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the banner to go to monday.com. Something

1:02

very bad has happened, and somebody is

1:05

about to get in a lot of

1:07

trouble. We have

1:09

gone to quite a massive

1:11

effort to get lovely Jo

1:13

Millington to actually, for free,

1:16

take the piece of... the one piece of

1:18

evidence we had for this case, which was

1:21

the gray hair that we found on the

1:23

suitcase, and she's currently forensically examining it. You

1:25

seem to mention very in passing after we'd

1:27

arranged this, and we've told you multiple times

1:30

we're doing this. Tell all

1:32

the podcast listeners, Helen, what you mentioned to

1:34

me casually. I'm pretty sure that's my hair.

1:38

Helen. I said it. I said

1:40

it at the time. I literally

1:42

don't know what to say. Helen,

1:45

this is problematic on so many

1:47

levels. A, I don't

1:49

remember you having short, spiky gray hair. So

1:51

how could that be your hair?

1:53

Because you all got long hair. A bit of

1:55

it was actually flapping out, because the exhibits officer

1:58

over here that I'm looking at right now... didn't

2:00

actually package it up properly. The only evidence

2:02

was not correctly taped down. It was sticking

2:04

out the evidence, just freely being exposed to

2:06

the world, and I probably touched it. So

2:09

it's probably got my DNA on it now.

2:11

So now I'm going to get framed for

2:13

this crime. I just sometimes feel like you

2:15

guys get a notion and you sort of

2:18

run away with it, and it's kind of

2:20

nonsensical. Because I remember at the time telling

2:22

you this, like, you've got selective memories, both

2:24

of you do. I remember saying it's probably

2:26

my hair. Okay, Helen, let's

2:28

just say, let's just for argument's

2:31

sake say, at the time you

2:33

told us 14 times that it was your

2:35

hair. Let's just say that happened.

2:37

Let's just say that happened, just for argument's

2:39

sake. Suddenly, Karen and I are talking

2:41

in our group, WhatsApp group, oh, we're so excited to

2:43

talk to Jo Melientown. We're going to send the piece

2:45

of hair. Karen's like, can you go to

2:47

the basement and find the hair? I'm like, no thanks, I'd

2:49

rather not. And she goes, go down to the fucking basement,

2:51

find the hair. Constant back and forth messages about the hair.

2:55

At no point did you say, hey, might

2:57

I remind you that that's my hair, don't

2:59

bother. This is the first time

3:01

someone's been really in trouble in this case, and

3:04

I'm just happy it's not me. I just honestly

3:06

think how we're going to manage this relationship, because

3:08

Jo Melientown is potentially one of my

3:11

favorite people, not only on this podcast, but potentially

3:13

on Earth. How are we going to fucking prove

3:15

to her that we're worthy of her help? Helen!

3:23

Yeah. Yeah, it's not

3:25

great, is it, Alan? No, not great, it's

3:27

really not. Right, I'm going

3:29

to get a biscuit. Jo,

3:33

I just can't, I'm so very

3:35

incredibly grateful that you have done

3:37

something very professional for us. Well,

3:41

it's an ongoing process. In

3:43

the real business, do you usually have an equivalent

3:46

detective that you work with doing a drum roll

3:48

or something? Like, how do you, how does this

3:50

usually work in the real world? Obviously,

3:53

that would be nice. But

3:57

no, we just not only work on my own. finish

4:00

it, have a ginger biscuit or something to

4:03

celebrate. Well, we'll

4:05

add a massive drum roll in sound

4:07

design so you can have what you

4:09

deserve. Okay. So

4:11

imagine the drum roll is happening right

4:13

now. Okay. And then it ends now.

4:20

So I received the package. I've

4:22

got it in front of me here. In that

4:24

package, there was a little sticky

4:26

piece of cellitate with a hair stuck to it.

4:28

So I took that to the laboratory to

4:31

try and establish whether or not we could figure

4:34

out what type of hair it was. I went

4:36

to a secret location with

4:40

people that didn't consent to being

4:42

filmed. Yes,

4:45

Joe. Unfortunately,

4:47

a little bit of the hair

4:49

was poking over the end of the tape.

4:52

That's not ideal because it means that it's kind

4:54

of been out in the

4:56

fresh air for a little while. So anyway,

4:58

so we got that safely under the microscope

5:00

side. This is when we start to work

5:03

out what it is. So we're going to dive

5:05

straight in on that. Are you ready for it? Yes.

5:08

Another drum roll. Okay. So the results

5:10

are in and we have a

5:12

match. The medulla, which is a bit

5:14

in the middle, was compartmentalised. So

5:17

it looked like little squares all

5:19

the way along the shaft of

5:21

the hair. And

5:23

that in itself tells us

5:26

that it's animal. It's

5:34

animal, so it's not human. I've

5:37

got a little tiny thing to come clean,

5:39

two tiny things to come clean about.

5:41

This could be the time when you

5:43

start to confess as to how that

5:45

hair got there. If

5:48

any of you have a cat or a dog, I'd

5:50

be very interested to hear about it. There's

5:52

two things to kind of come

5:54

clean about. I think all of us here

5:57

were hoping for the

5:59

investigation. that the hair would be human

6:01

and lead us to our suspect. However,

6:04

there's a bit of relief right now because

6:07

shortly after we spoke to you last,

6:09

and honestly, Lauren and I did not know this,

6:13

our exhibits officer, he sat right next to

6:15

me here, had

6:17

a bit of a confession to make. Well, I thought

6:19

that it might be mine. I've

6:24

just sent you a WhatsApp picture of when

6:27

I went through the photos that we took as

6:29

we were extracting this

6:31

forensic evidence. That

6:33

was the exhibits officer in action as she was

6:37

collecting the hair. And

6:39

I don't know if you could just see if

6:42

there's any flaws you see with this process of

6:44

the exhibits officer. Well,

6:46

there's a few obviously. I

6:49

mean, the reason

6:51

why gloves are in pairs is

6:53

that so you wear both. So

6:57

wearing one glove is

6:59

probably not ideal. When

7:02

I looked through the photos, I saw

7:04

that Helen's forensic hood was

7:07

off because it was quite hot that day. Her

7:09

ears were exposed, which means that the little tufts

7:11

of hair around her ears were also exposed, and

7:13

those are most likely to be short gray ones.

7:15

I've been speaking to her head before, and I

7:18

get the impression that Helen's got quite short gray

7:20

hairs around the ears. So I think when you're

7:22

exposing your ears to a crime scene, it's likely

7:24

that some are just gonna fall off. So

7:27

what we've got is we can

7:29

absolutely, conclusively exclude that it's human

7:31

in origin. So then what

7:33

we need to try and do is figure

7:35

out whether or not we can narrow

7:38

down the list of the animal

7:40

kingdom and figure out what type

7:42

of animal hair it is. What

7:44

we've done so far is we've

7:46

compared your suitcase hair

7:49

to a number of

7:51

control animals. And

7:54

so as an example, we've gone through pig, dog,

7:57

cat, wombat, horse,

8:00

rabbit, deer, rats. Wombat?

8:03

A meme. Really? Can we go back

8:05

to the wombat? No, she makes my

8:07

world pet. Well,

8:10

I included that because of your

8:13

heritage. But

8:16

I just thought maybe you brought it there. Lauren

8:21

is part wombat. I

8:25

really like her. Well, you might have a pet wombat. If

8:28

we had a pet wombat and then

8:30

it had dropped off your jumper or

8:32

something, then we need to figure that out.

8:34

So we can exclude

8:36

pig, horse, rabbit, deer

8:39

and rat. And

8:41

we can exclude wombat. So

8:43

we're left at the moment with dog,

8:47

cat, cat and

8:49

mink. As

8:52

we narrow, as we're narrowing it down

8:54

to dog, cat or mink. I

8:57

think Lauren has the next slight

8:59

confession to make. We

9:04

didn't necessarily secure the scene of the crime.

9:06

And even if we had, what would we

9:08

have used that tape and the cat could

9:10

have just gone under the tape anyway. But

9:12

essentially we didn't shut the door to the

9:14

lounge. And

9:17

as a result, a cat made

9:19

its way into the crime scene

9:21

and onto the brown paper where

9:23

we were inspecting the two items

9:26

twice. So there's

9:28

a cat entering the forensic examination area. That's the cat

9:30

I nearly killed. Oh my, Mike, I've got to get

9:32

rid of the cat. This could be... All

9:35

right. There you go. Job

9:37

done. It's coming back. The

9:40

cat is entering forensic space. What

9:43

colour was it? It was white. No,

9:46

it wasn't white. It was black and white.

9:49

What? If

9:56

I had to put my house

9:58

on the line. Which I'm

10:00

obviously not gonna do because I've already Given

10:04

you too much of my time already,

10:06

but I genuinely think it's

10:08

dog or cat I

10:11

feel pretty morally corrupt having submitted

10:13

an animal hair to Joe Millington

10:15

to professionally examine I'm feel pretty

10:18

mortified. I'm just relieved. It's not

10:20

mine I'm just

10:22

concerned about what other like real job

10:24

tasks you've set aside in order to

10:26

examine our Kit

10:29

here what crimes I've lost a forensic

10:31

scientist for the day because of us.

10:33

Yeah, I know Let's not think about

10:35

it in all honesty How

10:37

many hours from beginning to end

10:39

of this goose chase? Let's call it.

10:42

Have you spent on this hair on this

10:44

hair? Yeah, probably Good

10:47

a good day. I would say oh That's

10:50

not just me that's a

10:53

team I'm so sorry Joe. Oh

10:55

God die It's

10:58

fine A

11:05

wise person once said we

11:07

learn from failure not from

11:09

success I don't

11:11

actually know if it was a wise person

11:13

involved in that saying but it comes up

11:15

if you google inspirational quotes about mistakes We

11:19

have a real opportunity here to

11:21

own our forensic failures to learn

11:23

from them and to grow Somebody

11:26

also possibly once said don't

11:28

waste a good mistake learn

11:30

from it So

11:33

dearest Joe Millington if you're listening to

11:36

this here is a promise a Promise

11:38

which now features in a podcast episode

11:41

for anyone to hear We

11:43

will never ever Let

11:46

Helen near a crime scene again This

11:49

is episode 9 of the case of

11:52

the tiny suitcase We

11:55

have two days left in Sweden two

11:59

days together catch the mastermind.

12:02

We're looking for a person who Vanya

12:04

knows and trusts, and

12:06

who also knows Christina. We

12:10

have learned two very key

12:13

pieces of information. Number

12:15

one, the phone call. Yesterday,

12:19

which was Thursday the 30th of June, at

12:23

around 7.30pm, Vanya

12:26

called to tell us, I

12:28

have information. We

12:30

later found out that she had just come

12:32

off the phone with the perpetrator before calling

12:35

us. So in order for us

12:37

to crack this case, we need

12:39

to get our hands on suspect's

12:41

phones, check their phone history, and

12:43

find the person who received a

12:45

phone call from Vanya before 7.30pm

12:47

on that day. Number

12:51

two, emotional

12:55

attachment to the suitcase. Vanya

12:58

has told us that the mastermind wants

13:00

their suitcase back. So there

13:02

has to be some sort of sentimental

13:04

value attached to the suitcase. Could

13:07

it have been owned by the perpetrator's

13:09

grandparents or great-grandparents? Could

13:12

this be a link to the name on

13:14

the suitcase label, W.M. Johnson? We

13:18

have decided that we need to take the

13:20

suitcase out with us today to get it

13:22

in front of suspects and

13:25

then coerce a confession by saying we're going

13:27

to donate it to charity or burn it

13:29

before we leave. Will

13:31

the fear of losing the suitcase make

13:33

the mastermind step forward? Who

13:36

the hell is William

13:38

Johnson? Using

13:41

both of these pieces of information to

13:43

our advantage, there's only one thing we

13:45

can do, and that

13:47

is to go on a rampage and

13:49

confront the final suspects face to face.

13:52

Check their phone history and

13:54

threaten destruction of their beloved

13:57

suitcase. Are

13:59

we going to find the mastermind? to mine today. I

14:09

got bitten last night. Tiny

14:12

little bites. Oh,

14:14

what kind of tiny bites? Not bad bugs.

14:17

No. Mosquitoes. It

14:20

was probably you, Helen. Nibbling.

14:25

Did notice you've got a bit of a hickey there, actually. Here.

14:30

I noticed it in one of the interrogations earlier. Yeah, I didn't want to point

14:32

it out, but... I don't know what that's about.

14:35

I don't know what that's about. I

14:38

don't remember having... You're not

14:40

a love bite kind of person. I did see it this morning.

14:42

I've got one here as well. So you've

14:44

been snacking on it? Yeah. It's

14:47

weird. It's

14:50

not normal behaviour. This is not a fucking sex

14:53

holiday, guys. We're here to solve crimes. We're

14:55

around biting each other's necks. You're not

14:58

a vampire. We did fall in

15:00

between the beds twice last night. It split

15:02

apart. Oh, go on.

15:04

I can't. So it could be an injury

15:06

from that. Oh, so the bed

15:09

sucked your neck. Yeah. And

15:11

drew blood to the surface. Was

15:14

that what happened? It's outrageous.

15:18

You've got a massive hickey. It's so obvious.

15:21

I have to wear a hot scarf in summer. You're

15:24

doing casual scarf. There's

15:26

the tie now. Actually the tie might

15:29

cover it. The tie might cover it.

15:31

You could have put some... What the hell were you doing? Face

15:33

cream on it. Why did

15:35

you suck your neck? I'm more

15:38

worried about that's the thing that you did. We

15:40

are in deep right now. We're in the thick of it.

15:45

Yeah, this is it. This is where it hangs on today

15:47

and tomorrow. The whole fucking case. Are

15:49

we going to just drive there now? Yeah. Is

15:54

she expecting us? No. That's

16:00

the best though. I don't care

16:02

anymore. I'm ready to make people

16:04

feel uncomfortable. I think what's the connection to Helena?

16:06

Who are we going to track down? They're the

16:08

only, she's one of the only other women

16:11

that knows Vanya really well, Aunt Christina. But we're on

16:13

our way to where we think she loves. We haven't

16:15

actually called her. We don't even know what she looks

16:17

like. We don't even know who the fuck this woman

16:20

is or how she fits in. And

16:22

yet we're going to shove up on her torso.

16:24

Christina! She has no idea about the podcast

16:27

even. At least people knew before. Yeah.

16:30

This is worse than chill. Twist. All

16:40

right. How far

16:43

away does this have here? Eight kilometres, eight and a half.

16:46

Be there in 15 minutes. Hello

16:48

there. Hello Christina. How are you?

16:50

Really fine. Linda and I

16:52

are sitting here by the

16:55

seaside in a pretty little

16:57

town drinking lemonade. The sky is

16:59

blue and the sun is hot. Nice

17:01

day to solve a crime, we think.

17:04

We're honing in on a

17:06

few people, specifically someone called Helena.

17:10

Yeah? We're on our way to her house. We're not

17:12

telling her we're coming. We think we've got her addressed

17:14

right. We're going to show up and we're going to

17:16

ambush her and ask her if

17:18

she did it. Yeah.

17:21

Is that okay? Yeah, it's okay.

17:23

Her husband is a psychiatrist, so you

17:26

just take it easy. Oh no. Oh

17:29

no. We're about to get committed. Okay,

17:31

we'll see you soon. See

17:34

you soon, bye. Bye. I, by the

17:36

way, it's not a love bite on my neck because I've got one

17:38

on my leg as well. Are you sure?

17:40

Unless you really went for my leg. I've been scratching, obviously.

17:43

I got bitten last night. I got bit

17:45

on my neck yesterday, so it does make sense. But

17:49

I'm not buying it. Christina doesn't think it's her at all.

17:51

Yeah, but Christina obviously doesn't know, otherwise we would

17:53

have solved it by now. We've only up until

17:55

this point been going on Christina's word. And

17:58

it's not enough. Hey, do you know? I feel

18:00

like a detective for the first time really. Yeah, I'm

18:02

full of rush. Like this is quite- I do feel

18:04

excited. So we're really like getting closer. We're

18:07

on a trail. Where's the theme tune? Get the theme tune

18:09

on. Yeah, get it on. Do you know what I mean?

18:11

Cop chase. Like what are we doing? There's a bit

18:13

of a cop chase. All this way we think that we're gonna like solve something.

18:15

Weew, weew, weew. You're

18:17

about to create the case. I

18:19

can feel it. Helena,

18:22

Helena, Helena, we're coming for you. Oh,

18:24

what? Helena.

18:29

Helena. Helena.

18:32

We're coming for you. Helena. I'm

18:35

with you. Helena. Did

18:38

you do it? We're about to find

18:40

out. Yeah! See you!

18:46

We need to check your phone. That's gonna be

18:48

really hard. What's-

18:51

can I check your phone in Swedish? Helena,

18:54

Helena. Why did

18:56

you do it? Why,

18:58

don't I? Why

19:01

did you do it? You're

19:03

jealous right now. Helena, Helena,

19:06

Helena, you're the one. Yeah!

19:09

She's guilty. She's guilty.

19:12

She did it. She's a

19:14

little bit titic. Now

19:18

what is our strategy with Helena? To

19:20

know. It's not really, let's just wing her.

19:24

Do you know what we're doing here? Can we see your phone? We're

19:30

approaching a woman who looks like she could

19:32

be called Helena. She spots

19:34

us long before we're in talking distance and

19:37

just stands there squinting at us. So

19:39

this long awkward walk as we trespass

19:42

across her land makes

19:44

us feel even more uncomfortable and

19:46

makes the lack of our search

19:48

warrant even more apparent. Hey, are

19:50

you Helena? Yeah? Yeah?

19:52

We're wondering if we could say hello. Can

19:55

we ask you a few questions? Did

19:59

you put a little... suit on Christina's veranda

20:01

yeah was it you if

20:04

no no no not me

20:07

not you no no no no did

20:11

you speak to Vanya on

20:13

the phone yesterday yesterday

20:16

yeah after the no yesterday

20:21

yeah no no I have not speak

20:23

with her now Vanya Vanya yeah no

20:25

no okay is there

20:27

any chance we can see the phone

20:29

calls you made last night

20:32

on your phone the phone codes

20:34

yeah your phone um history yeah

20:36

calling history yes can we look

20:38

at it face ID

20:40

oh yeah okay let's have a look hey this

20:43

is from today no Vanya

20:51

or yesterday no I

20:53

am NOT speaking it was okay we just wanted to

20:57

check your phone

21:01

okay and you're clear you're not a

21:03

suspect anymore you're safe ruled out they're

21:05

not going to jail there's one question

21:07

I have which is that anyone else

21:09

that Vanya and Christina know very well

21:12

yeah that they spend a lot of

21:14

time with huh but you think could

21:16

have done this another

21:18

it's and the suitcase anyone

21:21

else we should speak to have

21:25

you or a car we speak with

21:27

her they have worked together she's very

21:29

interesting person yeah we've been given that

21:31

name before yeah really where does she

21:33

live do you have her

21:35

address yes yeah

21:38

what's her

21:47

address we're getting so aggressive every

21:49

time we get closer we get more and more

21:55

aggressive when you just walked up to her

21:57

phone it up with hearing yes okay I'm

22:00

violating every rule with a

22:03

sleazepam book. Tress

22:05

passing and stealing. Personal

22:08

data. GDPR, I like

22:10

that. Here we go. Is that her address? Okay.

22:12

Let me take a photo of it. I wanted

22:14

the sun. How long is it? 20

22:17

minutes. Brilliant. Let's go.

22:20

Let's go. 20 minutes. I

22:22

think she is... Guilty. Yeah.

22:25

Great. Bye. Bye Helena.

22:29

Orreca. We're coming for you. Coming

22:31

for you. I think this approach is

22:33

working for me. I'm loving it. Oh

22:35

really? Yeah, it's classic. It's turning out in people's houses. We're

22:37

here to get answers and get taken on to the next

22:39

suspect if it doesn't work. The clock is ticking. I

22:42

love the way that each one is passing us with

22:44

quite certainties that the one could be guilty. Yeah,

22:47

I love it. We've got less than 48 hours to solve this

22:49

and we're really popping up. Yeah, I'm loving it. Orreca.

22:55

Orreca. Orreca. Why'd you

22:57

do it? Orreca. Orreca.

23:01

Guilty. Orreca. Why'd you

23:03

do it? Orreca. Guilty.

23:06

Guilty. Chuck

23:09

you down. Noth,

23:15

noth. Who's there? We'll

23:19

go see Orreca but we

23:21

won't know anything about whether or not she'll accept us.

23:23

We're going in blind. So what do we

23:25

know about Orreca? Nothing. Absolutely nothing other

23:28

than her name and where she

23:30

lives. We know

23:32

her address. Yeah, that's where she lives.

23:34

We know that she knows Helena. We

23:37

know she's Swedish. We know that she

23:39

knows Christina. We know

23:41

that she knows Vanya. So

23:43

it's just another person whose phone we need

23:45

to see. Just cut straight

23:47

to the chase. Let me see your phone and

23:49

your call history. Hello, can I have your phone?

23:51

Sure. Lock it with your face please. My

23:55

food. Three

23:57

minutes. What do you guys do when I'm

23:59

not a woman? around. A lot. Give

24:02

it to the love fight. That was probably

24:04

the funniest moment. This is not a sex

24:06

holiday. But

24:09

it's not. And

24:11

you guys are treating it like it is. I'm not even staying

24:13

with my own boyfriend. That's how serious

24:15

I take this case. Just because you like hotels don't you dare try

24:17

and put this on the

24:20

case. She might not know anything about the

24:22

podcast, the suitcase. Yeah. Yeah. We all know

24:24

immediately when she opens the door and sees

24:26

it, she's going to be like, would

24:28

you call this a wild goose chase? It is a bit isn't it?

24:31

An exciting wild goose chase. I

24:34

wouldn't call it a wild goose chase. No. It's a

24:36

crime. They were solving. I

24:39

guess you do have to go through every single lead

24:42

and option. Correct. In order

24:45

to disqualify it. Correct. Thing

24:49

is we've got nothing left apart from this.

24:52

This is the final option. We've got no one

24:54

else after this. Christina's back home

24:56

thinking of names, but she's been thinking all

24:59

night and she's only got one for us.

25:01

So this is it. So we'll look at

25:03

her in the eye and

25:05

then I'll say like, here

25:07

it is. So either she'll look

25:09

really shocked or

25:11

she'll know that

25:14

it's hers. Yeah. Either she'll be slightly afraid

25:16

and confused. Yes. Or she'll be like chuffed.

25:20

Are you guys able to see the difference

25:22

between confusion and excitement on

25:24

people's faces? I reckon so. We're one minute

25:26

away. It's

25:29

not this right. It's the next right.

25:31

Thanks. Guys, we're a team. Oh

25:33

god, I feel sick. Yeah, I

25:35

feel sick too. Oh god, we're here.

25:37

Oh fuck. You've arrived at

25:40

your destination. She's

25:43

home. There's an old man getting out of a car. Who's

25:45

there? Okay. Quickly. We need to be quick because I feel

25:47

like we're... Should I turn around? Oh shit, she's out there.

25:49

She's out there. Don't. Don't take photos.

25:52

What would I do now? Are you going

25:54

in? Oh, you're driving into their house. They

26:00

actually can just watch us from the veranda. Right

26:02

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26:04

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formation, please. Opulence. Confidence?

28:21

Yeah. Shoulders back. We

28:24

have made the decision that the only way

28:26

to present the suitcase back to its owner

28:28

is in the form of a V formation.

28:31

I will be at the front holding the suitcase

28:33

and Helen and Karen will be one layer behind.

28:37

Orenika? Here

28:40

it is. Your suitcase.

28:43

This is yours. We

28:45

know it belongs to you. You

28:48

can stop playing games with us now. You

28:50

want it back in the family? We know

28:52

that now. Here it is. You

28:56

left this on Christina's doorstep? 12 years

28:58

ago. Yeah.

29:02

I think this is really strange. We

29:04

know. Trust us, we know. Here

29:07

it is. You're

29:09

welcome. Would

29:11

you like to come in? Oh, sure. Yeah,

29:14

thanks. All

29:17

right. A little friendly chat. Just

29:19

a little chat amongst friends. Do

29:24

you know somebody called Vanya?

29:26

Yeah. Yeah. Is

29:29

she your friend? Yes. Yes.

29:31

She's like a sister. Oh.

29:34

We've been working together since...

29:40

well, 1978. Very

29:47

close, are you? When did

29:49

you last speak to Vanya? Today?

29:53

Yesterday? Yesterday? Yesterday? On

29:59

the phone. Yeah. What

30:02

did you speak about? Work.

30:07

Yes, I think it was yesterday. Yes,

30:11

yesterday. In what time, roughly?

30:16

And I'd like to know how long that call was. I

30:19

think you're on the wrong track. Yesterday

30:22

at 16.13. 16.13.

30:29

And how long was the call for? Wow.

30:32

12 minutes. Yeah,

30:35

that's the call. I

30:37

think that is the call we're looking for. OK.

30:42

Because we know what happened on that call at that time.

30:44

OK. Oh.

30:48

And what happened was Vanya

30:50

asked you if she

30:53

was allowed to tell us that

30:56

she was involved in

30:59

the incident with the suitcase. And

31:04

you said yes. But

31:08

as long as you don't say it was me. Master's

31:12

seat. But

31:15

it's very funny. You can tell us where, you

31:17

know, we're your friends. Yeah. Oh,

31:20

obviously. Vanya is more a

31:23

friend. Yeah, she's like a

31:25

sister. I

31:29

can make it mysterious for you. I

31:33

don't tell anything. If she said,

31:37

don't say anything, I never

31:39

say anything. It's

31:43

very convenient that Vanya is

31:46

like a sister to you. And

31:49

we know for a fact that she loves

31:51

and trusts the person who she confided in

31:53

yesterday at 4.30. So

31:56

it's a big compliment to you. Maybe it was

31:58

her brother. Who's

32:00

your brother? Morgan Morgan

32:02

who's Morgan? I don't know

32:04

about Morgan He

32:09

is a real brother Morgan

32:13

but first before we just deflect onto Morgan

32:15

away Yeah Did

32:19

you honestly did you do it? Did

32:21

you did you ask Vanya to put

32:23

the suitcase on Christina's veranda? No,

32:26

are you the mastermind? Are

32:29

you the clever clever mastermind who came up

32:31

with the idea? Did

32:38

you put the tiny suit on Christina's or did

32:41

you order someone to put the tiny suit on

32:43

Christina's porch No, I

32:45

think it's Morgan. Why do

32:48

you think it's Morgan? He's He's

32:51

a crazy person Does

32:53

he know Christina? Well, yeah.

32:55

Yeah, he lives nearby Perfect.

32:57

What's his address? And

33:01

is there in a red house with

33:03

this Norwegian woman? Could

33:07

this be the link to Norway that we've been

33:09

looking for Could the

33:11

Norwegian woman be the one who owned

33:14

the color line ferries bag? So

33:17

you're being a hundred percent truthful to us today.

33:19

You're not lying to us. No that

33:21

phone call though That's pretty suspicious. We might be coming

33:24

back to you. You can take a photograph of them.

33:26

Yeah, we will Do you send each other text messages

33:28

as well SMS or WhatsApp?

33:30

No, I didn't do you do that with

33:32

her? Sometimes yes. Can we

33:34

see those? Can we say the text? What's

33:41

on it first, it's okay I'm

33:45

flowing to the letter. I'm

33:48

just the wife Yeah, oh god, maybe

33:50

we're gonna expose the thing They

33:53

think often when we work the Vanya

33:55

is my wife. Oh, yeah. Yeah It's

34:00

you, his wife. She'd

34:02

be a great wife, but you're a great wife as well,

34:05

I can imagine. Let's have a look

34:07

here, shall we? Ah. Is he Miss? Ah.

34:11

Ah. What are you hiding

34:13

your point? What's that? They don't

34:15

really Swedish. Oh, do you? I'm fluent. Jog,

34:18

taliska. She can speak of it. Yeah, that's

34:20

right. Nice, you're in Sweden. Vanya, it is nice, but we

34:22

need to solve this crime. Is

34:25

it today? No. Long

34:28

time ago. The

34:31

latest was... Yesterday. The

34:33

one to the sixth fonder. Sixth fonder,

34:36

Joan, what does that say? Okay,

34:39

I'll call you in a moment. For

34:42

God's sake. Do I have a

34:44

problem? Yeah, we have a problem. I have a

34:46

problem. More of you. Yeah,

34:50

well, that's that then. Yeah.

34:53

Yeah. Did lead. Thank

34:55

you. Thank you for letting us trespass. I'm

34:58

sorry. We're

35:03

now waking up to a brand new day. Good

35:06

morning, Helen. Hey, how you doing? After

35:08

spending the evening researching Morgan. Good,

35:11

how are you feeling? I'm prioritising sleepover for breakfast and

35:13

I feel okay. Okay, good. I brought

35:15

you a cheese roll as usual, but hang on. She's

35:18

like my little, little, little butler monkey. Did

35:20

you just say butler monkey? Monkey

35:23

butt, no, you prefer that? So

35:26

as of right now, this very moment,

35:29

we have 24 hours left

35:31

to solve this crime. All right, so

35:33

we're going to Morgan Freeman's house. We

35:36

think he might have a romantic

35:38

interest in Christina, which is why he got

35:41

involved in this in the first place. And

35:44

then he got embarrassed. So he's like, we

35:46

think he arrived probably around, I think, for

35:48

Christina said roughly three months before it happened.

35:51

Right, in the neighbourhood. And

35:54

he's obviously someone that Granny loves and trusts and will

35:56

protect a secret. Because it's her brother. So she would

35:58

have met him, but not known very well. Perhaps he

36:00

was like, I actually have a romantic interest in her,

36:02

how can I like get in there? And

36:04

this was like a weigh-in because she'd heard

36:06

all about the fun that she had with

36:08

the suit. With the suit. So

36:10

it all stacks up, I think.

36:13

It does, it all conveniently stacks up.

36:16

Alright guys, we're probably about five, maybe

36:19

more like eight minutes away from Morgan's house.

36:22

And the strategy is, we put the suitcase

36:25

on the doorstep, we ring his doorbell, and

36:27

we hope for the best. Helen, there's one

36:29

thing I really need from you, we all need

36:31

from you, and we don't want you to have one of

36:33

your meltdowns. We need you

36:35

to do that really expectant face, like

36:38

we've cracked it. I don't

36:40

want you to have this face you're doing now,

36:42

like you need to practice, you're like, we need

36:44

to convince them that we are 100% certain that

36:46

we've cracked this case. I can do it, I

36:48

just need you to take it down a notch.

36:52

Please. You're making me feel really

36:54

anxious. Good. It's

36:56

better than you be, you're so relaxed, and

36:58

like, walking slowly and stuff, we need you

37:01

to be stressed and on

37:03

edge. I'm not

37:05

taking this vibe on. What

37:07

makes you feel excited

37:10

and happy and on

37:13

edge? Skiing. Skiing,

37:17

okay, so what I want you to do is

37:20

when we're standing at that door, I want you

37:22

to imagine you're at the top of a mountain

37:24

with the whitest slopes below you, not a person

37:26

in sight, it's just you and your skis. Can

37:29

you do that? You're

37:39

smiling a bit, it's working. I am, I

37:41

am, it's my happy place. Okay, and maybe

37:43

the slope's a little bit steeper than you

37:45

have ever done before? Yes. Have

37:47

you thought of doing motivational speaking, Lauren?

37:50

No, I haven't, but that's a true really good idea. You know what I mean? You

37:52

could do this. Okay, so the

37:54

slope is a bit steep, so you're

37:56

a little bit apprehensive, but you're also

37:59

in your absolute... element. At

38:05

some point soon we'll be turning left onto the

38:07

small road and we'll be looking

38:09

for a red house where Morgan

38:11

and Amna live. So

38:15

what if she answers the door? Oh

38:18

that's gonna screw us then we'll be

38:20

gurning at a... We're

38:23

also creating a situation for him and his wife

38:25

if he's been leaving strange bags on women's doorsteps.

38:28

No I don't know that's fine he should have

38:30

thought about that before he did it. Okay

38:33

we're in the woods. Wow

38:36

this is really off the beaten track. Isn't it just...

38:40

Right here's a house. Wow. Oh it's

38:42

yellow though. Oh no this is it.

38:44

This is it. Okay. It's

38:46

a red house on the right there's a bam.

38:48

Yeah this is it. You and there's pats somewhere.

38:51

Oh my god I'm really nervous. I'm actually stressing.

38:54

Oh no the windows are open guys. Yeah they're

38:56

home. But I think

38:58

they are they still in bed what time is

39:00

it? It's a Saturday and we're like... No people

39:02

don't... Sleep in. Around here I think

39:04

they get up with the sun. Oh my

39:06

god where's the suitcase? In the boot. Are

39:10

we ready? I surely would have curtain-twitched

39:13

by now. All

39:15

right Helen. Yeah. You ready? Yeah. Ready

39:17

as I'll ever be. Confidence.

39:24

Ski field. Shh

39:32

shh shh. Hello.

39:40

Hello.

39:45

Are you Anna? Yeah. Is

39:47

Morgan here? He's

39:51

maybe sleeping. Oh no sorry. We've

39:53

got to return something to him.

40:00

Okay. We're

40:04

getting him out of bed guys. He's a slave.

40:06

That's what I thought because the curtains were closed.

40:09

We're getting out of bed and what if it's

40:11

time? I'm having heart palpitations. I'm about to have

40:13

a heart attack. I think. I'm

40:15

on edge. We're actually getting him out of

40:17

bed on a Saturday. He's getting out of bed. My

40:24

little butler monkey. Do

40:27

you like that? You like being called a butler monkey? Yeah I do

40:30

I feel good about this approach though. It's so

40:32

good. We don't have to ask any questions. Are

40:34

you going to say like Vanya asked us to return the case? I'm

40:39

not going to say anything. I'm not. That's the thing.

40:41

We're not going to say a word for

40:44

about five minutes. Awkward silence. And

40:47

then he'll start saying something in Swedish. Here

40:49

he comes. Here he comes. I can hear something. Hello,

40:56

hello. Hello. Can I help you ladies?

41:00

Here it is. I

41:02

don't know what it

41:04

is. It's your suitcase. No. We're

41:07

returning it to you. No thank you. Well

41:12

I know what's going on. Oh.

41:14

Do you? My sister Vanya.

41:16

Yes. Yes. At least Dina. Yes. Yeah.

41:20

I heard about the story. Oh okay. Yeah.

41:22

Vanya was telling that you were coming here

41:25

for the mid-summery or something. Yeah. And then

41:27

she told

41:30

the background of the story. Before that I never heard about

41:32

it. When was the last time you

41:34

phoned Vanya? When did you last speak to Vanya

41:36

on the phone? On the phone. Well

41:41

have a look at your phone records

41:43

shall we? What's

41:48

a tourstag? What's tourstag? Thursday.

41:50

Thursday. Correct. That

41:53

was the last call. What time was that? A

41:59

quarter past seven. in the evening.

42:01

Okay. 15

42:03

minutes call. 15 minutes?

42:07

What did you speak about? What did

42:09

we have our midsomer about? She

42:12

told us about that you were there. Yes.

42:14

Oh, she's calling you. Put her on speaker

42:17

phone. Put her on speaker phone. Hello

42:25

there. Hello

42:27

Vanya. Hello.

42:30

Hi. We're at your brother's house. Yeah,

42:33

I understood that. Yes. Does

42:37

he want to talk to you? No, no, no, he does. He's being really nice. We

42:40

took him, his suitcase back for him. And we put it

42:42

on his veranda like he did to Christina

42:46

all those years ago. And we found out that

42:48

you had a nice chat with your brother on

42:51

Thursday around 7 o'clock. Yeah. For

42:54

15 minutes. Do

42:57

you remember what you talked about with your brother on Thursday at

42:59

about 7 o'clock? I

43:02

think we were talking about what

43:07

were you talking about for young? We were

43:10

talking about what they have been doing

43:12

the last time and the sun

43:15

were coming in for a week again. Just

43:18

a normal weekly talk we also had. Oh,

43:20

that's not what he said. That's

43:24

not what Morgan said. He actually said that you

43:26

spoke about something different. Did

43:30

he say something different? Yeah, he did Vanya. Yeah,

43:32

he did. He did. We've got you. Is

43:34

there anything else you want to tell us? Or

43:37

is it not an honest day? Are you back

43:39

to lying? No, no, no,

43:41

no. I'm still honest. I

43:44

am. Okay. It's

43:46

still the same story for me. So

43:50

you have to find the rest and

43:52

I think you have some problems. I

43:54

understand that you have some problems. Why

43:58

does people keep telling us we have problems? We

44:00

keep hearing that we've got

44:03

problems. No, you

44:05

and Cebuia problems. Okay, fine. Thank

44:09

you, Wogan. Hey,

44:11

Dor. Hey, Dor. Yes, yes, yes,

44:13

yes. We're going to take this

44:15

away, and we think the nicest way of

44:17

finishing this podcast is to donate this suitcase

44:20

back to charity. So we're going to Gothenburg,

44:22

and we're going to give it back to

44:24

charity. So, yeah, that would be really nice,

44:26

I think, just to give it another life,

44:29

you know. The other thing we were thinking

44:31

of, actually, because we haven't actually decided, Karen,

44:33

is that we're potentially going to do, like,

44:35

a ceremonial burning of the suitcase in two

44:37

weeks. Oh, okay. So we're going to put

44:39

gasoline all over it, and we're going to

44:42

light it up and explode it into the

44:44

night. So if you see smoke coming from

44:46

a black leg, then you'll know

44:48

that's there. So anything... You have to look

44:50

at the map if it's allowed to have

44:53

open fire outside. Don't worry about that, it's

44:55

fine. The

44:57

one that's the least of our worries. The one that

44:59

will read police will make an investigation of firing. We're

45:01

not scared of the police. No, I know. We are

45:03

the police. I know. So, okay. So, shall we just

45:06

take that away and burn it, then? Yes. Or give

45:08

it to charity and... All right, Morgan,

45:10

we'll do that. So,

45:23

shall I just not message around here, then? I

45:25

think you should. I think

45:28

you should say to her, do you think we should give up? She'll

45:31

feel bad. Honestly, do you think we should give up? It's

45:34

all getting a bit much. No, don't say that. Honestly,

45:37

do you think we should give up? We're feeling

45:39

pretty hopeless. I just wonder if we just need

45:42

to lie down in a darkened room for five

45:44

minutes. No way. We don't have time for that.

45:47

Shall I see how long... Vanya's read the message. Okay,

45:49

wait. Pull over.

45:55

Vanya's thinking, I think. Laura,

45:58

the only hope we've got is... that Vanya's

46:01

gonna take pity on us. That's where we're

46:03

at. How depressing is that? How pathetic is

46:05

that? We've

46:09

got literally begging on our knees,

46:12

like on the last final hour. No

46:14

one in the police does it. No,

46:17

in the police bicks. We have

46:19

lost our dignity today. We've

46:21

lost our fucking dignity. Okay, let's look at

46:24

Vanya's Facebook. Morgan,

46:26

I mean, am I adding Morgan? Oh, I've already

46:28

added him. I'll message him. Do

46:30

you want your suitcase back? We're donating

46:32

it tomorrow. Oh, Vanya!

46:36

What? She said, no, no, don't

46:38

give up. You will make it. Go

46:41

on, you will make it. Love her. Karen,

46:47

what does that mean? Karen,

46:53

it's someone that we're close to. It's someone

46:55

we're close, is what she's saying. So

46:58

I don't think it's someone we haven't spoken to yet or

47:00

thought about. Okay, what about, let's think,

47:02

let's think. No idea is

47:04

a bad idea. Did

47:07

she say that? No. I'm

47:10

saying it. Oh. So

47:12

we know that it's... What? I

47:15

think we've got a lead. What? She

47:17

just said, read your list of persons

47:19

again. Read your

47:21

list of persons again. Read

47:24

your list of persons again. Read

47:26

your list of persons again. Read

47:31

your list of people again. What does that mean? What does that

47:33

mean? What does that mean?

47:35

Read your list of people again. What

47:37

list does Vanya want? We must have

47:39

spoken to the mastermind. What

47:42

list does Vanya want? Coming

47:47

up next. I

47:49

have something to tell you. Okay, guys,

47:51

I honestly do not know who to trust.

47:54

Is that person angry with me? I

47:56

think that there's something going on. Does that person

47:58

want me to feel bad? Oh God,

48:00

this is a lot of pressure. I

48:03

promise to never tell who this person

48:05

is. Does that person care for

48:07

me? That simple, small act

48:10

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