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it's the Max Fun Drive. Yeah.

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What's the Max Fun Drive? Oh. Yeah,

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I'm asking you. Oh, okay. It

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what our BOCO is this year.

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I think it's time for us

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to announce here. We did, Travis

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read the title. No. It's hockey,

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talk, boudak, doc. With our pal

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and stop podcasting yourself host, Dave

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Shimka. For those of you that

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also listen to stop podcasting yourself,

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you've probably been thinking for years,

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Rachel always talks about how she

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loves the show, wouldn't it be

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nice if they all got together?

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Yeah. Well, we started with Dave,

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who knows what's gonna happen from

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here, but part of the reason

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that we picked Dave in particular...

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that we wanted to tap into

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his hockey expertise. That's a nice

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way of putting it. Gang, it's

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an hour of me and Rachel

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asking pretty rudimentary questions about what,

4:12

it's a, guys, not to get

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too conceptual, but this is a

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huge idea. It's two adults asking

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another adult what it's like to

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play this one sport. What the

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physical tactile experience of playing a

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sport is like. Specifically this one

4:27

very slippery. cold sport. Yes. It's

4:29

so fun. We gave him no

4:31

advance like heads up on what

4:33

the questions were going to be.

4:35

I didn't really know much about

4:38

his relationship with hockey other than

4:40

he had talked about playing it.

4:42

Which is all I need to

4:44

know because that's crazy. It's crazy.

4:46

We know now two people who

4:48

play hockey. That's fucking wild man.

4:51

Yeah. Yeah. And so he, I

4:53

mean, if you have listened to

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stop podcasting yourself, he is a

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former stand-up comedian. Very funny. and

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has also been hosting Stop Podcasting

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Yourself for even longer than my

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brother and my brother and me

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has been around. It's close though.

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And so, yeah, very, very fun

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conversation when we really had a

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good time. We also have lots

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later about some of the other

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stuff you can get with that.

5:47

But do you have any small

5:49

wonders to start us out with?

5:51

There's a pretty obvious one. Yeah,

5:54

I'm trying to think if maybe

5:56

we can split it up. We

5:58

could just both do it. We

6:00

did two things last night. Check

6:02

this out. Medium Wonder. It's a

6:04

new thing I've been kicking around.

6:07

Oh no. And maybe we debut

6:09

it here on the show. How

6:11

would you fix something that isn't

6:13

broken? I'm just saying if we

6:15

both have the... same small wonder

6:17

upgrade it. Oh, okay. Should we

6:20

have a nice date last night?

6:22

We did bundle it up into

6:24

a medium wonder. Did you see

6:26

what I did there? I did.

6:28

Yeah, but it, well, I mean,

6:30

has some yummy ramen. The thing

6:33

I like about the small wonder

6:35

is that I could potentially focus

6:37

on the meal and you could

6:39

potentially focus on the concert. You're

6:41

right. I'm sorry that I even

6:43

confused the plot. I'm open to

6:46

it. You know how I get

6:48

around the drive when I'm like,

6:50

let's break things quickly. It sweeps,

6:52

let's bring some new. Yeah, for

6:54

sure. Yeah, no, I was thinking

6:56

I would I would talk about

6:59

the meal and then you would

7:01

talk about the concert. Okay, that's

7:03

good. So we went to a

7:05

restaurant. close to the venue that

7:07

we went to last night. It's

7:09

called Toki Underground. Yes. Which is

7:12

like a ramen shop. It's a

7:14

very small restaurant. There couldn't have

7:16

been more than like 25 people

7:18

in there. No. And had some

7:20

really incredible ramen. Really very very

7:22

good. They apparently have a location

7:25

in Baltimore too. Toki Underground. Toki

7:27

Underground. Yeah. No, it's above. It

7:29

is well. Yeah, you definitely have

7:31

to go up the stairs to

7:33

get there. Yeah, it was, I

7:36

mean, it was, it was delicious.

7:38

We had not, I don't know

7:40

that we'd really found good Roman

7:42

in DC yet. Not yet, but

7:44

we hadn't looked also very hard.

7:46

We had looked super hard either.

7:49

Then we went to the freaking

7:51

boys go to Jupiter show babies

7:53

at the pie shop. There's a

7:55

little upstairs bar situation, corridor-shaped bar,

7:57

they packed the fucking house and

7:59

absolutely tore it apart gang. This

8:02

is going to be the biggest

8:04

band in the universe. They are

8:06

there still actively on tour if

8:08

you want to look and see

8:10

if they're going to be near

8:12

you. We would highly recommend it.

8:15

Holy shit. Probably the best. I

8:17

think it's the most fun concert

8:19

I've seen in since we moved

8:21

here. Such stage presence. I told

8:23

electrify. I told Griffin they're like

8:25

the kind of band where you

8:28

can't picture them doing anything else

8:30

No, because it just seems like

8:32

this is so exactly what they

8:34

were supposed to do funny Good

8:36

But then they hit you with

8:38

like some real shreds Jesus Christ.

8:41

They really I was really bad

8:43

bang in my head last night.

8:45

What a good time boys go

8:47

to Jupiter catch him. It's really

8:49

delightful. I'm also gonna say I've

8:51

been getting so I mean now

8:54

I follow her but my algorithm

8:56

served me up a lot of

8:58

Gabby windy content who Gabby from

9:00

the traders and Bachelorette Bachelorette no

9:02

bachelorette she was a contestant I

9:04

think on the bachelor and then

9:07

I think she was the bachelorette

9:09

like a double bachelorette situation so

9:11

funny on traders and so it's

9:13

not surprising that's not surprising that

9:15

There's lots of funny Gabby content

9:17

out there, but man, I'm so

9:20

glad that my algorithm has got

9:22

my back on this one, on

9:24

this one thing. Yeah, she's been

9:26

doing a lot of interviews now

9:28

that the season of traders has

9:31

closed and and she's been asked

9:33

a lot of questions on like

9:35

the political climate and her answers

9:37

are always just phenomenal. Really, really,

9:39

really expertly crafted stuff. You go

9:41

first this week. What have you

9:44

brought to this? Our year's most

9:46

important episode. Oh God. How dare

9:48

you. How dare you do that

9:50

to me? No. I wanted to

9:52

talk about Teddy Ruxman. Yeah. Yeah.

9:54

Here's the thing. All right. So

9:57

Teddy Ruxman came out before you

9:59

were born. Yeah. So I am

10:01

curious in the McElroy House. Do

10:03

you remember there always being a

10:05

Teddy Ruxman in or did you

10:07

have one? Yeah, we had one

10:10

and it always, its eyes wouldn't

10:12

close and... Something happened, he got

10:14

dropped a couple of times or

10:16

something where like the tape would

10:18

play at like maybe three quarters

10:20

speed. I'm so pretty active. Like

10:23

eyes staring at you in this

10:25

sort of like mask of death,

10:27

just like, people who are there

10:29

wanting to say care being fat.

10:31

Like, it was, so it was,

10:33

I didn't fuck with it too

10:36

much because it's. I was a

10:38

little afraid of Teddy Roxman. Now

10:40

I appreciate it conceptually in a

10:42

major way. It's just the one

10:44

we had was haunted. Yeah, I

10:46

also had one. It was very

10:49

much like a Christmas It toy

10:51

one year. Yeah, for sure. And

10:53

after learning more about it, I

10:55

realized like, like how impressive it

10:57

was that my parents tracked one

10:59

down and bought one for me.

11:02

But you know, as a kid,

11:04

I was like, oh, I wanted

11:06

it. Now I have it. Yeah,

11:08

for sure. It wasn't until I

11:10

was in like high school that

11:13

I started to appreciate like the

11:15

year they found the Nintendo 64.

11:17

I was like God. Damn Clinton

11:19

Leslie that is really spectacular yeah

11:21

yeah cannot believe you you threaded

11:23

that particular needle yeah I also

11:26

think Teddy Ruxman so far ahead

11:28

of it's half the toys that

11:30

get released now are just trying

11:32

to be Teddy Ruxman yeah are

11:34

just yeah versions of cyber Ruxman

11:36

yeah Okay, so Teddy Ruxman was

11:39

created by former Disney employee Ken

11:41

Forcey. Okay. And the more I

11:43

talk about this, the more it

11:45

will make a lot of sense.

11:47

So for much of the 60s

11:49

and 70s, Forcey worked on rides

11:52

like it's a small world in

11:54

jungle crews, designing the animatronic creatures

11:56

that would sing wave and interact.

11:58

I had no idea. Not only

12:00

that, he also sculpted the heads

12:02

of the animatronic bears at the

12:05

Country Bear Jamboree. Well, that... Okay,

12:07

there's a pretty direct-through line. Yeah,

12:09

exactly. Now I'm looking at Teddy

12:11

Ruck. like he is some bastard

12:13

child of the country bear jamboree.

12:15

I know, well here's the thing,

12:18

Teddy Ruxbin, not a bear. Man,

12:20

can we, can we not? It's

12:22

already so hard. And it's, like,

12:24

there's, everything is so confusing all

12:26

the time. Can this want, can

12:28

we just take a flyer on

12:31

this one? So I have to

12:33

tell you though, so, uh. In

12:35

Forcey's mind, he wasn't a bear,

12:37

he was an Iliop, a species

12:39

native to the fantasy world of

12:41

Grundo. So he's got a little

12:44

Tolkien there. Just, I need you

12:46

to say, first of all, you

12:48

got a little Tolkien in there?

12:50

What's that mean? Like he created

12:52

a whole world of like fantasy

12:55

creatures. Okay. To like, sorry. I

12:57

mean, can we... Can we pause

12:59

because there's like five things that

13:01

have happened in the last 10

13:03

seconds that I really want to

13:05

spend a little bit of time

13:08

on? One, I thought you were

13:10

saying that an iliot from the

13:12

world of Grundo was from Tolkien.

13:14

And I know that your knowledge

13:16

of that whole space and that

13:18

universe is limited purposefully and I

13:21

appreciate that. I have, I'm not

13:23

the type of person to like

13:25

really give a shit about your

13:27

media consumption or anything, but you

13:29

know that it's not. You know,

13:31

Grundo is not a token. Oh,

13:34

totally. Yes. Okay, cool. Yes. No,

13:36

I am saying that it's not

13:38

like, oh, he's not a bear.

13:40

He's a capibara. It's like, no,

13:42

he's a fantasy creature created by

13:44

Forcey in a fantasy world called

13:47

Grundo. Is there more Grundo content

13:49

out there? Yeah, I mean the

13:51

books the books that like there

13:53

were all sorts of like creatures

13:55

within Grundo that Teddy would interact

13:57

with The books would come with

14:00

tapes that you could put in

14:02

Teddy Ruxbin The books had all

14:04

these narrative stories that existed in

14:06

this world. Okay. So I must

14:08

have never really used my Teddy

14:10

Ruxbin Yeah, I don't think so.

14:13

Which is surprising because that at

14:15

the time that you were like

14:17

aware your family had probably had

14:19

that toy for a while, and

14:21

I can't imagine your brothers were

14:23

playing with it as it was

14:26

intended to be played with it.

14:28

God, no. I cannot imagine that

14:30

they did. So he would like

14:32

wrap on his own tracks and

14:34

tell stories about Grundo? Yeah, I

14:37

mean, you would get a tape,

14:39

and the tape would be associated

14:41

with these books, and you would

14:43

put the tape in, and you

14:45

would read along with him in

14:47

the book. That's cool. I just

14:50

assumed the tapes were like literary

14:52

literary classics. I didn't think about

14:54

it clearly, but that you would

14:56

just like pop in little women

14:58

or something. Quoth the raven, never

15:00

more. Yeah, except 75% speed. Staring

15:03

at you. So Forcey had two

15:05

parts to the Teddy prototype. One

15:07

was a piece controlling the face.

15:09

Yes. And with FM radio signals.

15:11

And wait, what? There's not like

15:13

wires? What? This is the prototype

15:16

I'm talking about right now. It

15:18

says as late as 1982, the

15:20

puppets force he constructed for Disney

15:22

had radio-controlled heads. As his early

15:24

Teddy prototype was similar, it had

15:26

two parts with one piece controlling

15:29

the face via FM radio signals.

15:31

Okay. We should point out to

15:33

our younger listeners who maybe aren't

15:35

familiar, Mr. Ruxbin. was an Iliad

15:37

from the planet Grundo and his

15:39

eyes blinked, right? Yeah, and his

15:42

mouth moved, and he would put

15:44

a tape in him and you

15:46

would hear the story. And the

15:48

way it was constructed, the mouth

15:50

would move as soon as like

15:52

sound was coming out of the

15:55

tape. Yeah. So you could put

15:57

in an ace of base, you

15:59

could put in a boys to

16:01

men, his mouth would move. Not

16:03

like exactly in. rhythm, it was

16:05

more the sound that was creating

16:08

the mechanism. A lot of people

16:10

listening, younger people probably think is

16:12

a five nice and Freddy situation.

16:14

I'm here to tell you it

16:16

was not, he had no sharp

16:18

teeth. It was just a soft

16:21

sort of padded surface in there.

16:23

He could not turn his neck

16:25

of memory serves and I'm so

16:27

glad for that. see one of

16:29

them turn the neck then you

16:32

need to get out of there

16:34

mister so it the thing about

16:36

it was there was like a

16:38

cassette player in there and it

16:40

felt basically like you had put

16:42

fake fur around a cassette player

16:45

because it was heavy yes hard

16:47

not particularly cuddly not cuddly at

16:49

all kind of thing that if

16:51

you dropped on your foot like

16:53

it would hurt it would hurt

16:55

it and he would break and

16:58

you'd hear him break So Fisher

17:00

Price passed and then he started

17:02

shopping a live-action series with HBO

17:04

that also was not picked up.

17:06

Worlds of Wonder got on board

17:08

and at the same time that

17:11

World of Wonder picked it up

17:13

for C also sold ABC on

17:15

two live-action Teddy specials that would

17:17

premiere in November and December of

17:19

1985 which is exactly when it

17:21

came out. I was trying to

17:24

remember what I knew World's wonder

17:26

from. They were I think the

17:28

original distributor of the Nintendo entertainment

17:30

system. Yes, there's a lot of

17:32

there's a lot of like crossover

17:34

in this because they talk about

17:37

like the bankruptcy. Yeah. And how

17:39

that impacted Teddy's future. Yeah, sure.

17:41

So this thing cost between $59

17:43

and $79, which now is like

17:45

$200. Mostly at inflation. Like if

17:47

I'm getting on, like yeah, so

17:50

that's an expensive Uliat, what was

17:52

it? Iliap. Iliap, doiop, yap, with

17:54

a p-t-t-t-ttttttttt-tttttttt-tttttttt-ttttttttt-tttttttt-ttttttt-ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt $13 each. The bear

17:56

was a huge hit pulled in

17:58

90. I'm so sorry baby, I

18:00

hate to do this. You did

18:03

just refer to him as a

18:05

bear. When like, it's actually important

18:07

that. Teddy, a Teddy. You can

18:09

say Teddy. Sure, you can call

18:11

him by his name. If you'd

18:14

like. The Teddy Ruxman version of

18:16

Call Me By Your Name is

18:18

abridged. It is abridged. It's

18:20

extremely abridged, but it gets the

18:22

job. You get sort of the,

18:25

you could take a quiz about

18:27

the movie. I thought you were

18:29

talking about a film that starred

18:31

Teddy Ruxbin in the lead. Yes,

18:33

it's Teddy Ruxbin, it's Timothy Chalamay.

18:36

But you're saying the story is

18:38

told through the mouth of Teddy.

18:40

Yes, exactly. Okay, so. It's about

18:42

a boy's wonderful summer vacation. That's

18:44

how he sets it up. Yes,

18:46

so Teddy resulted in $93 million

18:49

in sales in the first year,

18:51

which is like unprecedented. Adjustive for

18:53

inflation now, that's about $250 million.

18:55

There were some bears that were

18:57

returned and claimed to be defective,

19:00

although World's of Wonder maintained that

19:02

it was operator error. They returned

19:04

to them and they're like, these

19:06

bears are defective. Were the people

19:08

at the shops like, it's an

19:11

Iliop. You fucking dummy? Of course

19:13

you think it's defective. Well, the

19:15

manual apparently urged users not to

19:17

poke Teddy with scissors or other

19:19

sharp objects, nor was he to

19:22

be submerged in a bath. But,

19:24

uh, Teddy... Sorry, are we... Are

19:26

people doing that with stuffed animals

19:28

that don't have cassettes in them?

19:30

Good question. I don't know. I

19:32

never knew anybody that took their

19:35

stuffies in the in the bath

19:37

with them. No. You would definitely

19:39

do that with like a plastic

19:41

figure, but I don't know. Anyway,

19:43

the worlds of wonder inform the

19:46

media that the defective ruxbons would

19:48

be sent to quote, Grundo Hospital.

19:50

That's such a good euphemism that

19:52

I want to adopt. So many

19:54

things. It reminds me a lot

19:57

of like the cabbage patch lore.

19:59

Yes. Like this 1980s time of

20:01

like putting a lot of background

20:03

into a toy and then ultimately

20:05

making a television show after. Yeah.

20:07

Like it follows a very specific

20:10

formula. Yeah. So there were 65

20:12

episodes of the Adventures of Teddy

20:14

Ruxman. Wow. Who made that one?

20:16

Was that a deek? Was that

20:18

a deek joint? So I will

20:21

say that just before the 1987

20:23

holiday season, World's of Wonder filed

20:25

for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. And by

20:27

1989, Teddy was discontinued. Off to

20:29

that great Grundo hospital in the

20:32

sky. Fast forward to 2017. Do

20:34

you know they brought out another

20:36

Teddy? I did know. I do

20:38

remember that. He had LCD screens

20:40

for eyes. Nope. And what's funny,

20:42

I pulled it up on Amazon

20:45

because you can purchase one for

20:47

$250. But when Teddy was not

20:49

active, the screens would just go

20:51

black. Yeah. It's the same thing.

20:53

They make the little Lego Mario

20:56

sets, right? And they're really cool

20:58

because you can make them jump

21:00

around and run on courses and

21:02

there's all these interactive. But their

21:04

eyes and mouths are LCD. And

21:07

so when you turn it off,

21:09

he says, so long. and then

21:11

two seconds pass and then just...

21:13

Just his soul leaves his body.

21:15

They sold him with a little

21:17

sleep mask so that kids could

21:20

like cover up eyes. Your product

21:22

is so fucked up if you

21:24

have to sell... a little thing

21:26

that hides how scary it is

21:28

by default. I saw them interviewing

21:31

this woman who was like behind

21:33

the design of the 2017 model

21:35

and in the interview she was

21:37

saying, listen, like kids don't get

21:39

scared when the TV goes black

21:42

or when their iPad goes black.

21:44

Like why would black eyes on

21:46

a bear scare them or an

21:48

I'm sorry that I'm getting I

21:50

mean, if we could edit that

21:52

out. Rachel, if you don't mind

21:55

editing out all the time, so

21:57

Rachel's up there. Yeah, so that's,

21:59

so that's, that's Teddy Ruxbin. Again,

22:01

if you are interested in perching

22:03

the new, the new version, again,

22:06

as of 2017, you can still

22:08

find him online. I mean. I

22:10

don't, it's supposed to be more

22:12

cuddly. You can like touch the

22:14

hand to like choose from a

22:17

library. It pairs with your iPad.

22:19

And so there's like Bluetooth technology.

22:21

I don't need that. And then

22:23

you can play and pause by

22:25

touching the other hand. Is there

22:27

new, I guess I just want

22:30

to know if there's new sort

22:32

of chapters in the Grundo kind

22:34

of saga? I mean, I don't

22:36

know. Do you want to learn

22:38

a little bit about Grundo? Like,

22:41

because I could give you some

22:43

lore real quick. Yeah, if you

22:45

don't mind busting me out a

22:47

little Grundo primer. Okay, the land

22:49

of Grundo is the country where

22:52

the adventures of Teddy Ruxman takes

22:54

place. On earth? Uh, bordered to

22:56

the north by a range of

22:58

rugged mountains, known as the treacherous

23:00

mountains, that separate the country from

23:02

neighboring Ying. Ying? Okay. Yeah, again,

23:05

part of the Teddy universe. To

23:07

the south lies an unknown mountain

23:09

range and to the southwest lies

23:11

the great desert. Eastward lies an

23:13

ocean bordered by Ben's Beach. Ben's,

23:16

the beach of Ben? B-E-N-apostrophias. Cool.

23:18

And then to the far south

23:20

is the land of Rillonia. Okay,

23:22

but they haven't explored. Sort of

23:24

beyond the to them the world

23:27

ends at the desert and the

23:29

treacherous mountains and it sounds like

23:31

they haven't even been to ying

23:33

Maybe they kick it on Ben's

23:35

beach sometimes Do you think xenophobia

23:37

is an issue in Grundo? I

23:40

don't know that Teddy's going to

23:42

sort of volunteer that information for

23:44

free, but maybe there's some dark

23:46

tapes we can get our hands.

23:48

Yeah, I mean, man, I really

23:51

just want to read this whole

23:53

thing to you, but I recognize

23:55

that's maybe not the best use

23:57

of our time. Yeah. Um, but,

23:59

um, I mean, save it. We

24:02

can definitely talk more about Grundo.

24:04

Yeah. You know, maybe it's a

24:06

stretch goal later in the drive.

24:08

leadership are the Illipurs and Perloons

24:10

that inhabit the land nearest to

24:12

King Nogbert's castle. Okay, but what's

24:15

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They're like, not those ones. But yeah,

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I have been playing a game, a

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version of it. It's a Korean. life

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sin game called Enzoi and it's just

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the Sims like it's just literally the

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Sims but kind of fancier and newer

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there has not been a new full

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Sims like game in the like mainline

31:33

series on my computer on my personal

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computer yeah I can't imagine playing it

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like on a switch no it doesn't

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have controller support so that that would

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be hard but it is kind of

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seizing a bit of an opportunity because

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the last mainline Sims game came out

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in 24 Wowzers which is a long

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time ago why why people love the

31:52

Sims well because they've I'll get into

31:55

that but it's also because they've at

31:57

least about 30 expansions for it. Yeah,

31:59

that's true. It has become something of

32:01

a, what's called the games as service

32:03

model. Anyway, I've been playing Enzoi and

32:05

it really, it is, I don't know,

32:08

it's fine. I haven't spent a ton

32:10

of time with it, but it has,

32:12

like it instantly, I don't know, scratched

32:14

these deep dopamine centers in my mind

32:16

that. I have been scratching to some

32:19

extent or another since the year 2000.

32:21

And so I decided I wanted to

32:23

talk about the Sims. If you have

32:25

not played the Sims, that's weird. And

32:27

it's not weird like that anybody hasn't

32:30

played the Sims, but specifically I feel

32:32

like if you listen to this, I

32:34

feel like if I did a straw

32:36

poll of like the Facebook group, it

32:38

would be batting about a thousand. Yeah,

32:40

I mean, granted, I haven't played the

32:43

Sims since I was like a teen.

32:45

And when I say teen, I mean,

32:47

maybe like 14 or 15 tops. Early

32:49

teen. But I definitely put some hours

32:51

in for sure. Yes. So the Sims,

32:54

if you're not familiar, it's a long-running

32:56

series of life sim games developed by

32:58

a studio called Maxis and created by

33:00

a designer named Will Wright. It is

33:02

difficult to say that man's name normally

33:05

because he also made Spore. which Justin

33:07

and I did a long monster factory

33:09

series on where we invented a British

33:11

accent for Will Wright even though he's

33:13

from Atlanta But he made that he

33:15

also made Sim City and if it

33:18

has Sim in the title like he

33:20

was probably involved His first game that

33:22

he designed was for the Commodore 64

33:24

was called raid on Bundling Bay And

33:26

it was just this sort of like

33:29

unspectacular 2D shoot him up where you're

33:31

in this helicopter flying around doing like

33:33

bombing missions on these you know simple

33:35

super pixelatives like 1986 or something like

33:37

that like very simple maps. And what

33:40

he realized after making that is a

33:42

he liked making the cities more than

33:44

he liked making the game where you

33:46

flew around in a helicopter and blew

33:48

stuff up like he just enjoyed making

33:50

the different. apps, which inspired him to

33:53

create his first sort of big breakout

33:55

game, which is SimCity, which launched on

33:57

Mac and like IBM PC and Commodore

33:59

64 in 1989, which is a lot

34:01

longer ago than I assumed SimCity got

34:04

started. I think I was first introduced

34:06

to it. It was a huge success

34:08

and it got ported to all these

34:10

different platforms. There was a Super Nintendo

34:12

version of SimCity. That was where I

34:15

really played them. fucking rules and I

34:17

could probably talk about it at length

34:19

too but to try and stay focused

34:21

in 1991 SimCity was big and other

34:23

Sim games had sort of spun off

34:25

of it in 91 after releasing Sim

34:28

and which I don't know if you

34:30

put did you ever know I remember

34:32

we had that one in our like

34:34

talented and gifted computer lab classes because

34:36

it was just a simulation of like

34:39

your you have this ant hill and

34:41

you have to attack all the the

34:43

fire ants and you have to manage

34:45

it and make sure you're bringing home

34:47

enough you know nutrients for the queen

34:50

and stuff. Anyway he started workshoping the

34:52

idea after Sim Ant for the Sims

34:54

inspired by a few things. The first

34:56

was little computer people. Oh I've talked

34:58

about that. Which you talked about on

35:00

this very program. Yes. And nobody knows

35:03

about little computer people. Will Wright knows

35:05

about little computer people. You mentioned that.

35:07

When you did the segment on little

35:09

computer people, you're like the creator of

35:11

the Sims credit it for like inspiring.

35:14

The Sims, but that the Sims didn't

35:16

come out until like almost 15 years

35:18

after little computer people came out. And

35:20

you were like, what took him so

35:22

long? I forget what joking answer we

35:25

came up with. But the real answer

35:27

is that like he pitched the idea

35:29

to the Board of Directors of Maxis.

35:31

And they're like, this stinksks. No way.

35:33

And so the only way that he

35:35

was allowed to kind of like continue

35:38

prototyping the Sims was he was allowed

35:40

a single programmer who he kind of

35:42

siloed off of the rest of Maxis

35:44

to like so just the two of

35:46

them were cranking away on the same.

35:49

while they developed other SimCity games for

35:51

like nine years for a long long

35:53

time. I just pictured these like clandestine

35:55

meetings that they would have like at

35:57

like lunch they would like squirrel away

36:00

and be like have you built have

36:02

you built Jefferson yet? I mean yeah

36:04

I mean it sounds very much like

36:06

a passion project. We decided on long

36:08

pants didn't we? All right I'm just

36:10

making sure. I mean it wasn't I

36:13

imagined quite that granular. It is hard

36:15

to kind of like stress how groundbreaking

36:17

it was on like a few levels

36:19

right like the ability to design architecture,

36:21

right, is like kind of is kind

36:24

of wild. And that was also he

36:26

credits one of the other major inspirations

36:28

for the Sims was that his Will

36:30

Rights home was destroyed in the Oakland

36:32

firestorm of 1991. And so as he

36:35

kind of like rebuilt his life from

36:37

the ground up, it was kind of

36:39

like inspiring to him to like, what

36:41

is that process like inside of a

36:43

video game? The other big thing is

36:46

like interactions between all of the different

36:48

Sims, right? You had yours that you

36:50

would make and you could make like

36:52

a whole family of Sims, but then

36:54

you had neighbors who would like walk

36:56

up and you could either, I think

36:59

maybe in later games they added this,

37:01

I don't know if it was there

37:03

from the original Sims, but they would

37:05

like interact on their own and they

37:07

would follow their own kind of like

37:10

paths depending on like where their means

37:12

were. And that is such a complex.

37:14

multi-faceted sort of like artificial intelligence simulation

37:16

that term means something way different now

37:18

than it did like back in old

37:21

video game days back then it was

37:23

like how does the computer know what

37:25

to do which I guess is kind

37:27

of what it means anyway I don't

37:29

want to get lost there it was

37:31

so ahead of its time it was

37:34

so so so so wild to have

37:36

a simulation that operated with all of

37:38

these different nodes moving around each other

37:40

all having their like complex sort of

37:42

pathways that they were navigating. Yeah, because

37:45

a little computer people was just one

37:47

guy, the house was already built for

37:49

you, he had a set number of

37:51

actions, he never interacted with anybody else,

37:53

and he had like a cat. Yeah,

37:56

no. And you just go up and

37:58

down the stairs and do different things

38:00

in this house that was already like,

38:02

you know, you couldn't customize it in

38:04

any way. And ostensibly in the Sims,

38:06

there could be a fight happening between

38:09

a married couple in a house down

38:11

the street that you were not witnessed

38:13

to, but next time you go visit.

38:15

Yeah, there's a weird vibe. There's a

38:17

weird vibe. Their little their little diamond

38:20

has changed that that it is a

38:22

staggering level of computation. to even consider

38:24

now, let alone back in the mid-90s.

38:26

And so I think one of the

38:28

reasons, it was so kind of like

38:31

mind-blowing when it came out, is because

38:33

for nine years, Will Wright and this

38:35

other programmer who then went on to

38:37

become the lead programmer of the whole

38:39

Sims series, we're just kind of like

38:41

figuring out these pretty major things for

38:44

the course of a decade without really

38:46

showing it off. And then all of

38:48

a sudden, we're like, okay, well, here's

38:50

10 years worth of work, credits a

38:52

lot of different like studies and books,

38:55

psychological and sociological studies that sort of

38:57

form the foundation of that sort of

38:59

interaction system. Unsurprisingly, Maslow's A Theory of

39:01

Human Motivation, which has the whole hierarchy

39:03

of needs, is in there which is

39:06

represented by the eight, oh God I

39:08

forget what they're called, like needs, I

39:10

think is what they were called, like

39:12

your social stat, your hygiene stat, hunger,

39:14

hunger, fun, all of those. And, you

39:16

know, there's a list of sort of

39:19

cited works for like how he and

39:21

this other program are kind of like

39:23

designed the core foundation of how things

39:25

would interact in this game. It's really,

39:27

really impressive, really ahead of its time

39:30

stuff. It's been 25 years since the

39:32

game's release. The mainline series has had

39:34

four games, right Sims one through four,

39:36

and between the. they have had 55

39:38

different expansion packs, 29 of which are

39:41

just from the Sims 4, which came

39:43

out. 11 years ago. Yeah, can we

39:45

talk a little bit about so like

39:47

what additional features did you get through

39:49

the expansion packs? So I mean, okay,

39:51

past Sims game, I think there were

39:54

like seven expansions for Sims 1, 8

39:56

for Sims 2, and then three, it's

39:58

just like new stuff that you could

40:00

like put in your zone. So yeah,

40:02

so there's different terminology for like the

40:05

different scope of the different packs. Some

40:07

of them were just stuff packs. Yeah.

40:09

And a lot of those would be

40:11

themed to like outer space, like outer

40:13

space space or like really really specific

40:16

genre E wild theme. I always remember

40:18

seeing like a Sims party pack or

40:20

something. Dude if you walked into Babages

40:22

or eBay games or just a row

40:24

of yeah you would see you know

40:26

back when they sold PC games and

40:29

boxes you would see literally there would

40:31

just be a shelf that was all

40:33

Sims like party life space time like

40:35

dinosaurs what? Sims 4 has gotten quite

40:37

a bit more granular where it's like

40:40

college life and you know, there's magic

40:42

in this one and this one's like

40:44

apartment living. So they've gotten, but it

40:46

is free to play now, right? Sims

40:48

4 is free to play. You can

40:51

download it and play it for free.

40:53

And then if you want this extra

40:55

stuff, there's like ways of thing for

40:57

that. Which is why I refer to

40:59

it as sort of a games of

41:01

service thing. That said, it has been

41:04

11 years. since Sims 4 came out.

41:06

Maxis, which did shudder. I don't remember

41:08

exactly when. I think it was after

41:10

they rebooted SimCity back in like 20.

41:12

16 I want to say. They like

41:15

did a, here's a new Sim City

41:17

and it really didn't go very well

41:19

and Maxis kind of went under a

41:21

little bit after that, but then was

41:23

revived and reformed fairly recently in the

41:26

last few years by Electronic Arts who

41:28

publishes all of the Maxis games. Anyway,

41:30

they're working on a new one. It's

41:32

called Project Renee. We know nothing about

41:34

it. I place even money on it

41:37

being called the Sims 5, but who

41:39

knows? Maybe this Korean competitor will light

41:41

a fire under their asses a little

41:43

bit. I shouldn't say that. Developing games

41:45

is fucking really hard. You all take

41:47

all the time you need. But they

41:50

announced they were working on it back

41:52

in 2022 and we still don't know

41:54

a whole lot about it. So, you

41:56

know, hopefully more Sims is. I'll come

41:58

in down the pipe soon. If not,

42:01

I guess we have Enzoi too. Game

42:03

was busy till that. But yeah, that's

42:05

the Sims. It's a game series that

42:07

I certainly used to play a lot.

42:09

I played the Sims for a whole

42:12

lot. I played the Sims online. I

42:14

played the Sims online. I played the

42:16

Sims online. Are you interacting with like...

42:18

Other people? You just have the one

42:20

Sim, and then you can like build

42:22

a... business or whatever and people can

42:25

come to your cafe or like casinos

42:27

were really big and it was really

42:29

weird it was basically like a chat

42:31

room but with woo-hoo was everybody just

42:33

trying to like pork all the time

42:36

yeah sometimes yeah sometimes for sure it

42:38

got weird in those rooms y'all I

42:40

was looking because I know John Hodgman

42:42

plays like as part of the Max

42:44

fun drive he typically plays either the

42:47

Sims or SimCity as like part of

42:49

his like streaming. So I would encourage

42:51

you if you are interested to watch

42:53

John Hodgman play some kind of Sims

42:55

related product. I'm pretty sure he does

42:57

that for the drive. Yes, I think

43:00

that's I think you were right. Right.

43:02

I was trying to just look for

43:04

it because I know that he has

43:06

talked about. We are recording this before

43:08

the drive starts. So that information may

43:11

not be quite out there yet. Yeah.

43:13

Do you want to know what our

43:15

friends at home are talking about? Yes.

43:17

Okay, Kelly says the small wonder I

43:19

would like to share this morning is

43:22

the first stretch of the day when

43:24

you wake up in the morning. It

43:26

just feels so good. Oh, that is

43:28

a good one. God, I love the

43:30

first, sometimes I'll, it'll be like 11

43:32

a.m. And I'll be like, damn, I

43:35

haven't done, I haven't stretched yet. But

43:37

it still hits. Like it still hits.

43:39

Sometimes it's like 3.30 p.m. And I'm

43:41

like, I should stretch. That still hits.

43:43

Maya says I love biking around aimlessly

43:46

and getting a bit lost and finding

43:48

new biking paths in my town. A

43:50

bike is so fast compared to walking

43:52

that you really don't lose much time

43:54

taking detours and it's fun looking at

43:57

a map when you get home to

43:59

try and figure out to try and

44:01

figure out where the hell you were

44:03

30 minutes That sounds fun and like

44:05

an exploratory free-wheeling kind of way Before

44:07

I got a little clip for my

44:10

bike that I could put my Phone

44:12

and my map in I would get

44:14

three blocks away from my house and

44:16

be like oh no I got here

44:18

and gone and lost really fast. Yeah,

44:21

I have no idea what to do

44:23

about it if I wait until it's

44:25

dark the North Star will be out

44:27

and then I can start making some

44:29

steps in the right direction Yeah, one

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Yeah, I mean a lot of the

44:58

questions we ask are like very basic

45:00

like, hey what happens when they skate

45:02

over the line at the wrong time?

45:04

I asked him at one point like

45:07

do you get scared out, do you

45:09

get scared out? And the response he

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gave was was a little judgmental I

45:13

would say. Yeah, he said something like,

45:15

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46:08

a bunch of stuff this week. I

46:10

mean, it's Wednesday when we're hearing this.

46:12

So some of it's already happened. I

46:14

played Fusor on Monday. Hopefully that went

46:17

well. We haven't done it yet because

46:19

it's Friday of the week before right

46:21

now. But we're going to be streaming

46:23

basically every day. And that's on the

46:25

Macroy YouTube channel. This week and next

46:28

week. Got a bunch of really fun

46:30

stuff. A great new video premiere that

46:32

Rachel has watched of us going on.

46:34

own adventure. The Macroy Brothers on our

46:36

own adventure that is very fun. But

46:38

we're at new stuff every day. We're

46:41

going to be doing a whole bunch

46:43

of stuff to try and encourage people

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to help us reach our goals. Yeah.

46:47

And I would keep an eye on

46:49

different stretch goals because the content starts

46:52

to get real wild. Yes. That is

46:54

true. We will be announcing those stretch

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goals as we get. That is true.

46:58

We will be announcing those streaming and

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real estate. Do you know what I

47:22

mean? That's it. That's it. That's all

47:24

we got for you. So until next

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week. I've been Griffin McElroy. And I've

47:29

been Rachel. McRoy. But now, oh no,

47:31

who is he? I'm Rachel McElroy. I

47:33

who is to be Griffin.

47:35

Is that okay? Why? Is to

47:38

be Griffin, is

47:40

that okay? It's not good.

47:42

not good then you're going to

47:44

not good. Because

47:46

then you're going to

47:48

make me do

47:51

my Griffin impression and

47:53

it's just not. So

47:55

So you're saying

47:57

you don't want to

47:59

be me me to

48:02

be me me you

48:04

have to do an

48:06

impression of me

48:08

that would be so

48:10

insulting. be so I

48:13

didn't say say it's I'm

48:15

just not an

48:17

impressionist. You know what?

48:19

an I'm pulling back

48:21

the You know what? I'm pulling

48:23

you're not even

48:26

me mask. Oh no, man,

48:28

I can never get

48:30

it to fit

48:32

back on Oh man, I can

48:34

I can get it to

48:37

fit back on. Right. I can never...

48:39

Sugar sugar. forget there's sugar. You

48:41

put it at you're really

48:43

good at impressions.

48:45

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