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3:09

story relevant and timely like

3:12

I'm trying to tie in

3:14

the story with something that's

3:17

happening in the news or

3:19

something that's happening to me

3:22

personally but with this episode

3:24

I'm not even going to try. There is

3:27

absolutely nothing timely or newsworthy about

3:29

what you're about to hear. But

3:31

I will say this. This story? It's

3:33

incredible. It's just got so many

3:36

funny moments and so many

3:38

twists where you're going to be

3:40

like, wait, what? And then it

3:42

gets really sad and then somehow

3:44

it gets really positive and happy

3:46

again at the end. It's this

3:48

wild, weird, funny rollercoaster ride with

3:50

this perfect narrative arc and you are

3:52

going to love it. Okay, I don't think I

3:54

could pump this thing up anymore if I tried.

3:56

So I'm not going to do any more talking.

3:59

I'm not going to... spoil anything

4:01

about the plot. All

4:03

you need to know

4:05

is that this story

4:07

happened in a small

4:10

Australian country town called

4:12

Shepherton. It's about two

4:14

hours, maybe three hours

4:16

north of Melbourne. So I drove

4:18

up there to meet the protagonist.

4:20

A guy named Lawrence Hearn. All right,

4:23

let's do it. Here is Lawrence. I'm

4:25

happy to be here. So, so let's,

4:27

let's set the scene a little. This

4:30

all happened in 2014, right? What was,

4:32

what was, what was, just give me

4:34

like a bit of context. What was

4:37

happening in your life in 2014? Um,

4:39

oh, I've, I'd broken up with

4:41

the person I was seen. Um,

4:43

so being the, just the non-toxic, toxic

4:45

masculine man I was, I was just

4:48

going out drinking drinking all the time.

4:50

Yep. hanging out with friends and things.

4:52

Just a real romantic, like a sensitive

4:55

new age kind of guy. Just completely

4:57

different. Yeah. And recently gone through like

4:59

a job sort of shift and change

5:02

anyway. So wasn't really up to too

5:04

much. Ended up being out one night,

5:06

met some mature age ladies on a

5:09

girls weekend. Set the scene for me.

5:11

Like what were they doing and how

5:13

did you end up talking? Local club.

5:16

Sort of thing and yeah me being

5:18

the bit of a sensitive man and

5:21

things and just having a conversation Almost

5:23

similar to what we are now

5:25

just talking you know getting to

5:27

learn people about people and those ladies

5:29

And then a few months later one

5:32

of them actually found me on Facebook.

5:34

Wait, so you made a bit of

5:36

an impression. Yeah, apparently and I thought

5:39

well, that was just a nice conversation.

5:41

Good night a couple of weeks ago,

5:43

nothing happened, you know, no cheeky passion

5:46

on the dance floor or anything. Can

5:48

you, I mean, this person, this woman,

5:50

it becomes sort of significant. in this

5:53

story. So can you, not to, we

5:55

don't want to identify her, but you

5:57

know, just give me a sense of

6:00

like what you guys talked about. So

6:02

she was a business professional in Melbourne,

6:04

working, you know, corporate, absolutely stunning woman,

6:07

you know, doled up to the

6:09

9s in heels, nice dress, long

6:11

hair, gorgeous face like and good conversationalist,

6:13

which I think not a lot of

6:15

people generally have the time a day

6:18

for when you're... 18 19 years old

6:20

bloke in a country town at a

6:22

pub on a Friday or Saturday night

6:25

or whatever it was and she was

6:27

a bit older right she was significantly

6:29

older so I think she was 39

6:32

or 38 at the time when we

6:34

met and I hadn't even hit my

6:36

20s yet so obviously you were on

6:39

fire there yeah Were the friends pretty

6:41

stern about it? They're like, hey, buddy.

6:43

They were like, hey, she's married back

6:46

off, mate. And you just don't throw

6:48

a challenge like that out to a

6:50

young blow in a pub. Yeah. So

6:53

when you got this friend request

6:55

on Facebook, what was your response?

6:57

Oh. Luckily I was in private because

6:59

there was a few air punches and

7:01

a bit of a yeah, here we

7:04

go Just happy to have someone around

7:06

really did you stalk her on because

7:08

you're on Facebook, right? For me, the

7:11

first thing I'd have done is like,

7:13

well, let's have a little bit of

7:16

this husband's like as soon as you

7:18

get any friend request or Someone you

7:20

think you may know or might suggest

7:23

you know you're like, I'm gonna suss

7:25

this out. Okay. It doesn't matter if

7:27

you went to primary school high school

7:30

high school. It's been to being 15

7:32

years high school. It's been 15 years.

7:34

It's been 15 years or 15 years

7:37

or 5 years or 5 weeks.

7:39

And what did you suss out

7:41

about real world? There wasn't a whole

7:43

lot there and I was like, well

7:45

she's married. Yeah. As bad as it

7:48

is, I didn't really care. I was

7:50

like, I'm single. Yeah. You saw some

7:52

like wedding photos on Facebook? I think

7:55

so, yeah. So very... And I was

7:57

like, okay, like story confirmed, her friends

7:59

just weren't trying to get rid of

8:02

me. So very married. Yeah. And obviously.

8:04

Like, it's not for me to say

8:06

how her relationship was or this and

8:09

that. It's got nothing to do with

8:11

me or anyone else's life, essentially. You

8:13

can only hold accountable your own decisions

8:16

of what you do. So we sort

8:18

of began this calling, texting, things like

8:20

that, and it developed into an

8:22

actual relationship. And it sort of

8:24

went from there, you know, sneaky little

8:27

weekend trips away and I was living

8:29

in Marupna or Shepeton area. as I

8:31

grew up and so it was kind

8:34

of like yeah this sneak away for

8:36

a weekend I got plans like go

8:38

off-grid for a bit. What did you

8:41

like about her? It's going to sound

8:43

so cliche but the mature side. Someone

8:45

that's a good conversationalist. Like just really

8:48

it's nice to be heard and to

8:50

hear things. Yeah yeah. You know and

8:52

most people would. at the end of

8:55

the day, they've got that one person

8:57

they come home to and you go,

8:59

I can't wait to tell them about

9:02

this little thing or... and it might

9:04

be so insignificant about a customer

9:06

or something you saw or, you

9:08

know, an idea for the house or

9:10

something. So there was just a good

9:13

conversation, genuine connection and care, like really

9:15

sort of gave a shit and I

9:18

felt seen. Yeah. So we just went

9:20

from there, developed into a thing. And

9:22

what do you think she liked about

9:25

you? I think

9:27

it was also that conversation sort

9:29

of side and sensitivity. Sure. Like

9:31

having genuine interest, genuine care, like

9:33

it's not an empty conversation. Yeah.

9:36

It's like, hey, like, you know,

9:38

you're putting time into someone or

9:40

something, which I try to do

9:43

in every aspect, whether it's a

9:45

conversation with the checkout person when

9:47

you're doing the groceries or if

9:49

you're having, you know, a drunken

9:52

conversation at... two a.m. in a

9:54

nightclub which obviously left an impression.

9:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So things to

9:58

from there and yeah it was

10:01

blossoming into something real it wasn't

10:03

that sort of you know teenage

10:05

sort of fling where you're hanging

10:08

out with someone in a party

10:10

and maybe going it you know

10:12

for dinner or this and that

10:14

it was a very mature relationship

10:17

of dinner drinks future yeah like

10:19

elegant sort of not just getting

10:21

shit-faced and going back to someone's

10:23

house yeah yeah did the subject

10:26

of her marriage ever come up

10:29

It was a point of contention, won't

10:31

lie. Obviously she was not happy in

10:33

that and there was things that obviously

10:36

need to happen. You can't just turn

10:38

around and cut off your life with

10:40

someone and they had a child and

10:43

things and... Oh, there was a kid

10:45

involved. Yeah, which is obviously very touchy

10:47

and you want to do things the

10:50

right way. You don't just want to

10:52

turn around and go, hey, I'm shacked

10:54

up with some young bloke now. Yeah,

10:57

yeah. They had obviously their own marital

10:59

issues and things to do deal with

11:01

that's got nothing to do with me.

11:04

His life nothing to do with me

11:06

obviously and her life all I knew

11:08

that was when we spent time together.

11:11

It was us Just enjoyed it. No

11:13

cool hence hence what leads us on

11:15

to our next topic of the winery

11:18

So so I understand that one day

11:20

actually one morning you guys decided to

11:22

go out to a winery. Well, that's

11:25

a thing wineries normally aren't open at

11:27

night Unless there's some sort of event

11:29

which is dangerous Like, deliciously dangerous because

11:32

you're in the sun, it's the middle

11:34

of the day, and I think that's

11:36

why they're so, yeah, enticing, because you're

11:39

like, oh, it's an excuse to drink

11:41

a bottle of wine at 10 in

11:43

the morning, because the winery shuts at

11:46

four. Yeah, okay. Well, well, take me

11:48

into this particular trip to the winery.

11:50

So it's a local winery, out of

11:53

like, little home space, bit of a

11:55

cheese board, you know, some fruits and

11:57

wine paddles. things like that. We'd had

12:00

a few wines and got home back

12:02

to mine. place. So having a bit

12:04

of a shin dig sort of thing,

12:07

middle of the day, world's your oyster,

12:09

what could possibly go wrong? Yeah, it

12:11

seems like you're in a safe environment.

12:14

Yeah, the old Saturday morning sash. So

12:16

me being the prankster sort of jovial

12:18

character I am, always having a laugh,

12:21

this and that, you know, and everyone

12:23

loves a good jump scare. Like it's

12:25

just funny, it doesn't matter how old

12:28

you are. Yeah, you know, like you

12:30

hide in the cupboard or around the

12:32

corner and call someone into the room

12:35

and jump out and scare them. Okay,

12:37

that's a jump scare. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

12:39

And I thought, oh, gonna have a

12:42

shower and get organized and things to

12:44

go out to another bar or something

12:46

or go out for lunch. Yeah, sure.

12:49

So I thought, oh, this will be

12:51

hilarious. I'll hide in the big top

12:53

load of washing machine. Okay. You know,

12:56

it's a big. 7.5 kilo. There's no

12:58

agitator in the middle. Okay, cannot stress

13:00

that enough. There's no giant pole to

13:03

wrap around. Okay, right, right. So you

13:05

had this idea for a prank and

13:07

you go to her, hey, I'm gonna,

13:10

I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm just gonna,

13:12

I'm just gonna get organized, you know,

13:14

I'm just gonna get organized, you know,

13:17

I'm just gonna get organized, you know,

13:19

I'm just gonna go have a shower,

13:21

come join me in the shower shortly

13:24

anyway. So, so, so yeah. climbed like

13:26

up onto the sink and then put

13:28

myself into the washing machine like crisscross

13:31

legs climbed in and thought oh I

13:33

can't really get the lid to close

13:35

down but it's still open an inch

13:38

or two that'll be enough to jump

13:40

out and scare should have known how

13:42

dumb it was because I didn't even

13:45

have the shower running or anything. And

13:47

so you went completely naked. Yeah because

13:49

I was about to that that is

13:51

yeah maybe a bit of that wine

13:54

brain was oh this will be funny.

13:56

Strip off. She'll see the clothes on

13:58

the floor and be like, where the

14:01

hell is he? And climbed into the

14:03

washing machine. Like, I'm, like. putting my

14:05

knees up here, but you sort of

14:08

like your knees up and you sort

14:10

of need knees up. Always like you're

14:12

doing a bomb. Okay. Only not into

14:15

water, just into a giant metal basket.

14:17

Yeah, all right. And you didn't, you

14:19

didn't need to like lube yourself up

14:22

and then you're superizing. You just straight

14:24

out. I really should have. Okay. You

14:26

always forget the basics when you've been

14:29

to a whiner in the morning. Was

14:31

this uncomfortable? Was it immediately uncomfortable? It

14:33

was uncomfortable because it was so hot.

14:36

It was the middle of summer, like

14:38

probably a 38 degree day. All I

14:40

think I had in the house was

14:43

fans. Like no split system, no aircon.

14:45

So climbed in, thought, I'll spring open

14:47

and hiss are, it's all fun and

14:50

games, I climb out, have a shower,

14:52

we continue on with our day at

14:54

the hilarity of a jump scare. Yeah,

14:57

yeah, yeah. It did not plan that

14:59

way. It did not go that way.

15:01

What happened. It got in there fine,

15:04

like I said, like legs up, sort

15:06

of criss-crossed. And this is a top

15:08

loader, right? Yeah. Okay, so your head's

15:11

sticking out at the top? Yeah, hanging

15:13

out the top, like probably from like

15:15

the shoulders sort of up, because I

15:18

managed, I did have my arms crossed

15:20

and sort of tucked in to just,

15:22

just my little nog and hanging out

15:25

a bit, and then I was like,

15:27

sort of went to move and sort

15:29

of shuffle myself and thought, oh, I'm

15:32

a little bit stuck here. in this

15:34

thing, which I don't know why it

15:36

isn't a design spec. I'm going to

15:39

put that down to the company as

15:41

a floor. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, if

15:43

you climb in? Design better. Really hard

15:46

to get out. Oh yeah, all right,

15:48

yeah. So did you start to panic

15:50

or were you like, I'll scare a

15:53

first? And I was like, oh yeah,

15:55

I'll scare and then climb out. Then

15:57

I'll figure it out later. hilariously just

16:00

bursts into like tears laughter like what

16:02

the hell are you doing? Why are

16:04

you in the washing machine? Your clothes

16:07

are right there next to it like...

16:09

Why are you naked? What are you

16:11

doing? Oh my God, this young, drunk,

16:14

full of a man. And then, so

16:16

I tried to sort of rearrange and

16:18

I was like, all right, help me

16:21

out now. All right, that's enough fun

16:23

and games. Yeah, we had a good

16:25

chuckle and ha ha ha. And then

16:28

I was like, all right, help me

16:30

out. And couldn't really move my legs

16:32

or position. I was like, oh, a

16:35

little bit jammed. That's all right. Could

16:37

you get your arms up or your

16:39

shoulders are stuck? I had my arms

16:42

up from my shoulders upwards, but my

16:44

legs, it's sort of locked into place,

16:46

like from my hips because I was

16:49

criss-cross. So they were almost like just

16:51

wedged under the bucket and I couldn't

16:53

move my legs. Sort of thing. And

16:56

just to reiterate, there's no agitating. No

16:58

agitator. No. All right. So you're just

17:00

stuck in this drum. Yeah, just stuck

17:03

in a barrel. Okay. Essentially. Yeah. So

17:05

were you starting to freak out of

17:07

it? So obviously panics it in a

17:10

little bit. Yeah. And like I said,

17:12

it's hot, a little bit, quite a

17:14

bit drunk. Obviously not thinking rashly, stuck

17:17

in an awkward place slash position, like

17:19

it's bad enough if, you know, you

17:21

go down a tunnel or you're in

17:24

a tent or something and you're trapped

17:26

in one spot, it's uncomfortable. Yeah. It's

17:28

hard to rationalize and just think logically

17:31

when you get sort of that panic

17:33

mode like and the adrenaline starts to

17:35

pump in yeah, and so I was

17:38

sweating bullets like it was so hot.

17:40

I was so uncomfortable My joints were

17:42

locking up and I was like I'm

17:45

stuck you're gonna have to help me.

17:47

Oh man like a very fit like

17:49

woman as well like exercise and classes

17:52

and this and that And she couldn't

17:54

even grab me from the arms and

17:56

lift me out because my legs were

17:59

locked. Like he just won't move it.

18:01

Just could not. get up and enough

18:03

to get out. So after about, I'd

18:06

say 25 minutes, 35 minutes, I was

18:08

like, look, I think we're gonna need

18:10

to like, let's outsource this. Let's find

18:13

someone that we could maybe call. I

18:15

was like, well, my family's all at

18:17

footy, local footy, my brother played, my

18:20

dad was away, everyone's away. There's not

18:22

really people we can call on. Yeah.

18:24

I mean, I mean, you want to

18:27

keep this private. Hey, I'm here having

18:29

this extra marital affair with this person

18:31

from out of town and I'm stuck

18:34

in a washing machine. Like you can't

18:36

really throw that in an SMS and

18:38

you don't really want to throw it

18:41

in a voice message either. You do

18:43

not want to that writing. You do

18:45

not want any recording of that. No.

18:48

Yeah. No. This is it. So this

18:50

whole time. Imagine that your sense of

18:52

claustrophobia and panic was escalating while this

18:55

woman. The panic and fear in my

18:57

eyes And she thought I've never seen

18:59

this from this man. He's in trouble

19:02

Will you I mean talk to me

19:04

about that claustrophobia like what was it?

19:06

Not really claustrophobic. I think we Everyone

19:09

expects freedom to move and do what

19:11

they want like you don't want to

19:13

be in someone's house you leave. It's

19:16

the restriction of not being able to

19:18

do what you want. Yeah when you

19:20

want to do it so being trapped

19:23

in that space It's just, it starts

19:25

to send you into a panic. Like

19:27

even talking about it now, I'm like,

19:30

oh, remembering it. It's like, trapped in

19:32

that space. It was just absolute hell.

19:34

So I have a friend, and I

19:37

would say friend at the time, probably

19:39

loosely, he was an associate that I

19:41

knew worked in the fire brigade. And

19:44

I was like, call Luke, call Luke.

19:46

He'll have some sort of logic and

19:48

idea. you know, he's been in the

19:51

fire is forever. They probably did. with

19:53

this stuff all the time. All the

19:55

time. Yeah. Oh, we got another one.

19:58

Yeah. Code 7. Yeah. I'm pretty sure

20:00

it's probably renamed Code Lawrence or something

20:02

about it. Yeah, we got a full

20:05

stuck in a white good appliance. Yeah.

20:07

And he's like, mate, like, I don't

20:09

have any answers. He's like, my best

20:12

thing would be either call the SES

20:14

or the fire brigade. And you're just

20:16

going to have to explain to it.

20:19

And let it known. And I was

20:21

like. Yeah, no, that we'll figure it

20:23

out before it gets to that point.

20:26

Yeah, did not figure it out. I

20:28

did not figure it out. Another 20

20:30

minutes went by and I was like,

20:33

you get that damn triple zero on

20:35

the phone. I was like, you call

20:37

these people and I don't care who

20:40

they have to bring in. Yeah, all

20:42

right. So did you make the call

20:44

or did you? I think I got

20:47

her to make it because and also

20:49

I was like peeked drunk now because

20:51

it had all kicked in. All the

20:54

wine, all the sweating, all the panic,

20:56

just exacerbated the situation. I mean I

20:58

have to ask, like, did you just

21:01

piss in the bottom of the... No.

21:03

No. No. I've been, I've been good,

21:05

I've been piss-free since 2003, so... Not

21:08

had any accidents. Because after, yeah, 2020-23,

21:10

after a big morning of drinking at

21:12

the winery, you'd be forgiven for needing

21:15

desperately to piss. Yeah. I've, um... It's

21:17

something I've never been into. Sorry, it's

21:19

some, yeah, not, not wetting myself. Okay,

21:22

that's fair. Put it on a resume.

21:24

It's, no, again, again, you're this civilized

21:26

guy who's been washing machine at the

21:29

age of 19. Sophisticated. Yeah, right, okay,

21:31

all right, so, so you call the

21:33

fire brigade? Yeah, so, obviously, they find

21:36

it hilarious as well and go, yeah,

21:38

we'll be out. And this is like

21:40

local guys. Local guys that I know,

21:43

having worked in hospitality, they're guys that

21:45

I've served at the pub, people I

21:47

went to school with, that I know

21:50

from the local footy club. And obviously

21:52

it just goes out over the bend

21:54

with that they're taking a call in

21:57

a local residence, blah blah blah. And

21:59

this. This is what the situation is.

22:01

Like I said, it's hilarious whether you

22:04

are a child up to a 50-60-year-old

22:06

man. You're like, oh, I've been in

22:08

the fire as 25 years. This is

22:11

the best one yet. So I had

22:13

that many people turn up to my

22:15

house, like police, firefighters, ambulance, SES skies.

22:18

There was only I would say half

22:20

a dozen that actually helped. So it

22:22

would try and brainstorm and be like,

22:25

what are we going to do? Like,

22:27

let's lube him up, let's try and...

22:29

How many people shoot up at a

22:32

guess? I would say probably close to

22:34

30. Some of them were just volunteers

22:36

that weren't even on duty. They just

22:39

heard it on their scanner and went,

22:41

oh, that's round the corner, that's fucking

22:43

hilarious. I need to go and see

22:46

this. Thank God for not the rise

22:48

of, um... you know, Instagram live and

22:50

social media at that time. He was

22:53

still a few years off because I

22:55

don't know if I would have survived,

22:57

if someone is just on their Instagram

23:00

live, just like streaming the whole thing,

23:02

I'd be like, just let me die

23:04

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23:07

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so they would Yeah, I'd say

24:01

maybe an hour, hour and a

24:03

half of me just stuck in

24:05

this tiny little drum. Washing machine.

24:07

Yeah, washing machine and going, all

24:09

right, so how are we going

24:11

to do this? What are we

24:13

going to do? I was like,

24:15

I know you've got the big

24:17

like jaws of life sore. Just

24:19

go and cut the thing down

24:22

the middle. I don't give a

24:24

shit about like this thousand dollar

24:26

white goods appliance. Just get me

24:28

out. But at least let me

24:30

put my hand in front and

24:32

protect the other. little drummer boy.

24:34

Okay sure. I was like cut

24:36

it open. I don't care. They're

24:38

like not the sparks and obviously

24:40

close to your body. We can't

24:42

do this. We're gonna have to

24:44

sort of dismantle it. So they

24:46

sort of just like screwdrivers and

24:48

stuff. Yeah. And that would be

24:50

the most logical thing of taking

24:52

apart like that instead of just

24:54

smashing it with a hammer on

24:57

the side, which was their logic.

24:59

Is that what they tried to

25:01

do? Essentially. Yeah. It was just

25:03

like, like, okay, twist it sort

25:05

of walk it out. with me

25:07

still inside which obviously adds an

25:09

extra few kilos like white goods

25:11

are heavy enough as they are

25:13

have you ever tried to load

25:15

one of them into the back

25:17

of your yute or something by

25:19

yourself without a trolley yeah no

25:21

this is ridiculous really heavy so

25:23

sort of wheeled it out tipped

25:25

it on its side and broke

25:27

it open enough for the drum

25:29

sort of to be exposed and

25:31

no encasing around it and sort

25:34

of just boar. slid out the

25:36

side. And you slid out. Yeah,

25:38

because we had tried to put

25:40

olive oil, shampoo, lube, went through

25:42

every cupboard and thing I had

25:44

it. Yeah, so yeah, just sort

25:46

of slid out again like I

25:48

put it to almost similar to,

25:50

you know, and Harry Potter when

25:52

um... Voldemort comes out as that

25:54

slimy little baby thing. Yeah, yeah,

25:56

yeah, that was essentially me. So

25:58

this was like a second birth.

26:00

Yeah, I mean the first one

26:02

was pretty rough from what I've

26:04

heard, but yeah, yeah, yeah, but

26:06

you don't remember that one. Yeah,

26:09

but the moment where you just

26:11

were birthed naked and screaming covered

26:13

in all this goop. Oh, well,

26:15

no, no, it's any screaming. There

26:17

was no crying. Tears of joy,

26:19

maybe. Yeah, yeah. So, but the

26:21

worst part, the entire time, they

26:23

wouldn't give me a beer or

26:25

anything. either. They're like, no, no,

26:27

you're having a panic attack. It's

26:29

quite normal. I was like, I'm

26:31

not, I'm just going through alcohol

26:33

withdrawals. They, why not? Why wouldn't

26:35

they just give you a beer?

26:37

Apparently drinking alcohol in a dangerous

26:39

situation makes it more dangerous? I

26:41

don't know. Is this part of

26:44

like the fibrogade manual of how

26:46

to fibrogate? Yeah. Okay, everyone have

26:48

a beer and then start putting

26:50

this house out. We got to

26:52

loosenen up. So when they got

26:54

you out, was there like a

26:56

round of applause? There was a

26:58

few cheers and stuff, but like

27:00

I said, there was only half

27:02

a dozen people that actually helped,

27:04

and the other probably 25 were

27:06

just standing there like, ha ha

27:08

ha. Just taking photos. What an

27:10

idiot. Yeah, I'm sure there's probably

27:12

people out there that do have

27:14

photos. Yeah, I'm sure. So when

27:16

you slid it out of this

27:19

washing machine, what was your girlfriend's

27:21

response? Probably. But also, there was

27:23

a lot of panic of like,

27:25

yeah, don't take photos. Obviously, my

27:27

statement's not going to get published

27:29

because we had to keep all

27:31

that. Okay, she's freaking out about

27:33

her religion. She's like, yeah, out

27:35

of all the things, like, there's

27:37

some sort of issue or this

27:39

and that, like, oh, I'm meant

27:41

to be away in another state

27:43

doing a girls trip for this

27:45

hidden agenda. But turns out, yeah,

27:47

she's actually obviously there spending time

27:49

with me. So all these guys

27:51

that are taking photos, you know,

27:54

fireies with their little 2014 phones.

27:56

Nokia 3310. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't

27:58

taking... It wasn't that long ago.

28:00

Was she was she trying to

28:02

shut it down? She was like,

28:04

no, no photos. She was a

28:06

bit like that, which is fair.

28:08

I was like that. I was

28:10

like numb from the sort of

28:12

chest down and naked. I was

28:14

like, can we not photograph this

28:16

or at least get the good

28:18

angles? Let me roll over. Like,

28:20

yeah. So it was kind of

28:22

like, okay, it's done. It's dusted.

28:24

It's something hilarious that they can

28:26

go and tell their mates or

28:29

we went out to this job

28:31

this job today. And then did

28:33

you guys kick everyone out or

28:35

how it is? Essentially it was

28:37

like, oh he's safe, he doesn't

28:39

need you know medical attention blah

28:41

blah blah, keep up the fluids,

28:43

don't go to another winery this

28:45

afternoon and like yeah we need

28:47

to try and hush it hush

28:49

it. It was more so for

28:51

the sake of shielding her relationship.

28:53

Because as I said like you

28:55

have to go about these things

28:57

in the right way. No one

28:59

likes being hurt and rejected or

29:01

that something's coming to an end.

29:04

No matter how good or bad

29:06

it is. So it was very,

29:08

yeah, like let's keep these under

29:10

wraps. Yeah, absolutely. Sort of thing,

29:12

like, is as quiet as possible.

29:14

And we're like, oh, it's just

29:16

going to be localized. It's not

29:18

obviously going to make airwaves or

29:20

the project or every news outlet

29:22

across the country slash globe of

29:24

like this thing. like reporters hit

29:26

you up or like what were

29:28

you thinking about? That's what I

29:30

figured out I was like, oh

29:32

it'll be localized as in the

29:34

firefighters and like SES guys will

29:36

be like, oh man we had

29:39

this crazy job the other day

29:41

and maybe hear about it through

29:43

the grapevine over in the next

29:45

couple of months at like pubs

29:47

or this is what you told

29:49

yourself about like the nature of

29:51

your story it wouldn't get very

29:53

far. Yeah that's what I thought

29:55

like it's not. Like massive news.

29:57

Yeah, yeah, but it's funny, but

29:59

it's not it's hilarious. It's not

30:01

that funny. Yeah, but at the

30:03

time I didn't see it as

30:05

hilarious I automatically saw it as

30:07

like, I was like, oh, this

30:09

is damaging. A lot of people

30:11

were laughing at me, not with

30:14

me. And so this is all

30:16

to say that the story leaked

30:18

fairly quickly. Surprisingly quickly. Like what

30:20

was the first indication that you

30:22

got that it had been taken

30:24

up by the news cycle? I

30:26

reckon it was only a few

30:28

hours later, like late, I'd say

30:30

several hours later, that I had

30:32

a young journalist from the local

30:34

Shet Muse. calling me and messaging

30:36

me like and I'm a pretty

30:38

private person like being out in

30:40

public is one thing but then

30:42

no one knows sort of about

30:44

the home life and you know

30:46

I am a pretty sensitive guy

30:48

you know Legos plants designing stuff

30:51

you know having a nice home

30:53

comfortable space you know having soup

30:55

in winter on the couch and

30:57

just very low key and chilled

30:59

out. But obviously people form those

31:01

public perceptions of what they see

31:03

in public. So they see a

31:05

guy that can drink a lot

31:07

and was pretty wild. Sure. So

31:09

everyone just thought, oh, it's another

31:11

thing, it's another thing. Okay, right.

31:13

And yeah, getting that sort of

31:15

phone call and text message going

31:17

like, oh, we want to interview

31:19

you for this thing with not

31:21

even 24 hours later. And I

31:23

was like, oh, okay, but must

31:26

be a slow news week. And

31:28

obviously I know they have scanners

31:30

and they hear things over the

31:32

airwaves anyway, so I went oh,

31:34

yeah Okay, sort of thing, but

31:36

then snippets got taken and words

31:38

got twisted and things were cut

31:40

and edited together Right, and then

31:42

it was oh, how I'm trying

31:44

to contact blah blah blah, hi,

31:46

I'm trying to contact Lawrence. I'm

31:48

trying to contact Lawrence and it

31:50

went from different outlet to different

31:52

outlet So you were getting all

31:54

sorts of phone calls emails all

31:56

day Oh no I am. Yeah,

31:58

just to the point of like

32:01

almost annoyance. Were you excited at

32:03

first? Was there a part of

32:05

you? I don't think I was

32:07

excited about any of it. No.

32:09

Whatsoever, it was a real embarrassment

32:11

and shame. Okay, sure. Like, oh,

32:13

I've messed up and done a

32:15

drunken thing. Yeah. And I've been

32:17

trying to get my life on

32:19

track for months and months before

32:21

this. Sure. And then there's been

32:23

one little thing. And now it's

32:25

like, oh, you're on public display.

32:27

And now it. And now it's

32:29

snowballing. Yeah, and there was no

32:31

like monetary incentive. There was there

32:33

was nothing like that and people

32:36

go, oh, you must be rolling

32:38

in cash and oh, you think

32:40

you're fancy and you're better than

32:42

us because you and I went,

32:44

there's been no money changed hands.

32:46

There's been no paid me for

32:48

a picture or paid me for

32:50

a story or my opinion or

32:52

thoughts. And this lasted, would you

32:54

say that the sort of apex

32:56

of like a week or so?

32:59

I would say probably two months.

33:01

Two months? Two months? Two months

33:03

or three months. Because like I

33:06

said, I'm not a out there

33:08

guy, especially when that happened. And

33:10

I was in between jobs. So

33:12

it's not like I was going

33:14

out every weekend and living my

33:16

life out and about either. So

33:18

it had quite a negative effect.

33:20

I would still say even to

33:22

this day, it's quite negative. Okay.

33:24

Obviously my mental health that really

33:26

suffered. Sure. and also trying to

33:28

be a professional and you know

33:30

find work and go hey you

33:32

know like this is my skill

33:34

set this is the stuff I

33:36

can do when I think I'd

33:38

be an asset to your business

33:40

all of a sudden quick Google

33:42

search you're the laughing stock right

33:44

so it really undermined like my

33:46

career and things like that and

33:48

it was a really big struggle.

33:50

Was there anything positive that came

33:52

from it? Ships still kept going.

33:54

Yep. after that. Yep. How was

33:56

how is your girlfriend handling the

33:58

the storm? It was very tough

34:00

obviously on her and some of

34:02

the footage that someone took that

34:04

day actually showed her car with

34:06

the number plate and everything. Talk

34:08

me through this. This is significant.

34:10

I think it was on wind

34:12

use or something. Okay. Of a

34:14

little snippet of footage of outside

34:16

the man's unit that got stuck

34:18

in the washing machine and she

34:20

had a customized BMW. Distinctive. Very

34:22

distinctive. Not just like, oh there's

34:24

a Toyota in the driveway or

34:26

something, it was like, no, no,

34:28

like a very distinctive BMW that

34:30

she was known for in Melbourne

34:32

and especially showing the number plate

34:34

and things, like which I think

34:36

that's pretty journalism 101, if someone

34:38

says hey. I don't want too

34:40

much public in this and that

34:42

and then they just go and

34:44

do it anyway. Yeah. So obviously

34:46

if it's on the five o'clock

34:49

news, then the six o'clock news

34:51

and it's and it's rolling like

34:53

that for weeks. And then all

34:55

of a sudden it's like, hold

34:57

on, that car's in my driveway.

34:59

That's my wife. Oh, is this

35:01

what happened? And then obviously it

35:03

came to a head of, I

35:05

know you were there. There's footage

35:07

on national news of your car

35:09

in this blokesks driveway. You said

35:11

you're at Sanso's place. Bang. I've

35:13

got you like in the corner

35:15

now. So. So this is what

35:17

the husband. So the husband watched

35:19

the nightly news, saw the number

35:21

plate and accused the wife. I

35:23

mean, I reckon Stevie, Stevie Wanda

35:25

would have seen it. Okay, right.

35:27

Yeah, sure. Sure. Oh shit. So

35:29

what was the first that you

35:31

heard about this? Did she call

35:33

you up? Um. Yeah. So he

35:35

had a conversation. He was like,

35:37

look, blah blah blah blah blah

35:39

blah. And then when I was

35:41

on the phone with her, I

35:43

should keep getting these calls over

35:45

and over this. Same number. And

35:47

I'm coming to Shepherden, I'm gonna

35:49

kill you. Oh man. You better

35:51

be on the run, rara. I

35:53

was like, well, you've seen the

35:55

news, you know where my house

35:57

is. Like, it is what it

35:59

is, it's the situation. I'm not

36:01

gonna have a confrontation or a

36:03

fight with a grown man over

36:05

something, or the situation it is.

36:07

Did you try to downplay it

36:09

or apologize? Or were you just

36:11

like, oh, bring it on a

36:13

washing machine, I can handle you.

36:15

I think for a while it

36:17

was like, look mate, whatever. I

36:19

was like, it is what it

36:21

is. You just, you have to

36:23

deal with this emotional stuff on

36:25

your own. Yeah. And then it

36:27

got to the point and a

36:29

few things and he was becoming

36:31

quite abusive to her. And then

36:34

eventually it was like, look mate,

36:36

obviously you're not fulfilling things. You

36:38

need to turn inwards and look

36:40

on yourself. Okay, this is what

36:42

you said. If you were a

36:44

better person, this would have wouldn't

36:46

have happened. You know, throw a

36:48

bit of the sting back out

36:50

there. Like, distinctly I remember I

36:52

was at my parents for dinner

36:54

one day and this boy kept

36:56

going in my older brother got

36:58

frustrated with my phone just going

37:00

off. So he grabbed it and

37:02

he goes, is this that husband

37:04

that keeps calling? And I went,

37:06

yeah, yeah. So he goes, give

37:08

it here, snatch my phone, answer

37:10

it. And he goes, listen here,

37:12

obviously my brother's fucking your wife,

37:14

if you can't figure it out,

37:16

either come down here and try

37:18

and fight and I'll cave your

37:20

head in or piss off and

37:22

stop calling. And he didn't really

37:24

call after that. But I think

37:26

he realized there was a few

37:28

people around that were like, hey,

37:30

leave this guy alone. Yeah, totally.

37:32

And I was like, look, you

37:34

need to do stuff in the

37:36

correct stuff in the correct manner.

37:38

In the correct manner. No.

37:41

Not at all. I tried to

37:43

pause for like effect and be

37:45

like, no, I really regret my

37:48

decision. No. From what? Why didn't

37:50

you feel sorry? From dealing with

37:52

him over the phone, which I

37:55

understand is a very emotional, frustrated

37:57

and angry thing, but from what

37:59

I heard and what I saw

38:02

and things, he was... an art

38:04

hall. Like just plain as simple,

38:06

he was not a good husband,

38:09

he was not a good man

38:11

and you know what, don't wish

38:13

any ill will towards him at

38:16

all. I think whatever their relationship

38:18

was didn't work for whatever reason.

38:20

Yeah. And all the best to

38:23

him as long as he's, you

38:25

know, everyone's happy, safe, you know,

38:27

you know, enjoying life. without hurting

38:30

anyone else, that's essentially really what

38:32

it comes down to. Yeah, yeah.

38:34

It'd be very different if obviously

38:37

I was married and she was

38:39

married and we were being very

38:41

sneaky and things. Yeah. I'd feel

38:44

absolutely terrible and disgusted in myself,

38:46

but I didn't make any vows.

38:48

Yeah. It was a very turbulent

38:51

time in my life. And also

38:53

finding myself and dealing with mental

38:55

health and... I

38:57

met her when I was in

38:59

the very lows of a point.

39:02

So, and I'll always love and

39:04

respect her for that, that she

39:06

pulled me out of that and

39:08

still supported me. Yeah, nice. And

39:11

said, you need to get out

39:13

of this town and really, you

39:15

know, have a fresh start. And

39:17

that's what got me down to

39:19

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you left shepherding yeah to the

40:01

point like it was that bad

40:04

was that bad yeah couldn't get

40:06

a job anywhere for people just

40:08

laughing at me couldn't do groceries

40:10

couldn't just couldn't generally do anything

40:12

with life yeah right down to

40:15

the basics You know, going in

40:17

and buying bread and milk and

40:19

it's aha. So it was very,

40:21

very public. Yeah, yeah, yeah, very

40:24

exploitive. It sounds grueling. Yeah, yeah,

40:26

it definitely took a toll. And

40:28

do you know, do you know

40:30

what happened? So your girlfriend and

40:32

her husband, did they stay together

40:35

or do you know anything about

40:37

that? I know, they were, um,

40:39

obviously it came out. So I

40:41

think that was a bit of

40:43

the push. to go, no I

40:46

am divorcing you now. She divorced

40:48

him. Yeah. And said, look I

40:50

deserve better and I'm not going

40:52

to deal with this anymore. Probably

40:55

saved her a bit of the

40:57

hard conversation to bring up or

40:59

forced the hard conversation to happen.

41:01

Yeah. She helps me out with

41:03

getting to Melbourne and set me

41:06

up with one of her previous

41:08

colleagues that had a room to

41:10

rent. No way. In the area

41:12

and things because... I'd had job

41:14

offers in Melbourne previously and I

41:17

was always too scared and too

41:19

shy and what if I fall

41:21

and you know I don't want

41:23

to upset anyone or failing and

41:25

things so she really helped me

41:28

with that positivity of taking it

41:30

on the chin getting on with

41:32

life put me into a new

41:34

situation a new environment and really

41:37

supported me. She sounds like a

41:39

bit of a guardian angel. Look

41:41

she was absolutely amazing. We still

41:43

kept in contact after things sort

41:45

of split. Are you guys still

41:48

in touch now? No, not for

41:50

not for many years. She moved

41:52

on with her life and I

41:54

moved on with mine. Yeah. But

41:56

even then we still caught up

41:59

a couple of times after we'd

42:01

split in Melbourne and it was

42:03

just a general hey you you

42:05

really gave me the push to

42:08

divorce him and helps me see

42:10

the value of myself and I

42:12

said well you saved me by

42:14

pushing me to my best potential

42:16

as well of getting into higher

42:19

end food, nice cafes, the Melbourne

42:21

scene of food, and well yeah,

42:23

ultimately changed my life in the

42:25

positive of a new town, a

42:27

new environment, more lucrative career aspects.

42:30

Like if I had have stayed

42:32

in Shepard and I would either

42:34

be dead or in jail. Yeah,

42:36

right. Just the things I was

42:38

falling into, the alcohol abuse. I'd

42:41

never been into substances or anything,

42:43

but I know that I probably

42:45

would have gone down that path,

42:47

had stayed in the area to

42:50

just really try and escape reality,

42:52

essentially, especially if I couldn't get

42:54

work and things like that. I'm

42:56

a very outgoing, hardworking person. And

42:58

I think to be a chef,

43:01

you kind of really need to

43:03

go above and beyond and really

43:05

care. Yeah. Even like every time

43:07

you fail you still you keep

43:09

trying you keep trying you know

43:12

you go through it's a tough

43:14

environment. Yes. So working and stuff

43:16

and then you have a tough

43:18

environment at home as well it's

43:21

can be very very disruptive. So

43:23

in some ways in a very

43:25

roundabout way getting stuck in that

43:27

washing machine was one of the

43:29

best choices you made. Yeah. Yeah.

43:32

Probably. I've still not been out

43:34

to that winery though, even though

43:36

like I said my friend works

43:38

there now And he goes, do

43:40

you reckon they'd remember you? I

43:43

said, I don't think they'd remember

43:45

some young guy. I said, they

43:47

probably thought I was out there

43:49

with my mom. Yeah, right. Like,

43:51

we were going to have a

43:54

joint 21st and 40th, like that's...

43:56

Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. I can't

43:58

decide if this story is like

44:00

a comedy or a tragedy or

44:03

a strange hybrid of both, because

44:05

it ends positively, but then, you

44:07

know, there's that sad bit in

44:09

the sad bit in the middle.

44:11

I mean how do you how

44:14

do you feel about it these

44:16

days when you reflect? I think

44:18

I learned to deal with it

44:20

regardless because it did come out

44:22

when I was in places in

44:25

Melbourne and talking with people like

44:27

oh this new this new headchair

44:29

for this and that and obviously

44:31

social media had developed by then.

44:34

Yeah. So there was ebbs and

44:36

flows of it of positivity and

44:38

negativity negativity. Yeah. Some people saw

44:40

it. when I was like in

44:42

bars and stuff and they go

44:45

hey we heard a thing about

44:47

you and they go hilarious mate

44:49

at that time in the world

44:51

there was a lot of negativity

44:53

or buy you a beer and

44:56

then there was other people like

44:58

ha ha you're so dumb why

45:00

would you do this for our

45:02

and have these ideals and opinions

45:04

and I go that's great that's

45:07

your opinion yeah I don't sort

45:09

of let it sort of kick

45:11

me down or take me down

45:13

a peg anymore. It's sort of,

45:16

I think that's just growing up.

45:18

Yeah, as well. Yeah, like, you

45:20

know, being a young man at

45:22

the time, like I said, like,

45:24

what was 19? Yeah, when you're

45:27

19, like, other people's opinions of

45:29

you are really important. Oh, it

45:31

feels very personal. Yeah. And you're

45:33

going, oh, that random bloat down

45:35

the street that's got three teeth

45:38

pointed at me and laughed. Yeah,

45:40

that's right. I don't know. Good

45:42

for him for leaving the house

45:44

today. It's like it's it comes

45:47

in full circle. Yeah, that's all

45:49

right. Just I know it's it's

45:51

I choose to look at it

45:53

as a positive story. Yeah. I

45:55

mean you've come back to Shepard

45:58

and like given that it's some

46:00

right now and we're back in

46:02

Shepard and I'd say it's probably

46:04

the 10 year anniversary of this

46:06

going down. But you're back here,

46:09

you live here again. So in

46:11

some ways you move to Melbourne,

46:13

I can pass it. I live

46:15

about three or four houses down

46:17

from where the whole incident happened.

46:20

I'm like, yeah, full circle. It's

46:22

very, it's very full circle. Okay,

46:24

right, so two last questions, yeah.

46:26

What, what do you learn about

46:29

media retention? Obviously

46:31

be careful about what you

46:34

say, but just be genuine.

46:36

We see it all the

46:38

time with obviously things being

46:40

edited, things like that. But

46:43

if you're a genuine person

46:45

and you have genuine ideals

46:47

and things like that and

46:49

you're out there to really

46:52

just be positive. So be

46:54

careful about what you say,

46:56

but just be genuine. Be

46:58

a decent person. It

47:01

might make someone's whole day for just

47:03

the nicest little thing and it could

47:05

really change someone's life Yeah, yeah, yeah,

47:08

no, I think that's well put What

47:10

is your relationship like with washing machines

47:12

these days when you when you go

47:15

I don't mind doing the washing? It's

47:17

hanging it out. That's the pain You

47:19

never get the shivers if you're like

47:21

loading your clothes in and you'll look

47:24

your peer into the barrel and you're

47:26

like when you do like that big

47:28

light or washing of like the sheets

47:31

and stuff and they all tangle up

47:33

and you hear that goo goo goo

47:35

just PTSD yeah I feel like I'm

47:37

coming back from now but I start

47:40

going in the back of the head

47:42

on the couch I'm going it's happening

47:44

again someone hold me don't hold me

47:47

it's restricting it's restricting no I don't

47:49

mind it's restricting I buy now You

47:51

never know. You never know. I would

47:53

like to say I'll never get in

47:56

a washing machine again, but again, you

47:58

never know. never know. Yeah, it could

48:00

it could just be the right time

48:03

to do it properly. Like for the

48:05

right woman. Yeah, you would get in

48:07

a washing mission. I'd like to make

48:09

a mistake at least three to 17

48:12

times just to make sure because that's

48:14

science. You need to keep you need

48:16

to keep doing the same experiment and

48:19

see if the results are the same.

48:21

You just need to peer review it

48:23

with like future versions of yourself. I'll

48:25

invite people over next time. I go

48:28

to do it next time. I go

48:30

to do it. Oh man, this is

48:32

being unbelievable. This is one of the

48:35

wackiest stories that I've ever heard. And

48:37

I can't thank you enough. Wackiest stories

48:39

so far. Well, yeah, that's right. That's

48:41

right. Well, I might have to go

48:44

out for a drink tonight and go,

48:46

man, I can top this. Yeah, tumble

48:48

dry. But yeah, thanks so much for

48:51

telling the story. It's been hilarious. Thank

48:53

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