Finding the right tools is a key piece to any team or organization. But what if you dedication to Open Source means the tool doesn't exist yet?

In this episode, PJ sits down with founder and CEO of Kaleidos, Pablo Ruiz Muzquiz, to talk about how an initiative to build and innovate led to launching not one, but two Open Source products that are blowing the minds of their users: Taiga and Penpot.