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Hey everybody and

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welcome to a

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quintessential wild ride with

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Steveo. Now if you

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have five children at

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once that's quintuplets, right?

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Five. If you've got five

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people getting down in your

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bed. meaning you and four

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chicks that's a fivesome and

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man is Brett Michael's just

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cool about talking five sums

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on rock of love i

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mean dude this guy doesn't even

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do podcasts like ever no

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idea how we got him he

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was just super stoked he's a

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bro and man he talks about

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his his health condition

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how he's not a victim about

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it he talks about not having

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so much money like we

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filmed this outside the hanger

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where he keeps his private

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jet like the guy's on

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fire and what a rad

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dude it's like having a

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unicorn on the podcast so

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really enjoy this one and

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let's get into it okay

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so here we go ladies

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and gentlemen people of

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the universe I bring to

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you an American hero

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a treasure That's just, I

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mean, what do you say, it's

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Brett Michaels. My brother, it is

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an honor to be here. I'm

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bringing to America on here, a

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treasure. You are a treasure,

1:29

my friend. To prepare to

1:31

speak with you on a podcast,

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you know, you kind of think

1:35

like, oh, let's see, like, let's

1:38

look them up and sit there

1:40

and see if we can find

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them on a podcast. You've

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been on like one podcast before?

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Yeah, one. I think it was

1:49

me and Rick Harrison from Bond

1:51

Stars. No, I'm not making this

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up. The amount of stuff we

1:55

do when we're out on the

1:57

road, you know, we'll go into a city.

2:00

And I always, I love doing

2:02

podcasts, I love doing stuff, but

2:04

I just, by the time you

2:06

get into the city and you're

2:08

doing something, you end up doing

2:10

radio, they end up doing the

2:12

show, you end up doing a

2:14

bunch of stuff. But to sit

2:16

down, this, this may be, this

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may be the ultimate right here.

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Well, I mean, I'm, there's just,

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it's a real. rarity for you

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to do a thing like this

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and I'm just wondering how did

2:28

I get so lucky you know

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like what I would like It's

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like I asked Mark Cuban, how

2:34

did we get you? Right, so

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here, here, that's a good question

2:38

for Mark Cuban, you know what

2:40

I mean? Honest to God, this

2:42

is the truth. I, when I

2:44

said, I'm excited to be here,

2:46

I'm excited to be hanging with

2:48

you. You know, the fact that

2:50

you're rolling up here in the

2:52

RV, this is how I lived

2:54

my life. Like, when you pulled

2:56

up, I got to tell people

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this, the reality as the reality

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as we pulled up, we're hooking

3:03

this thing, we're hooking this thing,

3:05

I gotta say this, the invention

3:07

you made to keep this coal

3:09

in here and the noise down,

3:11

the amount of things that we

3:13

do out there rocking the world,

3:15

but the amount of moving parts

3:17

that go into it, and it's

3:19

just who you are, what you're

3:21

about, what you stand for, the

3:23

fact, when your sincerity, the craziness,

3:25

the reality, all that stuff is

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everything that is rock and roll.

3:29

It is everything that's raw, rock

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and roll. Well, right on, brother,

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I did. It's an honor, I

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appreciate the kind of words, and

3:37

man, texting with you, I'm just

3:39

thinking like, this guy can't actually

3:41

be this nice, like this. First

3:43

of all, thank you. And, but

3:45

I got, and I said, we

3:47

were laughing, I go, I'm warning

3:49

you now, I have lead singer

3:51

long text. I don't know how

3:53

to do sound bites. Like, I'm

3:55

not like, yeah, yeah, cool. or

3:57

I all of a sudden I

3:59

realize I look down and I

4:02

go it just hit me as

4:04

I'm texting you. I have lead

4:06

singer long text. He sees her

4:08

like three pages. And great, great

4:10

grammar, like spelling, no like, like,

4:12

the letter you for the word

4:14

you. Yeah, no, I went old

4:16

school. Yeah, I spelled it all

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out. No, no emojies. No emojies.

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It's, it's remarkable. So we have,

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um, a dear friend in common,

4:24

um, Shawna Zablow. Love Sean. You

4:26

guys got very tight and I

4:28

don't want to alienate the

4:30

listener, the viewer, like Sean

4:32

is Ablow. I call her jackass

4:34

mom. She's like a, and she

4:37

hates the color, but she's just

4:39

like a protector of us jackass

4:41

guys and going all the way

4:43

back to 2003. She's been, like

4:45

started out as the assistant

4:47

to the jackass director, Jeff

4:50

Tremaine, and just went up the

4:52

ranks and is now like his.

4:54

business partner I suppose like

4:57

just his right hand like

4:59

producer extraordinary and you

5:01

guys work together with

5:03

Jeff Tremaine directing right nothing

5:06

but a good time right

5:08

absolutely Jeff first of all

5:10

Shanna is we just like now I'm a

5:12

loyal guy I'm I'm friends for

5:14

life nothing I can't even remember

5:17

any friendships along the way even

5:19

through thick thin that Haven't stuck

5:21

and remained and one of the

5:24

best people we went in to do

5:26

nothing but a good time and we're talking

5:28

about some of the craziest moments of my

5:30

life and and I said We went in

5:33

there and we just started talking about life

5:35

and all of a sudden the camera

5:37

is just rolling we were just doing like

5:39

this we were whipping and telling stories

5:41

and Jeff's like this is the best ever

5:43

like it wasn't there was no pulling

5:45

teeth or I truly I will tell you

5:48

one thing through through my good bad

5:50

and ugly I'm one of those people

5:52

that always forever grateful and I'm passionate

5:54

and I live in the moment like

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like being here. I'm living in I

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was excited when you were pulling up.

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I'm like, get in here, we'll hook

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you up here, we'll show so excited.

6:05

And to declare nothing but a good

6:07

time, this is like a documentary adaptation

6:09

of a book about 80s hair metal.

6:12

Correct. And it came out on Paramount

6:14

Plus. It was directed by Jeff Tremaine.

6:16

And it was just like the, you

6:18

know. a documentary about just the debauchery

6:20

of the 80s metal scene and and

6:23

hair metal to be clear it was

6:25

about hair metal yeah and like you

6:27

were just crucial to it in that

6:29

they interviewed me for it And I

6:31

saw it. I had lots of questions,

6:34

but I'm looking at you. Right. So

6:36

I said a thing in there. I

6:38

think that like my, like the, Look

6:40

What the Cat dragged in, the Poisson

6:42

album. I seem to recall that I

6:45

shoplifted it. And I remember being conflicted

6:47

about listening to it. I said this

6:49

in the documentary. I said, man, I

6:51

had, like, I was conflicted about it

6:54

because to look at the cover, like,

6:56

those dudes looked so hot. And then

6:58

it was like conflict. I don't remember,

7:00

but I was like, I was like,

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why didn't I say, like, you actually

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looked like hot chicks on the cover?

7:07

the cover that you looked like hot

7:09

chicks and it was like you know

7:11

it's a little tough right it was

7:13

so here's the thing before we get

7:16

to the cover what the the going

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in you got remember we grew up

7:20

I grew up in a small small

7:22

town Pennsylvania my dad's a veteran my

7:24

mom worked at a correctional institute right

7:27

wow two sisters and you know it

7:29

was a when you go up in

7:31

a small town you know my thing

7:33

you're talking about shoplifting I said I

7:36

borrowed I went in and could not

7:38

afford to kiss record, right? So, you

7:40

know, I'm like your older less attractive

7:42

brother, right? We did the same things.

7:44

I'm just the older version of... of

7:47

getting there right before you did it.

7:49

And I went in there and I'm

7:51

not kidding you, I had a leather

7:53

jacket, I slipped the kiss record inside

7:55

and it formed a square and I

7:58

was smart enough to know this is

8:00

not going to fly going out of

8:02

the store. Not as much technology then,

8:04

no camera, you know what I mean.

8:06

And I got away with it and

8:09

went home and I was like, this

8:11

was great, took the shrink wrap off

8:13

it, you know, listened to it, but

8:15

one thing for us that I knew.

8:18

One of the if I was to

8:20

say what is one of the things

8:22

that I bring to the table is

8:24

I'm one of those guys that I

8:26

I'm a realist Right this is a

8:29

weird word, but I'm a dreamer and

8:31

a realist so You have to have

8:33

the dream without the dream you don't

8:35

know even what you're there's no target.

8:37

Yeah, you can't oppose I if you're

8:40

not aiming for a target. Thank you

8:42

and the and for me to be

8:44

able to go in there and dream

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it but then where a lot of

8:48

my friends dream it but then where

8:51

a lot of my friends missed is

8:53

the reality of what you have to

8:55

do to make that happen, right? And

8:57

I realize we played every bar, every

9:00

single bar on the East Coast. I'm

9:02

talking moving the pull table out of

9:04

the way. Like I would be lifting

9:06

this with you, you know, so the

9:08

drums could fit in and you're playing

9:11

and there's like three people watching you

9:13

and the one guy's like, you guys

9:15

suck or play that song, can you

9:17

play this song? You're like a jute

9:19

box, right, right? And you play three

9:22

sets, maybe five, right? And I said,

9:24

guys, if we're going to do this,

9:26

we need to go out there, we

9:28

need to shock the world and get

9:31

them to come back and listen to

9:33

the music. And that's what the first

9:35

record, first album cover was. I mean,

9:37

glam rock, hair metal, whatever you wanted

9:39

to call it, was... We were sort

9:42

of at the very beginning of it

9:44

there, Motley, you know, and everything that

9:46

was happening, we all kind of, you

9:48

know, the GNR, everything that was happening.

9:50

GNR came later, for sure. About a

9:53

year late, about a year after two

9:55

years. GNR was like 87 or 88.

9:57

We were like 84 is 85, and

9:59

then the record hit, and this is

10:01

no lie. We were the first independent

10:04

record to break three million copies. So

10:06

most independent records, no one wanted our

10:08

songs. We played, see, but we played

10:10

everywhere. Every band and the whole

10:12

strips get in sign. Everybody, nothing.

10:14

I didn't give up. What happens

10:16

with me when I get kicked

10:18

in the face. I don't get mad

10:21

or give up. It makes me more

10:23

pissed off. Sure. You know what I

10:25

mean? Sure. Inside there's this thing that

10:27

boils and is driven. And I'm like,

10:29

all right, now you just piss me

10:31

off. Now it's going to, now we're

10:33

going to come back harder, right? Right.

10:35

And we went in there and we

10:37

went to every place in, poison made

10:39

it a party. And what people started

10:41

to love, just like now with the

10:43

party grom doing. they come to the

10:45

festival and you have to have good

10:47

songs. If you don't have in every

10:49

rose or like the documentary, nothing but

10:51

a good time, talk dirty to me,

10:54

all these songs. Sure. You still gotta

10:56

have the song, you still gotta have

10:58

the goods, right? And we went in

11:00

there and this was our, you

11:02

know, you're reading all these magazines

11:04

about kiss in a, you know,

11:06

Lear Jet, you know, and they're

11:08

signing Dana, Dana, you know, and

11:10

they're signing Dana, Dana, Dana, on the

11:13

floor, shrink wrapping our own cassettes and

11:15

albums. So if you have Cat Dragged

11:17

in as an album or cassette, I may

11:19

have been the one that shrink wrapped

11:21

that. I'm not making that

11:23

shit up. Like that is

11:25

the, like I literally set

11:27

there and we had to

11:29

put one by ones in

11:31

them. You know, so the

11:33

stores could advertise. We'd be,

11:35

and I'm thinking, this is

11:37

nothing like operator magazine that

11:39

I read. There's no limo.

11:41

Remember in Fast Times or

11:43

Ridgemont High? Sure. There's no

11:46

birthday party in here for

11:48

me. Right. Thanks to Colley.

11:50

That was me. I was in

11:52

there, but our work ethic. And

11:54

I'm good at... Not giving up and

11:56

finding that thing that gets us from point

11:58

A to point B. That's it and partying

12:01

a lot. I'd like to enjoy a

12:03

good party Okay, and host I'd like

12:05

to host a good party. Okay, you

12:07

know what mean? I like to treat

12:09

people good You know what I mean?

12:11

You're hanging out with with D. Snyder,

12:13

right? Like I do tour with them

12:16

or yeah, so the party girl What

12:18

happened was is all my friends ever

12:20

you name it? We've been on the

12:22

road with everybody and D. Snyder is

12:24

a friend dude. I love him. I

12:26

love that guy his energy like yours

12:29

Like ours and this in here in

12:31

your awesome RV is it is a

12:33

great energy So he I do about

12:35

three or four songs all a sudden

12:37

I get the crowd D D And

12:39

I'm saying are you ready for this

12:41

because I'm ready for this and my

12:44

solo band the Brett Michael's band I

12:46

land on the ground Pyro goes up

12:48

D comes right out. We're not gonna

12:50

take it I want to rock highway

12:52

to hell then he brings me back

12:54

out I do nothing, but a good

12:56

time then we bring Lou Graham from

12:59

Fornner or we bring you name it

13:01

every everybody Everybody

13:03

has come out and rocked on

13:05

the party girl and had a

13:07

good time. Yeah, man I can't

13:09

can't say enough good things about

13:11

D. Snyder. You are you said

13:13

that? the look at the cat

13:16

dragged in independent Album

13:18

no label. No our own label.

13:20

It was cyanide music, right? Then

13:22

it was just sweet cyanide music

13:24

ourselves We put up the money

13:26

to make the record with a

13:29

company called enigma records two brothers

13:31

They had a they had a

13:33

distribution warehouse that you could print

13:35

the albums Ship the stuff right

13:37

and every other band on the

13:39

strips getting signed everybody, right? And

13:42

they're bypassing us and we have

13:44

all these good songs. We have

13:46

them literally we Every venue we

13:48

played was sold out. So the

13:50

live show was this audio Visual

13:53

experience right and everybody that came

13:55

to that. I gotta say this.

13:57

I'm a fan of music, right?

13:59

So the energy that's here, when

14:02

I get on that stage, it just,

14:04

it's the same energy, it just

14:06

explodes. Like I get out there and

14:08

the first, like last night we

14:10

were playing this huge amphitheater just before

14:12

I saw you today. And

14:14

we run out on that stage

14:16

as big thrust goes out and I'm

14:18

on my knees like slapping hands

14:21

and there's three or four

14:23

generations of fans just having the time

14:25

of their life but they know all of a sudden I'm like, all right

14:27

everybody, hands in the air and

14:29

all the hands, we all start clapping. I

14:31

said, we're gonna hit the first verse

14:33

and everyone, it's like a family tradition. Everyone

14:35

goes right into talk dirty to me.

14:37

I said, this is a song that started

14:39

it all off for us and boom,

14:41

and we just an hour and

14:43

a half hour, whatever it is,

14:46

of just hit after hit. Yeah,

14:49

and do you

14:51

tour relentlessly? I

14:53

do, I do, and I love it.

14:55

And it's as a diabetic, I'm

14:57

not gonna lie, I

15:00

try to always have the mentality

15:02

of victory over ever being a victim.

15:04

I'm one of these guys, I'm

15:06

grateful, I'm grateful for this sitting here

15:08

hanging out with you, all your

15:10

friends and family, but it's one of

15:12

those things where I never

15:14

let diabetes get me down, my dad and mom sat

15:17

me down and said, this is a card you're

15:19

dealt, you can go two ways, you can

15:21

bitch about it for the rest of your life, or

15:23

you can suck it up if find

15:25

a way, you're just gonna have to work

15:27

harder at it, and I take that

15:29

attitude on stage as a fan of music.

15:31

I'm looking out, thinking you're

15:34

excited, they're having a great time, I'm

15:36

excited, and that energy just turns

15:38

into a, it's a complete party, in

15:40

fact. I know you're

15:43

all over the place playing,

15:45

rocking, doing stuff, you

15:47

have to come to one of the shows

15:49

and come up, not only sing, but

15:52

literally, we have a congo, we have this big

15:54

congo thing, come on and do a congo thing with

15:56

me the middle of nothing but a good time,

15:58

we break it down and it. The

16:00

crowds go in nuts and

16:02

out on that thrust, you're

16:04

surrounded. Like it's just a, it's

16:06

awesome, but that, you can, it's hard

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now we gotta check each other's

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tour schedules and I live in Tennessee Gotcha.

17:47

So if I'm not on tour and you're

17:50

doing a show in Tennessee, then boom. You

17:52

know. If you're not, we're just going to

17:54

find it. We'll come pick you up. We're

17:56

going to get you. Oh, we're going to

17:58

dry or the RVs. We are V

18:00

our way, all right? We are V

18:03

our way, but if you want to

18:05

do something like boardwalk rock, it's going

18:07

to be, it's sold out in a

18:09

couple days, it's 60,000. and it is

18:11

us shine down nickel back deaf leopard

18:13

yeah you were telling me about that

18:16

on text it's going it's ocean city

18:18

Maryland not I've driven that just so

18:20

you know Tennessee ish I won't say

18:22

exactly where you're at but I'm saying

18:24

Tennessee ish that drive up you shoot

18:26

across 40 you come up 81 yeah

18:28

and we hit ocean city Maryland and

18:31

and we will kill it or any

18:33

of the arenas this summer. That nickel

18:35

back documentary on Netflix. Which is supposed

18:37

to be amazing. I haven't seen it.

18:39

It's great. I love it. Absolutely fantastic.

18:41

It's like how they could be so

18:44

vilified. I didn't get it. So they're

18:46

my buddies, right? And you know, I'm

18:48

one of these guys, you've got to

18:50

know this about me. Nothing takes me

18:52

off course. You know, people, this is

18:54

what's hip. This is what isn't hip.

18:57

This is what, you know, this is

18:59

one thing that if I ever say

19:01

one thing, I gotta stand up for

19:03

my solo band, myself, Poison. We've just

19:05

stuck to who we are. So this

19:07

is hip right now to play or

19:10

this isn't. I know what I like

19:12

and that's what I play. In other

19:14

words, I think Nickelback writes some of

19:16

the greatest songs in the world. There's

19:18

every songs a hit and I'm like,

19:20

you guys are great writers and I

19:22

know a couple times they were bummed.

19:25

You know, a little bit of pushback.

19:27

I said, what's your pushback? You're selling

19:29

out two nights at the arena. I

19:31

was funny. I go, look around you.

19:33

This is this is awesome. Right. You

19:35

know, I mean, of course there's going

19:38

to be there has to be assholes

19:40

in order to fire you up. Right.

19:42

I don't mean it like that, but

19:44

you got to have critics. If everyone

19:46

loves you, then no one loves you.

19:48

Sure. I mean, like until you have

19:51

haters, you haven't made it. Yeah, thank

19:53

you. Right. And trust me, then I

19:55

know I made it because we had

19:57

some haters. I've got some old school

19:59

snail mail to prove it. Look. But

20:01

then on the other hand, you know,

20:03

you know, Nickleback, they're doing

20:06

just fine. They're great.

20:08

But how about, uh, warrant?

20:10

It was warrant, right? They

20:12

had, uh, on, like, Beavis

20:15

and Bud had, he had,

20:17

uh, winger. Winger. Winger, or

20:19

not, yeah, it was, poor

20:21

kip. Dude can play, talented.

20:23

And if you become the

20:25

butt into, right, and I

20:27

think what happened... For a lot of

20:30

bands you if you let it get to

20:32

you and you become in biddered Right, let

20:34

me say something I this is the first

20:36

time I've ever said about that about the

20:38

business about it No, no, no, let me

20:41

I'm gonna go I'm gonna take it up

20:43

My dad said I have a little extra

20:45

energy, but I don't take any medication for

20:47

it great. So it's gonna fly out right

20:49

love it. I've never said this before I'm

20:52

gonna get I got to get this off

20:54

my chest off my chest, right? right? You

20:56

grow up, I love sports, so I'm

20:58

like a rock and jock, right? I

21:00

love sports, I love doing stuff, but

21:02

I love music. I'm like that perfect,

21:05

right in the middle there, it hits,

21:07

you know, and it gets me fired

21:09

up, it keeps my diabetes, it keeps

21:11

my blood sugar in good control,

21:14

right? But here's what's funny. You

21:16

grow up and you play, I got into

21:18

music to break outside the box. You

21:20

know, because for me, it was, I was

21:22

working at, you know, this is where you're

21:24

going to work, you're going to be on

21:26

the loading dock here, and trust me, I've

21:28

worked a lot of jobs, loaded preena dog

21:30

food, probably underage, you know, they didn't have

21:32

child labor laws in my day, right? There

21:34

was, you just worked. And you were proud

21:36

to do it, right? I worked as a

21:38

maintenance guy at the Villalillo Resort. I can

21:40

fix shit, you know what I mean? I

21:42

can work with you on the RV if

21:44

we need to invent something, you know. You

21:46

do too. Yeah, I watched out there. You're

21:48

a genius with everything going on. You

21:50

know, I'm true and friends. I'm so

21:53

proud of the fact that people are

21:55

complaining that these camera mounts would swing.

21:57

They're like, the camera is swinging as

21:59

we drove. down here I was drilling

22:01

these that that blued thing over there

22:03

the door some over there it's amazing

22:06

now no more no more swaying cameras

22:08

I just gotta shake your hand that's

22:10

the shit right there that makes you

22:12

for real and I'm a guy like

22:15

you when I see it I have

22:17

to do it I can't you know

22:19

so going back to this that you

22:21

live this life and they want you

22:24

to live outside the box right right

22:26

then when you make it Right? You

22:28

say you finally have that moment and

22:30

it's hard work and luck. They all

22:33

come together at some weird moment in

22:35

time, right? Luck is the, is when

22:37

preparation meets opportunity. Correct. That's exactly right.

22:39

And I'm going to copy that if

22:42

you don't mind. Right. The harder I

22:44

work, the luck is your idea. Yeah.

22:46

But the funniest thing is for me

22:48

is they want you to live outside

22:51

this box, right? And then God forbid

22:53

you. break at something right so go

22:55

with me it I just refused to

22:58

stay stuck in that box and that's

23:00

where myself and my career hit so

23:02

what happened is all of a sudden

23:04

they have you in this box and

23:07

if you're going to be 80s and

23:09

and I love it I love air

23:11

metal more than anybody right I'm honored

23:13

I and my point is but you

23:16

weren't allowed to do anything else so

23:18

all of a sudden I tried to

23:20

step, you know, I have Americana songs

23:22

I wrote in a vein of Tom

23:25

Petty or country now, right? Kenny Chesney,

23:27

you know, Jimmy Buffin and me have

23:29

done more shows together than anyone, and

23:31

that's, I just refused to be stuck.

23:34

Not because I was fighting to get

23:36

out of it, but because I said,

23:38

I'm going to do, I got into

23:40

this to live it my way, right?

23:43

Sure. So all of a sudden I'm

23:45

out on these big country rock festivals,

23:47

country festivals, Jimmy Buffett... Then all of

23:49

a sudden, on an alt-fest in Louisville,

23:52

you know, and we're rocking the world,

23:54

right? And we're doing an alt-fest, but

23:56

most of them are big rock festivals,

23:58

right? But I just like and again

24:01

we'll get into all this, but like

24:03

all the TV shows You know I

24:05

win celebrity apprentice because I went in

24:07

there as a diabetic and they said

24:10

how much money do you want to

24:12

get Donate after you win and I

24:14

said every penny of it. I I

24:16

would be I am superstitious It would

24:19

have been a curse for me to

24:21

pocket sure you know I won this

24:23

money and it's supposed to be for

24:26

this charity and then you're I couldn't

24:28

do it right so I do a

24:30

ton for diabetes veterans, pets, you know,

24:32

and in doing all this stuff, that's

24:35

part of every city we play in,

24:37

we find a charity, right? Yep. And

24:39

the one thing I've learned is that

24:41

giving back, I can't explain how much

24:44

great karma, I don't ask for it,

24:46

but that great karma comes back. Sure.

24:48

And you make a lot of friends

24:50

and fans and family along the way.

24:53

And in saying all that, Just I

24:55

tell people Don't especially my daughters. I'm

24:57

like live the life you want to

24:59

live have that target be a jorilla

25:02

stream big But work your ass off

25:04

for that reality and making it happen

25:06

and wherever it falls it falls I

25:08

didn't get the plate. And that's what

25:11

you wanted to get off your chest?

25:13

Yeah, no, what a lot. Notice I

25:15

suck at sound bites. You're like, where's

25:17

he going with this? So what I

25:20

want to get off my chest is

25:22

that the very people, this was what

25:24

I meant, the very people, that... that

25:26

are supposed to be the ones that

25:29

swear they're the ones that help you

25:31

break out and live outside the box

25:33

are sometimes the very people that put

25:35

you right back in it right as

25:38

soon as you step out of it

25:40

they don't know what to do with

25:42

you right they don't you know all

25:44

of a sudden you're doing a reality

25:47

show they're like you can't do that

25:49

no one's gonna watch you do a

25:51

dating show or rock my RV they're

25:54

like no one wants to see you

25:56

work on an arby work on an

25:58

arby and they become hits You just

26:00

keep doing you. That's all you ever

26:03

have to do. That's the right way

26:05

to put it. You really set it

26:07

up nice. I mean, like, if we're

26:09

to look at, you know, the 80s

26:11

was just so crazy. So crazy. Into

26:13

the 90s. Don't, you know what I

26:16

mean? It slid right into that mid

26:18

early 90s and even through, like, for

26:20

Poison, even through Nirvana and all

26:23

that, I thought, Nirvana and all

26:25

these bands were great. I brought

26:27

Allison. I love you guys, man,

26:30

you got to come up and

26:32

then it came to my house.

26:34

Jerry still owes me for a

26:37

go-kartie wrecked. Just right into a

26:39

rock in my house. We had

26:41

a go-kart track? Nice. I go,

26:44

you're going way too. He became

26:46

you for a minute. He became,

26:48

he became crazy, crazy. Right.

26:50

Grunge becoming the thing in the

26:52

80s. It was like oh, you know,

26:54

like this is a Super downer of

26:57

a time because like the ride kind

26:59

of mellowed out and everything was like

27:01

oh, what are we going to do

27:03

now like oh, not you know And then

27:05

so the the late 90s is probably like

27:08

a pretty rough ride to have been

27:10

like oh man. We were there and

27:12

then we're here and then we're here

27:14

and and and then the and then

27:17

the you do the reality show in

27:19

like the early 2000 And all

27:21

of a sudden, because

27:23

of the, is it fair

27:25

to say that because

27:27

of the reality show,

27:29

the rock of love, that

27:32

as a solo artist,

27:34

you know, with your solo

27:36

band, that the Brett

27:39

Michael's band went on

27:41

to eclipse the

27:43

success of Poison? So

27:46

no doubt, reality TV.

27:48

And I'll make you laugh and say,

27:51

there is no doubt, rock of love,

27:53

with the girls, first of all,

27:55

were rock stars. The girls were

27:57

crazy, they, and that show was as

27:59

real. it gets that was alcohol-induced insanity

28:01

and it was it was dating

28:03

and I said I don't know

28:05

what I walked in my first

28:07

day I said I don't know

28:09

if we're gonna find love but

28:11

we're gonna find something on this

28:13

show right it's gonna be good

28:15

okay I got I got a

28:17

real I got a real bombshell

28:19

for you go ahead of place

28:21

okay I forget what it was

28:23

I forget what year I don't

28:26

want to say maybe it was

28:28

like 2010 2011 right right right

28:30

forget what the idea was, but

28:32

I'm going in there to this

28:34

production company which famously produced Rock

28:36

of Love, called 51 Minds. I'm

28:38

very aware. Was it Chris Obrago

28:40

and all of them? Yeah. I

28:42

love them. Okay, so I go

28:44

in there and... Good dude, by

28:46

the way, good dude. Oh yeah,

28:48

big time. And I'm blushing for

28:50

what I'm about to say. But

28:52

like, I'm... I go in there.

28:54

And you know, wherever we're talking

28:56

about it, and I was like,

28:58

I've got this idea and I

29:00

want to like pitch it to

29:02

you guys. And like, I was,

29:04

I said, like, I just so

29:06

trust you guys as a production

29:08

company because I just could not

29:10

have been more glued to Rock

29:12

of Love. And it was, it

29:14

was this guy Chris. He says,

29:16

oh, you're glued to Rock of

29:18

Love, huh? He says, let me

29:20

tell you that that show did

29:22

no justice whatsoever. to how crazy

29:24

it really was like I know

29:26

they had to cut it down

29:28

when I say like they need

29:30

to release like the unrated maybe

29:32

we shouldn't or you know what

29:34

you don't or you can it

29:36

will be great but it'll it

29:38

you you just made a laugh

29:40

I got I go Chris one

29:42

time said to me goes we've

29:44

done some crazy shows before and

29:46

some crazy, he goes, what's happening?

29:48

What's that going on? What's that

29:50

going on? He said, he said,

29:52

you have no idea. He goes,

29:54

I don't know if it was

29:56

the first season. I don't know

29:58

if there was, but he goes,

30:00

because we go into tape. rock

30:02

of love with Brett. We haven't

30:04

even turned on the cameras. We

30:06

have not even turned on a

30:08

camera yet. That everyone, they're all

30:10

in the house. We're gonna start

30:12

filming like the next day. And

30:14

I don't want to be like

30:16

disrespectful to your family or anything.

30:18

Understood. Many years ago. Many years

30:20

ago. Yeah. He goes, we haven't

30:22

even started filming it. He's like,

30:24

he's like, the insanity. I'm not

30:26

sure. I'm not sure the one

30:28

kind of stumbled out halfway through.

30:30

Four and a half. It's like

30:32

the debauchery, the insanity, like we

30:34

just couldn't show it. He's like,

30:36

it was just, you couldn't show

30:38

it. Now I'm actually be red

30:40

in my face. I'm like fully

30:42

blushing. You are, but it's good.

30:44

Unreal. What was going on with

30:46

that? We had some fun and

30:48

I'm going to say this because...

30:50

I'm going, when Chris and him

30:52

came in, here's how this worked,

30:54

don't laugh, you know what they

30:56

called me, so they tell me

30:58

about this idea, right? So I

31:00

go, you know, they come out

31:02

on the road and they saw,

31:04

I throw a really good party

31:06

backstage and as a diabetic, it's

31:08

a balance. Because I got to,

31:11

you know, I take four or

31:13

five injections a day, I got

31:15

these, you know, the thing running

31:17

in my freaking arm, you know,

31:19

I mean, all this stuff keep

31:21

me alive and ticking, but there's

31:23

a part of me that also,

31:25

I got it, I got to

31:27

live, I got to rip it

31:29

up and live, and when they

31:31

were talking to me about it,

31:33

they had this meeting, and there's

31:35

like 20 people sitting in there,

31:37

right? And I went in and

31:39

they laughed their ass is off

31:41

because what are you doing? Everyone's

31:43

on you know, they got the

31:45

computer there This we could do

31:47

this and I said two things

31:49

one my acting Sucks if you

31:51

get me to act like if

31:53

I just shoot like three scenes

31:55

of something I can't do it

31:57

like I said you've got to

31:59

it and if it if you

32:01

don't capture it then with even

32:03

if it's we look fugly in

32:05

this thing capture it because I'm

32:07

not gonna be able to you

32:09

know the third time of doing

32:11

it it looks and none of

32:13

us when they were actors the

32:15

girls again were rock stars they

32:17

made the show great and but

32:19

when I went in there they

32:21

made fun because I pulled a

32:23

piece of paper out it may

32:25

be the same pants I'm wearing

32:27

now the I literally went back

32:29

pulled a piece of paper and

32:31

they go see it Is that

32:33

a hillbilly hard drive? Like I

32:35

literally had it all written out,

32:37

we could do this, you know,

32:39

what if we do this? What

32:41

if I said, here's where I

32:43

will suck. If you put me

32:45

by a jacuzzi, you remember this

32:47

was famous another dating, they said

32:49

it to jacuzzi and it looks

32:51

like they're fake arguing. Like, you

32:53

know what I mean? There's no

32:55

engagement, it looks like they're kind

32:57

of acting. I said, I need

32:59

to race motorcycles. I need to

33:01

be crazy. I said let's play

33:03

football in the mud and it

33:05

became lingerie mud football became a

33:07

league from that show. So we

33:09

went out, we played for and

33:11

they said to win a date

33:13

you got to do all these

33:15

crazy things. I mean, we had

33:17

to catch then a greased pig

33:19

for a date. I've said this.

33:21

I've said this. you know in

33:23

the in the ether before but

33:25

there was a point long before

33:27

I went into 51 mine yeah

33:29

because I need to know more

33:31

about this story right because we

33:33

could have done this right I

33:35

think it was it came from

33:37

VH1 which was the network that

33:39

right right you know not a

33:41

51 mine's thing and years before

33:43

I went into 51 mines but

33:45

I got word that the VH1

33:47

network was interested in doing a

33:49

format of the same format of

33:51

rock of love and flavor of

33:53

love but now let's do it

33:56

with Steve O so it's like

33:58

what kind of what kind of

34:00

challenges you know if it's ever

34:02

trying to win Steve O's love

34:04

like we're gonna bump it up

34:06

and they're like this is gonna

34:08

be insane and I heard this

34:10

and genuinely I thought

34:12

there's no way I'm gonna let

34:15

a whole house full of chicks

34:17

tell the entire world how fast

34:19

I come The best thing about

34:22

a funny story like that is

34:24

when it's 100% true. And I'd

34:27

like to say that I don't

34:29

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34:31

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35:34

to it

35:39

Remember when there was a

35:41

two pump jump? Steve took

35:44

that down one level. Two

35:46

pump jump just went to

35:48

one pump jump. Good night.

35:51

He was already laid back

35:53

watching TV. Yeah, I was

35:55

just like, uh, and it was

35:57

just, I was exactly my. My

36:00

thought process, I was like, what do

36:02

they call it? Flavor of Steve, oh,

36:04

I'm done. Steve, oh, I'm done. That's

36:07

it, I'll love. Yeah, oh my God.

36:09

Okay, now, of course, you met Paul,

36:11

yeah, you met Paul before, but I

36:14

always drew a bad job of saying,

36:16

you know, Paul, dude, the, you've got

36:18

to be stoked, Paul. Yeah, because since

36:21

I moved to Tennessee and he moved

36:23

to Arizona, even though we worked together

36:25

all the time, it's always remote. Gotcha.

36:28

Here we're in the same room. It's

36:30

a good day. It's a good day,

36:32

right? Arizona rocks, yes. And Tennessee rocks?

36:34

Yeah. Oh my god, Arizona is great.

36:37

Paul is a musician in his own

36:39

right. He's super passionate about it. He

36:41

went to school. I'll let you say

36:44

he went to school. I went to

36:46

school for audio engineering and music business.

36:48

Right. And I was actually fascinated to

36:51

learn that you like owned your own.

36:53

Well, so when you're, when you're packaging

36:55

up the records and stuff, right, you

36:58

have like a, you have no label,

37:00

you have like a distribution deal or

37:02

something, like you must have something to

37:04

get these records out, no? Yeah, what

37:07

happened was is we played all these

37:09

clubs in LA, right? And they're signing,

37:11

you know, they're, they're, they're, they're signing

37:14

different bands in the family, right? And...

37:16

her father at the time had a

37:18

record label from not mistaken jet records

37:21

and he came down and and we

37:23

we had no money so we live

37:25

we live behind that back half of

37:28

a dry cleaner and this is going

37:30

to distribution in a minute we're behind

37:32

a dry cleaner and we think because

37:34

he's a big record label they're gonna

37:37

want drinks set up we got a

37:39

fold-out table shittiest fold-out table we ever

37:41

seen laid it out and we went

37:44

and got baloney same we for a

37:46

record. You know, we're like, we cut

37:48

him up, we're like, we set all

37:51

this shit out, think we're going to

37:53

impress him, you know, I'm not making

37:55

this up. I'm not, I wish I

37:58

was making this up because it makes

38:00

me bow my head in this, my

38:02

excitement, get a record deal, right? We're

38:04

sleeping on sleeping bags with our equipment

38:07

so we could rehearse every day, we'd

38:09

find odd and end jobs to live

38:11

and go play our music everywhere and

38:14

they come and he listens to a

38:16

couple songs. and he just gets up

38:18

halfway through the song and I jump

38:21

off this little teeny stage at SIR,

38:23

right? I go, well, where are you

38:25

going? We got food. We got five

38:27

songs we got to play. These are

38:30

great. It's Talk Dirty to Me. I

38:32

won't forget you hits off of the

38:34

cat drag game record, right? Mm-hmm. And

38:37

we hadn't gotten to I one action.

38:39

We're halfway too talk dirty to me.

38:41

And now we're jumping around playing the

38:44

song. He stands up with one. The

38:46

people came with them. He goes, I'm

38:48

sorry. I just don't hear the nucleus

38:51

of any hit. That's what he said.

38:53

Meansharing laugh about this. I go, what

38:55

do you mean? I go, what are

38:57

you talking about? Because I don't hear

39:00

something very specific. I hear the nucleus

39:02

of a kit in that song. We

39:04

haven't even got to the chorus. They

39:07

left and at that moment I said,

39:09

guys, I am, if I may, I

39:11

am fucking done. I said, let's go

39:14

put our money together that we can

39:16

save up. And it was like five,

39:18

six grand. Enigma Records were great Bill

39:21

and West Hind. I got to give

39:23

him credit, takes a village, takes a

39:25

village. And we went in there, and

39:27

we recorded at Music Rinder Studios, right?

39:30

We went in with everybody, and we

39:32

lived in the studio for about five

39:34

days. You know how people always say

39:37

that first record was raw? The reason

39:39

it's raw is because there's no money.

39:41

We were recording like you can if

39:44

you listen to cat drag then you

39:46

can hear my rhythm guitar over CCCs

39:48

you can hear sometimes occasionally people talking

39:51

because the room mics are picking it

39:53

up and then we put it out

39:55

as a distribution deal and then it

39:57

exploded so we took it on. road

40:00

and we started shooting our own

40:02

videos right we shot talk dirty to

40:04

me in a warehouse we just went

40:07

in we had no money the director

40:09

never showed up so it's just two director

40:11

you know two d p's cameras

40:13

and they shot us having eight

40:15

we brighted our friends and then

40:17

the rawness of it the same song

40:19

that didn't have a hit became a

40:21

top five single Top number one

40:23

song I think didn't have a nucleus

40:26

no nucleus but things happen in your

40:28

life for a reason because then that

40:30

record label may have been the place

40:33

for us to be here we are

40:35

yeah 40 years later hanging with you

40:37

sure all you here and well I

40:40

mean there's a lot of stuff that's

40:42

gone down over the 40 years a

40:44

lot of but you just said like

40:46

but we got the record the distribution

40:49

deal but like to help us understand

40:51

like how it's How all this record

40:53

three million records or like what

40:55

that means the distribution so here's

40:57

distribution you they you have an ability

41:00

to have an outlet That is

41:02

wider than just me selling it

41:04

out of my van So now they

41:06

have middlemen they've got all then

41:08

then we dove into learning how

41:10

the business of music worked, you

41:12

know, there's a lot of how the business

41:15

works, right? And I at first I didn't

41:17

know but I got a quick learning curve

41:19

and we went in there with the band

41:21

and basically they they're like you're going to

41:23

this record store and they they only put

41:26

a couple in there and then when it

41:28

becomes a hit there's a balance all of

41:30

a sudden talk during me hit and it

41:32

sold went from selling 30,000 records

41:34

next to you know next to

41:37

nothing and all of a sudden it's at

41:39

a million records and they're trying to

41:41

keep up with it. we're doing record

41:43

stores and I'm like spinal tap. I

41:45

mean we went to a couple and you know

41:47

beat Montana or where you know Pocatella Idaho

41:50

we were playing a show at a club

41:52

and we went to the record store and

41:54

I'm not making this up not one single

41:56

person came like we're just a four of

41:58

us standing behind the counter. You know thinking

42:00

that we're bigger. This is awesome. Nobody

42:02

like we waited for about an hour

42:04

to guy goes you go ahead and go

42:07

And you're not paid sure mean you're

42:09

driving yourselves around and you know and

42:11

then it blew up It just little luck

42:13

and a lot of hard work And

42:15

so like if you had you gotten

42:17

that that record deal had the guy been

42:19

like I love these baloney sandwiches I'm

42:21

gonna sign you guys like he would have

42:23

probably put you in a box You

42:26

would have probably lost your publishing, but then

42:28

here you are like years later on

42:30

your back end Like guitar hero comes

42:32

around and all these like later things that

42:34

nobody even knew whatever exists, right? And

42:36

you were able to benefit from it.

42:38

It's such a great story I don't think

42:40

enough people know that about your story.

42:42

I you guys are so independent I

42:44

love this because it's a deep dive that

42:47

I'm telling you not many people know

42:49

this when you You're publishing and your masters

42:51

and all these different things. You're a

42:53

kid. So here's where people get screwed over

42:55

We don't know what we're we're like,

42:57

I'm so excited and they're like we're give

42:59

him a limo ride I didn't even

43:01

know what limo seemed was I'm like

43:04

what yeah, I grew up in mechanicsburg pencil

43:06

I'm like which I love but I

43:08

go I never been in a limo

43:10

Maybe it prom once or something I got

43:12

to you know pitch in on one

43:14

you get a limo deal when they

43:16

sign your life Away the best thing that

43:18

happened to poison is no one wanted

43:20

it. We kept all of our publishing right

43:23

to this day We kept all the

43:25

all the master rights to publishing capital EMI

43:27

We then formed a great relationship with

43:29

and it it didn't suck That's all

43:31

I'm gonna say it if we would have

43:33

been on the other one when our

43:35

second record didn't hit We would have

43:37

been dropped like if something all of a

43:39

sudden every rose came out and it

43:42

tanked or nothing But a good time

43:44

they would have just we had seven record

43:46

deal would have been right and they

43:48

would have just put us On the shelf

43:50

and we were we were done, right?

43:52

I mean it's It's more I think then

43:54

you know give a kid a limo

43:56

ride impress me signs his life away what

43:59

it is like a catch 22 because especially

44:01

back then right without a

44:03

record deal you're never gonna

44:05

get heard you're never gonna

44:07

get on on the radio never gonna

44:09

no one's ever gonna know about you

44:12

so like you need a record deal

44:14

to to break it out big but

44:16

in order to get paid anything you

44:19

need to open or you need to

44:21

own your rights so it's like one

44:23

million percent if you want to be

44:25

known you can't earn money and if

44:27

you want to like earn money you

44:29

can't be known and so like the

44:32

people who very very few people were

44:34

able to to do that to break out

44:36

and get the radio play and and

44:38

and and make it really big and

44:40

hold on to to their publishing

44:43

and make all the money. And

44:45

if I'm not mistaken, like

44:47

the difference between owning

44:50

your own publishing versus signing

44:52

with a major, those artists,

44:54

those bands that are signed

44:57

with a major, have to

44:59

sell 10 times than the

45:01

number of records, the units,

45:03

to make what you're making

45:06

when you own it, right?

45:08

Is that right? Is it

45:10

10X? easily 10x and easily

45:12

10x and here's you this

45:14

is such a great conversation

45:16

sincerely because everyone wants like

45:18

a crazy story only but I

45:20

could tell you what makes you

45:22

crazy when I hit that stage

45:24

I am unleashing all of that I've

45:27

kept inside me in gratitude it's

45:29

weird to be able to come

45:31

out and sometimes what's burning me

45:33

is something that really pissed me

45:35

off but when I hit that

45:37

stage I'm in love with the

45:39

gratitude of being up here and

45:41

the fans that allowed me to

45:43

do this. I love them. Like

45:45

I want to go out and

45:47

hug all of them and say,

45:49

three, four generations, thank you, because

45:52

you're what kept me in the

45:54

game. And it's so funny, when

45:56

you talk about publishing, and don't

45:58

forget for me, I am a... I'm

46:00

truly an independent person. Like I

46:02

own our own merchandise company. I

46:04

kept that. They made an offer.

46:06

Oh, by the way. You got

46:08

this great shirt. Look at that

46:10

delightful shirt right there. Yeah. That's

46:12

a win. How that's a shirt.

46:14

Yeah. Thank you, by the way,

46:16

for throwing out on. I appreciate

46:18

it, man. It's your chance I

46:20

wouldn't have put it on. But

46:22

it's everything you're saying. I'm telling

46:24

you, one of the things we

46:27

got to do one of these

46:29

days is find that gap. to

46:31

teach young artists and them how

46:33

to come together for better deals

46:35

because even when you we got

46:37

a billion some we just got

46:39

this big award you know from

46:41

Spotify I'm grateful but it there's

46:43

so many other moving parts you

46:45

you want your record out there

46:47

the movies they're buying up nothing

46:49

but a good time your college

46:51

game day just did the March

46:53

Madness bought up songs that's amazing

46:55

but I'm still I still think

46:57

and live the same way as

46:59

I did then, that I still

47:01

got to go out there and

47:03

work this shit and prove myself.

47:05

I never got to that spot

47:07

where I'm like, and it's what

47:09

keeps me going. I love being

47:11

fired up. Sure. And I don't

47:13

know that you have to go

47:15

and help kids as much these

47:17

days because... they're probably way smarter

47:19

than me and I could tell

47:21

you're way more educated at this

47:23

point major labels are a little

47:25

bit obsolete are they not almost

47:27

a hundred percent yeah yeah and

47:30

and you know like it's almost

47:32

like the record label is more

47:34

of like a touring deal correct

47:36

and it's you know when you

47:38

go out there and tour I'm

47:40

grateful for great promoters you get

47:42

you get out there with the

47:44

live nations or you go out

47:46

there if you do it independently

47:48

you get with AEG You go

47:50

out there and I tell people

47:52

one of the things people have

47:54

to understand. I'm like a Buffett

47:56

or Springsteen. There's nights we'll be

47:58

out playing the stadium or the

48:00

arenas and I'm... telling everyone next

48:02

week I'm going to Arcata I'm

48:04

going into St. Charles in Illinois

48:06

it's 904 seats and I said

48:08

I'm gonna enjoy that as much

48:10

as I'm going to enjoy. I

48:12

have trouble leaving that you're playing

48:14

anywhere with 900. No no I'm

48:16

not making this up like we'll

48:18

be it rigly and then three

48:20

days later they're like the business

48:22

says don't do that that's a

48:24

dumb move people I said no

48:26

we're gonna Wrigley was a great

48:28

gig. Oh my God. And then

48:31

I and bear with me. Then

48:33

all of a sudden I'm a

48:35

darkata. What I was saying is

48:37

loving every moment of playing there

48:39

and again, I want to say

48:41

this word GP. So the gross

48:43

potential. The walkout potential. The walkout

48:45

potential. You have to make the

48:47

promoter pay you that guarantee that

48:49

is the size of his building.

48:51

If you got 10,000 seats, the

48:53

walkout potential can be umptine zillion

48:55

dollars. When you're playing a 1,

48:57

a thousand-a thousand-a thousand-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a You're getting

48:59

the walkout out of the door

49:01

for a thousand cedar, but I

49:03

should be able to play again

49:05

going back to the box if

49:07

Springsteen used to go play the

49:09

stone pony But you know what

49:11

I mean a couple nights before

49:13

that and I'm not bitching about

49:15

any of this I'm saying he

49:17

was playing it at the stadium

49:19

You know what I mean, and

49:21

then he's down playing at a

49:23

club that holds 500 people and

49:25

I loved it Well, well, I

49:27

hear you know, what's walkout potential

49:29

is if you sell out completely

49:32

that like the maximum amount of

49:34

money that you can generate correct

49:36

but with any with the gig

49:38

and so that's your you're getting

49:40

that as a guarantee you'll go

49:42

into it with a minimum guarantee

49:44

yeah oh versus a profit split

49:46

with the venue or right the

49:48

promoter or whatever it is yeah

49:50

and and and the the versus

49:52

what once that you've generated enough

49:54

revenue to clear the guarantee where

49:56

now you're into extra money. you

49:58

go to the profit split and

50:00

then at the point that you

50:02

cannot sell another ticket you've generated

50:04

the maximum amount of profit right

50:06

then what you're going to walk

50:08

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51:19

to people it's so simple play

51:21

where you want don't let you

51:23

know you want to go play

51:25

a club you love growing up

51:27

and go either go you know

51:29

you go in you work it

51:31

out with the promoter say look

51:33

I've got a big crew with

51:36

us we you know but we're

51:38

gonna make this fit in this

51:40

building it'll be great and and

51:42

and we're easily gonna you know

51:44

what I'm getting that's going to

51:46

sell out quickly But he made

51:48

a lot, because you brought a

51:50

lot of new eyeballs to his

51:52

new venue, small venue. But then

51:54

all of a sudden you're out

51:56

playing the impetitors and you make...

51:58

All those, they give you a

52:00

guarantee so you know you're both

52:02

have, we'll call it, you both

52:04

have skin in the game. You

52:06

know, you don't want to promote

52:08

or not to have any skin because

52:10

then they don't got to promote you.

52:12

So they have a risk potential and

52:15

we have a risk potential, but then

52:17

my thing is. as much as they

52:19

wanted to be packed and fun, I

52:22

wanted to be packed. So I work

52:24

it, I go in there, and then

52:26

the fans have a great time. Yeah.

52:28

And I said, you're playing a, bear

52:31

with me, an amphitheater, and

52:33

there grows potentials,

52:35

800-some thousand at night.

52:38

Obviously, it's a different money

52:40

level than a thousand-seater. You

52:42

know what I mean? Right.

52:45

But this conversation where we're

52:47

at now. of how genius you

52:49

were on, I don't know if there

52:51

was season two or season

52:53

three, but Rock of Love

52:56

started out, you're in the

52:58

house. Correct. You're in the

53:00

house. Yeah, yeah. And it's almost

53:02

like, you know, you've got your,

53:04

you're a celebrity, but like, you

53:07

know, it's all rough. Then the

53:09

stroke of genius to say,

53:11

hey, let's film the next

53:13

season. The, was it the bus of love?

53:16

Yeah, we got to the third one and it

53:18

was Rock of Love Bus. Rock of Love

53:20

Bus. Take it on the road. This was the

53:22

most incredibly genius idea ever. Like,

53:25

hey, why don't I, why don't I

53:27

make this hit show, stop being in

53:29

a house and stop and why don't

53:31

I make the whole show become a

53:33

vehicle for promoting my touring business? Both.

53:35

It was both. Yeah. Because also for

53:37

me. This is, I said guys. I

53:39

said, guys. I love you. I love you. I love

53:41

you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I

53:43

love you. You've seen, we've gone out, we've

53:46

ridden motorcycles, we played football, we did

53:48

all this. Let's take this across America,

53:50

let's take this to Canada. I think

53:52

we even went to South America. That's

53:54

why I refuse to believe that you're

53:56

doing 1,000 seat anything. No, no, let me, let

53:58

me, let me, let me. What I meant

54:00

by that is the Springsteen effect. I

54:03

know Bruce doesn't need to go play

54:05

the Stone Pony. It's more out of

54:07

the love, the fact that I love

54:09

that he went in there, a couple

54:11

acoustic guitars took his band, and I'm

54:14

seeing it up close and personal, but

54:16

for me, I love to go out

54:18

and play. We're playing this year's all

54:20

big festivals, arenas, arenas, amphitheaters, and then

54:23

I'll say I want to go play

54:25

this venue. this venue, this venue, these

54:27

are places I grew up with, they

54:29

gave me a chance when no one

54:31

else did. Yeah, it's like Bill, or

54:34

we'll do the Gotham Comedy Club every

54:36

time. That's exactly it. Right. That's exactly

54:38

it. Yep, but that, going out on

54:40

the road, that was such a, such

54:42

a great, you want to talk, one

54:45

day if you ever speak to Chris

54:47

again, that is when it went. Hog

54:49

while crazy it was There was no

54:51

stopping it was it was awesome. Yeah,

54:53

I mean that I think like Was

54:56

it was it ever like? The bus

54:58

element did you guys say hey there?

55:00

Was it you personally like hey, you

55:02

know what like we've done everything with

55:04

the house now. Let's take it on

55:07

the road. Right I mean you had

55:09

to know like I did I needed

55:11

to go in the road because it's

55:13

what I did and we had a

55:16

tour scheduled so we just would go

55:18

to the cities like we were playing

55:20

the alt festival and brought the girls

55:22

to the thing and we just I

55:24

said guys if you keep this real

55:27

the show will keep going and they

55:29

won we could have done probably we

55:31

did three seasons I was hard for

55:33

they're like they're like we can keep

55:35

doing it and I'm like I said

55:38

I don't know if my liver can

55:40

hold out much longer doing it because

55:42

I I'm not gonna lie it was

55:44

a how do you look so damn

55:46

good? Well first of all I'm just

55:49

gonna absorb that and say thank you

55:51

the but Is there something about being

55:53

a rock strike? A lot of like

55:55

D Snyder looks great. Like I'm gonna

55:58

for here's what it is for me

56:00

again. I'm going back six years old

56:02

type one diabetic for me just before

56:04

we came on here checking my blood

56:06

sugar make sure I'm ticking taking low

56:09

insulin, you know, make sure I'm good.

56:11

The one thing about rock and roll

56:13

is it everyone used to say rock

56:15

and roll could kill you. It has

56:17

kept me young and kept me in

56:20

the game and it makes me feel

56:22

fired up. I don't think any different

56:24

today than I did when I was

56:26

in my basement standing with my sump

56:28

pump backed up, you know, in my

56:31

house with the water on the indoor

56:33

outdoor carpeting. And just to... be able

56:35

to come out here and kick ass

56:37

and like you know just before seeing

56:39

you we were just doing a show

56:42

last night yeah got done late party

56:44

with my then you know my buddy

56:46

Rick Harrison his birthday yeah and and

56:48

just and then the next day getting

56:51

up and realizing if I want to

56:53

keep doing this if I want to

56:55

be around for my family for my

56:57

kids I'm just going to have to

56:59

kick ass. We were talking inside about

57:02

getting on the what bikes. And the

57:04

bike that works for me in the

57:06

house or the gym, and is there

57:08

one that fits on this RV? I

57:10

mean, I already know where to put

57:13

it for you. It's going to be

57:15

my gift. That's great. Do you hang

57:17

with Sammy Hager? I do. Like another

57:19

perfect example of rock and roll. Sammy

57:21

77 years old if I'm not clear

57:24

me out on this. I've known him

57:26

forever I never knew I never once

57:28

asked him his age right and for

57:30

some reason I didn't look it up

57:32

I I thought we were the same

57:35

age I knew we'd been around obviously

57:37

before me but I thought always maybe

57:39

a couple years older that guy kicks

57:41

at he's an inspiration. He's inspiration man.

57:44

D. Snyder and Sam Hagar. It's hard

57:46

to tell like who I love more.

57:48

They're both, they're both the same. Yeah,

57:50

and now you, like, we're talking Mount

57:52

Rushmore of the greatest, like, can I,

57:55

my head be half, at least half

57:57

of my head on there. Sammy D.

57:59

and half of me, at least half

58:01

of my skull. Like, those guys, you.

58:03

Here's a night. So with that 1

58:06

million percent, the guy, so many of

58:08

them are great, right? And again, I

58:10

want to say Sammy, one of the

58:12

best. If you ever get a chance,

58:14

I'm not doing a shameless promotion for

58:17

Sammy, but I'm going to say it.

58:19

Please. We did at my ranch, the

58:21

Sammy's Rock and Roll Roadshow. And it

58:23

made music history. So I get out

58:25

my sandrails. I go, dude, we're going

58:28

Steve-bo on this. I said, we're going

58:30

to- We're gonna get the fuck on

58:32

the back of the car. I put

58:34

Pete my guitar player strapped him with

58:37

a bungee cord over that hot ass

58:39

big engine and me and Sammy I'm

58:41

driving right playing harmonica and acoustic guitars

58:43

and we did your mama don't dance

58:45

nice if anyone gets to check it

58:48

out there's nothing in it for me

58:50

I'm saying it is we one of

58:52

the greatest guys D's great the night

58:54

Ranger guys are great every deaf leopard

58:56

guys amazing man I consider them friends

58:59

and You know, Tyler and me, Vince.

59:01

Vince and me get along unbelievably well.

59:03

Yeah, we get along great. I know

59:05

there's highs and lows, people say, but

59:07

for me, every time we ever been

59:10

around each other, it's been, we've had

59:12

a great time. Yeah. Now, I wonder,

59:14

go ahead. Well, I was just gonna

59:16

say, I've heard you talk about Gene

59:19

Simmons, and I know like Gene Simmons

59:21

is not known for being the nicest

59:23

guy. as a businessman like being around

59:25

him and touring with him. So you're

59:27

ready for this? You know, Gene is

59:30

a great business person and I want

59:32

to say entrepreneur, businessman, right? And I'd

59:34

like to think that as much as

59:36

I like having fun, I get it

59:38

done. And without a doubt, learn from

59:41

Gene. He taught us what we were

59:43

talking about. Be careful with this. Watch

59:45

out for that. You get excited. Don't

59:47

sign this away. And the show they

59:49

put on Gene's great. And again. I'm

59:52

going to take down the mask for

59:54

a little. I'm going to take the

59:56

makeup off gene for a moment. I

59:58

bring my kids on the road and

1:00:00

every... He was doing magic tricks for

1:00:03

them. Like he'd be, he took my

1:00:05

one daughter up on stage with them.

1:00:07

Like, you know, that's not who you

1:00:09

think he would be. And that mate

1:00:12

took a guy that already admired and

1:00:14

loved up a whole other notch. Because

1:00:16

here was this guy that behind it

1:00:18

all, he's gonna hate me. Super freaking

1:00:20

nice. Oh, nice. I mean, Cole talking

1:00:23

to you, hey, your kids, let me

1:00:25

show him this magic thing and they

1:00:27

were, they were blown away. And then

1:00:29

he. grabbed him brought him up on

1:00:31

stage and he just before he went

1:00:34

up in the air and it was

1:00:36

it it I already loved the music

1:00:38

and the people you know loved the

1:00:40

person but it took it another level

1:00:42

killer yep when you did the stadium

1:00:45

tour with deaf leopard and molly right

1:00:47

wasn't there like I seem to recall

1:00:49

Nikki six like kind of having like

1:00:51

not great things to say about poison

1:00:53

Interesting, right. Yeah, and then all of

1:00:56

a sudden they're going on the the

1:00:58

stadium tour. I just wonder like what

1:01:00

the dynamic there, you know. What's weird?

1:01:02

Here's another thing. Nikki, same thing. You

1:01:05

know, we went out with Motley Crew

1:01:07

a thousand times. Me and Nikki always

1:01:09

hanging. Like we back in the day,

1:01:11

we'd always, you know, I'm a big

1:01:13

Harley guy. We'd going right, couldn't be

1:01:16

a nicer guy. I think. You know,

1:01:18

again, I didn't read what Nikki said

1:01:20

and I've had a couple people bring

1:01:22

it up, but then when I see

1:01:24

him, he's the most inviting, come in,

1:01:27

do this, and I think sometimes there's

1:01:29

also part of it, I'm guessing, I

1:01:31

want to say this, there's a part

1:01:33

of it of a little bit of,

1:01:35

you know, putting on a bad-ass demeanor,

1:01:38

but underneath it, nothing but nice, like

1:01:40

when I see him backstage. How you

1:01:42

doing? Great to see you. And if

1:01:44

you said something, I don't got nothing

1:01:47

bad to say back, I wish I

1:01:49

could counter with something. But he's always,

1:01:51

he's a, you know what I mean?

1:01:53

He's a nice guy and I don't

1:01:55

think that there's, like, I don't know,

1:01:58

like, I think there's. there's some ego

1:02:00

to it. I think there's some

1:02:02

competitiveness to it. There's always a little hidden.

1:02:04

Yeah, because it's not a sport, but there's always a

1:02:06

little hidden, you know, there's always a little hidden, I

1:02:08

just, what's weird? I, if you ask any band, I

1:02:10

ask you to ask D this, I beg you, I'm

1:02:12

the first guy give up my dress, I'm like, you guys

1:02:14

need to, I don't care, I'll stay out in the bus, you know,

1:02:17

I'll stay out, I'll stay out, I'll stay out, I'll stay out in

1:02:19

the pre-out, I'll stay out in the pre-out, I'll stay out,

1:02:21

I'll stay out in the pre-out, I'll stay out in the

1:02:23

pre-out, I'll stay out in the, I'll stay out in the,

1:02:25

I'll stay out in the, I'll stay out in the, I'll

1:02:27

stay out, I'll stay out, I'll stay out, I'll stay out,

1:02:29

I'll stay out for the fans, but it makes me raise

1:02:31

to the challenge. Like me fucking another

1:02:33

band over before they go on, you

1:02:35

will never find anywhere in history a

1:02:38

band that we cut their lights, their

1:02:40

sound, nowhere. Like Sharon did to... It

1:02:42

didn't happen. We just, I don't know

1:02:45

about all that, but I know we

1:02:47

won't do it because it makes me

1:02:49

get on my game. If they're out

1:02:52

there kicking, Night Ranger comes out, man,

1:02:54

they're kicking as Vince. Just at a

1:02:56

show with me. And he was, you

1:02:59

know, we're co-headlining, but he was starting

1:03:01

to show. He sounded great. And I

1:03:03

go, all right, now it's challenge

1:03:05

on. Not competitive against each other, like

1:03:08

two sport teams going against it, but

1:03:10

obviously you want to push hard to

1:03:12

succeed at stuff, right? You want to,

1:03:15

but the other side of me is

1:03:17

rolling with the punches and having a

1:03:19

great time and owning, I own who

1:03:21

I am. I own what I've done and

1:03:23

I own what I do and I

1:03:26

own what I'm going to do, right?

1:03:28

Yeah. And, you know, and the

1:03:30

one thing again, I'll say this,

1:03:32

and again, I want to go

1:03:35

on record. With Motley, we've toured

1:03:37

a bunch of times together. Vince

1:03:39

and me have done a lot

1:03:42

of shows together, solo shows. I

1:03:44

mean, that makes sense. But

1:03:46

here's the thing. Poison Motley.

1:03:49

Like appealed to chicks. So no

1:03:51

doubt let me let me throw

1:03:53

this in there. I think one

1:03:55

of the things that Motley brought

1:03:58

that that in and in I'm

1:04:00

going back to Tyler too. I

1:04:02

know a little earlier, you know,

1:04:04

there's one of the things we

1:04:06

brought is we have a perfect

1:04:08

50-50 audience. They're coming out to

1:04:10

have a great time for us.

1:04:13

I can't speak for Motley. I

1:04:15

can't speak for Aerosmith. We go

1:04:17

out there and we give everything's

1:04:19

on that stage. And I think

1:04:21

that when you're talking about it

1:04:23

coming out there, a lot of

1:04:26

that music crossed over where a

1:04:28

lot of earlier rock. Didn't quite

1:04:30

have the crossover that Motley or

1:04:32

that that poison deaf leper deaf

1:04:34

leper death sure got a you

1:04:36

know I mean a good split

1:04:38

audience Yeah men women coming out

1:04:41

to the show right and then

1:04:43

like it did you know that

1:04:45

not I didn't mean to fuck

1:04:47

yep I got no I get

1:04:49

all excited I sure I love

1:04:51

it but like I love Wasp

1:04:53

too, but let's be honest, like

1:04:56

you're not going to a Wasp

1:04:58

concert to see a bunch of

1:05:00

hot chicks in the audience. Allegedly.

1:05:02

It's just so it's so epic

1:05:04

that like you've masterfully just you're

1:05:06

like it's like you masterfully just

1:05:09

recharged yourself like and that's what

1:05:11

but you refreshing what you do

1:05:13

and who you are is this

1:05:15

is no lie I don't go

1:05:17

home and think how do I

1:05:19

brand myself right what I find

1:05:21

is is projects films music that

1:05:24

makes me excited and I'm like

1:05:26

apprentice I wanted to win I'm

1:05:28

like man I want to diabetes

1:05:30

is huge it's the third leading

1:05:32

cause of death in the United

1:05:34

States oh wow yeah well but

1:05:36

let's and I said no one

1:05:39

between type one and type two

1:05:41

yes so There's three, there's pre-diabetes,

1:05:43

there's type one, type two, but

1:05:45

the thing is that I got

1:05:47

type one was that happened to

1:05:49

me when I was six years

1:05:52

old, there was no effect from

1:05:54

food or anything at that age.

1:05:56

It's not because you were a

1:05:58

slob. Yeah, yeah. That is allegedly

1:06:00

allegedly your honor. That is a

1:06:02

legend. I would like that last

1:06:04

remark stricken from the record please.

1:06:07

I heard a statistic that Americans

1:06:09

born after year 2000 one in

1:06:11

three will develop diabetes because the

1:06:13

diet in this country is just

1:06:15

so awful and so much sugar

1:06:17

and like it'll get you. That's

1:06:19

what it does and that like

1:06:22

I said we in going into

1:06:24

do apprentice we were filming rock

1:06:26

a love right we're doing the

1:06:28

third one I went into do

1:06:30

they ask about doing it in

1:06:32

the first time they'd ask I

1:06:35

couldn't do it because we're in

1:06:37

the middle of touring and filming

1:06:39

I did it I'm like I'm

1:06:41

going I'm a thousand percent in

1:06:43

came back finished that went and

1:06:45

did rock it so then all

1:06:47

of a sudden the show comes

1:06:50

up a friend of mine's doing

1:06:52

rock my rv that does extreme

1:06:54

rv and I'm like oh my

1:06:56

god I knew everything about them

1:06:58

like I can rip this apart

1:07:00

from the part from the ground

1:07:02

up from the ground up right

1:07:05

and I got in there I'm

1:07:07

like let's do rock my RV

1:07:09

on travel channel and we went

1:07:11

in there and had the best

1:07:13

time is that like pimp my

1:07:15

ride it's like pimp my ride

1:07:18

but it was that yes it's

1:07:20

but it was people would bring

1:07:22

in dilapidated I'm like man this

1:07:24

is a this is ground up

1:07:26

you know I mean this is

1:07:28

a whole restoration going on here

1:07:30

you know and we just go

1:07:33

in and have fun doing it

1:07:35

and we did so many of

1:07:37

those kind of shows but all

1:07:39

of it puts you out there

1:07:41

But if you're good at who

1:07:43

you are, if you stay true

1:07:45

to who you are, you can

1:07:48

bring it back to the music.

1:07:50

You know what I mean? And

1:07:52

that's what happened. Right, man. And,

1:07:54

uh, dude, so here you are,

1:07:56

touring relentlessly, making new music constant.

1:07:58

always like we're parked outside of

1:08:01

your hangar where you've got like

1:08:03

your private jet that I mean

1:08:05

it's just it's incredible man it's

1:08:07

incredible how just how much staying

1:08:09

power how just like the work

1:08:11

ethic like You're making my day,

1:08:13

this is thank you. I mean,

1:08:16

I know I can't stop smiling,

1:08:18

but it's made, but thank you

1:08:20

though. And I appreciate the awesome

1:08:22

words. Shauna describes you this way.

1:08:24

She's like, man, like, you don't

1:08:26

understand Brett Michael's that, like, he's,

1:08:28

uh, they also worked with Rob

1:08:31

Deardick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know,

1:08:33

like, he said, like, businesses, like,

1:08:35

she says, Brett Michael's, man, you

1:08:37

don't even understand like. the business

1:08:39

acumen like the just the go

1:08:41

go go and right like what

1:08:44

what what uh how many businesses

1:08:46

do you own you said the

1:08:48

merchants right so they all all

1:08:50

of the touring we do right

1:08:52

and for years and one of

1:08:54

the things I love to do

1:08:56

is I love that I'm a

1:08:59

boots in the dirt I like

1:09:01

to get dirty get my hands

1:09:03

dirty I love real estate so

1:09:05

we have a whole adventure we

1:09:07

do not just reach and all

1:09:09

that but real estate itself and

1:09:11

one day we're gonna come on

1:09:14

here and I please don't laugh

1:09:16

at me I'm gonna do rocks

1:09:18

and stocks with you I'm not

1:09:20

kidding you the market it is

1:09:22

I'm a dollar cost average guy

1:09:24

play long term right I'm not

1:09:27

I'm gonna make you bored to

1:09:29

death you're gonna cry dude I

1:09:31

so the first couple pennies I

1:09:33

can rub together you know I

1:09:35

said I don't I claimed I

1:09:37

didn't know I went and found

1:09:39

the most honest best person I

1:09:42

could find right that knew what

1:09:44

they were doing they weren't a

1:09:46

mass gambler because you don't want

1:09:48

to work hard to get you

1:09:50

gamble to get it you don't

1:09:52

want to give us somebody and

1:09:54

you wake up and it's it

1:09:57

somehow vanished right and I and

1:09:59

And to this day, I'm a

1:10:01

loyal person still with me, and if

1:10:03

you follow it right, and I'm going to

1:10:05

give advice here, give a little sample

1:10:08

away for free, dollar cost average.

1:10:10

So what that means is you go in,

1:10:12

you bet on something at a price point,

1:10:14

you let it make its way up, you can

1:10:16

scrape a little off and play with

1:10:18

the house's money, right? Then you're, you,

1:10:20

you want, but you got to pay

1:10:22

capital gains on that. So if you

1:10:25

can let it keep rolling, and there's

1:10:27

going to be some bad days. and

1:10:29

you just kind of watch what they're

1:10:31

going to do. They're going to

1:10:34

short it, they're going to long,

1:10:36

you know, they're going long, they're

1:10:38

shorting, there's hedge funds, momentum players,

1:10:41

there's day traders, there's all

1:10:43

these different people going against you.

1:10:45

But if you just stay calm, if

1:10:47

it goes down, don't freak out, just put

1:10:49

a little more in. Yeah, it doesn't go

1:10:51

down, it goes on sale. It goes on

1:10:54

sale. And as long as you don't sell

1:10:56

it, you don't, you don't lose. but

1:10:58

you didn't do it. You have to

1:11:00

buy good. Allegedly you lost. Allegedly you

1:11:02

lost. So I just, that didn't suck.

1:11:04

But there's a lot of different, again,

1:11:06

music being number one. That's my love.

1:11:09

And the rest of it is just

1:11:11

things I'm passionate about. But I never

1:11:13

let him put me in a box

1:11:15

when I would go on these shows

1:11:17

and talk about like we just did

1:11:19

stocks or like, you know, publish and

1:11:21

stuff. Like you don't want to do

1:11:24

that. You're. Let me just go do

1:11:26

what the fuck I do and talk

1:11:28

to people and be real and then

1:11:30

I don't gotta look over my shoulder.

1:11:32

I don't gotta remember. Yeah. What did

1:11:34

I say I did last year? Yeah.

1:11:36

I'm not looking over my show. I

1:11:39

love your wrongness. Yeah, tell the truth.

1:11:41

Tell the truth. You never have to

1:11:43

keep trying. I don't gotta keep

1:11:45

going like this. It's too much. Right.

1:11:48

Brett, I wanted to punch you

1:11:50

right in your face since you got

1:11:52

in here. But I'm just going to,

1:11:54

allegedly. This is, you know, I think

1:11:57

we're really close towards the end, you

1:11:59

know. I got so like I

1:12:01

don't mind giving up something that

1:12:03

that I say in my my

1:12:05

current live show. It's it I

1:12:07

mention you. Is any of it

1:12:09

good? I think it's great. I

1:12:12

think it's great. I think to

1:12:14

me, to me, it's really funny.

1:12:16

Okay. Like I got this, this

1:12:18

penis tattooed on my face. I

1:12:20

can't stop looking at it. I

1:12:22

got it like, because how else,

1:12:24

how else was I going to

1:12:26

find out how long I last

1:12:28

before I just have to get

1:12:30

it laserred off? You know, like,

1:12:33

I'm hanging tough almost a year.

1:12:35

I'm dying to get it off.

1:12:37

I'm looking at it. I'm like,

1:12:39

I'm answering it and I'm like,

1:12:41

I'm answering it and I'm going,

1:12:43

I can't be serious right now.

1:12:45

I'm having it all the night.

1:12:47

And you know, posting it along,

1:12:49

I'm tutored it up. Oh, you

1:12:51

got my cocks. I mean, stocks.

1:12:54

Thank you post for the whole

1:12:56

entire show. He gave a nice

1:12:58

shout out to me. I love

1:13:00

you post. Who by the way

1:13:02

is one of the coolest people

1:13:04

ever ever ever. I can't I

1:13:06

can't stop thanking him and not

1:13:08

thanking him right now for doing

1:13:10

that. Because you're answering me a

1:13:12

serious question. I see it moving.

1:13:15

Right. So. I'm relating the experience.

1:13:17

Go ahead, I'm sorry. A little

1:13:19

bit at the beginning of the

1:13:21

show. I'm talking about like, there's

1:13:23

one of my plans. I'm gonna

1:13:25

be wilder and then I've raised

1:13:27

the bar. I'm gonna dick tattooed

1:13:29

on my face. And I say

1:13:31

that when I woke up the

1:13:33

next morning. Right. You know, that

1:13:36

where it all kind of comes

1:13:38

back together, like you pieced together

1:13:40

when I was like, oh yeah.

1:13:42

Yeah. And then like, like this

1:13:44

wave of panic panic. Swept over

1:13:46

me like oh my god. What

1:13:48

have I done like what do

1:13:50

they do and then actually lasted

1:13:52

all day long? This this feeling

1:13:54

of terror. It's a it's a

1:13:57

weird gut feel I've been there

1:13:59

right and I've been there many

1:14:01

times and I thought oh my

1:14:03

god. What have I done like

1:14:05

now I'm gonna spend the rest

1:14:07

of my life just like brat

1:14:09

Michael's with a bandana that never

1:14:11

got my head. I've got a

1:14:13

dick. Well, at least you got

1:14:15

a dick. I've had probably sewn

1:14:18

to my forehead. To cut, I'm

1:14:20

going to wear a bandag. I'm

1:14:22

thinking I'm going to eat a

1:14:24

snow in your head. At least

1:14:26

mine absorbs a sweat. Right. And

1:14:28

I did, like, I bought these

1:14:30

headbands, I thought, like, oh, I'm

1:14:32

gonna always wear them, you know?

1:14:34

You can get them stitched on.

1:14:36

It's not much. I know a

1:14:39

guy. Yeah. It's fantastic, man. So,

1:14:41

so, uh, you got this private

1:14:43

jet, like, it's primarily for touring.

1:14:45

Yeah, it's all business allegedly Everything

1:14:47

is for business on that. Yeah,

1:14:49

yeah, yeah, it's uh, but you

1:14:51

just went to LA for your

1:14:53

birthday. I did I did and

1:14:55

we go ahead You took the

1:14:57

jet presumably. Yes. Yeah, yeah, and

1:15:00

I mean it was working your

1:15:02

ass off. It's your birthday. Let

1:15:04

me like what does Brett Michael's

1:15:06

birthday celebration in Los Angeles in

1:15:08

2025 look like. So there's two

1:15:10

different ways we celebrate it. One,

1:15:12

with everybody on the road, everyone

1:15:14

comes out and it's a party.

1:15:16

When I'm at home, I get

1:15:18

such little time with Christie and

1:15:20

Marine and George and the kids

1:15:23

that it's usually just small, some

1:15:25

intimate friends and family and I,

1:15:27

you know. But it's really a

1:15:29

great time. It's a great vibe

1:15:31

and we have these go, you

1:15:33

know, not as crazy, nearly as

1:15:35

crazy as you, but we got

1:15:37

these electric motorcycles and go pads

1:15:39

that we can, we're at the

1:15:41

house in Los Angeles because they're

1:15:44

not real big in Arizona. They

1:15:46

let us rip it up. Right.

1:15:48

Yeah. We got the KX 250.

1:15:50

We're ripping it up here there.

1:15:52

We go out and we race

1:15:54

these and we have. We get

1:15:56

down and we built a little

1:15:58

track behind the house out and

1:16:00

we're at in Southern Cow as

1:16:02

well and we live it up.

1:16:05

It's great. So the LA were

1:16:07

at the celebration. That was the

1:16:09

Mellow family. I won't even say

1:16:11

Mellow, just great family, great food,

1:16:13

great celebrate. And then the one

1:16:15

out on the road is the

1:16:17

everyone after the show. It's a

1:16:19

good time. We kept going. We

1:16:21

did it with, just did it

1:16:23

with Rick with Rick. Harrison, you

1:16:26

know, and everyone came out and

1:16:28

we threw it with him and

1:16:30

Dee. Dee Snyder, me, Mark McGrath

1:16:32

are all born on March 15th.

1:16:34

Nice. The Iads of March. And

1:16:36

Rick came after us March 27th.

1:16:38

Mark McGrath, really good at not

1:16:40

taking himself seriously. The best dude

1:16:42

ever. I want to say that.

1:16:44

But Mark, we had him out

1:16:47

on tour and we're in the

1:16:49

middle of doing poison stuff. Boom,

1:16:51

all of a sudden Mark McGrath,

1:16:53

the crowd went crazy. When you

1:16:55

try, when you don't segregate it,

1:16:57

you find out that people just

1:16:59

love having a great time together.

1:17:01

And think about what we do,

1:17:03

right? We bring a whole arena

1:17:05

of people from different walks of

1:17:08

life, different thoughts, different political views,

1:17:10

and we bring them all together,

1:17:12

and they're jumping up and down.

1:17:14

I sent you some of those

1:17:16

pictures jumping on their feet, and

1:17:18

some of them are. you know,

1:17:20

first generation, second generation. Music is,

1:17:22

I say, music is a universal

1:17:24

language meant to excite us, unite

1:17:26

us, it never divides us. You

1:17:29

look out into your audience. Right.

1:17:31

Do you have the thought, man,

1:17:33

I get older, they just stay

1:17:35

the same age. Yeah, they, no,

1:17:37

they, I look out there in

1:17:39

that audience is, I say, some

1:17:41

of the, you're looking at all,

1:17:43

I mean, everyone, hands up, party

1:17:45

and rocking, and rocking, and rocking,

1:17:47

and rocking, and rocking, they do,

1:17:50

they stay the same, they stay

1:17:52

the same, Is that a good

1:17:54

way to put it? Well sure.

1:17:56

And I mean, to have generated,

1:17:58

you said generations, like more generations

1:18:00

of fans. Right. It's incredible man,

1:18:02

it's incredible. And to be, to

1:18:04

have come through everything that you've

1:18:06

come through and just be a

1:18:09

family guy. Right. Surviving it,

1:18:11

number one, you know, I said grace

1:18:13

of God, grace of God, because, and

1:18:15

I mean this, you know, like I

1:18:17

tell people, I don't, I don't talk,

1:18:20

you know, a lot about this, but

1:18:22

I have a strong sense of, a

1:18:24

strong sense of just... faith and

1:18:26

treating people great and

1:18:28

good karma, good energy.

1:18:31

And you find you make a

1:18:33

lot more friends and enemies

1:18:35

that way. For sure. And

1:18:37

it's helped me a lot

1:18:39

to survive a lot of shit.

1:18:41

Yeah, for sure. I think that Big

1:18:43

Bang was the universe

1:18:45

dividing itself into a

1:18:48

lot of different pieces so

1:18:50

that it could experience itself

1:18:52

itself. and every little

1:18:54

piece of the universe.

1:18:56

You're a piece. Right. All of us. So

1:18:59

we're all, we're all God, man. And that's

1:19:01

faith and that's how you have

1:19:03

your relationship with God is by

1:19:06

just trying to beat good to

1:19:08

everybody. That's it. That's it. That's

1:19:10

it. And I'm still working. I'm a

1:19:12

work in progress, but man, I care

1:19:15

about that. You are, yeah, but you

1:19:17

know what you are. The work in

1:19:19

progress is also what I am, what

1:19:22

you are. And there's shit, I mean,

1:19:24

here again, I don't want everybody to

1:19:26

think it's everything's la-de-da. What it is

1:19:28

is when shit goes south, I figure

1:19:31

out a way to try to make

1:19:33

it better. That doesn't mean it doesn't

1:19:35

happen, it always happens. But I live

1:19:37

my life as roses and thorns. It's

1:19:40

what it is, and you find that

1:19:42

balance of, and no one when also,

1:19:44

I say this, great friends, great

1:19:46

family, and you also know when

1:19:48

there's a few that aren't. And

1:19:51

unfortunately, you just gotta let them

1:19:53

go. They're gonna rip you down,

1:19:55

rip you apart, and you don't

1:19:58

want that either. Yeah, man. Yeah,

1:20:00

that's true, dude. I can't tell you

1:20:02

how much I love you, dude. I

1:20:04

just I love you. I love you.

1:20:07

I'm coming in for the hog once

1:20:09

we stand out. Hell yeah. I'm coming

1:20:11

in for the hug. Oh, yeah. And

1:20:13

come on. So well behind the episodes.

1:20:16

Yeah, I know. She's a real. Very

1:20:18

old. I hope I didn't. in Arizona

1:20:20

I call her a dust double. It's

1:20:22

unbelievable. Let me, I'm coming to give

1:20:25

you a big hug. Okay, before we

1:20:27

sign off here, I'm wearing this great

1:20:29

t-shirt, where are people getting it? Simple,

1:20:31

everybody, if you want to check this

1:20:34

out, just come to the concert or

1:20:36

go to Bret michaels.com. Just check it

1:20:38

out. Yeah, thank you for mentioning that.

1:20:40

And it was, you look good and

1:20:43

it's the best that shirt ever looked.

1:20:45

I love it. And your tour dates,

1:20:47

Bret Michaels. Everything. We're out on the

1:20:49

road right now. All the big, the

1:20:52

arenas, the amphitheaters, the big music festivals,

1:20:54

amount with deaf leopard a bunch of

1:20:56

summer, shine down, nickel back, and then

1:20:58

just the Bret Michaels. It's an abs,

1:21:01

I call it, all killer hits, no

1:21:03

filler. Just a good time. And there

1:21:05

you have it. My new bro, Bret

1:21:07

Michaels. Now, the audio got a little

1:21:10

messed up at the end right there.

1:21:12

because when we got out of the

1:21:14

booth, like to hug each other, I

1:21:16

guess I kicked the cord out of

1:21:19

the audio recorder and that somehow lost

1:21:21

like five minutes. Like, it could have

1:21:23

been so perfect. But anyway, man, like

1:21:25

now what I didn't mention, I don't

1:21:28

think I ever did mention in the

1:21:30

episode that I was in Arizona on

1:21:32

a top secret mission to do a

1:21:34

genuinely life-threatening stunt that was like top

1:21:37

five most expensive stunts I've ever put

1:21:39

together. And I got it

1:21:41

done. done. stoked. I

1:21:43

I got it done

1:21:46

for my tour,

1:21:48

which I've rebranded and Burn

1:21:50

Burn tour. it was, it

1:21:52

was called Super Dummy. And

1:21:55

a man convinced me

1:21:57

that there's a

1:21:59

better name. So we

1:22:01

were thinking about

1:22:04

it. we were and about it.

1:22:06

Crash and burn. now I'm

1:22:08

So now I'm in Canada on the

1:22:10

crash and burn tour. And, think

1:22:13

that it was that

1:22:15

it was, uh... Fuckin' spring, right? Isn't

1:22:17

it supposed to be

1:22:19

spring? be spring? But there, like,

1:22:22

that out the

1:22:24

window those watching on

1:22:26

YouTube on and stuff.

1:22:28

Snowing like hell. Snowing

1:22:31

much that the

1:22:33

out at the venue.

1:22:35

We're supposed to

1:22:37

have the show tonight.

1:22:40

we're supposed to have the show

1:22:42

not happening. show's not happening. God.

1:22:44

Canada. I love Canada though. And you

1:22:46

know, my know, my are

1:22:49

on are at Stevo.com.

1:22:51

me there me come see

1:22:53

me in Canada. I

1:22:55

love you. love Thank

1:22:58

you. you.