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that is, to see this thing
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go to the end. Meanwhile in
2:15
the art then, the Americans have
2:17
recaptured the initiative, moving step by
2:20
step back over the lost ground.
2:22
Oberst Piper is a very
2:24
arrogant, typical SS man, thoroughly
2:27
imbued with the Nancy philosophy.
2:29
He is very proud of
2:31
his regiment and division, and
2:34
is inclined to make
2:36
derogatory remarks about other
2:38
units. Did you honestly expect
2:40
to reach the Murs River
2:42
in one day? If our
2:44
own infantry had broken through
2:46
by 0700 as originally planned,
2:49
my answer is yes. I think we
2:51
might have reached the Murs in fun
2:53
day. Well, those were extracts from the introduction
2:56
to foreign military study, East Inte Ten,
2:58
and then their subsequent interview notes with
3:00
Obest Piper, after the war, about Camp
3:02
Grapper Piper's efforts in the Battle of
3:04
the Bulge. Welcome to their ways of
3:06
making you talk with Me, Murray, and
3:08
Jason, of course. That was like being
3:11
a fly on the wall, wasn't in
3:13
Jim. Yeah, yeah, it was really. I
3:15
mean, they're extraordinary these, these foreign military
3:17
studies. Yeah yeah and the ones with
3:19
Piper are fantastic is that there's a
3:21
series of them and it's really fantastic
3:23
because they start off with a translator
3:26
speaking in German and then halfway through
3:28
he corrects them in perfect English. So
3:30
there's no I didn't say it's exactly
3:32
like that. Absolutely brilliant. Piper's a bugger
3:34
that's what we're going to discover. Well
3:36
yes I mean it's interesting you know
3:38
here we are on episode 5 of
3:41
our Battle of the Bold series and
3:43
we're going to dedicate this entire episode
3:45
to the exploits. of Camp Groupa Piper. And
3:47
it's kind of, you know, we've been
3:49
sort of discussing how to how to
3:51
present this story because there are all
3:53
these different numbers, you know, divisions with
3:55
numbers and whether they'd be German or
3:57
American and it can get kind of
3:59
confusing. when you're just telling the story
4:01
rather than showing the story. Yes. And
4:04
I think the way to do it
4:06
is to do it slightly episodically and
4:08
see the Battle of the Bold. Yes,
4:10
it's one big battle, but it's also
4:12
a series of different battles. Yeah. All
4:14
kinds of wrapped up in the same
4:16
thing. So I think that's the approach
4:19
we've kind of rather taken. Well, and
4:21
that is how the Germans have decided
4:23
to fight it by breaking people up
4:25
into these camphorppers. from A through to
4:27
E, actually sort of tell that story
4:29
in themselves, don't they? So, yeah. Absolutely,
4:32
but Camp Group of Piper is one
4:34
of the main frosts in the first
4:36
SS Pansa court. He's a commander of
4:38
the lead Pansa regiment of the first
4:40
SS Pansa division Adolf Hitler Liebstandata. And
4:42
as we've already discussed, Septitrix, he's the
4:44
commander of the Pansa army. His plan
4:47
is to use the Volts Grenadier divisions
4:49
for the break-in. And then his Pansa
4:51
regiments beefed into battle groups for the
4:53
charge to the Murs. The Commander of
4:55
the Pans Regiment is the Commander of
4:57
the Battle Group. or the particular panzer
5:00
company is, or battalion is the commander
5:02
of the battle group, and they're given
5:04
additional troops, so artillery, aircraft, artillery, anti-tank,
5:06
artillery, and also panzegren ideas, of course.
5:08
So what this means is a huge
5:10
amount of vehicles. It's not just your
5:12
panzers, it's not just your king tigers
5:15
and your pamphers and what have you.
5:17
It's also infantry in half-tracks, and trucks
5:19
and all the rest of it. Anyway,
5:21
so who is overstone Van Fyor, Joekim
5:23
Piper? one of the sort of famous
5:25
jaunty-hatted Nazi fathers. Well he thinks of
5:28
the best looking isn't he? Let's face
5:30
it. I mean well I don't know
5:32
you always say this I'm I'm quite
5:34
happy to say I can't tell if
5:36
he's good looking at it Jim. No
5:38
but I see his jaunty hat and
5:40
I just think. Well I see his
5:43
skull and crossbones. Well I see his
5:45
reputation and I think you know you
5:47
might be a handsome devil but the
5:49
emphasis is on the devil bit rather
5:51
than that. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
5:53
yeah yeah. Anyway. B that is May
5:56
he's 29 years old and he's got
5:58
he's got a very interesting career really
6:00
because he comes from a you know
6:02
a pretty right-wing family let's face it
6:04
he's joined the SS at a pretty
6:06
early stage he's very international socialism he's
6:08
also been himless adjutant he took a
6:11
little bit of time off in the
6:13
summer of 1940 to go and fight
6:15
with with the first Waffin SS Panza
6:17
division yeah did pretty well went back
6:19
to being himless adjutant then went off
6:21
and commanded troops in the eastern troops
6:24
in the eastern front rose up to
6:26
be a pretty young regimental command I
6:28
mean, there's not many people that age
6:30
are an overstone ban fura, which is
6:32
a kernel. Yes, I... You see, what
6:34
must it have been like if you're
6:37
in... if Himmler's adjutant turns up and
6:39
he's been posted to you as an
6:41
officer, do you think, well, he only
6:43
got that job because of his connections?
6:45
For Piper, it must have been always,
6:47
he's always having to prove himself, surely,
6:49
because he's, he has turned up. He's
6:52
not worked his way through the his
6:54
way through the ranks of the ranks
6:56
of the ranks of the ranks. having
6:58
come from head office as it were.
7:00
It must be a peculiar position to
7:02
be in, right? It's got lots to
7:05
prove, right? That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
7:07
and he's from a sort of middle
7:09
class background as well. Yeah, but he's
7:11
got an older brother who's had mental
7:13
illness and attempted suicide and never really
7:15
recovers and actually has died in of
7:17
TB eventually in 1942. Gosh. He's a
7:20
younger brother called Horsed, who's also joined
7:22
the SS and Tote and caught the
7:24
bander, and died in a never really
7:26
properly explained accident in Poland in 1941.
7:28
Right. Piper gained a sort of growing
7:30
reputation reputation on the Eastern front for
7:33
being kind of very inspiring, very inspiringiring.
7:35
fearless, you know, obviously courageous, you know,
7:37
all the guys love him, all that
7:39
kind of stuff. But he's also orders
7:41
the entire, the destruction of the entire
7:43
village of Krasnaya Poliana in a kind
7:45
of revenge killing by Russian partisans. Yeah.
7:48
And his unit becomes known as the
7:50
blowtorch battalion because of his paunch for
7:52
searching Russian villages. So he's got all
7:54
the gongs, he's got on cross, second
7:56
class, cross of gold, night's cross, did
7:58
very well, did very well at... Normandy,
8:01
he suffers a nervous breakdown. Yeah. And
8:03
he's relieved of his command on the
8:05
second of August. and he's hospitalised from
8:07
September to October. So he's not his
8:09
monitoring operator and lootage. And then he
8:11
rejoins First SS Pansa Regiment as its
8:13
commander again in October 1945. It's really,
8:16
really odd. I mean... But isn't that
8:18
interesting though? If you're a Lancet, if
8:20
you're... If you're a Lancet, if you're...
8:22
If you're a lancerary soldier, you don't
8:24
get a hospitalised, you don't get time
8:26
off. You could interpret this. This is
8:29
a sort of Nazi prince. where they're
8:31
losing, why else would he have a
8:33
nervous breakdown? He's shown all the zeal
8:35
and application in the Nazi manner up
8:37
to this point and they're losing, you
8:39
know, and because he's a knob, you
8:41
know, because he's well connected, he gets
8:44
to be hospitalized if he has a
8:46
nervous breakdown. He isn't told like an
8:48
ordinary German soldier, there's no such thing
8:50
as combat fatigue, mate, go back to
8:52
work. Yes, and it's a nervous breakdown,
8:54
not combat fatigue. Well, yes, of course.
8:57
But you, what's a difference? One A.S.
8:59
soldier said of him, Piper was the
9:01
most dynamic man I ever met. He
9:03
just got things done. Yeah. You get
9:05
this image I have of him, of
9:07
having this kind of sort of slightly
9:09
manic energy. Yeah. He's virulently national socialist.
9:12
He's got this great reputation. He's damned
9:14
if anyone's going to tarnish it. He
9:16
knows what's expected of him, extreme violence
9:18
and cruelty and pushing his men on.
9:20
I mean, he's sort of, he's the
9:22
fewer a prince at large, isn't he,
9:25
as an SS officer. Yeah, exactly. cruelty
9:27
and extreme violence are bundled in to
9:29
wherever he goes basically. And yeah it's
9:31
amazing because you know he is very
9:33
young and when you look at pictures
9:35
of him at his post-war trial by
9:38
which time he's 31 or something yeah
9:40
he still looks pretty baby-faced really in
9:42
the big scheme of things and you
9:44
kind of it's hard to you know
9:46
you look at sort of derlanger for
9:48
example I mean he looks like a
9:50
total yes he looks like a villain
9:53
and a bastard yeah But Piper doesn't,
9:55
I mean, you know, looks mean nothing,
9:57
do they? They sort of do in
9:59
your mind's eye, that's a way. Well,
10:01
I don't know, anyway, I think the
10:03
thing is, we can judge the book
10:06
by the cover, we can also read
10:08
the contents of the book in the
10:10
case of your compiper and be quite
10:12
a bald bite. I mean, it's little
10:14
wonder he's been given this campfire because
10:16
as you say, he's reputation, he's just
10:18
extremely well connected, you know, and... Dietrich
10:21
is SS through and through, so you're
10:23
going to give the point of the
10:25
spear in this particular part of the
10:27
Ardennes offensive. You're going to give a
10:29
job like this to Jocken Piper. Yes.
10:31
Because you'll get it done. Whatever it
10:34
is, whatever it is, whatever it is
10:36
you want, you know. He's out of
10:38
hospital, he's back on form, he's a
10:40
man you want. He's a man you
10:42
want. He's a man you want. He's
10:44
a man, he want. Yeah. He's out
10:46
of the man. He's a man. He's
10:49
a man. Unofficially, he gets wind of
10:51
the ardent offensive four, five days before
10:53
it happens, but not before that. And
10:55
that's when Bregardafira Fritz Kramer, who we've
10:57
already mentioned is a chief of staff
10:59
of six Pansarami, and who in the
11:02
eyes of many is the real kind
11:04
of brains behind it, rather than Septidetric.
11:06
He's a bit of a kind of,
11:08
you know, not the sharpest tour in
11:10
the shed. And Kramer asked him his
11:12
thoughts about an attack through the attack
11:14
for the... even to try to push
11:17
shoes. Hypothetically you understand. Anyway, Kramer wants
11:19
to know whether whether a pan's regiment
11:21
could travel 80 kilometers through the night.
11:23
Yeah, 50 miles. And Piper says, you
11:25
know, I don't want to give you
11:27
an answer straightway, sir. You know, let
11:30
me let me test it out. So
11:32
he takes a pamphlet and runs it
11:34
from Euskirka to Blakenheim, which is in
11:36
the Eiffel region, but obviously on the
11:38
German side of the border. And he
11:40
concludes that it is definitely possible, but
11:42
you need a free road. Right, okay.
11:45
And you need a decent road. You
11:47
need a decent road and you need
11:49
no other traffic on it. That's a
11:51
no then, isn't it? If we're honest.
11:53
But I mean, the thing is, is...
11:55
So much of this plan relies on
11:58
a free road and no opposition, doesn't
12:00
it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Completely relies on
12:02
it. Anyway, his regiment, his Pansa regiment
12:04
leaves the Minden area at 7 p.m.
12:06
on the 13th and then they have
12:08
to kind of get their assembly area
12:11
on the, you know, in the Eiffel
12:13
at around. the morning of the 14th
12:15
of December when they do so in
12:17
thick form. The Piper says the whole
12:19
thing was to be announced to the
12:21
troops only when they fell in immediately
12:23
required to departure. It was complete blackout
12:26
during the night and radio silence. See
12:28
it's interesting isn't it? Because this is
12:30
why they offer such surprise when the
12:32
battle begins. But that also makes organizing
12:34
very very difficult. Organizing in fog with
12:36
radio silence. That's really really hard in
12:39
winter. in winter so that we have
12:41
16 hours of darkness. So yes sure
12:43
it offers them tactical advantage but it's
12:45
a pain in the ass for them.
12:47
Yeah I mean he knows what he's
12:49
doing though Piper that's the one of
12:51
the things about him right he does
12:54
know what he's doing. Yeah yeah he
12:56
does have what he's doing and that
12:58
day this is only the 14th of
13:00
December this is two days before it
13:02
starts. He's called to Tondorf and the
13:04
command post of the first SS Panzer
13:07
division. where the commanding officer over fjura
13:09
Vilhelmunca briefs him and other commanders on
13:11
the entire plan and this is when
13:13
Piper learns that he's going to be
13:15
actually part of a battle group is
13:17
so he's given an additional engineer battalion
13:19
an additional battalion of core artillery of
13:22
150 millimeter and 210 millimeter houses which
13:24
are big boys which are big big
13:26
big big guns yeah big guns you
13:28
know you're not pulling those with horses
13:30
you're pulling those with big track panomags
13:32
and all the rest of it All
13:35
together, Piper's got 4,800 troops, 800 vehicles,
13:37
including 117 Pansas, 149 Half Tracks, 24
13:39
artillery pieces and 30 anti-aircraft weapons. Right.
13:41
And it's now going to be called
13:43
Camp Groupa Piper. He's got Pansafores, Pamphers
13:45
and Tiger Two's. And he's also got
13:47
attached in one of these ludicrous Scorzani
13:50
units from the 150 Pansa. brigade, you
13:52
know, in their Sherman tanks or whatever,
13:54
which is 500-member. They're sort of tabbed
13:56
onto the back. Yeah. And not really
13:58
doing it, you know. And the plan
14:00
is for him to kind of go
14:03
up the Los Angeles garban, which we
14:05
mentioned when we were talking about Lieutenant
14:07
Bouck. Bouck, yeah. And he's given a
14:09
very, very prescribed route, and he says
14:11
to his superiors, these roads were not
14:13
for tanks, but for bicycles, but they
14:15
would not even discuss it. They said
14:18
it was the furious order that I
14:20
should take this order that I should
14:22
take this route. So, that's what they
14:24
do. I mean, Piper's very dismissive of
14:26
the scourzani units he gets, he gets,
14:28
he might as well have stayed at home because
14:31
they were never near the head of the column where they
14:33
had planned to be. Yeah, it all feels like this has
14:35
been, he's got the whiff of a kind of sort of,
14:37
hey, hey guys, here's an idea, what about this, what about
14:39
this? You know, and what we could get the scourzades, you
14:41
lot, and we could give them, and put them a jeeps,
14:43
how cool, how cool is, how cool is, how cool is,
14:45
how cool is, how cool is, how cool is, how cool
14:47
is, how cool is, how cool, how cool, how cool, how
14:49
cool, how cool, how cool, how cool, how cool, how cool,
14:51
how cool, how cool, how cool, how cool, how cool, how
14:53
cool, and, and, how cool, and, how cool, how cool, how
14:55
cool, how cool, the reality is. But also he took that
14:58
the one panther he did the distance overnight with one panther
15:00
hoping for a clear road. He's got
15:02
800 vehicles. He's not going to be,
15:04
I can tell you he's not going
15:06
to be able to do that. It's
15:08
just impossible. And also it's all very
15:10
well, again the issue here is it's
15:12
all very well doing this in secrecy,
15:14
but organizing a formation like that two
15:16
days notice and having extra things bolted
15:18
on. You've got to be very very
15:20
confident that your... headquarters works and
15:22
that everyone knows what they're doing right you've
15:24
got to be super confident that everyone's seeing
15:26
from the same him sheet or this will
15:29
not work this is well and you also
15:31
need to make sure that when you start
15:33
you're in prime position yeah guess how long
15:35
their March order is 15 miles yeah there
15:37
we are you know 800 vehicles that's 15
15:39
miles that's how long that is it's got
15:41
two train loans of fuel have been promised,
15:44
but lo and behold they don't reach them.
15:46
Ah, okay. You know, thanks to REF bombing
15:48
and... Well, and they're supposed to... Yeah, and
15:50
they're supposed to take captured fuel, sort of
15:52
Japanese... Well, they say, well, you know, our train
15:54
notes have gone up, so you can just capture
15:57
some fuel instead, so they'll give them maps, which
15:59
shows US fuel... dumps at Bullionnier and Stavalo. But you
16:01
know, will they still be there? Will the Americans have torsed them?
16:03
Will the Americans have moved them? Are they accurate? Are they even
16:05
there? And are there others and all that? They just don't know,
16:07
do they? They're whistling really. Anyway, on the night of the 15th,
16:09
16th, so this is the launch of Herbst Nibel, Piper moves his
16:11
men up to Wood, north of the town of Statkill, was there
16:13
still not right at the front line right at the front line
16:15
at the front line at the front line, right at the front
16:17
line, right at the front line, right at the front line, right
16:19
at the front line, right at the front line, right at the
16:21
front line, because they're, right at the front line, right at the
16:23
front line, because they're, right at the front line, because they're, right
16:25
at the front line, because they're, right at the front line, right
16:27
at the front line, right at the and it is a night
16:29
fashionable regiment that get held up by bulk.
16:32
Balk, yeah, to great slaughter. So they're
16:34
behind them, so already they've got vehicles
16:36
and men and etc, in front of
16:38
them, you know, it's not going to
16:40
be straightforward. Anyway, he waits in the
16:42
woods near Stadkill which is... Not a
16:44
million miles away from Lanzerat, which is
16:46
a village where Bauk was on the
16:48
hill above Lanzerat, was where Bauk was.
16:50
I went in the woods most of
16:52
the day until 4 p.m. when he's
16:54
given the nod to get moving at
16:56
long last. After an hour, they reached
16:58
a blown-out bridge. Piper tells his tanks
17:00
and half tracks to drive down the
17:03
depression up the other side, but as
17:05
advanced beyond the blown bridge, the leading
17:07
Panthers then hit mine. Two of those are
17:09
brewed up immediately brewed up immediately. are
17:11
two Panthers which were thought of as
17:13
battering rounds were lost for the rest
17:16
of the deployment without having made any
17:18
contact with the enemy. Well there it
17:20
is. It's possible with a free road,
17:22
three anti-tank mines or however many, a
17:25
handful of anti-tank mines and the whole
17:27
thing's gone wrong really. And there's this
17:29
amazing encounter in the cafe Stoltson at
17:32
Lansavat which is now a disco or
17:34
a nightclub isn't it? It's absolutely amazing
17:36
it is. Yeah, the same building. You
17:38
know, by this point, he's absolutely expecting, because
17:41
he knows the huge pressures on him. He
17:43
knows that, you know, everyone's looking at him
17:45
to be one of the main strike forces
17:47
of this attack. And here he is in
17:49
the kind of early hours of the 17th
17:51
December, and he's barely moved. He certainly hasn't
17:53
crossed kind of the enemy lines at this
17:55
point. And so he gets there storms of
17:57
the Cafes Dawson and says to the Colonel.
18:00
Hoffman who's the commander of the 9th Balchmeriega
18:02
Regiment gets one earth of you stopped. You
18:04
know, Piper's a Lieutenant Colonel, it will be
18:06
an SS1, and Hoffman is a full colonel.
18:08
So Hoffman outranks him. It's pretty, it's coordinate.
18:11
Yeah, yeah. Well, and Piper grabs a map
18:13
and using two bare and it pins it
18:15
to the wall. But Bauke is witnessing this,
18:17
isn't he? Because he's being held prisoner there.
18:20
So Lieutenant Lail Jay Bauke sees this whole
18:22
encounter. She's having, yeah. He absolutely blows a
18:24
gasket. Yeah. And he discovers that the Falshi
18:26
Miega haven't wrecked the area ahead of them.
18:29
I mean, they don't know what they're doing,
18:31
because they're crap. Because they're not very well
18:33
trained. Yeah. And he's getting the pervertin in,
18:35
in, in order to keep going, of course.
18:38
Yeah. This is never a really good sign.
18:40
It doesn't do any wonders for your mental
18:42
health, it has to be said. And they
18:44
can't move that night, so he's reorganising and
18:47
trying to start again, basically. He's got to
18:49
start again the following day, hasn't he? Yeah,
18:51
he's moved up from his start position 15
18:53
miles, so that's 18 hours behind schedule, so
18:56
that's not great. So anyway, off they go,
18:58
they head off in the following morning, you
19:00
know, the early hours of the 17thaga troops
19:02
riding on... Well, others clear the woods either
19:05
side and this is your absolute classic road
19:07
through forest of pines. You know, and there's
19:09
pictures of Tiger Two's doing this exact route
19:11
from Piper's Camp Groupon. With Fauce, Yea, Geronim,
19:13
yeah. Exactly. They reach Honsfeld within a half
19:16
hour of leading Landsraff. You go up the
19:18
hill out of Landsra out, you turn a
19:20
let, turn left through the woods, handshills on
19:22
the other side. You know, it's a couple
19:25
of miles, it's nothing more than that. The
19:27
spearhead then hurries on through the village of
19:29
Hansfeld while follow-up troops shoot at windows. There's
19:31
a handful of kind of echelon Americans there
19:34
aren't there? Yes. And troops that have been
19:36
pulled back, they return fire, they're clearly outnumbered
19:38
so they soon surrender. A number of prisoners
19:40
are rounded up as a shop. There's those
19:43
kind of instances where there's a sarge the
19:45
Germans are here, stopped kidding around, looks out
19:47
window, sees half track full of Germans. There's
19:49
that stuff going on. It's an LRC place,
19:52
London communication place. They're expecting a that day,
19:54
you know, an entertainment visit, aren't they? Yes.
19:56
Isn't it Marlene Dietrich? It's Marlene Dietrich. It's
19:58
been cancelled, to be fair. But they shoot
20:01
19 Americans in Hansfeld. Pans of Grenadiers then
20:03
loop the houses and Piper details a number
20:05
of the Faucienbega to stay behind. Yeah. Delamericans,
20:07
stripped, boots taken off, all that kind of
20:10
stuff. I mean, this was standard fair for
20:12
enemy troops that are a bit under resource
20:14
themselves. Two days later, I mean, terrible, terrible
20:16
episode and this is done by the Fauciennega
20:19
rather than the, I think, rather than Piper's
20:21
men. They demand a guide from the locals
20:23
in Honsfeld. and an adult volunteers but instead
20:25
they choose a kind of very good-looking 16-year-old
20:27
girl called Erna Collis. She goes off of
20:30
them and never seen later until five months
20:32
later her body's found in a foxhole riddle
20:34
bullets. Yeah, so these are dehumanized tough people.
20:36
Piper then makes the decision to leave most
20:39
of his trucks in Hansfeld because already the
20:41
roads are getting churned up and of course
20:43
that going to when you've got 68 ton.
20:45
Tiger Two's. Well, and he's trying to get
20:48
the next place as quickly as he can,
20:50
Bulligan, where as far as on his map,
20:52
there's fuel. So he thinks there's a fuel
20:54
dump at Bullingham. And on his way there,
20:57
he bumps into a column of American trucks
20:59
heading south. So the Americans, because it's nightfall,
21:01
no one knows who anyone is, the lead
21:03
SS car flashes a red torch, the truck
21:06
stop, the American surrender, at Siegfried, and surrender
21:08
position. I shot at them with my pistol
21:10
for two or three rounds. They shoot some
21:12
of the surrendering men, which becomes a motif
21:15
really as we go forward with Piper's progress.
21:17
There's an airfield there, a spotter, artillery spotter
21:19
airfield, and they destroy 12 aircraft. light aircraft.
21:21
So I think a couple get out and
21:24
those air crew, they're so bored in the
21:26
Ardennes before this happens, they're shooting wild boar
21:28
from those light aircrafts for sport. And they
21:30
do fight, they find an abandoned army camp
21:32
and they find Jerry Kansan rations. But even
21:35
then, the Americans are still sniping from buildings,
21:37
they're brewing up the odd tank with a
21:39
bazooka. It's still friction. two platoon leaders are
21:41
killed yeah you know it's it's so he's
21:44
getting you know he's he's being attributed both
21:46
mechanically and and in terms of action yeah
21:48
the spearhead then becomes disorientated heads north not
21:50
west out of the town so that's a
21:53
that's a cockup and they then have to
21:55
kind of pans us once more on the
21:57
lead then they have to kind of realize
21:59
that they've gone wrong you know because it
22:02
could run into an anti American anti anti
22:04
anti anti anti anti anti tank gun but
22:06
we did that a couple of a couple
22:08
of times and we had Google Maps And
22:11
that's what you meet everywhere. And they have
22:13
pretty bad out of date. Michelin maps and
22:15
stuff. We managed to do that using Google
22:17
Maps. Because that's the nature of the place.
22:20
It's lots of lanes. You come to a
22:22
crossroads suddenly. Basically, one goes up the ridge,
22:24
the other goes along the bottom, and that's
22:26
what you meet everywhere. Endless and small settlements.
22:29
So you'd be forgiven for thinking you're in
22:31
one village rather than another. Not knowing one.
22:33
All that's completely. They bumped into a Belgian,
22:35
an old Belgian man, he's wearing a Nazi
22:38
on band. He held them down and tells
22:40
them where the American fuel dump is. They've
22:42
now got, you know, hundreds of POW, so
22:44
they're then put to kind of the work
22:46
to refueling. It's now about 9am on the
22:49
17th. So just point out, they are still
22:51
a day behind at this point. Yes. But
22:53
refueled and reorientated, they then head west, they
22:55
sweep on through the villages of domain and
22:58
Chopin and Odomval, of Theremont, and on the
23:00
way they overrun Company B of the 245th
23:02
Engineer Battalion. The Panzers twist and turn deliberately
23:04
to over the Foxholes to crush those in
23:07
them. You know, so these are guys who
23:09
absolutely have kind of learnt the hard tricks
23:11
and hard knocks on... on the
23:13
Eastern Front. Interestingly, not
23:16
far away, just to
23:18
the north is a
23:20
completely different battle where
23:22
the 12SS is about
23:25
to come in, because
23:27
the big red one
23:29
is coming down towards
23:31
Bootcombeck. And the threats
23:34
to Piper is that
23:36
as his spearhead moves
23:38
on, he's going to
23:40
be cut out from
23:43
his trucks, which are
23:45
still back at Honsfeld
23:47
and Bullingham. He's all
23:49
flank at the moment,
23:51
isn't he? That's the
23:54
point. He's offering flanks
23:56
both sides, isn't he?
23:58
Yeah. And anyway, he's
24:00
now moving towards, he's
24:03
south of Malmady, heading
24:05
towards the town of
24:07
Stavolo. And there's quite
24:09
a lot of confusion
24:12
at this point, and
24:14
quite a lot of
24:16
troops are on the
24:18
move. And there's a
24:21
small little settlement at
24:23
Bonnez, which is like
24:25
a crossroads, a sort
24:27
of confluence of roads
24:30
come into it, one
24:32
from the West, one
24:34
from the East, one
24:36
from the North, one
24:39
from the South, they're
24:41
all kind of hurdling
24:43
into this one little
24:45
crossroads village. And one
24:48
of them is a
24:50
column of US trucks,
24:52
just transporting the Field
24:55
Artillery Observation Battalion. Yeah. And they're coming
24:57
from that road, which is heading from
24:59
the West. And just as they're heading
25:01
over the crossroads, the Americans call it
25:03
the five points, the lead panthers are
25:06
approaching from, well, actually approaching directly from
25:08
the South. And there's that road that
25:10
comes in from the, comes down the
25:12
hill, doesn't it, from the East. So
25:14
the Americans are coming from the opposite
25:16
direction. And there's a road that then
25:18
joins that road as it comes down
25:20
the hill, which is coming directly from
25:22
the South. It's actually ultimately coming from
25:24
the kind of the South East. And
25:26
it's on that road that the leading
25:28
panzers are there. And it's slightly raised,
25:30
isn't it? You've got a kind of
25:32
wood on your left hand side. And
25:34
the interesting about the Bonnez crossroads is
25:36
it kind of, it's like a plug
25:39
in a sink, isn't it? Yeah, kind
25:41
of, everything kind of runs down into
25:43
the crossroads. And so from there, the
25:45
leading panthers in Piper's Battle Group can
25:47
see the American trucks, you know, carrying
25:49
the 285 field artillery observation battalion heading
25:51
from the West. And they open fire.
25:53
And at this point, it's around 12
25:55
.45pm on the 17th of December. Well,
25:57
let's take a break there. And we'll
25:59
come back to I think what is one of
26:01
the most notorious incidents of the
26:03
Battle of the Bulge. Certainly the
26:06
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26:08
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26:10
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claim. 1245,
28:00
there's mayhem on the road coming
28:02
in towards Bonaise from the west.
28:04
Basically a column of people being
28:06
reorganised has run into the Campgropa
28:08
Piper spear essentially, so it's backstage
28:10
moving about by the Americans as,
28:12
because these trucks are in there
28:14
are no position or conditions to
28:16
defend themselves, are they? They're LOC
28:19
people essentially. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and
28:21
they're in soft skins, you know,
28:23
trucks. Yeah, so... Yeah, trucks veering
28:25
off the road, men running, other
28:27
surrendering, you know, maybe a half
28:29
dozen trucks destroyed. The prisoners are swiftly
28:31
gathered and they're led to a field
28:33
by the crossroads. So if you're looking
28:35
at the crossroads, the road heading north,
28:38
they've come in from the road heading
28:40
from the west. and they are
28:42
in a bit of the field which
28:44
is in the southwest corner of this
28:46
crossroads. They're quickly rounded up the American
28:49
POUs. Piper gets onto the panther commanded
28:51
by Venna Perchkin says stop firing because
28:53
he wants the trucks because he's abandoned
28:55
his trucks isn't he? So he wants
28:58
the lorries. The fact that there's people
29:00
in him by the by. The lead
29:02
Panthers turned south down the... Yeah, so
29:05
they've come up from the south. They've
29:07
then turned left onto the main road
29:09
running down the hill from the
29:11
east. And then at the crossroads
29:13
they've turned left again on the
29:16
road that's sort of heading south
29:18
towards Linneville. Basically, like to sort
29:20
of corral the POW stopped running
29:22
away. So like a sheepdog really
29:24
with a flock, trying to keep
29:26
them under control. And Piper, trying
29:28
to keep them under control. And
29:31
Piper calls out from his tank.
29:33
It's a long fade to temporarily,
29:35
boys! Yes, exactly. And off he
29:37
goes. Yeah. You know, so he's on,
29:39
he's with the spearhead, he's the
29:41
commander, and of course, that's... So
29:44
you've survivors of B batteries, around
29:46
90 of them, and 11 men
29:49
from the 32nd Armid Reki Company,
29:51
who assembled in the field just
29:53
the south of five points, which
29:56
slopes up to a wood, which
29:58
slopes up to a... engineer battalion
30:00
comes down the hill from Malmody because
30:03
Malmody is a you know a few
30:05
miles to the north of the five
30:07
points yeah and so they come down
30:09
they halt behind several stopped ambulances they're
30:11
fired on by the Germans five men
30:13
managed to get away four further trucks
30:15
arrive but then managed to kind of
30:17
hastily scarper backwards so this means at
30:19
2 p.m there's 113 POWs in this
30:22
field yeah and at 215 shooting start
30:24
some of pipers men open fire And
30:26
after this, they then go into the
30:28
field and they finish off the wounded
30:30
with rifle butts, single shots. And this
30:32
is evidenced by burn marks on, you
30:34
know, on the men who've been shot
30:36
at very close range. Yeah. By half
30:39
past two, the shootings ended, the murder
30:41
has stopped. And around three, so it's
30:43
all within an hour, isn't it? Sixty-one
30:45
more POU who is still alive. They
30:47
try to escape, 15 more shot in
30:49
that, and then three more die later.
30:51
But Piper's not there when it happens,
30:53
but it is his men. It is
30:55
his style of his outfit. It's the
30:58
manner to which they become accustomed to
31:00
fight war, but it's 84 of the
31:02
113 are killed, and they strip of
31:04
their boots and their watches. They also
31:06
set fire to the cafe nearby, and
31:08
the Belgian owner comes out of the
31:10
cafe delighted to see the Germans, and
31:12
is then killed anyway. There's a killing
31:14
spree going on, isn't there? and the
31:17
Americans discover the dead immediately. Yeah, because
31:19
they're just left there. I mean, Michael
31:21
Reynolds, who's a former general, has written
31:23
about this, wrote a book called The
31:25
Devils Adjutant, and he is not justifying
31:27
this by any stretch of the imagination,
31:29
but he does point out that massacres
31:31
of people who are in a hurry
31:33
of prisoners is as old as the
31:36
hills. And when you are in a
31:38
rush and you've got no time to
31:40
coroll them and, you know, pressures on
31:42
to just keep going and keep going,
31:44
what do with these people with these
31:46
people. by American troops in the 45th
31:48
infantry division in Sicily for example. You
31:50
know so it's hardly unique. No. But
31:53
as you point out... you know, messages
31:55
about the massacre reach US First Army
31:57
headquarters owned by 450 p.m. I know
31:59
within, I mean that's amazing within two
32:01
hours of it happening basically. This is
32:03
a thing that the American, the Americas
32:05
then leap on as a piece of
32:07
news, don't they, to tell their soldiers
32:09
that, you know, what's amazing, it goes
32:12
past all the senses. It's in the
32:14
American newspapers the following day, back home.
32:16
It's absolutely extraordinary. And they used, you
32:18
know, you can see that the US
32:20
Army leaps leaps leaps leaps on it
32:22
and goes, this is what's what's what's
32:24
coming. you need to stand and fight
32:26
and word gets round immediately that this
32:28
has happened and we see this in
32:31
Normandy as well you know the Canadians
32:33
when prisoners are killed word gets around
32:35
very very very quickly and it you
32:37
know it breaks the rule isn't it
32:39
you do as you would be done
32:41
by you you would like to be
32:43
taken prisoner in the event of your
32:45
defeat so you take the other side
32:47
prisoner it reciprocity breaks down well it
32:50
is yeah it's such a good word
32:52
yeah it's exactly what it is so
32:54
he is so he pushes what it
32:56
is so he pusheses on so he's
32:58
on and the next place hypers trying
33:00
to get to get to get to
33:02
stave his Yep, but you go through
33:04
Longville. Do you remember you go, we
33:07
went down that valley, you go down
33:09
the, down a valley and you sort
33:11
of turn right through the trees and
33:13
there's Longville at the bottom and they
33:15
run into some Shermans. They lose a
33:17
number of fans are for. And it's
33:19
one of those roads that wriggles along
33:21
the side of the valley hill just
33:23
up from the river so it can't
33:26
be flooded and you twist and turn
33:28
and you wriggle you wriggle your way
33:30
down. Yes, they run into a pick
33:32
a picket to a picket. And Stavlo
33:34
is a picket. And Stavlo is on
33:36
a picket. P-O-W-S at Longville. It is
33:38
the light motif. They get to Stavillos.
33:40
Stavillos on the Oblev River. There's a
33:42
bridge there. The Americans aren't really holding
33:45
it in any particular strength. The bridge
33:47
is supposedly ready to be blown. But
33:49
I mean, it's just amazing this, this
33:51
single American soldier coming out and saying,
33:53
hold to the... to the lead tank
33:55
in Piper's formation. I mean, the gut,
33:57
the nerve of the guy. Yeah, he
33:59
fires back with a rifle and in
34:02
his testimony he gives to the Germans
34:04
afterwards in his foreign military studies, he
34:06
says, you know, we got, we got
34:08
attacked and it was quite, it was
34:10
obvious. heavily held and I pulled back
34:12
for the night. It's a terrible lie.
34:14
You know, Stavlow was not heavily held.
34:16
You know, the effects of the Puritan
34:18
had obviously started to wear off. And
34:21
you know, he was absolutely knackered. He
34:23
just desperately needed him. I mean, he
34:25
hadn't slept for three nights or something.
34:27
But he does. And the bottom line
34:29
is that Stavlow is not heavily held.
34:31
And Stavlow is a lovely little town,
34:33
isn't it? We stayed there. medieval sort
34:35
of wool town or something that's what
34:37
it kind of feels like it's got
34:40
that kind of vibe huge great kind
34:42
of monasteries in there isn't there and
34:44
sort of that's right posing buildings and
34:46
stuff I mean it's a really really
34:48
pretty place but anyway he doesn't go
34:50
in So what he decides to do
34:52
is attack the following morning on the
34:54
18th of December. So so far they've
34:56
traveled 36 miles, they're halfway to the
34:59
Murs and they've still got a long
35:01
way to get to Antwerp. So what
35:03
he does do is that morning on
35:05
the 18th he sends off some of
35:07
his panzers to see whether there's another
35:09
way to cross the river Amblev at
35:11
Tuaup, which is actually double-out of rivers.
35:13
going through Duaupon. And at the same
35:16
time the kind of northern part of
35:18
that is being, you know, the first
35:20
infantry division starting to arrive and, you
35:22
know, strengthening up on the northern front.
35:24
So he's got a quite a narrow
35:26
little corridor in which he can go
35:28
through. Can't go through to the north.
35:30
That shut to him. So he's got
35:32
to go on this basically, this direction.
35:35
If you sort of think of the
35:37
bulge draw a kind of rough line
35:39
north-south and you think of these various
35:41
thrust heading kind of narrow little corridors.
35:43
his room for maneuver is pretty tight.
35:45
It's got to be east-west and it's
35:47
got to be within this sort of
35:49
10 mile stretch really. And obviously in
35:51
the Arden with its windy rivers and
35:54
its kind of hills and narrow roads
35:56
that's quite limiting. Well that's the thing
35:58
when you go there is you can,
36:00
is it breaks down into these small
36:02
hops and each hobby may... You can
36:04
see why he's paused as well. How
36:06
long is he's lying? We said he's
36:08
older and much, he's 15 miles long.
36:11
You can see why you might stop
36:13
rather than spread yourself even further. Well,
36:15
yes, because the thing is, I mean,
36:17
you know, again, in The Minister Piper
36:19
on that night, he doesn't know what's
36:21
in the town. No. And Americans come
36:23
out, you know, the bridge is clearly
36:25
kind of ready for explosion. You know,
36:27
his men are nackered, he's nackered. It's
36:30
only his spearhead that's spearhead that's arrived.
36:32
you know this and as you say
36:34
the 15 miles gets longer and longer
36:36
and longer and it goes from being
36:38
a 15 mile march order to well
36:40
probably best part of 25 by this
36:42
point yeah exactly you know what he
36:44
doesn't he can't afford to do is
36:46
have any reverses so you know he
36:49
thinks it's better to kind of wait
36:51
for his its better to kind of
36:53
wait it's better to kind of wait
36:55
for his men to catch his men
36:57
to catch up and attack in strength
36:59
the following morning which he does and
37:01
to be fair he does it at
37:03
a couple of the But overnight, of
37:05
course, Stavlow has been reinforced by the
37:08
Americans. There's a company of the 526
37:10
armored infantry battalion, which is one of
37:12
these, you know, so where you have
37:14
the US armored division, you have three
37:16
tank battalions and you have three armored
37:18
infantry battalions. And these are, these are
37:20
rather like the Pans of Grenandiers, they're
37:22
infantry in half tracks, with a bit
37:25
more kind of machine guns to call
37:27
upon, etc. And six powders, 57 millim
37:29
tank guns. So I think the initial
37:31
encounter where the lead path comes down.
37:33
and he's hit by a 57mm gun,
37:35
it's damaged, it's not too many damage
37:37
to pant the fires back and literally
37:39
runs over the gun. That's still typical
37:41
friction, it's the typical friction that the
37:44
Germans are encountering, but that's not supposed
37:46
to have happened, that's not meant to
37:48
be going on. We talked in the,
37:50
you know, first or second episode, Hitler's
37:52
assuming that the Americans aren't going to
37:54
be able to rede because Eisenhower is
37:56
going to have to ask permission, which
37:58
that's not what's what's happened at all.
38:00
They've thrown everything at it. holding up
38:03
that panther even though not completely successfully
38:05
it's enough yeah and this is the
38:07
any delay is delay wrecks the whole
38:09
thing. And the town then turns into
38:11
sort of proper like the fighting in
38:13
Stavillow is this sort of, they're slugging
38:15
it out. It's not easy, it's not
38:17
simple, pipers being held up. And at
38:20
the same time, there is an enormous
38:22
fuel dump at Franca shop not far
38:24
away. 120,000! Very close to the spa
38:26
race. Yes, exactly, yes, because you're in
38:28
that neck of the woods. And the
38:30
hotel we stayed in in in Stavillow,
38:32
had lots of Grand Prix stuff, didn't
38:34
it. There's 124,000 gallons at Francaissezt that
38:36
they haven't, that they don't know about,
38:39
they don't know about, and then the
38:41
Americans set fire to it. I mean,
38:43
that's quite something, isn't it? Yeah, so
38:45
it's a hell of a lot, and
38:47
the Americans just set it on fire.
38:49
So, you know, that's that. They can
38:51
afford them to be, be taught. Anyway,
38:53
so there's these three bridges at Tuaupon,
38:55
one of the Amblev, two over the
38:58
river, two over the riversauvtev, over the
39:00
river Zalm, and, and you know, Stavlo
39:02
battle is still, battle is still fighting,
39:04
battle is still fighting. while the lead
39:06
panzers of Camp Group of Piper have
39:08
been head onto Trauban, Trauban, Trauban is
39:10
probably about three, four miles, three miles,
39:12
something like that, kind of further west
39:14
from Stavalo, and again it's a kind
39:17
of little winding road down the valley
39:19
that takes you there. All three bridges
39:21
have been prepared for demolitions, so there's
39:23
a 57mm gun, knocks out the lead
39:25
panzer at 1145am, so remember the start
39:27
of the Stavalo battles at 4am, so
39:29
it's quite a long time after. This
39:31
gun is quickly destroyed, but then one
39:34
of the wounded gunners escapes and manages
39:36
to warn his fellow engineers that the
39:38
juries are on their way. And then
39:40
all three bridges are blown, so that's
39:42
no good for Piper. So, and they
39:44
haven't got any bridging equipment because that's
39:46
miles behind. Well, Piper says those for
39:48
dumped engineers, you know, he's, he knows
39:50
that, that really is, he's done then,
39:53
isn't he? He's cooked. He's cut really
39:55
but he's still going on so he's
39:57
like okay well let's just push north
39:59
and see what happens if you go
40:01
north they then turn north but again
40:03
the path is blocked by mines lead
40:05
tank fires into them detonate some drives
40:07
on It's all a bit manic, isn't
40:09
it? It's all a bit frantic. The
40:12
main column is heading to La Glaze.
40:14
They've reached a village. Then a bridge
40:16
over the amblev is found at Chena,
40:18
which is a tidal village on a
40:20
sort of like, it's on a, it's
40:22
on a, it's on a bluff, isn't
40:24
it? It's got, you know, one side
40:26
of it, it's got a sort of
40:29
steep escarpment dropping down to Little Valley.
40:31
But then in the afternoon the weather
40:33
clears, the weather clears, and the weather
40:35
clears, and the column, and the column
40:37
is hit by fighter clears, and the
40:39
column is hit by fighter clears, by
40:41
fighter bombers, two, two, two, two, two,
40:43
two, two, several, several, several, several, several,
40:45
several, several, several, several, several, several, several,
40:48
several, several, several, several, several, several, several,
40:50
U.S. observation aircraft also spot the bulk
40:52
of K.G. pipe a column and obviously
40:54
report that back. By dusk, the road
40:56
is cleared, but fuel is now extremely
40:58
low. The column presses on to the
41:00
key town of Werbermoor, but as they
41:02
approach the river Lien, the lead tiger
41:04
too spots U.S. engineers marrying the bridge.
41:07
King Tiger fires first, scattering the engineers,
41:09
but one man rushes back to the
41:11
detonator and blows the bridge. So they're
41:13
still 26 miles shorter than hers. And
41:15
that route has now been blocked to
41:17
them as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So
41:19
it's all going pretty badly wrong at
41:21
this point. And meanwhile, of course, there
41:23
are these other SS Ross because south
41:26
of Piper's Camp Group and Hansen, under
41:28
Stern Van Fier and Max Hansen, their
41:30
main role is to provide flank protection
41:32
for KG Piper. Yeah. And then behind
41:34
them is Camphrupton and Knittle. Canittle is
41:36
one of the famous images of the
41:38
Battle of Bald, isn't he? There's a
41:40
photograph of him on his spin bargain.
41:43
Yes, with a cigar and the kind
41:45
of jaunty cap. Exactly. Yes, giving it
41:47
the jaunty cap bad guy. The Kaiser
41:49
Barak crossroads, which is now an enlightened
41:51
industrial estate. Yes, exactly. It's one of
41:53
those opportunities to visit the battlefield that
41:55
has changed completely. Camp Cooper Hansen, they
41:57
also have blood on their hands. On
41:59
the 17th of December, they pick up
42:02
11. black soldiers from the 333rd Field
42:04
Artillery Battalion. Most of these guys have
42:06
been captured, but 11 escape and are
42:08
hiding in the village. Hansen's men catch
42:10
them, lead them out, made them run
42:12
ahead of the... Schfinvagen and then they'd
42:14
start to run them down, they're baying
42:16
at them and beat all 11 of
42:18
these men to death. found over a
42:21
month later. This is the fingerprint of
42:23
these campcropper is that they're murdering prisoners
42:25
and I know what you said earlier
42:27
Jim but that just the element of
42:29
cruelty of chasing them down. Yeah that
42:31
starts completely vindictive. The sense you get
42:33
from that is they've captured and they've
42:35
released them well not released but they're
42:38
saying okay we'll march down the road
42:40
and then they just sort of chase
42:42
them and knock them over into their
42:44
hedge it's sort of like sports almost.
42:46
Yeah brutal violent racist sport. Then you've
42:48
got the 14th cavalry cavalry cavalry group
42:50
which you've Those of you who are
42:52
listening to the earlier episodes will remember
42:54
was the small reconnaissance group that's in
42:57
the Lohsheim Gap. They've pulled back to
42:59
a little place called Potho, a tiny
43:01
village. But the 106th division is obviously
43:03
needing reinforcement. So part of this is
43:05
the seventh armor division is pushing forward.
43:07
And you've got elements of the 18th
43:09
cavalry, troop C of the 32nd cavalry
43:11
and a platoon of towed guns from
43:13
the 820 of tank destroyer. So he's
43:16
a towed tank destroyers rather than tracked
43:18
tank tank tank destroyers. All in task
43:20
force made. under Major J.L. Mays. And
43:22
they are moving kind of eastwards and
43:24
they come round a corner just a
43:26
little bit to the east of Potto
43:28
and they run straight into the spearhead
43:30
of Camp Group and Hansen and the
43:32
lead tank and Armacara set on fire
43:35
and they block the road. Task Force
43:37
Mays pasty pulls back towards the crossroads
43:39
at Potto. But this is where that
43:41
famous footage... of mean-looking Waffin SS types.
43:43
Smoking American cigarettes. Burning vehicles. It was
43:45
later captured by the Americans in turn.
43:47
But that's where those still photographs and
43:49
the film photographs come from of that.
43:52
But actually Hansen is then pulled back
43:54
out of that and it's left to
43:56
the ninth SS to continue that particular
43:58
battle. And that's really in a way
44:00
an extension of the Sambit battle which
44:02
we'll talk about in the next episode.
44:04
But while all this is going on,
44:06
you know the bottom line is resistance
44:08
is stiffening. A battalion of the U.
44:11
30th Infantry Division has reached Davalo and
44:13
is attacking and retaking the town. So
44:15
Piper had been expecting the third Fauchramiega
44:17
division to mop up behind and secure
44:19
the thrust, but he just hadn't got
44:21
there. Yeah, they haven't shown up. So
44:23
what's happened is he's got his spearhead
44:25
and it's been cut off. He's now
44:27
isolated. By the morning of the 19th
44:30
of December, Stavolo is entirely back in
44:32
US hands, and Camp Groupa Piper is
44:34
completely cut off. So the whole thing
44:36
is beginning to unravel. And you can
44:38
see that Piper's getting really really frantic.
44:40
He tries a different route from La
44:42
Glaze. He goes to the little town
44:44
of Stoumont. That 19th of December, troops
44:47
of the 119th Infantry Regiment, part of
44:49
the 30th Division, also reached Stoumont. So
44:51
the whole of the division is sort
44:53
of basically coming down from the north
44:55
to kind of intercept. And so with
44:57
every passing hour, a camp group of
44:59
Piper is just hitting more and more.
45:01
resistance and opposition and he's now only
45:03
got 19 Panthers six pans of fours
45:06
and six-king Tigers which is you know
45:08
what's that 31 tanks out of a
45:10
hundred and seventy yeah 86 tanks knocked
45:12
out conked out bogged down or out
45:14
of fuel he's no longer a combat
45:16
effective no but but you know you're
45:18
extremely motivated SS guy full of speed
45:20
sort of him and women's speed yeah
45:22
what you know but you know all
45:25
the time more reinforcements on the way
45:27
so they're coming up now against a
45:29
the 743rd tank battalion, the 740th tank
45:31
battalion. You know, it's amazing, the 740
45:33
of his hurry there is only just
45:35
arrived in Belgium, but they take some
45:37
British Sherman's, you know, the British hand
45:39
over their Sherman's that they've got, some
45:41
DD's plus a couple of Jacksons, which
45:44
is these M36, 90mm tank destroyers. And
45:46
they hurry towards Stoumon. Americans counter-attacked towards
45:48
Stoumon railway railway railway station in fog
45:50
that afternoon of the 19th. Fierce fighting
45:52
fighting. This is mainly around some Edward
45:54
sanatorium rest of the of the town
45:56
which is still there. 260 locals hiding
45:58
in the cell is I mean it's
46:01
all desperate stuff. The M46 Jackson knocks
46:03
out a panther which was blocking the
46:05
road. Two further Panthers destroyed the fighting
46:07
and Piper just caught... get beyond Tarnion.
46:09
Fuel is an ongoing issue. He's worried
46:11
about his rear being too stretched out
46:13
so he just holds. I mean he's
46:15
just he's gone 50 miles but he
46:17
needs to go 80 in total to
46:20
reach the merge so he's just not
46:22
getting anywhere. The rest of the road
46:24
west of the road west of Stoumon
46:26
is the furthest they're going to get.
46:28
The rest of the road west of
46:30
Stoumon is the furthest they're going to
46:32
get. They've been blocked at his problems.
46:34
He's being a tritted at a wild
46:36
rate. He's running out of fuel. He's
46:39
running out of fuel. it's disconnected from
46:41
the rest of his tray. Let's say
46:43
he's got, you know, he's got to
46:45
go another 30 miles against the most.
46:47
Let's say he gets there with his
46:49
two Panthers and his shrimp bargain. At
46:51
the rate he's going to end up
46:53
with, what's he going to do? And
46:55
then what? And then what? Exactly. It's
46:58
absolutely nonsense. But meanwhile, not only is
47:00
the 30th infantry arrived and various tank
47:02
battalions, so too. Has General Gavin? Yes,
47:04
here to redeem himself. Oh, thank goodness.
47:06
He can't have a series about Gavin
47:08
coming into it. Anyway, he's got his,
47:10
he's got his CP at Warburmall and
47:12
he's sent forward, you know, those great
47:15
lads, the five hundred and four parachute
47:17
imagery regiment. You know, these are the
47:19
originals. They're the kind of hardest meanest
47:21
toughest. They've been there in North Africa,
47:23
they've been there at Salerno, Anzio. They've
47:25
been there at Market Garden, they've crossed
47:27
the river while, you know, they're absolute
47:29
legends, and they end up having this
47:31
massive fight at Sheno, which was the
47:34
one bridge that was still intact on
47:36
the 20th and the 21st, and this
47:38
is written up in those devils in
47:40
baggy pants by Ross Carter, that absolutely
47:42
brilliant book. And I just can't recommend
47:44
that enough, it's fantastic. Shall we do
47:46
the Ross Carter quote? Why not? Our
47:48
men strung out unevenly through the wires.
47:50
had nearly reached midfield and were beginning
47:53
to climb another fence when it happened.
47:55
Suddenly thousands of traceablets, uncannily but beautiful
47:57
despite their lethal purpose, arched and criss-crossed
47:59
above us. Their flickering flames turned the
48:01
night in the day and men in
48:03
the targets. The air was filled with
48:05
the yellow glow of hissing 20mm
48:07
cannon shells, the spotter of machine
48:10
guns, and the roar of exploding
48:12
mortar shells dumped on our comrades
48:14
just behind us. Pretty vivid, we were
48:16
there weren't we standing on that field
48:18
just beneath Shinner? Well you look up
48:20
that bluff there you think well no
48:23
one's going up there in a hurry.
48:25
Well it's interesting because he's coming up
48:27
against some Pansa Grenadiers and against a
48:30
Luftwaffe Light Flack unit which has got
48:32
these half tracks with canons on them.
48:34
Incredibly effective anti-personnel weapon. Oh yeah. Absolutely.
48:37
By this point, you know, so while
48:39
the battle is going on for Shennow
48:41
on the 20th and 21st of December,
48:44
Camp Group of Kneittle is told to
48:46
reinforce Stavalo, as is Hansen the following
48:48
down the 21st of December, but by
48:50
this point, you know, it's over. Yeah,
48:52
they can do nothing. They're, you know,
48:54
they're against a town which is now
48:56
very kind of fiercely held. And
48:58
by the end of the 21st,
49:00
you know, you know, Piper's stuck.
49:02
basically at La Glaze. He's completely
49:04
surrounded. He's got the 82nd airborne
49:07
in front of him. He's got
49:09
the 30th infantry division plus sundry
49:11
tank units behind him. There's no
49:13
way out. On the 22nd of
49:15
December, Piper's only got 1,500 troops
49:17
left. Two-thirds have gone. And 13 pamphers,
49:19
six pans of fours and six king
49:21
tigers. I mean, in a way, there
49:23
is... He's down at 25 tanks. But
49:25
there's fighting all day in the America that's
49:27
pressing him, but in a way they don't
49:29
need to do anything now. They've contained him.
49:32
As long as you hold him there, you
49:34
can shell him or starve him out. It's
49:36
over the battle of the bulge is seen
49:38
as principally the siege at Bastoyne. The hundred
49:40
and first are surrounded with it with support,
49:42
you know, in the popular imagination. If
49:44
it's seen as anything, right? Yeah,
49:47
here we have at the
49:49
same time. the reverse situation
49:51
for the Germans and they've
49:53
completely got themselves in this
49:55
mess. No one to blame
49:57
but themselves for this. It's
49:59
quite extraordinary. December is just them at
50:01
La Glaze being pounded all day. I mean
50:03
there's one single long term. 150, it's going
50:05
to be a long time. 200 rounds. It
50:07
just absolutely hammers it. And you know we
50:09
were up there in La Glaze where that
50:11
King Tiger is in the kind of town
50:13
square and this is a place of narrow
50:15
roads and winding streets and you know it's
50:17
no place for heavy armour at all is
50:19
it? I mean it just just really isn't.
50:21
Two PM. Piper finally faces the music doesn't
50:23
the music doesn't two o'amper for permission to
50:25
break out that night. and there's 800 guys
50:28
still fit enough to do it. They leave
50:30
the wounded behind, they disable their vehicles and
50:32
they melt away into the night. Yeah, at
50:34
2am on the 24th on Christmas Eve, they
50:36
walk, they have to walk through the night
50:38
about 20 kilometers, well it's like 12 miles
50:40
to safety to reach German lines, which they
50:42
do on... Christmas Day and 770 make it.
50:44
That's all that's left, Piper included. And on
50:46
the 25th of December, Christmas Day, Camp Group
50:48
of Conittle is finally pulled out and that's
50:50
the last troops pulled back from the Stavlow
50:52
area. So by Christmas, the whole area is
50:54
back in US hands. So by Christmas day,
50:56
the whole Six Pansar Army Frost, the main
50:58
one, has totally failed. But of course, there
51:00
is plenty more going on for the South.
51:03
where Fifth Pansar army are causing major consternation
51:05
amongst the allies, and of course a change
51:07
of command, and we'll be looking at that
51:09
epic, the defence of San Vit, in the
51:11
next episode. But what this is, is, you
51:13
know, and I think what's interesting is you
51:15
inevitably end up telling this, is the story
51:17
of Camp Crippa Piper and centering them. But
51:19
what this actually is, is the story of
51:21
incredible American improvisation, reaction, all hands to the
51:23
pump, you know, those engineers blowing those bridges,
51:25
defending those bridges, hanging on the guy, the
51:27
single guy crawling back and blowing that bridge.
51:29
Piper's trying to do this on will alone.
51:31
And what he's coming up against is American
51:33
grit. And that the grit is grinding the
51:35
will down as it were. Yeah, that's absolutely
51:37
spot on. Spot on. Right. Well, thanks
51:40
for listening, everyone. We'll
51:42
be back with with the Southern
51:44
Thrust, you know, know, we we
51:46
may even end up
51:48
talking about at some
51:50
point. I don't know, I
51:52
know, know. Some have actually avoided
51:54
should far. it so far.
51:56
to forward to that
51:58
in episode 7. These episodes, episodes,
52:00
of course, are all
52:02
together officer our We have Ways
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Channel. You can join You can
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join the Ways You
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52:15
been talking about exciting,
52:17
and it's all very
52:19
exciting, actually. What's coming
52:21
together, isn't it, Jim? Jim.
52:23
you bet. bet. Yeah, you bet.
52:25
bet. bet. Okay, thanks for
52:27
listening, everyone. everyone. Cheerio and Chaucy
52:29
Chauce. Chauce Chauce.
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