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Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production

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of I Heart Radio Welcome

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Everything, so don't oh

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heck and wow. We welcome to the

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Worst Year Ever with me whose

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name is Cody Johnston and me

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whose name is Katie Stall and me

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whose name is Cody Johnson, damnit rock.

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So first this for hours? What's

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the who? Under pressure? You

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can't even who you? Who?

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Who? He? I am? Robert

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Evans, My my name tag is

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telling me there. Yeah,

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It's a good thing you hang onto those name tags and lanyards,

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otherwise I'd never know who I was or

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who you pretend to be. It's

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like I always say, lanyards are the only

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things that separate us from the animals because

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it's similar to a leash. But anyway,

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should be happy for that. Um, do you want to do a

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quick update on I would love that what

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we talked about in previous episodes. We

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we Jake Tapper

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Robert quite lot to say about

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our buddy Jay Tapped and

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he's just he's recently been doing

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this charity thing with Scott

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Adams and now

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Scott Adams the Dilbert guy. Yes,

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Dilbert's dad father,

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Dogbert's father, Kappert's father,

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Bird Bird is there a bird Bert? Well

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there should be, there should be. Um. But so

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yeah, so Jake's doing this thing with Scott

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Adams of all people, like a collaboration.

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Yeah. For a week, Jake is writing

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and drawing Dilbert. This is a comic

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strip. Have you seen

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any of them? Um? I saw one. It

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was It wasn't bad in terms

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of like the art he could he drew,

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He drew them. It didn't look like

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Scott Adams drew the Dilbert characters, but it

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looked like I was like, oh, that's someone trying to draw

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Dilbert. There's not a high bar to

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drawing Dilbert characters, which, in

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fairness to Scott Adams, he would be the first

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to admit, Um,

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it was easy to make the Dilbert shaped pool that

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he has in his home. Um, that's

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not made up. Uh. This

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is such a like a strange tangent

2:28

for him. It's very weird cool because like Scott

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Adams is like pretty grifty

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and like pretty I want to read

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I want to read a paragraph about Scott Adams

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from Rational Wicky real quickly, just to set

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you guys up for what what kind of man Scott

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Adams is in two thousand and eleven,

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Adams admitted that he had used a sock puppet account

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called Planned Chaos to defend himself. In

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a MetaFilter discussion criticizing a piece

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he wrote for The Wall Street Journal as Planned

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Chaos, Adams wrote, he Adams has

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a certified genius i Q and that's

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hard to hide, he asked. He

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asked attractors, is it Adams is enormous

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success at self promotion that makes you jealous

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and angry? On his blog, Adams defended

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this act of self aggrandizement, stating conflict

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of interest is like a prison that locks in both truth

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and the lies. One work around for that problem

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is to change the messenger. That's where an

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alias comes in handy. When you remove the

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appearance of conflict of interest, it allows

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others to listen to the evidence without judging. You

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know, that's the kind of logic that only a high,

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highly intellectual human can put

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out. So I also

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want to note that literally three hours

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after the Garlic Gilroy Garlic Festival

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mash shooting, Scott Adams put up an

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ad for his cryptocurrency based

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app called win Hub, which was like based

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on basically was telling people like Hey, if

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you witnessed the attack, don't just give

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up your your like just don't don't

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talk about your experiences to the news for free, sign

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up on this app and sell your

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experiences witnessing a mash shooting.

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Yeah, um yeah, is there enough to do

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it behind the bastards on him? Probably

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at there definitely is. Yeah.

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I hate to admit it, but when I was a kid, I was

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a huge Scott Adams, Like I

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read his books and stuff on business.

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Um, you're a interesting

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kid. Yeah,

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I've got a shift to where like the

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beginning of Dilbert, the hero was Dilbert

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yeah, and slowly shifted to

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the boss being the hero and

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like all the employees are the bad guys

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really weird a little bit. So

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I've been aware of the trajectory. One

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of the first things I ever read from him, and one of his

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like early books, was his theory that like, one

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of the most important things to understand. This is

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something I actually still hold to. One of his one of

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the most important things to like grasp

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to be in a like a decent

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person is that everybody is

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incompetent in the vast majority

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of things that they encounter. Like people are

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dumb. Even the most intelligent and like

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trained people are dumb the majority of their day

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and the majority of problems they encounter. And

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I think that's like a good thing to keep in mind.

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He just completely lost that at

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some point and became like

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a hard right trenched de grifter.

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It's a weird evolution, Like

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real wealth is bad for people. Yeah,

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you shouldn't. You shouldn't give people hundreds

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of millions of dollars. It's bad for them. What

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a time to be alive?

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Good for Jake Um who was

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pointed out like,

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well, you know, do you know Scott m Does you

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like the kind of stuff he does? Like that's kind of messed up you're

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doing this Jake, And he was like, what's for charity?

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Okay, okay, not the point taps

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Yeah, um, As many people pointed

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out, Um, I can't imagine you would have the same

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reaction if someone did a charity with Louis Paragon

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or any of the other people that he criticize. But anyway,

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up about Jake than that, what

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are we talking about today? Who we're talking about?

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Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.

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Hell yeah, Joe Biden's Joe

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Biden I'm Joe. Wonderful

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things to say about Uncle Joe.

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Well, the one

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thing we know about him is that he's like a cool, chill

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guy, Like if you read onion articles for

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eight years, it's just a cool dude. I know

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he gives good massages. I for

6:15

one, admire the way that his eye

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randomly fills with blood. Yeah,

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I like to see that from a presidential candidate.

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I love his teeth. Yeah, the greatest

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hits were already there, all

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reasons to vote for him. Yeah,

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and uh, if he has voted for well,

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we'll see how it goes. Um. We

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we're gonna talk about We're gonna talk about this um,

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this person, and not necessarily

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like his policies, you know, but

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more who he is, what he said, what he's

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done, and how that will inform how goes.

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Like why is it going to be the

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worst year ever if Joe sticks around?

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I mean, let's be fair, it's going to be the worst

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year ever no matter who wins exactly name

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and this isn't a competition. We're not saying like this

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is the worst version of the

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definitely worst year, but it might

7:07

be, but it might be. Um. Joseph

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Robinett Biden Jr. I was

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born. Yeah,

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what kind of name is that? It's

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a fine name. Don't name name. It's

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not a great name. It's not great. Two

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thirds of the name are acceptable. Robin

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isn't it Robinett inherently the female Robin

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Like, if you're going by it doesn't matter. I'm not

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trying to shame his name. It's fine, it's fine. It's

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just got we got so much.

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I feel like maybe maybe is

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a little worse than his middle name. Okay, yeah,

7:39

let's not pile on too soon. Okay, okay, okay,

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Wait what is it? What is the meaning of Robinette?

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The meaning of Robinett? It's

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same bright? What same

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bright? I

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mean he's famous, Yeah,

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he's he was he was for

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Roberts. Sorry, Robert, Robin

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at Evans,

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Robin Evans. I don't

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like that, Robin

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I am. I am not okay with

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this anyway. I don't have to tell you other

8:21

than it's

8:23

happening. I'll tell you what's happening

8:25

is I'm going to have to bring a podcasting machete

8:27

on the road in case people call me that when we're

8:29

doing a live show. All right, I'm going to

8:31

be the mediator here, I withdraw

8:34

my claim. All

8:37

right, you should get through a sentence

8:39

of what he's prepared. Rober

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Jr. His last name is Biden. He's

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born in scrant Pennsylvania. And already

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I'm expecting, like the cast of the

8:51

Office to do like a campaign

8:53

video for him in like October, and

8:57

I'm dreading it and honestly,

8:59

yeah, nobody wants to see that, but

9:01

it's gonna happen. Right. If

9:03

you took Joe Biden and put him on the

9:05

Office, he would fit right in. Feel

9:08

like like that is

9:10

the show for Joe Biden. Yeah, I mean he

9:12

was on Parks and Rack so as

9:15

himself. Um, anyway,

9:17

he was born and then he had a life the

9:20

end. Um. No. So there's there's a lot

9:22

to say about Biden, his record, his time as a senator and

9:24

vice president, a lot of tragedy, and

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his personal life. Um, but we can't

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go through every single event or

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every one of his votes, you know, Like we could talk

9:32

about his vote for the Iraq war and his current

9:35

claim that he regrets the vote, but as soon as

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the war started in early two thousand three, he was against

9:39

it, despite not speaking out against it

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until November two thous five when he said

9:43

his vote was a stake. But we're not going to talk about that. We

9:46

could, No, we're not, but we're not.

9:48

We're not going to talk about all that. Um.

9:50

So we gonna go through like certain moments, certain aspects of Joe

9:52

Biden that illustrate how intensely will

9:55

be the worst year ever, no matter what. Yes,

9:58

and so yeah, this isn't to say his nomination would make

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it the worst year, but it's going to be a miseruleislog

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um. So, Joe Biden is a fighter and the first

10:05

and foremost Um. He gets knocked down, he gets

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up again. Uh. Some might call him

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stubborn, but the stick tuitiveness seems

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to stem from his parents and his

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experience with bullying growing up. He's bullied a

10:15

lot um. His dad would tell

10:17

him, Champ, the measure of a man

10:20

is not how often he's knocked down, but how quickly

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he gets up. Now, Cody,

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correct me if I'm wrong, But is it true that Joe Biden's

10:27

parents were the punk band Chumbawamba

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was? God, I'm so glad you brought it back

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to that Chumba. And

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when you get knocked back down, you get back up again.

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Yeah, his parents Chumba and Wamba. Joe

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Biden is the inspiration for Chumbawamba. Okay,

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absolutely, Um, that's cannon. That's

10:44

why he always drinks a whiskey drink and

10:47

then a lagger drinks and then a cider drink.

10:49

He drinks a lot of drinks. He's the very thirsty

10:51

man. He thinks the songs that remind him of the good times

10:54

and the songs that remind him of the bad times. And then

10:57

because he's like kind of losing it, I

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still don't think where

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we repeat in spoken word version.

11:05

The entirety of Chumba Womba's discography

11:08

is that why it's going to be the worst. Okay,

11:13

okay, okay, okay, Okay, you're gonna have to

11:16

keep on track here. Um,

11:19

But we know now what his father told him. His

11:22

father Chumba Um and his

11:24

his mother Womba would

11:26

often say, UM,

11:28

bloody their nose so you can walk down

11:30

the street the next day. There's no record

11:32

of his mother telling him to bloody his own eyeball. But

11:35

you know, sometimes you have to improvise. UM.

11:37

And I bring this up because uh, I

11:39

think that Joe will never drop out of this race.

11:42

Um, and this sort of speaks

11:44

to that. Barack Obama literally told him, you don't

11:46

have to do this, Joe. Um, but he's

11:48

doing it because he thinks Trump is a bully

11:51

and he's the bully stopper that's gonna

11:53

stop him. Um. He's got that drive

11:55

and the sort of idea in his head and I don't think that's

11:57

gonna go away, despite him

11:59

also being really tired all the time, you

12:01

know, like right, Like he's got that stubbornness

12:03

and he's like, I know I'm gonna do it, but also he's sleepy,

12:05

Joe, he's tired all the time. Um. Recently,

12:08

he was told in an interview, you

12:10

know a lot of people want big change. They

12:12

want they're looking for big change. Um,

12:14

so why don't you make your case to them?

12:17

And his response was, it's up to them

12:19

to the side. And then

12:21

he was pushed, He's like, well, but make your case to

12:23

them, and his response was, it's up to

12:25

them to this side. He was asked

12:27

a third time to make his case and he said, for a

12:29

third time, it's up to them to decide. How

12:32

am I supposed to decide if you don't make your case? Yeah,

12:34

um. And there's another place where

12:36

he's talking about's like, hey, you know, if you like

12:38

what I'm saying, vote for me, uh

12:41

and work for it. And if you don't vote for the other guy,

12:44

Oh that's a hard pitch, a

12:46

real a real fighter we got in Joe.

12:48

It's just evidence that like, in

12:50

a better world, Joe Biden would

12:53

be a very acceptable Republican

12:55

politician. Oh yeah,

12:57

yeah, yeah, in a in a better world,

12:59

like everyone's attitude towards politics

13:01

would be that where it's like, well, okay, one

13:04

side or the other winds, but we all trust that nobody is

13:06

trying to destroy each other or like take

13:08

each other's rights away or like

13:10

put huge chunks of the country in prison. But

13:12

we just don't live in that world. And Joe Biden,

13:15

I don't think realizes that he's

13:20

um. And if if, honestly, if he ran as

13:22

a Republican, it would accomplish the thing he

13:24

wants to do, Like he wants to save the

13:26

country and save the nation and bring you know, bring

13:28

us back from the Trump is um and save the Republican

13:30

Party and all this stuff. And the answer to that

13:32

isn't to do like Obama

13:35

too, you know, because

13:38

the one didn't work

13:40

out for party

13:45

has stayed pretty consistent in

13:47

terms of like where their center is, while

13:50

the Republican Party has moved farther and farther

13:52

right over the years. And Biden

13:54

seems to think that, well, if we keep doing that, if we keep

13:57

the Democrats not

13:59

moving far left at all, then the

14:01

Republicans will come to their senses. Whereas

14:04

if he ran as a Republican, which he

14:06

could because a lot of his stuff aligns with

14:08

them, then that's

14:10

how you save the Republican Party. If you actually want to do

14:12

that, introduce I'm

14:15

a reasonable one. I think Donald Trump is bad and I'm going

14:18

to help you. Um. And then you can have

14:20

the Democrats turn a little left. But that's

14:22

not gonna happen anyway. It's just starting a little boy.

14:24

Um. But I also bring up bullying, um,

14:27

and how you know you gotta you gotta spit your

14:29

teeth at bullies. Because

14:32

Biden also struggled with a stutter when he's a child, Um,

14:35

they would call him dash. It's

14:38

kind of a cool name, but I think it's

14:40

because of the dashes. They would appear like if you

14:42

were to or write out a stutter,

14:44

you have dashes in between the first letter. That's

14:47

why I guess it's better than ellipses.

14:50

Yeah. Um, but they'd

14:52

also call him Joe impedimenta

14:55

because children are cruel and really

14:57

stupid like not. I

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mean, that's a really a fairly

15:01

big word for a child to wrap their head around.

15:03

It's a big word to know. But not like there's

15:05

nothing clever then these kids, these

15:08

kids, Sun do you guys should have worked up that a little

15:10

better? Good the

15:12

same page with these these stupid kids. Um.

15:15

He overcame the impediment by memorizing and here citing

15:17

along passages of poetry out loud in front of a mirror,

15:19

So I would say, right off the bat. Uh, kind

15:22

of a one up on the current president. Um.

15:26

The reason I bring this up is that he's

15:28

Um, he's kind of stuttering

15:30

a lot again these days. UM,

15:33

And I don't like the idea of just making

15:35

fun of a guy for a stutter, especially

15:37

when he struggled with growing up. But at the same

15:39

time, he has shown some

15:42

difficulties speaking quite a

15:44

bit regularly all the time.

15:47

Sometimes he looks frustrated, sometimes he looks confused.

15:49

Sometimes he pauses for what seems like an

15:51

eternity and then finally says NATO

15:55

because he's trying to think of Nato. Um.

15:58

And it just seems like with Yeah,

16:00

I feel like that has less to do with his stutter and

16:02

more to do with you know,

16:07

like cognitive decline. It seems

16:09

like, but I think they're I think they're intertwined. I

16:11

think it's sort of related. Um,

16:13

sort of heading towards the situation that

16:17

could be two men with

16:20

visibly declining cognitive abilities sort of struggling

16:22

to insult each other back and forth. And

16:25

that sounds not great, sounds awful, sounds

16:28

sounds you know, uh, it sounds unbearable.

16:31

Yeah, yeah, Um, it's sort of this sort

16:33

of confused, frustrated

16:36

nature in which he talks. And if

16:39

we're talking about the next year being

16:41

bad, I just can't get out

16:43

of my head. That's like, well, Donald Trump

16:45

is really bad at speaking and

16:48

uh a bully, And whenever

16:50

Joe Biden is challenged, he gets flustered

16:52

and can't get the words out and you can see him

16:55

sort of struggling to do it. And that doesn't

16:57

seem like it's going to go. This isn't

16:59

at this point, He's not the person I want on stage

17:02

debating Trump top even agrees

17:04

to debate. He's

17:06

never been like a great debater. He's

17:09

a moderately acceptable

17:11

legislator. Um. But he's not this kind

17:13

of guy who can like get up and a

17:17

good way to scare. He he's Barack Obama with that any

17:19

kind of like charisma, Yeah, absolutely,

17:21

yeah, yeah. Or you know,

17:24

I've seen people like when you're watching

17:26

him speak, you're worried that

17:28

he's not going to find his point. You're worried

17:30

that he's not going to stick the landing, and that is

17:32

not usually right. Yeah,

17:35

that's usually what happens is he doesn't Yeah,

17:37

he'll either yeah, say something that's not true

17:39

at all, or like something that's

17:42

a vague platitude that kind of has

17:44

something to do with what was being asked, or

17:46

just something out of left field, has nothing to do with what

17:49

was being asked. Um. And that's

17:51

not great because we already have that guy in

17:53

the office. Or if he gets cornered,

17:55

he feels he is immediately defensive. Yeah.

17:58

Anyway, it's he doesn't deal

18:00

with being challenged well, which

18:02

again we already have. Um.

18:05

So it's not great. Um and um,

18:08

we're acting to take a quick break for

18:10

some ads. When we come back, we're

18:12

going to talk about something. I think everyone's

18:14

been waiting for. Corn pop, corn

18:16

pop, corn pop, corn pops.

18:20

It's corn Pop. I

18:23

think we should state that this show

18:26

is partly sponsored by the concept

18:28

of breakfast. Okay, so

18:31

yeah, eat some corn pops

18:33

yourself while you listen to

18:36

Joe Biden's tail of corn Popget

18:45

everything. Well

18:49

that was that was delicious. Those ads

18:51

were delicious.

18:52

I hope

18:54

it was something delicious and nutritious that

18:56

we are pivoting back from. Um.

18:59

I just can't stop thinking corn pops, and I'm

19:01

very excited for this story you're about to

19:03

tell. This story is about cereal.

19:06

Yeah, yeah, favorite, Mr

19:08

Cornpop. I think we all have heard that

19:11

people want to assume. So

19:14

sort of what we were talking about earlier about his Joe

19:16

Biden's ability to speak on

19:19

topics. Uh, this sort of dovetails

19:21

nicely into that. Uh. Corn Pop

19:23

was a young African American man in a gang called

19:26

the Romans. Biden was working

19:28

at a pool during the summer, as he puts it, to

19:30

better understand the black community. Yeah

19:34

great. Uh,

19:36

he apparently insulted corn Pop,

19:39

who was like causing trouble impairing

19:41

him to a female swimmer. Right, he

19:44

was bouncing on the high from

19:46

the eighteen forties. Yeah, and the

19:49

joke is that women

19:51

swim. Yeah, yeah, it's hilarious.

19:53

Another the

19:55

topic is sort of dove tails into the problems with Joe

19:58

Biden. But yeah,

20:00

so he insulted Cornpop very loudly

20:02

and embarrassed him. Uh, and

20:05

corn Pop got mad um

20:07

as all members of gangs do, and

20:10

threatened to you know, they were gonna they were gonna

20:13

have a scuffle outside. Um so a

20:15

rumble. It was the seven it was the sixties,

20:17

right, it was. It's a rumbold yea. Yeah, like

20:19

you gotta watch out, You're going to get knife exactly.

20:22

And so Joe started snapping his fingers

20:25

and then he got a he got a chain for

20:27

the big battle for the turf and

20:30

uh, basically he apologized very

20:32

loudly to corn Pop, like, I'm sorry, I embarrassed

20:34

you. That was uncalled for, but like you can't

20:37

you can't, you can't do what you were doing. And

20:39

I'm gonna if you come at me, I'm gonna wrap this

20:41

chain around your head. Uh. And

20:43

they sort of they made up, uh, and then

20:46

he said they had his back the rest of the back,

20:48

the rest of the summer. Um. So

20:52

then the two rode off into the sunset um

20:54

and everyone loved this seemingly

20:57

obviously made up story that a politician would

20:59

say. You know, you're just like, okay, yeah,

21:01

they have to got this weird story that sort of relates to

21:03

what was being said, even though this didn't have anything to do with

21:06

what was being said at the time. Um but

21:09

plot twist, stop the credits. It's

21:11

true. Uh, corn Pop is a real person.

21:14

Uh, and he was in a real gang gangs

21:16

back then. We're just more like like groups of friends who like kind

21:18

of got in the fight sometimes. It was just like a hang out thing.

21:21

It wasn't. Yeah, um but

21:23

Corpop's real name was William L. Morris. He

21:25

died at the age of seventy three with family

21:27

by his side. He wasn't again called

21:30

the Romans. The former mayor

21:33

of Wilmington's Dennis Williams, confirmed

21:35

this story back in He

21:37

was actually told about the Cornpop incident

21:40

at the time, the day after it happened, so

21:42

he knew about it. This is a thing that happened. No

21:44

one can confirm the altercation

21:48

afterwards with the threats of the

21:50

chain around the head, because you know, like when you're in a fight

21:52

and you're like, when to wrap his chain around your head, you

21:54

go for the You go for the head, not like like

21:57

with a chain, you might go for the neck, like, but

21:59

not the head. No, no, But Biden knows how

22:01

to take on bullies. Um. So

22:04

I will say, if there's a single candidate

22:07

on the Democratic bench that I trust to know how to get

22:09

into a street fight, it's Joe Biden. About

22:12

yeah, I say, um m

22:15

hmmld

22:19

her own for sure. Just give that woman a stapler and

22:21

she will she'll take you down. God,

22:23

I would love to see like a just a no holds

22:26

barred m m a fight between Amy Klobuchar

22:28

and Joe Biden. That would really that

22:30

would really get I

22:32

think we can organize that. If we get that sweet sweet

22:35

corn pops money, I think we can make that

22:37

happen. Give her a straight racer,

22:39

gift Joe a bike chain. What happens,

22:43

this is happening you heard here first and

22:45

last, because it's not happening. Um, but jokes

22:48

on you, America, because corn pop is real. How

22:50

dare you question Joe Biden of all people.

22:53

But I thought the so the real issue I thought with the

22:55

corn pop thing wasn't necessarily they're like, oh, this

22:57

is like a fake story, but it was the

23:00

fact that the story was told. Yes,

23:03

yeah, Like aside

23:05

from the fact that it's it's it's like one of those rambling

23:07

stories you about, like putting an onion on your belt

23:09

you might hear from Grandpa Simpson um.

23:12

And so there's that element to it which I think

23:14

is gonna come up with Biden

23:16

a lot sort of rambles on like what does

23:19

this have to do with anything? Man? Why are you doing

23:21

this? And it's clearly like he's got these

23:23

stock things in his head that he comes

23:25

back to all the time, like politicians do. But I think

23:27

there's something with him where it's like, if I don't

23:30

know what I'm gonna say, I got to go back to my corn

23:32

pop story. I for me, part

23:34

of what it is is like

23:36

Biden thinks of himself as being a real friend

23:39

African Americans. He considers himself

23:42

like he knows what's up with the black community, and

23:44

well, can you

23:46

think of anything more woke than being

23:48

told vaguely by someone that a black

23:51

man you insulted, has a knife and

23:53

then immediately threatening them with a chain. You

23:56

know, when you hit it like that, I

23:58

can't think that is wokeness in a nudge shell.

24:00

That's Biden Widen. That's Biden's

24:03

woken is. It's just like that. That's

24:05

really what bugs me about this story.

24:08

Like it you just got these blinders

24:10

on as to what why what he's saying is

24:12

int appropriate, you know what I mean? And

24:15

like, in a way, it seems like they were friends

24:18

and like the community were you Like it

24:20

became a funny story, especially as he became

24:22

a politician. But that doesn't mean that

24:25

he understands the black community. It doesn't

24:27

mean that he's an advocate for them, you know what I

24:29

mean. It's just something that he can share that's

24:32

makes him seem foxie. Also, like two

24:34

things can be true. Joe Biden can in

24:37

that day and in his his early

24:39

time and office have been compared to the

24:41

rest of the people in a similar position in Congress,

24:44

better on some of those issues like

24:47

relating to the black community than other people,

24:49

particularly conservatives, And

24:52

Joe Biden can still be very much behind

24:54

on that ship and contributed to some really

24:56

deeply problematic and toxic policies

24:59

that negatively impact exactly, Like both

25:01

of those things can be true. The world's

25:03

complicated, but he specifically

25:06

seems incapable of receiving

25:08

that kind of criticism or acknowledging it. And

25:10

that is why it's danger

25:13

to me because a lot of people are like, well, I'm I'm actively

25:15

evolving, you know. We see a lot of kids that

25:17

have that, but not him. He doesn't seem

25:20

to grow a change, and he just thinks he's

25:22

great. Yeah and right, and like

25:24

even sort of pointing to these sort of things

25:26

that like, well if you said this forty

25:29

years ago, maybe right, Um,

25:32

but he just doesn't seem to quite get it.

25:34

It's really tone deaf. Also

25:36

told the story like surrounded by black children

25:39

talking about like oh yeah, these gangs, these gangs

25:41

back in a day. Um. Although

25:44

so it was like he has told this literally

25:47

the pool that it happened at it was

25:49

being renamed for for him, not

25:55

the corn pop community pool. Huh yeah,

25:58

um, missed opportunity, missed opper tunity

26:00

for sure. Um. But to sort of speak

26:02

to what you both were saying, this

26:04

is sort of it's not with

26:07

the times. He's just an old man. That sort

26:09

of stuck um, and he sort of has you know, he's

26:11

saying, you know, I did this in hopes of learning more about

26:13

the black community, and the lesson he wants

26:15

to relay involves a disrespectful gang

26:17

member who's going to cut him up until he

26:20

like talk to him and threatened

26:22

him and then things got better. And it's

26:24

like it's kind of like like dangerous minds,

26:26

you know. Yeah, and it illustrates his view

26:29

on this whole race issue,

26:32

um, which I think I think it's it just kind of seems

26:34

like he's saying, the lesson I learned about the black community

26:36

is that you can deal with any issue by threatening

26:39

them with the chain. Yeah,

26:41

like that's that's that was how it went

26:43

down. Um, even though he did apologize

26:46

in that moment too, but like it was

26:48

a moment of violence. Yeah.

26:50

Um. And this sort of I think it's illustrated

26:53

also, and other stuff he says, like more recently

26:55

he's on the debate stage beat up Donald

26:57

Trump or oh well that um,

27:00

I mean, but he does have that sort of violent

27:03

rhetoric of like I'm gonna I want to beat

27:06

him up, which is like, well, that's also what Trump says

27:08

it's not what we need anyway. Um. But reason

27:10

on the debate stage, he was asked about like how

27:13

America can address its history of slavery,

27:15

but like I see of slavery in America, and he sort

27:17

of again went on this long rant that

27:19

culminated him in him talking about how parents

27:22

need to like, you know, leave the record player

27:25

on for the kids, and now we have to get like social

27:27

workers involved in black communities to

27:29

teach them how to be good parents, not the

27:31

ants. And it's just like this

27:34

weird, tone deaf sort of suggestion.

27:37

And again it echoes when

27:40

he was running for president the second time, when

27:43

he lost and then became Barack Obama's running Maye.

27:45

That's important to note that he's lost. He's

27:47

lost. He's dropped out before um

27:49

as well, which we'll look at do. But he's

27:52

actually uniquely bad at running for president

27:55

Historically he has not been successful. Um,

27:57

though he has tried many times. Uh

28:00

so, maybe maybe you just stop

28:02

it, Joe. But in one of the earlier

28:04

debates, they were talking about the AIDS crisis,

28:06

and he spent a long time this is a really interesting

28:08

clip. He's been a long time shouting about

28:10

how he would go to black neighborhoods

28:13

and tell all the black men to wear condoms

28:15

and all the black women that it's

28:18

okay to say no. And

28:20

he like he talked, he said a few times,

28:22

like I tell him, like it's okay and work condoms and stuff,

28:25

and like he would go into these black communes and do that. And

28:27

then he's like and you know, hey, He's like, you know

28:29

it's okay to be tested. I got tested. And

28:32

then he said, and I know Brock has

28:34

been tested. Oh god, yeah,

28:37

Joe, just a gaff

28:40

machine man. You have to stop.

28:43

Why how can you do that? No filter?

28:45

He's not no filter, but like maybe

28:48

he does. And his filter is bad because what's

28:50

going like what's going through is bad.

28:52

But the filter is also not worked. That's

28:57

that's such a bad thing. We see so

29:02

positive for I

29:04

just quick,

29:08

it's just real. It's not great. Um,

29:10

And I think this is again it's a pattern and

29:13

it stems from this history and like, but I

29:15

do want to say to his credit Robert

29:17

Samuel's from the Washington Post, Robinette

29:20

Samuel's h he did a story about the Wilmington

29:23

Pool and talked to a lot of people in the neighborhood

29:25

and a lot of the folks who were like in the community um

29:28

at the time, and a lot of them did point out Robert

29:30

what you're saying, Katie, that like Biden

29:33

was the first white person who really

29:35

listened to them, and you seem to have them

29:37

like in his heart, like he was trying to like reach

29:40

out like that is that is a good thing about

29:42

him. It's just that era of like

29:45

white saviorhood, and

29:47

it's some of it's down to just like you

29:50

know, there's very few people who are able to completely

29:52

transcend their time. Like we're all to a

29:54

degree stuck in our time. There's things that

29:56

like when we're Joe Biden's age will

29:59

be like the Norman's society and it'll be

30:01

good that those things are the norm, and we'll feel weird

30:03

about them. Like I know, I'm never going to get on board with self

30:05

driving cars, even though I can't argue with the basic

30:08

idea like that, there's always

30:10

going to be ship that like you just can't move past.

30:13

Like Joe Biden is not a bad man, but

30:15

he's a bad man for this time. He's not the

30:18

right man anymore, not the person we need. Yeah,

30:22

yeah, it's like you pick up you pick out a guy

30:24

from the from the seventies and you're like, well you be

30:26

president fifty years later, Like that's no

30:28

way to country. Well,

30:30

it comes down to I mean I thought this

30:32

earlier. We'll keep saying this. I'm

30:35

sure a lot of times start the show, but the

30:37

Democrats have stayed in this middle

30:40

pocket while Republicans get

30:42

pulled further right and they still keep

30:44

thinking that what we need that our answer

30:46

to this is like, okay, hold

30:49

this line when it's not. That's not working. It hasn't

30:51

worked. This is not the error. We're not it's not the

30:53

seventies. It's it's time for something

30:55

drastically different. Um, it's not

30:58

going to play that game. This mistake he

31:00

makes that like part of what the Democrats need

31:03

is somebody who can like talk about you know, punching

31:05

people and like uh talk

31:07

like Joe Biden or like Trump does, like

31:10

like to working class people. And it's like no, no, no,

31:12

no no. That works for the Republicans

31:14

because of like number one, who their base are, and

31:16

because Donald Trump is specifically attacking

31:19

the groups that they hate, you are

31:21

defending those groups. So the fact that you ape

31:23

his language is not going to win you when

31:25

he votes from people are like, yeah, but you support

31:28

gay marriage and like we hate gay

31:30

people. Um, like that, it's

31:32

just not going to work. Like what what what's

31:34

going to appeal to a progressive base

31:37

and appeal to like union where

31:39

like, what's going to actually appeal to the

31:41

people are going to vote for Democrats? Is

31:44

a different thing than Joe Biden is capable

31:46

of delivering, which is why he continuously

31:48

fails to become the president. Interesting

31:52

pattern. Yeah, it's

31:54

the same thing. Like, I mean, he's the one person who

31:56

has failed to become president in the

31:58

Democratic Party more than Hillary Clinton,

32:01

right right, right, Yeah, And the only reason, I mean

32:03

the reason he's pulling so well is because

32:05

people know his name and they think he's the safe

32:07

choice. When uh, because

32:10

you talk about Hillary Clinton too, like

32:13

the polling said the same thing. Then I

32:15

actually don't. I just don't think that he doesn't

32:18

matter. I mean it does matter. That's what we're here.

32:20

I I worry about

32:22

him. Yeah, I mean he's got he's

32:24

got all the same problems

32:28

and more. In a way, back to our

32:30

buddy Joe, let's get into

32:32

like a little more than nitty gritty a little more of his life

32:35

because related to this race issue,

32:37

he seems to have this sort of lost in time

32:40

aspect um. I think this is again

32:42

the Ninja turtles and thats

32:45

exactly. Yeah, here's the secret

32:47

of Joe Biden's ooze. One

32:52

thing I think we've sort of been alluding to

32:55

that again that Robert Samuel's fellow

32:57

points out his piece about

33:00

his community. Joe Biden clearly wanted

33:02

to get to know and be involved in the lives of black people.

33:04

Absent of that was an analysis

33:06

or willingness to understand the impact of structural

33:09

and systemic racism and

33:12

uh, systemic racism, perhaps

33:14

that he might end up contributing

33:17

to. Perhaps maybe we can discuss

33:19

that. So, Joe Biden was the fifth youngest

33:21

Senator to serve UM on

33:24

his way to maybe be the oldest president to be elected.

33:27

UM. He prides himself on being able to work with Republicans

33:29

like Mitch McConnell and strom Thurmond. Um.

33:33

Good dude, yeah, good dude, Strom

33:35

Thermond. It's weird when you talk about strom

33:38

uh, like it only makes sense if you say his full name.

33:41

It sounds normal, like if you're like, oh, Strom over there,

33:43

no don't know strom Thermond over there. And

33:45

if either of those names do

33:47

not feel comfortable coming out of a mouth like awkward.

33:51

If I had never read any of his history

33:54

and you just said the name strom Thurmond, I would

33:56

say, well, that's a man who supported segregation, Like

33:59

like you just know as soon as you hear the now you feel

34:01

it in your bones. Yeah. Um. But

34:03

Joe Biden is the man behind the nine four

34:06

crime bill, push that quite a bit, um, which

34:08

he remains proud of. Many point

34:10

of this bill is contributing to mass incarceration.

34:12

Um, they're not wrong. Um. Though he and

34:14

others have pointed out that the increase incarceration

34:17

actually began in the seventies, um,

34:19

which also is not wrong. Um. And

34:21

I I I wonder is there like something that happened

34:23

like right before the seventies that might have led people

34:26

like white people in power to sort of push

34:28

for mass conversion when orders

34:31

right right before the seventies, like a big like a thing

34:34

like like a movement, like a big movement, a

34:36

movement for rights something the

34:39

civil sector of society, right, like like

34:41

bring more people into society. But then

34:44

like you want you want to get them out, you want to get

34:46

them out. Now yeah, no I don't think so. Okay,

34:48

well, now yeah it's yeah, yeah

34:50

I should I should have googled seventies

34:53

before, right people. Um

34:56

but uh so, while

34:58

the bill the crime will did contribute to it,

35:01

it's not the only thing. Um. So,

35:03

maybe Joe Biden's off the hook, but that also

35:05

doesn't mean that Joe Biden wasn't involved with the other stuff. Um.

35:08

So, early on in his career, Biden was like way

35:10

into crime, not doing crime, but like

35:12

the idea of crime and being like the tough

35:15

on crime guy solving the crime problem. He

35:17

went to party leadership a lot, uh, saying,

35:20

quote, give me the crime issue and

35:22

you'll never have trouble with it in an election.

35:25

Um. Working with his good friends from Thurmond

35:27

on a crime bill, he told Strom, if

35:30

you keep your right wing guys from killing this bill,

35:32

I'll keep the liberals off the bill. And

35:34

if you and I stand fast and agree on

35:37

what we can agree on and just hold firm, we

35:39

can pass this thing. Another

35:41

quote I actually quite like is, uh, we

35:43

have a military budget of billion dollars,

35:47

which, right off the bat, I think it's a good way to

35:49

start conversations about budget

35:52

um, Like it was for real, Like if you're talking

35:54

about like we don't have money and be like, well, the military

35:56

has all this um. But

35:58

he followed it up with and yet

36:00

in we only spend three billion

36:02

dollars a year to fight crime um. And it continued

36:04

with his bill with strom Thurman, how

36:07

much should we spend on schools? Joe, I

36:10

wonder if maybe maybe basing

36:13

school budget on the wealth

36:15

of the community that schools for us a bad idea.

36:17

Yeah, it takes a special kind

36:19

of mind to look at the budget

36:22

and be like, we're shooting enough people overseas,

36:25

but we're not shooting enough people here. Yeah,

36:28

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. We gotta

36:30

we gotta even it out a little. Well, it's not like putting

36:32

more money into schools would also help with crime.

36:35

I wonder. Yeah, No, more education would

36:37

not help. It wouldn't help.

36:41

Also, less restrictions

36:43

on the kind of substances people can imbibe, none

36:45

of that would would would help the incarceration

36:48

issue. No, Joe Biden's Joe Biden's flawless

36:50

on this one. I don't see your what you're building to Cody.

36:52

Oh, well, in that case, let's take a quick

36:54

break and uh, we're

36:56

we'll we'll build, We'll keep building to the

36:58

actual point and what Biden actually did.

37:01

I can't wait to see the sandcastle. Oh my gosh.

37:03

I know. I wish one of our sponsors was a

37:05

mattress company, because then we could have

37:07

we could have like segued from talking

37:09

about Joe Biden being woke to being like and if

37:11

you want to be woke, you've got to sleep.

37:14

That is so goods Come

37:16

at us Mattress companies, Come

37:19

at us mattress companies to get woke. Ah,

37:23

there's other candidates. We could use that on if somebody

37:25

wants to invest Mattress money in

37:27

US. Yeah. Yeah, but it's these

37:30

ads instead product

37:36

together everything

37:43

We're back. Oh my god. Those were some

37:45

powerfully erotic ads. Just oh

37:48

man, Oh

37:51

yeah yeah. I am boiling

37:53

under the collar. So let's cool off

37:55

by talking about Joe Biden. Let's

37:57

jump back into that pool. I

38:00

don't know Joe. Joe's a he's

38:02

a hunky man, so

38:05

I am not. He was good looking as a younger

38:07

man, I mean, yeah, objectively handsome

38:09

when he was younger. Yeah, yeah, he

38:12

needed more. Um. I think it would

38:14

have helped if like one of his eyes

38:17

exploded, like yeah, a little

38:19

more character, you know, that handsome

38:21

face. But then just like yeah, you don't

38:23

want someone to be too handsome. Give me

38:26

some blood, dread exactly. I gotta

38:28

get those blood, you know. I know

38:30

you can say fairly that like that's just a

38:32

thing that happens, and it's not really a serious health problem.

38:34

But also I've given a number of speeches,

38:37

and I've seen a lot of people give speeches without

38:39

their eyes exploded. Yeah, it does

38:41

worry me that that happened to Joe. It's

38:43

just another piece of information to keep just

38:46

something else. Even mind all right, keep

38:48

doing your thing, just and the teeth thing. It's just that

38:50

it's always always when it's

38:52

like a debate or like a big

38:55

event, it's never like, oh, he's doing like a thing

38:57

in Iowa. It's like, no, when

39:00

we really need you to keep it together. The

39:02

election has just started, and he looks

39:05

more like the crypt keeper than he did when he left

39:08

office. If

39:10

so many more months of this, but

39:12

back to Joe and his his buddy

39:15

Strom, his concern with crime.

39:18

So during during this sort of period of late

39:20

seventies early eighties, like Carter

39:22

Reagan sort of period crime wasn't

39:25

necessarily like a national issue at this time.

39:27

They were more focused on the economy

39:30

and things like that, so it wasn't like you gotta

39:32

be tough on crime. That wasn't really a thing yet for these

39:34

people. But the the Biden Thermon

39:36

dream Team was working to on

39:39

on a bill basically to increase penalties

39:42

for drugs, including expanding

39:44

civil asset forfeiture, which side

39:46

note, civil asset forfeiture exists

39:49

on the federal level largely because

39:51

of Joe Biden specifically. There's

39:54

a strong argument to be made that

39:56

rather than like the actual

39:59

like focus on incarceration and stuff,

40:01

the number one thing he attributed to, like

40:03

the growth of the car serial state in this country

40:05

is that because that's many people

40:08

will argue that is the number one driver of our

40:10

prison population is the fact that we made it profitable

40:12

to incarceerate people for police departments, and that's

40:14

how they found themselves now exactly. Um,

40:17

it's it's a terrible policy. Uh,

40:20

you can argue it's the worst thing he did. Yes,

40:22

yeah, Um yeah, it's it's not not

40:25

good. There's way more into the story of that, but

40:27

just check out the comprehensive forfeiture Act introduced

40:30

by Joe Biden, and

40:32

I was part of this other bill, but he eventually

40:34

got it done on his own, and

40:36

so that was a big part of it. And they also worked together

40:39

to create a Sentencing Commission and

40:41

sort of eradicate parole at the

40:43

federal level, and to limit access to will

40:46

cool Um sort of all these things that make

40:48

it um a little bit harder.

40:51

Uh. He lead the

40:54

push for the Anti Drug Abuse Act of

40:57

six, which lengthened sentences

40:59

for a lot of senses. Um. He

41:01

was regularly very critical of George Bush

41:03

for not being tough enough on crime. He's just

41:05

like the tough crime guy. He would be heard to say

41:08

phrases like lock the s O B s

41:10

up. You can see a lot of his speeches

41:13

on the floor of Congress sort of talking

41:15

in this way about crime and criminals

41:17

in general, although recently he's

41:20

been heard to say things like too many

41:22

people are incarcerated and nobody

41:25

should be in jail for a nonviolent crime.

41:27

There we go, which Herd agreed

41:30

Joe, but no, but no acknowledgement

41:32

of the role he played to create the exactly.

41:35

There's no reflection on how

41:38

we got here or that like he's changing his mind

41:41

even like it's just like, no, I'm saying the thing that we

41:43

are said, saying the stuff that we all want

41:45

me to say, right when he

41:48

hugely contributed to it. Again, like the civilisid

41:50

forfiture thing is bonkers to me

41:53

that it was him, and no

41:55

one's really brought that up to him or to his face

41:57

in relation to all this stuff. And it

42:00

just seems like a problem to have somebody

42:03

who is so for these things when

42:05

they've sent their entire career being against them,

42:08

and it makes me question

42:10

what he actually believes or thinks or

42:13

once you know, Yeah, I

42:15

don't know. Not a fan, That's

42:18

all I'm saying. Um, But

42:21

no discussion of Joe Biden will be complete

42:24

without discussing Anita Hill. Yes,

42:26

thank you, one

42:29

who contacted the FBI about

42:32

alleged sexual harassment from Clarence Thomas.

42:34

Would take that line one more time. No

42:38

discussion of Joe Biden would be complete

42:40

without discussing Anita Hill, a

42:43

woman who contacted the FBI about

42:45

alleged sexual harassment from Clarence

42:47

Thomas who would eventually be put on the Supreme

42:49

Court for a

42:51

life. Yeah,

42:55

Biden led the hearing Regarding Hill's

42:57

accusations, he's recently said, not only didn't

42:59

I vote for Claire Thomas, I believed her

43:01

from the beginning. I was against Clarence

43:03

Thomas. I did everything in my power to defeat

43:06

Clarence Thomas, and he won by the smallest

43:08

margin anyone ever won. Going on the Supreme

43:10

Court. Um many

43:13

hold Biden partly responsible for this and

43:15

for the terrible treatment he'll received. He

43:18

allowed Republicans to attack her too harshly, sort

43:20

of with free reign um. He himself had

43:22

a line of questioning that was very aggressive and accusatory,

43:25

despite his claim that he believed Yeah,

43:29

he's even said, if you go back and look

43:31

at what I said and didn't say, I

43:33

don't think I treated her badly. So again,

43:36

this sort of not being able to receive criticism

43:39

to any reflection on perhaps

43:42

even if even if you frame it like well is a different

43:44

time and I was doing this and this and this, he

43:47

won't even go that far to say I

43:50

regret doing it. I wish I didn't.

43:52

It was a different time. I'm sorry, Like there's nothing

43:55

there. It's just sort of denying that

43:57

there was anything wrong with it. And that's what I want in

44:00

a president. Um yeah,

44:02

um, I love having our

44:05

current president, but slightly more woke.

44:09

Um. You know, you know, I think it's

44:11

a very clear truth of American history

44:13

that nothing but good has ever come from

44:15

presidents not being able to admit their

44:17

mistakes. That's why we had the

44:19

famously successful Vietnam War, which

44:23

lead to a lot of good, only

44:26

good things, for only good reasons. Well,

44:28

the most important thing is just to keep barreling straight

44:30

ahead without reflection because

44:33

if you because otherwise you look weak. But

44:36

we need a strong um man

44:39

man, Yes, thank you, a strong you. That's

44:43

also only worked out well for human

44:45

history. He's Electing strong strong men

44:48

to positions always works out well.

44:50

They always do a good job and never

44:52

any negative strongly like authoritative

44:55

positions. With you know, increasing

44:57

amounts of power, I think

45:00

we we might be coming up with inventing

45:02

live on this podcast, a new political

45:05

philosophy. It seems

45:07

good, it seems

45:09

good. Strong man is

45:12

m Yes, that's

45:14

got a real ring to it. I would prefer though,

45:17

if the strong the

45:19

strong man represented

45:22

uh like the minority

45:24

opinion of the population. Absolutely

45:27

okay, yeah, Well, and in order

45:29

to justify his power, we say that

45:31

he spiritually embodies the

45:34

essence of the people, seems

45:37

like speaking for everybody despite

45:39

not having the representation

45:41

in the election. It's really coalescing right now.

45:45

I think we're onto something. Yeah

45:47

yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. Um.

45:50

I'm waiting for a politician that opposed

45:52

Donald Trump to literally call the fascist and explain why

45:54

he is. Um. Side note

45:57

that we're just talking about um.

46:00

No one said we can probably get Beto to call him

46:02

an asshole. But yeah, I

46:05

wouldn't trust Beto to know or remember

46:07

the actual definition the fascism, No no,

46:09

no, no, but he definitely would swear about it. Fascist

46:14

are prideful boy.

46:17

It's not running for sam. I

46:19

am excited for the rally Beto O'Rourke

46:22

does wearing like a

46:24

battle jacket at a skate park

46:26

like that's gonna be a real fun day that.

46:32

Yes, we do and we will. Um yeah.

46:35

Back to my buddy Joe, um and how he

46:37

didn't doesn't think he did anything wrong, retreated

46:39

badly um despite

46:41

other people saying that he has, even

46:43

people in his own party and people that have watched

46:46

the hearings. If you ask Anita Hill, she

46:48

definitely thinks differently. It was apparently

46:51

a running joke in her household for years and years

46:53

and years that if like if

46:55

no, if they were if her and her family was home,

46:57

if nobody was expected, like they didn't

46:59

expect company, but the doorbell rang, somebody

47:02

would say, is that Joe Biden coming

47:04

to apologize? Um?

47:07

Yeah, just a running joe in her in her

47:09

household. But Joe did apologize

47:12

literally decades later, mere

47:14

weeks before announcing his third

47:17

run for president, issuing

47:19

how that works out? It is interesting timing

47:21

there, Joe, But it definitely seems sincere.

47:24

Yeah. Oh yeah, no, he meant it. Um. Although

47:26

he apparently didn't apologize for his behaviorize,

47:30

he apologized for how she

47:32

was treated. No, unacceptable, not getting

47:34

them. Sorry. I

47:37

hate like the weasel words.

47:40

I'm sorry. Just

47:42

apologize, I'm sorry. If what I

47:45

said was hurt you, I'm sorry

47:47

you're upset. I am that sucks, you're

47:49

upset. I don't like you being mad at me because

47:51

I don't think I did anything wrong. Yeah,

47:54

you're not sorry. Point in our national

47:57

discourse where a good apology actually

47:59

means more than it should, just because you never

48:01

hear them, Like I can actually almost

48:03

forgive some really terrible things. If it's actually

48:06

a good apology as opposed to just like, well, I'm sorry

48:08

you felt hurt, like like good

48:10

for you for growing and like you seeing it. Yet

48:12

it's literally acknowledging the thing. Yeah yeah.

48:15

Um. Interestingly enough, she did not accept his apology.

48:19

Um. As soon as the story came out again

48:22

with very interesting timing that he had apologized

48:24

to her, she came out and said, no, I don't

48:27

accepted an apology. What are you talking about, Well,

48:29

it sounds like she's being unreasonable. It

48:31

does sound like that. Why

48:34

can't she get on board the Biden train so

48:36

many reasons? Which is a decrepit am track. This

48:40

is chugging along, chugging along. It's

48:44

uh, just like parts of it exploding

48:46

every once in a while. Um.

48:49

So she didn't accept his apology. So I think this actually

48:51

sort of brings institute different discussions. One

48:53

is about Joe Biden's relationship with Republicans

48:56

and one is about his relationship with women.

48:59

Um. First the literal elephants

49:01

in the room. Um, his relationship

49:03

with Republicans um. As

49:06

fellow Democrat Howard Metzenbaum

49:08

explained about the need of hearing quote

49:11

Joe bent over too far backwards to

49:14

accommodate the Republicans who are going

49:16

to get Thomas on the court, come hell or high water.

49:19

And I think this is really representative

49:21

of again what we've been talking about,

49:24

where he trusts Republicans

49:26

and the Republican Party way too

49:28

much. Um. Like

49:30

he's talked about how Donald Trump is an aberration, how

49:33

he like he came out of nowhere. He's wholly separate

49:35

from the Republican Party and Biden's

49:38

campaign for Republicans, he's defended them. He claims that

49:40

when Trump is gone, they'll all have an

49:43

epiphany. Um. In short,

49:45

Biden doesn't get it at

49:47

all. And uh, he doesn't

49:49

get what the Republican Party is. He doesn't get the

49:51

Trump is the logical conclusion to that

49:54

party, and the party has no interest,

49:56

no interest in compromising or helping

49:58

or bridging this divide, and keeps talking

50:00

about they elected Donald

50:02

Trump, who has a approval

50:05

rating among Republicans. He doesn't

50:07

get it, and uh, that's

50:10

gonna that's just not a way

50:13

to a win support

50:16

from the opposition party or to get anything

50:18

done. Um. Because it's again that sort

50:20

of we're gonna compromise, we're gonna stay,

50:22

we're gonna stay the course, We're gonna stay down the middle. And

50:24

then the Republicans are like, well, fuck,

50:27

you know, we're gonna act

50:29

the way that we act and

50:33

uh cool, it's cool, cool,

50:35

cool cool cool, it's cool.

50:38

Um so that's gonna be not great.

50:41

Um, it's just it's just

50:44

another example of like you just don't you

50:47

don't understand, and you're trying to get

50:49

back to this era that doesn't exist. It's

50:51

not going to happen, and it may have existed,

50:54

but but it it's we're so far

50:56

past that. And um,

51:00

when it existed, it was

51:02

mostly just all of the white people

51:04

left and right long and passing

51:07

laws that fucked over people who are not

51:10

Yes, I mean literally have that consideration,

51:13

this whole thing of like, oh yeah, you worked

51:15

with strom Thurmond to get these

51:17

these laws passed. Uh, that

51:20

did exactly what you just said, Robert h

51:22

And he talks about that in the way he eulogized

51:25

strong Them's funeral and

51:27

talked about how they worked together,

51:29

and he works Fether, Mitch McConnell and all these people that

51:31

do not give a fuck. And

51:33

it's the that that time is over, Joe, and

51:36

I'm sorry it ain't happening.

51:38

I'm actually not sorry that time is over fair

51:42

because really

51:44

bad, you know what, I

51:47

agree, I take it back. It's

51:49

very good that that era is over. We're

51:51

about women now, we're gonna talk about women. Here we go.

51:54

Uh, it's creepy little hands and like I

51:57

guess in a nutshell Joe,

52:00

like what are you doing? What are you

52:02

doing? This is a podcast, so we can't

52:05

show you the many times he's just like

52:07

touched women in weird ways. Go on

52:10

YouTube and you'll find a compilation of it and

52:12

it is truly striking. Just take a minute

52:14

to go for that. Like the Republicans

52:16

have made a big deal about it, but they're really not

52:19

exaggerating it. The old problem

52:21

and there's hundreds of examples of it,

52:23

a tons of examples, super weird. Uh,

52:26

there's no that's the thing with a lot of stuff that Uh,

52:29

there are problems with Joe where it's like Republicans

52:32

weaponize them, but a lot of the things are

52:34

like yeah, that's right, Like that's

52:37

andre so so often you see these

52:39

sort of things weaponize, blown out of proportion. But

52:42

it's not good. Um, and he's you

52:44

know, kind of apologized for it, but

52:47

then he's joked about it after the fact

52:50

and then re intinue to do it

52:52

also kind of apologized right

52:54

like that, And even then it's like

52:56

talking about like at a different time, it's

52:58

like, well, it was never a good time that

53:01

was sniff women's

53:03

hair from behind or like touched like

53:05

people that clearly don't want to be Um.

53:08

Do you remember how they called the seventies

53:10

the old the good old hair sniff in years m

53:17

yeah, yeah yeah um.

53:20

And this is a lot of stories also of just the

53:23

like calling women's sweetheart in that condescending

53:25

way. That's one of those things where like

53:27

that's not okay, but like that I can

53:29

chalk up to, like, Okay, that was

53:31

more common at a different time. The hair

53:34

sniffing and grabbing was never normal,

53:36

never, Yeah, always

53:38

uncomfortable especially yeah, and

53:41

like just having that position of power to like

53:44

it's not okay no matter what. But him being like, yeah,

53:46

you're the vice president, You're gonna sniff this woman's hair from

53:48

behind, and like it's too much Joe,

53:52

um hm. But but

53:54

like just a few days ago is a woman from the Sunshine

53:56

movement from that Um, I'm just

53:58

asking him about his relationship with the assil fuel industry.

54:01

Uh, you know, taking money from executives. How

54:03

has climate change advisor Heather Zitchel

54:06

made like a million dollars from the fossil

54:08

fuel money. Um. And he

54:11

kept denying that any of this is

54:13

true. And he ended it with saying, again

54:16

quite condescendingly, like, thank you for being admiring

54:18

me so much. But during

54:20

that conversation, as she's approaching him and talking

54:23

to him, he grabs her hands and

54:25

like and like puts her hands inside

54:28

his hands and he does not let them go the

54:31

entire time. Sounds like someone who doesn't

54:33

learn his lessons, doesn't learn his lesson and like

54:36

has the sort of like knee jerk reactions

54:38

of like, well, I'm being confronted,

54:40

I need and like this is a woman, so I'm

54:42

gonna grab her hands and just deny it and then

54:44

be like thanks for the advice, sweetheart, and

54:46

walk away. Um. It's

54:49

it's like it's

54:51

that sneaky kind of chauvinism. That's like that's

54:55

like I know, I'm a good guy. Do you guys

54:57

want to talk about the Kamala Harris debat where

55:01

he grabbed her arm? Oh?

55:03

Yeah, um,

55:07

and yeah, it's just like a thing that he even

55:09

though he's apologizing for it, he still

55:11

does it and he still doesn't get it. There's

55:14

that moment in the debate where

55:16

he in Kamala stage and he like

55:18

grabs her arm, and it

55:21

was no easy on me, kid, a kid,

55:26

kiddo, be outside

55:28

of the outside of the sexism.

55:31

Like if it had been a man that he'd done that too,

55:33

it still would have been an example of like you fundamentally

55:36

misunderstand politics. Yeah,

55:38

you don't do that, like ever, like

55:41

you don't ask an opponent to go easy on you

55:43

never do that. You don't do it behind closed

55:45

doors, and you don't do it on stage when

55:48

you're Mike. Yeah, you just don't do

55:50

it. Yeah, it

55:52

was like embarrassing in that way. And then

55:55

also just like why are you calling

55:57

this woman kiddo and like grabbing her arm? That

55:59

would call this black woman kiddo. Like

56:01

here's a bunch of problematic acid. So

56:03

there's so right, there's so much surrounding most of the

56:05

things. There's so many layers of why that's bad.

56:08

And that seems to be a theme

56:10

for him too, like and and it's

56:13

and I keep coming back to this, um

56:16

it's he's a weird mirror

56:18

of Donald Trump in the worst way possible,

56:20

Like because with Trump you get a lot of this stuff

56:23

too, of like he says a thing and you're like, well,

56:25

that's wrong and bad for so many reasons.

56:28

And with Joe it's still and I'm not like, I'm not going

56:30

to compare sniffing women's hair from

56:33

behind, which is bad to the

56:35

things that Donald Trump has been accused of with women, which

56:37

are horrendous. Um. But

56:40

at the same time, in

56:42

terms of this being the worst year ever, I

56:45

can't imagine something worse for the

56:47

country, for women, for

56:50

vulnerable communities and minorities, for everyone

56:53

than two doddering old bags of bones

56:55

who think they're the ones standing up to the

56:57

bully, both often confused

57:00

and having trouble using words and sentences,

57:03

arguing with each other about who's

57:05

more racist, who's more bad

57:07

with women, and who has the hardest time

57:10

using their brains, Like it's going to be

57:12

the same guy arguing

57:14

with himself. It's painful to imagine. It's

57:16

so painful to imagine. I don't I

57:18

don't know what to do. Even

57:22

the dog is upset about it. Yeah,

57:25

dogs all over the country are upset about it. Yeah,

57:27

they're howling constantly. I mean, should

57:29

we say something about Joe Biden's the fact

57:32

that he grabbed that baby dick first, Oh

57:34

my god, that photo baby,

57:40

it's it's he holds it again.

57:43

The man is a father and he holds a baby

57:45

like no one holds a baby. Nobody

57:47

holds baby. I I have no kids.

57:49

I don't like I would be I like,

57:51

I for good reason do not have kids.

57:54

I know. You don't hold a fucking baby that way. You don't

57:56

hold a baby like that. You don't hold your baby like that. You don't

57:58

hold somebody else's baby like that. You don't hold somebody

58:00

else's baby like that when there's a camera taking a picture,

58:02

hold any living

58:05

thing that way. You don't hold a dog or a cat

58:07

that way. Nothing likes to be held.

58:09

Dick. First, we're

58:11

going to picture or something like

58:14

seriously, like google Joe

58:16

Biden holding a baby. It's the first picture

58:19

bananas and auto

58:21

fills on Google. Oh no,

58:30

it's so weird, and like this is kind of stuff

58:32

that like it's bad and we all

58:34

know it's bad. And then you imagine an election

58:37

where he's against Donald Trump and like that machine

58:39

weaponizing this kind of stuff. It's

58:42

gonna be miserable and

58:45

like probably effective. And nobody, nobody,

58:48

we don't want it. We don't want it. We don't want it. We

58:50

don't want it. We don't want it. I

58:54

can I tell my one Joe Biden story. So

58:58

back in when I was doing

59:01

the convention circuit and work in the election,

59:03

one of the journalists I worked alongside

59:05

was like a long time DC Bureau

59:08

reporter, like twenty years or something. He'd

59:10

been reporting on politics and d C. And so he'd like met

59:12

Joe Biden a bunch of times, been at a bunch of events where

59:14

the vice president had spoken and where

59:16

he's spoken even before he was VP. And

59:18

he told me about one where Joe

59:21

Biden went and like gave this speech and then afterwards

59:23

just started like hanging out with the press corps and like

59:25

drinking until the point where like they were up until

59:28

like two in the morning. And uh,

59:30

he says, like I noticed

59:32

like one of his Secret Service agents just looking

59:34

absolutely exhausted, and I like looked

59:37

over to him and I asked, does he do this a lot?

59:40

And the Secret Service agent looked back at him and

59:42

said, all the time, and this voice

59:44

that was just like bone weary. This

59:47

guy doesn't know when he's going to get to sleep because

59:49

Joe Biden just can't stop himself from hanging

59:51

out with people. That's

59:54

is that is, that does is that drive, that need

59:56

that needs to be desired and liked

59:59

and loved, and like I'm the guy we're

1:00:01

going I'm here until you all fall asleep

1:00:05

or like my high explodes and I kind of taken

1:00:07

napin it.

1:00:10

I mean, yeah,

1:00:14

there are some good things that

1:00:16

I think about him that like are unique to him as

1:00:18

a candidate, and it's not a lot to talk

1:00:21

about, but like I do think they're positives.

1:00:23

He took public transit, the Amtrak for like

1:00:25

twenty something years, um, And

1:00:28

it's good to have somebody

1:00:30

in the executive branch who like understands

1:00:32

how a huge chunk of this country gets around.

1:00:35

Yeah, there's a wrong term

1:00:37

experience. Yeah, that's

1:00:41

positive. That's the positive we have from train.

1:00:45

No. No, there's there's one other that's pretty significant

1:00:47

to me, which is that he um, he's

1:00:49

the only member of the executive branch we've

1:00:52

had in recent memory who had a child

1:00:54

fight in one of our wars. Um,

1:00:56

And that's not insignificant to me, that's

1:00:59

a positive as well. So like, I'll

1:01:01

give him those things. Those are but there's about significant

1:01:03

things. Um, it doesn't overwhelm

1:01:06

all of them. Yeah,

1:01:09

but it's nice. I appreciate that you

1:01:11

brought these two very small positives

1:01:13

up. Yeah, because

1:01:15

we're fair and balanced, were fair and balanced and

1:01:17

stuff and other stuff. Yeah. Do

1:01:20

you think that considering all things,

1:01:22

yea, his love where all

1:01:26

things all of it? Um? Do you think that his love

1:01:28

and appreciation for trains will lead him to do anything

1:01:30

about like,

1:01:34

because you know, much

1:01:36

more public transportation, maybe even free public transportation

1:01:39

would benefit so many people and improve

1:01:41

some people's lives. But

1:01:43

will he do anything about that? That's

1:01:46

a great question, And the answer

1:01:48

is it depends on whether or not his eyeballs

1:01:50

explode, rendering him unable to uh

1:01:55

do his job as president

1:02:00

chancesible

1:02:03

or maybe maybe he's on his way to sign

1:02:06

the bill increasing public transit funding and

1:02:08

he seeds a baby with an ungrabbed crotch and

1:02:10

he's just got to get in there, um, you

1:02:12

know, and then as I put

1:02:15

his teeth fall out and then he's like he

1:02:19

goes to pick it up, but the

1:02:21

eyeball, you know, Joe Biden

1:02:24

over the last year is like a very slow

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motion uh play of that scene

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at the end of Raiders of the Lost Star. Just

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gonna slowly melt for the next fifteen

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we're just watching that. I

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mean, and that would be fun, but it's not what I want from a president,

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not from a president.

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From a vice president. Sure, yeah,

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you can get away with that as a VP. I

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don't actually care all that much.

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Yeah, and swear to god, I like

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gets on the ticket. It's like the running maide of somebody

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that no one would do that. No, I'm

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I am excited for Beto Biden. Oh

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God, of all the people to pickin.

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Oh no, no,

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no, that won't happen. Joe Is Yeah,

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no, nobody likes him on that stage. They

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don't. He doesn't like being on that stage.

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Um, thanks for doing all that research for us,

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Cody, that was interesting, probably my favorite person.

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I love him. That

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was so sincere and completely,

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very sincere and in

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your heart. Yeah, you get it. That's

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my that's my sincerity for the day.

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I like him. M h. Well,

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thanks for listening, guys. This is really

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fun. You can check us out on the internet

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at worst your pod that's

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on Twitter. Instagram and uh,

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we do not have a website just yet coming

1:03:58

soon. But what we do definitely

1:04:01

have coming soon as a t public store with

1:04:03

merchandise and stuff that you should

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buy. We should stay

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right now. The only shirt that we will ever sell

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is a high resolution picture

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of Joe Biden grabbing that baby's growing.

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Can we sell that? Oh yeah,

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that's gonna lead us through to November? Yeah?

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With that that Daria teacher's eye popping out.

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Yeah, yeah, you've you've

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you're already well acquainted with the dirt bag

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left via podcast Like Chapo, we're

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the Baby's crotch Grabbing Let Nope, nope,

1:04:31

nope. Shouldn't nobody agree

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to need a workshop that we need a workshop that in

1:04:35

circle background? It's

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too bad we're branded already, guys. I'm

1:04:39

sorry, it's a it's a real shame. We're

1:04:41

all really upset that we can't

1:04:44

brand ourselves as the baby crotch Grabbing

1:04:46

podcast. And what can listeners

1:04:48

expect next next

1:04:51

week we're gonna be talking about Andrew Yang.

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So you know you want to tune in for that? Guys?

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Oh yeah you do? Yeah, come back if

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you haven't some ribe, subscribe, ye join

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our Yang gang. It's gone. It's

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not going to be as interesting as the corn

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Pop gang, but it'll be different kind of gang romans.

1:05:10

They're hanging out of the pool causing trouble. There

1:05:13

will be a bike chain, but that's

1:05:15

that's all all spoil ahead of time. Yeah, but

1:05:18

it's like a bike chain that's falling off of a bike and

1:05:20

like someone to fell over and skin their knee. It's

1:05:22

a different kind of violent spoiler. Yeah,

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come back for that. It

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was fun. You know what? Bye

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