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1:04

once again, my friends. We

1:06

have filled the house to capacity.

1:09

This is about a week ago in

1:11

Missoula, Montana. Thank you,

1:13

Montana. Thousands more are waiting outside

1:15

to get in. A crowd is

1:18

waiting to hear from

1:20

Senator Bernie Sanders and

1:22

Congresswoman Alexandria Okazio Cortez.

1:25

It's their fighting oligarchy

1:27

tour. But before the main event,

1:30

there was this other speaker.

1:32

And honestly... When

1:34

I heard what

1:36

she had to

1:39

say, I really

1:42

wanted to

1:44

bring her

1:46

on the

1:49

show. Her

1:51

name is

1:53

Sarah Nelson.

1:56

Good afternoon,

1:58

Missoula! sort

2:00

of like a training

2:02

session. So, Montana, turn

2:05

to the people around

2:07

you, commit to call

2:09

or text each other,

2:12

say, hey, there's a

2:14

Tesla picket. Let's meet

2:17

up there. Then, Sarah

2:19

did something else. For

2:40

a union boss, these are fighting

2:42

words. And I don't know about

2:44

you, but I'm not sure I

2:46

expected a flight attendant to sound

2:48

almost radical. But then I got

2:50

Sarah on the line. When I'm

2:52

standing there at those rallies, I

2:55

am saying, come join our union.

2:57

What I mean by that is

2:59

one big damn union where the

3:01

working class understands what side we're

3:04

on. Sarah

3:09

knows that the group of

3:11

workers she represents is small,

3:13

but she thinks their cause is

3:15

big. The reason that our pensions

3:18

were terminated, the reason that

3:20

our pay was attacked, the

3:22

reason that the eight-hour day

3:24

that we negotiated in 1946

3:26

went away in the United

3:28

Airlines Bankruptcy in 2003, is

3:30

because this has already happened

3:32

in other industries. And so

3:34

if we're not out... you

3:36

know, spending at least 5%

3:38

of our time supporting other

3:40

workers, we are going to

3:42

go down the drain with

3:44

everyone else. If you're a

3:46

regular listener, you know that

3:48

a couple months back, I laid

3:50

out my own case for a

3:52

strike, sort of like the one

3:54

Sarah's describing. The thing is, I

3:56

just don't hear other union

3:59

bosses using this. language so

4:01

freely, it almost seems like they're

4:03

scared. So I wanted to know

4:05

what made Sarah different. I have

4:07

so much to say about this.

4:10

So it's concerning that labor is

4:12

not the first thing out of

4:14

everyone's mouths. I mean, this is,

4:16

if you look at any resistance

4:18

to a fascist movement, it is

4:21

a labor movement that organizes it.

4:23

And is that happening now? We're

4:25

just not big enough, and we're

4:27

not acting urgently enough. Today

4:32

on the show, we're going

4:34

to talk about Sarah Nelson's

4:37

wild idea. The case for

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we get into things, a little about

6:31

how Sarah Nelson got to be Sarah

6:33

Nelson. She first got a job as

6:35

a flight attendant back in 1996. I

6:37

became a flight attendant because my friend

6:40

called me from Miami Beach and first

6:42

of all talked about being on the

6:44

beach while I was freezing in St.

6:46

Louis working for jobs. And then she

6:49

described the flight attendant contract and she

6:51

did not put it in those terms.

6:53

She didn't talk about the union, she

6:55

didn't say it was a contract, but

6:58

she talked about the pay, she talked

7:00

about the health care that was actually

7:02

negotiated for women because it was women

7:04

at the table negotiating it. So she

7:07

was like, this is a good job.

7:09

Yeah, and she's like, and there's flexibility

7:11

and there's also a pension. And you

7:13

can take the pension at age 50.

7:15

And I was like, whoa, our moms

7:18

are age 50 and they're super energetic

7:20

and they're still like, you know, I

7:22

could have a whole of their life.

7:24

I could go do this. And I

7:27

learned later that it was that union

7:29

contract that had been negotiated since 1946

7:31

since 1946. That's what really attracted me

7:33

to the job. And I got involved

7:36

in the union because the company screwed

7:38

up. They failed to pay me my

7:40

first paycheck and it was a flying

7:42

partner who wrote me a check to

7:45

get me through and directed me to

7:47

the union. And then you were hooked?

7:49

I was hooked. I was hooked. I

7:51

was hooked. I was also hooked on

7:54

the first day when these two 35-year

7:56

flight attendants, they had an argument in

7:58

the office with the supervisor about how

8:00

they were going to work the trip.

8:03

They won. They knew their contract well.

8:05

They were also very sure. So she

8:07

pulled me aside, meaning to comfort me.

8:09

And she had this really raspy voice

8:12

because we had just gotten smoking out

8:14

of our workplace. I mean, our little

8:16

union beat big tobacco. But she had

8:18

done her entire career taking in that

8:21

secondhand smoke. And she said, listen, management

8:23

thinks of us as their wives or

8:25

their mistresses. And in either place, they

8:27

hold us in contempt. And I'm like,

8:30

whoa. She was giving it to you,

8:32

huh? Yeah, I'm like, I don't know

8:34

about this. But then the next thing

8:36

she said really resonated with me. She

8:39

said, your only place of worth is

8:41

with your fellow flying partners. And if

8:43

we stick together, there's nothing we can't

8:45

accomplish. Wow. You became a national figure

8:48

in January 2019. At the time, the

8:50

federal government was shut down after President

8:52

Trump refused to sign a congressional spending

8:54

bill. Lots of people were at work,

8:57

lots of federal workers. and it impacted

8:59

air travel. TSA agents, air traffic controllers

9:01

were working without pay. And eventually you

9:03

made a direct appeal for a general

9:06

strike back in 2019. Absolutely. And so

9:08

as the government shutdown was going on,

9:10

we had transportation security officers who were

9:12

sleeping in their cars, not because they

9:15

didn't have a home to go home

9:17

to, but they were not getting a

9:19

paycheck and they didn't even have enough

9:21

money to... put a tank of gas

9:23

in their car. And what I realized

9:26

in that moment when that government shutdown

9:28

had gone on for twice as long

9:30

as any other government shutdown in history,

9:32

all of them are bad because it

9:35

stops everything from working. There's people who

9:37

are forced to come to work without

9:39

pay. It's ridiculous. Where do we do

9:41

that anywhere else? And in safety, the

9:44

first thing we learn is remove all

9:46

distractions. Well, what could be more distracting

9:48

for an air traffic controller who has

9:50

to retire at such a stressful job?

9:53

And then they don't know if they're

9:55

going to be able to make the

9:57

mortgage payment. Like that became very, very

9:59

clear to me. Well, I've seen this

10:02

shit before. You know, I know what

10:04

union busting looks like. It looks like

10:06

divide, delay, distract, and demoralize. And all

10:08

of those things were at play in

10:11

this moment. One eventually 10 air traffic

10:13

controllers didn't show up to work. And

10:15

just these 10 people calling out led

10:17

LaGuardia Airport to shut down. That's right.

10:20

But we had also already said that

10:22

we were preparing to strike and that

10:24

the entire labor movement should talk about

10:26

a general strike. So we were defining

10:29

this as worker power. We were taking

10:31

it away from politics, putting it in

10:33

the hands of workers. And then when

10:35

only 10 air traffic controllers said that

10:38

they could no longer safely do their

10:40

jobs, we said Mitch McConnell, can you

10:42

hear us now? And we had already

10:44

defined what this meant. And the reason.

10:47

that the government opened that day when

10:49

it couldn't, by the way, with the

10:51

same solution that they had not been

10:53

able to vote on for 35 days,

10:56

all of a sudden they approved it

10:58

within a couple of hours, is because

11:00

workers were taking control and if workers

11:02

got a taste of our power, we

11:05

were gonna upend everything and set the

11:07

agenda for our country and finally put

11:09

it in our hands and out of

11:11

the hands of Wall Street and the

11:14

capitalists. So that is why that shutdown

11:16

ended. I think things are so much

11:18

more complicated. Now, like everyone knows that

11:20

the Trump administration has been trying to

11:23

fire a ton of federal workers. My

11:25

listeners might not have clocked the fact

11:27

that the Trump administration is trying to

11:29

cancel the collective bargaining agreements with federal

11:32

employees. And it started with the TSA,

11:34

and then it spread a couple of

11:36

weeks later with the administration threatening collective

11:38

bargaining rights of almost every federal employee

11:40

saying it's a national security threat. And

11:43

when you don't have those rights, It

11:45

seems like it just drains the life

11:47

force of a union. And federal workers

11:49

already cannot strike, because if they strike,

11:52

they can be fired. They could also

11:54

never be rehired by the federal government.

11:56

Like there's a lot of risk to

11:58

striking. Well, not to mention the fact

12:01

that you have to look at what

12:03

the boss is trying to do. And

12:05

what the boss is trying to do

12:07

is to get people. walk off the

12:10

job. Yeah, exactly. It just seems like

12:12

this finger trap for workers, right, where

12:14

it's like the natural response would be,

12:16

we will strike because there's an existential

12:19

threat to our contract and our union.

12:21

However, not only can we not strike,

12:23

but also the boss wants me to

12:25

leave and not be able to be

12:28

rehired. We failed in 1981 to stand

12:30

with the air traffic controllers and what

12:32

that meant was a 40-year decline of

12:34

union membership. It meant attacking a union's

12:37

power, the right to strike. We should

12:39

just remind people about what happened in

12:41

1981. Like, you know, the air traffic

12:43

controllers struck and Roderagan fired 11,000 of

12:46

them. fired them, said you can never

12:48

work in the federal government again. That

12:50

was lifted later by Clinton, but people

12:52

had aged out of the job for

12:55

the most part. And others went to

12:57

jail. This was serious. And it sent

12:59

a message to all of corporate America

13:01

that the strike is a dirty word.

13:04

It's open season on unions. And we

13:06

all felt the effects of that by

13:08

failing to understand that that was our

13:10

moment to stand with the air traffic

13:13

controllers. You know, other unions said, well,

13:15

they endorsed Reagan, so screw them. Not

13:17

understanding that this was going to screw

13:19

us for the next 40, 50 years

13:22

and put us frankly in the position

13:24

that we're in today. And so now

13:26

when you look at what Trump is

13:28

doing to cancel the TSA contract, I

13:31

mean, they did that. hoping that people

13:33

wouldn't care because in general people don't

13:35

like going through TSA, but the rest

13:37

of the labor movement should understand. This

13:40

is the biggest attack in history until

13:42

he did it for another 700,000 federal

13:44

workers in different agencies saying that they

13:46

don't have the right to collective bargaining

13:48

because they're security sensitive, but exempting CBP,

13:51

border patrol. Yeah, exactly. They don't have

13:53

anything to do with security, but somebody

13:55

in the education department does, right? I

13:57

mean, it's the most absurd, ridiculous argument.

14:00

But what's more important here is that

14:02

they're doing it. They're saying to the

14:04

rest. of corporate America rip up union

14:06

contracts. This is the biggest attack in

14:09

history on the labor movement. What we

14:11

should already be doing is we should

14:13

already be striking. There should already be

14:15

a consciousness. And we're not there, okay?

14:18

So we're going to have to build

14:20

to that and we have to talk

14:22

about it. And we can't be afraid

14:24

to say it. You know, I have

14:27

been in union circles where people have

14:29

said, don't say the S word, the

14:31

S word. You say something like that

14:33

when you're like referring to something as

14:36

a swear word or a bad word.

14:38

Say strike, strike, strike, strike, strike, strike,

14:40

strike, strike, it feels good. Feel the

14:42

power for workers, my God. But it

14:45

also is scary. Workers are feeling really

14:47

vulnerable right now. Like I took a

14:49

flight to New Orleans and I asked

14:51

my TSA person. started crying right in

14:54

front of me, and then she started

14:56

talking about her son, the flight attendant,

14:58

and clearly they're all in this fragile

15:00

moment. And so it's like you're really

15:03

moving workers from that to something different,

15:05

when really they would be taking a

15:07

risk by striking. Sometimes there's nothing left

15:09

to do but fight. And Mother Jones,

15:12

Mary Harris. This is my namesake. Not

15:14

really. My parents did not know, but

15:16

yes, Mother Jones was named Mary Harris.

15:18

She's one of the most famous labor

15:21

organizers of all time. And in 1914,

15:23

after the Ludlow Massacre, this is striking

15:25

minors who were in a tent city

15:27

striking against the coal barons, just trying

15:30

to enforce the law. I mean, they

15:32

were taking advantage of immigrants. There were

15:34

28 different languages spoken in this tent

15:36

city. The coal barons had hired people

15:39

so that they couldn't speak to each

15:41

other. They were wholly focused on union

15:43

busting. You had to live in the

15:45

company house, see the company doctor. The

15:48

company had total control over you. And

15:50

they're striking. And then the Colorado National

15:52

Guard is called out. There's fire into

15:54

the tent city, set them a fire.

15:57

They killed 28 women and children and

15:59

other minors. You're not making this sound

16:01

appealing to me, Sarah. But Mother Jones

16:03

came there and she said, sure, you

16:05

last, because any time you're up against

16:08

bayonuts and you hold the Constitution, the

16:10

bayonuts win every time. But you will

16:12

fight and win, fight and lose, but

16:14

you must fight. Non-violently, just putting our

16:17

hands in our pockets stops everything. And

16:19

if people wake up to that power,

16:21

there are moments here that are going

16:23

to come where if we're talking about

16:26

this and we're helping people understand that

16:28

they can do something about it, if

16:30

you take a look at what happened

16:32

in South Korea when martial law was

16:35

declared and the unions led a general

16:37

strike there and everyone got in the

16:39

street, they stopped all of that and

16:41

they got rid of that dictator. And

16:44

it took a couple of tries. Yes,

16:46

that's why Mother Jones said you will

16:48

fight and lose, fight and win, but

16:50

you must fight. Every single time you

16:53

fight, you exercise that muscle and you

16:55

learn something from the fight. Plus, you

16:57

show that you're going to fight. We'll

16:59

be right back after a quick break.

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I was struck as I read how your

18:53

members are connected to all kinds of

18:55

things that are happening at the federal

18:58

level right now. Like, I'm wondering if

19:00

you can tell one of those stories

19:02

to my listeners. Like, for instance, my

19:05

listeners will be familiar with the fact

19:07

that the Trump administration is deporting people.

19:09

And one thing I didn't realize until

19:11

I was preparing for this interview is

19:14

how people being taken out of

19:16

the country are on chartered planes.

19:18

And there's a budget airline of

19:20

Ello. which announced it had signed

19:22

a contract with the Department of

19:24

Homeland Security. Little hitch

19:27

here, their flight attendants

19:29

are represented by you. So how

19:31

do you use a moment like that to

19:33

kind of build union power right now?

19:35

First of all, all workers, okay, so

19:37

I can talk about the people

19:39

that I directly represent, but this

19:42

this applies anywhere. The building trades

19:44

are waking up to the evils

19:46

of this mass deportation policy because

19:48

their member Kilmar has been deported

19:50

to El Salvador. Mistakenly, the Supreme

19:52

Court has said he needs to

19:54

come back and the Trump administration

19:57

is denying that. This is Kilmar,

19:59

Abrego Garcia. Yes, the building trades

20:01

that have been traditionally sort

20:03

of conservative and also think

20:05

that they can have access

20:08

and just sort of ride out

20:10

times that maybe you're not as good

20:12

for them, but they can they can

20:14

make the best of it. See that

20:17

everything is under attack. That's not going

20:19

to work this time. And they're, they're

20:21

starting to speak in more militant terms.

20:23

Yeah, I was struck by the fact

20:26

that a joint statement came out linking

20:28

Kilmar Obrago Garcia, who was working in

20:30

the building trades with graduate students who

20:33

had been deported. And it was two

20:35

or three unions, I think, releasing a

20:37

new thing. This is important. It's

20:39

linking people across class. It's

20:41

linking people across circumstances and across

20:44

unions. You know. Union members, they

20:46

can't improve their own conditions without

20:48

standing with the other people that

20:50

they work with. So there's an

20:53

automatic connection right there. In 2019,

20:55

we had a member who we

20:57

became aware had been detained by

20:59

CBP, sent to an ICE, it

21:02

was a private prison that she

21:04

was sent to for six weeks,

21:06

and all of the sudden... all

21:08

of our members who had been

21:11

sort of thinking that the immigration

21:13

policy was something that they wanted

21:15

or needed or were following

21:17

Trump suddenly saw the detainment

21:20

of this AFA member in themselves and

21:22

they could relate to it and it

21:24

broke through and we were able to

21:26

get her out. So are you looking

21:28

for those moments now? Yeah, absolutely. I

21:30

mean, we have to have people be

21:32

connected to what's going on. And that's

21:34

why you're seeing, you know, people who

21:37

seem to come from central casting of

21:39

a Trump rally standing up and yelling

21:41

at their members of Congress and saying,

21:43

what the hell are you doing? And

21:45

why are you not fighting for me?

21:47

You're attacking me. I fought for this

21:49

country, damn it. And your flight attendants

21:51

who are on these deportation flights. I

21:53

imagine they're seeing. Well, we're not saying

21:55

that yet. So those flights haven't started

21:57

yet for a villo. This has happened.

21:59

at other non-union carrier, we are saying

22:02

to Avelo, you're going to hurt the

22:04

airline, which is going to hurt our

22:06

members' jobs too, by the way, and

22:08

you're going to hurt the country. You

22:10

are going to be known as the

22:12

deportation airline. And that's what we're saying

22:15

to them right now. But we are

22:17

going to do a lot more organizing

22:19

around this. There's 67% of the flight

22:21

attendants that Avelo who have said they

22:23

will not work this flight. They do

22:25

not want to work these flights.

22:28

When I think about the problem

22:30

of a general strike right now,

22:32

what I think about is the

22:35

ask unions would make or even

22:37

the general public because if you're

22:39

involving lots of different people, people

22:41

who are not organized in a

22:43

union, the ask at the end of

22:46

the day is an open question and

22:48

that seems to me to pose a

22:50

problem for someone like you. Like there's

22:52

no shut down to end in

22:54

this moment in this moment in

22:56

this moment. So what's your ask?

22:58

Yeah, so in 2019, it was

23:00

very clear that it was one

23:02

demand, open the government, right? But

23:05

more and more people are getting

23:07

affected by this. And I mean,

23:09

I think that the demands are

23:11

pretty darn clear here, right? Reinstate

23:13

all collective bargaining agreements,

23:16

reinstate people to their

23:18

jobs, stop with the illegal

23:21

deportation and denial of due process,

23:23

and also We're in this place

23:25

because people don't have homes.

23:27

So let's let's enact the

23:29

economic bill of rights that

23:31

FDR put forward 80 years

23:33

ago It's really simple a

23:35

job with a living wage

23:37

a decent home health care

23:39

Protection against any disability or

23:41

unemployment or old age and

23:43

an education I mean those

23:45

are the demands and it's

23:47

really really simple and this

23:49

is what people want Simple,

23:51

but it sounds like turning

23:53

the American government inside out. Well,

23:55

yeah, but I mean, I think that we're

23:58

already winning on getting Elon Musk. out of

24:00

government. The takedown Tesla actions are having

24:02

an impact. He is saying, I'm going

24:05

to step away and focus on my

24:07

companies. Now, Doge is still running. They've

24:09

still got people in these different agencies.

24:12

They're still working the project 2025 plan.

24:14

But that's a win for working people

24:16

who went out and fought. That's a

24:19

win for the protesters. People are getting

24:21

their first taste of those wins. And

24:23

we also have members of Congress who

24:26

are suddenly saying, you know what, these

24:28

big rallies that are happening. People in

24:30

my district are waking up to what

24:32

we're voting for and I don't think

24:35

I can vote to get rid of

24:37

Medicaid anymore There's all kinds of problems

24:39

here and we can build upon that

24:42

to help to continue to define the

24:44

problem Which brings more and more people

24:46

out gets more and more people mad

24:48

and you start building towards those demands

24:51

and the demands are built really clearly

24:53

when you're defining all the problems

24:55

that exist How will you know we're ready

24:57

to hit the streets? Oh So we run

25:00

our strikes as chaos strikes. Okay,

25:02

what is a chaos strike? It's

25:04

an acronym, create havoc around our

25:06

system, and it was developed in

25:09

response to Carl Icon firing all

25:11

of the TWA strikers in the

25:13

late 80s. And we knew that

25:16

we had to have another strategy

25:18

with our strikes. We couldn't just

25:20

do a traditional strike. They knew

25:23

how to break a flight attendant

25:25

strike. They could replace people. And

25:27

so... We created chaos strikes because in the

25:30

Railway Labor Act, we actually have the ability

25:32

to do intermittent strikes. And so what we

25:34

added to it was an element of surprise.

25:36

And we said, we're not going to tell

25:38

you when or where we're going to strike.

25:40

We could strike anywhere at any time. And

25:42

at Alaska Airlines, we ended up only striking

25:45

seven flights. And we brought the airline to

25:47

their knees. And a contract that gave most

25:49

of the flight attendants a 60% raise. So

25:51

you're not going to tell me when

25:53

you'll know. I'm not. It's a secret

25:56

plan. And listen, we're talking about this

25:58

already, but the element of surprise. The

26:00

whole idea here is that working

26:02

people are taking control and setting

26:04

the agenda. And so we're not

26:07

going to say when or where

26:09

or what that exact moment is

26:11

going to be, but we're planning

26:13

for it and talking about it

26:15

and we're going to we're going

26:17

to strike at the right time.

26:19

May 1st is coming up, International

26:21

Workers Day. Yeah, I mean, listen.

26:23

There has to be a consciousness

26:26

and there has to be a

26:28

clear demand. And those demands are

26:30

going to be defined very clearly

26:32

by what's happening with this administration,

26:34

but also by working people and

26:36

unions talking about that. I was

26:38

at a secret meeting yesterday about

26:40

this, talking about what those demands

26:42

need to be. In other countries,

26:45

like I said, it has been

26:47

labor that has been the central

26:49

force pushing this forward. If you

26:51

look around and you look at

26:53

history and you look at what

26:55

has happened around the world, it

26:57

has to come from the labor

26:59

movement. Sarah, I'm really grateful for

27:01

your time. Thanks for coming on

27:03

the show. Thank you so much.

27:06

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27:08

America, by the way. You should

27:10

wear that as badge of honor.

27:12

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27:16

Nelson is the president of the

27:18

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