something from Mr. Rogers. And some
34:05
people might even say you might
34:07
be the Mr. Rogers of wrestling
34:09
and well, let's take a look
34:12
at this. Okay, let's listen to
34:14
a little bit of this. So.
34:16
What do you think of Mr.
34:19
Rogers? What's the Bull's? Let me
34:21
say, hey, we was the Bull's.
34:23
Oh, well you missed that episode.
34:26
It was a good one. I
34:28
sure did. Yeah. What do you
34:31
think about the way they're doing
34:33
promos here where you're bringing in
34:35
maybe faces and heels kind of
34:38
right behind each other in a
34:40
single shot? I know. I know
34:42
it's efficient, but it sort of
34:45
implies that these guys who are
34:47
opponents, they're right there shoulder to
34:49
shoulder. Yeah, I know. It's very
34:52
weird. It's nothing that I've ever
34:54
seen done before or after. How
34:57
much shit do you think Ricky's
34:59
seen but was on right there?
35:02
I don't think Ricky. I'm not
35:04
so sure he was on shit.
35:06
You don't think Ricky did PEDs?
35:09
No, I mean, I can't. I
35:11
can't accuse anybody of doing PEDs.
35:14
Yeah, you got a lot? Well,
35:16
I got eyes. That doesn't mean
35:18
anything. You gonna be one of
35:21
these guys who says, well, Brock
35:23
Lesder never failed the drug passed.
35:25
No, I'm not going to say
35:28
that you can get a body.
35:30
Working hard. Okay. Cool. Yep. I
35:32
buy it. Totally makes sense to
35:35
me. Johnson never did shit either.
35:37
Okay. Yeah. I'm just saying I'm
35:39
not I'm not sitting I'm not
35:42
you're not you're not getting me
35:44
accusing anybody of using PDs. You're
35:46
not. It's it's it's it's unfair
35:49
to say that. By the way,
35:51
there's nothing wrong with nothing. I'm
35:54
not accusing people of shit. I
35:56
don't know about. I do podcast
35:58
with people who get testosterone on
36:01
a monthly basis. Well, good for
36:03
them. Yeah. a big deal. I
36:05
asked my doctor one time, I
36:08
said, do I need testosterone? He
36:10
went, don't think so. No, I
36:12
mean, you hadn't fought since nitro.
36:15
Yeah, boy. Uh, probably not wrong.
36:17
Did, uh, from when nitro went
36:19
off the air tonight, uh, that's
36:22
the real strict they should be
36:24
talking about tonight on dynamite. You've
36:26
only had cooter once since nitro.
36:29
Sure have. Now that I'm thinking
36:31
about it, it was after she
36:34
saw that Whitney or I had
36:36
made a video for you. You
36:38
know what? Coach Rosie, let's get
36:41
to work on Ashley. We got
36:43
to actually do its promos for
36:45
W.H.W. We're going to get Tony
36:48
some stank on his hang low.
36:50
Now I don't want. Dave McClay
36:52
wants to know Tony. What are
36:55
you ordering from Calhoun this week?
36:57
You got two nights in Boston.
36:59
And I haven't heard from our
37:02
good friend Andy from Calhoun's, but
37:04
I hope to hear from him.
37:06
I don't know. You know, I
37:09
really, I don't get much sleep
37:11
in my life. Only home. I
37:14
don't get much sleep at home
37:16
in my life. So I'm going
37:18
to take the time on, after
37:21
dynamite on Wednesday or tonight, as
37:23
this is, this podcast, or dropping,
37:25
and get some sleep and sleep
37:28
late. I'm just probably going to
37:30
go right from Fenway to the
37:32
hotel and then get a lot
37:35
of sleep. That's probably what I'm
37:37
doing. Sometimes when you can't sleep,
37:39
do you try to make knuckle
37:42
children just to see if that
37:44
helps? No. Wow, man, that's why
37:46
I go too. If I can't
37:49
sleep, I'm like, well, let me
37:51
see if I can cut hand
37:54
right fast. You know what I
37:56
did? I last night, I took
37:58
a couple of town and all
38:01
PMms. Oh, there you go. That's
38:03
over-the-counter drugs, mind you. And got
38:05
up a... 515 this morning and
38:08
then fell back to sleep and
38:10
just couldn't get back up and
38:12
it was like less American. It
38:15
was just broggy all day. But
38:17
anyway, can I recommend that you
38:19
try some over the counter gummies
38:22
that have CBN in it? Yeah,
38:24
I've seen those. And I recommend
38:26
it. There are some. There's
38:30
some gummies you can get
38:32
at certain locations, certain states
38:34
that help you sleep too.
38:36
But I don't know. I
38:38
just, I don't know. Chris
38:40
North points out the obvious
38:42
fact, and it is worth
38:44
repeating. We were not, I
38:46
was not trying to imply
38:48
that Ricky Steamboat was breaking
38:50
the law. In 1990, steroids
38:52
were legal, or were made
38:55
illegal. So in 1985, he's
38:57
totally cool to get whatever
38:59
he wants. Well, that's fine,
39:01
but I can't say. I
39:03
mean, it's wrong to look
39:05
at a guy to say,
39:07
oh, he's on something. He's
39:09
wrong. I didn't say he
39:11
was. I asked if you
39:13
thought he was, and you
39:15
said no. There you go.
39:17
Dave McLean says the hook,
39:20
it was some good gummy,
39:22
Tony. Dave, I've got a,
39:24
I've got a bag man
39:26
for gummies. A bag man.
39:28
Okay, you want to tell
39:30
us who that is? No,
39:32
I don't. Well, I don't
39:34
want to bless my cover.
39:36
I got you. Right. I
39:38
mean, so there was some
39:40
news this week that I
39:43
think you might find a
39:45
particular interest. And I don't
39:47
know why seeing Matt Moore
39:49
and Russell makes me think
39:51
of this, but it does.
39:53
Let's go ahead and take
39:55
a look at this headline
39:57
here. Man arrested in Bib
39:59
County on charges of sex
40:01
with chicken, dog. Chicken common
40:03
dog. Chicken common dog. Yeah.
40:05
The 24. four-year-old man was
40:08
arrested Thursday and taken to
40:10
the Bib County Jail on
40:12
charges of beastiality, according to
40:14
court documents, braided majors is
40:16
accused of having sexual intercourse
40:18
with a chicken and a
40:20
dog on or about December
40:22
1st, 2024. Okay. Lots of
40:24
back here. Go back to
40:26
that last. There's another thing
40:28
to read. He's charged two
40:30
counts of bestiality, which is
40:33
a class day misdemeanor in
40:35
Alabama. Miss demeanor. Punish your
40:37
ball by after one year
40:39
in jail or five of
40:41
six grand has made the
40:43
decision not to publish his
40:45
mugshot because of the crimes
40:47
classification as a misdemeanor. What?
40:49
Yeah, so they didn't show
40:51
his his photo, but they
40:53
damn sure said his name.
40:55
And I don't know why,
40:58
but it made me laugh
41:00
that they said that this
41:02
happened on or about December
41:04
1st. Who's title? And I
41:06
mean, we're in fucking April
41:08
and it's just now, were
41:10
they late following a police
41:12
report? Did the other chickens
41:14
have to get some, was
41:16
this like Lassie for B.C.ality?
41:18
What's that girl? There's a,
41:21
what? And at the conclusion
41:23
of the match here, we're
41:25
going to pass forward Tony
41:27
to 5723. So if you're
41:29
watching along with us on
41:31
Peacock, if you're watching on
41:33
Peacock, go to 5723. That's
41:35
57 minutes and 23 seconds
41:37
inside Peacock, telling you that
41:39
Tony, because we sent you
41:41
a link. So if you're
41:43
watching your download link, you
41:46
don't have to do that.
41:48
57, no. I went to
41:50
Peacock. 5723. We will
41:52
wait for you to get to
41:54
5723 and as we're waiting Conrad,
41:57
what would you like to talk
41:59
about? Well, I know that we've
42:01
got a big of mine coming
42:03
up tonight, but what everybody's talking
42:06
about is last week's dynamite. We
42:08
saw as you're waiting to get
42:10
to 5723, we saw the return
42:12
of the young bucks to dynamite.
42:15
And Kenny Omega came out and
42:17
then here came Okata. A lot
42:19
of people are getting pretty fired
42:21
up about the potential of another
42:24
Okata Omega match. Of course, nothing's
42:26
been official, but there's lots of
42:28
hope that we may see that
42:30
match later this year. It feels
42:33
like the stars are aligning for
42:35
a big summer for AW right
42:37
now, Tony. Yeah, it should be
42:39
a big summer. Just load it
42:42
with talent when you think about
42:44
Omega and the young bucks coming
42:46
back and Okata with us and
42:49
Will Osprey with us and John
42:51
Moxley and Claudio and Adam Copeland
42:53
and Christian's going to be back
42:55
pretty soon. So it's... It's
42:58
really going to be a great summer
43:00
for us, I think. Really excited about
43:02
it. We've got some great town. Unfortunately,
43:04
Pac was injured. We talked about that
43:06
on Saturday, and he's going to be
43:08
out for a while. Jay White's injured.
43:10
He's going to be out for a
43:12
while. So Orange Cassidy's injured. We haven't
43:14
seen him in quite a while. I
43:16
don't know when he's going to be
43:18
coming back. We got the injuries, but
43:20
we still got the talent in place
43:22
to make for a great summer. Tony
43:26
you want to tell everybody
43:29
what you're looking at a
43:31
5723 there. Yeah, looking at
43:33
it looks like the an
43:35
open of it looks like
43:38
the ring and looks like
43:40
they're getting ready to fly
43:42
in the Russell Manio Madison
43:44
Square Garden graphic and three
43:46
two one play and so
43:49
here we are and there
43:51
is a well rope himself.
43:57
Man what a what a moment
43:59
here at russlemania as you see
44:01
our tag team match headed to
44:04
the ring right in front of
44:06
lord alford haze here comes the
44:08
iron cheek and nickel i've all
44:10
call Freddy Blassie is their manager
44:13
they're gonna be taking on the
44:15
US Express and they come in
44:17
as the tag team champions of
44:19
course we know him better is
44:21
Barry Wyndham and microtundo how crazy
44:24
is it to think as we
44:26
go back to a pre-taped interview
44:28
That is kind of while we
44:30
just saw them walk past them
44:33
on the way to the ring
44:35
and then we go back to
44:37
the locker room but this is
44:39
what you know production looked like
44:41
in 1985. Yeah and you know
44:44
there are there are two types
44:46
of interviews there interviews that we've
44:48
seen with the W logo the
44:50
W F logo that have been
44:52
pretaped previously and then these are
44:55
the ones that are backstage in
44:57
Madison Square Garden right now. Well
44:59
I don't think yeah I mean.
45:01
I don't know where the other
45:04
interviews were done to your point,
45:06
but they were in front of
45:08
a logo. That was the locker
45:10
room though. And do you have
45:12
a preference? Do you like the
45:15
locker room look as far as
45:17
a pre-game interview set or do
45:19
you prefer the logo? I like
45:21
the locker room look for pre-game.
45:24
Elbano. Smokes. stories never met him
45:26
it was like he and Dave
45:28
Silva would get along fine i
45:30
think Dave Silva could pull off
45:32
captain Lou albano for Halloween i
45:35
think he could too when's the
45:37
last time he had a Halloween
45:39
party Halloween Halloween this past year
45:41
there's a Halloween you have a
45:44
Halloween party yes sir I mean
45:46
I like to party, what do
45:48
you mean? Our lives are so
45:50
much different, so many, we just,
45:52
we hand out candy and go
45:55
to bed. Nobody comes to my
45:57
house for candy, you know, I
45:59
know you've never been to the
46:01
house, but I'm like. Yeah, you're
46:04
out the way out. I got
46:06
a quarter mile long driveway. I'm
46:08
on five acres, so like nobody's
46:10
making their way all the way
46:12
up. I'm tucked away. Which is
46:15
cool from a privacy standpoint, but
46:17
you won't get any trick-or-treaters. But
46:19
it does mean if you want
46:21
to, you know, pull your cuck-out
46:23
on the back porch, you can.
46:26
Somebody's going to see it. Except
46:28
some ease. Yeah, and they don't
46:30
think it's food or anything, so
46:32
they don't go after it. It's,
46:35
yeah. What do you think of
46:37
the presentation of these quote, quote,
46:39
quote, quote, four in heels? I
46:41
mean, Nikolai Volkov singing the Russian
46:43
national anthem. It's such a simple
46:46
thing. But man, how effective was
46:48
this in 1985? You know what?
46:50
Well, we're in the Cold War,
46:52
right? Yes. So there you go.
46:55
Look at it. They threw something
46:57
to Nikolai. Are
46:59
guys dressed up in tuxes? I
47:02
was talking about this with Lois
47:04
today. I think I've brought this
47:06
up here. What is it about
47:08
the 80s? That I love so
47:11
much. Back when you, yeah, that
47:13
is a great question. You know,
47:15
I don't know why you love
47:17
it so much about that, about
47:20
that era, because most people are
47:22
nostalgic about the decade that they
47:24
grew up in. Right and I
47:26
already grown ass man with kids.
47:29
Well, we started having kids in
47:31
82, but I graduated from from
47:33
high school in 76. So I
47:36
grew up in the 70s basically
47:38
and Graduated from college in 1980
47:40
got married 81 started having kids
47:42
in 82 when I talked about
47:45
how wonderful the 80s were Lois
47:47
will say well I was having
47:49
kids in the entire 80s I
47:51
think it was the fact that
47:54
I would. from college 80 and
47:56
I had my career ahead of
47:58
me right I mean I had
48:00
I was doing baseball and I
48:03
started doing wrestling and I just
48:05
it was just an exciting time
48:07
and we've also had some our
48:09
our listeners here say that the
48:12
best movies the best music I
48:14
just I just don't know I
48:16
just love the 80s and when
48:18
I think about the 80s being
48:21
40 years ago, good God, where
48:23
has time gone? And, but the
48:25
80s to me were the best
48:27
time. They were the absolute best,
48:30
best, it was the absolute best
48:32
decade of them all, and just
48:34
went by so fast. And then
48:37
90s moved to Georgia in 1990
48:39
here and in Europe since. And
48:41
that's my life, and that's my
48:43
life, and that's my life, and
48:46
that's my life, and that's my
48:48
life, and that's my life, and
48:50
that's my life, and that's my
48:52
life, and Isn't it interesting to
48:55
take a look and think about
48:57
how much different wrestling is going
48:59
to look shortly? You know, Nikolai
49:01
Volkov and the Iron Sheek are
49:04
shortly going to start phasing out.
49:06
I mean, they still got a
49:08
few years here. But really, I
49:10
think I would argue that Mike
49:13
Pretunda was about to enjoy his
49:15
biggest success on his next run
49:17
here in the WW. He's going
49:19
to wind up working for Jim
49:22
Crockett promotions. But ultimately, I think
49:24
he probably had his most iconic
49:26
run as IRS, Erwin R. Shister.
49:29
Right. And he's going to have
49:31
tag matches at Russell Mania against
49:33
Holkogan, instead of against the Iron
49:35
Sheek. And February the following year,
49:38
around Valentine's Day, actually, yeah, on
49:40
February 14th, 1986 Battle of the
49:42
Bells, too, is when Barry Windham
49:44
is going to challenge the nature
49:47
boy, Rick Blair, for the world
49:49
title. And Dave Meltzer would say
49:51
it's the best hour of television
49:53
he'd ever seen in American wrestling.
49:56
So people were talking about. very
49:58
Wyndham, you know, in the next
50:00
calendar year as if he might
50:02
be the absolute best wrestler in
50:05
the world. Here he is in
50:07
a tag match with respectfully the
50:09
Iron Sheek and Nikola Volkov. There's
50:11
so much talent and so much
50:14
opportunity in front of these guys.
50:16
And I know for the Iron
50:18
Sheek, I mean, at this point,
50:21
he's on the downhill slope, but
50:23
that is not the case for
50:25
his opponents here. Yeah, the, as
50:27
a matter of fact, if I'm
50:30
correct, if I'm correct. The very
50:32
first ever Saturday night's main event
50:34
and the first match had windom
50:36
and return to end it, right?
50:39
Yeah, that's great. That's a great
50:41
little trivia question. I think they
50:43
did. Do you want to guess
50:45
how old the iron chic is
50:48
in this match here? Uh, it
50:50
would be like 45. He had
50:52
just turned 43. Wow. Isn't that
50:54
interesting? Funny guy, man. Absolutely funny
50:57
guy. Absolutely funny guy. I'm
50:59
just saying, I think we all think
51:01
of him as like on the downhill
51:04
slope at this point. I mean, I
51:06
just say that, right. I think next
51:08
week, John Senna will turn 48. He's
51:11
five years older than the iron cheek.
51:13
Yeah, I was even, wow. How about
51:15
that? We'll just age differently now. Yeah,
51:18
they do. Well, it did. It's a
51:20
different era. There are so many things
51:22
that you can do. So many health
51:25
regiments that you can go through now,
51:27
so many workout programs. that you can
51:29
go through to look younger feel younger
51:32
and stay younger and then you go
51:34
out and get hit by a car
51:36
and it's all over with without looking
51:39
I would have assumed that Nikola Volkov
51:41
is actually older than the Iron Sheek
51:43
he's only 38 here wow I know
51:46
everybody online makes fun of it but
51:48
it's just wild for me to think
51:50
that Nikola Volkov here is actually younger
51:53
than Cody Rhodes is now. Oh like
51:55
smokes. Hey, speaking of crazy. We're talking
51:57
about, you know, how much better things
52:00
were in the 80s. Well, did you
52:02
ever have a pen pal in the
52:04
80s? Did you ever have a friend
52:06
that was strictly or in the mailbox
52:09
friend? I know these days, you know,
52:11
like when I was coming up, people
52:13
had like chatroom friends and I guess
52:16
the generation after me, they had like
52:18
gaming friends, they put the headsets on
52:20
and they make friends and have long
52:23
conversations with people. Right. in far corners
52:25
of the world. And now, because of
52:27
things like this podcast, I mean, look
52:30
at how many of our friends are
52:32
in the group chat tonight. But way
52:34
back when, the pen pal thing, that's
52:37
something I heard about. And I remember
52:39
seeing people talk about on like Pewe
52:41
Herman's Playhouse and things, but I never
52:44
had a pen pal. You didn't either?
52:46
No, not at all. Well, I don't
52:48
know if you know this. But one
52:51
of your coworkers, he was looking for
52:53
pen pals once. Let's take a look.
52:56
Old Peter Sinertia. Yes. Enjoys bowling.
52:59
Bruno San Martino is his favorite.
53:01
He likes the good guys. And
53:03
he's looking for pen pals. And
53:05
when I saw that photo, I
53:07
mean, and nine years old. I'm
53:09
not putting a black towel on
53:11
my head, but I also thought,
53:13
was his girlfriend Winnie Cooper? Because
53:15
Fred Savage as a kid and
53:17
Taz as a kid. That's like
53:20
doppelganger shit right there my god
53:22
My God Brother Winnie Cooper was
53:24
a smoke show That's something else
53:26
man. I mean it looks just
53:28
like him to me. Oh God
53:30
brother Okay, just for everybody who's
53:32
watching here? Who is watching? And
53:34
for everybody who has joined us
53:36
with comments, this was brought up
53:38
by Conrad Thompson, not by. me.
53:40
Wait a minute. I didn't write
53:43
in to a to a dirt
53:45
sheet to 411 fuck sheet illustrated.
53:47
Yeah, in the 80s. No, in
53:49
my picture. Okay, but you're the
53:51
one that had this picture of
53:53
of has put up there. Dave
53:55
Silver posted his home address, which
53:57
is one of the three dash
53:59
27 Woodhaven Boulevard. Ozone Park, New
54:01
York. He doesn't live there now.
54:03
I don't think you don't know
54:06
that. Just send the mail there
54:08
and see what happened. I had
54:10
nothing to do with this at
54:12
all. Yeah, dear brother. I like
54:14
the color orange. Yeah, I'm I'm
54:16
not I'm not going to see
54:18
you guys don't have to deal
54:20
with him every week. I do.
54:22
Okay. Oh. You know, can you
54:24
imagine for a minute? Let's let's
54:26
do a picture back up there.
54:29
No, let's not. I'm gonna bust
54:31
you up so bad. I'm gonna
54:33
do you on your fucking head.
54:35
Can you imagine that's this guy?
54:37
How awesome is that? That is
54:39
awesome. Oh God, you're really talking
54:41
to here, aren't you? Yeah. What's
54:43
the deal? We're going to get
54:45
in trouble for that? No. No,
54:47
I don't know. Well, listen, if
54:49
we're going to do it, let's
54:52
just throw it back up there
54:54
with friends. Just fucking. I'm in
54:56
trouble now. You telling me they're
54:58
not related? They don't go out
55:00
of the reunions together? Those kids
55:02
didn't play rock paper, scissors together,
55:04
come on. Jesus Christ. Spreads of
55:06
it. Yeah. See, you can do
55:08
this and you go, ha ha
55:10
ha ha, and then you don't
55:13
see him. That's correct. Yeah. But
55:15
I do, I do see him.
55:17
Oh. Hey, speaking of seeing, I
55:19
don't know that told you this,
55:21
but my wife's gone to bed
55:23
now, so I can tell this
55:25
story. Last week. I think it
55:27
was Monday. I think it was
55:29
Monday. Yeah, or maybe was it
55:31
Monday night? I think it was
55:33
Monday. night. Okay. And you couldn't
55:36
record. So I wound up seven
55:38
some free time. I was not
55:40
doing well. Yep. I was making
55:42
was going to go to bad.
55:44
I was going to go put
55:46
my my fancy dancy turtle beach
55:48
headset on and beat up Macoon
55:50
and NBA 2K, which is a
55:52
favorite best time of mine. He's
55:54
terrible. I beat him every time.
55:56
Okay. Okay. And my wife lets
55:59
the dogs out the front door.
56:01
We have the bells on the
56:03
front door still alert when they
56:05
need to go take a one
56:07
or two. So I hear the
56:09
bells and then I hear her
56:11
say Conrad. And I say, yeah.
56:13
She says, hey, there's a bird
56:15
in the house. I said, okay.
56:17
And she's like, well, what are
56:19
we going to do? I said,
56:22
nothing. Just go to bed. Shut
56:24
the door. Shut the door. She's
56:26
like, what do you mean? Said,
56:28
shut the door to the bedroom.
56:30
Go to bed. Don't worry about
56:32
it. And she's like, it's upstairs.
56:34
Yeah, it's fine. Go to bed.
56:36
Well, what are we going to
56:38
do about it? Just go to
56:40
bed. I'll take care of it.
56:42
There's nothing to do. You don't
56:45
do anything. No, we got to
56:47
do something. I just saw a
56:49
title change. Iron Sheek and Nikola
56:51
Volkov for the new tag jams.
56:53
Wow, right in the middle of
56:55
bird talk. She says, well, if
56:57
you don't want to deal with
56:59
it, deal with it, I will,
57:01
or something like that. Something like
57:03
that. Something like that. Something like
57:06
that. And I yell, I said,
57:08
Megan, you don't have any tools
57:10
or anything. She goes, what do
57:12
you mean? I go, well, you
57:14
don't have like a fucking net.
57:16
Not that you would even use
57:18
that. That's not how you get
57:20
a bird out of your house.
57:22
And so she goes, well, I'm
57:24
going to get him out. I
57:26
can't go to bed with a
57:29
bird in the house. And I'm
57:31
like, what? I said, you and
57:33
the girls go to the bedroom,
57:35
shut the bedroom, shut the door.
57:37
It's fine. My lovely bride has
57:39
more degrees in the thermostat, owns
57:41
multiple businesses, multiple rental products, an
57:43
accomplished individual, smart human beings. Yeah.
57:45
And I hear, as I'm about
57:47
to put my headset on. It's
57:49
amazing all that, and Rick Lares
57:52
are dad. Well, go ahead. Here,
57:54
birdie bird. Are you serious? And
57:56
I start laughing. And I go
57:58
out there and get to the
58:00
bottom of the stairs. And I
58:02
said, Megan, come downstairs and go
58:04
to bed. Shut the fucking door.
58:06
I'll take care of it. And
58:08
she's like, the bird. And I'm
58:10
like, I don't care. I'll take
58:12
care. And so she's like, well,
58:15
what are we supposed to do?
58:17
I said, honey, here's what we're
58:19
going to do. You're going to
58:21
go to bed. You're going to
58:23
shut the door. I'm going to
58:25
open the doors up as wide
58:27
as they go. And the bird
58:29
will fly out. She's like, well,
58:31
we need to stay in here
58:33
until he does. And I go,
58:35
the bird is staying here until
58:38
he does. And I'll turn the
58:40
lights off and open the doors
58:42
and open the bird will fly
58:44
out. I'm trying to sleep. She
58:46
goes to work at it like
58:48
four in the morning. So I'm
58:50
trying to sleep, but this god
58:52
damn bird's awake. And he's on
58:54
top of the chandelier in the
58:56
formal living room, 22 feet in
58:59
the air, walking his ass off.
59:01
And I realize it's because the
59:03
bird's nest is on the reef
59:05
in my front door. He's built
59:07
a reef and so the she,
59:09
whatever the fuck. So the eggs
59:11
are in there and so that's
59:13
why it's making all the noise.
59:15
So I open both of the
59:17
doors. and turn off all the
59:19
lights and leave the room and
59:22
in 20 minutes the god damn
59:24
bird's gone and everybody looks happy
59:26
ever after. But my genius wife
59:28
is upstairs roaming around spare bedrooms.
59:30
I'm like, oh my God. Well,
59:32
you know, some people believe that
59:34
a bird in the house is
59:36
bad luck. Have you heard that
59:38
before? No. Yeah. I remember. I
59:40
was thinking when I was growing
59:42
up and the bird got in
59:45
our house and my mom, you
59:47
know, my mom, listen, my mom
59:49
was really old school, she was
59:51
born in. in 1916, she grew
59:53
up during the Depression, she had
59:55
a real tough life, and the
59:57
bird came in the house one
59:59
day, she said, oh my God,
1:00:01
I mean, she freaked out, so
1:00:03
we've got to get that bird
1:00:05
out of the house right now,
1:00:08
going, why? Because it's bad luck,
1:00:10
and we do not lead bad
1:00:12
luck on this family. And I
1:00:14
said, where did you get that
1:00:16
from? She said, it's common knowledge,
1:00:18
everybody knows that. So I didn't
1:00:20
know that when you were telling
1:00:22
the story that Megan thought it
1:00:24
was bad luck to and she
1:00:26
wanted to get the bird out
1:00:28
the house. Oh no, she's just
1:00:31
oh, oh, they're gonna hurt the
1:00:33
bird's gonna hurt the dogs or
1:00:35
the dog's gonna hurt the birds
1:00:37
and I'm like, they're both scared
1:00:39
of the other thing. We don't
1:00:41
have like a German shepherd. We
1:00:43
got a goddam teacup poodle that
1:00:45
you can fit in your hand.
1:00:47
Anyway, I just Google that. While
1:00:49
some cultures believe a bird flying
1:00:52
into the house is a sign
1:00:54
of bad luck or even death,
1:00:56
others view it as a sign
1:00:58
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You're meet Big John
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Stud? Never did, no. The idea
1:04:39
here is Andre the Giant,
1:04:41
believe it or not, has put
1:04:43
his career on the line. So
1:04:46
if he loses, he is no
1:04:48
longer a professional wrestler. But
1:04:50
if he wins, he wins $15,000.
1:04:53
Hmm. I heard that Big
1:04:55
John Stud was truly one
1:04:57
of the nicest guys ever in
1:04:59
wrestling. Everybody who's
1:05:02
ever worked with him. Except
1:05:04
maybe Andre the Giant. We're
1:05:07
having some conversation in
1:05:09
the group chat here. Darren Staley
1:05:11
says he's heard that a
1:05:13
bird flying in the window means
1:05:16
death in the house and his
1:05:18
grandma told him that. Yep. And
1:05:20
Jason Taylor says, did your grandma
1:05:23
have Florida ceiling windows? I have
1:05:25
a bird flying to my windows
1:05:27
at least once a year and
1:05:29
nobody in my family has died.
1:05:32
Actually, I've got like a bird
1:05:34
graveyard behind my house here on
1:05:36
the lake. I've had, I'm not kidding, in
1:05:38
the year I've been here, eight birds,
1:05:40
check out, just hauling ass right
1:05:42
into the glass. So you go out
1:05:44
there and you're like, oh, dogs, leave that
1:05:47
alone. I mean, I've never heard one
1:05:49
hit. I mean I guess I have but
1:05:51
when I go out there I don't
1:05:53
see it but there's been others that
1:05:55
I didn't hear hit and they go.
1:05:57
Coach Keith says I'd rather have a
1:05:59
bird. in the house than a bat. I
1:06:01
had one in the house last year and
1:06:03
it took a freaking hour to get it out
1:06:06
of the house. Tony would have raised it
1:06:08
and called it Alfred and given
1:06:10
it a special phone. Absolutely.
1:06:12
Signal. There's a day. There's a
1:06:14
say this says my grandma also used
1:06:16
to say when the sun is shining
1:06:18
and it's raining it means the devil
1:06:20
is beating his wife. I've heard that
1:06:22
one. Oh yeah my mom said that all
1:06:25
the time. I mean here's my thing on
1:06:27
that. If the devil can get married.
1:06:30
I got a lot of single friends
1:06:32
where it's like next time the sunshine
1:06:35
in this rain and I'm gonna be
1:06:37
like, hey bro, even the devil
1:06:39
has a wife. You need to up your
1:06:41
game. You gotta start closing. Okay, so
1:06:43
the idea of this match here is
1:06:45
to slam him or it's a match
1:06:48
and if he can also slam him,
1:06:50
he'll win the $15,000. If Andre
1:06:52
loses, he loses his career.
1:06:54
Seriously. And if Andre, well, it's
1:06:56
not a shoot match, buddy. I
1:06:59
know it's not a shoot match,
1:07:01
but I was asking you,
1:07:03
these are the stipulations for
1:07:05
this match? Yes, career versus
1:07:08
$15,000. It's a body slam
1:07:10
challenge. So you're trying to
1:07:12
body slam the other fellow.
1:07:14
Okay. And if Andrei body
1:07:16
slams Big John Stud, he
1:07:19
gets $15,000 in a Big John
1:07:21
stud, body slam, kind
1:07:23
of. It's an Andre
1:07:25
the Giant match. It ain't gonna
1:07:28
be very good, but at least
1:07:30
it'll be less than six
1:07:32
minutes. Yeah. Coach Rosie has
1:07:34
a question. He says, after
1:07:36
that $400,000 tag match, Kevin
1:07:38
Knight said he was going
1:07:40
to Magic City, would you go
1:07:43
with him? Yeah, I'd go to Magic
1:07:45
City again. What's your
1:07:47
favorite experience at
1:07:49
Magic Castle? I was thinking
1:07:51
Magic Castle. Magic City
1:07:54
is a different thing. Apparently
1:07:56
so. I don't know what Magic City
1:07:59
is. Really? I don't.
1:08:01
I know what Magic Castle
1:08:04
is, because I've been
1:08:06
there, but you've got
1:08:08
to know somebody to
1:08:10
get in it. In the
1:08:13
Magic Castle. Okay. Well, I
1:08:15
know somebody who can get
1:08:17
you into Magic Castle,
1:08:20
but you've been there.
1:08:22
Yes. Magic City is
1:08:24
right down the road for
1:08:26
me, Tony. Okay. You
1:08:28
just need to hit an ATM. Oh,
1:08:31
it's a strip club, I bet. Well,
1:08:33
that's real trashy phrasing. Well,
1:08:35
yeah, there you go. It's
1:08:37
a gentleman's club. It's a
1:08:39
gentleman's club. It's a gentleman's
1:08:41
club, right. And I know you love their
1:08:44
sandwiches. Does DJ turn up work
1:08:46
at that one? No. Okay. Jim and
1:08:48
Buffalo says, we built the
1:08:50
Sunroom Edition on the house
1:08:52
a few years ago. Now we
1:08:55
get birds flying into the glass
1:08:57
pretty regularly. I'd be careful because
1:08:59
if one of them fly in,
1:09:02
Tony said your whole family's
1:09:04
gonna die. Saying to know
1:09:07
that now. Hey, you know what?
1:09:09
I'm telling you right now, you
1:09:11
say a bear hug is not
1:09:13
worth a damn, but a bondry,
1:09:15
the giant's got you into
1:09:18
freaking bear hug. That's
1:09:20
gonna have to hurt. Yeah,
1:09:22
you know what? Put it right
1:09:25
next to the cabin, right?
1:09:27
you know the big forearms like
1:09:29
pop eye and these big biceps
1:09:31
like I've got and can go
1:09:33
and pull up you think this is
1:09:36
entertaining what we're watching right
1:09:38
now on the back of the ribs
1:09:40
I think it's got it really
1:09:42
hurt I want you to encourage
1:09:44
John Moxley to do a bare
1:09:47
hug spot and just hold it
1:09:49
through a commercial break this
1:09:51
Wednesday okay if you can if
1:09:53
you can sell that the internet
1:09:55
will just rejoice The internet
1:09:58
will rejoice. Oh man, because these...
1:10:00
bring in everybody loves nostalgia Tony
1:10:02
and I mean if you say
1:10:04
that's an Andre the giant bear
1:10:06
hung we'll be back after these
1:10:08
messages. Folks were back and if
1:10:10
you hung on through that Reese's
1:10:13
commercial you're doing better than also.
1:10:15
So it's Adam is with us and
1:10:17
he says Tony did you ever
1:10:19
give Conrad your Rick Blair penis
1:10:21
trophy? He can give it to Megan.
1:10:23
I don't know why. He wants you to
1:10:25
give me a penis trophy. Well, that's
1:10:28
Adam DeMois because he has, I don't
1:10:30
even know why we've acknowledged anything
1:10:32
that he says on here. But I'm going
1:10:34
to tell you what I did with the Rick,
1:10:37
Rick Blair penis trophy. Okay. You
1:10:39
know the story behind this, right? I
1:10:41
mean, I need you to tell everybody
1:10:43
listening. Okay, the story behind this
1:10:45
was we were going to have the Rick
1:10:47
Blair roast, right? And Rick Blair didn't show
1:10:49
up for it. So I was going to,
1:10:52
I was going to, make up
1:10:54
some sort of store and give
1:10:56
it to him. And when he
1:10:58
didn't show up, I was so pissed
1:11:00
off, he didn't show up that I
1:11:02
threw it away. Either perfectly
1:11:05
good penis or do it? Put
1:11:07
in the trash can. Wow. Yeah.
1:11:09
So anyway, that's Adam De
1:11:11
Boy. And let's not acknowledge
1:11:13
him again on this show. Why
1:11:16
would, real question, why would
1:11:18
anyone suggest, hey man, did you
1:11:20
give that penis trophy? to
1:11:23
his daughter like if we had a
1:11:25
mold of your hog and I
1:11:27
realize it wouldn't take up much
1:11:29
space but let's just pretend we
1:11:32
had an exact copy made I
1:11:34
think the last person I would think
1:11:36
we should give it to would be Lori
1:11:39
right to me it's like she
1:11:41
doesn't need that yeah yeah no I just
1:11:43
some people run out of things
1:11:45
to say and obviously Adam did
1:11:47
before all of us Come
1:11:50
on body slam him here body slam him.
1:11:53
Let's there it is that son of a
1:11:55
bitch went down Andre the giant has won
1:11:57
There's the bell and now he wants the
1:11:59
money You're way
1:12:02
ahead of me. Okay,
1:12:04
there we go He
1:12:06
wants the money
1:12:09
and Bobby Heenin's
1:12:12
got the bag of
1:12:14
money How small that
1:12:17
bag looks not
1:12:19
not? Andre go
1:12:21
take it is he
1:12:24
could throw it out
1:12:26
to the fans. Yes, he is
1:12:28
And I mean this with all
1:12:30
due respect. Yeah, in bag Jones, you've
1:12:33
never seen a good Andre the giant
1:12:35
match in the WWF because they didn't
1:12:37
exist. It wasn't about the match was
1:12:39
about the spectacle of Andre the
1:12:41
giant. We all know that. I'm not arguing that,
1:12:43
but I guess my question is, why
1:12:45
can't we treat Sodem Singh the same way?
1:12:47
I don't have an answer for that. We should
1:12:50
do. I mean, he's bigger. Sodem Singh is
1:12:52
bigger than Andre the Andre the giant.
1:12:54
Right. So let's. So let's just do
1:12:56
that. Let's just do that. Let's just
1:12:58
do that for him. Chris
1:13:00
North says that Tony ever
1:13:03
get that left bicep ink
1:13:05
before or after his trip
1:13:08
declares. So your tattoo. It's
1:13:10
a tattoo of my dog bug.
1:13:12
It was the tattoo was put
1:13:15
on here before he died.
1:13:17
And then after he passed
1:13:19
away, Conrad came up with
1:13:21
an idea of this. Which is
1:13:23
my hand reaching out the bugs
1:13:26
going up to Paul going
1:13:28
up to heaven. That's
1:13:30
actually Bug's actual
1:13:33
paw print. And then
1:13:36
the artist came and
1:13:38
put 2010 to 2024
1:13:40
on here. Can you show
1:13:43
us your lowest tattoo?
1:13:45
Yeah, I don't have a
1:13:48
lowest tattoo. So I'm
1:13:50
thinking about getting
1:13:52
another tattoo. Well,
1:13:54
really, why? What? What?
1:13:56
For? Oh, Kirby. Oh, Chris,
1:13:59
yes. jealous. I'm thinking
1:14:01
about getting a Batman tattoo
1:14:03
here, but I'm also thinking
1:14:06
about getting like all the other
1:14:08
dogs, you know, because I got
1:14:10
five dogs here, maybe getting
1:14:12
them put on the on the
1:14:14
calf muscle here. I got a I got
1:14:17
a damn good-looking calf
1:14:19
muscle, or an old man. Well,
1:14:21
can we see that? No. Why not?
1:14:23
Because I'm not going to stand
1:14:26
on my fucking head for
1:14:28
this podcast. Okay. Just
1:14:30
trying to make
1:14:32
conversation. Are you familiar
1:14:35
with, with Tupac's thug
1:14:38
life tattoo? No. Well, he
1:14:40
had a tattoo on his
1:14:42
stomach. Okay. That said,
1:14:44
thug life. And I'll get
1:14:47
Dave Silva to pull it
1:14:49
up here. But I think
1:14:51
you should get one, like
1:14:54
a Tupac-inspired tattoo.
1:14:57
Yeah, but instead of it saying
1:14:59
thug life, I know you don't
1:15:01
have any bugs, so you can't
1:15:03
say bug life, but you could
1:15:06
certainly say dog life. Yeah, and
1:15:08
I think you could get that
1:15:10
on your stomach. That would,
1:15:12
that would, I think that, uh, the
1:15:14
wooly just kissed, uh, Lord
1:15:16
Alfred. I, uh, I think that,
1:15:19
uh, no, I don't think I would
1:15:21
want a tattoo on my stomach.
1:15:23
I think that would hurt. The
1:15:25
tattoo on your arms are
1:15:27
annoying when you get a tattoo,
1:15:29
but they don't really hurt.
1:15:31
I think the stomach would
1:15:34
hurt. Hey, they're coming
1:15:36
up with it in the group chat.
1:15:38
Instead of thug life, you
1:15:41
should get the tattoo over
1:15:43
your stomach that says bug
1:15:45
life. That was the shirt
1:15:47
we sold, remember? Yes. We
1:15:49
raised money for angels among
1:15:52
us at rescue. And I got
1:15:54
a bunch of shirts say Bug
1:15:56
Life, so. I mean, I think that
1:15:59
would work. Now I'm not get
1:16:01
a tattoo on my belly. What
1:16:03
about your taint? No. By
1:16:05
the way, Laylani, Kai, and
1:16:08
Lois, has anybody ever seen
1:16:10
them in the same place
1:16:12
at the same time? Not at
1:16:15
all. By the way, Laylani,
1:16:17
Kai, from the right angle
1:16:19
in this era, 95, I feel
1:16:21
like she can be like Rebels
1:16:23
Ant. You know what? That's
1:16:26
a hell of a call. It's
1:16:28
like Rebels. Just in
1:16:30
family. Yeah, yeah. Tony, are you
1:16:32
saying that you won't even consider
1:16:34
this as a bug life
1:16:37
tattoo? I will not. I mean, I
1:16:39
think that would work. Well, I don't
1:16:41
have a six pack like that.
1:16:43
Well, okay. Here's what we'll do.
1:16:46
We're gonna sell a shirt that's
1:16:48
got it down there. Bug life.
1:16:50
No, but I'm looking forward to
1:16:53
seeing this match because I want
1:16:55
to see Wendy Richter and...
1:16:57
You know, one of the
1:16:59
things about the 80s
1:17:02
was, was Hulk
1:17:04
Hogan, wrestling, the
1:17:06
cartoon, right? Oh
1:17:08
hell, yeah, man. Yeah,
1:17:11
remember that? Absolutely.
1:17:14
And Wendy Richter
1:17:16
was part of
1:17:18
it. Who else? Was,
1:17:21
Junkyard Dog was a
1:17:23
part of that cartoon?
1:17:26
Wow. This is our co-main event.
1:17:28
This is the women's championship,
1:17:31
and this will be the last match
1:17:33
before Holcogan's match. So the rest
1:17:35
of this time, a lot of
1:17:37
time allocated for the main event,
1:17:39
some of the popular circumstance.
1:17:42
We had on Cindy
1:17:44
Lauper. Can you believe she's
1:17:46
not already in the WDB Hall of
1:17:48
Fame? Oh, my God. If the celebrity
1:17:50
wings, shouldn't she have been
1:17:52
one of the first ones
1:17:54
in? As I understand it, she's been invited
1:17:56
and has just had one do it.
1:17:58
Ask on the opportunity. Well, you know,
1:18:01
one of her great songs was
1:18:03
Goonies are good enough, right?
1:18:05
And for the Goonies
1:18:07
movie, and if you've seen
1:18:10
the music video, it has
1:18:12
a lot of wrestlers in
1:18:14
it. It's all wrestling based.
1:18:16
And even girls just
1:18:18
want to have fun. I
1:18:20
believe that they even have
1:18:23
wrestlers in it as well. That's
1:18:25
right. So she certainly did
1:18:27
use the wrestlers. And she's,
1:18:30
you know, hey, the Goodies, one
1:18:32
of the great 80 movies, 80s
1:18:34
movies. And I think it was
1:18:36
like 85 when it went out.
1:18:39
What's your Mount Rushmore of
1:18:41
1980s movies, Tony? Breakfast
1:18:44
Club. Oh, let's see. Pretty
1:18:46
in pink. Oh my God. Which was
1:18:48
such a bad movie, but so
1:18:50
well done. Alabama, good call
1:18:53
Dave McClay. Let's see who
1:18:55
else. What else would be in
1:18:57
the 80s movies. Back to the
1:18:59
future. Back to the future
1:19:01
is the correct answer I was
1:19:03
looking. Okay. Let's see. 16
1:19:06
Candles is another good one.
1:19:08
Oh, these are all Hughes movies.
1:19:11
Yeah. Well, that was, I mean,
1:19:13
wasn't that it? Wasn't the
1:19:15
Hughes movies? Was that the
1:19:17
80s? Right. I'm not arguing
1:19:20
it wasn't successful. Chris
1:19:22
North says I love
1:19:24
Molly Ringwald. I certainly
1:19:26
did. She was great. Let's
1:19:29
see what else in the 80s was an
1:19:31
80s movies predator That's
1:19:33
from Adam DeMoy you finally
1:19:35
came up with a good comment
1:19:37
And what about some Indiana
1:19:40
Jones shit? Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters.
1:19:43
I can see that yeah past times
1:19:45
a Richmond high. There's another
1:19:47
good one. Good call coach Keith
1:19:49
Rebecca's pretty 80s. Yeah, but
1:19:51
yeah, oh none's pretty 80s
1:19:54
W CW's all that for me
1:19:56
Batman, yeah, the original Batman was
1:19:58
1989 for that Batman. Yeah. Yold
1:20:00
the dreams. Yeah. Yold the dreams.
1:20:02
See, the best movies, the best
1:20:04
music. By far. For me. Yeah, but
1:20:07
there's something about Breakfast
1:20:09
Club that I just really, really
1:20:11
like. I don't know what it
1:20:14
was. Ferris Bueller's day off. Yeah.
1:20:16
Risky business. Dave McClays
1:20:18
at Howard the Duck. Good job,
1:20:20
Dave McClay. I don't know anybody else
1:20:22
would say that. But garden space.
1:20:24
There was, there were some
1:20:26
entertaining things die hard. Some entertaining
1:20:29
things about Howard the Duck.
1:20:31
I don't think so. I think it
1:20:33
was all that Leah, whatever her
1:20:36
name is, Leah Thompson. Yeah.
1:20:38
Yeah. Batman. Yeah. With Spaceballs, the
1:20:40
80s movies. I think it may have
1:20:43
been. Yeah. It was. Yeah. Hey Coach
1:20:45
Rosie wants to know, with all
1:20:47
your appearances on the Turner
1:20:50
networks, do you think you
1:20:52
have more appearances than Brave's
1:20:54
Legend Skip Kerry? Yeah, he's
1:20:56
probably got the most right.
1:20:59
Yeah There's daily wants to
1:21:01
know has Tony ever ate tuna
1:21:03
in his macaroni you ever had
1:21:05
some tuna helper like that? I
1:21:07
think they call it. No, no No, and
1:21:09
that's not my jam. I like
1:21:12
tuna salad. I love tennis salad,
1:21:14
but he did up tuna to me
1:21:16
was like blah. What about tuna
1:21:18
steaks? You're out of tuna
1:21:20
steaks. Oh, yeah, pretty cool on
1:21:22
that. Yeah, I like that seared
1:21:24
tuna steaks. the best. Darren Staley
1:21:27
wants to know if you'll play
1:21:29
F Mary Kill with Mr. Rogers,
1:21:31
Captain Kangaroo and Big Bird. No,
1:21:33
I won't. Well, I will. I'd kill
1:21:36
Captain Kangaroo. Uh-huh. I'd marry
1:21:38
Mr. Rogers. And you'd have
1:21:40
sex with Big Bird. I mean,
1:21:42
we already read a story about a
1:21:44
guy in Alabama banging out chickens.
1:21:46
So, I'm just saying, if, like, you
1:21:48
know, when you're with your guys
1:21:51
and you're at the bar and
1:21:53
everybody opens I remember I had
1:21:55
this girl back in college. Everybody does
1:21:57
that every now and again, stupid guy
1:21:59
talk. shouldn't or
1:22:01
whatever. But no, the word
1:22:03
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1:22:06
got some more good
1:22:08
movies, Rambo First Blood.
1:22:10
That's another great movie.
1:22:12
That made, that was big
1:22:15
time, good movie. Red Dawn
1:22:17
Dirty Dancing. And Dave
1:22:19
McClay wants to know
1:22:21
best bad movie. I think
1:22:24
that would be masters of
1:22:26
the universe, don't you?
1:22:28
Man, I wanted to love that as a kid,
1:22:30
but it was not that great of a movie.
1:22:32
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two ladies are working pretty hard
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here. I mean for 1985? Yes. You know,
1:25:13
we would eventually see women's wrestling
1:25:15
in W. That was arguably not
1:25:18
even as good as this. Right. And
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they're doing it right here. I
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mean, La Lonique, I was a
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talented and ring performer. I think
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everybody agrees Wendy Richter left way
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too soon. She could have been a
1:25:30
much bigger star. I guess the idea is
1:25:32
she didn't feel like she was being paid
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fairly, especially when she sees what
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guys like Kogan were making. And I
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get that. I don't know that she
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was necessarily a big box office,
1:25:43
but certainly she stood up for
1:25:45
what she believed in. I guess as a
1:25:47
result her career was cut short but
1:25:50
in an alternate universe and
1:25:52
Wendy Richter was ahead of
1:25:54
her time was she not? Oh she
1:25:56
was great she looked great and
1:25:58
this match here Bula got
1:26:01
involved. It was really cool the
1:26:03
way she got involved and now the
1:26:05
fans are standing up as as Langlani Kai
1:26:07
goes off with the cross body.
1:26:09
Good shit. Look at this. Rose are over
1:26:11
one, two and three are gonna beat her.
1:26:14
How about that? Sadly, her WWF
1:26:16
career is gonna end just a
1:26:18
few months after this. They're going
1:26:20
to double cross her. The fabulous
1:26:22
mula is gonna get under her
1:26:24
hood. Call herself the spider lady.
1:26:26
We've all heard about the Montreal
1:26:29
screen job. Well, here was one
1:26:31
in Madison Square Garden, right
1:26:33
around Thanksgiving. It was November
1:26:35
25th, 1985. Okay, that lady
1:26:38
crawling around with the sequence
1:26:40
jacket, she's the lady doing
1:26:42
Vince's bidding. And that's it
1:26:44
for her in the WWF. She'd pop up
1:26:46
a little bit here and there in Ohio,
1:26:49
and then later do some work with
1:26:51
the AWA. But kind of bring it to
1:26:53
a close in 1989. She takes all of
1:26:55
1990 off. Pops up for a few
1:26:57
little spot shows here and there in
1:27:00
91 and 93 and 96. But I
1:27:02
guess her last match now was 20
1:27:04
years ago. It was George South Jr.
1:27:06
The Patriot and Wendy Richter
1:27:09
taking on Amy Love, D.C.
1:27:11
Drake, Gary Royal at the
1:27:13
Russell Reunion 2 in King of
1:27:15
Prussia, Pennsylvania. But in
1:27:18
an alternate universe man, she
1:27:20
would have been a much bigger
1:27:22
star in a household name. She
1:27:24
wasn't going to put up a
1:27:26
venses bullshit anymore. So tell
1:27:28
me about that. I'm unfamiliar. I
1:27:31
think we're all familiar with quote
1:27:33
unquote the Montreal screw job. Tell
1:27:35
us about the the Mueller screw job.
1:27:37
What happened there? Well, the one out
1:27:40
there and held her down in the
1:27:42
ref counted three. I took off her. That
1:27:44
was it. She went to the back
1:27:46
got her bag left building and never
1:27:48
spoke to anybody there again. So she
1:27:51
didn't know she was going to do
1:27:53
the job. The job was
1:27:55
done for wow.
1:27:57
How about that?
1:28:00
Spider Lady, which by the way
1:28:02
is Lois's nickname on the
1:28:04
Facebook groups. Would not surprise
1:28:06
me. Spider Lady. Spider
1:28:08
Lady. There's 35 minutes left
1:28:11
as we're seeing some replace here
1:28:13
at the ladies in slow
1:28:15
motion. They're gonna go 13 minutes
1:28:17
and 34 seconds in this
1:28:19
main event, but of course
1:28:21
we've got some pomp and
1:28:24
circumstance before we get there.
1:28:26
Right. This show was an afternoon
1:28:28
show. Right. Actually, you and
1:28:30
I have not talked about this at
1:28:32
all. But I've recently decided,
1:28:35
I think it would be awesome.
1:28:37
And I know I'm in the minority
1:28:39
here. I think AW should run
1:28:41
Saturday or Sunday afternoon paper views,
1:28:44
but run afternoon shows. What do
1:28:46
you make of that? Well, I
1:28:48
think we're going to have one
1:28:50
coming up, aren't we? Yes, to
1:28:52
be here. Every all in that AEW
1:28:54
has had has been in the afternoon.
1:28:56
Right. Now I know when you guys
1:28:58
were in London, certainly running Wembley, that
1:29:01
was an evening show there, but here
1:29:03
in America it aired on paper view
1:29:05
in the afternoon. And I really like the
1:29:07
idea of the shows not going until midnight
1:29:09
or staying up late when a lot
1:29:11
of people have school or work the
1:29:13
next day. It feels like it's easier for
1:29:15
moms and dads to get in and out
1:29:18
of the building and get people home. But
1:29:20
even just from staying up late at a
1:29:22
paper view. I think that makes
1:29:24
a lot of sense to me.
1:29:27
And I know that this show
1:29:29
we're watching here, this very first
1:29:31
WrestleMania, it was a Sunday afternoon,
1:29:34
like a lipstick on Cindy
1:29:37
Lauper's teeth. That's right.
1:29:39
Yeah, she's a goof. She's having
1:29:41
fun with it. Yeah, well girls
1:29:43
just want to have fun. Oh,
1:29:45
God damn. Thank you. Well, you know,
1:29:48
I'm Ford. I like afternoon shows.
1:29:50
I, you know, the NFL. on
1:29:52
Sundays have afternoons, right? They
1:29:54
do big numbers. Yeah, I mean, this show
1:29:56
right here, it's crazy to think. I
1:29:58
think most people... or just conditioned
1:30:01
to wrestle many a being an
1:30:03
evening thing. But I think they should
1:30:05
have started it like one in the
1:30:08
afternoon. Yeah, you're probably right. And
1:30:10
you know what Madison Square
1:30:12
Garden was also used to
1:30:14
running afternoon shows with the
1:30:16
W. W. E. Back then. Because
1:30:18
the worst first one that I worked
1:30:21
was one o'clock show in Madison
1:30:23
Square Garden. So they did afternoon
1:30:25
shows back then. So
1:30:29
now the pump and circumstance.
1:30:31
So now the. Billy Robinson.
1:30:33
Now listen, there's some Billy
1:30:36
Martin. Sorry, my bad. Tell
1:30:38
everybody about Billy Martin
1:30:40
and his baseball connection.
1:30:42
I know that some of our listeners
1:30:45
aren't really baseball guys.
1:30:47
legendary Yankees manager
1:30:50
was and played second base
1:30:52
for the Yankees for a long,
1:30:54
long time. He was. He was hired
1:30:56
and fired by George
1:30:58
Steinbrenner many many times and
1:31:01
Had some great runs with
1:31:03
the Yankees not only as a
1:31:05
player, but as a manager unfortunately
1:31:08
Died in a single car crash
1:31:10
on Christmas Day And while you
1:31:13
were up there 1989 89 and
1:31:15
it was Yeah, I mean that's part
1:31:17
of my fandom too because
1:31:19
I was a I was and then he
1:31:21
went and was the Oakland
1:31:23
age manager I believe in 1980
1:31:25
and yeah and led the age to
1:31:28
the playoffs as well he was
1:31:30
a he was a fiery manager
1:31:32
maybe people remember for the
1:31:34
time that he and Reggie
1:31:36
Jackson at Fenway Park got
1:31:38
into an argument after look
1:31:40
like Reggie didn't hustle after
1:31:42
a baseball and he didn't
1:31:44
take any bullshit so that's
1:31:46
why in New York City and I
1:31:49
believe they even had his funeral
1:31:51
in New York City. that Billy
1:31:54
Martin was brought in
1:31:56
as a special ring announcer
1:31:58
for this. to be that
1:32:00
guy, but I've always been under
1:32:03
the impression that Billy
1:32:05
Martin's death was a
1:32:07
result of alcohol alcohol.
1:32:09
I think that's what either they
1:32:12
it's either known or they assumed.
1:32:14
I don't know. We're assuming that
1:32:16
you know that that is Liberace
1:32:19
out there with the rockets. Uh-huh.
1:32:21
Now this is this is some
1:32:23
shit right here guys, and they're
1:32:25
gonna do a little dance,
1:32:28
right? Yeah
1:32:30
Liberace is going to be
1:32:32
the special guest timekeeper. Martin is
1:32:34
the special guest ring announcer. Right.
1:32:37
And the special guest ring
1:32:39
enforcer slash referee is Muhammad Ali.
1:32:41
Right. The actual referee will wind
1:32:43
up being Pat Patterson. Now, as
1:32:45
the stories told, this was
1:32:48
Mohammed Ali advertised to be the
1:32:50
referee in the main event, but when
1:32:52
they got there, they realized, oh,
1:32:54
he can't really do this. So we'll just
1:32:56
have Pat sort of help him out.
1:32:58
Okay, good. You know, we've
1:33:00
buried the lead here as
1:33:03
we're talking a little bit
1:33:05
before this main event gets
1:33:07
kicked off. You had a
1:33:10
pretty interesting weekend.
1:33:13
Okay, FTR nearly gave
1:33:15
you a pile driver on.
1:33:17
How about that? A spike pile
1:33:19
driver. Yeah. And Nigel
1:33:22
McGinnis. Here I come to
1:33:24
save the day. And gave me
1:33:26
shit too, buddy. Oh, do you
1:33:28
want to tell us all about
1:33:31
how terrible and what a
1:33:33
bunch of nothing happened
1:33:35
in SOB's FTR or? Well,
1:33:37
I, yeah, Dax and
1:33:39
Cash are self-absorbed pricks.
1:33:42
And they are worrying more
1:33:44
about themselves than they
1:33:46
are, their friends, people
1:33:48
that helped them. I like
1:33:51
to think that I helped
1:33:53
their career. calling
1:33:55
their matches and making them seem
1:33:57
bigger than life because they have
1:33:59
been. I really love the fact that
1:34:01
when they came into wrestling
1:34:03
to AEW they wanted to bring
1:34:05
tag team wrestling back to what
1:34:07
it was by holding the ropes,
1:34:10
right? Yeah. Tag team ropes and make
1:34:12
it great tag team wrestling and
1:34:14
I thought they did. And then I
1:34:16
went ahead and said, gave my
1:34:18
opinion on Wednesday and they
1:34:20
called me in the ring on Saturday and
1:34:23
I just said don't go into
1:34:25
the ring and you know what? Here's
1:34:27
my thought by going to the ring.
1:34:30
What is it going to
1:34:32
do for them as wrestlers
1:34:34
to beat up a 67
1:34:36
year old fat ass announcer?
1:34:39
Right? For crying out loud.
1:34:41
So I thought for sure
1:34:43
I was Not to a
1:34:45
phrasier there too. I thought for
1:34:47
sure that I was going to
1:34:49
be safe, but they decided
1:34:52
to You know try to do
1:34:54
the stuff pile driver on
1:34:56
me knowing that my back is
1:34:58
a neck is very weak and there's
1:35:01
for a moment they're thinking
1:35:03
well I'm I'm a dead man
1:35:05
but then again here comes
1:35:08
Nigel McGinnis who by the way
1:35:10
is not only a great announcer
1:35:12
he was I think most of
1:35:14
you know he was named announcer
1:35:16
the year I think by Melzer
1:35:18
but Melcher's followers
1:35:21
but he and I are also very
1:35:23
good friends so he took care
1:35:25
of me and I'll never be
1:35:27
able to refame enough
1:35:29
for them. There. And, you
1:35:32
know, who knows what's going
1:35:34
to happen? Who knows they're
1:35:36
going to try to attack
1:35:39
me, but I can tell you
1:35:41
this, they can both kiss my
1:35:43
ass. Well, I'll never, I'll
1:35:45
never, I'll never, I used
1:35:47
to text Dax and tell
1:35:50
him how great so much
1:35:52
good for. Western North Carolina
1:35:54
and the floods that happened.
1:35:56
Remember during the during the hurricanes
1:35:58
and to see two guys just Let their
1:36:00
egos control everything they do
1:36:02
just blows me away. Hey Tony, you
1:36:05
know, you know, it's, um, it's not too
1:36:07
late. Yeah, no, I'm typing a podcast
1:36:09
with Shalani, but we were just
1:36:11
freestyle in here. Yeah, we still do
1:36:13
it. Yeah, I know, I can't believe
1:36:15
he's still there either. He's quit like
1:36:17
six times in the last year. Keep
1:36:20
it over. Okay. What I was thinking
1:36:22
is, but this is actually a
1:36:24
suggestion from the group chat here
1:36:26
tonight with a live studio audience.
1:36:29
And the suggestion was, what if
1:36:31
we had Nigel team up with Tony
1:36:33
Shavani, much like whole Kogan,
1:36:35
teamed with Maine Geno for.
1:36:37
We can just recreate those
1:36:39
vignettes with Nigel training and
1:36:42
trying to get Tony in shape. He's
1:36:44
already told us he's got it
1:36:46
litheates, he's taking us to the
1:36:48
gun show. What if we put Nigel
1:36:51
and Shavani in the ring against FTR
1:36:53
at all in? I know it's the
1:36:55
first stadium show. And I think.
1:36:57
I think that's box office.
1:36:59
Oh, you hang up on you? Yeah, I
1:37:01
don't think you like that. Good.
1:37:03
That's a terrible, I mean,
1:37:06
that's a solid idea. That's a
1:37:08
shitty idea. Hey, so we got,
1:37:10
we got Piper coming to
1:37:12
the ring arrogantly with the
1:37:15
bagpipes and I mean, they brought
1:37:17
out a whole Scottish band. Look
1:37:19
at all the media surrounding
1:37:21
the ring, like they're all
1:37:23
leaning. on the apron and here comes
1:37:26
I the tiger and the place
1:37:28
is going bananas. And you can just
1:37:30
see from the reaction. They must
1:37:32
be playing this theme song. So to
1:37:34
remind you, though, there's Vince McMahon
1:37:37
in the background, give us a
1:37:39
time code here. Well, you're a
1:37:41
different time code, aren't you? I am
1:37:43
indeed, but I'm watching whole code and
1:37:45
come through the backstage areas. He's
1:37:47
walking through what I guess is known as
1:37:50
guerrilla. We're all you people who
1:37:52
are with us on peacock. I'm
1:37:54
at 15044 4546 Hogan and Mr.
1:37:57
T just turned their back
1:37:59
to the cameras. What an
1:38:01
incredible moment this is. You
1:38:03
could probably feel the electricity in
1:38:06
the air. All this anticipation. They've
1:38:08
done so much media. They
1:38:10
were just on Saturday Night Live the
1:38:12
night before. You know, they've been
1:38:14
on magazine covers. They've done
1:38:16
every sort of talk show and
1:38:19
television show and radio interview and
1:38:21
Vince McMahon has pledged it all.
1:38:23
He's borrowed from Peter to pay
1:38:25
Paul and taken out loans and
1:38:28
over leveraged himself. Where if this
1:38:30
is successful, the WWF is in
1:38:32
the stratosphere, and if they're
1:38:34
not, well, I don't know what the
1:38:36
top wrestling promotion in the world
1:38:38
looks like, but I know it
1:38:40
ain't the WWF, I suppose it's back
1:38:43
to the NWA. Right. But here's what
1:38:45
he did. He took his former
1:38:47
top drawing baby face, superflos
1:38:49
nooka, put him in the corner
1:38:52
with one of the top acts in
1:38:54
Hollywood. And I know that some people
1:38:56
forget what a big piece of...
1:38:59
Americana and pop culture Mr.
1:39:01
T was, but he was more than
1:39:03
just on a team. I mean, he was
1:39:05
the other side of Rocky Balboa
1:39:07
in Rocky 3. So it's a
1:39:09
big opportunity and they're teaming together
1:39:12
against Roddy Piper and
1:39:14
Mr. Wonderful and it's sort of
1:39:16
offset Jimmy Snooka. There's Bob
1:39:18
Orton Jr. The cast on his
1:39:20
arm in their corner, but she's
1:39:23
also got Madison Square
1:39:25
Garden. You know, this is
1:39:27
a building. It's not just
1:39:29
synonymous with major wrestling moments,
1:39:31
but major boxing moments. Yep.
1:39:34
Some of the biggest fights in
1:39:36
Muhammad Ali's career were right
1:39:38
here. The Yankees and the Rockettes
1:39:40
and I mean, there he
1:39:42
is Liberace, but goodness gracious,
1:39:45
Muhammad Ali and Holkogan.
1:39:47
That's about as big as it
1:39:49
gets from a pop culture standpoint
1:39:51
for 1985. Really interesting
1:39:54
to think about. If this wouldn't have
1:39:56
worked, what opportunity that represents
1:39:58
for Jim Crockett. promotions
1:40:00
because I know we've talked about it
1:40:02
a lot on this podcast in particular
1:40:05
but in a weird way this is
1:40:07
one of the greatest contributions that
1:40:09
the Crockett family ever
1:40:12
had for professional wrestling
1:40:14
because had they not bought back
1:40:16
the time slot from Vince McMahon
1:40:18
for a million dollars Vince may
1:40:20
have come up short for this thing now
1:40:22
of course Jim Crockett Jr didn't know
1:40:25
that at the time but in an
1:40:27
alternate universe what if he'd have
1:40:29
said no? But it still worked,
1:40:31
but they have still pulled the
1:40:33
money together, convince have pulled this
1:40:35
event off. But Jim went down to
1:40:38
his local bank, showed their business
1:40:40
history, got that million dollar loan,
1:40:42
secured the TBS time slot for
1:40:44
his own promotion, and sent that
1:40:47
million dollar check to Vince
1:40:49
McMahon, and this is what Vince spent
1:40:51
it on. Wow. All those close circuit
1:40:53
locations. And remember now,
1:40:55
he's basically... borrowing Dusty's
1:40:57
idea for the big event and
1:40:59
doing closed circuit and he's
1:41:02
doing it with a fellow in
1:41:04
the main event who was on
1:41:06
that Starcade show of course famously
1:41:08
Greg the Hammer Valentine had
1:41:10
a dog collar match against
1:41:12
Roddy Piper at that Starcade
1:41:15
both of those guys are on the
1:41:17
show yeah it's wild to think about
1:41:19
it's it's it's a great point and
1:41:21
when when you think about a crock
1:41:23
getting the money to get on
1:41:26
TBS that went in to helping
1:41:28
fund WrestleMania One
1:41:30
or WrestleMania at that time
1:41:32
and what has become since then.
1:41:34
There's another thing you got to
1:41:36
think about too and I think
1:41:38
wrestling promoters all often thought
1:41:40
about this and I know that was
1:41:43
something that we had thought about.
1:41:45
I don't know if it's the when I
1:41:47
say we I'm not necessarily saying
1:41:49
the Crockett family. Maybe when
1:41:51
you're in your talk with David.
1:41:54
in the book that he brings us
1:41:56
up. I think everybody thought that
1:41:58
Vince McMahon of the WW F had
1:42:00
an advantage of being in the New
1:42:02
York market because it was
1:42:04
the biggest media market in the world.
1:42:07
No doubt. And anything that you
1:42:09
did in New York would have been bigger
1:42:11
than anything you could have done
1:42:13
in Greensboro, North Carolina.
1:42:15
And I think that had a lot, I
1:42:17
don't know how much it had to do
1:42:19
with it, but I think that had something
1:42:21
to do with it being in New York
1:42:23
City. Because back in the day, you know, you
1:42:25
had... The Carolinas, Florida,
1:42:28
and they had the
1:42:30
territory that was called New
1:42:32
York. This was called the
1:42:34
New York Territory, the
1:42:37
WWL. So this was the big
1:42:39
time. And Vince McMahon
1:42:41
Jr. made it bigger than life
1:42:43
and looked decades later,
1:42:46
40 years later, what the
1:42:48
WWE has become. A global
1:42:50
phenomenon. If I can, I
1:42:52
don't know if that's the right term
1:42:54
or not, but a global powerhouse
1:42:57
in entertainment. And it
1:42:59
all started on this day, didn't
1:43:01
it? This is the day it started.
1:43:03
It's a great story. It really,
1:43:05
really is. If you're curious,
1:43:08
there are a handful of people who
1:43:10
were on both shows. We mentioned
1:43:12
Roddy Piper and Greg
1:43:15
Valentine. Ricky Steambo and Bob
1:43:17
Orton Jr. Round out the Fearsome
1:43:19
for some for some. You were on
1:43:22
the very first arcade and the very
1:43:24
first russlemania. And I've heard this story.
1:43:26
I don't know if this is true or
1:43:28
not. Of course, Mr. Orndorf is not with
1:43:31
us, so I can't confirm this. But the
1:43:33
story I've heard is Vince went to
1:43:35
everyone involved in this main event. Of
1:43:37
course, he had to guarantee Mr. T
1:43:40
as a celebrity, exactly what he
1:43:42
was going to make. But as the story
1:43:44
goes, he went to Holkogan, he
1:43:46
went to Paul Orndorf. He went to
1:43:48
Bob Wharton Jr. He went to Jimmy
1:43:50
Snooker and he went to Roddy Piper
1:43:53
and he said, guys, I laid it
1:43:55
all on the line here, mortgaged my
1:43:57
house and everything else to bed on
1:43:59
this. And I need this to work.
1:44:01
Got all these close circuit locations
1:44:04
that I've got the added
1:44:06
expenses for, the paper view
1:44:08
time, the satellite time, the
1:44:10
marketing expenses is just a
1:44:12
gigantic undertaking. I need you to
1:44:14
trust me and be my partner. And
1:44:16
when all those revenues come in, I'll
1:44:19
take care of you and it'll be
1:44:21
your biggest payday you've ever made
1:44:23
in wrestling. And everybody went
1:44:25
for that, except Paul Orendorf, who
1:44:27
said, nope, I'll just take my
1:44:30
fee. And as the story goes, he
1:44:32
got his payoff and it paled a comparison
1:44:35
to what everyone else got. But
1:44:37
he was old school. Right. And
1:44:39
guys like Dusty Roads, you know,
1:44:41
trained diamondals page and
1:44:43
glacier, even his son Dustin.
1:44:45
And we get our money up front.
1:44:47
We get paid before we do anything.
1:44:49
I get that in wrestling sometimes
1:44:51
you got a CY and that
1:44:54
is the best practice. But Ordorf
1:44:56
did that to Vince and I don't
1:44:58
know the number. for sure, but
1:45:00
the number I've been floated
1:45:02
was that he made somewhere
1:45:05
around $12,000 for the match,
1:45:07
which don't get me wrong. It's
1:45:09
a good payday. Good payday,
1:45:11
especially in 1985. Right. See what
1:45:13
that looks like in 2025 dollars.
1:45:15
Do you have a guess what
1:45:18
$12,500 in today's dollar might
1:45:20
look like? Uh, 57,000 dollars.
1:45:22
It's actually a solid guess,
1:45:24
but 37,000 bucks. Okay, that's
1:45:27
still pretty damn good. 13
1:45:29
minute match 37 grand not
1:45:31
a bad day right but I believe
1:45:33
everybody else in the match got
1:45:35
a hundred grand plus wow well there
1:45:37
you go 70,000 dollar mistake well
1:45:39
shit 80 eight thousand dollar we
1:45:41
get Jason Taylor to get our
1:45:44
numbers together for us one is it
1:45:46
was short side of the Mr. Orndor
1:45:48
but to his point nobody
1:45:50
could have predicted the juggernaut
1:45:53
in the success that this would
1:45:55
become. I mean at this point
1:45:57
you know I mean how many wrestling promoters have
1:45:59
we heard? I love Jason. But if
1:46:01
it was 12, 5, it's 87,
1:46:03
5, but whatever, we get
1:46:05
you. Okay. I do think
1:46:08
it's interesting though that, you know,
1:46:10
nobody knew what this was
1:46:12
going to become. And in
1:46:14
this era, you know, Vince
1:46:16
McMahon is just quote unquote
1:46:18
junior. I know he hated
1:46:21
that. Right. But you know, I mean,
1:46:23
a lot of people have big
1:46:25
idea. How many right? I
1:46:27
had a conversation from a
1:46:29
guy who's been chasing me
1:46:31
for months and months for
1:46:34
a phone call and I finally
1:46:36
called him after I finished
1:46:38
recording the book with David
1:46:40
Crockett on Saturday and he
1:46:42
couldn't wait to tell me
1:46:45
all about his new wrestling promotion
1:46:47
and all that he was going
1:46:49
to do and he has all
1:46:51
these grand ideas. Yeah. Okay, I even
1:46:54
put it on speaker at
1:46:56
one point and Megan just
1:46:58
like wow, like wow, then I muted
1:47:00
it and I said, hey, if he
1:47:02
says here, birdie, birdie, I'm
1:47:04
hanging up. I got the middle
1:47:07
finger and she carried on.
1:47:09
Oh, dude, here, birdie, birdie, a
1:47:11
big part of our relationship
1:47:13
from now. It should be.
1:47:15
It should be. When I, if I ever
1:47:17
see her again, it's the first thing
1:47:19
I will say to her. She will.
1:47:21
If I'm there, she will slap my
1:47:24
arm. And I'll be like, I didn't
1:47:26
tell him that on the show. I
1:47:28
told him that in private. And
1:47:31
then stupid asked Coach Rosie,
1:47:33
I'll come up and go, here,
1:47:35
Birdie, or God. So let me
1:47:37
ask you this, in the history
1:47:39
of Wrestle, Vince was banking
1:47:42
on this thing doing big
1:47:44
business for him. Did it do
1:47:46
exactly what he thought, or did
1:47:49
it do more than he thought?
1:47:51
Okay. It went
1:47:53
beyond expectations in other
1:47:55
words. It exceeded all
1:47:57
expectations for sure. Monotarily. And
1:48:00
it enabled him to, I guess, able
1:48:02
to him to build an incredible
1:48:04
production facility and take
1:48:07
his television program around the
1:48:09
nation, or was his television program
1:48:11
all around the nation by that
1:48:13
time? Had he broken away from the
1:48:15
territories by that time? He was
1:48:17
already, yeah, he was already running
1:48:20
TV in these different territories. At
1:48:22
this point, he's bought out Georgia
1:48:24
and he's buying time in other markets,
1:48:26
which is why. you've got guys
1:48:29
from all over the country on this
1:48:31
show. I mean, you know, specifically,
1:48:33
Roddy Piper and Buddy Rose
1:48:35
in the Pacific Northwest and
1:48:38
Paul Orndorf and others from
1:48:40
Florida. And, you know, Vern, once
1:48:42
upon a time famously had Bobby
1:48:45
Heenan and Maine Jean and whole
1:48:47
Kogan. Yeah. And the Carolinas
1:48:49
Ricky steamboat. Yes. Yeah. There
1:48:51
you go. And Greg Valentine.
1:48:53
They already had the LJN action figures
1:48:56
at this point. They came out in
1:48:58
84. But you know, listen, let's
1:49:00
just be real. I don't think in
1:49:02
the bit, people don't spend enough time
1:49:04
talking about what a big deal that
1:49:07
is. I mean, look at what a
1:49:09
big business wrestling action figures are
1:49:11
and have been, but they
1:49:13
didn't really exist until LJN
1:49:15
in 1984. Yeah. And I mean, I know
1:49:18
that, you know, like the AWA had
1:49:20
those rimco action figures and so
1:49:22
forth and so forth, but. They were all
1:49:24
sort of following the lead of Vince
1:49:26
McMahon. I think those Remcoast
1:49:28
came out in 85. So everybody
1:49:30
was sort of playing follow the leader
1:49:33
here. So, you know, this is another
1:49:35
gamble, this closed circuit and
1:49:37
and paper view concept, but
1:49:39
it's not really creation. This one
1:49:41
is borrowed from Dusty Roads. And
1:49:43
I think that was one of the
1:49:46
reasons. And I don't know when to pretend
1:49:48
to be sort of half-ass
1:49:50
psychologists with my friend. But I
1:49:52
think that's one of the reasons Cody was
1:49:54
so fired up once upon a time to
1:49:56
do something outside the tent of W.
1:49:59
W. E. Because. his dad created
1:50:01
the big show and closed
1:50:03
circuit and pay-per-view with Starcade.
1:50:06
But that's sort of, you know,
1:50:08
to the Victor Go The Spoils,
1:50:10
the NWA didn't win, WCA
1:50:12
didn't win, the WWF did. So
1:50:14
we're talking about Wrestlemania
1:50:17
like it was the first one. And
1:50:19
really, it was the second one.
1:50:22
Yeah. Well, you know, it's
1:50:24
interesting, you say NWA didn't win. We
1:50:26
talk about wrestling like it's a
1:50:28
war. And of course in
1:50:30
the business practices you do
1:50:33
compete against the other business, but
1:50:35
is it really a war? I mean, I
1:50:37
mean, yeah, Monday Night Wars, I
1:50:40
get it, there's been books, there's
1:50:42
been documentaries, there's been everything.
1:50:44
And of course, the victors
1:50:46
always write history. That's right.
1:50:48
But I just wonder, I've often
1:50:51
wonder this, and maybe I'm wrong, and
1:50:53
I've never even talked to Tony
1:50:55
Khan about this at all, but. Should
1:50:57
we approach our business like
1:51:00
it's a battlefield? Like it's a
1:51:02
war? Or should we just try to do
1:51:04
the best that we can do without?
1:51:06
I don't know. I just, there's something
1:51:08
about that bothers me. Maybe I'm
1:51:11
too nice of a guy to think everything's
1:51:13
a war. Well, I will be honest
1:51:15
with you. I think Tony Khan at
1:51:17
times does feel like he should
1:51:19
just focus on his business and
1:51:21
I know I'm going to get some
1:51:24
clapbacks about that because certainly
1:51:26
he's, you know, you know, talked about
1:51:28
things on air and things
1:51:31
like that. But as
1:51:33
a reminder, he announces
1:51:35
that his show is going
1:51:37
to be on Wednesday. And
1:51:40
then W.W.E. announces, oh, well,
1:51:42
ours will too. So X.D.
1:51:44
Okay, it just happens to
1:51:47
be on the same night.
1:51:49
Right. Even all in, A.W.'s
1:51:51
first stadium show. Right.
1:51:54
Yeah, no, you're right. You're
1:51:56
right. It's and and and I
1:51:58
know because I've been involved with
1:52:01
it with the Crockets for a
1:52:03
long, long time. So I know,
1:52:05
I know what's going on, but I
1:52:07
just don't know if that is,
1:52:09
if that's the Christian thing to
1:52:11
do. I don't know if that's
1:52:14
the way you should approach your
1:52:16
business. Are you there to try
1:52:18
to do the best that you can
1:52:20
be? Are you there to try to
1:52:22
cut the nuts off of your
1:52:24
opponent? I don't know. Well,
1:52:27
I mean, I have to ask this
1:52:29
question. I think it comes down to
1:52:31
goal alignment. Do you think that Tony
1:52:33
Khan opened A.W. as a spite store?
1:52:35
Do you think he opened A.W. directly
1:52:37
to mess with W.E.'s company brand
1:52:39
or he wanted he opened it
1:52:42
up because Tony Khan is one
1:52:44
of the biggest wrestling fans I've
1:52:46
ever met my life. That's right. So
1:52:48
that's my point. Yeah. I think, you
1:52:50
know, it really comes down to your
1:52:52
intent now. If you have a stronghold in
1:52:54
the industry like WEE does, it does
1:52:57
make sense that you would try to
1:52:59
eliminate all of your competition
1:53:01
and maybe block them from
1:53:03
getting national TV and maybe
1:53:05
hopefully they don't record it and
1:53:08
then use it against you and then
1:53:10
your longtime lawyer retire. I mean
1:53:12
think about that. As far as
1:53:14
I know, Jerry McDivid only lost twice
1:53:16
once to the panda and once
1:53:19
to court bower. Isn't that wild? It
1:53:21
is. Who would have thought the panda
1:53:23
and court bower? What a combo.
1:53:25
A panda and court bower. Yeah,
1:53:27
walk into a bar. When does
1:53:30
Jerry McDivet say, check please? Oh, we
1:53:32
got a lot of shit going on
1:53:34
here now. Here we go. So Bob
1:53:36
Orton Jr. is on the top
1:53:38
rope with the cast. Roddy Piper
1:53:40
was coming to take care of
1:53:43
Holt Kogan, Mr. T. Cut him
1:53:45
off. Down comes Orton, but
1:53:47
Hogan ducks. and Orton hits his
1:53:49
own man with the cast. Now
1:53:51
Jimmy Snooka is stopping it. And
1:53:53
that's it. Holkogan has won and
1:53:55
WrestleMania is officially over. It's
1:53:57
all done now except for...
1:54:00
Hogan must pose. Jimmy
1:54:02
Snooka, Muhammad
1:54:04
Ali, Pat Patterson,
1:54:06
Mr. T, and
1:54:08
Holkogan. And you say
1:54:11
Holkogan must pose. That
1:54:13
was a big deal back then.
1:54:15
No doubt. There was talk
1:54:18
that that's what people
1:54:20
came to see. Holkogan
1:54:22
pose. And the music
1:54:25
hits. I am a real
1:54:27
American. Good stuff, man.
1:54:29
Well, of course, these
1:54:31
days they weren't doing
1:54:33
real American. They
1:54:35
were doing eye of the tiger,
1:54:38
I believe, where like, okay,
1:54:40
well, of course, yeah. And
1:54:42
Hogan just came off, when
1:54:45
was Rocky, three, where
1:54:47
he played thunderlips,
1:54:49
he was right. Let's see
1:54:52
the exact year. Rocky
1:54:59
3 came out in 1982.
1:55:01
Okay, so three years
1:55:03
prior. That's right.
1:55:05
So yeah, WrestleMania
1:55:08
1 was indeed
1:55:10
I of the Tiger a
1:55:12
survivor and as we know
1:55:15
that was also a Rocky
1:55:17
theme. And of course,
1:55:19
Rocky 3 was Mr.
1:55:22
T. Clever Lang and
1:55:24
it was a good one.
1:55:28
Boys and girls, we've had a
1:55:30
lot of fun watching the original
1:55:32
WrestleMania from 40 years ago. Restlandia,
1:55:34
of course, is coming up
1:55:37
this weekend, Saturday and Sunday,
1:55:39
but who cares about all that?
1:55:41
Tonight, AEW is live at MGM at
1:55:43
Fenway, and it's going to be
1:55:45
a pretty historic night. It's a
1:55:47
celebration for AEW. They are now the
1:55:49
longest. episodic weekly
1:55:52
primetime television show on
1:55:54
in the wrestling genre
1:55:57
on Turner networks. If
1:56:00
Atlasted Nitro, and they're
1:56:02
going to celebrate tonight. And
1:56:05
tomorrow night, you can watch
1:56:07
Collision live. As a reminder,
1:56:09
Collision will not be
1:56:11
head to head with Renite
1:56:13
One of WrestleMania. Collision is
1:56:15
a special Thursday night. And
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before we get out of here, we
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