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1:02

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1:07

I don't want to,

1:09

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1:11

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1:13

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ready to rule the world? Of course. Always

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am. Living. Welcome to my favorite game.

3:23

If I ruled the world, as I

3:25

tell both of you and anyone who

3:27

listened, my dream is to be a

3:29

dictator of a very small nation, of

3:31

a group of people who not wanted

3:33

me to be a dictator, but they

3:35

were like, yeah, this sounds like a

3:38

cool idea. So I didn't take power

3:40

from them. It just was the

3:42

way it was. And yeah,

3:44

I always think of what I would do to make

3:46

my world perfect. And that's why I

3:48

play this game. I feel like Josh has

3:50

come in. Because last time you weren't

3:52

happy with how we ran if I ruled the

3:54

world. He thought a bit. Scammed up

3:56

on or what was that? No, you

3:58

know, I think I was more like,

4:00

I always come to if I rule

4:02

the world, like I rule the world,

4:05

like this should work. So then when

4:07

y 'all hit me with things I

4:09

didn't think about I feel like I'm

4:11

not really ruling the world I feel

4:13

like I feel like my plans are

4:15

falling apart so I get a little

4:17

vindictive cuz I'm like I You asked

4:19

me what do I rule the world

4:21

you didn't tell me to plug up

4:23

all the holes in my life But

4:25

remember you have to vote. That's the

4:27

game. Yeah, if I ruled the world

4:30

mm -hmm Each of us takes the role

4:32

of magnanimous dictator slash world leader slash

4:34

king slash god person. We change the

4:36

world in any way that we want.

4:38

However, you have to win

4:40

the votes of the other two people. We

4:42

also ask everyone who listens to the show if

4:44

they want to submit ideas and then we

4:46

vote on them. So let's go through some of

4:48

the suggestions now. I haven't seen any of

4:50

these, so I don't know. All right, let's see.

4:52

If I rule the world, listen to suggestions.

4:54

Here we go. This is from Rebecca. Rebecca

4:56

says, if I rule the world,

4:58

I would make it mandatory for world

5:01

leaders to spend an hour creating

5:03

art, and it can be anything, drawing,

5:05

painting, ceramics, glassblowing, before they make

5:07

any critical decisions on important matters, such

5:09

as military action, immigration, environmental policies,

5:11

etc. Absolutely not. No? That's what

5:13

George W. Bush is doing now, is

5:15

making art. That means

5:17

some really dark stuff is going down

5:19

if you have to make it hard.

5:22

But I feel like he doing it

5:24

in reverse. He already killed all the

5:26

people and now he's doing it. Okay,

5:28

that's true. I think I would vote

5:30

for this because I think that one

5:32

of the most humbling things in the

5:34

world is like doing an art that

5:37

you don't do and then try to

5:39

look like an expert in the same

5:41

day. Like if you're like, hey, y

5:43

'all, we have to invade, but then

5:45

the people just saw you and they

5:47

were like, bitch, you can't draw. How

5:50

you gonna let us get killed and you

5:53

can't draw? Yeah, I mean, like you have

5:55

this. So the failure. Yeah. Okay. I like

5:57

there's a closet. So yours is a I

5:59

am a yes for this. Christiana. Um, no,

6:02

I'm no. Yeah. I like it,

6:04

but I'm a no. And I was

6:06

a yes until Josh said his. I'll

6:09

tell you why, Rebecca. No, because now I

6:11

actually agree with Josh. But like, I think

6:13

men are We have like the most sensitive

6:15

egos. Oh, yeah. So if you like fail

6:17

at the pottery, you might invade a country

6:19

to show how good you actually are. Oh,

6:21

yeah. So I agree with you, Josh, actually.

6:23

But I think the other... So it's a

6:25

no for me. Sorry, Rebecca. Fabian

6:28

says, if I ruled the world, I

6:30

would prohibit political careers. Everyone should have an

6:32

occupation outside of politics. Government positions are

6:34

a one -time thing and temporary. These positions

6:36

should be considered a rare occasion to serve

6:38

the nation. I vote yes immediately. I

6:40

also vote yes because you really want to

6:42

go out like an all -star. Yeah, I

6:44

mean, some of these people start their

6:46

political career and they're saying all the right

6:48

stuff. But then you could tell after

6:50

like three years, they're like beat down and

6:52

they try to pass the same thing.

6:54

Yeah, you have to be cynical. Yeah, they

6:56

get cynical. And then 15 years later,

6:58

they're like, so it's like, what do you

7:00

mean? So you don't even have to

7:02

be there. Yeah, no career politicians. I agree.

7:04

Well done, Fabian. You just got three

7:06

yeses. Well, that's a good one. All right.

7:08

Senna says, if I rule

7:10

the world, I would change the curtains

7:12

in fitting rooms at stores. to

7:14

something that provides a little more coverage,

7:16

because they always remains a very

7:18

peek -through -able gap. And

7:20

those two curtains have never fully

7:22

met. This is very

7:24

specific. This is super specific, Senna. Senna, did

7:26

you... Did someone spy on you? This

7:29

is wild. I feel like this is a

7:31

complaint for a department store, not like

7:33

a suggestion for... It's also like, if you

7:35

rule the world, imagine you have all

7:37

the power in the world, and you use

7:39

it to make the curtains... dressing rooms.

7:41

Can I tell you right now, this person

7:43

is having a good life. Because they

7:45

were like, if I ruled the world, I

7:47

really wouldn't change anything. Except

7:51

for this one thing. I

7:53

mean, yes, because it's not a big

7:55

deal. Yeah, I vote yes. I'm not

7:57

it. I don't see any. Yeah, honestly,

7:59

to vote against it, low key makes

8:01

it seem like you like peeking. So

8:03

I'm so gonna vote yes. All

8:06

right, so, Senna, you got three

8:08

yeses. Julie says, If I ruled the

8:10

world, I would have government -funded monthly

8:12

barbecues in every neighborhood. Huh.

8:16

I don't trust the government to buy my meat. Well,

8:19

they're funded. It's just funded. Oh, they're just funded. So

8:21

I guess they'll just pay for you can go and buy

8:23

your meat wherever you like. I've got so many questions

8:25

like, do we have to show up to the barbecues? Not

8:27

just government -funded. grilling? Who's doing the grilling? There's always someone

8:29

to do the grilling. The neighborhood I live in, I

8:32

don't know if I'd want the people to make me meat.

8:34

Look, can I tell you right now, this feels like

8:36

a bureaucratic way to get at the cookout. Yeah,

8:42

I mean, I know infiltration when I

8:44

see it. Okay. There's some

8:46

Cointel Pro. Oh, man,

8:48

that's funny. Yeah, yeah. I like the

8:50

sentiment though, because she's trying to get

8:52

people together. Yes, yes, Julie's to get

8:55

people together. I vote yes, because the

8:57

heart is in the right place. Okay.

8:59

I also vote yes. The Cointel Pro

9:01

was a joke. I do think that

9:03

there's a world where using government funds

9:05

to build community is what Government should

9:07

be for yes. Okay. I do like

9:09

the idea Okay, I'm gonna go no

9:11

because I think people eat too much

9:13

meat already All right, Ben comes in

9:15

and says if I rule the world

9:17

there should be fast lanes and slow

9:19

lanes on the sidewalk I'm just gonna

9:21

go no because that doesn't work on

9:23

the highway people just gonna walk where

9:25

they walk anyway And then who decides

9:27

what fast is what is because you

9:30

don't have a speed You don't have

9:32

a speedometer on you as a person.

9:34

What is fast? What is slow? I

9:36

think that fast and slow is dictated

9:38

by the local community. Because then they

9:40

measure the steps of people in New

9:42

York versus people in Portland. And it's

9:44

like, by and large. All New Yorkers

9:46

walk faster. Way faster. Way faster. So

9:48

it's like, I think everyone starts to

9:50

figure it out once you set those

9:52

lanes up. The real problem is there's

9:54

actually not enough sidewalk to go around.

9:56

Because you got to go this way

9:58

and this way and you have to

10:00

do it fast and slow. I don't

10:02

know. That's four lanes of sidewalk. Then

10:05

you've got someone screaming at you. This

10:07

is the fast lane, buddy. Like

10:09

how fast are you walking? I don't know.

10:11

I'm sorry Ben, for me it's a no. Yes,

10:13

and no, from it's getting real ableist right

10:15

now. Yes. It walks already, you know? Look,

10:17

Ben, I will tell you though, if you're trying

10:20

to make your own fast lane, just walk with

10:22

your fists out. People get out the way. All

10:25

right, and then the last one comes from Charles who says,

10:27

cars should have more than just a turn

10:29

signal. There should be a little LED

10:31

sign where you can send a short message

10:33

to another driver like, my bad, I

10:35

didn't mean to cut you off or your

10:37

wipers are on or move over. Wow,

10:39

Charles, you are setting yourself up for

10:41

Mad Max levels of Fury on the road.

10:43

Yeah, you're going to write messages on people's lights.

10:46

See, I would be like, sometimes I'm in

10:48

the car. I'm like, oh, my God, I like

10:50

a hairstyle. And I'd love to be able

10:52

to say it, but they can't hear me. If

10:54

I could say it with my lights, that'd

10:56

be amazing. You realize people are now catcalling from

10:58

their cars. Yeah. across

11:01

my mind. No, all. There's going

11:03

to be guys are like, I like your

11:05

hair. It's nice hair. Nice hair. I've been

11:07

following you for a few blocks. Hey, what's

11:09

your number? I don't see a baby see

11:11

that back to you. No,

11:14

I think I think it would be a

11:16

bit rough because they would all have to be

11:18

preplanned. So we'd have to figure out like

11:21

four or five messages. You could have a dynamic

11:23

one. You could just like a dot matrix

11:25

that displays them. You could just you could like

11:27

say it and just show it. I

11:29

just don't think that's a good idea. It's

11:31

bad enough that we already have like I

11:33

don't. And how would people like read the

11:35

light? That's what saying. I'm just saying this

11:37

is trouble. I mean, we're getting towards that

11:39

self -driving, so you're going to have to

11:41

do something. I hear you, but it's a

11:43

no for me. Yes, a no for me

11:45

too. I mean, probably a no because I

11:47

don't understand it, but yeah. I

11:50

feel like that's what people in

11:52

Congress say every week. I'm going to

11:54

vote no on this because I

11:56

don't understand it. I don't really get

11:58

it. But yeah. All right. Now

12:01

for the big rounds. So

12:04

who wants to go first? Josh,

12:07

Christiana. I'm willing to go as well.

12:09

Can we like do a quintostle pool? Oh,

12:11

just go back to rock, paper, scissors. Oh,

12:16

so Christiana, I beat Josh. Christiana

12:18

beats that. You beat me. Josh

12:21

beat me, and you beat

12:23

Josh. So I go first.

12:25

OK, fine. Then Josh says

12:27

again. OK, let's go. Christiana.

12:30

OK, I didn't think I'd lose the game

12:32

of random. I don't think you lost.

12:34

OK, here we are. If

12:36

I ruled the world, I would

12:38

designate mandatory reality TV for everyone

12:40

over 18 for one hour a

12:42

week. You can pick whichever show

12:44

you like, but you have to

12:46

watch a reality TV show. You

12:49

have to watch it. You have to

12:51

watch a reality TV show. OK,

12:54

now you've rubbed me in.

12:56

Why? Because I actually

12:58

think reality TV is where so

13:00

much of real life is

13:02

playing out that actually like... TV

13:04

doesn't have at the moment

13:06

like reality TV you see lots

13:08

of older women grappling with

13:10

things like alcoholism or divorce or

13:12

cancer and all you see

13:14

couples going through nursing somebody who's

13:16

ill or then you see

13:18

somebody that like just killed their

13:20

wife or and they like

13:22

different races different classes socioeconomic groups

13:24

it's like a very good

13:26

picture into the country you live

13:28

in in a way that Often

13:31

people are very siloed in

13:33

their media consumption. Fox News is

13:35

one thing and MSNBC is

13:37

another thing. You can watch The

13:39

Real Housewives of New York,

13:41

Atlanta, Beverly Hills. You don't know

13:43

who is a Republican. I fell

13:45

in love with a woman and it turns

13:47

out she's a big Trumpa but now I'm in

13:50

love with her so there's no going back.

13:52

And it helps you see the humanity in people

13:54

that you would otherwise not see and get

13:56

to know people that you probably don't come across

13:58

in real life. It could be like you're

14:00

watching a show about the Duggar family that it's

14:02

not on air anymore. And you're like, oh,

14:04

I'm learning about like Evangelical Christians who have all

14:06

of these children or the Real Housewives of

14:08

Lake City is set in Mormon Utah. But wait,

14:10

wait, wait. But people can choose the reality

14:12

show. So what if everyone's just choosing a show

14:15

that teaches them nothing? you randomly assign the show. OK,

14:17

so you don't know what going to do. And you have

14:19

to watch it. Yeah, you have to do it. You

14:21

have to be engaged. You can't be on your phone. I

14:23

mean, you can be on your phone. I think

14:25

a great thing about the reality show experience is

14:28

that a lot of people tweet, live tweet when

14:30

they're watching it and they're covering it on Instagram

14:32

and stuff. So if you want to connect with

14:34

other viewers via social media, that's great. And you

14:36

wouldn't just make people watch a documentary once a

14:38

week? No way, because documentaries are so boring. You

14:40

got all those talking heads. They

14:42

were like, oh my God, and they're statistic. I

14:46

hate documentaries. Oh

14:48

my god, and especially the vanity documentaries

14:50

when you've like basically got access to

14:53

the person so nothing bad comes up

14:55

So no not not documentary. Let me

14:57

tell you right now documentaries have that

14:59

thing They're starting to get that thing

15:01

where there's a real wrestling match going

15:03

on with like we want to tell

15:05

your story But also don't make me

15:07

look bad, but also you have to

15:09

give us enough stuff. I'll tell you

15:11

right now. There's a one of the

15:13

most incredible soccer players, female soccer players

15:15

of all time, Hope Solo has an

15:17

incredible documentary out. And I really love

15:19

the documentary because I felt like it

15:21

gave me everything while still like, not

15:24

protecting her, but like, like shielding us

15:26

a little bit from things that would

15:28

make us judge her harshly. But there

15:30

is one point in it that I

15:32

really liked where they had her talking

15:34

about being like, the real, like, rabid,

15:36

we need to get up to this

15:38

level type person on the team, like

15:40

the Jordan of the team. And

15:42

they used the B -roll. And you could tell

15:44

the B -roll, she was cursing the shit out of

15:47

those girls. But they didn't play that B -roll,

15:49

because they probably knew it wouldn't make her look

15:51

some type of way. And she was already telling

15:53

us that's what she was doing without saying the

15:55

words. So she's like, I could be tough on

15:57

my teammates, right? But in the B -roll, it's her

15:59

being like... It's

16:03

like like coaching while she's playing

16:06

and so I get what you're

16:08

saying The documentary has a filtered

16:10

nature that reality TV doesn't have

16:12

and people on reality TV are

16:14

by and large the most shameless

16:16

human beings on the planet So

16:18

you think reality TV has become

16:20

more genuine than documentaries in many

16:22

ways? It is the, it shows

16:25

so much truth. Like, for

16:27

instance, if you watch The Real Housewives

16:29

of Potomac right now, Karen Huger is in

16:31

prison for a DUI. This is a

16:33

black woman. She called herself the Grand Dame,

16:35

very sophisticated, up -across black woman. Yeah. Who

16:37

you didn't even believe was capable of

16:40

getting drunk and being sloppy. That's the image

16:42

she put out there. And in my

16:44

personal life, I've been talking about black women

16:46

and alcoholism. I'm like, I know a

16:48

lot of black women who drink a lot,

16:50

right? But it's not something that we

16:52

talk about publicly. It's in our group chats

16:55

or whatever. We're seeing it play out

16:57

at brunch. And Karen

16:59

is like showing this. Mirror

17:01

to like these experiences and then you get

17:03

there's lots of people that go to prison

17:05

for like stuff like a lot of fraud

17:07

like insurance fraud and like the time of

17:10

griftery things that you have these people in

17:12

these affluent suburbs that do to get their

17:14

money I think is a very American story,

17:16

but you don't necessarily talk about so Yeah,

17:18

you get kind of these shameless people who

17:20

are a bit narcissistic who are craving fame

17:22

or attention when I think a lot of

17:24

people want attention in this country. And it

17:26

makes you fall in love with people that

17:28

you never thought you would fall in love

17:31

with, who are very different from you. And

17:33

shameless people are sometimes the most honest. Shameless

17:35

people do the same. They do

17:37

things for the same reasons that we do

17:39

them, but we either rationalize or like like

17:41

rationalization is sort of lying to yourself about

17:43

it. But then there's also the lying to

17:45

the world about like, no, no, no, I

17:47

did for this where shameless person is like,

17:50

I was trying to get the money. I'm

17:52

trying to I got a plug. Yeah. Why

17:54

would I not get the money? And it

17:56

will help you understand Trump. Oh,

17:58

okay. Yeah. Because people have never understood

18:01

Trump. But you think reality TV helps people

18:03

understand Trump more? Yeah, because he is

18:05

a product. I think he is a product

18:07

of reality TV. He is. He was

18:09

a type of person that would go in

18:11

reality TV. Yeah. A lot of his

18:13

facade comes from the apprentice. Yeah. Like if

18:16

you watch Trump pre -apprentice, watch him in

18:18

interviews, watch him as a person, he

18:20

doesn't have the exact same vibe to him.

18:23

you know, like post -apprentices. I think because they're

18:25

the only apprentices, they were like, no, you got

18:27

to do this. You're fired. And they gave

18:29

him the catchphrases and the look. And I think

18:31

he just sort of adopted that character. And

18:34

he became, yeah, I can see that.

18:36

You know what? When you first said

18:38

that I was firmly a no, I

18:40

was like, this is a crazy idea, but

18:42

I think you've won me. I think

18:44

won because I think you've given a good

18:46

justification. But two, I just

18:48

think we need to share more experiences

18:51

as people. So if everyone is

18:53

watching a show weekly, everywhere in the

18:55

world, I do like that everyone

18:57

tomorrow has something to connect around in

18:59

the office. I think we need

19:01

more collective view and more collective, you

19:03

know I mean? So I'm going

19:05

to vote yes to reality TV one

19:07

hour every week, forced upon you.

19:09

Yeah. And I think it sparks conversation.

19:12

you would normally have to go

19:14

to a very serious place to have.

19:16

Like I find that like watching love

19:18

is blind or watching Love Island

19:21

gets like Sally and I talking about

19:23

relationships in a way that's like

19:25

fun because of what they're doing. That

19:27

has nothing to do with us.

19:29

Because if I just walk in the

19:31

apartment cold and I'm like, what

19:34

do you think about like when people

19:36

don't know how to talk about

19:38

cheating in their past? It's

19:42

like we're having a very different conversation. Cause

19:44

then now you can't convince a person you

19:46

don't mean you. But then when we watch

19:48

someone on Love - It is a nice,

19:50

yeah. Like be like kind of that, that

19:52

like - It's a great catsillist. Yeah, exactly. And

19:54

- helps yield moments like, like Trevor was saying,

19:56

where it's like, very quickly, one of my

19:58

favorite reality TV moments of all time is on

20:00

Love and Hip Hop Hollywood, when these two

20:02

women were arguing, and you know how they get

20:04

them drunk, they get them drunk, and they

20:06

go to an event, but no one at the

20:08

event but them, there's no event, and then

20:10

they get to the event and they're drunk and

20:12

they're arguing, and there was this one woman

20:14

who had slept with this other woman's friend's man,

20:16

and so she was trying to tell her

20:18

like, you should value yourself more, and she's like,

20:21

don't tell me to value myself, I value

20:23

myself, she's like, hitting my phone, blah blah, and

20:25

they're going back and forth, back and forth.

20:27

Then the woman whose event it was, she

20:29

like, clearly has been drinking too much

20:31

all day, and she throws up, and the

20:33

other woman goes, they're about to fight. And

20:36

the other woman goes, did you

20:38

just throw up? And that is the

20:40

realest moment I think I've ever seen. Like, forget

20:42

the cameras for a second, forget everything. just pause

20:44

everything. Did you just throw up? And like, she

20:46

almost asked, are you okay? But then the other

20:48

girl who just threw up was trying to save

20:50

face. She's like, yeah, you got so much plastic

20:52

surgery, it makes me sick to my stomach. So

20:54

you made me throw up. She was

20:56

like, oh, okay, then that's what we're doing.

20:58

All right, fine. But like that moment, I

21:00

was like, that's a real person. So I

21:02

vote yes. Yeah. And also I was going

21:04

to say, I know you both voted yes.

21:06

I should mention nighty day fiance. Fascinating

21:08

look into. immigration. Oh,

21:10

yeah. No, all these, you're not wrong. You're

21:13

wrong. It is a crude look

21:15

into many issues that, as Josh

21:18

says so eloquently, we wouldn't get into

21:20

otherwise. I like it. It's a

21:22

yes. Well done. Just kicked it

21:24

off with a double yes. There you go.

21:26

That's great. I think this is my first

21:28

double yes, maybe my second. Yeah, I feel

21:30

like you're the only person I voted for,

21:32

though. I feel like I definitely vote against

21:34

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22:59

so I'll go, and this is more

23:01

playing God a bit than just like

23:03

a government mandate if I rule the

23:05

world as a dictator. Josh. Hey, God.

23:07

Here's the God. God, Josh. If I

23:09

ruled the world, I

23:12

would make it actually

23:14

hurt to be stupid.

23:17

So like, if somebody

23:19

is willfully ignorant. Yo, what?

23:21

Because let me pitch you

23:23

this, right? Let me pitch

23:25

you this. Get ready. Because

23:28

I think you're against me now and you'll be

23:30

with me again. going to let you land. I'm

23:32

absorbing that. I'm not against you. I'm in

23:34

shock right now. Because if you are someone

23:36

who, in spite of everything that you know

23:38

and everything you've been told, is like, you

23:41

know what? I'm to stick a fork in

23:43

the socket. And you stick the

23:45

fork in the socket, it hurts you

23:47

because your dumb idea ended up getting

23:49

you hurt. It costs you nothing to

23:51

tell everyone else in the room who

23:53

is impressionable to put a fork in

23:55

the socket. So if you... just by

23:57

saying and knowing it's wrong, put a fork

23:59

in the socket. It's essentially Pinocchio, but

24:01

with pain. You know, you

24:03

know that you're being willfully ignorant. You

24:05

know that you're lying. You know that,

24:08

and so I wouldn't put my hand

24:10

on the lever. I wouldn't be controlling

24:12

how much. But you would have to

24:14

have some actual barrier because it costs

24:16

people nothing to spread misinformation and it

24:18

costs people nothing to like lead people

24:20

for the sake of manipulation in a

24:22

way that is like willfully dumb. Do

24:24

you know I mean? I don't mean

24:26

people who don't know things yet. That's

24:28

okay. This is the clarification I think

24:30

I'm getting. So you're not saying people

24:33

who quote unquote are stupid. You're not

24:35

saying that. You don't mean somebody whose

24:37

aptitude may not be at the level

24:39

that none. This is not what you're

24:41

saying. You're saying if somebody does or

24:43

says something that they know is stupid

24:45

and they're just doing it to either

24:47

act the fool or drive people in

24:49

the wrong direction. But

24:51

you know now. Can you give

24:53

me like more... examples, uh, Alex

24:55

Jones will be in constant pain

24:58

That's that's what I mean someone

25:00

who like like forever because what

25:02

Alex Jones does that's particularly insidious

25:04

is that he he plays on

25:06

things where Whenever it's the right

25:08

time and he's on the right

25:11

podcast. He's an entertainer and he's

25:13

somebody who's just like just like

25:15

taking the piss out of everything

25:17

But then then when when it's

25:19

just you and Alex and you

25:21

at I mean an impressionable person

25:24

who really feels like downtrodden and

25:26

you don't know who's to blame

25:28

or if it's your fault or

25:30

whatever. Alex is taking advantage of

25:32

those people. He's catering to people

25:34

who need something to blame that's

25:37

like. physical and they can get

25:39

out there and they can like attack

25:41

that person which is why you you

25:43

have like Alex Jones fans like spitting

25:45

on and following and harassing people who

25:47

who are families of victims of school

25:49

shootings right yeah but it's like Alex

25:51

no and look. If he doesn't know,

25:53

then it actually wouldn't hurt that much.

25:55

But he knows, he knows what he's

25:58

doing, and he knows when he's lying.

26:00

I used to wonder if Alex was

26:02

like this crazy person, or if he

26:04

genuinely is this grifter who knows what

26:06

he's saying is, is false. Cause what

26:08

he, the two things that made me

26:10

feel like, oh no, he knows what

26:12

he's doing is anytime on the rare

26:14

occasions that he is like right about

26:16

something, he then uses that to leverage

26:19

19 other things that have nothing to

26:21

do with that thing. That's the classic

26:23

conspiracy theorist move. when

26:25

the lawyer for the families who were

26:27

suing alex jones over sandy hook

26:29

when that lawyer said you have such

26:31

an incompetent uh uh council that

26:33

they accidentally sent me your text messages

26:35

i sent that to the court

26:37

saying hey i don't think they meant

26:39

to send me this yeah so

26:41

it entered into discovery then i let

26:43

your council know that they had

26:45

sent me this thing and they didn't

26:47

respond. So now I have all

26:49

your text messages where you're saying that

26:51

you know that these things aren't

26:54

true. And Alex's face, a crazy person

26:56

would be like, that didn't happen

26:58

or whatever. Oh, yeah. So

27:02

now I know that you're like. But that's why

27:04

he lost the case, right? That's why I had that

27:07

massive judgment against And so that's what I mean.

27:09

I like it's one of those things where kind of.

27:11

OK, but this before you go in the pain,

27:13

I think. I get where you're going with

27:15

this and I may be able to follow. I think it

27:17

needs a bit of refinement. Are you open to refinement? Yeah,

27:19

open to refinement. All right, let's go. I'd

27:21

be in pain if that wasn't me. So

27:24

I feel like

27:26

you may be conflating

27:28

being willfully dumb

27:30

and maybe being malicious

27:32

or maybe being

27:34

opportunistic. I think

27:36

we're talking about different things. I

27:39

see what you're saying. Do you know what I mean? Some

27:42

people are willfully ignorant but

27:44

not necessarily malicious intent like you

27:46

can be willfully ignorant and you

27:48

can share you can be like You

27:51

don't need vaccines, drink celery juice, but

27:53

that's not coming from a malicious place.

27:55

I think Josh wants pain for those

27:57

people as well. Yeah, they actually think

27:59

they're being helpful. But what you're describing

28:01

with Alex Jones. The pain would clear

28:03

it up for them. Because this is

28:05

my only pitch where I'm like, you

28:07

can vote with me or against me.

28:09

I won't hold it against you past

28:11

today. The

28:15

world that I'm proposing sands

28:17

the actual pain. is the world

28:19

that we live in. So

28:22

you can go and tell people to do all

28:24

these things and like, you know that they're

28:26

not true and you're not actually helping anybody or

28:28

you think it's true and then you see people

28:30

hurt. But that is the world we live

28:32

in. It just takes longer and it depends on

28:34

if you see the pain or not. You don't.

28:36

You become president, right? You become president

28:38

and you fear for your life every day because

28:40

I already shot at you once. I think that

28:42

like, in my opinion,

28:45

most people really aren't getting away with anything

28:47

in the long run of things. This is

28:49

a very comic view of the universe. It

28:51

really is, actually. Really, like Buddhist principles. I

28:53

just feel like since we're already not getting

28:55

away with anything, it might as well

28:57

be immediate. to be your own version of

28:59

correction. Because if I'm the guy holding the

29:02

fork and I put it in there, I'm

29:04

like, it's immediate. It's not worth it. I'm

29:06

not going to do it again. How would

29:08

they feel the pain who administers it?

29:10

This is what I want to know. I

29:12

want to know more about the pain. Who

29:14

brings the pain, Josh? I think it would

29:16

be as different as the person. So for

29:18

instance, I think that if I'm sitting

29:20

down with Christiana and I'm like, look, let

29:22

me tell you what the third trimester is

29:25

like. I might slow down if my nose

29:27

just starts bleeding a little bit. Do

29:29

you have it? This is so

29:31

dystopian. It really is. Josh, we

29:34

sent Josh away. We were like,

29:36

Josh, you're too nice. And

29:38

Josh went away. And he

29:40

read every, like, Awellian novel vibe

29:42

thing he could. And Josh

29:44

was like, oh, I will show

29:46

you. Because this is damn.

29:48

OK, another question. If

29:51

somebody is like... in their willful

29:53

stupidity and their constantly feeling pain,

29:55

does it get to a point

29:57

where they die? No,

29:59

I don't think so because you still

30:01

have the same life expectancy you still

30:04

have the same life expectancy I think

30:06

a physical representation of the thing now

30:08

is There are those people that are

30:10

like very like crunchy hippie and everything

30:12

and they drink silver because they're like

30:14

no Silver yeah And so they're like

30:16

no if I drink the silver I

30:18

won't need like a list of things

30:20

that are actually like not that invasive

30:22

and just like medically Because of its

30:25

antibacterial quality is great, but I didn't

30:27

know drinking it. It's like it's like

30:29

They will turn a little bit blue. You'll

30:32

see it on them. Yes. And then

30:34

they look like what they're going through. Yeah.

30:36

They'll look like what they're going through

30:38

and they'll still be sick because you just

30:40

drank a silver. You didn't like go

30:42

to the hospital. Yeah. I mean, and I

30:44

think that that version is like kind

30:46

of almost the thing that I'm proposing now

30:48

where it's like, you're not walking around

30:50

like, ah, ah, but I do think if

30:52

you're, if you're sitting there and you

30:54

know, you, you, you know, but because of

30:56

like, whatever biases you have.

30:58

Like, I watched this documentary with someone who

31:00

had left the neo -Nazi movement and he

31:02

said that the entire time I was

31:04

in there, the entire 20 years that I

31:06

was a neo -Nazi, I spent all of

31:08

my days and most of my life

31:10

rationalizing because I was constantly being bombarded with

31:12

things that showed me the world was

31:14

not the way that I had both been

31:16

told it was and was telling myself

31:18

that it was. And so I'm like, yeah,

31:20

you're already in pain to a certain

31:22

degree. Because now this like, black neighbor that

31:25

you have has been incredibly nice to

31:27

you and mowed your lawn and everything. Okay,

31:29

but do you feel like they should

31:31

have gotten that pain earlier? 100%.

31:33

Physically. Yeah, yeah, because now he's over here.

31:35

He's this neo -nazi who was whooping ass

31:37

for 20 years and now he's like,

31:39

but I've changed. He's like, that's great. I'm

31:41

glad. But man, maybe if

31:43

your head hurt a little bit

31:46

while you were like rationalizing. What age

31:48

does the pain thing stop? I

31:50

think it starts when your

31:52

brain stops developing. That way everybody

31:55

gets, you know, Okay, they're

31:57

a little fair show you would

31:59

like if you're a kid

32:01

Like you you wouldn't even understand

32:03

the pain if they gave

32:05

you the pain. Yeah, okay? Okay,

32:07

you wouldn't even know what's

32:09

happening. Hmm. Okay, you know, I

32:11

think I'm ready to vote.

32:13

Okay, Trevor you go first I'm

32:15

going to vote no mm -hmm

32:17

only because I don't think

32:19

we have a clear idea of

32:22

who is or isn't being stupid in society

32:24

and in life. And I know it's

32:26

a bit of a cop out, but I

32:28

think it's true. And

32:30

I think while like Alex Jones is

32:32

like an almost easy example, I think

32:34

there's some examples where people will feel

32:36

pain for the wrong reason at the

32:38

wrong time and then it might shut

32:41

down something that's a smart idea. Like

32:43

maybe there's someone who's like, hey, the

32:45

earth is round. we need to sail the

32:47

other way long before everyone else is

32:49

saying it. And then they're like, ah, and

32:51

then they don't do it, or someone

32:54

doesn't invent electricity, or I just, I'm worried

32:56

about that. But I will say this,

32:58

I love the, as Christiana said, I love

33:00

the comic side of what you're saying. I

33:02

do think it would be great if people

33:04

experienced the ramifications of their actions a lot

33:06

sooner. However, I just worry

33:09

that even in our finite understanding of

33:11

what is and isn't stupid at the

33:13

time that we're processing it. We might

33:15

put a lot of good people in

33:17

pain who might not do something that

33:19

was necessary for us because they were

33:21

like, I don't want the pain. And

33:23

I think pain, pain also stops people

33:25

from exploring something that might seem stupid

33:27

at the time that they're going to

33:29

say it, but then isn't later. And,

33:31

you know, I do love the idea,

33:33

but I'm going to vote no, unfortunately. Before

33:36

you vote. OK, I will

33:38

say I'm not talking about imagination.

33:40

And I'm not talking, I'm talking about,

33:42

I'm not even having my hand on

33:45

the lever. You know what's a lie

33:47

and you keep telling it to people

33:49

and that gives you a headache. I

33:51

think is, and so I get everything

33:53

that you're saying and I don't expect you

33:55

to change vote. But now let me

33:57

ask you one question. What if somebody is

33:59

lying to like, let's say there's a

34:02

government out there that's a dictatorship and then

34:04

the police come knocking on the door

34:06

trying to take your family away and then

34:08

you lie to the military police. Do

34:10

you feel pain? Oh no, a

34:12

lie. I'm talking about a lie

34:14

that is like willful ignorance. I'm

34:16

still not talking about having an

34:18

imagination or a lie to like

34:20

protect noble lie, yeah. Yeah, I

34:22

mean. Okay. Like if somebody is

34:25

So it's only something where you

34:27

believe the opposite completely and you

34:29

are doing it... It's really only

34:31

malicious. Yeah, it's really only like

34:34

the... Slightly

34:36

to very malicious spread of misinformation.

34:38

I'll change my vote to

34:40

yes. Wow. I did not see

34:42

that coming. I'll change my vote to Oh, Josh. Yeah, wow.

34:44

No, no, no. Can you clear that? I'll change my vote

34:46

to yes. Okay. So, as

34:48

somebody who recently gave birth

34:50

and has given birth without

34:53

drugs and has a very

34:55

high pain threshold, like

34:57

I 3D printed a human through

34:59

my vagina, Josh. And I

35:01

was nine months pregnant. I

35:04

think you underestimate how,

35:07

and then there's people that live with chronic pain, how

35:10

pain can kind of just become ambient. I

35:13

think you're describing very damaged people right

35:15

now. I think Alex Jones needs to do

35:17

a lot of spiritual work, not to

35:19

like, psychologize him, but like, this is a

35:21

very damaged person. And there are certain

35:23

types of people that, A, have a high

35:25

pain threshold, are used to

35:27

chronic pain, pain is always ambient, and

35:29

there are some people who thrive off

35:31

pain. I forgot about the

35:33

boners. There are people who thrive

35:35

of pain. Yeah, yeah. Nope, you're right.

35:38

I know this woman called Laura

35:40

Checkaway. She made this great documentary called

35:42

Lucky about this girl who I

35:44

think lives in the Bronx and she's

35:46

like really charismatic and beautiful. She's

35:48

covered in tattoos, right? Yeah. And...

35:50

She says in the documentary see I

35:53

shared on documentary that's actually really good documentary

35:55

and she says they were like why

35:57

do you have all these tattoos on your

35:59

face and she'd had a really tough

36:01

life and she says I can't really locate

36:03

the pain I feel. Emotionally

36:06

so every time I get a

36:08

tattoo I can feel the pain physically

36:10

damn I'm paraphrasing it now and

36:12

it made me look at like. you

36:14

know psychic pain a bit differently

36:16

and look at people that have lots

36:18

of piercings and people that have

36:21

lots of tattoos like they're actually trying

36:23

to physically experience something that they

36:25

only experience emotionally and can't often locate

36:27

and I think that we're talking

36:29

about very emotionally damaged people if you're

36:31

like willfully putting bad information in

36:33

the world for your own gain and

36:35

I think you underestimate how

36:38

many people, for whatever reasons, maybe

36:40

they've had really tough lives or

36:42

maybe they're sociopathic, who would actually

36:44

enjoy that sensation of pain. It's

36:46

making them feel something. Geez.

36:50

Right? And I see,

36:52

I feel like Trump is in that

36:55

category because of his own damage. He

36:57

likes to feel like the thing

36:59

that we're like. Everyone thinks you're awful.

37:01

You're a nasty person. He gets

37:03

a rush from that pain and that

37:05

criticism. And I do fear you

37:08

would create a world where people would

37:10

seek out that pain. You basically

37:12

saying we'd create like super villains. The

37:14

Joker. Yeah, that's what it sounds

37:16

like. Yeah, like, you

37:18

know, damn. Look, we're already in

37:20

a world where people like self harm

37:22

for various reasons. And I'm just like, there's

37:24

part of the human experience where. Pain

37:26

can be very validating and offers release. My

37:28

worry is that some of these bad

37:30

actors, feeling the pain, are just going to

37:32

do more bad things. And that's why

37:35

it's a no, not because I don't think

37:37

it's a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. No,

37:39

no, those, those people will. probably have to

37:41

be tackled. Damn, Josh, you were close.

37:43

I do like the underlying rules. Yeah, you

37:45

were close. And there's something there. No,

37:47

I keep working on it. Yeah, you were

37:49

fine. on it. You know I mean?

37:51

We've actually never done, and if I rule

37:53

the world, that was a revised idea

37:55

of an old idea. That's true. Yeah, oh,

37:57

yeah. That's true. yeah. OK, so you're

37:59

going to come got go workshop it, and

38:02

we'll repeat it. Look, it might be

38:04

through if I rule the world later. This

38:06

has to take time. it. Because now

38:08

I forgot about a whole demographic of people

38:10

and everything. Super villains. Yeah. Don't forget

38:12

the super villains. And

38:18

now it's time for today's

38:20

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38:35

sick day routine? Because we all

38:37

have one, even if we

38:39

don't admit it. There's a rhythm to it,

38:41

you know? The minute your body gives

38:43

up and you surrender to the couch, everything

38:45

else follows. The food,

38:47

the TV, the music,

38:50

the mood. I

38:52

mean, there's movies, obviously movies. You can't watch

38:54

anything new when you're sick. That's a

38:56

rule. It has to be something familiar.

38:59

Something you've seen a dozen times. For

39:01

me, it's something random like The

39:03

Princess Bride, Ocean's Eleven or Finding

39:05

Nemo. Yes. Something warm. Something

39:07

where you already know how it ends and that's

39:09

the point. Because I don't know where the sickness is

39:11

going, man. It's got to be

39:13

music, you know music soft and low

39:15

key low -fi beats acoustic soul maybe a

39:17

little Nora Jones You know if you're really

39:19

leaning in it's less about listening and

39:22

more about setting the tone the background sound

39:24

for your inner drama Maybe reading no

39:26

that was a fake. I'm not gonna read

39:28

forget it. I always think I'll catch

39:30

up on a book, but let's be honest

39:32

I stare at the ceiling or scroll

39:34

through my phone at like 5 % brightness

39:36

like I'm decoding ancient texts. Not reading a

39:39

book when I'm sick. Feels like somebody

39:41

squeezing my nose into my head. Remember to

39:43

concentrate on words written on a page? Or

39:46

more focused on food. Yes,

39:48

food. That's the one part I take

39:50

seriously. It has to be hot

39:52

and comforting. Ramen or

39:54

grilled cheese with tomato soup. They

39:56

say the two come together to cure

39:58

any ailment. Something simple

40:00

that wraps you up from the

40:02

inside, you know? And honestly, the best

40:04

part is that one friend who

40:06

always checks in. You know who that

40:08

friend is, or maybe you are that friend. The,

40:10

hey, I heard your voice in that meeting. You sounded

40:12

like a dying person. Are you okay? Well,

40:15

that friend was like, hey, I've noticed you weren't in

40:17

the group chat laughing at all the memes. Are you

40:19

still alive? Yeah. Just

40:21

that little person, that little voice note or

40:23

text that slips in to let you know

40:25

that you matter. I feel like that's part

40:27

of the medicine. Sick

40:29

days are weirdly sacred. They're like

40:31

a reset button wrapped in a

40:33

hoodie. And when you get the

40:35

routine just right, even being sick

40:37

feels kind of bearable. Well,

40:40

we hope you gave you some ideas

40:42

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less painful. All

40:54

right, so

40:56

Christiana has

40:59

her two votes, Josh only got one.

41:02

Let's see if I can

41:04

get anything out of this

41:06

one. So if I ruled

41:08

the world, I would

41:10

make it so

41:12

that every thought people

41:15

are having during

41:17

sex or intimacy comes

41:19

out of them

41:21

verbally, whether they like

41:23

it or not. This

41:26

is insane. Man, this is man trying to get to

41:28

know. What hell is that? Let me finish. Let

41:30

me finish. Yep, yep, yep. You will

41:32

be making out with somebody and like in my

41:34

world, it like comes out of everywhere. Don't worry. Don't

41:36

worry about like, oh, but I'm kissing them. No,

41:38

it'll, it might come out in my plate of your

41:40

ears. This is the world I'm

41:42

creating. Yeah. Think of it as like

41:45

having a little speaker on you, not visible,

41:47

but you're making out with somebody and

41:49

whatever you're thinking. comes out of

41:51

you. Me. Oh, I need to do the

41:53

washing. Oh, I do. That's fine. Whatever it

41:55

is comes out of you. And if you're

41:57

having sex with somebody, whatever you're thinking, whatever

41:59

they're thinking, it comes out of them. And

42:01

the other person is able to hear

42:03

it while this is happening. OK. This

42:06

is the whole idea. This

42:08

is the complete idea, Josh. OK. All right.

42:10

Cool. Now I will tell you why.

42:12

Yeah. OK. OK. Tell you why. So

42:14

the reason I think this would be a

42:16

great idea is for a few reasons. One. Because

42:20

we live in a world

42:22

where nobody teaches us about

42:24

sex. Nobody. We

42:27

go to school. We

42:29

learn about different types of

42:31

clouds. I

42:33

know about cumulonimbus. I know

42:35

about stratus. I know

42:37

about different types of rivers, perennial,

42:39

non -perennial. Nobody taught me

42:41

about sex at school. They

42:43

taught you about the genitalia. That's

42:45

not sex. They did not

42:47

teach you about... mean, there's a

42:49

reason you can't, like, demonstrate

42:52

sex to children. But

42:54

you're not taught about sex. And

42:56

this is the thing that the best way to learn

42:58

about sex is sometimes experiential. No, no, no, no, no. I

43:01

think there's ways you can learn about a thing without

43:03

doing it. So here's the thing I think of sometimes. We'll

43:05

make these arguments, but then, like, go watch

43:07

a cartoon. They show things, like, there's cartoons

43:09

where they're shooting each other's heads off and

43:11

getting blown up and all kinds of things.

43:13

You how many times Bug's Bunny blew off

43:15

Alma Fudd's head with a gun? But nobody

43:17

said... can't show kids somebody shooting someone's head

43:19

off. I mean, someone probably should have said

43:22

that. Yeah, but what I'm saying is like,

43:24

we will say, I'm saying sex is a good

43:26

and natural part of life. And I'm saying

43:28

in our lives, no one teaches it to us.

43:30

Now, I'm not even saying when. You brought

43:32

children in, by the way, let the record show.

43:34

I said nothing about children. And then Christiana

43:36

all of a sudden threw children at me as

43:38

if now I was sick. I just said,

43:40

we don't get taught about sex. I'm saying even

43:42

when we're 21, there's no sex school. You

43:45

know what I mean? When we're 18,

43:47

there's no sex school. So, this is the

43:49

first part, no one teaches us about

43:51

sex. Secondly, we have done a terrible job

43:53

at working in and around consent. Just,

43:56

let's be honest, we've done a terrible job. The

43:58

Me Too movement came and went, and what did we

44:00

actually learn from it? Almost

44:03

nothing. Half of the people are like, well, this

44:05

is why I'm not gonna have a woman in my

44:07

office. That doesn't seem like the

44:09

lesson we were trying to learn. Do

44:11

you get what I'm saying? But also,

44:13

we didn't dive into the nuances. We

44:15

didn't talk about how consensus fluid and

44:17

is always moving and is sometimes verbal,

44:19

sometimes non -verbal, sometimes culturally defiant. It's

44:21

complicated. It's difficult. That's what I'm saying

44:23

in my world. When

44:26

you are being intimate with

44:28

somebody, every thought you are having

44:30

would be loudly and clearly

44:32

projected to the other person. Okay,

44:34

but Trevor, why... not just

44:36

do the school of sex first before

44:38

you have to do the thought. Yes.

44:41

Okay. Another reason for this is because

44:43

I think a lot of couples out

44:45

there have sex lives that diminish over

44:47

time because they're not sharing what's in

44:49

their mind and they can't like tap

44:51

into it. So you hear many stories

44:53

of women who are not being pleasured

44:55

and they don't say it to their

44:57

partner and then like 15 years down

44:59

the line, they're like, uh, yeah, it

45:01

wasn't working for me. The sex wasn't

45:04

great. And you're like, this poor guy,

45:06

he didn't know, he never got a

45:08

chance. And the school of sex helped

45:10

resolve that. the school, yeah, but the

45:12

school, remember people. People fail in school

45:14

all the time. That's okay. Failure is

45:16

okay. No, no, no, no. People fail

45:18

at sex all the time. Yeah. But

45:20

you see, in my world, it's not

45:22

about the failure nor the success. It's

45:24

just about the raw honesty that the

45:26

thing would provide. Okay. Yeah. Think

45:29

of it the other way as well. Like there are men

45:31

out there who might have like a fantasy or something they

45:33

want to think about and they want to share and they

45:35

can't share and then it blocks them off from their partner.

45:38

Both ways it can go, by the way. I don't

45:40

think it's gendered. I'm just saying these are examples. And

45:43

so I'm saying you'd be having the sex. And to your

45:45

point, you might go, oh, I have to do the washing. Oh,

45:47

I have to do the dishes. I have to. And then

45:49

your husband could say to you, baby, you

45:51

don't worry about the dishes right now. I

45:53

got you, babe. You don't need to

45:55

worry about those dishes. Okay. Okay. A

45:58

couple of things. You can ask as many

46:00

questions as you like. So this guy I follow

46:03

on TikTok. I forget his name. I think

46:05

we should have him on the show. Yeah. He's

46:07

a PhD. He's a professor who studies like

46:09

boyhood and manhood. And one of the studies they

46:11

did was about what men think about during

46:13

sex. Okay. And they got. these men

46:15

to speak to, you know, I don't know how

46:17

they conduct this experiment. Yeah, probably all lies,

46:19

but carry on. You know, and it was very

46:21

revealing. Men said they think about other

46:23

men in the sense they think about what they're

46:25

going to tell their friend about this sexual see these

46:27

are lies. Who are these guys? Anyway,

46:29

he goes through all of these things. man, you see, this is what I

46:31

don't like about these guys. wait, wait. These are lies. Sorry,

46:34

carry on. These are lies. Now

46:36

he's become anti -intellectual because he doesn't like it.

46:38

No, these are lies. You know, world.

46:40

They're just gonna say, like, these are...

46:42

Josh, okay. Okay, Josh. Josh. But he

46:44

was just saying, it was interesting. Let's

46:46

just ask Josh. the men think about

46:48

their insecurities. Men think, what does she

46:50

think about my body? Men, it was,

46:52

like, very vulnerable. Oh, yeah, but that's

46:54

everyone. That part is everyone. And my

46:56

thing is, I don't know

46:58

if men are ready for what women

47:00

think about them during sex. Because some

47:02

of it is not very... Nice. And

47:04

you can go away with a lasting

47:07

scar about what she thinks about your

47:09

physical appearance. This is great. And I

47:11

think there's a reason, um, thoughts

47:13

are private. I was going to say a private, but

47:15

thoughts are private. No, but these privates are thoughts that

47:17

are going to not be private. Here's a counter argument

47:19

to what you're saying. And I'm with you completely. Remember,

47:21

in my world, you will not know the before. Remember,

47:23

these are the rules of if I rule the world.

47:25

The people are not going to now, it's not a

47:27

new thing for them. I'm just saying for all of

47:29

us, it switches tomorrow. We will not remember what it

47:31

was. Okay. So. Everyone

47:33

will be experiencing this. At some point, you

47:35

will become immunized to it. No, I think

47:37

people just won't have sex. You

47:40

think people, you think you can stop people

47:42

from having sex? I think this could stop

47:44

people from having not want to have sex.

47:46

People, you know that in refugee camps, people

47:48

have sex. I'm with you. I'm just letting

47:50

you know now. Yeah, but those thoughts are

47:52

pretty quiet. Just like the

47:54

sex. But man, people have

47:56

sex everywhere. I'm with

47:59

you. People in jail have sex. Because there are

48:01

no thoughts. Yeah. Because this is what I'm,

48:03

this is, I want you to win here. I

48:05

want to see you succeed. So these are

48:07

my questions. All right. Do you know how good

48:09

the sex can be if people reveal their

48:11

intimate secrets? just say it? No, because they can't,

48:13

that's what I'm saying. In my world, they

48:15

are just saying it. That's what say. No, because

48:17

you're forcing their thoughts. I'm not forcing it.

48:19

It just happens to you. But no, because you

48:21

changed it. It's like a fart that you

48:23

can't block, but out of your mind. Have you

48:26

smelled farts? Yes, but that's what, okay. Now,

48:28

actually, this is a great point. If you hang

48:30

out with your friends, your closest friends, people

48:32

who you really love and vibe, your kids even,

48:34

you tell me that farts haven't brought you

48:36

closer together. People love to intellectualize so many things

48:38

in this world. But let's be honest, Josh.

48:40

You're hanging out with somebody close to you. You're

48:42

a couple. Any couple who's listening to this

48:44

right now, you think to yourself. You're a couple,

48:46

you're in bed together. One of you farts.

48:48

Tell me that that moment doesn't bring joy into

48:50

your lives. No, because when you have kids,

48:53

you just blame it on one of the kids.

48:55

Yeah, but it's funny. But it's funny. You

48:57

see? It brings you something. You fought with your

48:59

friends. When do you not fart? When you

49:01

do not fart with people that you are not

49:03

comfortable with, environments that you are not comfortable

49:05

in, right? In environments. So what I'm saying is,

49:08

the fart is a great measure for

49:10

where you are most comfortable. Ah, let

49:12

it loose. Let it rip. But

49:14

you're consenting to the fart coming out. Yes.

49:16

Because you're comfortable. Yes, but the other I'm

49:18

not consenting to the thought coming out. And

49:20

if I consent to the thought coming out,

49:22

I just say it. That's why we have

49:24

mouths. No, no, no, no, no, no. But

49:26

what I'm saying is here, I'm helping people,

49:28

just letting it come out. Okay, so I

49:30

have three questions because I once again, I

49:32

think this is a very interesting idea When

49:34

your thought comes out. Yes. Can you talk

49:36

while your thought comes out? You

49:38

can't talk at the same time. You can't talk

49:40

at the same time as your thought comes out.

49:42

You can't think a different thing to what you're

49:44

saying. Okay Because you can think so fast because

49:46

you can think faster than you

49:48

can speak you could speak and then think and

49:50

then the thought comes out right after that's

49:52

true that's true so you could say oh this

49:54

is the best sex I ever had and

49:57

then your brain goes no it's not yeah yes

49:59

that's okay yeah you can you can do

50:01

that yes then the other two things which I

50:03

feel like are the sticking points for can

50:05

I tell you why can I let me ask

50:07

you so I'll tell you why because I

50:09

think in my world, I think there could be

50:11

something beautiful on the other side of the

50:13

friction that we would experience initially. Because yes, I

50:15

understand where you're coming from. Please don't get

50:17

me wrong. Even me myself, when I came up

50:19

with this idea, I was like, Trevor, this

50:21

is crazy. To me myself, right? Because

50:23

I challenged myself as well. And then I thought,

50:25

but think about how beautiful this moment could

50:27

be. You're having sex with somebody, right? They

50:29

go, this is the best sex I ever

50:31

had. Then their brain voice comes out and

50:33

goes, no, it's not. I've had much better

50:35

sex. No,

50:38

no, no, no. Now they, you

50:40

wouldn't even think about, is marriage

50:42

the first time you guys are having sex?

50:44

No, but what if somebody is thinking about

50:46

an ex or thinking about what they sex?

50:48

is fine. I think that this opens us

50:50

up to the world of intimacy that we

50:52

often act like isn't happening already. And I

50:54

think, so for instance, somebody says, this is

50:56

the best sex. No, it's not. Then you

50:59

could say, oh, why did you lie to

51:01

me? Now your brain might even say that.

51:03

People are going to get shot. Oh, Christina,

51:05

why are you jumping? Men are going to shoot their wives,

51:07

and wives are going to stab their husbands. Okay, Christina, you

51:10

understand that people are not having sex for the first

51:12

time when they're married. You're jumping straight to that. People have

51:14

had sex along the way. Sure,

51:16

but you've had sex along the

51:18

way. You see here a thought,

51:20

and someone just like, oh, her

51:22

titties are lopsided. You

51:25

shag them. I

51:28

think you're just... And I love, I love

51:30

what, I love why the intention behind it.

51:32

Like I'm not hating on NeoJay for real.

51:34

You want like this radical transparency and honesty

51:36

and freedom and liberation. Yeah, I just think

51:38

it could, and it could be fun. It

51:40

could be fun and are very emotional and...

51:42

But I'm saying that would happen only because

51:44

now you, we're in it. Remember, we'll become

51:46

a little more robust as people. This is

51:48

like how we are. I don't think so.

51:51

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51:54

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These are the sticking points I have, right?

54:10

Okay. Is that one, we know this

54:12

from comedy. All three of us know this

54:14

from comedy. That sometimes you have a

54:16

comedic thought, which is a joke. Yes. And

54:18

people will see you perform the joke

54:20

in a place that's also a setting for

54:22

jokes. Yes. And they'll still be like,

54:24

they meant it. Okay. So now

54:27

a thought that is like a sexy thought

54:29

or I'm just thinking or I'm thinking whatever. is

54:31

gonna now seem like, cause remember, you

54:33

can't hear the thoughts when we're not being

54:35

intimate. So now the only time I

54:38

hear your thoughts, it's gonna be a thing

54:40

that might be slightly negative or be

54:42

a thing that like takes the fantasy too

54:44

far. Cause you gotta remember for people

54:46

who are in the like S and M

54:48

or anything like that. There might be

54:50

a ball bit where it's like, you're concentrally

54:52

choking someone who wants to be choked,

54:54

but in your head, in your head you're

54:56

like, I'm gonna kill you. And

54:59

now, you are never gonna kill them.

55:02

You're never gonna kill them. But they

55:04

were here. So

55:06

now they're like... No, but then they

55:08

would say in their brain, please don't

55:10

kill me. Why did they stop thinking?

55:12

They would be like, you're gonna kill

55:14

me? And then your brain would go

55:16

like, no, I'm not gonna kill you.

55:18

No, no, we're playing. We're playing. But

55:20

now, now you've distracted from the thing

55:22

that they were enjoying, which was the

55:24

like, little rough, chalky thing. Because now

55:26

you had to think around the thing

55:28

you would have been. I can take

55:30

this. this. I've got something as well.

55:32

Because I'm married. I'm just in married

55:34

and couple lands. What does this

55:36

mean for casual sex? Because most sex, really,

55:38

that people are having, like, whether you're someone

55:40

you've swiped on Tinder or Grindr, it's

55:42

a stranger. It could be someone you met

55:44

at a club. Loving it. What does it

55:46

mean for casual sex? What

55:49

does it mean it? It

55:51

could be like an encounter. I think it

55:53

would be great. And the guy's like, oh my

55:55

god, what if my wife finds out? And

55:57

you're like, what? Shit, you got what? But that's

55:59

fantastic. You see, you're just telling me a

56:01

good thing. No, that's double stabs. Because now you

56:03

get stabbed. I think this is good thing.

56:05

But remember, I said, when you are being intimate.

56:07

So I'm saying, even like when you start

56:09

kissing, and remember, I didn't just say sex. I

56:11

said the intimacy as soon as you be

56:13

Oh, you did say that, yeah. So

56:15

like from the moment, you know that

56:18

moment where we like, We like look

56:20

at somebody and then there's the silence

56:22

then we think something Then the voice

56:24

would come out and be like I

56:26

wonder if now is a good time

56:28

to kiss them Isn't there something isn't

56:30

there like an app that we could

56:32

I think there's just something that's an

56:34

in -between I think like I like

56:36

the school of sex thing that you

56:38

were talking about that we don't have

56:40

yes I think there's lots of steps

56:43

we can get to before this kind

56:45

of black mirror world where people know

56:47

sex Because you got to remember this

56:49

is the the only other thing that

56:51

I'm not saying it's a terrible. It

56:53

just feels like the most extreme fashion

56:55

of this problem we're trying to solve.

56:57

It does feel like radical honesty, but

56:59

I think that there's a world where

57:01

because you and I, Trevor, are both

57:03

men and we understand what men are

57:06

like. Yes. I had to sit down

57:08

a couple of my friends who did

57:10

not believe me when I told them

57:12

there were plenty of men in this

57:14

world who will act flamboyant, they'll even

57:16

act gay. to like get in with

57:18

you and now that they're your gay

57:20

best friend and y 'all touch or y

57:22

'all play or whatever now you're like

57:24

oh i've never thought about you this

57:26

way and i've never been with the

57:28

one but all lies all lies again

57:31

literally that much of a long game

57:33

and i i worry that you will

57:35

create jet eyes of men who

57:37

know their thoughts are going to be

57:39

heard. So they're like, I got it. Because

57:41

you got to remember. You got to

57:43

remember. A lot of people will be

57:45

able to control their thoughts to that

57:47

point. Because because this is the

57:49

thing, they know when it's going to be turned on.

57:51

So they know how they have to think for it.

57:53

Then they know when it's going off. So then they

57:56

can be like, OK, right? Right

57:58

after she leaves. I'm saying already

58:00

in this analogy. Yes. A

58:02

lot of guys during sex are

58:04

trying not to end sex. They're fighting

58:06

to keep the sex going. Yes.

58:08

So a lot of what you'll hear

58:10

are baseball statistics. A

58:13

lot of it will, a lot

58:15

of it will just be

58:17

like the Great Bamboni. And

58:20

so now she's like, why is

58:22

he, why is he just doing

58:24

numbers in his head? But I

58:26

think you are spending, you are

58:28

doing what, what I did. when

58:31

I first heard about Airbnb and

58:33

Uber. The first time I heard about

58:35

Airbnb, I was like, this is never

58:37

gonna work. I remember hearing

58:39

about it as a concept. They said,

58:41

this is app. People stay at strangers'

58:43

houses. I was like, this will never

58:45

work. Nobody is gonna allow a stranger

58:47

to come into their home and live

58:49

there. Sometimes stay with

58:51

them. That'll never happen. Nobody

58:53

trusts each other. Uber, I remember being like,

58:55

this is the craziest idea I've ever heard.

58:58

You're telling me, People are

59:00

gonna drive their own car to

59:02

pick you up and they don't know

59:04

you and they're not a professional

59:06

driver They're just a random driver. I

59:08

was like, I don't know and

59:10

yet look We get into Ubers with

59:12

strangers all the time we go

59:14

live at Airbnb all the time and

59:16

yes, there's the occasional friction I'm

59:18

not saying it's perfect, but for the

59:21

most part it works and I

59:23

I honestly both of you as Brilliant

59:25

thinkers and as my friends I

59:27

hear what you're saying But

59:29

I think you're focusing on the friction side of

59:31

it more than you are on what comes

59:33

from the other side of it. So

59:35

to your point, I think

59:37

there would be something beautiful in

59:39

the person who's having sex

59:41

with the man going baseball stats.

59:44

And then he goes, yes, I'm

59:47

trying to prolong my ejaculation.

59:49

I'm trying to make sure

59:51

that I don't ejaculate. Oh,

59:53

just did it because I mentioned it. And

59:58

now where are we? See, you interrupted my stats.

1:00:00

No, but you see, but now I think it

1:00:02

opens up. There's an intimacy because now she can

1:00:04

go, oh, why are you trying that hard not

1:00:06

to ejaculate? Oh, I think there's like something that

1:00:08

can open up in a way that that right

1:00:10

now we don't have in sex. This is what

1:00:12

I'm saying. Why don't you just go to a

1:00:14

sex therapist? Cristiano, how can

1:00:16

people just afford sex therapists randomly? You

1:00:19

rule the world. You can give sex

1:00:21

therapy away for free. Yes. But now that's

1:00:23

like everyone has to go through the

1:00:25

thing and do the thing. I'm just instantly.

1:00:28

We're in it. I really need you to sell

1:00:30

me on what the upside of this is.

1:00:32

I'm really, I'm really, I'm not focusing on. Okay,

1:00:35

I'll tell you that there are three upsides. I think I can

1:00:37

help you on the upside. So there are three upsides that I

1:00:40

think. Upside number one, I think we

1:00:42

lose a lot of intimacy and sex. because

1:00:44

we hide numerous things. We hide

1:00:46

the fact that we're uncomfortable. We hide

1:00:48

the fact that we don't know

1:00:50

how we feel for the other person.

1:00:52

We hide so many things that

1:00:54

I think rob us of the intimacy

1:00:56

that we could be experiencing. So,

1:00:58

from fresh hookups all the way to married

1:01:01

couples. You know how many guys out there have

1:01:03

no idea how, quote, unquote, terrible the sex

1:01:05

was with the girl they were with? And she's

1:01:07

like, I don't know if I can... I

1:01:09

really liked the date that we went on, but

1:01:11

that was just horrible. And this

1:01:13

person doesn't know they're a nice person. And then

1:01:15

maybe they become less of a nice person because

1:01:17

they're like, why don't I get second hookups or

1:01:19

we go on dates and they like me. But

1:01:21

this happens, right? And then also for a woman,

1:01:23

it's like, imagine what it's like to be you

1:01:25

in a world where you're not getting great sex

1:01:27

because you don't to hurt the person's feet. But

1:01:29

now it's not you. The thing is just happening

1:01:31

to her. So the first thing I'm saying is

1:01:33

I think it would open up a lot of

1:01:35

intimacy channel. These are the upsides. I understand the

1:01:37

downsides. I think another thing it would do is

1:01:39

it would. help people voice the moment where they're

1:01:41

uncomfortable, where I think sometimes the other person doesn't

1:01:43

even know. And I think this can happen both

1:01:45

ways. Sometimes people are uncomfortable. And it would

1:01:47

be great if your brain could just say, I'm uncomfortable. And

1:01:50

then you go like, oh, damn, you're uncomfortable. OK.

1:01:52

But don't you worry that by creating this

1:01:54

shortcut, then people just aren't going to do what

1:01:56

I think is the proper work of spending

1:01:58

time and getting to know. someone and whether it's

1:02:00

your casual hookup or whether it's like people

1:02:02

have been together for a long time if you

1:02:04

know their thoughts are just going to be

1:02:06

downloaded to you you're like I'm not gonna ask

1:02:08

my wife about her day. I just know

1:02:10

during sex I'm gonna hear about. Oh, that bitch

1:02:12

in the office was talking about me. No,

1:02:15

but that depends on what people think about during

1:02:17

sex. I think we should give people some

1:02:19

credit. Some people are able to really focus on

1:02:21

this sex. We can't focus. We're on our

1:02:23

phones all the time. No, I think there's a

1:02:25

lot of times when people are having sex

1:02:27

going, this feels amazing. I love this person so

1:02:29

much. I'm so lucky. What an

1:02:31

amazing experience. I don't want to... Yeah, whatever

1:02:33

it might be. But I think there

1:02:35

are those upsides. Okay. And so

1:02:37

I... I'm willing to take a

1:02:39

little bit of the friction for

1:02:41

what I think could be a

1:02:43

beautiful, open, honest, and

1:02:45

interesting conversation that we could be

1:02:47

having during sex. This is the

1:02:49

thing I was going to say

1:02:51

that might help you. Who knows? People

1:02:54

probably, I'm assuming,

1:02:56

don't quite have. some

1:02:59

of the sensitivities that they have in our

1:03:01

current world. That's what I mean, because it's

1:03:03

always been like this. It's always been like

1:03:05

this. So they just know that that's what

1:03:07

happens during sex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, gotcha.

1:03:09

It's the same way. You're asking me, like,

1:03:11

do I want to live in a world

1:03:13

where this is true? That's what I mean,

1:03:15

because think of it this way. Thank you,

1:03:17

Josh, actually, because think of how crazy our

1:03:19

current sex is. Imagine if we lived in

1:03:21

an alternate universe and I had pitched this

1:03:23

to you and I said, If

1:03:25

I ruled the world, I would

1:03:28

make it so that whenever people

1:03:30

orgasm, their face goes like this,

1:03:32

and then they go like... I

1:03:34

don't think either of you would

1:03:36

say yes to that. You might

1:03:38

even say, why would anyone have

1:03:40

sex? If you're gonna end it

1:03:42

with... Why would anyone have sex?

1:03:44

So, I thank you, Josh,

1:03:46

because that is exactly what I'm saying.

1:03:48

Yes, to us, it is weird now

1:03:50

because we think tomorrow it'll be that.

1:03:52

But for the people of this world

1:03:54

that I rule... it will be like

1:03:56

that. There was no other way. And

1:03:58

so I think their journey will come

1:04:01

with different frictions, but I think a

1:04:03

more holistic, honest and intimate experience. Okay.

1:04:06

I think I might be out

1:04:08

of questions, but I guess my

1:04:10

other thing is that not to

1:04:12

lean heavily on the friction forever,

1:04:14

but I guess there are things

1:04:16

of like, even if we're having

1:04:18

a coffee together and you just

1:04:20

keep checking your phone. You're

1:04:22

giving me the impression you want to

1:04:24

be somewhere else and you want to do

1:04:26

something else. Yes. So then when I'm

1:04:28

like, hey, are you late? Do you need

1:04:30

to go? Whatever. And you're like, no,

1:04:32

no, no, I'm fine. But then you do

1:04:34

keep doing this. Yes. That for me,

1:04:37

I think you'll have a hard time while

1:04:39

sex will become more honest and more

1:04:41

like understanding of what the experience was for

1:04:43

both people. I wonder if you. would

1:04:45

not actually slightly increase the amount

1:04:47

of bad sex because of just

1:04:49

how the brain works. Even in

1:04:51

your alternate universe, where people know

1:04:54

this is gonna happen, there's still

1:04:56

a level of like, sex is

1:04:58

already the most intimate thing you

1:05:00

can do with a person. So

1:05:02

if they are clearly thinking about

1:05:04

someone else or don't wanna be

1:05:06

there, while consenting in a way,

1:05:08

like don't, I have stuff to

1:05:10

do. I think in this world,

1:05:12

we haven't considered sex workers. And

1:05:16

if you're a sex worker

1:05:18

and it's your occupation, sometimes

1:05:20

you're at your job and you're not

1:05:22

enjoying your job. I'm thinking about sex workers.

1:05:24

Yeah, because if you went to a

1:05:26

restaurant and then they're taking your order, but

1:05:28

they're also like, this dumbass forehead. That

1:05:31

would be like, oh, I don't even

1:05:33

know if I want to eat here anymore.

1:05:35

just feel like for people that do

1:05:37

sex work in this unit, because they're going

1:05:39

to be sex work, prostitution, it's the

1:05:41

oldest job in the world. There's no multiverse

1:05:44

where it doesn't... don't have it. I

1:05:46

feel like if you're a sex worker

1:05:49

and you know that every client is going

1:05:51

to have insight into what you're thinking, it

1:05:53

makes the job harder. And their work is

1:05:55

hard enough for us. Okay.

1:05:59

I'm ready for my votes. Okay. I'm

1:06:02

actually going to vote yes, right?

1:06:04

I'm voting yes because I do think

1:06:06

there are a lot of people

1:06:08

who don't deserve to be having sex.

1:06:12

And this will ruin them.

1:06:14

This will. This will

1:06:16

completely. This

1:06:19

will take them down, right? Like

1:06:21

I said before about us being men

1:06:23

and us like knowing what other

1:06:25

men are like. Yes. And I'm like,

1:06:28

if if if there was a

1:06:30

thing. that was not me as

1:06:32

your friend, to like one of

1:06:34

my female friends, right? Who was

1:06:36

telling on him right now, if there

1:06:38

was something he could do that could tell

1:06:40

on himself, maybe you'd finally see it.

1:06:42

Yeah, actually that's a good point. I think

1:06:45

that only in a world like this

1:06:47

will that happen. Yeah. And so I would

1:06:49

say, I do consider the sex

1:06:51

work part of what you're talking about,

1:06:53

because then sex workers would have to become

1:06:55

Jedi experts at like... But nobody can

1:06:57

in my world. They can't do the Jedi

1:06:59

thing. What's in your mind? It's what's

1:07:01

really in your mind. Okay. Okay.

1:07:05

Well, then it's worth

1:07:07

the takedown of terrible

1:07:09

people. So I will vote

1:07:11

yes. Thank you so much. No

1:07:14

surprises. I'm going to

1:07:16

vote no. But I actually

1:07:18

do appreciate the problem you're

1:07:20

trying to solve. Okay. And

1:07:22

I think if the steps

1:07:25

before getting to this like

1:07:27

brain thing, Good steps, and

1:07:29

I just worry like a Elon Musk

1:07:31

type could hack it. Well, you know,

1:07:33

it's just no hacking. It's in my

1:07:35

world. It's perfect Unhackable the idea is

1:07:37

not even perfect but I mean the

1:07:40

execution is you know what I think

1:07:42

could have won Christiana over there is

1:07:44

if your world where you do this

1:07:46

thing is like the the Total recall

1:07:48

thing so you put the thing on

1:07:50

and then you can hear the thoughts

1:07:52

what but it's like a thing that

1:07:55

you have to switch on no Okay

1:07:57

Trevor, because you could sway me

1:07:59

to be a yes. If

1:08:02

is there an opt -in opt

1:08:04

-out option? Oh,

1:08:06

that's interesting. I'm in for that. So

1:08:08

if there's opt -in... Oh yeah, I'm

1:08:10

definitely in for that. Okay, I vote

1:08:12

yes. Wait, no, then I gotta vote

1:08:14

no. How do

1:08:16

I just lose you? Because every dude I was trying

1:08:18

to destroy will now opt out. Or he'll convince

1:08:20

his girl to opt out. But now wouldn't that be

1:08:23

just... Okay, I hear what you're saying there. But

1:08:25

I mean, that would be suspicious. Imagine you're gonna have

1:08:27

sex with someone and it's like... So we both...

1:08:29

You wanna do some honest sex? And they're like, nah,

1:08:31

I don't do that. Yeah,

1:08:33

what do you think condoms are, bro? That's

1:08:38

what people do at

1:08:40

half the time. Hey,

1:08:43

you on birth control or whatever, right?

1:08:45

Okay. Okay. All

1:08:47

right, so I would get a yes from you, but

1:08:49

then I would flip to a no from you. I'm

1:08:51

sorry. Whose vote do you value more? Ah, the opt

1:08:53

-in is so much fun. Yeah, opt -in opt -out, I

1:08:55

think it's great. The opt -in mix is so much fun.

1:08:57

Let me tell you something about opt -in or opt -out.

1:08:59

For couples, that can be the thing

1:09:01

that makes it really risky. So like, are we going

1:09:03

to wear the headset tonight? I actually like this

1:09:05

a lot, just like the idea of like, yo, you

1:09:07

want to be in my head tonight? Yeah, yeah.

1:09:09

There's something sexy in that. if it's opt -in opt -out.

1:09:11

Absolutely, but if it's like a thing that a

1:09:13

feature all humans have in this science fiction No, I

1:09:15

like yours because it just brought more mischief into

1:09:18

my world But I actually like it being everyone and

1:09:20

everything because I think sometimes people are tired and

1:09:22

they don't want to have sex and then they have

1:09:24

sex and then there's too many things So I

1:09:26

still like it no opt -in no opt -out no manipulation.

1:09:28

No one convincing you to opt in or telling

1:09:30

you why you should opt out. Someone's going to make

1:09:32

a church of opt -outers and be like, it's sinful

1:09:34

to opt in. There'll be a whole thing. OK,

1:09:36

I'm sorry. Then it's a no. OK. Yeah,

1:09:38

but it is a yes from me. Well, I'll take

1:09:40

my one vote. Josh got one

1:09:42

vote for his, if I rule the world. I

1:09:44

got one vote for my, if I rule the

1:09:46

world. And Christiana, once again, you

1:09:49

are the champion of if

1:09:51

I ruled the world. Thank

1:09:53

you to everyone who submitted

1:09:55

their suggestions to us, by

1:09:57

the way. For all

1:09:59

of you got the yeses, I envy you,

1:10:02

and to all of you who got

1:10:04

the no's, I feel your pain.

1:10:06

I feel it like Josh, like

1:10:08

Josh sent it to me in my bones.

1:10:10

This was fun. Thanks, y 'all. 'all. Yeah, thanks.

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