Episode 430: WrestleMania 1

Episode 430: WrestleMania 1

Released Wednesday, 16th April 2025
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With the voice of your childhood,

3:16

Tony Shavani. Tony, what's going on,

3:19

man? How are you? You've read Day

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Javu. Okay, why don't we start this

3:23

over again? Now listen, we're having a

3:25

lot of fun. A lot of this is

3:27

gonna wind up on the editing room

3:29

floor, but welcome to what happened

3:32

with Tony Shavani. We are going

3:34

to be watching a very special

3:36

edition of Wrestleandia today.

3:38

If we're talking WrestleMania One,

3:40

and this is going back 40 years,

3:43

March 31st, 1985, pretty fared up about

3:45

this one. Because this is, well, not

3:47

a WrestleMania that ages well, but it

3:49

is the granddaddy of them all. This

3:51

shows all about nostalgia. Why not do

3:54

some nostalgia together? Now we're gonna

3:56

be watching an abbreviated version

3:58

of WrestleMania. We'll be skipping

4:01

Beef Cake and San Martino Jr.

4:03

and JY.D. versus Greg Valentine. So

4:05

we're going to be watching a total

4:08

of one hour and 43 minutes

4:10

of old school rasling today. For

4:12

people who are watching along on

4:14

Peacock, we want you to join

4:16

us at season one episode one.

4:18

I think our first match today

4:20

is going to be Tito Santana

4:22

versus the executioner. Tony,

4:24

what's going on? Are you taking us

4:26

to the gun show? You want to do

4:29

that again? Oh,

4:31

yeah. No, I don't. Where are we

4:33

here? Oh. We're watching WrestleMania.

4:37

It's the very first one.

4:39

It's over on. Should we

4:41

say something about the

4:43

big dynamite coming up?

4:45

You know what? That's great.

4:48

I'm glad you mentioned

4:50

that because as folks

4:52

are listening to this.

4:54

There's about to be

4:56

a historic milestone. If

4:59

you're at A-W. Dynamo is going

5:01

to have one more episode than

5:03

Nitro as of this coming Wednesday.

5:05

So as you're listening to this,

5:07

it's later tonight. And it's in

5:10

a pretty bad-ass venue. One of the

5:12

more picturesque venues I think AEW has

5:14

ever ran. It's a part of Fenway

5:16

Park too. So if you're a

5:18

baseball fan, man, this is checking a

5:20

lot of boxes, isn't it? It's going

5:23

to be very cool. It's going to

5:25

be two nights of live TV live

5:27

on TBS on Wednesday. live on TV

5:29

and T on Thursday, of course,

5:31

streaming on Max on both nights,

5:33

a live collision on Thursday,

5:35

not on Saturday this week. So

5:38

it is pretty cool. And I

5:40

need to say something here and

5:42

most people are going to say, oh,

5:44

you're so cool. Yeah, I am. This has

5:46

been, it hasn't always been a

5:49

smooth road working with ADW. There's

5:51

been bumps. And I'm talking

5:53

about bumps that. You have not

5:55

seen bumps that have not been

5:57

reported by 401 flux sheet and all.

6:00

the other stooges that pretend

6:02

to be journalists. But it has,

6:04

it has had, the bumps, it really

6:06

has had. But when I think about

6:08

what this company has done

6:10

and what Tony Khan has done

6:13

for everybody who works backstage, he

6:15

gave us new life. He completely changed

6:17

our lives. Everybody who works

6:19

for him, he changed our lives.

6:22

I see people in the front office.

6:24

So that means a lot. And so

6:26

when he talks about this being

6:28

a special moment. He's talking about

6:31

it because he loves wrestling

6:33

on a nostalgia level

6:35

like we do. And so it's Tony

6:38

has done a lot for us.

6:40

So I'm going into this show

6:42

on Wednesday thinking about what

6:44

Tony has done for us

6:46

and some of the things he's

6:49

come up with that have

6:51

helped things out. You know, right

6:53

now, Tony Storm, timeless

6:55

Tony Storm is... probably the biggest

6:57

woman star that we have, well

6:59

not probably is the biggest woman

7:02

star we have, and that's because

7:04

it was a character that Tony Khan

7:06

developed. Tony Khan came up with

7:08

the idea, RJ City took the idea,

7:10

and of course wrote some scripts for

7:13

it and everything, but it was

7:15

Tony's idea, and he's come up with

7:17

some very good ideas for us over

7:19

the last six years. If you think

7:21

about stadium stampede, if you

7:23

think about the double cage

7:25

or went up on top of the

7:27

double cage. He's come up with some

7:30

very good ideas for us and it's

7:32

been us, our idea to implement

7:34

them, our charge to implement

7:36

them, which we have done the best

7:38

of our abilities. So, you know, I

7:40

really feel that this is going to

7:43

be a very special night for many,

7:45

many reasons. And I thank the

7:47

fans, the own heart tournament, thank

7:49

you Coach Rose, yet's another

7:51

thing that Tony Khan came up with.

7:54

So it's It's been a lot of fun

7:56

and this is going to be a very

7:58

very special night for us especially. When I

8:00

think back to nitro and I think

8:02

about how difficult things were at the

8:05

end, they were so difficult at the

8:07

end. And when I go back and I look

8:09

at some of the nitros, you

8:11

know, you mentioned that this,

8:13

this, Conrad, this Russellmania one,

8:15

probably doesn't age well for

8:17

the modern fans. I was mentioned,

8:20

I would mention to say the

8:22

very, very last two months of

8:24

W. C.W. hasn't aged very well

8:26

for the fans. So. But it's been it's

8:28

been a lot of fun being a being a part

8:30

of this and I look forward to seeing

8:32

what we got coming up for the next

8:34

couple of weeks. I for one did not

8:36

even consider what you just laid

8:38

out about the significance in regards

8:40

to Tony Khan's accomplishment

8:43

if you will because I know he had a

8:45

certain set of goals when he launched this thing.

8:47

I really get nostalgic about Tony

8:49

Khan's influence on the business around

8:51

the anniversary of dynamite. So I'm

8:53

usually thinking about that in October right.

8:56

Hey here in April. I mean, listen,

8:58

let's not deny that some

9:00

of the names and all that

9:02

wasn't loosely inspired by nitro. So

9:04

the little brother, I guess, getting

9:07

a little older, let's

9:09

celebrate it, but I don't

9:11

necessarily think that the online

9:13

conversation about nitro

9:15

versus dynamite is a productive

9:17

one. It's like, can we

9:20

not just appreciate AW for what

9:22

it is without making a... to

9:24

something else. Does that make sense? Sure,

9:26

it does. Absolutely does. But that's

9:28

what they want to do. So and

9:31

again, social media has changed the dynamic

9:33

of what we do. There wasn't social

9:35

media back in the nitro era like

9:38

it is now. And I don't think there

9:40

was social media back in the nitro

9:42

era. I was barely email back. Right.

9:44

Yeah, we just started an email.

9:46

You're right. So it's changed the

9:48

dynamic. What I've said before and I

9:50

like to say that is what that social

9:53

media has done is give idiots a

9:55

voice But it's also given voice to

9:57

some very very intelligent people

9:59

and So I kind of take

10:02

social media with the green assault

10:04

so the you know the The

10:06

discussion that you're talking about

10:08

Basically has no influence on

10:10

me, but what does have an

10:12

influence on me is what Tony

10:14

Khan has done for us No,

10:16

and again I go back to To

10:18

this timeless Tony storm thing was

10:21

an idea he had from from

10:23

watching a movie. He thought Tony

10:25

storm would play a great

10:27

character and listen as Tony storm

10:29

not Just on run, run, home

10:32

run, home run on full into this. So

10:34

as we go on to take a look at

10:36

Wrestle-Me-U-1, that may not air, that may

10:38

not go back and with the fans, they

10:40

may look at and go, yeah, just remember

10:43

that the modern air of wrestling,

10:45

Tony Khan has had a profound

10:47

influence on that, from what he's

10:49

put on TV. And obviously so

10:51

have the people in the W.E. I can't

10:54

deny that. But wrestling has changed

10:56

and has changed for the better and

10:58

has changed for the better. when dynamite

11:01

started back in October 2019.

11:03

Want to give a quick shout

11:05

out to a friend of the show,

11:07

part of the family, Coach Keith Morrison,

11:09

who says, what's up guys? I need

11:12

help and prayers for my ad-free

11:14

family, had to put my 14-year-old

11:16

dog down. It hurts like hell.

11:19

His dog's name was Nick. Coach

11:21

Keith continues. I'm hurting so

11:23

bad, I couldn't even go into

11:25

work tonight. I don't blame him.

11:27

Just considering what you went through, I'm

11:30

not all that long ago with Bug,

11:32

I know this one hits home for

11:34

you. Lois and I had a

11:36

moment about Bug today and she

11:38

started crying and hugged me and

11:40

we just stood there in the

11:42

kitchen because we, I don't know, we

11:44

just got talking about him and I

11:46

told her the story that the, I

11:49

don't want to make this about me

11:51

or Bug, because Keith we really appreciate

11:53

your friendship and support and

11:56

we're feeling for you. the clothes that

11:58

I had on when We had

12:00

to put a bug down, which

12:02

was in my lab, are still

12:04

hanging in the back of my

12:06

door a year later, and I

12:08

won't get him watched, and I

12:10

won't wear him again. But losing

12:12

a dog, the thing of it

12:14

is, George Carlett said on one

12:16

of his routines a long time

12:19

ago, because he was a dog

12:21

lover. He said, when you get

12:23

a dog, you know the deal.

12:25

You understand what could be in

12:27

the future, and more than likely

12:29

is in the future. And we

12:31

love our dogs and all of

12:33

our heart, like, like, you know

12:35

I've got two of them right

12:37

here. As you can see, and

12:39

there's a little dovy right there,

12:41

we love them with all of

12:43

our heart and give them everything,

12:45

but we know that they're in

12:47

our lives for only a short

12:49

period of time. I read somewhere

12:51

where someone that said that when

12:53

we leave this earth, we will

12:56

all of our belongings to our

12:58

children, our grandchildren, or donate them

13:00

or something, that is our will.

13:02

But when a dog leaves this

13:04

earth, he wills. the love that

13:06

you gave that dog to another

13:08

dog. So that's what I thought

13:10

I did. I thought the love

13:12

that I gave the bug, I

13:14

will to Davy here and to

13:16

Kirby here and rescue them from

13:18

a dog rescue. So you will

13:20

the love. So I know it's

13:22

gonna take some time, Coach Keith,

13:24

I know it is, but take

13:26

some time, rescue yourself another dog,

13:28

and you'll love this dog. Like,

13:30

again. to learn to love a

13:33

dog again. So we're thinking about

13:35

you, buddy. Oh, I love doing

13:37

this podcast with you. Thanks for

13:39

being our TV wrestling, dad. Yeah,

13:41

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unlocked and loaded ready to go

15:12

here for WrestleMania. Are you ready

15:14

on your end? I guess I

15:16

am. I guess what we're going

15:18

to do is start at double

15:21

zeros. I'm sorry. Five zeros and

15:23

we are going to play up

15:25

until a certain point. Yep. And

15:27

then we're going to stop and

15:30

we are going to fast forward

15:32

and go to another point. Yep.

15:34

Let's call in our great producer,

15:36

our crack producer, not a crack

15:39

head, but our crack producer, Dave

15:41

Silva. Dave, if you'll come aboard

15:43

here with us and instruct us

15:45

on what we have to do.

15:48

Ladies and gentlemen, from the great

15:50

state of Texas, Dave Silva. Dave.

15:52

Hey, Dave. Jump on your peacock

15:54

and start at the beginning. And

15:56

then Connor and we'll tell you

15:59

when to pause and fast forward.

16:01

and hit play again. Take it

16:03

away, Conrad. You mean not coming

16:05

all right to Conrad? That's right.

16:08

Take a look at this primitive

16:10

open. These 1985 graphics here, Twin

16:12

Towers first, brother. New York City.

16:14

We'll move it up at the

16:17

right corner here, bring in the

16:19

WWF logo. And it's time for

16:21

WrestleMania. That's right. Take a look

16:23

at this masked man. And take

16:26

a look at the East. Oh

16:28

my god, Matt Bourne, Ricky Steamboat.

16:30

San Martino Jr. and JY.D. and

16:32

Greg Valentine. Oh, they're going through

16:35

all the matches. I'm just real

16:37

out. These are the matches. And

16:39

I and chic, talking to the

16:41

Hulk Hogan. And the, uh, what

16:44

are they called, the All American

16:46

and American Express, something like that?

16:48

Andre and Big John Stud. Tintin,

16:52

tintin, t-t-tintin, t-t-tuh. There's Cindy

16:54

Loper right there with Wendy

16:56

Richter. Of course, Layline's her

16:58

opponent with Fabulous Mula in

17:00

her corner. There's your main

17:02

event, Holcogin and Mr. T.

17:04

Fresh off of the 18BA

17:06

Baracas. And there you go,

17:08

Mr. Wonderful. Roddy Piper. Of

17:10

course, your special guest referee

17:12

enforced her, Mohammed Ali. There's

17:14

Billy Robinson. I wonder if

17:16

there was any parking in

17:18

there. How about your man

17:20

Liberace? All the stars are

17:22

here for WrestleMania. Of course,

17:24

we know we're going to

17:26

see the rockets and a

17:28

whole lot more. But it's

17:30

interesting to think about how

17:32

much just the graphic presentation

17:34

and I mean, look at

17:36

the way this thing is

17:38

lived. Yeah, wrestling doesn't look

17:40

like this anymore, even on

17:42

a weekly basis, much less

17:44

Wrestlemania. Yeah. Yeah, it just

17:46

shows you how TV has.

17:49

Come forward. Jason Taylor is asking,

17:52

was this the only mania with

17:54

a tag match as the main

17:56

event? No. We had Sammy Zane

17:58

and Kevin. against the Uso's and

18:00

last year we had the rock

18:02

and Roman against Cody and Seth.

18:05

So I know you're gonna say

18:07

well that's not one but those

18:09

are your tag matches and there's

18:11

Howard Finkel. Yeah I know we've

18:13

said it before but I really

18:15

really wish you guys had one

18:17

of those for dynamite tonight. Yeah

18:20

from the ceiling that'd be so

18:22

cool. That'd be tremendous it really

18:24

would. There is a rumor out

18:26

there. I don't know if it's

18:28

rumor probably Bruce would could could

18:30

have told you better than me

18:33

that. Howard Finkel was the one

18:35

that coined the term WrestleMania. Yes,

18:37

originally it was going to be

18:39

colossal tussle. Well, WrestleMania works a

18:41

little bit better. Howard's no longer

18:43

with us. Means, no longer with

18:46

us. My God. Do you think?

18:48

You know, there's some discussion recently

18:50

about Iron Mountain. and the fact

18:52

that the government kept so many

18:54

records there and we know that

18:56

WEE used to keep some of

18:59

their tapes there. Do you think

19:01

Howard Finkel's legendary porn collection is

19:03

in Iron Mountain? Don't know, don't

19:05

know, I'm gonna be very honest

19:07

with you, you know, I know

19:09

you talk a lot of crazy

19:12

shit and I go all shut

19:14

up. I don't know anything about

19:16

Howard Finkel's porn collection. Oh, well

19:18

ask JBL or Bruce Pritcher, or

19:20

Bruce Pritchert, or anyone else. My

19:22

man, Bryant, wants to know, Tony,

19:25

did you as a fan think

19:27

this was too much celebrity involvement

19:29

for a wrestling event? Of course,

19:31

you've been at the Real, I

19:33

mean, everybody calls this the the

19:35

Granddaddy of them all, but really

19:38

that's arcade. I want to remind

19:40

you all that the genius Dusty

19:42

Roads came up with Starcade, Thanksgiving,

19:44

this is the end of March

19:46

85. So, you know, 18 months

19:48

prior to this was Starcade. From

19:51

your perspective, did you feel like

19:53

there was too much celebrity involved

19:55

in this or just the right

19:57

amount? I thought it was just

19:59

the right amount. I thought it

20:01

made it a bigger, the idea

20:04

was make it... a bigger than

20:06

life event and to do that

20:08

you would probably have to get

20:10

it celebrities involved during this time

20:12

uh... even uh... even after this

20:14

my god there is my this

20:17

one breaks my heart because there

20:19

was no better man in wrestling

20:21

the lord alpertays and but what

20:23

i was i was going to

20:25

say is that We attempted so

20:27

many times to get the rub

20:30

from celebrities in W.C.W. and couldn't

20:32

get it until Hogan came aboard.

20:34

And so this was always a

20:36

great crossover. And I thought it

20:38

was just enough. What do you

20:40

think? You know, saying right here.

20:43

I just said, so tell me

20:45

what I want to know with

20:47

you, Tito Santana, where in the

20:49

hell did you get that hair?

20:51

Well, Mean Jean, I got it

20:53

from Dave Silva. I stayed in

20:56

Dave Silva's basement for... 24 days

20:58

in San Antonio, Texas. And when

21:00

I woke up, my hair was

21:02

like this. You know why? Dave

21:04

Silva was sitting on my head.

21:06

Ariba! And now here comes the

21:09

end. What the fuck is this?

21:11

Can you believe this is the

21:13

first match in wrestling? I mean,

21:15

my God, what do you think

21:17

he's saying? I know everybody says

21:19

it's enormous bigger than most. Well

21:22

I was there too. Absolutely. Let's

21:24

go back to the ring. Do

21:26

you know who that was in

21:28

real life? I it looks. I

21:30

recognize the face kind of but

21:32

I can't. Who was it? My

21:35

boy buddy Rose. Hey boy buddy

21:37

Rose. The executioner and Tito Santana

21:39

kicking off Wrestlemania. Huh? Look at

21:41

that, look at that face. These

21:43

are parts unknown. You know, here's

21:45

what's crazy too. It's interesting that

21:48

I... I think so many people

21:50

don't even, we all know, Tita

21:52

Santana became a real staple with

21:54

the WWF and a big part

21:56

of what they were doing for

21:58

a long time. I mean, even

22:01

to this day, it's safe, so

22:03

it was a very favorite wrestler.

22:05

Is it really? Oh, loves him

22:07

so much. To this day, he

22:09

has a Tido poster in his

22:11

home studio. But what I was

22:14

gonna say is, I believe this

22:16

is actually Playboy Buddy Rose's last

22:18

match in the WWF before he.

22:20

takes a hiatus. I mean, I

22:22

know he's going to come back

22:24

in 1990. Yeah, but I think

22:27

this is it. Can you imagine

22:29

like you're in the opening match

22:31

on WrestleMania and that's it? You

22:33

finished up? No more WWF? It

22:35

feels like to me you do

22:37

whatever it took to stay the

22:39

hell put right there in the

22:42

WWF after this. Yeah, but you

22:44

just never know. I mean, so

22:46

many crazy things happen backstage have

22:48

what they can do and. I

22:50

can make more money doing this

22:52

or I can make more money

22:55

doing that and I'm not getting

22:57

the push I should get so

22:59

you just you never know exactly

23:01

what it is but again it

23:03

amazes me how dark it is

23:05

here right I mean no how

23:08

loose the ropes are I mean

23:10

you see them run the ropes

23:12

that they damn near hit the

23:14

floor yeah you know what the

23:16

WW was like them for a

23:18

while I don't I don't watch

23:21

them now are they still like

23:23

that with loose ropes no no

23:25

no they got skippity through to

23:27

us now That being said, Penta

23:29

on his first show on Netflix,

23:31

he did trip or mistime something

23:34

because he was so used to

23:36

working on cables in this first

23:38

match with ropes probably. So yeah,

23:40

there's probably a little difference there.

23:42

People are saying in the in

23:44

the group chat here, yeah, off

23:47

studio audience that playboy buddy rose

23:49

in this mass reminded them of

23:51

the camp from pulp fiction. Are

23:53

you in the loop on that?

23:55

Yeah, that's a good call. Absolutely.

23:57

That's dead, baby. Yeah,

24:00

that's that's a just a

24:02

I mean, let's did the

24:04

executioner have any airtime on

24:07

WWTV or they just put

24:09

the buddy rose in the

24:11

mask for the show and

24:13

say the executioner for the

24:15

opening. They needed somebody to

24:17

put Tito over. Mm-hmm. Yeah,

24:20

you know, I through the

24:22

week, I will cultivate some

24:24

silly shit. Yes, I do

24:26

send it to Dave. Is

24:28

our is our girl with

24:30

us this this week? Well,

24:33

I don't know what we

24:35

got. It's a schmorgetsborger surprises.

24:37

But I think we've got

24:39

something ready to play right

24:41

now. Let's hit it Dave.

24:43

I'm macaroni. Don't have sex

24:46

with me. Even though I

24:48

sound like sex when you

24:50

stir me doesn't mean you

24:52

can just me. I'm macaroni.

24:54

Gosh, take a girl out

24:56

to dinner first. Wait! I'm

24:59

dinner. Guess you're gonna have

25:01

to eat me! Eat me!

25:03

Eat me! But not like

25:05

that. Uh-uh. Don't even think

25:07

about it. Baby, this macaroni's

25:09

flying so low. Don't catch

25:12

feelings for the macaroni. Macaroni

25:14

gotta live its own life

25:16

for a while. Macaroni not.

25:18

Macaroni. Macaroni. Macaroni. Macaroni. Macaroni.

25:20

Macaroni. The scrape of the

25:22

barrel on the internet. We're

25:25

your go-to program. You didn't

25:27

find that entertaining? I found

25:29

it hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, but

25:31

it's, you scrape at the

25:33

bottom, you know, it's like,

25:35

you know, let's say, well,

25:38

yeah, where is Ashley, 80%

25:40

off girl? Do we have

25:42

something where her this week?

25:44

Well, the rumor and innuendo

25:46

is, she's back, let's just

25:48

blow our load right here

25:51

in the first 10 minutes

25:53

of Wrestlemania. Here we go.

25:55

Come on. I don't

25:57

know anything about ping pong and

26:00

my name is Ashley, but... 80%

26:02

off you can see my. 80%

26:04

off she's looking for a deal.

26:06

So if you're looking for a

26:09

deal just looking no further than

26:11

Ashley. So for you guys who

26:13

want to see that again we

26:16

will play it again because it

26:18

has become quite a fixture here

26:20

on what happened when we do

26:22

we try to find her to

26:25

do some things for us. What

26:27

do you want her to do

26:29

Tony? I don't know. Maybe she

26:32

could say you know I'm here

26:34

on what happened when if you.

26:36

Hang on hang on hang on

26:39

hang on. I did something like

26:41

this with Whitney right once and

26:43

I got heat from your whole

26:45

family. So I just cut all

26:48

that off. You didn't get heat

26:50

for me buddy. Well, and by

26:52

the way, I haven't heard or

26:55

seen from Whitney ever since the

26:57

comic book came out. Which part

26:59

of her are you looking for?

27:01

Well, just seeing how she's doing.

27:04

You know, she in my birthday,

27:06

remember she did a video for

27:08

me. Oh, fantastic. And I keep

27:11

up with a little bit. It

27:13

looks like she's doing pretty well.

27:15

Here for Whitney. You know, I

27:18

am curious. You think that girl

27:20

Ashley, I know that she doesn't

27:22

know much about ping pong. You

27:24

think she's gotten the experience with

27:27

ping pong balls? You never know.

27:29

Maybe she's playing beer pong or

27:31

something like that. That's what I

27:34

meant. Clearly. No, that's not what

27:36

you meant. But that's what I

27:38

said. And she looks kind of

27:40

young. I mean, like. Well, all

27:43

listen at my age, all girls

27:45

look young to me. Hey, Tido

27:47

won the first match. Reba. Did

27:50

you just roll that R? Let's

27:52

go to a one. Oh

27:54

wow, he did a whole long

27:57

potato impression. Did you hear that?

27:59

Yeah, he did it real breathy.

28:01

I know. No, Chris North. We're

28:04

not doing beer pong with Ashley

28:06

at Starcast. Why not? Man, you

28:08

know how hard it is to

28:10

get A.W. approval on things? You

28:13

think we got the ping pong

28:15

girl coming now? Wow. I will

28:17

say this though. Her doing those

28:20

promos for us could hit. I

28:22

just don't see all T.K. approving

28:24

that sort of marketing. Just to

28:27

guess. Why don't she

28:29

just do promos for what happened

28:31

when for us? Okay, God damn,

28:33

I'm on it. All right, so

28:36

King Kong Bundy and Special Delivery

28:38

Jones are going to be next.

28:40

You want to guess how long

28:43

this match could go, Tony? Three

28:45

minutes and 55 seconds maybe. Less.

28:48

One minute. Less. 30 seconds. Less.

28:50

One minute. Less. 30 seconds. Less.

28:52

30 seconds. Less. Ten seconds. Less.

28:55

It's not going to happen. Nine

28:57

seconds. Okay. promo last longer. I

28:59

want to go out here and

29:02

get my ass beat right here.

29:04

Madison Square Garden. And this bald

29:06

motherfucker, he's got to do more

29:09

work to me. I just go

29:11

out there, go up, go down.

29:13

One, two, three, four, five. King

29:16

Kong Bundy going to whoop my

29:18

ass. It won't take long. But

29:20

I'm going to get the pay

29:23

window, baby. S.D. Jones had no

29:25

idea where the camera was on

29:27

that promo. He was looking somewhere

29:30

else. Yeah, I mean, here's about

29:32

Big, Matt Dawkins, Mike Dawkins, looking

29:35

by the fucker. If I had

29:37

a little dollar frame from Hobby

29:39

Lobby, I could make a full-blown

29:42

gimmick out of this. And he

29:44

looked at this big motherfucker here.

29:46

I mean, do, are you telling

29:49

me that's not Dawkins? That is

29:51

Dawkins. If Dawkins was not actively

29:53

fighting, actively fighting his diabetes. Yeah.

29:56

He'd be King Kong Dawkins. That's

29:58

a combination of Paul Haven and

30:00

Mike Dawkins right there. What that

30:03

is? I gotta ask Dawkins. Oh,

30:05

if he could just take a

30:07

photo of a light bulb in

30:10

his mouth. I could have silver

30:12

photo shopping on. So this thing

30:14

is going to be what nine

30:17

seconds you say? Yep. So basically

30:19

you love making sessions. Yeah, back

30:21

Jones says, I like that he's

30:24

still wearing the Rolex. Yeah, and

30:26

one of those pre-tapes there, he's

30:29

he's sporting the Rolex. I got

30:31

to say though, you know, when

30:33

you think about iconic. Big years

30:36

from this era of wrestling. King

30:38

Kong Bundy, he feels like a

30:40

prototype. The over-the-top wrestling that made

30:43

the 1980s fun. I think he

30:45

was even, I might have this

30:47

wrong, but it feels like he's

30:50

the type of wrestler who would

30:52

make a special guest appearance on

30:54

the Vicky Lawrence show Mama's family.

30:57

Like if you need a giant

30:59

wrestler to do some over-the-top airplane

31:01

spins and all that sort of

31:04

shit, then, oh, he's your guy.

31:06

Yeah. Did he ever run with

31:08

Hogan? Did they have a... He's

31:11

gonna main event Hogan next year

31:13

at WrestleMania. Okay, yeah, that's the

31:16

WrestleMania where they were in like

31:18

two or three different locations. Three

31:20

towns, that's right. Chicago, LA, and

31:23

New York, New York. And there

31:25

it is, the bear hug, the

31:27

squish in the corner, and another

31:30

big splash. Down goes SD and

31:32

another big splash. Refs already counted

31:34

one as soon as he fell.

31:37

There it is. It's over We're

31:39

two matches deep in WrestleMania Tony.

31:41

Wow How about that? Darren's daily

31:44

is with us and he says

31:46

this is for now and a

31:48

later match. They say Andre had

31:51

heat with other giants. Is that

31:53

true? And Andre hate Bundy or

31:55

stud more? Did you spend much

31:58

time with Andre, which of the

32:00

giants did he not like that

32:03

you knew? Do not know that

32:05

at all. My dealings with Andre

32:07

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32:10

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33:13

I guess I would have learned

33:15

more had I stayed around longer

33:18

in the WWE, you know, but

33:20

on my way to Georgia. I

33:22

would have loved to have seen

33:25

you. I mean I can just

33:27

imagine the fun times you would

33:29

have had with Andre. It feels

33:32

like you guys on camera. I

33:34

just would have been awesome. I

33:36

would have loved to got the

33:39

knowing but work with him. Dave

33:41

McClay has just joined us fresh

33:44

off of his latest postal run.

33:46

Dave we're coming to Boston. Are

33:48

you coming to the matches? You

33:51

will. Inquiring minds don't want to

33:53

know. Hey I've got something here

33:55

that I need to show you.

33:58

Are you ready for this? Yes

34:00

I'm ready. Go ahead. We got

34:02

something from Mr. Rogers. And some

34:05

people might even say you might

34:07

be the Mr. Rogers of wrestling

34:09

and well, let's take a look

34:12

at this. Okay, let's listen to

34:14

a little bit of this. So.

34:16

What do you think of Mr.

34:19

Rogers? What's the Bull's? Let me

34:21

say, hey, we was the Bull's.

34:23

Oh, well you missed that episode.

34:26

It was a good one. I

34:28

sure did. Yeah. What do you

34:31

think about the way they're doing

34:33

promos here where you're bringing in

34:35

maybe faces and heels kind of

34:38

right behind each other in a

34:40

single shot? I know. I know

34:42

it's efficient, but it sort of

34:45

implies that these guys who are

34:47

opponents, they're right there shoulder to

34:49

shoulder. Yeah, I know. It's very

34:52

weird. It's nothing that I've ever

34:54

seen done before or after. How

34:57

much shit do you think Ricky's

34:59

seen but was on right there?

35:02

I don't think Ricky. I'm not

35:04

so sure he was on shit.

35:06

You don't think Ricky did PEDs?

35:09

No, I mean, I can't. I

35:11

can't accuse anybody of doing PEDs.

35:14

Yeah, you got a lot? Well,

35:16

I got eyes. That doesn't mean

35:18

anything. You gonna be one of

35:21

these guys who says, well, Brock

35:23

Lesder never failed the drug passed.

35:25

No, I'm not going to say

35:28

that you can get a body.

35:30

Working hard. Okay. Cool. Yep. I

35:32

buy it. Totally makes sense to

35:35

me. Johnson never did shit either.

35:37

Okay. Yeah. I'm just saying I'm

35:39

not I'm not sitting I'm not

35:42

you're not you're not getting me

35:44

accusing anybody of using PDs. You're

35:46

not. It's it's it's it's unfair

35:49

to say that. By the way,

35:51

there's nothing wrong with nothing. I'm

35:54

not accusing people of shit. I

35:56

don't know about. I do podcast

35:58

with people who get testosterone on

36:01

a monthly basis. Well, good for

36:03

them. Yeah. a big deal. I

36:05

asked my doctor one time, I

36:08

said, do I need testosterone? He

36:10

went, don't think so. No, I

36:12

mean, you hadn't fought since nitro.

36:15

Yeah, boy. Uh, probably not wrong.

36:17

Did, uh, from when nitro went

36:19

off the air tonight, uh, that's

36:22

the real strict they should be

36:24

talking about tonight on dynamite. You've

36:26

only had cooter once since nitro.

36:29

Sure have. Now that I'm thinking

36:31

about it, it was after she

36:34

saw that Whitney or I had

36:36

made a video for you. You

36:38

know what? Coach Rosie, let's get

36:41

to work on Ashley. We got

36:43

to actually do its promos for

36:45

W.H.W. We're going to get Tony

36:48

some stank on his hang low.

36:50

Now I don't want. Dave McClay

36:52

wants to know Tony. What are

36:55

you ordering from Calhoun this week?

36:57

You got two nights in Boston.

36:59

And I haven't heard from our

37:02

good friend Andy from Calhoun's, but

37:04

I hope to hear from him.

37:06

I don't know. You know, I

37:09

really, I don't get much sleep

37:11

in my life. Only home. I

37:14

don't get much sleep at home

37:16

in my life. So I'm going

37:18

to take the time on, after

37:21

dynamite on Wednesday or tonight, as

37:23

this is, this podcast, or dropping,

37:25

and get some sleep and sleep

37:28

late. I'm just probably going to

37:30

go right from Fenway to the

37:32

hotel and then get a lot

37:35

of sleep. That's probably what I'm

37:37

doing. Sometimes when you can't sleep,

37:39

do you try to make knuckle

37:42

children just to see if that

37:44

helps? No. Wow, man, that's why

37:46

I go too. If I can't

37:49

sleep, I'm like, well, let me

37:51

see if I can cut hand

37:54

right fast. You know what I

37:56

did? I last night, I took

37:58

a couple of town and all

38:01

PMms. Oh, there you go. That's

38:03

over-the-counter drugs, mind you. And got

38:05

up a... 515 this morning and

38:08

then fell back to sleep and

38:10

just couldn't get back up and

38:12

it was like less American. It

38:15

was just broggy all day. But

38:17

anyway, can I recommend that you

38:19

try some over the counter gummies

38:22

that have CBN in it? Yeah,

38:24

I've seen those. And I recommend

38:26

it. There are some. There's

38:30

some gummies you can get

38:32

at certain locations, certain states

38:34

that help you sleep too.

38:36

But I don't know. I

38:38

just, I don't know. Chris

38:40

North points out the obvious

38:42

fact, and it is worth

38:44

repeating. We were not, I

38:46

was not trying to imply

38:48

that Ricky Steamboat was breaking

38:50

the law. In 1990, steroids

38:52

were legal, or were made

38:55

illegal. So in 1985, he's

38:57

totally cool to get whatever

38:59

he wants. Well, that's fine,

39:01

but I can't say. I

39:03

mean, it's wrong to look

39:05

at a guy to say,

39:07

oh, he's on something. He's

39:09

wrong. I didn't say he

39:11

was. I asked if you

39:13

thought he was, and you

39:15

said no. There you go.

39:17

Dave McLean says the hook,

39:20

it was some good gummy,

39:22

Tony. Dave, I've got a,

39:24

I've got a bag man

39:26

for gummies. A bag man.

39:28

Okay, you want to tell

39:30

us who that is? No,

39:32

I don't. Well, I don't

39:34

want to bless my cover.

39:36

I got you. Right. I

39:38

mean, so there was some

39:40

news this week that I

39:43

think you might find a

39:45

particular interest. And I don't

39:47

know why seeing Matt Moore

39:49

and Russell makes me think

39:51

of this, but it does.

39:53

Let's go ahead and take

39:55

a look at this headline

39:57

here. Man arrested in Bib

39:59

County on charges of sex

40:01

with chicken, dog. Chicken common

40:03

dog. Chicken common dog. Yeah.

40:05

The 24. four-year-old man was

40:08

arrested Thursday and taken to

40:10

the Bib County Jail on

40:12

charges of beastiality, according to

40:14

court documents, braided majors is

40:16

accused of having sexual intercourse

40:18

with a chicken and a

40:20

dog on or about December

40:22

1st, 2024. Okay. Lots of

40:24

back here. Go back to

40:26

that last. There's another thing

40:28

to read. He's charged two

40:30

counts of bestiality, which is

40:33

a class day misdemeanor in

40:35

Alabama. Miss demeanor. Punish your

40:37

ball by after one year

40:39

in jail or five of

40:41

six grand has made the

40:43

decision not to publish his

40:45

mugshot because of the crimes

40:47

classification as a misdemeanor. What?

40:49

Yeah, so they didn't show

40:51

his his photo, but they

40:53

damn sure said his name.

40:55

And I don't know why,

40:58

but it made me laugh

41:00

that they said that this

41:02

happened on or about December

41:04

1st. Who's title? And I

41:06

mean, we're in fucking April

41:08

and it's just now, were

41:10

they late following a police

41:12

report? Did the other chickens

41:14

have to get some, was

41:16

this like Lassie for B.C.ality?

41:18

What's that girl? There's a,

41:21

what? And at the conclusion

41:23

of the match here, we're

41:25

going to pass forward Tony

41:27

to 5723. So if you're

41:29

watching along with us on

41:31

Peacock, if you're watching on

41:33

Peacock, go to 5723. That's

41:35

57 minutes and 23 seconds

41:37

inside Peacock, telling you that

41:39

Tony, because we sent you

41:41

a link. So if you're

41:43

watching your download link, you

41:46

don't have to do that.

41:48

57, no. I went to

41:50

Peacock. 5723. We will

41:52

wait for you to get to

41:54

5723 and as we're waiting Conrad,

41:57

what would you like to talk

41:59

about? Well, I know that we've

42:01

got a big of mine coming

42:03

up tonight, but what everybody's talking

42:06

about is last week's dynamite. We

42:08

saw as you're waiting to get

42:10

to 5723, we saw the return

42:12

of the young bucks to dynamite.

42:15

And Kenny Omega came out and

42:17

then here came Okata. A lot

42:19

of people are getting pretty fired

42:21

up about the potential of another

42:24

Okata Omega match. Of course, nothing's

42:26

been official, but there's lots of

42:28

hope that we may see that

42:30

match later this year. It feels

42:33

like the stars are aligning for

42:35

a big summer for AW right

42:37

now, Tony. Yeah, it should be

42:39

a big summer. Just load it

42:42

with talent when you think about

42:44

Omega and the young bucks coming

42:46

back and Okata with us and

42:49

Will Osprey with us and John

42:51

Moxley and Claudio and Adam Copeland

42:53

and Christian's going to be back

42:55

pretty soon. So it's... It's

42:58

really going to be a great summer

43:00

for us, I think. Really excited about

43:02

it. We've got some great town. Unfortunately,

43:04

Pac was injured. We talked about that

43:06

on Saturday, and he's going to be

43:08

out for a while. Jay White's injured.

43:10

He's going to be out for a

43:12

while. So Orange Cassidy's injured. We haven't

43:14

seen him in quite a while. I

43:16

don't know when he's going to be

43:18

coming back. We got the injuries, but

43:20

we still got the talent in place

43:22

to make for a great summer. Tony

43:26

you want to tell everybody

43:29

what you're looking at a

43:31

5723 there. Yeah, looking at

43:33

it looks like the an

43:35

open of it looks like

43:38

the ring and looks like

43:40

they're getting ready to fly

43:42

in the Russell Manio Madison

43:44

Square Garden graphic and three

43:46

two one play and so

43:49

here we are and there

43:51

is a well rope himself.

43:57

Man what a what a moment

43:59

here at russlemania as you see

44:01

our tag team match headed to

44:04

the ring right in front of

44:06

lord alford haze here comes the

44:08

iron cheek and nickel i've all

44:10

call Freddy Blassie is their manager

44:13

they're gonna be taking on the

44:15

US Express and they come in

44:17

as the tag team champions of

44:19

course we know him better is

44:21

Barry Wyndham and microtundo how crazy

44:24

is it to think as we

44:26

go back to a pre-taped interview

44:28

That is kind of while we

44:30

just saw them walk past them

44:33

on the way to the ring

44:35

and then we go back to

44:37

the locker room but this is

44:39

what you know production looked like

44:41

in 1985. Yeah and you know

44:44

there are there are two types

44:46

of interviews there interviews that we've

44:48

seen with the W logo the

44:50

W F logo that have been

44:52

pretaped previously and then these are

44:55

the ones that are backstage in

44:57

Madison Square Garden right now. Well

44:59

I don't think yeah I mean.

45:01

I don't know where the other

45:04

interviews were done to your point,

45:06

but they were in front of

45:08

a logo. That was the locker

45:10

room though. And do you have

45:12

a preference? Do you like the

45:15

locker room look as far as

45:17

a pre-game interview set or do

45:19

you prefer the logo? I like

45:21

the locker room look for pre-game.

45:24

Elbano. Smokes. stories never met him

45:26

it was like he and Dave

45:28

Silva would get along fine i

45:30

think Dave Silva could pull off

45:32

captain Lou albano for Halloween i

45:35

think he could too when's the

45:37

last time he had a Halloween

45:39

party Halloween Halloween this past year

45:41

there's a Halloween you have a

45:44

Halloween party yes sir I mean

45:46

I like to party, what do

45:48

you mean? Our lives are so

45:50

much different, so many, we just,

45:52

we hand out candy and go

45:55

to bed. Nobody comes to my

45:57

house for candy, you know, I

45:59

know you've never been to the

46:01

house, but I'm like. Yeah, you're

46:04

out the way out. I got

46:06

a quarter mile long driveway. I'm

46:08

on five acres, so like nobody's

46:10

making their way all the way

46:12

up. I'm tucked away. Which is

46:15

cool from a privacy standpoint, but

46:17

you won't get any trick-or-treaters. But

46:19

it does mean if you want

46:21

to, you know, pull your cuck-out

46:23

on the back porch, you can.

46:26

Somebody's going to see it. Except

46:28

some ease. Yeah, and they don't

46:30

think it's food or anything, so

46:32

they don't go after it. It's,

46:35

yeah. What do you think of

46:37

the presentation of these quote, quote,

46:39

quote, quote, four in heels? I

46:41

mean, Nikolai Volkov singing the Russian

46:43

national anthem. It's such a simple

46:46

thing. But man, how effective was

46:48

this in 1985? You know what?

46:50

Well, we're in the Cold War,

46:52

right? Yes. So there you go.

46:55

Look at it. They threw something

46:57

to Nikolai. Are

46:59

guys dressed up in tuxes? I

47:02

was talking about this with Lois

47:04

today. I think I've brought this

47:06

up here. What is it about

47:08

the 80s? That I love so

47:11

much. Back when you, yeah, that

47:13

is a great question. You know,

47:15

I don't know why you love

47:17

it so much about that, about

47:20

that era, because most people are

47:22

nostalgic about the decade that they

47:24

grew up in. Right and I

47:26

already grown ass man with kids.

47:29

Well, we started having kids in

47:31

82, but I graduated from from

47:33

high school in 76. So I

47:36

grew up in the 70s basically

47:38

and Graduated from college in 1980

47:40

got married 81 started having kids

47:42

in 82 when I talked about

47:45

how wonderful the 80s were Lois

47:47

will say well I was having

47:49

kids in the entire 80s I

47:51

think it was the fact that

47:54

I would. from college 80 and

47:56

I had my career ahead of

47:58

me right I mean I had

48:00

I was doing baseball and I

48:03

started doing wrestling and I just

48:05

it was just an exciting time

48:07

and we've also had some our

48:09

our listeners here say that the

48:12

best movies the best music I

48:14

just I just don't know I

48:16

just love the 80s and when

48:18

I think about the 80s being

48:21

40 years ago, good God, where

48:23

has time gone? And, but the

48:25

80s to me were the best

48:27

time. They were the absolute best,

48:30

best, it was the absolute best

48:32

decade of them all, and just

48:34

went by so fast. And then

48:37

90s moved to Georgia in 1990

48:39

here and in Europe since. And

48:41

that's my life, and that's my

48:43

life, and that's my life, and

48:46

that's my life, and that's my

48:48

life, and that's my life, and

48:50

that's my life, and that's my

48:52

life, and Isn't it interesting to

48:55

take a look and think about

48:57

how much different wrestling is going

48:59

to look shortly? You know, Nikolai

49:01

Volkov and the Iron Sheek are

49:04

shortly going to start phasing out.

49:06

I mean, they still got a

49:08

few years here. But really, I

49:10

think I would argue that Mike

49:13

Pretunda was about to enjoy his

49:15

biggest success on his next run

49:17

here in the WW. He's going

49:19

to wind up working for Jim

49:22

Crockett promotions. But ultimately, I think

49:24

he probably had his most iconic

49:26

run as IRS, Erwin R. Shister.

49:29

Right. And he's going to have

49:31

tag matches at Russell Mania against

49:33

Holkogan, instead of against the Iron

49:35

Sheek. And February the following year,

49:38

around Valentine's Day, actually, yeah, on

49:40

February 14th, 1986 Battle of the

49:42

Bells, too, is when Barry Windham

49:44

is going to challenge the nature

49:47

boy, Rick Blair, for the world

49:49

title. And Dave Meltzer would say

49:51

it's the best hour of television

49:53

he'd ever seen in American wrestling.

49:56

So people were talking about. very

49:58

Wyndham, you know, in the next

50:00

calendar year as if he might

50:02

be the absolute best wrestler in

50:05

the world. Here he is in

50:07

a tag match with respectfully the

50:09

Iron Sheek and Nikola Volkov. There's

50:11

so much talent and so much

50:14

opportunity in front of these guys.

50:16

And I know for the Iron

50:18

Sheek, I mean, at this point,

50:21

he's on the downhill slope, but

50:23

that is not the case for

50:25

his opponents here. Yeah, the, as

50:27

a matter of fact, if I'm

50:30

correct, if I'm correct. The very

50:32

first ever Saturday night's main event

50:34

and the first match had windom

50:36

and return to end it, right?

50:39

Yeah, that's great. That's a great

50:41

little trivia question. I think they

50:43

did. Do you want to guess

50:45

how old the iron chic is

50:48

in this match here? Uh, it

50:50

would be like 45. He had

50:52

just turned 43. Wow. Isn't that

50:54

interesting? Funny guy, man. Absolutely funny

50:57

guy. Absolutely funny guy. I'm

50:59

just saying, I think we all think

51:01

of him as like on the downhill

51:04

slope at this point. I mean, I

51:06

just say that, right. I think next

51:08

week, John Senna will turn 48. He's

51:11

five years older than the iron cheek.

51:13

Yeah, I was even, wow. How about

51:15

that? We'll just age differently now. Yeah,

51:18

they do. Well, it did. It's a

51:20

different era. There are so many things

51:22

that you can do. So many health

51:25

regiments that you can go through now,

51:27

so many workout programs. that you can

51:29

go through to look younger feel younger

51:32

and stay younger and then you go

51:34

out and get hit by a car

51:36

and it's all over with without looking

51:39

I would have assumed that Nikola Volkov

51:41

is actually older than the Iron Sheek

51:43

he's only 38 here wow I know

51:46

everybody online makes fun of it but

51:48

it's just wild for me to think

51:50

that Nikola Volkov here is actually younger

51:53

than Cody Rhodes is now. Oh like

51:55

smokes. Hey, speaking of crazy. We're talking

51:57

about, you know, how much better things

52:00

were in the 80s. Well, did you

52:02

ever have a pen pal in the

52:04

80s? Did you ever have a friend

52:06

that was strictly or in the mailbox

52:09

friend? I know these days, you know,

52:11

like when I was coming up, people

52:13

had like chatroom friends and I guess

52:16

the generation after me, they had like

52:18

gaming friends, they put the headsets on

52:20

and they make friends and have long

52:23

conversations with people. Right. in far corners

52:25

of the world. And now, because of

52:27

things like this podcast, I mean, look

52:30

at how many of our friends are

52:32

in the group chat tonight. But way

52:34

back when, the pen pal thing, that's

52:37

something I heard about. And I remember

52:39

seeing people talk about on like Pewe

52:41

Herman's Playhouse and things, but I never

52:44

had a pen pal. You didn't either?

52:46

No, not at all. Well, I don't

52:48

know if you know this. But one

52:51

of your coworkers, he was looking for

52:53

pen pals once. Let's take a look.

52:56

Old Peter Sinertia. Yes. Enjoys bowling.

52:59

Bruno San Martino is his favorite.

53:01

He likes the good guys. And

53:03

he's looking for pen pals. And

53:05

when I saw that photo, I

53:07

mean, and nine years old. I'm

53:09

not putting a black towel on

53:11

my head, but I also thought,

53:13

was his girlfriend Winnie Cooper? Because

53:15

Fred Savage as a kid and

53:17

Taz as a kid. That's like

53:20

doppelganger shit right there my god

53:22

My God Brother Winnie Cooper was

53:24

a smoke show That's something else

53:26

man. I mean it looks just

53:28

like him to me. Oh God

53:30

brother Okay, just for everybody who's

53:32

watching here? Who is watching? And

53:34

for everybody who has joined us

53:36

with comments, this was brought up

53:38

by Conrad Thompson, not by. me.

53:40

Wait a minute. I didn't write

53:43

in to a to a dirt

53:45

sheet to 411 fuck sheet illustrated.

53:47

Yeah, in the 80s. No, in

53:49

my picture. Okay, but you're the

53:51

one that had this picture of

53:53

of has put up there. Dave

53:55

Silver posted his home address, which

53:57

is one of the three dash

53:59

27 Woodhaven Boulevard. Ozone Park, New

54:01

York. He doesn't live there now.

54:03

I don't think you don't know

54:06

that. Just send the mail there

54:08

and see what happened. I had

54:10

nothing to do with this at

54:12

all. Yeah, dear brother. I like

54:14

the color orange. Yeah, I'm I'm

54:16

not I'm not going to see

54:18

you guys don't have to deal

54:20

with him every week. I do.

54:22

Okay. Oh. You know, can you

54:24

imagine for a minute? Let's let's

54:26

do a picture back up there.

54:29

No, let's not. I'm gonna bust

54:31

you up so bad. I'm gonna

54:33

do you on your fucking head.

54:35

Can you imagine that's this guy?

54:37

How awesome is that? That is

54:39

awesome. Oh God, you're really talking

54:41

to here, aren't you? Yeah. What's

54:43

the deal? We're going to get

54:45

in trouble for that? No. No,

54:47

I don't know. Well, listen, if

54:49

we're going to do it, let's

54:52

just throw it back up there

54:54

with friends. Just fucking. I'm in

54:56

trouble now. You telling me they're

54:58

not related? They don't go out

55:00

of the reunions together? Those kids

55:02

didn't play rock paper, scissors together,

55:04

come on. Jesus Christ. Spreads of

55:06

it. Yeah. See, you can do

55:08

this and you go, ha ha

55:10

ha ha, and then you don't

55:13

see him. That's correct. Yeah. But

55:15

I do, I do see him.

55:17

Oh. Hey, speaking of seeing, I

55:19

don't know that told you this,

55:21

but my wife's gone to bed

55:23

now, so I can tell this

55:25

story. Last week. I think it

55:27

was Monday. I think it was

55:29

Monday. Yeah, or maybe was it

55:31

Monday night? I think it was

55:33

Monday. night. Okay. And you couldn't

55:36

record. So I wound up seven

55:38

some free time. I was not

55:40

doing well. Yep. I was making

55:42

was going to go to bad.

55:44

I was going to go put

55:46

my my fancy dancy turtle beach

55:48

headset on and beat up Macoon

55:50

and NBA 2K, which is a

55:52

favorite best time of mine. He's

55:54

terrible. I beat him every time.

55:56

Okay. Okay. And my wife lets

55:59

the dogs out the front door.

56:01

We have the bells on the

56:03

front door still alert when they

56:05

need to go take a one

56:07

or two. So I hear the

56:09

bells and then I hear her

56:11

say Conrad. And I say, yeah.

56:13

She says, hey, there's a bird

56:15

in the house. I said, okay.

56:17

And she's like, well, what are

56:19

we going to do? I said,

56:22

nothing. Just go to bed. Shut

56:24

the door. Shut the door. She's

56:26

like, what do you mean? Said,

56:28

shut the door to the bedroom.

56:30

Go to bed. Don't worry about

56:32

it. And she's like, it's upstairs.

56:34

Yeah, it's fine. Go to bed.

56:36

Well, what are we going to

56:38

do about it? Just go to

56:40

bed. I'll take care of it.

56:42

There's nothing to do. You don't

56:45

do anything. No, we got to

56:47

do something. I just saw a

56:49

title change. Iron Sheek and Nikola

56:51

Volkov for the new tag jams.

56:53

Wow, right in the middle of

56:55

bird talk. She says, well, if

56:57

you don't want to deal with

56:59

it, deal with it, I will,

57:01

or something like that. Something like

57:03

that. Something like that. Something like

57:06

that. And I yell, I said,

57:08

Megan, you don't have any tools

57:10

or anything. She goes, what do

57:12

you mean? I go, well, you

57:14

don't have like a fucking net.

57:16

Not that you would even use

57:18

that. That's not how you get

57:20

a bird out of your house.

57:22

And so she goes, well, I'm

57:24

going to get him out. I

57:26

can't go to bed with a

57:29

bird in the house. And I'm

57:31

like, what? I said, you and

57:33

the girls go to the bedroom,

57:35

shut the bedroom, shut the door.

57:37

It's fine. My lovely bride has

57:39

more degrees in the thermostat, owns

57:41

multiple businesses, multiple rental products, an

57:43

accomplished individual, smart human beings. Yeah.

57:45

And I hear, as I'm about

57:47

to put my headset on. It's

57:49

amazing all that, and Rick Lares

57:52

are dad. Well, go ahead. Here,

57:54

birdie bird. Are you serious? And

57:56

I start laughing. And I go

57:58

out there and get to the

58:00

bottom of the stairs. And I

58:02

said, Megan, come downstairs and go

58:04

to bed. Shut the fucking door.

58:06

I'll take care of it. And

58:08

she's like, the bird. And I'm

58:10

like, I don't care. I'll take

58:12

care. And so she's like, well,

58:15

what are we supposed to do?

58:17

I said, honey, here's what we're

58:19

going to do. You're going to

58:21

go to bed. You're going to

58:23

shut the door. I'm going to

58:25

open the doors up as wide

58:27

as they go. And the bird

58:29

will fly out. She's like, well,

58:31

we need to stay in here

58:33

until he does. And I go,

58:35

the bird is staying here until

58:38

he does. And I'll turn the

58:40

lights off and open the doors

58:42

and open the bird will fly

58:44

out. I'm trying to sleep. She

58:46

goes to work at it like

58:48

four in the morning. So I'm

58:50

trying to sleep, but this god

58:52

damn bird's awake. And he's on

58:54

top of the chandelier in the

58:56

formal living room, 22 feet in

58:59

the air, walking his ass off.

59:01

And I realize it's because the

59:03

bird's nest is on the reef

59:05

in my front door. He's built

59:07

a reef and so the she,

59:09

whatever the fuck. So the eggs

59:11

are in there and so that's

59:13

why it's making all the noise.

59:15

So I open both of the

59:17

doors. and turn off all the

59:19

lights and leave the room and

59:22

in 20 minutes the god damn

59:24

bird's gone and everybody looks happy

59:26

ever after. But my genius wife

59:28

is upstairs roaming around spare bedrooms.

59:30

I'm like, oh my God. Well,

59:32

you know, some people believe that

59:34

a bird in the house is

59:36

bad luck. Have you heard that

59:38

before? No. Yeah. I remember. I

59:40

was thinking when I was growing

59:42

up and the bird got in

59:45

our house and my mom, you

59:47

know, my mom, listen, my mom

59:49

was really old school, she was

59:51

born in. in 1916, she grew

59:53

up during the Depression, she had

59:55

a real tough life, and the

59:57

bird came in the house one

59:59

day, she said, oh my God,

1:00:01

I mean, she freaked out, so

1:00:03

we've got to get that bird

1:00:05

out of the house right now,

1:00:08

going, why? Because it's bad luck,

1:00:10

and we do not lead bad

1:00:12

luck on this family. And I

1:00:14

said, where did you get that

1:00:16

from? She said, it's common knowledge,

1:00:18

everybody knows that. So I didn't

1:00:20

know that when you were telling

1:00:22

the story that Megan thought it

1:00:24

was bad luck to and she

1:00:26

wanted to get the bird out

1:00:28

the house. Oh no, she's just

1:00:31

oh, oh, they're gonna hurt the

1:00:33

bird's gonna hurt the dogs or

1:00:35

the dog's gonna hurt the birds

1:00:37

and I'm like, they're both scared

1:00:39

of the other thing. We don't

1:00:41

have like a German shepherd. We

1:00:43

got a goddam teacup poodle that

1:00:45

you can fit in your hand.

1:00:47

Anyway, I just Google that. While

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1:00:54

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You're meet Big John

1:04:37

Stud? Never did, no. The idea

1:04:39

here is Andre the Giant,

1:04:41

believe it or not, has put

1:04:43

his career on the line. So

1:04:46

if he loses, he is no

1:04:48

longer a professional wrestler. But

1:04:50

if he wins, he wins $15,000.

1:04:53

Hmm. I heard that Big

1:04:55

John Stud was truly one

1:04:57

of the nicest guys ever in

1:04:59

wrestling. Everybody who's

1:05:02

ever worked with him. Except

1:05:04

maybe Andre the Giant. We're

1:05:07

having some conversation in

1:05:09

the group chat here. Darren Staley

1:05:11

says he's heard that a

1:05:13

bird flying in the window means

1:05:16

death in the house and his

1:05:18

grandma told him that. Yep. And

1:05:20

Jason Taylor says, did your grandma

1:05:23

have Florida ceiling windows? I have

1:05:25

a bird flying to my windows

1:05:27

at least once a year and

1:05:29

nobody in my family has died.

1:05:32

Actually, I've got like a bird

1:05:34

graveyard behind my house here on

1:05:36

the lake. I've had, I'm not kidding, in

1:05:38

the year I've been here, eight birds,

1:05:40

check out, just hauling ass right

1:05:42

into the glass. So you go out

1:05:44

there and you're like, oh, dogs, leave that

1:05:47

alone. I mean, I've never heard one

1:05:49

hit. I mean I guess I have but

1:05:51

when I go out there I don't

1:05:53

see it but there's been others that

1:05:55

I didn't hear hit and they go.

1:05:57

Coach Keith says I'd rather have a

1:05:59

bird. in the house than a bat. I

1:06:01

had one in the house last year and

1:06:03

it took a freaking hour to get it out

1:06:06

of the house. Tony would have raised it

1:06:08

and called it Alfred and given

1:06:10

it a special phone. Absolutely.

1:06:12

Signal. There's a day. There's a

1:06:14

say this says my grandma also used

1:06:16

to say when the sun is shining

1:06:18

and it's raining it means the devil

1:06:20

is beating his wife. I've heard that

1:06:22

one. Oh yeah my mom said that all

1:06:25

the time. I mean here's my thing on

1:06:27

that. If the devil can get married.

1:06:30

I got a lot of single friends

1:06:32

where it's like next time the sunshine

1:06:35

in this rain and I'm gonna be

1:06:37

like, hey bro, even the devil

1:06:39

has a wife. You need to up your

1:06:41

game. You gotta start closing. Okay, so

1:06:43

the idea of this match here is

1:06:45

to slam him or it's a match

1:06:48

and if he can also slam him,

1:06:50

he'll win the $15,000. If Andre

1:06:52

loses, he loses his career.

1:06:54

Seriously. And if Andre, well, it's

1:06:56

not a shoot match, buddy. I

1:06:59

know it's not a shoot match,

1:07:01

but I was asking you,

1:07:03

these are the stipulations for

1:07:05

this match? Yes, career versus

1:07:08

$15,000. It's a body slam

1:07:10

challenge. So you're trying to

1:07:12

body slam the other fellow.

1:07:14

Okay. And if Andrei body

1:07:16

slams Big John Stud, he

1:07:19

gets $15,000 in a Big John

1:07:21

stud, body slam, kind

1:07:23

of. It's an Andre

1:07:25

the Giant match. It ain't gonna

1:07:28

be very good, but at least

1:07:30

it'll be less than six

1:07:32

minutes. Yeah. Coach Rosie has

1:07:34

a question. He says, after

1:07:36

that $400,000 tag match, Kevin

1:07:38

Knight said he was going

1:07:40

to Magic City, would you go

1:07:43

with him? Yeah, I'd go to Magic

1:07:45

City again. What's your

1:07:47

favorite experience at

1:07:49

Magic Castle? I was thinking

1:07:51

Magic Castle. Magic City

1:07:54

is a different thing. Apparently

1:07:56

so. I don't know what Magic City

1:07:59

is. Really? I don't.

1:08:01

I know what Magic Castle

1:08:04

is, because I've been

1:08:06

there, but you've got

1:08:08

to know somebody to

1:08:10

get in it. In the

1:08:13

Magic Castle. Okay. Well, I

1:08:15

know somebody who can get

1:08:17

you into Magic Castle,

1:08:20

but you've been there.

1:08:22

Yes. Magic City is

1:08:24

right down the road for

1:08:26

me, Tony. Okay. You

1:08:28

just need to hit an ATM. Oh,

1:08:31

it's a strip club, I bet. Well,

1:08:33

that's real trashy phrasing. Well,

1:08:35

yeah, there you go. It's

1:08:37

a gentleman's club. It's a

1:08:39

gentleman's club. It's a gentleman's

1:08:41

club, right. And I know you love their

1:08:44

sandwiches. Does DJ turn up work

1:08:46

at that one? No. Okay. Jim and

1:08:48

Buffalo says, we built the

1:08:50

Sunroom Edition on the house

1:08:52

a few years ago. Now we

1:08:55

get birds flying into the glass

1:08:57

pretty regularly. I'd be careful because

1:08:59

if one of them fly in,

1:09:02

Tony said your whole family's

1:09:04

gonna die. Saying to know

1:09:07

that now. Hey, you know what?

1:09:09

I'm telling you right now, you

1:09:11

say a bear hug is not

1:09:13

worth a damn, but a bondry,

1:09:15

the giant's got you into

1:09:18

freaking bear hug. That's

1:09:20

gonna have to hurt. Yeah,

1:09:22

you know what? Put it right

1:09:25

next to the cabin, right?

1:09:27

you know the big forearms like

1:09:29

pop eye and these big biceps

1:09:31

like I've got and can go

1:09:33

and pull up you think this is

1:09:36

entertaining what we're watching right

1:09:38

now on the back of the ribs

1:09:40

I think it's got it really

1:09:42

hurt I want you to encourage

1:09:44

John Moxley to do a bare

1:09:47

hug spot and just hold it

1:09:49

through a commercial break this

1:09:51

Wednesday okay if you can if

1:09:53

you can sell that the internet

1:09:55

will just rejoice The internet

1:09:58

will rejoice. Oh man, because these...

1:10:00

bring in everybody loves nostalgia Tony

1:10:02

and I mean if you say

1:10:04

that's an Andre the giant bear

1:10:06

hung we'll be back after these

1:10:08

messages. Folks were back and if

1:10:10

you hung on through that Reese's

1:10:13

commercial you're doing better than also.

1:10:15

So it's Adam is with us and

1:10:17

he says Tony did you ever

1:10:19

give Conrad your Rick Blair penis

1:10:21

trophy? He can give it to Megan.

1:10:23

I don't know why. He wants you to

1:10:25

give me a penis trophy. Well, that's

1:10:28

Adam DeMois because he has, I don't

1:10:30

even know why we've acknowledged anything

1:10:32

that he says on here. But I'm going

1:10:34

to tell you what I did with the Rick,

1:10:37

Rick Blair penis trophy. Okay. You

1:10:39

know the story behind this, right? I

1:10:41

mean, I need you to tell everybody

1:10:43

listening. Okay, the story behind this

1:10:45

was we were going to have the Rick

1:10:47

Blair roast, right? And Rick Blair didn't show

1:10:49

up for it. So I was going to,

1:10:52

I was going to, make up

1:10:54

some sort of store and give

1:10:56

it to him. And when he

1:10:58

didn't show up, I was so pissed

1:11:00

off, he didn't show up that I

1:11:02

threw it away. Either perfectly

1:11:05

good penis or do it? Put

1:11:07

in the trash can. Wow. Yeah.

1:11:09

So anyway, that's Adam De

1:11:11

Boy. And let's not acknowledge

1:11:13

him again on this show. Why

1:11:16

would, real question, why would

1:11:18

anyone suggest, hey man, did you

1:11:20

give that penis trophy? to

1:11:23

his daughter like if we had a

1:11:25

mold of your hog and I

1:11:27

realize it wouldn't take up much

1:11:29

space but let's just pretend we

1:11:32

had an exact copy made I

1:11:34

think the last person I would think

1:11:36

we should give it to would be Lori

1:11:39

right to me it's like she

1:11:41

doesn't need that yeah yeah no I just

1:11:43

some people run out of things

1:11:45

to say and obviously Adam did

1:11:47

before all of us Come

1:11:50

on body slam him here body slam him.

1:11:53

Let's there it is that son of a

1:11:55

bitch went down Andre the giant has won

1:11:57

There's the bell and now he wants the

1:11:59

money You're way

1:12:02

ahead of me. Okay,

1:12:04

there we go He

1:12:06

wants the money

1:12:09

and Bobby Heenin's

1:12:12

got the bag of

1:12:14

money How small that

1:12:17

bag looks not

1:12:19

not? Andre go

1:12:21

take it is he

1:12:24

could throw it out

1:12:26

to the fans. Yes, he is

1:12:28

And I mean this with all

1:12:30

due respect. Yeah, in bag Jones, you've

1:12:33

never seen a good Andre the giant

1:12:35

match in the WWF because they didn't

1:12:37

exist. It wasn't about the match was

1:12:39

about the spectacle of Andre the

1:12:41

giant. We all know that. I'm not arguing that,

1:12:43

but I guess my question is, why

1:12:45

can't we treat Sodem Singh the same way?

1:12:47

I don't have an answer for that. We should

1:12:50

do. I mean, he's bigger. Sodem Singh is

1:12:52

bigger than Andre the Andre the giant.

1:12:54

Right. So let's. So let's just do

1:12:56

that. Let's just do that. Let's just

1:12:58

do that for him. Chris

1:13:00

North says that Tony ever

1:13:03

get that left bicep ink

1:13:05

before or after his trip

1:13:08

declares. So your tattoo. It's

1:13:10

a tattoo of my dog bug.

1:13:12

It was the tattoo was put

1:13:15

on here before he died.

1:13:17

And then after he passed

1:13:19

away, Conrad came up with

1:13:21

an idea of this. Which is

1:13:23

my hand reaching out the bugs

1:13:26

going up to Paul going

1:13:28

up to heaven. That's

1:13:30

actually Bug's actual

1:13:33

paw print. And then

1:13:36

the artist came and

1:13:38

put 2010 to 2024

1:13:40

on here. Can you show

1:13:43

us your lowest tattoo?

1:13:45

Yeah, I don't have a

1:13:48

lowest tattoo. So I'm

1:13:50

thinking about getting

1:13:52

another tattoo. Well,

1:13:54

really, why? What? What?

1:13:56

For? Oh, Kirby. Oh, Chris,

1:13:59

yes. jealous. I'm thinking

1:14:01

about getting a Batman tattoo

1:14:03

here, but I'm also thinking

1:14:06

about getting like all the other

1:14:08

dogs, you know, because I got

1:14:10

five dogs here, maybe getting

1:14:12

them put on the on the

1:14:14

calf muscle here. I got a I got

1:14:17

a damn good-looking calf

1:14:19

muscle, or an old man. Well,

1:14:21

can we see that? No. Why not?

1:14:23

Because I'm not going to stand

1:14:26

on my fucking head for

1:14:28

this podcast. Okay. Just

1:14:30

trying to make

1:14:32

conversation. Are you familiar

1:14:35

with, with Tupac's thug

1:14:38

life tattoo? No. Well, he

1:14:40

had a tattoo on his

1:14:42

stomach. Okay. That said,

1:14:44

thug life. And I'll get

1:14:47

Dave Silva to pull it

1:14:49

up here. But I think

1:14:51

you should get one, like

1:14:54

a Tupac-inspired tattoo.

1:14:57

Yeah, but instead of it saying

1:14:59

thug life, I know you don't

1:15:01

have any bugs, so you can't

1:15:03

say bug life, but you could

1:15:06

certainly say dog life. Yeah, and

1:15:08

I think you could get that

1:15:10

on your stomach. That would,

1:15:12

that would, I think that, uh, the

1:15:14

wooly just kissed, uh, Lord

1:15:16

Alfred. I, uh, I think that,

1:15:19

uh, no, I don't think I would

1:15:21

want a tattoo on my stomach.

1:15:23

I think that would hurt. The

1:15:25

tattoo on your arms are

1:15:27

annoying when you get a tattoo,

1:15:29

but they don't really hurt.

1:15:31

I think the stomach would

1:15:34

hurt. Hey, they're coming

1:15:36

up with it in the group chat.

1:15:38

Instead of thug life, you

1:15:41

should get the tattoo over

1:15:43

your stomach that says bug

1:15:45

life. That was the shirt

1:15:47

we sold, remember? Yes. We

1:15:49

raised money for angels among

1:15:52

us at rescue. And I got

1:15:54

a bunch of shirts say Bug

1:15:56

Life, so. I mean, I think that

1:15:59

would work. Now I'm not get

1:16:01

a tattoo on my belly. What

1:16:03

about your taint? No. By

1:16:05

the way, Laylani, Kai, and

1:16:08

Lois, has anybody ever seen

1:16:10

them in the same place

1:16:12

at the same time? Not at

1:16:15

all. By the way, Laylani,

1:16:17

Kai, from the right angle

1:16:19

in this era, 95, I feel

1:16:21

like she can be like Rebels

1:16:23

Ant. You know what? That's

1:16:26

a hell of a call. It's

1:16:28

like Rebels. Just in

1:16:30

family. Yeah, yeah. Tony, are you

1:16:32

saying that you won't even consider

1:16:34

this as a bug life

1:16:37

tattoo? I will not. I mean, I

1:16:39

think that would work. Well, I don't

1:16:41

have a six pack like that.

1:16:43

Well, okay. Here's what we'll do.

1:16:46

We're gonna sell a shirt that's

1:16:48

got it down there. Bug life.

1:16:50

No, but I'm looking forward to

1:16:53

seeing this match because I want

1:16:55

to see Wendy Richter and...

1:16:57

You know, one of the

1:16:59

things about the 80s

1:17:02

was, was Hulk

1:17:04

Hogan, wrestling, the

1:17:06

cartoon, right? Oh

1:17:08

hell, yeah, man. Yeah,

1:17:11

remember that? Absolutely.

1:17:14

And Wendy Richter

1:17:16

was part of

1:17:18

it. Who else? Was,

1:17:21

Junkyard Dog was a

1:17:23

part of that cartoon?

1:17:26

Wow. This is our co-main event.

1:17:28

This is the women's championship,

1:17:31

and this will be the last match

1:17:33

before Holcogan's match. So the rest

1:17:35

of this time, a lot of

1:17:37

time allocated for the main event,

1:17:39

some of the popular circumstance.

1:17:42

We had on Cindy

1:17:44

Lauper. Can you believe she's

1:17:46

not already in the WDB Hall of

1:17:48

Fame? Oh, my God. If the celebrity

1:17:50

wings, shouldn't she have been

1:17:52

one of the first ones

1:17:54

in? As I understand it, she's been invited

1:17:56

and has just had one do it.

1:17:58

Ask on the opportunity. Well, you know,

1:18:01

one of her great songs was

1:18:03

Goonies are good enough, right?

1:18:05

And for the Goonies

1:18:07

movie, and if you've seen

1:18:10

the music video, it has

1:18:12

a lot of wrestlers in

1:18:14

it. It's all wrestling based.

1:18:16

And even girls just

1:18:18

want to have fun. I

1:18:20

believe that they even have

1:18:23

wrestlers in it as well. That's

1:18:25

right. So she certainly did

1:18:27

use the wrestlers. And she's,

1:18:30

you know, hey, the Goodies, one

1:18:32

of the great 80 movies, 80s

1:18:34

movies. And I think it was

1:18:36

like 85 when it went out.

1:18:39

What's your Mount Rushmore of

1:18:41

1980s movies, Tony? Breakfast

1:18:44

Club. Oh, let's see. Pretty

1:18:46

in pink. Oh my God. Which was

1:18:48

such a bad movie, but so

1:18:50

well done. Alabama, good call

1:18:53

Dave McClay. Let's see who

1:18:55

else. What else would be in

1:18:57

the 80s movies. Back to the

1:18:59

future. Back to the future

1:19:01

is the correct answer I was

1:19:03

looking. Okay. Let's see. 16

1:19:06

Candles is another good one.

1:19:08

Oh, these are all Hughes movies.

1:19:11

Yeah. Well, that was, I mean,

1:19:13

wasn't that it? Wasn't the

1:19:15

Hughes movies? Was that the

1:19:17

80s? Right. I'm not arguing

1:19:20

it wasn't successful. Chris

1:19:22

North says I love

1:19:24

Molly Ringwald. I certainly

1:19:26

did. She was great. Let's

1:19:29

see what else in the 80s was an

1:19:31

80s movies predator That's

1:19:33

from Adam DeMoy you finally

1:19:35

came up with a good comment

1:19:37

And what about some Indiana

1:19:40

Jones shit? Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters.

1:19:43

I can see that yeah past times

1:19:45

a Richmond high. There's another

1:19:47

good one. Good call coach Keith

1:19:49

Rebecca's pretty 80s. Yeah, but

1:19:51

yeah, oh none's pretty 80s

1:19:54

W CW's all that for me

1:19:56

Batman, yeah, the original Batman was

1:19:58

1989 for that Batman. Yeah. Yold

1:20:00

the dreams. Yeah. Yold the dreams.

1:20:02

See, the best movies, the best

1:20:04

music. By far. For me. Yeah, but

1:20:07

there's something about Breakfast

1:20:09

Club that I just really, really

1:20:11

like. I don't know what it

1:20:14

was. Ferris Bueller's day off. Yeah.

1:20:16

Risky business. Dave McClays

1:20:18

at Howard the Duck. Good job,

1:20:20

Dave McClay. I don't know anybody else

1:20:22

would say that. But garden space.

1:20:24

There was, there were some

1:20:26

entertaining things die hard. Some entertaining

1:20:29

things about Howard the Duck.

1:20:31

I don't think so. I think it

1:20:33

was all that Leah, whatever her

1:20:36

name is, Leah Thompson. Yeah.

1:20:38

Yeah. Batman. Yeah. With Spaceballs, the

1:20:40

80s movies. I think it may have

1:20:43

been. Yeah. It was. Yeah. Hey Coach

1:20:45

Rosie wants to know, with all

1:20:47

your appearances on the Turner

1:20:50

networks, do you think you

1:20:52

have more appearances than Brave's

1:20:54

Legend Skip Kerry? Yeah, he's

1:20:56

probably got the most right.

1:20:59

Yeah There's daily wants to

1:21:01

know has Tony ever ate tuna

1:21:03

in his macaroni you ever had

1:21:05

some tuna helper like that? I

1:21:07

think they call it. No, no No, and

1:21:09

that's not my jam. I like

1:21:12

tuna salad. I love tennis salad,

1:21:14

but he did up tuna to me

1:21:16

was like blah. What about tuna

1:21:18

steaks? You're out of tuna

1:21:20

steaks. Oh, yeah, pretty cool on

1:21:22

that. Yeah, I like that seared

1:21:24

tuna steaks. the best. Darren Staley

1:21:27

wants to know if you'll play

1:21:29

F Mary Kill with Mr. Rogers,

1:21:31

Captain Kangaroo and Big Bird. No,

1:21:33

I won't. Well, I will. I'd kill

1:21:36

Captain Kangaroo. Uh-huh. I'd marry

1:21:38

Mr. Rogers. And you'd have

1:21:40

sex with Big Bird. I mean,

1:21:42

we already read a story about a

1:21:44

guy in Alabama banging out chickens.

1:21:46

So, I'm just saying, if, like, you

1:21:48

know, when you're with your guys

1:21:51

and you're at the bar and

1:21:53

everybody opens I remember I had

1:21:55

this girl back in college. Everybody does

1:21:57

that every now and again, stupid guy

1:21:59

talk. shouldn't or

1:22:01

whatever. But no, the word

1:22:03

of the day is big. We've

1:22:06

got some more good

1:22:08

movies, Rambo First Blood.

1:22:10

That's another great movie.

1:22:12

That made, that was big

1:22:15

time, good movie. Red Dawn

1:22:17

Dirty Dancing. And Dave

1:22:19

McClay wants to know

1:22:21

best bad movie. I think

1:22:24

that would be masters of

1:22:26

the universe, don't you?

1:22:28

Man, I wanted to love that as a kid,

1:22:30

but it was not that great of a movie.

1:22:32

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results. You know what Conrad? These

1:25:09

two ladies are working pretty hard

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here. I mean for 1985? Yes. You know,

1:25:13

we would eventually see women's wrestling

1:25:15

in W. That was arguably not

1:25:18

even as good as this. Right. And

1:25:20

they're doing it right here. I

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mean, La Lonique, I was a

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talented and ring performer. I think

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everybody agrees Wendy Richter left way

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too soon. She could have been a

1:25:30

much bigger star. I guess the idea is

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she didn't feel like she was being paid

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fairly, especially when she sees what

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guys like Kogan were making. And I

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get that. I don't know that she

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was necessarily a big box office,

1:25:43

but certainly she stood up for

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what she believed in. I guess as a

1:25:47

result her career was cut short but

1:25:50

in an alternate universe and

1:25:52

Wendy Richter was ahead of

1:25:54

her time was she not? Oh she

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was great she looked great and

1:25:58

this match here Bula got

1:26:01

involved. It was really cool the

1:26:03

way she got involved and now the

1:26:05

fans are standing up as as Langlani Kai

1:26:07

goes off with the cross body.

1:26:09

Good shit. Look at this. Rose are over

1:26:11

one, two and three are gonna beat her.

1:26:14

How about that? Sadly, her WWF

1:26:16

career is gonna end just a

1:26:18

few months after this. They're going

1:26:20

to double cross her. The fabulous

1:26:22

mula is gonna get under her

1:26:24

hood. Call herself the spider lady.

1:26:26

We've all heard about the Montreal

1:26:29

screen job. Well, here was one

1:26:31

in Madison Square Garden, right

1:26:33

around Thanksgiving. It was November

1:26:35

25th, 1985. Okay, that lady

1:26:38

crawling around with the sequence

1:26:40

jacket, she's the lady doing

1:26:42

Vince's bidding. And that's it

1:26:44

for her in the WWF. She'd pop up

1:26:46

a little bit here and there in Ohio,

1:26:49

and then later do some work with

1:26:51

the AWA. But kind of bring it to

1:26:53

a close in 1989. She takes all of

1:26:55

1990 off. Pops up for a few

1:26:57

little spot shows here and there in

1:27:00

91 and 93 and 96. But I

1:27:02

guess her last match now was 20

1:27:04

years ago. It was George South Jr.

1:27:06

The Patriot and Wendy Richter

1:27:09

taking on Amy Love, D.C.

1:27:11

Drake, Gary Royal at the

1:27:13

Russell Reunion 2 in King of

1:27:15

Prussia, Pennsylvania. But in

1:27:18

an alternate universe man, she

1:27:20

would have been a much bigger

1:27:22

star in a household name. She

1:27:24

wasn't going to put up a

1:27:26

venses bullshit anymore. So tell

1:27:28

me about that. I'm unfamiliar. I

1:27:31

think we're all familiar with quote

1:27:33

unquote the Montreal screw job. Tell

1:27:35

us about the the Mueller screw job.

1:27:37

What happened there? Well, the one out

1:27:40

there and held her down in the

1:27:42

ref counted three. I took off her. That

1:27:44

was it. She went to the back

1:27:46

got her bag left building and never

1:27:48

spoke to anybody there again. So she

1:27:51

didn't know she was going to do

1:27:53

the job. The job was

1:27:55

done for wow.

1:27:57

How about that?

1:28:00

Spider Lady, which by the way

1:28:02

is Lois's nickname on the

1:28:04

Facebook groups. Would not surprise

1:28:06

me. Spider Lady. Spider

1:28:08

Lady. There's 35 minutes left

1:28:11

as we're seeing some replace here

1:28:13

at the ladies in slow

1:28:15

motion. They're gonna go 13 minutes

1:28:17

and 34 seconds in this

1:28:19

main event, but of course

1:28:21

we've got some pomp and

1:28:24

circumstance before we get there.

1:28:26

Right. This show was an afternoon

1:28:28

show. Right. Actually, you and

1:28:30

I have not talked about this at

1:28:32

all. But I've recently decided,

1:28:35

I think it would be awesome.

1:28:37

And I know I'm in the minority

1:28:39

here. I think AW should run

1:28:41

Saturday or Sunday afternoon paper views,

1:28:44

but run afternoon shows. What do

1:28:46

you make of that? Well, I

1:28:48

think we're going to have one

1:28:50

coming up, aren't we? Yes, to

1:28:52

be here. Every all in that AEW

1:28:54

has had has been in the afternoon.

1:28:56

Right. Now I know when you guys

1:28:58

were in London, certainly running Wembley, that

1:29:01

was an evening show there, but here

1:29:03

in America it aired on paper view

1:29:05

in the afternoon. And I really like the

1:29:07

idea of the shows not going until midnight

1:29:09

or staying up late when a lot

1:29:11

of people have school or work the

1:29:13

next day. It feels like it's easier for

1:29:15

moms and dads to get in and out

1:29:18

of the building and get people home. But

1:29:20

even just from staying up late at a

1:29:22

paper view. I think that makes

1:29:24

a lot of sense to me.

1:29:27

And I know that this show

1:29:29

we're watching here, this very first

1:29:31

WrestleMania, it was a Sunday afternoon,

1:29:34

like a lipstick on Cindy

1:29:37

Lauper's teeth. That's right.

1:29:39

Yeah, she's a goof. She's having

1:29:41

fun with it. Yeah, well girls

1:29:43

just want to have fun. Oh,

1:29:45

God damn. Thank you. Well, you know,

1:29:48

I'm Ford. I like afternoon shows.

1:29:50

I, you know, the NFL. on

1:29:52

Sundays have afternoons, right? They

1:29:54

do big numbers. Yeah, I mean, this show

1:29:56

right here, it's crazy to think. I

1:29:58

think most people... or just conditioned

1:30:01

to wrestle many a being an

1:30:03

evening thing. But I think they should

1:30:05

have started it like one in the

1:30:08

afternoon. Yeah, you're probably right. And

1:30:10

you know what Madison Square

1:30:12

Garden was also used to

1:30:14

running afternoon shows with the

1:30:16

W. W. E. Back then. Because

1:30:18

the worst first one that I worked

1:30:21

was one o'clock show in Madison

1:30:23

Square Garden. So they did afternoon

1:30:25

shows back then. So

1:30:29

now the pump and circumstance.

1:30:31

So now the. Billy Robinson.

1:30:33

Now listen, there's some Billy

1:30:36

Martin. Sorry, my bad. Tell

1:30:38

everybody about Billy Martin

1:30:40

and his baseball connection.

1:30:42

I know that some of our listeners

1:30:45

aren't really baseball guys.

1:30:47

legendary Yankees manager

1:30:50

was and played second base

1:30:52

for the Yankees for a long,

1:30:54

long time. He was. He was hired

1:30:56

and fired by George

1:30:58

Steinbrenner many many times and

1:31:01

Had some great runs with

1:31:03

the Yankees not only as a

1:31:05

player, but as a manager unfortunately

1:31:08

Died in a single car crash

1:31:10

on Christmas Day And while you

1:31:13

were up there 1989 89 and

1:31:15

it was Yeah, I mean that's part

1:31:17

of my fandom too because

1:31:19

I was a I was and then he

1:31:21

went and was the Oakland

1:31:23

age manager I believe in 1980

1:31:25

and yeah and led the age to

1:31:28

the playoffs as well he was

1:31:30

a he was a fiery manager

1:31:32

maybe people remember for the

1:31:34

time that he and Reggie

1:31:36

Jackson at Fenway Park got

1:31:38

into an argument after look

1:31:40

like Reggie didn't hustle after

1:31:42

a baseball and he didn't

1:31:44

take any bullshit so that's

1:31:46

why in New York City and I

1:31:49

believe they even had his funeral

1:31:51

in New York City. that Billy

1:31:54

Martin was brought in

1:31:56

as a special ring announcer

1:31:58

for this. to be that

1:32:00

guy, but I've always been under

1:32:03

the impression that Billy

1:32:05

Martin's death was a

1:32:07

result of alcohol alcohol.

1:32:09

I think that's what either they

1:32:12

it's either known or they assumed.

1:32:14

I don't know. We're assuming that

1:32:16

you know that that is Liberace

1:32:19

out there with the rockets. Uh-huh.

1:32:21

Now this is this is some

1:32:23

shit right here guys, and they're

1:32:25

gonna do a little dance,

1:32:28

right? Yeah

1:32:30

Liberace is going to be

1:32:32

the special guest timekeeper. Martin is

1:32:34

the special guest ring announcer. Right.

1:32:37

And the special guest ring

1:32:39

enforcer slash referee is Muhammad Ali.

1:32:41

Right. The actual referee will wind

1:32:43

up being Pat Patterson. Now, as

1:32:45

the stories told, this was

1:32:48

Mohammed Ali advertised to be the

1:32:50

referee in the main event, but when

1:32:52

they got there, they realized, oh,

1:32:54

he can't really do this. So we'll just

1:32:56

have Pat sort of help him out.

1:32:58

Okay, good. You know, we've

1:33:00

buried the lead here as

1:33:03

we're talking a little bit

1:33:05

before this main event gets

1:33:07

kicked off. You had a

1:33:10

pretty interesting weekend.

1:33:13

Okay, FTR nearly gave

1:33:15

you a pile driver on.

1:33:17

How about that? A spike pile

1:33:19

driver. Yeah. And Nigel

1:33:22

McGinnis. Here I come to

1:33:24

save the day. And gave me

1:33:26

shit too, buddy. Oh, do you

1:33:28

want to tell us all about

1:33:31

how terrible and what a

1:33:33

bunch of nothing happened

1:33:35

in SOB's FTR or? Well,

1:33:37

I, yeah, Dax and

1:33:39

Cash are self-absorbed pricks.

1:33:42

And they are worrying more

1:33:44

about themselves than they

1:33:46

are, their friends, people

1:33:48

that helped them. I like

1:33:51

to think that I helped

1:33:53

their career. calling

1:33:55

their matches and making them seem

1:33:57

bigger than life because they have

1:33:59

been. I really love the fact that

1:34:01

when they came into wrestling

1:34:03

to AEW they wanted to bring

1:34:05

tag team wrestling back to what

1:34:07

it was by holding the ropes,

1:34:10

right? Yeah. Tag team ropes and make

1:34:12

it great tag team wrestling and

1:34:14

I thought they did. And then I

1:34:16

went ahead and said, gave my

1:34:18

opinion on Wednesday and they

1:34:20

called me in the ring on Saturday and

1:34:23

I just said don't go into

1:34:25

the ring and you know what? Here's

1:34:27

my thought by going to the ring.

1:34:30

What is it going to

1:34:32

do for them as wrestlers

1:34:34

to beat up a 67

1:34:36

year old fat ass announcer?

1:34:39

Right? For crying out loud.

1:34:41

So I thought for sure

1:34:43

I was Not to a

1:34:45

phrasier there too. I thought for

1:34:47

sure that I was going to

1:34:49

be safe, but they decided

1:34:52

to You know try to do

1:34:54

the stuff pile driver on

1:34:56

me knowing that my back is

1:34:58

a neck is very weak and there's

1:35:01

for a moment they're thinking

1:35:03

well I'm I'm a dead man

1:35:05

but then again here comes

1:35:08

Nigel McGinnis who by the way

1:35:10

is not only a great announcer

1:35:12

he was I think most of

1:35:14

you know he was named announcer

1:35:16

the year I think by Melzer

1:35:18

but Melcher's followers

1:35:21

but he and I are also very

1:35:23

good friends so he took care

1:35:25

of me and I'll never be

1:35:27

able to refame enough

1:35:29

for them. There. And, you

1:35:32

know, who knows what's going

1:35:34

to happen? Who knows they're

1:35:36

going to try to attack

1:35:39

me, but I can tell you

1:35:41

this, they can both kiss my

1:35:43

ass. Well, I'll never, I'll

1:35:45

never, I'll never, I used

1:35:47

to text Dax and tell

1:35:50

him how great so much

1:35:52

good for. Western North Carolina

1:35:54

and the floods that happened.

1:35:56

Remember during the during the hurricanes

1:35:58

and to see two guys just Let their

1:36:00

egos control everything they do

1:36:02

just blows me away. Hey Tony, you

1:36:05

know, you know, it's, um, it's not too

1:36:07

late. Yeah, no, I'm typing a podcast

1:36:09

with Shalani, but we were just

1:36:11

freestyle in here. Yeah, we still do

1:36:13

it. Yeah, I know, I can't believe

1:36:15

he's still there either. He's quit like

1:36:17

six times in the last year. Keep

1:36:20

it over. Okay. What I was thinking

1:36:22

is, but this is actually a

1:36:24

suggestion from the group chat here

1:36:26

tonight with a live studio audience.

1:36:29

And the suggestion was, what if

1:36:31

we had Nigel team up with Tony

1:36:33

Shavani, much like whole Kogan,

1:36:35

teamed with Maine Geno for.

1:36:37

We can just recreate those

1:36:39

vignettes with Nigel training and

1:36:42

trying to get Tony in shape. He's

1:36:44

already told us he's got it

1:36:46

litheates, he's taking us to the

1:36:48

gun show. What if we put Nigel

1:36:51

and Shavani in the ring against FTR

1:36:53

at all in? I know it's the

1:36:55

first stadium show. And I think.

1:36:57

I think that's box office.

1:36:59

Oh, you hang up on you? Yeah, I

1:37:01

don't think you like that. Good.

1:37:03

That's a terrible, I mean,

1:37:06

that's a solid idea. That's a

1:37:08

shitty idea. Hey, so we got,

1:37:10

we got Piper coming to

1:37:12

the ring arrogantly with the

1:37:15

bagpipes and I mean, they brought

1:37:17

out a whole Scottish band. Look

1:37:19

at all the media surrounding

1:37:21

the ring, like they're all

1:37:23

leaning. on the apron and here comes

1:37:26

I the tiger and the place

1:37:28

is going bananas. And you can just

1:37:30

see from the reaction. They must

1:37:32

be playing this theme song. So to

1:37:34

remind you, though, there's Vince McMahon

1:37:37

in the background, give us a

1:37:39

time code here. Well, you're a

1:37:41

different time code, aren't you? I am

1:37:43

indeed, but I'm watching whole code and

1:37:45

come through the backstage areas. He's

1:37:47

walking through what I guess is known as

1:37:50

guerrilla. We're all you people who

1:37:52

are with us on peacock. I'm

1:37:54

at 15044 4546 Hogan and Mr.

1:37:57

T just turned their back

1:37:59

to the cameras. What an

1:38:01

incredible moment this is. You

1:38:03

could probably feel the electricity in

1:38:06

the air. All this anticipation. They've

1:38:08

done so much media. They

1:38:10

were just on Saturday Night Live the

1:38:12

night before. You know, they've been

1:38:14

on magazine covers. They've done

1:38:16

every sort of talk show and

1:38:19

television show and radio interview and

1:38:21

Vince McMahon has pledged it all.

1:38:23

He's borrowed from Peter to pay

1:38:25

Paul and taken out loans and

1:38:28

over leveraged himself. Where if this

1:38:30

is successful, the WWF is in

1:38:32

the stratosphere, and if they're

1:38:34

not, well, I don't know what the

1:38:36

top wrestling promotion in the world

1:38:38

looks like, but I know it

1:38:40

ain't the WWF, I suppose it's back

1:38:43

to the NWA. Right. But here's what

1:38:45

he did. He took his former

1:38:47

top drawing baby face, superflos

1:38:49

nooka, put him in the corner

1:38:52

with one of the top acts in

1:38:54

Hollywood. And I know that some people

1:38:56

forget what a big piece of...

1:38:59

Americana and pop culture Mr.

1:39:01

T was, but he was more than

1:39:03

just on a team. I mean, he was

1:39:05

the other side of Rocky Balboa

1:39:07

in Rocky 3. So it's a

1:39:09

big opportunity and they're teaming together

1:39:12

against Roddy Piper and

1:39:14

Mr. Wonderful and it's sort of

1:39:16

offset Jimmy Snooka. There's Bob

1:39:18

Orton Jr. The cast on his

1:39:20

arm in their corner, but she's

1:39:23

also got Madison Square

1:39:25

Garden. You know, this is

1:39:27

a building. It's not just

1:39:29

synonymous with major wrestling moments,

1:39:31

but major boxing moments. Yep.

1:39:34

Some of the biggest fights in

1:39:36

Muhammad Ali's career were right

1:39:38

here. The Yankees and the Rockettes

1:39:40

and I mean, there he

1:39:42

is Liberace, but goodness gracious,

1:39:45

Muhammad Ali and Holkogan.

1:39:47

That's about as big as it

1:39:49

gets from a pop culture standpoint

1:39:51

for 1985. Really interesting

1:39:54

to think about. If this wouldn't have

1:39:56

worked, what opportunity that represents

1:39:58

for Jim Crockett. promotions

1:40:00

because I know we've talked about it

1:40:02

a lot on this podcast in particular

1:40:05

but in a weird way this is

1:40:07

one of the greatest contributions that

1:40:09

the Crockett family ever

1:40:12

had for professional wrestling

1:40:14

because had they not bought back

1:40:16

the time slot from Vince McMahon

1:40:18

for a million dollars Vince may

1:40:20

have come up short for this thing now

1:40:22

of course Jim Crockett Jr didn't know

1:40:25

that at the time but in an

1:40:27

alternate universe what if he'd have

1:40:29

said no? But it still worked,

1:40:31

but they have still pulled the

1:40:33

money together, convince have pulled this

1:40:35

event off. But Jim went down to

1:40:38

his local bank, showed their business

1:40:40

history, got that million dollar loan,

1:40:42

secured the TBS time slot for

1:40:44

his own promotion, and sent that

1:40:47

million dollar check to Vince

1:40:49

McMahon, and this is what Vince spent

1:40:51

it on. Wow. All those close circuit

1:40:53

locations. And remember now,

1:40:55

he's basically... borrowing Dusty's

1:40:57

idea for the big event and

1:40:59

doing closed circuit and he's

1:41:02

doing it with a fellow in

1:41:04

the main event who was on

1:41:06

that Starcade show of course famously

1:41:08

Greg the Hammer Valentine had

1:41:10

a dog collar match against

1:41:12

Roddy Piper at that Starcade

1:41:15

both of those guys are on the

1:41:17

show yeah it's wild to think about

1:41:19

it's it's it's a great point and

1:41:21

when when you think about a crock

1:41:23

getting the money to get on

1:41:26

TBS that went in to helping

1:41:28

fund WrestleMania One

1:41:30

or WrestleMania at that time

1:41:32

and what has become since then.

1:41:34

There's another thing you got to

1:41:36

think about too and I think

1:41:38

wrestling promoters all often thought

1:41:40

about this and I know that was

1:41:43

something that we had thought about.

1:41:45

I don't know if it's the when I

1:41:47

say we I'm not necessarily saying

1:41:49

the Crockett family. Maybe when

1:41:51

you're in your talk with David.

1:41:54

in the book that he brings us

1:41:56

up. I think everybody thought that

1:41:58

Vince McMahon of the WW F had

1:42:00

an advantage of being in the New

1:42:02

York market because it was

1:42:04

the biggest media market in the world.

1:42:07

No doubt. And anything that you

1:42:09

did in New York would have been bigger

1:42:11

than anything you could have done

1:42:13

in Greensboro, North Carolina.

1:42:15

And I think that had a lot, I

1:42:17

don't know how much it had to do

1:42:19

with it, but I think that had something

1:42:21

to do with it being in New York

1:42:23

City. Because back in the day, you know, you

1:42:25

had... The Carolinas, Florida,

1:42:28

and they had the

1:42:30

territory that was called New

1:42:32

York. This was called the

1:42:34

New York Territory, the

1:42:37

WWL. So this was the big

1:42:39

time. And Vince McMahon

1:42:41

Jr. made it bigger than life

1:42:43

and looked decades later,

1:42:46

40 years later, what the

1:42:48

WWE has become. A global

1:42:50

phenomenon. If I can, I

1:42:52

don't know if that's the right term

1:42:54

or not, but a global powerhouse

1:42:57

in entertainment. And it

1:42:59

all started on this day, didn't

1:43:01

it? This is the day it started.

1:43:03

It's a great story. It really,

1:43:05

really is. If you're curious,

1:43:08

there are a handful of people who

1:43:10

were on both shows. We mentioned

1:43:12

Roddy Piper and Greg

1:43:15

Valentine. Ricky Steambo and Bob

1:43:17

Orton Jr. Round out the Fearsome

1:43:19

for some for some. You were on

1:43:22

the very first arcade and the very

1:43:24

first russlemania. And I've heard this story.

1:43:26

I don't know if this is true or

1:43:28

not. Of course, Mr. Orndorf is not with

1:43:31

us, so I can't confirm this. But the

1:43:33

story I've heard is Vince went to

1:43:35

everyone involved in this main event. Of

1:43:37

course, he had to guarantee Mr. T

1:43:40

as a celebrity, exactly what he

1:43:42

was going to make. But as the story

1:43:44

goes, he went to Holkogan, he

1:43:46

went to Paul Orndorf. He went to

1:43:48

Bob Wharton Jr. He went to Jimmy

1:43:50

Snooker and he went to Roddy Piper

1:43:53

and he said, guys, I laid it

1:43:55

all on the line here, mortgaged my

1:43:57

house and everything else to bed on

1:43:59

this. And I need this to work.

1:44:01

Got all these close circuit locations

1:44:04

that I've got the added

1:44:06

expenses for, the paper view

1:44:08

time, the satellite time, the

1:44:10

marketing expenses is just a

1:44:12

gigantic undertaking. I need you to

1:44:14

trust me and be my partner. And

1:44:16

when all those revenues come in, I'll

1:44:19

take care of you and it'll be

1:44:21

your biggest payday you've ever made

1:44:23

in wrestling. And everybody went

1:44:25

for that, except Paul Orendorf, who

1:44:27

said, nope, I'll just take my

1:44:30

fee. And as the story goes, he

1:44:32

got his payoff and it paled a comparison

1:44:35

to what everyone else got. But

1:44:37

he was old school. Right. And

1:44:39

guys like Dusty Roads, you know,

1:44:41

trained diamondals page and

1:44:43

glacier, even his son Dustin.

1:44:45

And we get our money up front.

1:44:47

We get paid before we do anything.

1:44:49

I get that in wrestling sometimes

1:44:51

you got a CY and that

1:44:54

is the best practice. But Ordorf

1:44:56

did that to Vince and I don't

1:44:58

know the number. for sure, but

1:45:00

the number I've been floated

1:45:02

was that he made somewhere

1:45:05

around $12,000 for the match,

1:45:07

which don't get me wrong. It's

1:45:09

a good payday. Good payday,

1:45:11

especially in 1985. Right. See what

1:45:13

that looks like in 2025 dollars.

1:45:15

Do you have a guess what

1:45:18

$12,500 in today's dollar might

1:45:20

look like? Uh, 57,000 dollars.

1:45:22

It's actually a solid guess,

1:45:24

but 37,000 bucks. Okay, that's

1:45:27

still pretty damn good. 13

1:45:29

minute match 37 grand not

1:45:31

a bad day right but I believe

1:45:33

everybody else in the match got

1:45:35

a hundred grand plus wow well there

1:45:37

you go 70,000 dollar mistake well

1:45:39

shit 80 eight thousand dollar we

1:45:41

get Jason Taylor to get our

1:45:44

numbers together for us one is it

1:45:46

was short side of the Mr. Orndor

1:45:48

but to his point nobody

1:45:50

could have predicted the juggernaut

1:45:53

in the success that this would

1:45:55

become. I mean at this point

1:45:57

you know I mean how many wrestling promoters have

1:45:59

we heard? I love Jason. But if

1:46:01

it was 12, 5, it's 87,

1:46:03

5, but whatever, we get

1:46:05

you. Okay. I do think

1:46:08

it's interesting though that, you know,

1:46:10

nobody knew what this was

1:46:12

going to become. And in

1:46:14

this era, you know, Vince

1:46:16

McMahon is just quote unquote

1:46:18

junior. I know he hated

1:46:21

that. Right. But you know, I mean,

1:46:23

a lot of people have big

1:46:25

idea. How many right? I

1:46:27

had a conversation from a

1:46:29

guy who's been chasing me

1:46:31

for months and months for

1:46:34

a phone call and I finally

1:46:36

called him after I finished

1:46:38

recording the book with David

1:46:40

Crockett on Saturday and he

1:46:42

couldn't wait to tell me

1:46:45

all about his new wrestling promotion

1:46:47

and all that he was going

1:46:49

to do and he has all

1:46:51

these grand ideas. Yeah. Okay, I even

1:46:54

put it on speaker at

1:46:56

one point and Megan just

1:46:58

like wow, like wow, then I muted

1:47:00

it and I said, hey, if he

1:47:02

says here, birdie, birdie, I'm

1:47:04

hanging up. I got the middle

1:47:07

finger and she carried on.

1:47:09

Oh, dude, here, birdie, birdie, a

1:47:11

big part of our relationship

1:47:13

from now. It should be.

1:47:15

It should be. When I, if I ever

1:47:17

see her again, it's the first thing

1:47:19

I will say to her. She will.

1:47:21

If I'm there, she will slap my

1:47:24

arm. And I'll be like, I didn't

1:47:26

tell him that on the show. I

1:47:28

told him that in private. And

1:47:31

then stupid asked Coach Rosie,

1:47:33

I'll come up and go, here,

1:47:35

Birdie, or God. So let me

1:47:37

ask you this, in the history

1:47:39

of Wrestle, Vince was banking

1:47:42

on this thing doing big

1:47:44

business for him. Did it do

1:47:46

exactly what he thought, or did

1:47:49

it do more than he thought?

1:47:51

Okay. It went

1:47:53

beyond expectations in other

1:47:55

words. It exceeded all

1:47:57

expectations for sure. Monotarily. And

1:48:00

it enabled him to, I guess, able

1:48:02

to him to build an incredible

1:48:04

production facility and take

1:48:07

his television program around the

1:48:09

nation, or was his television program

1:48:11

all around the nation by that

1:48:13

time? Had he broken away from the

1:48:15

territories by that time? He was

1:48:17

already, yeah, he was already running

1:48:20

TV in these different territories. At

1:48:22

this point, he's bought out Georgia

1:48:24

and he's buying time in other markets,

1:48:26

which is why. you've got guys

1:48:29

from all over the country on this

1:48:31

show. I mean, you know, specifically,

1:48:33

Roddy Piper and Buddy Rose

1:48:35

in the Pacific Northwest and

1:48:38

Paul Orndorf and others from

1:48:40

Florida. And, you know, Vern, once

1:48:42

upon a time famously had Bobby

1:48:45

Heenan and Maine Jean and whole

1:48:47

Kogan. Yeah. And the Carolinas

1:48:49

Ricky steamboat. Yes. Yeah. There

1:48:51

you go. And Greg Valentine.

1:48:53

They already had the LJN action figures

1:48:56

at this point. They came out in

1:48:58

84. But you know, listen, let's

1:49:00

just be real. I don't think in

1:49:02

the bit, people don't spend enough time

1:49:04

talking about what a big deal that

1:49:07

is. I mean, look at what a

1:49:09

big business wrestling action figures are

1:49:11

and have been, but they

1:49:13

didn't really exist until LJN

1:49:15

in 1984. Yeah. And I mean, I know

1:49:18

that, you know, like the AWA had

1:49:20

those rimco action figures and so

1:49:22

forth and so forth, but. They were all

1:49:24

sort of following the lead of Vince

1:49:26

McMahon. I think those Remcoast

1:49:28

came out in 85. So everybody

1:49:30

was sort of playing follow the leader

1:49:33

here. So, you know, this is another

1:49:35

gamble, this closed circuit and

1:49:37

and paper view concept, but

1:49:39

it's not really creation. This one

1:49:41

is borrowed from Dusty Roads. And

1:49:43

I think that was one of the

1:49:46

reasons. And I don't know when to pretend

1:49:48

to be sort of half-ass

1:49:50

psychologists with my friend. But I

1:49:52

think that's one of the reasons Cody was

1:49:54

so fired up once upon a time to

1:49:56

do something outside the tent of W.

1:49:59

W. E. Because. his dad created

1:50:01

the big show and closed

1:50:03

circuit and pay-per-view with Starcade.

1:50:06

But that's sort of, you know,

1:50:08

to the Victor Go The Spoils,

1:50:10

the NWA didn't win, WCA

1:50:12

didn't win, the WWF did. So

1:50:14

we're talking about Wrestlemania

1:50:17

like it was the first one. And

1:50:19

really, it was the second one.

1:50:22

Yeah. Well, you know, it's

1:50:24

interesting, you say NWA didn't win. We

1:50:26

talk about wrestling like it's a

1:50:28

war. And of course in

1:50:30

the business practices you do

1:50:33

compete against the other business, but

1:50:35

is it really a war? I mean, I

1:50:37

mean, yeah, Monday Night Wars, I

1:50:40

get it, there's been books, there's

1:50:42

been documentaries, there's been everything.

1:50:44

And of course, the victors

1:50:46

always write history. That's right.

1:50:48

But I just wonder, I've often

1:50:51

wonder this, and maybe I'm wrong, and

1:50:53

I've never even talked to Tony

1:50:55

Khan about this at all, but. Should

1:50:57

we approach our business like

1:51:00

it's a battlefield? Like it's a

1:51:02

war? Or should we just try to do

1:51:04

the best that we can do without?

1:51:06

I don't know. I just, there's something

1:51:08

about that bothers me. Maybe I'm

1:51:11

too nice of a guy to think everything's

1:51:13

a war. Well, I will be honest

1:51:15

with you. I think Tony Khan at

1:51:17

times does feel like he should

1:51:19

just focus on his business and

1:51:21

I know I'm going to get some

1:51:24

clapbacks about that because certainly

1:51:26

he's, you know, you know, talked about

1:51:28

things on air and things

1:51:31

like that. But as

1:51:33

a reminder, he announces

1:51:35

that his show is going

1:51:37

to be on Wednesday. And

1:51:40

then W.W.E. announces, oh, well,

1:51:42

ours will too. So X.D.

1:51:44

Okay, it just happens to

1:51:47

be on the same night.

1:51:49

Right. Even all in, A.W.'s

1:51:51

first stadium show. Right.

1:51:54

Yeah, no, you're right. You're

1:51:56

right. It's and and and I

1:51:58

know because I've been involved with

1:52:01

it with the Crockets for a

1:52:03

long, long time. So I know,

1:52:05

I know what's going on, but I

1:52:07

just don't know if that is,

1:52:09

if that's the Christian thing to

1:52:11

do. I don't know if that's

1:52:14

the way you should approach your

1:52:16

business. Are you there to try

1:52:18

to do the best that you can

1:52:20

be? Are you there to try to

1:52:22

cut the nuts off of your

1:52:24

opponent? I don't know. Well,

1:52:27

I mean, I have to ask this

1:52:29

question. I think it comes down to

1:52:31

goal alignment. Do you think that Tony

1:52:33

Khan opened A.W. as a spite store?

1:52:35

Do you think he opened A.W. directly

1:52:37

to mess with W.E.'s company brand

1:52:39

or he wanted he opened it

1:52:42

up because Tony Khan is one

1:52:44

of the biggest wrestling fans I've

1:52:46

ever met my life. That's right. So

1:52:48

that's my point. Yeah. I think, you

1:52:50

know, it really comes down to your

1:52:52

intent now. If you have a stronghold in

1:52:54

the industry like WEE does, it does

1:52:57

make sense that you would try to

1:52:59

eliminate all of your competition

1:53:01

and maybe block them from

1:53:03

getting national TV and maybe

1:53:05

hopefully they don't record it and

1:53:08

then use it against you and then

1:53:10

your longtime lawyer retire. I mean

1:53:12

think about that. As far as

1:53:14

I know, Jerry McDivid only lost twice

1:53:16

once to the panda and once

1:53:19

to court bower. Isn't that wild? It

1:53:21

is. Who would have thought the panda

1:53:23

and court bower? What a combo.

1:53:25

A panda and court bower. Yeah,

1:53:27

walk into a bar. When does

1:53:30

Jerry McDivet say, check please? Oh, we

1:53:32

got a lot of shit going on

1:53:34

here now. Here we go. So Bob

1:53:36

Orton Jr. is on the top

1:53:38

rope with the cast. Roddy Piper

1:53:40

was coming to take care of

1:53:43

Holt Kogan, Mr. T. Cut him

1:53:45

off. Down comes Orton, but

1:53:47

Hogan ducks. and Orton hits his

1:53:49

own man with the cast. Now

1:53:51

Jimmy Snooka is stopping it. And

1:53:53

that's it. Holkogan has won and

1:53:55

WrestleMania is officially over. It's

1:53:57

all done now except for...

1:54:00

Hogan must pose. Jimmy

1:54:02

Snooka, Muhammad

1:54:04

Ali, Pat Patterson,

1:54:06

Mr. T, and

1:54:08

Holkogan. And you say

1:54:11

Holkogan must pose. That

1:54:13

was a big deal back then.

1:54:15

No doubt. There was talk

1:54:18

that that's what people

1:54:20

came to see. Holkogan

1:54:22

pose. And the music

1:54:25

hits. I am a real

1:54:27

American. Good stuff, man.

1:54:29

Well, of course, these

1:54:31

days they weren't doing

1:54:33

real American. They

1:54:35

were doing eye of the tiger,

1:54:38

I believe, where like, okay,

1:54:40

well, of course, yeah. And

1:54:42

Hogan just came off, when

1:54:45

was Rocky, three, where

1:54:47

he played thunderlips,

1:54:49

he was right. Let's see

1:54:52

the exact year. Rocky

1:54:59

3 came out in 1982.

1:55:01

Okay, so three years

1:55:03

prior. That's right.

1:55:05

So yeah, WrestleMania

1:55:08

1 was indeed

1:55:10

I of the Tiger a

1:55:12

survivor and as we know

1:55:15

that was also a Rocky

1:55:17

theme. And of course,

1:55:19

Rocky 3 was Mr.

1:55:22

T. Clever Lang and

1:55:24

it was a good one.

1:55:28

Boys and girls, we've had a

1:55:30

lot of fun watching the original

1:55:32

WrestleMania from 40 years ago. Restlandia,

1:55:34

of course, is coming up

1:55:37

this weekend, Saturday and Sunday,

1:55:39

but who cares about all that?

1:55:41

Tonight, AEW is live at MGM at

1:55:43

Fenway, and it's going to be

1:55:45

a pretty historic night. It's a

1:55:47

celebration for AEW. They are now the

1:55:49

longest. episodic weekly

1:55:52

primetime television show on

1:55:54

in the wrestling genre

1:55:57

on Turner networks. If

1:56:00

Atlasted Nitro, and they're

1:56:02

going to celebrate tonight. And

1:56:05

tomorrow night, you can watch

1:56:07

Collision live. As a reminder,

1:56:09

Collision will not be

1:56:11

head to head with Renite

1:56:13

One of WrestleMania. Collision is

1:56:15

a special Thursday night. And

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