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Hello and welcome to this week's

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What Most People Think and it

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is Trump 2, the sequel. This

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time it's personal, it might be

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very personal, maybe that's why Joe

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Biden issued so many pardons but

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joining me to sort of pick

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over the bones, the debris, the

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glitz, the glamour of the Trump

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inauguration is political expert Francis Foster

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of Trigonometry fame. So Francis are

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you out there in DC? Let's

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just pretend you are, fuck it

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we can. No yeah yeah yeah

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I'm not in North London, no no

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I'm in DC mate, I'm in DC

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exactly. Ignore that the foxes are

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still shagging outside my window. Maybe DC

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means downtown Croydon, I don't know

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but it's very good to have you

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with us. Did you watch it

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yesterday because it kind of happened a

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watchable time for people that do

1:02

our job which was after 3pm when

1:04

most of us are just pissing

1:06

about so it was quite easy to

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take it all in. Speak for

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yourself mate, the alt -right never sleeps

1:12

so if you'd have been truly all

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right you'd have been out there wouldn't

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you? I heard it was a fucking

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jamboree. Yeah it was, it was everybody

1:20

who is anybody who is flirting with

1:23

the alt -right was out there mate, I

1:25

actually did get an invite to go

1:27

but they're not right wing enough for

1:29

me now. The problem with the phrase

1:31

alt -right is normally it's a pejorative

1:33

and just another way of saying far

1:35

right but when they're the ones in

1:37

charge quite comprehensively, I don't know if

1:40

you can really call it the alt -right

1:42

anymore, I guess they're just the right

1:44

and then the sort of old -school

1:46

republicans that find Trump distasteful, they're now

1:48

the alternative right because that's what

1:50

it was supposed to mean wasn't it,

1:52

it's alternative and unless I've missed

1:54

something there. No it was, I mean

1:57

it was coined in what 2014 -2015,

1:59

Milo Unopolis takes credit for it. That

2:01

doesn't sound like Milo, when has he

2:03

ever done that? But yeah, so your right

2:05

was a term for this new right,

2:07

the sort of Trumpism, this populist wave of

2:09

right wing politics and thought and thinking

2:11

and all the rest of it. So yeah,

2:14

so that's how it started. And then

2:16

it then started to mean fascist or fascist

2:18

adjacent, which is what you are, Jeffrey.

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That's why I have you on the podcast,

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mate. You know, I've got to keep

2:24

my links to the Goose Step in Far

2:26

Right. Actually, that comes up. I mean,

2:29

what we're going to do is we're going

2:31

to look back on all the big

2:33

things that came out of the inauguration. We'll

2:35

look at the fund stuff, but we'll

2:37

also look at some of the policy stuff.

2:39

But one of the things that I

2:41

missed yesterday evening, but apparently it's been big

2:43

news is that Elon Musk was accused

2:46

of doing a Nazi salute. Now, if you

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watch the video, it didn't look, what

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it looked like was I think the guy,

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what do you think about him? He's

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a bit of a knob, right, Musk? He

2:56

just is a bit clueless. He's trying

2:58

to be with the cool lads and stuff.

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And he tried to do one of

3:03

those. I think what he tried to do

3:05

was where you sort of bang your

3:07

chest and you point and say, like, my

3:09

heart is your heart, all this sort

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of bollocks. But yeah, but some people think

3:13

there was a Nazi salute. Well, what's

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your take? Oh, look, if you think, look,

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what it was is an autistic man

3:20

trying to convey emotion, which is what it

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was. And because he's autistic, it comes

3:24

across as deeply awkward, because that's what autism

3:26

means. He's a genius, but he's also

3:28

awkward socially awkward. That's kind of how it

3:30

works. So he was mean to do

3:32

this. I punch my chest and I give

3:35

it out to you. And I love

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you and thank you for everything that you're

3:39

doing. Don't take a screenshot because it

3:41

looks dodgy, right? That's

3:43

what he was meant to

3:45

do in like, you know, America

3:48

and whatever else. And what

3:50

he inadvertently did was sort of

3:52

in, if you take a

3:54

snapshot at the correct time at

3:56

the correct angle, it looks

3:58

a little bit dodgy. And then

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what? happens is PBS and

4:03

a lot of left -wing publications

4:05

and broadcasters went, he did a

4:07

Nazi salute. It's like, even

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if he was a Nazi, which he

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very clearly isn't, he very

4:14

clearly isn't because Nazis won

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an ethno state and Musk

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has been out and proud

4:21

much to the criticism

4:23

of MAGA about wanting the brightest and

4:25

best to come over to America

4:27

and America should be a meritocracy and

4:29

we shouldn't just be prioritizing Americans.

4:31

It should be prioritizing brightest and best.

4:33

So that already shows you that

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he's not a Nazi, right? It would

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be an incredible decision, right? It

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would be an incredible decision with the

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world's media on you to just

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go, you know what? I feel like

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we're on top at the moment.

4:48

I'm just going to throw in a hyal

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Hitler and just and just see how how

4:52

that plays out. But look, I guess it's

4:55

one of those ones and we've seen this

4:57

in politics in this country whereby if you

4:59

have strong negative feelings about a politician, you

5:01

just view it through that prism. I remember

5:03

there was that. you remember that time when

5:05

Boris Johnson said people of color? And for

5:07

some reason, at first listening, it did sound

5:09

like he said colored people and it went,

5:11

it sort of went halfway around the internet

5:13

before people slowed it down and realized that

5:16

he absolutely did say people of color rather

5:18

than colored people. So I guess some of

5:20

it comes down to how you feel about

5:22

the people. But like I say, me and

5:24

Francis, we're going to chat about some of

5:26

the big news and moments coming out of

5:28

that inauguration. And we're also going to look

5:30

at Keir Starmer's message to President Trump. And

5:32

I want to talk a little bit about

5:35

how some people there's an increasing number of

5:37

people who I don't know, they seem to

5:39

be quite enjoying the idea of Trump

5:41

punishing Britain. So we want to talk about

5:43

this idea of like being anti Starmer,

5:45

but ending up at that point where you

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sort of want Tarris put on Britain,

5:49

which is a slightly different take on things.

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And then in the patron only, we're

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looking at the breaking news about this inquiry

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that the government have announced into the

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Southport murders. All

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middle name was John? Yes, but

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it was still a surprise to me when

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they said it because there's a very English part

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of me that goes, why is it bloody

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not called Jonathan? John is an

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abbreviation. Jonathan. Yeah, I mean,

7:00

that's a very untrumpy name to

7:02

be called Jonathan. Why would

7:04

do middle names? What's your middle

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name? James. James.

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You are Francis J. Foster. Yeah.

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It's good as a middle name, isn't it?

7:14

It's good. It works for home of J.

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Simpson, anyway. But yeah, we've talked many, many

7:18

different takeaways from the inauguration down to the,

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end and I will get round to doing your.

8:00

The main talking point, our Super

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David Patriot, David Dominion picks

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up and stuff from previous

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weeks, we were talking about

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phonetic call signs in the

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NATO phonetic alphabet. And there

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are several letters that are

8:14

commonly used first names, right?

8:16

So I give you the

8:18

first one, Francis, like Charlie

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is for C, right? Okay,

8:22

so can you think of any

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others? There are seven points

8:27

available here. Echo Foxtrod. I

8:29

mean you've completely fucked. What

8:31

are you? You completely fucked

8:33

that hotel. This is oh

8:35

my god. This is you've

8:37

really you've really embarrassed yourself

8:39

there mate. I said for

8:41

first names. So I gave

8:43

you an example Charlie. There's

8:45

a reason there's a reason

8:47

I didn't start with a

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you knob. All right, yeah, if

8:51

you're an R&B star, I'll give you

8:53

them. Charlie India, Julia, Mike, Oscar, Romeo

8:55

and Victor, well done to anybody, playing

8:57

along at home, they've got all seven.

9:00

I'd like to do my Richard Osman

9:02

impression. What about Sierra? Well, yes, I

9:04

mean, yes, there was an R&B star

9:06

called Sierra, but I would argue that

9:08

it's not a, it's the kind of

9:10

name you could only pull off if

9:12

you're an R&B start, you know, you

9:14

know, you can't do that work at

9:17

work at DVLA, and work at DVLA.

9:19

Census, so we spoke also about the

9:21

census for 2021, so we spoke about

9:23

the misconception among us liberal elites, and

9:25

I'll include you in that, Francis, about

9:27

just how many gay people there are.

9:29

People who live in cities tend to

9:31

overestimate the number of gay people, so

9:33

what would be your perception of

9:35

the percentage of gay people in Britain?

9:38

I mean, I've kind of led you a

9:40

bit there, but just as a percentage.

9:42

So the public perception is that

9:44

it's 10%? In reality I was talking

9:46

to a gay lad about this it's

9:48

about 1% at 1.3% at the last

9:51

census so that's even that's even lower

9:53

than I thought his gain is going

9:55

down what's what's going on let's make

9:58

Britain go again like magga but Let's

10:00

get on numbers up. Let's get it

10:02

up in more ways than one. No,

10:04

I think it is. I think it's

10:06

that, you know, people, being gay is

10:08

like being socialist. Everybody

10:10

wants to pretend like they're

10:13

secretly a little bit socialist. Well,

10:15

Lee, I'm a secretly a little

10:17

bit gay. But when push comes

10:19

to shove, and you've got to

10:21

get down to it. When push comes to shove

10:24

I don't know what image you have of gay

10:26

sex and a four is that what you think

10:28

the four players is a push followed by a

10:30

shove I mean I'll be honest with you I

10:32

wouldn't want to have sex with a bloke it'd

10:34

be two it'd be two do you know I

10:36

mean I'm not enough of a man to be

10:39

able to do it well yeah there was that's

10:41

great Steve Hughes routine he said that the most

10:43

manly thing that you could do would be to

10:45

is to fuck a bloke If anybody, I

10:47

don't want to butcher the routine, but if

10:49

you want to get yourself on YouTube, do

10:52

watch that routine. It's a brilliant bit of

10:54

stand-up. Also, I had, last week, I was

10:56

saying that there must be some right-wing green

10:58

party voters, right? It just stands to reason

11:00

that every kind of church of political thought

11:03

has a spectrum, and there must be some

11:05

right-wing greens. And I've got this really interesting

11:07

email from somebody called Ben. He said, I'm

11:09

a right wing green and you touch on

11:12

a point that infuriates me. Would it be

11:14

undeniable that the global climate is changing for

11:16

the worst? I'll get letters on that.

11:18

There will be people that disagree with

11:20

that. There is nothing more important than

11:22

us humans changing the way we generate

11:24

energy. This should be nothing to do

11:26

with politics. It is science. I find

11:28

it infuriating how green has been hijacked

11:30

by pie in the sky left wingers,

11:33

eh? Did you know that there were

11:35

Greens that spoke like this? Why does

11:37

the Green Party 2024 Manifesto talk of

11:39

rent controls? Why does it talk of

11:41

having a 10 to 1 pay ratio

11:43

in all organisations? Four day working week.

11:45

Completely opening the borders. Absolute fucking madness.

11:47

There you go. There's something. I would

11:49

love to have a beer with Ben.

11:51

A right wing green voter just sitting

11:53

there banging his fist on the table.

11:56

He's like us Francis, but he just

11:58

cares about the planet. Unlike us. Well,

12:00

you know, actually, if you're truly conservative,

12:02

and you think about the meaning

12:04

of the word conservative, it's to conserve,

12:06

to protect, to make sure

12:08

that things don't get changed too

12:10

much at too rapid a pace. But

12:12

also there are certain things that

12:14

make this country what it is. If

12:16

you think about, I think it's

12:18

Jerusalem, England's green and pleasant land. If

12:21

you were truly a conservative, you should actually

12:23

be an environmentalist like Margaret Thatcher was. Yeah.

12:26

Yeah. And you remember when Cameron got in?

12:28

They changed the emblem to a tree. Yeah.

12:30

They went a hug a hoodie. Do you

12:32

remember that with Cameron? Yeah. Robert Jemery and

12:34

Kenny Badenock have moved quite a long

12:36

way from that. But you know, that was

12:38

that was when I that was when I

12:40

got bitten by the conservative radioactive spider when

12:42

it was all made when you could be

12:44

socially liberal and economically right wing. Ryan

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do at mintmobile.com. right. The thank you and the fuck you. The thank

13:21

you is I did a gig in Canva

13:23

Island. It's impossible to say it without saying

13:25

it like that can be so did a

13:27

gig in Canva Island last Friday. And I

13:29

don't know if you've ever been there Francis,

13:31

but it's very it's separated by very small

13:33

waterway. I didn't realize it was an actual

13:35

island first up and it's a little bit

13:37

of a bit of the East End preserved

13:39

in Aspic forever more the most fast food

13:41

joints I've ever seen. So the one of

13:43

the main roads that goes through can be

13:45

it's just got so many fast food. It

13:47

was like the Las Vegas strip for cholesterol.

13:49

It was astonishing. Every 40 yards there

13:52

was a kebab chip shop pizza shop

13:54

and the way I so I went

13:56

to get my dinner at a curry

13:58

house right near the venue. which weirdly had

14:00

an R&B DJ playing live, which is

14:03

fucking weird. And then next to it,

14:05

had two Kibab shops next to it,

14:07

and a pizza place. So I think

14:09

if you live in Kambi Island, are

14:11

you aware of this over-concentration, does it

14:13

have an impact on your health system?

14:16

Is the mortality rate in Kafi worse

14:18

than in other parts of the country,

14:20

but also, when are you gonna make

14:22

it into a tourist thing? That's what

14:24

I would say. You know like you

14:26

do a famous a famous pub. just

14:29

get your BMI up doing the

14:31

Canvee Mile. Do you know

14:33

I'm in Wimbledon Village? You know

14:35

there's the Wimbledon Village

14:38

pub crawl? Yes. Do you know

14:40

who was the, I think it was

14:42

the bloke widely credited with

14:44

inventing that. Who was that?

14:47

On of a read. Oh yes

14:49

of course, yeah, it used to be

14:51

seen falling out of pubs up

14:53

in Wimbledon Village or they were

14:56

at the time. Yeah, I think

14:58

I did that on Saturday and

15:00

I'm still feeling it. But I

15:02

did it. I did it in

15:04

the cheap ass end of Wimbledon.

15:07

People just don't think that. People

15:09

think every bit of Wimbledon is

15:11

nice, but you know the area.

15:13

We ended up in the Prince

15:16

of Wales pub, which is fondly

15:18

known as the POW, for a civil

15:20

war. But they had a live band

15:22

on. It was fun. I'm

15:25

doing therapy at the moment.

15:27

Good. And I'm also meditating.

15:29

Wanker. Sorry I have to

15:32

say that. No, no, it's

15:34

good. It's good. It's good

15:36

for you. We're all glad

15:38

to hear it. So I

15:41

was thinking, what is, you

15:43

know, what is my fuck

15:45

you? And here's my fuck

15:47

you. I think my fuck

15:50

you is actually, everybody

15:52

who isn't honest about.

15:55

what is actually happening

15:57

in this country when it comes...

16:00

freedom of speech. When you look

16:02

at things like the Scottish hate

16:04

speech laws that have come in, that

16:07

they have criminalized public performance,

16:09

the fact that as part,

16:11

in November, as part

16:13

of Islamophobia. Islamophobia Awareness

16:15

Month, we are now openly

16:17

discussing, and the Labour Government is

16:19

very open to this, implementing

16:21

hate speech laws in this country.

16:24

And my fuck you is to the people

16:26

who want to bring that in to hear

16:29

Ali, go fuck yourself. And also,

16:31

the people who

16:33

are either celebrating it, or

16:35

even worse than that, the people who are apathetic

16:37

to it. I find it genuinely terrifying.

16:39

So how does this relate to you being

16:42

in therapy and doing meditation? Because

16:44

I'm trying not to get angry at it.

16:46

And I'm trying not to, when

16:48

stupid comedians online

16:50

go, there's no fucking

16:52

free speech go,

16:54

you are so stupid.

16:57

You were so

16:59

monumentally double digit thick.

17:01

Good. See, that's what I wanted to

17:03

do. I wanted to get you to anger.

17:05

You got there in the end. See? Yeah.

17:08

Don't do therapy, mate. Don't lose what you

17:10

really are. And I just sit there and

17:12

I just see them with their dribbling,

17:14

chinless faces. And I'm like, and I can't,

17:16

you know, but I'm not going to

17:18

get into arguments anymore online. It's not good

17:20

for me, Jeff. No, no, just go,

17:22

just go and meditate. I've done meditation sometimes.

17:24

And the thing is, is it does

17:26

generally work reasonably well. But when you do

17:29

the guided ones, they're always, they're always

17:31

saying to you, just lie down, lie down,

17:33

try and clear your mind. If stuff

17:35

comes into your mind, that's okay. Just welcome

17:37

the thought and tell it to fuck

17:39

off again. Like it's always that. And then

17:41

they keep telling you that stuff comes into

17:43

your mind. It's okay. And then they keep telling you to the

17:45

point where it sounds like it's not okay. Okay,

17:48

it sounds like I'm failing at meditation, just like

17:50

I'm failing at being a father. All

17:54

right, let's talk a bit of

17:56

politics now. We're going to start off with a deep dive

17:58

on everything that happened at the Trump in all duration

18:09

okay Francis political expert one half of

18:11

trigonometry the important question what did you

18:13

think of Melania's hat do you know

18:15

the thing that stood out I think

18:17

it was a very nice hat I

18:19

thought the kiss was a bit weird

18:21

yeah so the air kiss now first

18:23

up a lot of people on the

18:25

left immediately jumped on this as a

18:27

sign that she doesn't love him she

18:29

hates him and stuff but equally when

18:31

your missus is that made up I

18:33

think a lot of blokes will have

18:35

been there where she's like you keep

18:37

your distance you do not ruin this

18:39

look and also the brim of the

18:41

hat also created its own perimeter and

18:43

just for political balance there was an

18:45

image of him later planting a very

18:47

firm kiss on her cheeks so before

18:49

you go with your fucking fake news

18:52

okay Francis the trumps did share a

18:54

kiss right yeah so so that was

18:56

quite interesting but the thing that I've

18:58

the highlight for me was Jeff Bezos's

19:00

wife wearing a lovely lacy little number

19:02

you know reminding me of the glory

19:04

days of the works in Kingston in

19:06

the late 90s she's doled up again

19:08

a bird would come out you know

19:10

should be all doled up but you

19:12

know flashing a bit of flesh lovely

19:14

and Mark Zuckerberg giving a cheeky side

19:17

eye to it yes so people didn't

19:19

see this all the tech bros were

19:21

sat together sorry and who was the

19:23

lady was it but Jeff Bezos his

19:25

wife or she always misses I don't

19:27

know if she's his wife so they're

19:29

all sitting around and they all cast

19:32

a chick I mean yeah she looked

19:34

fantastic there was a sort of negligee

19:36

type thing and of course these days

19:38

I don't know we going to a

19:40

point where we are allowed to say

19:42

that we notice these things again because

19:44

I mean I think that the evidence

19:46

the people are noticing was quite clear

19:49

I mean on a more serious note

19:51

all these tech bros I was looking

19:53

at them Zuckerberg Musk and Bezos I

19:55

thought you've all been on a bit

19:57

of a journey with Trump haven't you

19:59

yeah Zuckerberg you banned him from your

20:01

site musky banding from yours Jeff Bezos

20:03

you've sort of campaigned against him must

20:06

campaign for a little while ago and they're all sitting there mate they're

20:08

all sitting there and look if people are pro- trump or whatever but you

20:10

have to view this with a certain amount of cynicism isn't it it's about

20:12

the preservation of control wealth and influence? Oh

20:14

absolutely. It's like, you know, when

20:16

Zuppberg went on Rogan's show and

20:18

was just going how he now believes

20:21

in free speech. I'm like, what? Now,

20:23

now you believe in free speech? No

20:25

when it actually mattered. Not when he

20:27

actually, you know, people were getting canceled

20:29

for saying things that then turned out

20:31

to be accurate about the pandemic. My

20:33

fucking therapy. Am I, you've just made

20:35

me angry again? This is the Francis

20:37

that we want, this is the Francis

20:40

we want. It was funny, you know,

20:42

like I don't think that the liberal

20:44

salty tears and the woke mind fire

20:46

and stuff, I don't think people lost

20:48

their shit as much this inauguration as

20:50

they did last time, apart from thinking

20:52

that maybe must did a Nazi salute,

20:54

but they were one or two standout

20:56

moments. Alistair Campbell did the obligatory, I

20:58

never realised the America was so white

21:00

tweet. So this was based on the

21:02

composition of people, I guess. on the

21:05

stage. I mean I didn't do the

21:07

numbers, I mean it was fairly white

21:09

but there were some non-white faces it,

21:11

but kind of the point was, was

21:13

that, you know, when there was the

21:15

Obama inauguration and a lot of the

21:17

artists who attended and sung were black,

21:19

like people didn't mention that, you know,

21:22

you either think it all matters or

21:24

none of it matters, and then the

21:26

other thing that people quickly pointed out

21:28

was the five people doing the restist

21:30

politics coverage US were all white. So,

21:33

you know, so people are able to

21:35

quite quickly present an image back to

21:37

him of his panel for the US

21:39

election. So, so you either care about

21:42

diversity or you don't. I mean, it

21:44

was interesting that I think a lot

21:46

of people would be surprised to see

21:48

that JD Vance, his wife, I don't

21:50

know what her heritage is, but she

21:53

is a, well, she's not white, you

21:55

know, and she's a woman of colour.

21:57

She can identify as whatever she wants,

21:59

Jeff. I mean, we'll get to that

22:01

shortly, but one of the funny moments

22:03

was, I don't know if you saw

22:05

when they had like the faith leaders

22:07

up, and they had like a rabbi

22:09

up, he did his bit, and then

22:11

the next guy, I think he was

22:13

like an evangelical Christian. I wasn't entirely

22:15

sure, but my God, he stormed it.

22:17

He was like, when the Lord, when

22:19

the Lord breathed and reigned out, he

22:21

rose up to the mansa. And then

22:23

I don't know who the next guy

22:25

was. I think he might have been

22:27

Catholic, but I was. We've all been

22:30

there when the previous guy stormed the

22:32

shit out of it. It reminded me

22:34

of, reminded me of following Kevin Bridges

22:36

in Glasgow. It's interesting that you said

22:39

that, like, you can't, when you get one

22:41

of those preachers up, it's, and you've

22:43

got to do a religious sermon, then after

22:45

that, you're just looking at your notes,

22:47

going, yeah, that ain't gonna work, that

22:49

ain't gonna work, nah, you can't match that

22:52

energy, do you know what I mean? He

22:54

just can't. Yeah, he was just like, I'm

22:56

just going to get my head down and

22:58

do my time. All right, they just got

23:00

me really. And I think that was actually

23:02

the point where the BBC coverage went back

23:04

to the studio, the ultimate insult. They were

23:06

like, yeah, I think this is done. It was

23:09

it was interesting as well, like the

23:11

proximity of all of it, whereby the

23:13

claustrophobic nature, because it was indoors, it

23:15

just brought the focus in on more

23:17

squarely on who was on the stage.

23:19

And it was quite a brutal thing

23:21

that Biden and Kamler Harris had to

23:24

sit within, you know, plain sight while

23:26

Trump's speech sort of chat on their legacy.

23:28

You know, some things he said were fair,

23:30

some things he said were like, you

23:32

know, this was some sort of year

23:34

zero for America and he was going

23:36

to do things that never been fought

23:38

about before. But... It was quite a

23:40

thing to have to just sit there.

23:42

I mean, you know, democracy does rely

23:44

on the loser's consent. So fair play

23:46

to them for, you know, playing their

23:48

part in the democratic system. But I

23:50

guess Trump, because of what happened in

23:52

2020, Trump never had to do that,

23:54

did he? He avoided that kind of

23:56

scrutiny. You know what was I found? It

23:59

reminded me of. I don't know, like,

24:01

because you struck me as quite

24:03

a good student, but when I

24:05

was in the midst of my

24:07

little prick year, should we say,

24:09

and I remember going to parents'

24:11

evening and then sitting down

24:14

with my dad and then my

24:16

maths teacher giving, you know,

24:18

a maths teacher giving a full

24:20

and frank assessment of my, shall

24:22

we just say, efforts in class and

24:24

saying how they had been less than

24:26

satisfactory. It kind of had that feel

24:28

to it. Do you know what I

24:30

mean? Yeah. Well, you're there and you're

24:32

like, oh, I mean, if God,

24:34

if Biden had actually known what was going

24:36

on, that would have been really hard for

24:38

him, wouldn't it? Yeah. I don't know what

24:40

he thought was happening. He was just like,

24:42

is that my own paranoia talking? Are we,

24:45

I mean, it is kind of, you know,

24:47

brutal. But Joe, I think Joe was like,

24:49

it doesn't matter. I've pardoned my whole fucking

24:51

family and everyone that's ever known me. I'm

24:53

going to be all right. Although interestingly, he

24:56

didn't pardon Nancy Pelosi. So

24:58

he exits office with some

25:00

of his own pettiness. All

25:03

right, let's talk about, like, more specifically policy

25:06

because there was a lot of focus on

25:08

these executive orders whereby he can't get all

25:10

of them through, but there's some stuff he

25:12

can do, some stuff he can make a

25:14

move on and see whether or not it's

25:16

overall by the courts or Congress or whatever.

25:18

One of the things he's done, did you

25:20

see the video of him withdrawing from the

25:23

WHO? No. No,

25:25

right. So he's in the process of signing

25:27

loads of them and somebody goes, he

25:29

goes, oh, what's this one? And he says,

25:31

Mr. President, that's withdrawing for the WHO.

25:33

And he goes, oh, a big one. And

25:35

it's just literally like watching a kid

25:37

opening presents on Christmas Day. I mean,

25:39

this is one thing. Trump was

25:41

he was even signing executive orders

25:44

on stage is kind of like

25:46

after party gig. It's just fucking

25:48

mental, isn't it? You know, I

25:50

went to one of the final

25:52

Republican rallies in Trump rallies in

25:54

Madison Square Garden. Do you remember

25:56

that one? Yes. We've hold.

26:00

on stage. So we, myself and

26:02

Constantine, went to watch it.

26:04

And then we were just sitting

26:06

there, open with Tony Hinchcliff, I'm

26:08

like, well this is different. So

26:11

Tony went on, did his set. And

26:13

then it was just, you know, you

26:15

just watched Elon must come on.

26:17

RFK Junior, Talsey Gabod. And it

26:19

was an arena, the Madison Square

26:22

Garden, and people were going wild.

26:24

And then a whole Hogan came

26:26

on the stage. And then he's old

26:29

now, so he couldn't quite rip the

26:31

shirt as robustly as he once was

26:33

able to and he was like, and

26:35

then he did a speech, none of

26:37

it made sense. And that got, that

26:39

went down the storm, the biggest, there's

26:41

no way you could follow that. And

26:43

I'm just there watching it going, can

26:45

you imagine this at the Conservative Party

26:47

conference? Can you imagine Kemi bad

26:49

or not going, you know what

26:51

we're going to do? We're going

26:53

to do the Conservative Party conference.

26:55

at the O2. They wouldn't even

26:57

be able to sell 200 seats?

26:59

It is a weird thing with

27:02

British American Potter. They do, it

27:04

does have a scale and a

27:06

glitz about it and Trump signing

27:08

executive orders on stage. I mean

27:10

literally turning what was used to

27:12

always be a fairly dull bit

27:14

of admin, international performance art and

27:16

then... lobbing sharpies out into the

27:18

crowd. I mean, this is the problem

27:20

is he lobs up this content for

27:22

us, but we should be. I mean,

27:25

even now, we're supposed to be talking

27:27

about policy, and we're talking about the

27:29

fear of it all, but let's drill

27:31

down into policy. I mean, there are

27:33

these tariffs on Canada and Mexico, which

27:36

are loosely supposed to come in on

27:38

the 1st of February. I mean, is

27:40

this really about avocados and maple syrup?

27:42

Or is this another lever on immigration?

27:45

and there's a border at the bottom.

27:47

Does he really want to do, you

27:49

know, make stuff more expensive or is

27:51

it just he wants to get them

27:53

to do things on immigration which suit

27:55

his agenda? I think that's probably

27:57

a large part of it. Not so much

27:59

Canada. board and it's an issue but it's

28:01

nowhere near as pressing an issue as

28:03

the Mexican border. Everybody knows that and it's

28:06

one of the main reasons the Dems lost.

28:08

When I was in America in November

28:10

and I was talking to people and

28:12

I try and talk to everyone I

28:14

actually find regular people far more interesting

28:16

than the commentary or the elites or

28:18

whatever you want to call them and

28:20

talking to cab drivers talking to people

28:22

working in shops, coffee shops, whatever and a

28:24

lot of them were going. I'm going

28:27

to vote Trump. And the two reasons

28:29

they gave was the economy and immigration.

28:31

And frequently, it was prefaced with the

28:33

words, like, I think he's a bit

28:35

of an asshole, but this needs to

28:38

be sorted and he needs to be

28:40

sorted as a matter of urgency. I

28:42

think that was the words that my

28:44

wife said just before she agreed to

28:46

marry me. I think he's a bit of

28:49

an asshole, but I do. Okay,

28:57

just a quick hype, a reminder. So you

28:59

know about my news about Times Radio, the

29:02

ITVX, Basic Bloke, Stand Up special, that's available

29:04

now. A lot of people have been watching

29:06

it. You can watch it on your big

29:08

telly. Oh Jeff on your big telly I

29:10

let my son watch a bit of

29:12

it Francis and you know it was

29:14

quite cool because he was sort of

29:16

impressed with daddy on the big telly

29:18

and then daddy started saying stuff and

29:20

then he was just looking at me

29:22

you know that weird way the kids

29:25

judged their parents like where the fuck

29:27

do you know that weird way that

29:29

kids judge their parents like where the

29:31

fuck you get off man but like

29:33

he's absolutely right I am you know

29:35

at my core piece of shit how's

29:37

your podcast going it's it's going well

29:39

we're we're you know it's uh we're

29:41

building it bit by bit i'm really

29:43

loving it is called Francis Foster sorts

29:46

your life out and what i do

29:48

is i get frequently comedians on people

29:50

who are the least qualified to sort

29:52

your life out yeah and we get

29:54

questions from our audience and you're gonna

29:56

help sort their life out Jeffrey i love

29:59

giving advice I mean that is, I used to

30:01

ask for it on this podcast, but people, because it's mainly listened

30:03

to by blokes this, I think it's about 75% blokes, I mean

30:05

like that, blokes just never take... that opportunity. They just, you know,

30:07

they don't want to tell you about their problems. They're like, I

30:09

don't even tell my own fucking family about my problems. Why would

30:11

I email what most people think UK@gmail.com? But I do miss them

30:13

actually. So if you've got any dilemmas, there was one, I think

30:16

we had one years ago that was a good funny one, was

30:18

about a guy that was in the power struggle with his stepson

30:20

who suddenly got taller than him. I love that sort of shit.

30:22

So email that in and then, and then, and then look out

30:24

for me appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing,

30:26

appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing,

30:28

appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing,

30:31

appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing on, appearing

30:33

on, appearing on, appearing on, appearing Okay,

30:41

we're just going to talk a little

30:44

bit about Kia Starmer and what Trump

30:46

now being empowered does for him because

30:48

Starmer did a video to Trump and

30:51

it was so funny I watched the

30:53

Starmer Welcome video like just after

30:55

I watched Trump's talking and the change

30:57

in pace and tone was fucking incredible.

30:59

It just went from a guy going

31:01

to village people to a guy go

31:03

everybody would like to welcome him. Trump

31:05

and it just felt like you know

31:07

where the podcast goes on 0.5 speed.

31:09

I don't know if people have been

31:11

commented on. Starmer speaks unbelievably slowly. He

31:14

speaks really slowly and there was just

31:16

no colour to it at all. There

31:18

was no, I'm not saying he has

31:20

to like, you know, I suppose he

31:22

could have gone super Trumpian, he could

31:24

have gone like, hey, let's get our

31:26

super hot wives together and party. Like

31:28

I'm not, that's clearly not his style.

31:30

But I suppose the thing with Trump,

31:32

if you want to want to want

31:34

to want to want to want to

31:36

want to want to be. You've got

31:38

to get his attention first. But that

31:40

is so out of character for Kiestarma.

31:42

What can he do, Francis? What can

31:45

he do to repair? You know, Trump's

31:47

clearly not a big fan, is he? What

31:49

can he do? Well, Trump isn't going to

31:51

be a big fan. Can you imagine

31:53

those boys hanging out? No. In any

31:56

normal, it's part of life. It just

31:58

wouldn't. Like, number one. Keir

32:00

Starmer is an Arsenal fan. That tells

32:02

you everything that you need to

32:04

know about Keir Starmer. And

32:06

I think, honestly, I think if

32:08

Trump, if he was a football fan,

32:10

he'd be Chelsea. I think it

32:12

might even be Millwall. No. No,

32:14

no, Millwall, he's successful enough. It'd

32:16

be Chelsea. It'd be Brash. It'd be

32:18

like, no, no, I reach. It'd

32:21

be, you know, rubbing people's faces in

32:23

it and undercurrent of violence and

32:25

nastiness, but nothing you can quite place

32:27

your finger on. I like Novo

32:29

Riesch. I think that's the best pronunciation

32:31

of anything I've ever heard. The

32:33

old Novo Riesch mate, the old Novo

32:35

Riesch. I think with Arsenal I

32:37

think Trump would have a better chance

32:39

of getting on with Gunasaurus than

32:41

he would with Keir Starmer. I think

32:43

he would just think Gunasaurus was on his

32:45

level. This guy's on my level, he understands,

32:47

he sees it this way. I'm working on

32:49

the impression by the way. Did

32:52

Starmer make mistakes in his appointments? Should

32:54

they have had more of an eye on

32:56

the possibility of Trump getting in? Because,

32:58

you know, David Lamme, there was history. But

33:00

all accounts that Lamme went out there

33:02

and Trump loves him. I've never heard Trump

33:04

say that he loves him, but that's

33:06

all coming from David Lamme. I've never heard

33:08

anyone say that they love David Lamme.

33:10

Yeah, I'm not sure it's a common feeling.

33:12

And then also, you know, we've not

33:14

invited Elon to the investment summit. Now,

33:16

I understand that occurred in the context

33:18

of the aftermath of the riots

33:20

and, you know, Musk was doing his

33:22

thing of sharing a variety of

33:24

stuff, some of which had a point to

33:26

it, some of which was unfounded bollocks. So,

33:29

Starmer didn't feel like he could invite him

33:31

to that. But there's are two decisions there,

33:33

which have created a lot of problems. So,

33:35

is he going to have to rely on

33:37

Farage? Well, this

33:39

is it. It's very, very

33:42

interesting now to see

33:44

how power and status in

33:46

politics changes. It's like the old,

33:48

you know, added says two weeks

33:50

is a long time in politics.

33:52

And I think Lamme was hedging

33:54

his bets that Kamala was going

33:56

to win, which just goes

33:58

to show how out of touch David Lammy

34:01

is. And what I find really interesting

34:03

now is how does Starmer position

34:06

himself? Because the reality is our

34:08

economy is in the toilet and

34:10

it's going and it's sinking day

34:12

by day. We need America far

34:14

more than they need us is

34:16

the brutal truth of it. So

34:18

what is Starmer going to do

34:20

in order to reach out? Bear

34:22

in mind they're so politically opposed

34:24

to each other. Not only politically

34:26

in terms of personality. I can't

34:29

think that they would be able

34:31

to maintain a conversation past five

34:33

minutes, but Starman needs to

34:36

do something because otherwise we

34:38

are going to suffer a lot

34:40

more. He's going to need Farage

34:42

basically. So the other side of

34:45

this right is I've noticed on the right

34:47

there are some people that are so happy...

34:49

that Trump is in power and they're literally

34:51

saying things like we're back you're like who's

34:53

we all right we're Britain they're the US

34:56

we have a close relationship I think you

34:58

might be getting a bit fucking carried away

35:00

here lads oh we are so back who

35:02

who the fuck is we I mean I

35:04

guess there will be cultural and political blowback

35:07

that they might be looking forward to but

35:09

there's another dimension to this where people are

35:11

sort of getting off on the idea of

35:13

Trump punishing Britain I've seen people who

35:15

during the Brexit years mocked for co,

35:18

you know when remainers were kind of

35:20

getting off on the idea of punishment

35:22

beatings from the EU? They're doing exactly

35:24

the same thing. There's so much of

35:26

what the online right are doing now,

35:29

which is just the mirror image of

35:31

what happened before, but the only difference

35:33

is now there in the ascendancy. Look,

35:35

there are aspects of Trump's agenda that

35:38

I understand why they'd appeal to the

35:40

right, but we're still Britain, you know,

35:42

the idea of him fucking us over

35:44

and us, suddenly going, ha, take that,

35:46

Labour Party have a massive majority. Starmer

35:48

is not going to go anywhere for

35:50

a while. So the idea that supporting

35:52

Trump as a means of unseating the

35:55

Labour Party and key estimates is just

35:57

not fucking realistic. So the only thing

35:59

that could really... happens that Britain

36:01

suffers economically as a result. Do

36:03

you find it weird? I actually don't find

36:05

it weird Jeff because what you're

36:07

basically talking about is people who although

36:10

they are on the opposite side of

36:12

the political spectrum but fundamentally they

36:14

are the same type of people. They

36:16

are the same type of people. I've

36:18

had arguments with these people. They'd come

36:20

up to me and they would just

36:22

say, this person, we need to get

36:25

rid of him. We need to destroy

36:27

his career. Like, you know, Alistair Campbell.

36:29

And I disagree with Alistair Campbell a

36:31

lot. And I actually think you should

36:33

be on trial for war crimes. But

36:36

they're going, yeah, we need to destroy

36:38

him. Well, all right. But isn't that just

36:40

what progressives did? four or five

36:43

years ago to people whose views that

36:45

they disagreed with. They'll go, no, it's

36:47

different. I'm like, well why is it

36:49

different? Well, because he deserves it. And

36:52

it's all the old days started, isn't

36:54

it? That's the impression I got that

36:56

I thought, you know, a few years

36:58

back. One of the sort of interesting

37:00

things about the cultural right was that

37:03

they were against censorship, they were against

37:05

ideological purity, and they were against cancellation.

37:07

But it turns out some of

37:09

those leading the ones leading the charge.

37:11

Because it's like all of these

37:14

people, what they actually want is

37:16

power and the ability to influence

37:18

other people's lives in any way

37:20

that they see fit. So when

37:22

they see people that they disagree

37:24

with, or that they say things way

37:26

off the reservation, which let's be

37:28

fair, lots of people do, on

37:31

both sides of the political spectrum,

37:33

they're like, yeah, let's fucking cancel

37:35

them. You can almost see them

37:37

become too missing in their rage.

37:39

Well beautifully worded see that's that's

37:41

the therapy mate that's the meditation

37:43

we've never we've never had that

37:45

sort of clarity from you before

37:47

but yeah look in short there's

37:49

a lot of stuff that Trump's

37:51

doing and you know you can

37:53

kind of like you can get

37:55

off on owning the lips but

37:57

if owning the lips means that

38:00

my shit cost more money and my

38:02

economy shrinks, maybe it wasn't worth it. Okay,

38:07

for the Patreon -only section now, we're

38:09

going to delve into the comedy goldmine

38:11

of the government promising an inquiry

38:13

into the Southport murders. If

38:19

you're on the Patreon -only section there, that was

38:21

a really interesting chat there about this inquiry that's

38:23

been announced. So remember, if you're a patron,

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you can go in, just get the RSS feed,

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you can get it straight to your podcast

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provider. But that is the end of the show.

38:32

Francis Foster, thanks so much for jumping on,

38:34

mate. How are you feeling at the end of

38:36

world? Do you need to go and do

38:38

a little meditation there? Yeah, just going to need

38:40

to go and kick a wall for an

38:42

hour, mate, after talking about that. When you said

38:44

therapy, is that what you meant? Just kick

38:46

the shit out of a wall. Yeah, and then

38:49

go to INE and wait 48 hours to

38:51

get my foot looked at. Well,

38:53

it's always a pleasure to have

38:55

you the show. Jeff, just one thing.

38:57

Can I plug up? I'm doing

38:59

a couple of shows with Leo Curse

39:01

on the 4th and 11th of

39:03

February in Hammersmith Comedy Club. Come

39:06

along. It's to be great fun. Okay,

39:08

there you go. Well, what's it

39:10

called? Is it got some sort of,

39:12

what's it called? Comedy -like? Comedy for

39:14

Nazis, I don't know. Yeah, because the

39:16

things they've done unleashed. So you've got

39:18

to go further than that. Comedy without

39:20

barriers. Comedy without, comedy with hate. Hateful

39:22

comedy. Hateful comedy. Yeah, that's what it

39:24

is. It's hate speech with punch lines.

39:26

That's what do. Hateful. I'll call it

39:28

punching down. That's what you should call

39:30

it. Boom, that's it. Punching down with

39:32

the older classes. All right, listen, thanks

39:35

very much for appearing on the show.

39:37

For patrons at the end of this

39:39

week, you're going to get your monthly

39:41

patron only edition of the show. And

39:43

then I'll be back next week for everybody else with the

39:45

main show. Cheers. Thanks.